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lol
I can't comprehend the bruhh-ness of both AM Porsche's crashing in the same spot
annnnd green again
aand red
what time does the race start tomorrow, 13:00 in Spa?
I wonder if it will be deleted for Text wall....
š
whats happening atm
Endurance pits is used by support series this weekend, which is Spanish F4
Yes I know that's ironic, Spanish F4 in Belgium, idk why
Grand Prix pits are larger and more luxurious i think so
FIA about to bonk someone for saying curse word >:(
i wish WEC would put more than the car number in the timing tower
like i know what the 47 is lmao
tell me what brand, and who is driving it please lmao
I know the Toyotas and Alpine numbers. That's it.
Ya boi Kamui about to carry the 8
Feck
It's Nakajima
shit shit shit Kamui is in the cursed #7 I forgot
š¬
I damn wished Kamui was in the 8 lol
Whooooo is driving the Racing Team Nederland?
god i hate how Gazoo's almost become a normal word for me
And welcome, to the first ever Hypercar competitive running
*the use of "competitive" is relative here
I am genuinely very excited for LMH but... it's not launching with a bang
Kobayashi 2:00.747
i am speed
Nakajima 2:01.266
he really said that
what motorsport caterogy is on now
Any way to watch?
Well Alpine is a LMP1 but they say it's a LMH 
it's like £4 for a month
the 7 has pitted?
and the 8!
the Alpine LMP1 hasn't come out yet
Alpine have pulled a blinder here
They turned a Rebellion LMP1 car into an Alpine LMH with no effort
And now that LMP1 LMH seems to not be qualifying
OH THERE IS THE ALPINE
WOO
Is there YouTube stream?
not afaik
It's basically almost done anyway
Ah
Lapierre 2:02.652
L M H ON POLE
an LMP2 car beat him holy shit
LMP2 just beat an LMP1 car dude
right the race starts at noon UK time tomorrow
13:00 local time
BASED LMP2
i ended up just paying
Which lmp2 was it
job van uitert
It was Van Der Garde
ooh yes
RTN based
yes
iirc probably next year
whats the D in the name
Daytona
Le Mans Daytona h
Because it'll run in both IMSA and WEC
(the h stands for h)
h
hybrid isnt it?
oh
but legitimately there is no official answer
just h
i think it's supposed to be both hypercar and hybrid
ok cool
which is why they won't give us a straight answer
LMDhh
h
A fucking LMP2 is faster than the other Hypercar.... we live in a society...
DPi as well...
Daytona Prototype i
Just an i
Spa WEC: Kobayashi gifts Toyota first Hypercar pole
In the #7 Toyota Kobayashi set a time of 2m00.747s in the first qualifying session of the World Endurance Championship's new Hypercar era, half a second quicker than teammate Kazuki Nakajima in the #8 sister car.
During a cold but dry qualifying session United Autosports' Filipe Albuquerque confirmed his rapid pace from testing by proving to be the class of the LMP2 field, claiming pole by six ...Keep reading
Actually, jk, the i means International 
The idea of the Super League sucked...but it did remind me of a championship of a similar name. It was called Superleague Formula...and it was one of the strangest motor racing series' ever created. Did it have some merit? How did it die? What has this got to do with football? Well, let's find out, shall we?
Merchandise
------------------------...
only today did I learn that this was actually a thing
Yeah they're gorgeous sounding bois tho... Not enough revs grrr
yeah I'm still shocked that they used V12 engines of all things
plus I love how the cars looked in it
they kinda look like modernized late 90s-early 2000s F1 cars
which were used in the final Champ Car season (2007)
ah yes the series that naturally jumped from football clubs to nations for its final year
:newspaper: | Sydney S5000: Golding dominates opener
WAIT THAT'S THIS WEEKEND!?
poggers motorsport
Hello from Jerez Of the Frontier
He still hold on to his bike from that point

bro what
The advantage the Hypercars enjoyed over LMP2s in qualifying for the Spa @FIAWEC opener does not mean they will always be faster on race pace, according to Toyota.
