monaco-gp

[azure heath]

The fact he knows the meme lol

Ain't Aston getting Honda next year?

Also I expect for Redbull to be like 5th or even 6th next year with the Ford pu (unless they cook, which I doubt)

[warped saffron]

didnt lewis also crash out post race?

https://tenor.com/view/france-has-fallen-ferrari-has-fallen-ferrari-f1-ferrari-funny-ferrari-gif-16061783311813112527

the man who hit that pole is bryan bozi

bozzi*

[quick lark]

He didn't

I just said it was a terrible weekend

[lofty blade]

bro

i’ll be on vacation then

i’ll literally

drive to spain as soon as the race is on

💔

[icy marlin]

this made me kinda laugh😭

[halcyon kraken]

What did Charles crash out over?

[queen orbit]

hungary floor downgrades

every team besides mclaren is genuinely struggling so much

[sudden bough]

ferrari are the only team who can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory

[hushed olive]

So proud of Antonelli bro, one of the best rookies since max

[broken iris]

Charles Leclerc! LECLERC!!! LECRER- cough cough

[acoustic crown]

Lawson beat max that race btw

Massive max L

[acoustic crown]

Why are we one.... Nice unofficial radio

[warped saffron]

lmao

[warped saffron]

yuck

hadjar and bortoleto better in weaker cars

also kimi crumples under pressure easily

[fallow dragon]

are f1 races held once every month? (im trying to get into f1)

[warped saffron]

seen at spain

[warped saffron]

nah

sometimes its consecutive

[fallow dragon]

in the pins the next race is in a month???

[warped saffron]

theres ususally a one month break after round 12 marking the halfway point

[clever wedge]

summer break rn

so unlucky timing

[fallow dragon]

oooooh

but that means i can catch up 👍🏻

[warped saffron]

no, sometimes races like italy and monaco are 1 week apart only.

it depends on the timezones to account for jetlag,

[fallow dragon]

where do i start watching f1?

[warped saffron]

https://f1tv.formula1.com

theres other websites too

like

https://fancode.com

or you can check with your national broadcaster to find an f1 channel

like sky sports

[broken iris]

I would post a link here but Im afraid the server would get sniped

[hearty oak]

i hate ferrari

[fallow dragon]

the last race was hungary grand prix?

[hearty oak]

yess

[hushed olive]

how is lawson 2 points behind hadjar

[fallow dragon]

is there any website where i can watch f1 for free??

[neat fern]

Yes there is

[storm granite]

If I could I would send a link

[neat fern]

Lmao

[storm granite]

but I don’t want to get banned

[fallow dragon]

dm

[neat fern]

You’ll only get muted tbh

And no F1 for a month

[clever wedge]

worth

[sudden bough]

drivers by number of podiums before the summer break

PIA - 12
NOR - 12
RUS - 6
LEC - 5
VER - 5
ANT - 1
HUL - 1

[hushed olive]

Norris alone has more points than ferrari in wcc

[tiny slate]

Ok who bought tickets already and is coming with me next year lol

[tiny slate]

Sounds like a Max 2024 situation

[tiny slate]

Sounds pretty much exactly what everybody else was thinking about Red Bull in 2023 but what the hell do I know

[tiny slate]

Seems more like a bunch of compliments. I'm not even a mclaren fan

[timber wadi]

no ones a mclaren fan

[lofty blade]

realest thing ive heard all day

[neat fern]

Doesn’t mean they are cheating

[lofty blade]

never said they are

just odd how they haven’t had a engine failure in 2 years

[neat fern]

:

[lofty blade]

was on some joke thing

😭😭

i just saw it on tiktok a couple days ago

[snow swan]

goated

[lofty blade]

why do u not see ur %

isn’t that weird

not knowing what ur battery % is

[snow swan]

i turned it off

it distracts me tbh

[lofty blade]

yeah idk ive had ut on for sges

never turned it off

[strange cliff]

epic awink

[snow swan]

u noticed that not even the meme i sent

L

[lofty blade]

yes

[snow swan]

[timber wadi]

hes gonna be foine

his dream was ferrari hes living it

more worried bout lewis

[strange cliff]

Yet the day before bro was like this 😭

[snow swan]

i actually saved this hahahahaha omg

bro ate a bad papaya and went P4

[hushed olive]

https://fxtwitter.com/piastrezz/status/1952018827266740299?s=46

Piastrez (@piastrezz)

.

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FxTwitter · Aug 3, 2025, 2:48 PM

[lean prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-oops-gif-17967543897672409098

[lean prairie]

nah that looks odd

[cosmic jay]

What spygate does to a mf hair

[steel zephyr]

What happened to Lewis Hamilton???

I just heard the interviews

[snow swan]

Guyss, what's the hardest track in f1

[pine wing]

In terms of what

Hardest to overtake would be Monaco

[snow swan]

Difficulty

[snow swan]

In terms of everything

[snow swan]

Honestly no, i play on the sim and it's not that hard

Suzuka is tough for me

[neat fern]

”Sim”

[pine wing]

Can't really say in general what's the hardest but these are some:

Hardest (Weather): Qatar
Hardest (Overtake): Monaco

[snow swan]

?

[pine wing]

For the sim yeah it's not that hard cus it's just a game

[snow swan]

Still

[pine wing]

However for the real drivers, overtaking in Monaco would be hard

[snow swan]

It's not abt overtaking only

It's abt consistency

[pine wing]

Mate if you really just want me to compliment your driving skills in Sim Racing then show it to me lol

[pine wing]

If consistency, logistically speaking every map is hard

[snow swan]

I'm not that good I'll accept it

[snow swan]

Sure

[neat fern]

The f1 games isn’t sims btw

[whole vine]

Le mans

[snow swan]

WTH

[whole vine]

Wat

[proud moss]

suzuka

[cunning valley]

physically speaking, singapore would be one of the hardest

[snow swan]

Yee

[snow swan]

Touché

[proud moss]

its easily the most difficult

only easy corners are degner 2 and last chicane

[cunning valley]

i agree

[scarlet vapor]

are you serious lol

[snow swan]

I am

Bro Suzuka needs way way more technical skills

It's so hard to be consistent on the track specially the s's and turn 15 and 16

[mortal mango]

Ferrari performance:
Lap 1-50 = "Maybe we can win"
Lap 51:

[hushed olive]

in the most important part his car became an electric scooter

[snow swan]

Chasis ?

[snow swan]

Lap 20: go charles go,
Lap 21 : we think smthin is wrong with the car
Lap 22 : just give up mate

[hushed olive]

Lewis in his strong tracks in 2025:
China: sprint win but dsq
Spain: Cooked by a sauber
Canada: Groundhog
Silverstone: Bottled Pole, Missed out in the podium
Spa: Shit quali and sprint, fine comeback in the race
Hungary: Ass weekend overall

[mortal mango]

Lap 1: We HAVE to win this gp
Lap 50: " i don't like this gp , destroy the car pls"

[neat fern]

”Missed out in the podium” 💀

English on top

[snow swan]

No replacements

https://youtube.com/shorts/p35OSUff75Y?si=PtcV_V_LmKqcd8q-

[neat fern]

merc is shit rn

[patent shale]

Redbull ain't any better 💀

[snow swan]

He said no

[snow swan]

F2 is faster

[patent shale]

Yea

[hushed olive]

Merc is shit

Rb is shit

Ferrari is shit

all the top teams are shit

except Mclaren

[marble kiln]

Average Ferrari masterclass when they have a shot at winning🗣️ 🗣️ 🔥 🔥 💯 💯

[snow swan]

Even sauber is better

[patent shale]

Rb 21:

[mortal mango]

Nah its the Ferrari

[snow swan]

Hell na

[marble kiln]

Hülkenberg gets a podium before Hamilton while going from P19-P3 in a green tractor 😭 😭 😭

[snow swan]

That's way faster

[snow swan]

Master class

[marble kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/f1-alonso-fernandoalonso-formula1-fernando-gif-27517556

I will cry and destroy Aston Martin if Fernando Goatlonso doesn’t get his 33rd win and his 3rd title

[snow swan]