It believes the LMP2s could be quicker at periods depending on fuel and tyre life.
Story: https://t.co/4pwhqVvtaR
"We have no choice: we have Fuji in September."
The Le Mans 24 Hours will go ahead on its new date at the end of August, even if it is run behind closed doors for a second year in succession.
Story: https://t.co/n1RU5dVnvv
denso
Date for Le Mans 24 Hours won't change again, even without fans
Race organiser the Automobile Club de l'Ouest, also the promoter of the FIA World Endurance Championship of which Le Mans is the blue riband round, has stated that there are no plans to push back this year's from August 21/22 to ensure that spectators can be accommodated.
ACO president Pierre Fillon said: "Whatever happens Le Mans will not change [date], even if it is without spectators.
"We ...Keep reading
ACO are such snobs
We're racing again on the most demanding race track in the world! Join us for the second race of the Nürburgring Endurance Series on the Nordschleife. Around 150 race cars are going on a four-hour hunt for points and trophies.
In different classes, fast GT3 cars with around 500 hp, robust touring cars and identical cup cars fight for victory in...
Project 1 GTE Am team withdraws from WEC Spa after crashes
Project 1 lost its #46 Porsche 911 RSR-19 during the pre-season Prologue test after a crash for Anders Buchardt at Les Combes, which meant the entry he shares with Dennis Olsen and Axcil Jefferies is unable to race at the weekend.
The team's remaining car, the #56 Porsche 911 shared by Egidio Perfetti, Matteo Cairoli and Riccardo Pera, has also been withdrawn after a massive crash during ...Keep reading
Toyota: Hypercars won't always outpace LMP2s in race trim
Toyota technical boss Pascal Vasselon explained that the 1.6s margin between Kamui Kobayashi's pole position in the new Toyota GR010 Hybrid and Filipe Albuquerque's quickest time in LMP2 aboard the United Autosports Oreca 07 will disappear at times according to the fuel load and tyres the cars are running during Saturday's Spa 6 Hours.
"To be in front of the LMP2s we needed to be on low fuel; ...Keep reading
Deletraz to fill in for van der Zande at Inter Europol
Swiss driver Deletraz is also set to race for the Polish team in September Fuji's round, as van der Zande will be away on IMSA WeatherTech SportsCar Championship duty with Chip Ganassi Racing.
The Portimao WEC race on June 13 falls on the same weekend as IMSA's Detroit fixture, while the Fuji event on September 25-26 clashes with IMSA's rescheduled Long Beach round.
For those events ...Keep reading
Is motogp in Portugal rn?

no f1 is
Eurosport doesnāt have the live tag but it only says race
I thought motogp was 2 weeks ago
We're racing again on the most demanding race track in the world! Join us for the second race of the Nürburgring Endurance Series on the Nordschleife. Around 150 race cars are going on a four-hour hunt for points and trophies.
In different classes, fast GT3 cars with around 500 hp, robust touring cars and identical cup cars fight for victory in...
many car go arouind circuit
lets watch
soo many cars
There was even a car with some cans behind it doing a lap a bit ago
Probably was just married
Mfw embed fail
do the cans give extra downforce
what motorsport is going on
@dense wasp
about 10 mins time?
what's this?
this
A fucking 3 wide!!
its amazing to see the spacial awareness of the drivers in the lower classes
What a bad start to the day for that #86 porsche. I'd hate to be the one to bin it in warmup prior to the race
many
i think its around there somewhere
whats on?
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nice
Yeah thatās always painful
alrighty, formation lap. lets get this show going
6hr of spa starting?
Yeah, they're about done with the formation lap
I think it's simply hilarious that sean galael and stoffel vandoorne are teammates this weekend. I know they compete in Asian Le Mans together but it always feels like an odd combo, merc reserve driver and scrub pay driver
The fastest LMP2 car is faster through sector two than the toyotas
The extra weight of the hypercars really packs a punch
Here comes the Alpine
I will be surprised if that 777 Aston makes it to the end of this stint
Very twitchy around other cars
D'STATION is really interesting since they're from SuperGT
The slow motion shots of the cars going through eau rouge at the start of the race are breathtaking
is the WEC on rn?
yeah, 31 minutes in
Yes
1-2 toyota rn, big surprise
Well, they are the only hypercars
Really big... Imagine Alpine getting wrecked by United
Yeah it'll get more interesting when SCG enters later this year
I hope the SCG is as fast as it is beautiful
Alpine wins come from behind 
Alpine can come @ me about calling them a hypercar when theyāve got a big enough fuel tank
Alpine is lapping as fast as the toyotas rn, getting stuck behind the LMP2 car for so long really screwed em
It's going to be interesting to see le mans this year. I'm so used to the LMP1 cars driving circles around the rest of the field
Alpine with the ballast but still managing Op lap times
Tf is a texican
the hypercar class is 3 cars lmao
Texas Mexican
2*
Van doorne in the #28 LMP2 is lapping 1 sec slower than toyotas rn, he is f'n fast
The Alpine is an LMP1 car
alpine free class win
It's an LMP1 hiding to be a Hypercar
No, cuz theyāre running in hypercar
this shit hella confsuing
There is no longer an LMP1 class in WEC
So the Rebellion LMP1 car has become an Alpine Hypercar
Alpine rebranded Rebellion and used their old LMP1, FIA and ACO let them coz making a new car is 
While almost nothing has changed
And toyota's hypercar is like 90% similar to the LMP1 but it's like 200kg heavier and a 300hp down
The only thing they did to Alpine was add a fuck ton of weight ballast and minimize their fuel cell, which isn't even small at all
yeah it's not like the toyota is a brand new car either
It technically is, just the concept that's the same
I'd love to see a road version of the toyota hypercar
wec
LMDh is going to be so good, combining LMP2 and DPi and running it everywhere
Well aren't they already doing it? The GR Supersport?
Also h
hypercars look so bad lmao
the magnussens are in it right?
47 spin again
anyways motogp q1 started
motogp is only shown on tape delay in the US without a vpn fml
Can you let me know when Moto GP quali ends so I can take it out of the channel description? @waxen forge
Woah that was fortunate
Couldāve collected someone or hit the wall
lmp2 moment
fucking amateur hour
oof
Bloody P2s
Ben Keating is the pay driver texan that owns a bunch of car dealerships lmao
montoya oof
so stupid
okay
only motogp or including moto2 quali as well?
YIKES
that hiccup didn't even result in a lead change
marc marquez out of q1
98 drive through
Leader change
I'm so curious to see what is displayed on the LCD screen at the end of the fuel hose
probably a time
Car 21 stop go causing a collision
link?
Thanks Galeal
Oof
god damnit i hate hypercar so much
at least alpine is guaranteed a podium today
you're right lmao
Itās pretty unlikely, but itās genuinely not impossible for them to get beat by a P2
It's problematic if it takes a half hour for a hypercar to pass an LMP2
Good
what motorsport are we chatting?
see the channel description
idc motogp quali will end soon
is MotoE classified as #osļ½ev-motorsports?