U won't have to, they finally realized they have newey with them

[marble kiln]

Newey was smoking some white stuff from his table before Hungary

[proud moss]

brazil 2023

[cunning valley]

anyone still remember monza 2020

[proud moss]

yes

[cunning valley]

shit wrong thread

[marble kiln]

Stroll podium

I can never forget when the goat himself gets a podium

[shy hedge]

CHAT YES

😝😝

[shy hedge]

Stroll hate is so forced. I love vro

🫶

[marble kiln]

Ayrton stroll in the rain❤️

[snow swan]

Letting newey go was probably red Bulls biggest mistake

[smoky agate]

not like they had a choice in that

he left, plain and simple

[lilac blade]

goat

[snow swan]

It's not forced

When u see him drive the rage is within

Brazil 2024 was an example

[rocky timber]

Is that his new teammate?

[mild ocean]

Does anyone wanna join my f1 sim league server

[rotund oracle]

Does someone have f1 25

[mild ocean]

I do

[snow swan]

I do to

[neat fern]

probably better than his current one

[pure burrow]

26-26

[subtle crest]

Oh

[neat fern]

lol

[subtle crest]

I mean Leclerc’s pace on the first stint looked really solid in my opinion. With the chassis issue (or ride height, like Russell said) the pace looked diabolical

[neat fern]

yea...

[subtle crest]

I really wonder if Ferrari are gonna win at least a single race this season. I’d really wanna see them score a 1-2 in Monza.

[plush current]

it was probably ride height like Russell said lol

[neat fern]

they had a chance in monaco

and now

probably monza

[subtle crest]

I mean Russell is infamous for controversial claims so I really don’t know if we should trust him with this

[subtle crest]

They deserved Monaco. It should’ve been Leclerc on the top spot

[subtle crest]

Well, deserved. Lando did everything right but you know what I mean by that, right? Would be cool to win his home race, you know

[neat fern]

but lando did better

[subtle crest]

I just wanna see the Italian fans go crazy at their home race so I’m hoping for it

[subtle crest]

Yeah, I mean tough to say if the difference between them was Lando’s job or if the superior car or the run plan on quali by the strategy team made the difference. But Lando did a great job in Monaco, that’s for sure

[junior granite]

not much of a reason to make shit up in this case

whether it is a chassis issue or a ride height issue why does Russell care to lie

[neat fern]

lie?

[junior granite]

"controversial claims"

[neat fern]

yeah

[neat fern]

he might be right

[junior granite]

that's what I'm saying

i think what he said is what he and mercedes think was the real issue

[lavish ore]

https://fxtwitter.com/FDataAnalysis/status/1952364715327299929

Formula Data Analysis (@FDataAnalysis)

LEC had a plank wear issue - here’s how it ruined his race ⚠️ (Data-backed theory) 👇
︀︀
︀︀1️⃣ Lap 9: Bozzi calls for 'FS1' PU mode➡️top speed drops to ~280km/h❌ (ERS cut abruptly)
︀︀🔴LEC was faster than 🟠PIA before, slower after; pace still decent
︀︀
︀︀2️⃣ Still bottoming at Turn 11 (FS1 had no effect there). He’s told to back off there, further losing pace❌
︀︀
︀︀3️⃣ Despite these measures, wear remained excessive. Final blow? Sky-high pressures on his final set➡️destroyed pace❌
︀︀(~2s/lap slower than PIA, undriveable, even slower than his 1st with ~70kg more fuel!)
︀︀
︀︀He finished. But at what cost?
︀︀Made via @JMP_software #YesJMPcan
︀︀#F1 @Charles_Leclerc @LewisHamilton

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FxTwitter · Aug 4, 2025, 1:43 PM

leclerc was faster in his first stint with 70 kg more fuel

ferrari are genuinely a groundbreaking team with how they ALWAYS manage to fuck up every single race

[subtle crest]

I mean I wouldn’t think he’d be lying deliberately. All I was thinking is that what he had said might’ve been just an unbacked assumption by Russell, not something he would’ve known not to be true

[junior granite]

well all I think for sure is that the chassis issue on lap 40 or whatever leclerc said makes no sense

given his radio messages during the race

and no one's got a better theory than the plank wear one so

[subtle crest]

I watched the race live so I had no way to hear the radio? What did he say?