Yes but actually no
These are confusing times
MotoE is part of the current MotoGP support series but it's an EV motorsport
tbh i dont really see the point of EV motorsports either
but i guess it makes sense if it's to try and prevent saturation of all other series ending up in a single channel
quartararo is on provisional pole
lmao i love how LCR doing better than repsol honda
row 1 fabio franky and jack
fabio pole
Hard to tell who'll get Pole atm
Bloody hell these P2s man
Wow, my stream is so far behind then... 
montoya is driving angry
Jesus
oof been there
The P2s are worse IRL than they are in iracing
they're gonna kill someone if they keep this bullshit up
The hypercars do feel a bit⦠chunky
I wonder if LCR could even at least get a podium this season, given that Honda put all their hopes on Marquez outriding the hell out of the RC213V
Imagine moving from LMP2 to the Top Class but get fucked by BoP and Ballast and still have the same pace as your old LMP2 predecessor 
Anyone watching euroformula?
hourly reminder that i hate hypercar with a passion
If someone is asking how they can watch F1 in an F1 channel, yes
Iām just disappointed with Hypercar rn
Guys what are u watching?
I feel like it can be good, but it isnāt
right now it's just LMP1H with extra steps
TLPU and I are watching WEC, others are watching MotoGP
at least the alpine isn't a million miles away
moto2 quali later later
but this channel is a broad church, if itās motorsports, feel free
at this point i'm just fully behind LMDh
Is GP quali over?
Yeah month by month Iām getting more excited by LMDh
Just gonna say, Euroformula can be in #feeder-series coz Euroformula is F4
Kenshi, are you not a helper by choice btw?
Sorry, force of habit
I'd like, but I'm a bit douchey at times
Youād make a great helper
I feel like Dh is a more better path for the Top Class of Endurance Racing coz it's way cheaper and more affordable for many manufacturers
68 degrees lean angle save from franky š³
LMH has 2 legit entrants and 2 wack jokes atm
And means IMSA will be another path to Le Mans
didn't realise they were working on a Death Race reboot 
When will Bykolles return
Next year?
oof
The only 2021 Hypercar left to launch is the SCG
I canāt believe they missed Spa
SCG is like the worst PR stunt I could imagine
I'm excited but worried for SCG
SCG's PR is like Rich Energy but less ambitious
Hypercar is only going to hit its stride when Ferrari join
Which is supposedly 23 assuming they donāt pull out or push it back
Peugeot next year tho.. and Ferrari debut in 2023 would be 
Yeah exactly, three manufacturers is a proper competition
Watching Peugeot finish behind Toyota every race next year will be pretty dull
Yes
LMDh is basically meant to replace LMP2 and DPi
WEC AND IMSA
So itāll run in WEC and IMSA
which is just a complete no-brainer
Hence, Le Mans, Daytona, h
h
I find it hilarious they wonāt just say it means hybrid
Itās officially just h
Are non hybrids allowed in LMDH?
I donāt believe so
moto2 quali started
Acura/Honda, Audi, and Porsche have all already confirmed LMDh programmes
that's another thing i dont like about hypercar
it's potentially splitting the entries
i'd much rather see everyone aligned to hypercar, or everyone aligned to LMDpiH
cmon hafizh š²š¾ 
it's weck
I say WECK but I'm a dumb american so
I'm used to the initials but I sometimes say wheck as well
I pronounce it WEC because saying the letters is far too many syllables and Iām lazy
plus consider the pronunciation of IMSA
Like whack?
you don't pronounce the individual letters there
Like pac man but
imm zah has a ring to it
sam lowes in q2
WEC
this is q1
yep, that's how it should be said
same with weck
if you pronounce the letters then you're a tryhard
Itās not Iām Sa?
Oh who synced the bloody perms?
eemsa
This one really doesnāt need to be as locked down as the F1 live chats do
effwan
I thought it's mmmhhh-sa
that sounds strangely sexual
nope
well
because you can like... pronounce different things differently
in casual conversation, lots of people pronounce MSUK as em-suck
i say weck
or alternatively, "those fucking bastards"
ALPINE IN P1
pls let this happen againš
Alpine cannot win
AHAHAHA
idk I just thought it sounds good
if LMH loses to a second hand privateer LMP1...
good
i did attempted to add a 
let everyone know what a shambles carcar is
Motorsport.tv is the official broadcaster worldwide is it?
That car won races in 2020
aaa stop talking about hypercar being good
suzuki having a satellite team soon?
Hypercar will be good, they'll make sure of that
if it was such an attractive class then why are we seeing two toyotas and a rebellion picked up from the LMP1 scrap heap?
yari montella down
Because of the year it launched @hearty anchor
because of covid? we could see it was starting to be on the rocks before that anyway
Toyota garage do be vibing
yeah but it didn't exactly help
LMH is definitely going to be a ramp up
personally, I'd like to see LMH and LMDh be broadly comparable, I don't see a problem with that
perhaps but i also just can't see it being worthwhile
but I know they'll hate it
outside of peugeot, glicc and ferrari, who else would reasonably consider hypercar in the near future?
and like i said earlier, part of my complaint is that lmdh/hypercar could just end up stealing manufacturers from one another
if Alpine choose to actually build one
hafizh 14th
But yeah, why would you pick LMH over LMDh
which would be a problem if there isn't reasonable convergence in performance
when you can't race LMH in IMSA
it does sorta feel like LMDh is the class LMH was supposed to be
well at least it's an improvement
if they were one class, it'd be so much better
Just gonna reply to my old msg
ferrari 
BUT... ^ that's short a lot of names honestly
I imagine a lot of current DPi manus would be willing to move over to LMDh
seb to WEC after f1? 
2023 
Cadillac, Nissan, Mazda all on the possible list for sure
and it being LMDh means privateers are most definitely possible
I doubt Alpine would be back for mext year, Grandfathered LMP1's will only last this season
Yeah, 2023 looks like the first proper year for both LMH and LMDh
i'd be surprised if anyone dropped out
if the changeover cost isn't massive, who would turn down that opportunity?
especially if it opens up the ability to run in europe
Yeah exactly
it's just DPi but with the added bonus of Le Mans
if you're already racing that
I'm gonna go apeshit if Mazda announces LMDh entry... sad they'll be leaving in the end of this year
Tractor racing is bacc!!
Imagine Porsche and Audi having the same front end design for their LMDh cars in 2023 
I think it's a pitstop behind
thanks!
I could be wrong though
Definitely was a stop behind
GR still leading?
yeah
Yep
I thought you were talking bout f1 but I just saw WEC on tv with alpine cars too lmao
Yeah theyāre much more likely to win here š¤£
god the porsche 911 rsr sounds amazing
wasnt it last autumn, i forgot which race when kobi blew up a turbo and they changed it within like 20 minutes?
oh shit, f1 quali is about to start
yessir
Talk about lucky man
Whatās an F1?
its an inferior GP2
WEC, F1, indycar and motogp. This weekend is good to be a motorsports fan šÆ
Yes
What series is this
WEC
Ah
for future reference, it's in the channel description
Oh
Frijns/Habsburg car in the garage
Alpine P1 again
what's the FCY for?
Theyre P2 and made a stop under fcy
i can see that
50/50
Oof
8 & 22 5s pitstop penalty
This got me thinking
There is genuinely only 1 true Hypercar in WEC rn
yep
Alpine might come with something
but nothing from them yet
it's just weird for ACO either way
If Toyota wins, boring
If Alpine wins, facepalm at Hypercar regs
I think they have a significantly reduced fuel capacity
f
Fuck
that was weird
atleast he's getting pulled out
he overshot either pouhon or malmedy i couldn't quite tell
but that is their challenge for victory over
Please don't celebrate crashes
alpine laps him
It's not acceptable here, just as it isn't in F1 chats
the kerbs are wet
/slippery
so he locked up on one of em
and into the barrier
ic, thanks
better to keep going on crap tyres than add a pit stop
Hypercar vs LMP2
good call as well, that FCY would've ended while he was stopped too
good shit
6 hrs spa?
yes
ight ty
for what
contact with another car
smh
but this is why you run Spa
This kind of practice for both the drivers, and the cars
someone like SCG just won't have
imagine a drive through with the whole spa pitlane
they're only using the grand prix pits today though
i never race in spa because of that pitlane
what are yall watchin
wec 6h spa
Ouch
Big bonk for the Alpine
Toyota is 37 seconds behind the Alpine
Alpine has a splash and dash to do
That was a fucking shit move
What the hell
Couldāve caused a massive accident
Iāve only ever done one multi class race at Spa
But approaching lower class cars at Eau Rouge was my biggest fear every lap
Sim racing?