[junior granite]

basically before his pace fell off a cliff he was already talking about managing some issues

said some cryptic shit about discussing those issues before the race too

[subtle crest]

I mean I gotta admit it’s very unlikely that something would just happen to a chassis without a reason.

With that, the Russell’s explanation seems far more plausible.

Thanks for the info

But I’m already excited for Jolyon Palmer’s analysis. I really like him. Apart from being sometimes too harsh on Max, he’s usually very sensible in my opinion

[plush current]

it was always stupid to believe that McLaren were "sabotaging" Piastri or favouring Norris but after listening to the radio it makes it clear just how stupid the people saying that were lol

[junior granite]

the most uncharitable interpretation that I would still kind of accept is that Norris lucked into the one stop working

but even so he had to execute on it

[subtle crest]

I mean it’s basically two different teams working against each other. So if one f*cks up, it’s their loss only. Plus, Oscar actually said he wouldn’t be able to make it a one stop this time. On the other hand, the team should’ve seen the threat by Lando and just denied Oscar the two stop. But you gotta admit Lando fans were also completely out of their minds last weekend when it was completely fair.

[regal needle]

https://fixupx.com/Charles_Leclerc/status/1952433922085949830?t=PfvbytosXLC2WrHl5nNEsQ&s=19

Charles Leclerc (@Charles_Leclerc)

A weekend of ups and downs. First pole of the season but unfortunately a much more difficult race with issues that made the win impossible. We’ll keep pushing for the second half but before that, it’s time to resttttttttt 🏖️

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FixupX · Aug 4, 2025, 6:18 PM

[junior granite]

what happened last weekend

i skipped spa

[cunning valley]

yeah it's not like everyone knew the one stop was the best and didn't give it to drivers

everyone just thought the hards weren't that good

[plush current]

how could they deny Oscar the two stop? Lando didn't switch strategies until after Piastri pitted

and there was no way Piastri was going 51 laps on hards lol

[cunning valley]

but it became the best strat as time went on

[regal needle]

That Emoji Charles placed is must believe that he will go for a Beach on Summer Break

[subtle crest]

Well, basically, Lando fans were crying that McLaren prioritized the driver ahead for inter-dry tyre change

[cunning valley]

yeah piastri and leclerc pitted on schedule for the two stopper

[subtle crest]

They should’ve seen the threat and just let him go just as long as Lando did. Because what really happened was a failed attempt to undercut Leclerc that gave Norris a chance for an outstanding recovery drive from a bottled start

[plush current]

Lando had to stay out because they weren't ready for the double-stack and would've just lost more time if he pitted a few laps later so he sent it for the 1 stopper

the threat wasn't there until Lando didn't have a choice

[junior granite]

instead of what double stacking?

[safe merlin]

Average threads moment

[cunning valley]

yeah exactly by that point it was why not go for the 1 stop

[subtle crest]

The threat was there the moment Russell pitted and Lando got clean air. Lando was lucky/strategy team did hell of a job that as Oscar pitted, Leclerc tried to cover the undercut threat and Russell pitted as well, giving Lando clean air to nurse the tires until lap 30

[junior granite]

Norris did spend quite a bit of the first stint pushing to try to pass Russell

[safe merlin]

I mean was it luck

[junior granite]

to be fair

[cunning valley]

but to be fair the teams were all gunning for two stops at the start it didn't really seem like the one stop was going to work well initially

[subtle crest]

I really don’t know what they wanted the team to do. Probably double stack when they were like a second from each other I guess

[cunning valley]

so then when leclerc came in mclaren had to react

[gloomy flame]

not even true anyone who isn’t a max glazer hated 2023

[subtle crest]

It took a lot of skill but without a bit of luck, it wouldn’t have been doable I think

[plush current]

that

*that's like 70% of all races ever

circumstance dictates the decisions you make

skill is the ability to make those decisions work

[junior granite]

don't get why people can't just be happy we have a close title fight smh

[safe merlin]

Like with hindsight 1 stop is better but everyone then thought 2 stop was better

[cunning valley]

yeah exactly

[safe merlin]

Like I heard people saying Norris was fucked

[subtle crest]

Yeah, Oscar had the same issue with Leclerc. Then Russell boxed and Lando got clean air

[gloomy flame]

piastri winning would’ve been boring for the title fight

[safe merlin]

When he didn't pit

[cunning valley]

yeah commentators were even a bit skeptical that one stop would be viable

[subtle crest]

I agree, one hundred percent. Norris messed up the start and then his half of the garage and himself did an excellent job.