Yeah
Shouldāve specified I guess lol
Welp
That solves that then
Alpine puncture
āPuncture!ā - grosjeanās voice
Driver is ok
fucking hell
that was violent
i was about to say "thats not the track"
then they started to fly
is it just me or does it look like the car started to accelerate while off track
#7 stopped
#7 Toyota stopped at Le Combes
Hmm
LESGO
WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE #7 WITH BAD LUCK
wtf it's former f1 driver brendon hartley
And former F1 driver Kamui Kobayashi
And former f1 driver Sebastian Buemi
Car 38 two licence points removed for dangerous driving?
the #36 nearly got shunted
Lmao they penalised the wrong cat
andrƩ big black in p2 pog

is that with FERNANDO ALONSO
the #7 in third
he hasn't been at le mans for 2 years now
it's buemo kobayashi and hartley
ik i was doin a goof
Toyota wins in Hypercar
the #92 porsche (estre and jani) wins gte pro
alpeen
Alpine's second hand LMP1 car comes second in Hypercar
Which is complete fucking bullshit
Alpine P2
the #83 wins gte am
Ayy
Why
although they will probably nerf the alpine for le mans
Wait
They did already nerf it
Is the Alpeen not a hypercar?
But if they nerf it anymore it'll be slower than the P2s
no
no it's literally a pre-owned Oreca
Itās a nerfed LMP1
it's a grandfathered rebellion r13
it's Rebellion's old LMP1 car
dn should have won smh
bruh
from 2018
It isn't a hypercar
I like the LMP1
Threres only 1 team that had it working rn
Feel like shit just want LMP1 and Rebellion Racing back
Remember LMP1 in 2015
yeah i know, LMH got incredibly unlucky with its launch year
Golden years
can glickenhaus make it in time for portimão
And this year will be like last year, but slightly more bullshit
Still want AUDI
yeah it's coming in 2023
alongside the other LMDh cars
yes
gg toyota dn should have won tho
huh
Hypercar, GTE Pro, GTE Am
what about LMP2
^
I'd assumed they'd be running
LMH to replace LMP1
LMDh to replace LMP2
Because LMDh is a replacement for LMP2
god the info on this is so lacking
everybody goes crazy
group c happened
how do they launch a whole new era with so little information about it
and it was kinda eh
yeah but that was in like the 1700s
this is 2021
they won't even tell us what the h stands for!
they do but you have to BOP them
ye
cost cap of $100
if you're closer to $1500... 24h Lemons
honestly it's not shocking that alpine are doing good
they're driving the fastest car
the rebellion last year won some races because of BOP
it's just been BOPed down
sad
boop
if you have a $100 cost cap then the no rules series would work
@foggy fulcrum LMDh & Hypercar will be called hypercar in WEC
I dont think LMP2 is going away
Spa WEC: Toyota grinds out win on Hypercar debut
Toyota started its first-ever race with the all-new GR010 Hybrid on the front foot by qualifying both cars on the front row, but its narrow pace advantage over the #36 Alpine A480-Gibson meant the Japanese giant needed a relatively smooth race to secure victory.
That didn't happen however, with polesitter Kamui Kobayashi throwing away the lead in the second half of the race by going off the ...Keep reading
From what I've gathered, LMP2 is staying as the 2nd tier class
Hypercar & LMDh replaces LMP1 & DPi but they'll be able to race in WEC & IMSA
that's fucked up
so LMH is basically dead then?
why would anyone run LMH?
So before in my mind, you'd build LMH because you wanted the overall win at Le Mans
that was the concern during all the LMDh talk
but if you can take the overall wins at Sebring, Daytona and Le Mans in the same car
why tf would you build an LMH??
This is partially why aston backed out
yeah which is why it's the perfect replacement to DPi and LMP2
but they're not doing that
idiots
Gonna be honest Hypercar will still probably be faster
LMDh will probably be as quick as Privateer Hypercars
idk why they wouldn't just make it its own class then
and kill off LMP2
or run them together for a couple years and then kill them
LMP2 is still a lot cheaper than hypercar/lmdh
The aim of Hypercar/Lmdh merger was to make more top manufacturers join endurance racing and the prospect of LMDh being able to run in WEC & IMSA was a selling point
so what's LMH for
To me, it seems like they had a brilliant idea
the Le Mans Hypercar
LMH is Free reign vs LMDh being a spec series
And have just randomly also got DPi 2, which is not a hypercar
LMDh will be considered hypercar in WEC
Effectively LMH has killed LMP1, and LMDh is just the new name for DPi evo, which is an LMP2 evo, so there's four types of car at Le Mans
LMH
LMDh
LMP2
GTE
and of these, two of them are wank and one of them is pointless?
So LMH isn't going to attract anyone, it's just LMP1 but slower
And LMDh which should kill LMP2 just isn't for some reason
LMH & LMDh will be run as one spec
Point of all this was to get more manufacturers to join "next gen LMP1"
Run as one class, yes
but... they aren't
Means being the fastest last gen LMDh car is worth more than being the fastest LMDh car š¤£
That's so backwards
wdym
why not?
LMDh cars are not hypercars, they're fancy DPis, which are just LMP2s
LMDh is just LMP2 Evo
So it should be replacing LMP2
LMP2 its still the cheapest LMP category
LMDh will be close to hypercar
Still a noticeable gap tho
by 1 or 2 laps
in a 6h race
I dont get the issue here
more teams is better
I don't know what would be wrong with having LMDh be a different class though?
if they win overall, so what
GT3 COTA anyone?
Less attractive
How is it?
It's cheaper and you can run IMSA too
LMDh will be LMDh no matter if it's the "top class in WEC" or whatever
Especially if they can totally win
It was a joint thing between WEC & IMSA
But it isn't
It's IMSA regs that WEC has just randomly adopted
Shoehorned in
It isn't the dream of a cross series hypercar at all
it's a slightly fancier LMP2 car that they're pretending is a hypercar
Whats the issue with pretending if its just as fast
Because it's not a hypercar
What's the point in pretending if it's just as fast
Just call it what it is
LMDh
Extreme E? that'd be in #osļ½ev-motorsports mate
ehm ehm
Money

I don't see what's wrong with just having two classes fight for the win??
They're clearly not the same
So why pretend they are?
As in body wise?
in everything
LMDh is not LMH
LMH are the Hypercar regs
LMDh are DPi 2.0 regs that they've slapped that label on
LMDh are prototypes, they're just LMDPi
Hypercar wasnt attracting enough manufacturers
I can see why š¤£
But you don't fix that by making pretending LMDPi is the same thing
What would you suggest then
And that kills all hype from the manufacturers
LMH, LMDh, GTE Pro, GTE Am
lmao why
just say they're both top class
again... you do not have to slow them down
There is nothing wrong with having a "second class" car win
It means absolutely everything to the manufacturers
Only if they're not paying attention
To the public perception of the brand
The way I see it, running LMDh as Hypercar just kills LMH
So why bother with LMH?