[junior granite]

i don't even know if Norris messed up or piastri just had excellent awareness

[subtle crest]

That’s easy to say when you’re a neutral fan

[grim egret]

but he cant keep doing that, yelisterner made a video about how he loses places in lap 1 !!

[junior granite]

piastri basically lasered on and boxed him in

which was a pretty smart move

[subtle crest]

Yeah but after that, he did everything that was necessary

[safe merlin]

He almost lost the position to Russel,which would have been bad

[junior granite]

yeah but when you have one opponent in the championship that's who you prioritize

[subtle crest]

I mean he’d rather beat him for P4 than be second behind him

[junior granite]

yeah

[plush current]

i don't even know that Norris messed up the start. what else was he supposed to do?

[junior granite]

nothing wrong with that

[junior granite]

that's mainly what I'm saying here

piastri just had very good awareness

it's not like Norris' issues last year in starting

[plush current]

it's either that or you don't try anything going into t1 for some reason and just take zero risks

[safe merlin]

I mean yelisteners video only focused on 24

25 he only really bottled spa

[junior granite]

mhm

[subtle crest]

I mean losing two positions is a messed up start. But it wasn’t anything someone could call a rookie mistake

[cunning valley]

i'd rather lando have taken that risk

[subtle crest]

Yes, of course. But I just don’t think this would happen to Max in a competitive car. Lando is a good driver but t1 has always been his weak spot. And that’s OK

[cunning valley]

"it's always if if if"

[subtle crest]

This is no if if. It’s just a fact. Lando has never been exactly good at this but he’s proven again and again that he can make up for it

[junior granite]

he's improved from last year but yes

[subtle crest]

Yes, last two races have shown it’s still his weak spot but we shouldn’t lean towards ,,You’re only as good as your last race”

[crisp acorn]

that is a very stupid opinion

[azure lintel]

What the strategists at ferrari will see tonight

[lone cloud]

Every night* charles can‘t handle it anymore

[near oriole]

ah yes what a trifecta which predicted podium and kimi p10 💀

[radiant sigil]

didnt he try to khs in 2020?

[real comet]

Who won to lazy to go search for it 🙏😹💔

[clever wedge]

hamilton

[marble kiln]

Can’t blame the guy especially after Hungary

[real comet]

My ass 😭

[clever wedge]

should've checked yourself 🤓

[outer perch]

need a miracle after summer break

[marble kiln]

Next year is our year 😭 🙏

[real comet]

Dream are supposed to be achievable 😭💔

[outer perch]

let us dream bro

[marble kiln]

I can already see Ferrari do well next year and then change the entire concept of the car for 2027😭 😭 😭

[real comet]

Ferrari thing.

[outer perch]

sac lewis

put verstappen in the ferrari 👌👌👌

[marble kiln]

Ferrari would win the constructors
That shouldnt be possible

[vagrant river]

Poor lewis im sad seeing him like this

Max too

[trim jacinth]

Both fighting not for the win, but but for p11

That's just sad

[marble kiln]

4 years ago they were fighting for the championship being 50 seconds ahead of p3😭 😭

[trim jacinth]

Exactly

Now they're 50 seconds behind 3rd place

[sleek swan]

liams lawson redemption is crazy

[real heath]

me

[queen zephyr]

Pretty easy guess

[crisp acorn]

thats hard

[real comet]

Lando ofc if it kit him am gay DEFINITIVE desicion

If it Not him*

[ocean gulch]

from pinterest

[void wind]

The struggle is real🫩😔

[simple niche]

Valid

[frosty gate]

yo

[frosty gate]

I feel bad for charles icl

ferrari screw him over so much

[void wind]

Fr vro💔

[sullen cloak]

why can’t ferrari just lock in i don’t get it

they have so much money

they’re even getting the bonus for being an old team

[void wind]

Must be the…

The..

Uh

I dunno vro🫩😔

[neat fern]

Do they

[void wind]

I’m mean they did fall off horribly

But like

I dunno

[lunar heron]

Yeah I think so

[neat fern]

2026 trust

[void wind]

Next year will be our year😂🫩

[neat fern]

Fr

[void wind]

I got a reaction chain🥹

[wooden kettle]

😭

[warped saffron]

lmao

.ferrari

[jade mural]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825702140118564905/1350695848618623038/image.png?ex=67d7ad09&is=67d65b89&hm=1233cd9b08833e4176137fc40a925299e92e5a0bee227e8a731e5c931ffb4874&

[keen skiff]

https://youtu.be/-fO93hN_rm4?list=TLPQMDUwODIwMjVwu9pRj6scBw

[marble kiln]

They be doing everything so lando doesn’t commit a Leclerc 😭 🙏

[keen skiff]

meh

[wise raptor]

what was that 😭

[craggy zenith]

It's probably less sabotage and more McLaren being as stupid as they were last year

but also i wouldn't be half surprised if they're doing it on purpose to keep it close and keep interest

[velvet crater]

They just clawing for titles atp 😔

[craggy zenith]

state of the media at this point

[velvet crater]

Lmaoooo

[craggy zenith]

like the argument is incfedibly simple

Track position is so much more important that pure pace

[velvet crater]

McLaren thought there would be a two stopper

[craggy zenith]

because good luck actually getting past at Hungary

[velvet crater]

Frfr

[craggy zenith]

yeah they looked at the data which said pace wise the two stop was better

and forgot they were at Hungary

you need a second or more per lap to get a overtake done

and you can do what Norris did and just shut the door anyway

that lock up was caused by Piastri reacting to Norris moving in front of him, which Norris was just following the normal line anyway

[velvet crater]

Yeah

Honestly that like

Yolo by Norris was such a peak masterclass

I haven’t seen Piastri this cracked since like Silverstone

[cunning valley]

and they were trying to beat leclerc

[velvet crater]

wait no spa i forgot

[velvet crater]

Yeah

But then the chassis broke 😭

[craggy zenith]

even though Piastri asked them to focus on Norris instead

🤷‍♂️

[cunning valley]

well that was before

they pulled piastri in w "box ot overtake leclerc" and then later asked oscar if he wanted to focus on charles or lando

[craggy zenith]

i don't know, i called the one stop would be the best before the race even started

the ex ferrari strategist F1TV had was saying the one stop was the way to go

The track was resurfaced and much cooler than it was last year

i didn't think Piastri could make it to the end in Belgium on mediums but he did

[cunning valley]

yeah idk i think a lot of it was reactive tho tbf

[covert cobalt]

Can I share a video here i made

oh wait theres a meme channel nvm

[polar carbon]

Legit how jt felt bro

[wet sequoia]

As someone who once told me in 2023 when Max just won everything, a mid field battle is still a battle

[cinder trench]

2021 haas p19-20 battle ahh

[keen skiff]

I gotta imagine how much hate was thrown Nico or Lewis way during 2016 season

[brisk harness]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGkiUw5gUY

5 Laps race for the 2

Amazing to watch, it will come down to history

[crude ice]

I was surprised lando was able to hold him off those last 5 laps

[keen skiff]

Papaya Rules is way better system then just splitting the team like Merc and letting their drivers Duke it out until they joust themselves out of the points

[keen skiff]

Legit my heart was racing in those 10 laps because the gap was dropping

[crude ice]

Fr I was thinking that Oscar would pass lando easily within the last 5 laps

[craggy zenith]

I knew he would catch up but he was never getting past

I cannot put enough emphasis on this

It's. Hungary

Last year sucked, the year before that sucked

2022 sucked for most people who were not either Max or Lewis

The only place that has a worse pace requirement to make an overtake is Monaco

[crude ice]