LMH will have no interest
and LMDh will look unpure
LMH was doomed from the beginning
They both are though
this is what i'm saying
they set out to make "Hypercar"
and both classes they're saying are "Hypercar" are screwing each other over
LMDh is akin to Formula E in terms of manufacturer interest
Audi is pulling out of FE because of LMDh
There's no point having two
plus both will have similar performance
LMH is road based, specifically designed, manufacturer built cars, they're actual Hypercars
LMDh is just the prototypes that LMH was designed to replace š¤£
Neither fits the goals both were designed for
The way I see it, its like making an F1 car and limiting it to F2 speeds but since F2 is cheaper more people will join
it's the other way round though
it's like having F2 cars and F1 cars, and capping the F2 cars so they're slow enough to compete with the F1 cars
If it were like you were saying, it'd make sense
That's how I thought they were doing it
LMDh second class in WEC
replacing the cars they're directly based on
The other customer chassis prototypes, the LMP2s (and DPi in IMSA)
With LMH replacing the LMP1 cars
Doesn't that make way more sense?
merging two sets of popular regs in two series into one?
hmmm whats wrong here-....
instead of doing that, killing another, and bringing in an equally unpopular one, and pretending that's all the same except LMP2s
he hates that they arent killing LMP2 idk
i don't hate anything about this
I'm just fucking confused
They seem to have had a brilliant idea
and yet have so royally fucked it up that it's going to screw over the great idea
what is dat and wht is lmp1 and lmh and wec what are they 
World Endurance Championship
ohhh
which is to get an example for lmh lets take f2?
Nah LMH is F1
Hypercar was a failed set of regulations as in they werent many takers, they decided to merge with DPi 2.0 so that more people would join
but they didn't merge it
they're just running both
LMP2, DPi, and LMDh are all customer chassis series based on LMP2
i dont get them š

So there's four manufacturers
k
DPi is the version ran in IMSA, the US based endurance championship
okay
DPi has road car manufacturer engines, and slightly different body work
ok..
LMDh is fundamentally, DPi 2.0
except LMDh will also run in WEC, in the same class as LMH
@foggy fulcrum this is the reason why
so u want to get to which point to cancel lmhd?
LMH Le Mans Hypercar
LMDh Le Mans Daytona h
DPi Daytona Prototype international
LMP Le Mans Prototype 1/2
No, I think what they're doing with LMDh is great
so whats the point of this negotiation
It's a car that can be ran in both IMSA and WEC, and allows for both more manufacturer interest and privateer interest
this helped me alot btw
What I don't understand is, why in WEC, they're running both LMH and LMDh
maybe as same as the f1 running f1 and f2 i guess?
no, because it's more like making the F2 cars faster
and running them in the same race
thats no reason to do
It's like if in F1 you had both custom F1 cars, and spec customer F2 based F1 cars
that looked nothing like them
and then also while you're at it, you're also still running F2 cars
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#WEC #LeMans24
and f1 and also f2 at the same time
maybe to get more money or profits or something
it's like you have the F1 cars, F2 cars made to be as fast as F1 cars, and F2 cars, and then also GT cars
Neither LMH or LMDh achieve the goals they set out to achieve
will this help me to get in to the talk more?
But think about it, it effectively means AUDI, Porsche, Ferrari returns to Le Mans to have the change at getting an overall win
They were def not returning with Hypercar regs
Custom road-car inspired top class cars made by manufacturers -> LMH but not LMDh
Works in both IMSA and WEC -> LMDh but not LMH
Cheap enough to attract more manufacturers (a key issue in the late days of LMP1) -> LMDh but not LMH
LMDh is great, but it's just not hypercar
and LMH is hypercar but it's wank
ill brb and see the vid then come back here
so what is it?
it's a prototype
There's also LMP3 which... Heh is slower then some of the GT cars
But that's IMSA, European Le Mans Cup, Le Mans Series...
Not WEC
Yeah i was only really counting the WEC relevent ones
it's in the junior le mans series isn't it?
ah yes it is
Yep
Yeah, it's basically DPi 2.0 but we'll pretend it's a hypercar so you don't ignore us
That or WEC dies