Thats true it is called Monaco without walls for a reason

[craggy zenith]

I'm not even critical of Norris for his performance, he picked the right strategy

Why McLaren wouldn't put both of them on it when they would both end up ahead of Leclerc because of it and Piastri could obviously manage the tyres

that's what pisses me off

[crude ice]

I mean Leclerc was faster until his chasis broke

That’s probably why they focused on beating Charles

[craggy zenith]

He was on pace but regardless of the chassis breaking

Piastri would end up ahead of him because Leclerc either has to stop twice or move to a one stop and Piastri undercuts him

and Norris would end up ahead of him as well if he tries the two stop

It's fine if the numbers tell you the two stop is faster

[crude ice]

I mean McLaren said they gambled with Norris and that they had no idea what they were doing with norris

[craggy zenith]

but i guarantee you no one simulated what happens when Alonso parks his ass in 5th and creates a 25 second gap ahead of him

[craggy zenith]

That sounds even worse

i swear half the time i'm sure we hired Ferrari's strategy team

[crude ice]

I have to agree sometimes McLaren strategist screw over one or the other driver

Mainly Oscar tho

[craggy zenith]

Like kudos to Oscar for making the mediums last that long in Belgium

But i 100% thought they just screwed him the race there

They had the pace on everyone, stick em both on hards to the end and let them fight it out

[crude ice]

I didn’t wake up early to watch that race so idk what happened with the strategy

[crisp mason]

11 point difference

imagine if checo could have been 11 points behind max in the same car in 2022 or 2023

[crude ice]

No it’s a 9 point difference

[craggy zenith]

They gave Oscar the priority as you would imagine because he was ahead and put him on the mediums to try the one stop everyone else was doing

Lando did another lap and was asked if he wanted to try the hards and said yes

[crisp mason]

wait i mathed wrong, mb

[craggy zenith]

Lando came close to closing the gap but made too many little mistakes and Oscar seemed to have kept a bit of life in his tyres at the end in case Lando did catch him to try and fight him

[craggy zenith]

Same thing would've happened that happened in reality; they'd get to the halfway point and Checo would fall off

[crisp mason]

lmfaoooo

[craggy zenith]

He lost 2nd to Charles in 2022 and nearly lost it in 2023 to Hamilton

[crisp mason]

checo really isn’t good… 2020 was bis best year

[craggy zenith]

Checo is good

he was driving the other Red Bull

[crisp mason]

cos that sakhir gp win was good

[craggy zenith]

no one can make that car work

[crude ice]

At least lando came second his best result since he’s raced at spa

[crisp mason]

it’s the same car

checo was just not good anymore

[craggy zenith]

Yes but 5 different drivers

5

all have failed to come even somewhat close to Max in that car

[crisp mason]

the only driver who didn’t struggle in the redbull with max was daniel

[craggy zenith]

Yep

and i still don't get why they didn't at least try him in the second half of 2024

[crisp mason]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING.

[craggy zenith]

you either get the exact same result, or he actually does okay

because his Red Bull test showed he could actually drive that car

[crisp mason]

he has the experience and skill

if he got to show or prove himself he would prolly be driving rn

[craggy zenith]

He did show it

[crisp mason]

i meant in a race

[craggy zenith]

Checo got knocked out in Q2 in Silverstone that year

[crisp mason]

not testing

[craggy zenith]

Daniel's time would've locked out the front row for Red Bull

dude hadn't driven a car for 6 months and a Red Bull for nearly 6 years

[crisp mason]

it was 2023 when daniel crashed at zandvoort in practice right?

[craggy zenith]

Yeah but that was a forced crashed

[crisp mason]

yea so he didn’t hit oscar

[craggy zenith]

Oscar spun on the banking and it was either put it in the wall or T-Bone him

[crisp mason]

yup

[craggy zenith]

him breaking his hand was because he didn't let go of the wheel

[crisp mason]

so he chose the option that wouldn’t harm someone else

[craggy zenith]

basically karate chopped him straight into his hand

[crisp mason]

ya

[craggy zenith]

The two things against him were the VCARB is nothing like the Red Bull, as we can obviously see

[crisp mason]

daniel was so good in his prime

[craggy zenith]

and like Hamilton, he doesn't do well with these ground effect cars

[crisp mason]

winning monaco and monza

[craggy zenith]

there was a genuine adaptability problem he had at McLaren

[crisp mason]

exactly, he even stated that

[craggy zenith]

but he couldn't drive the cars

[crisp mason]

because we all saw how he did in 2018 and 2021

[craggy zenith]

he was as good, if not better at Renault than he had been at Red Bull

he was just driving a Renault

[crisp mason]

yea it was just slow 😭

[craggy zenith]

He nearly beat Checo in 2020

[crisp mason]

tracing point was lowkey fast in 2020

even tho it was midfield, it could fight for wins, as seen in sakhir

[craggy zenith]

It was fairly inconsistant though

even Checo's results bounced back and forth a bit

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

Could you imagine if Stroll won that

[crisp mason]

but that could have also just been driver error

[craggy zenith]

Well actually he nearly won in Turkey

[crisp mason]

😭 🙏

[craggy zenith]

so we don't have to

[crisp mason]

if stroll wins a race before yuki i will throw hands istg

or nico

[craggy zenith]

He probably will before Yuki gets a podium

[crisp mason]

💔 💔

[craggy zenith]

closest he came was Abu Dhabi 21

Which would've been nice in light of all the other shit that was going on

[crisp mason]

i don’t remember where he finished

[craggy zenith]

4th

[crisp mason]

ah

dude i was so happy when lando won miami last year

[craggy zenith]

Only half a second behind Sainz

[crisp mason]

his first win should have been sochi 💔

[craggy zenith]

I mean debatable if he could've held off Lewis on the same tyres

but he would've had a good shot

[queen orbit]

if only hamilton and verstappen both dnfed

[craggy zenith]

it was his own mistake that cost him

[queen orbit]

he wouldve gotten second

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

As for the people who say he could've won Monza

Daniel out paced him all weekend for once

and they asked him to hold back to keep Norris in DRS to prevent Bottas catching him

when they got to the last lap, he pissed off and took the fastest lap

[crisp mason]

yea ill never understand how ppl said lando could have beat him there

[craggy zenith]

The team told him not to overtake Daniel, which tbf their first possibility of a 1-2 in 9 years

but they also asked Daniel to hold back to protect him

[crisp mason]

the mclaren fall off was insane when lewis left

[craggy zenith]

so the orders went both ways

[crisp mason]

they lost a whole era due to a shit car

[craggy zenith]

2013 sucked because no one else really altered their cars much, while McLaren tried to go with an extreme design change

with either would've made the car super dominant or shit and obviously made the car shit

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

2014 was a lot of the same

and then McHonda

i know, it was painful as a McLaren fan

[crisp mason]

but now, the design change has made the car super dominant

[craggy zenith]

but as an Australian we at least had Daniel

[crisp mason]

daniel my beloved 💔 💔

[craggy zenith]

Sucks that he never had the equipment he deserved

[crisp mason]

i honestly wish daniel would try to go to v8 super cars

[craggy zenith]

but that's what happens when you have the Renault weighing you down

[crisp mason]

2018 was probably the closest he had to a car good enough

[craggy zenith]

I would like him to try something else; I know Grosjean was egging him on to come to Indycar

i don't think he will

[crisp mason]

i mean indy is basically american f1

[craggy zenith]

i think he's pretty content with his business ventures and his farm

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

and also i think he feels a little betrayed nearly replacing Checo after Spa

[crisp mason]

the one thing i don’t like is hes doing gambling ads

[craggy zenith]

then getting sacked a few months later

[crisp mason]

the worst part was not even getting sacked, it’s that they didn’t let him finish the season

[craggy zenith]

I think there was a contractal issue with Lawson

where if they didn't physically put him in the seat, he would go

[crisp mason]

like when he broke his hand, he came back and got p6 in mexico

in that shitty vcarb.

[craggy zenith]

I think they imagined they would replace Checo halfway though and then he would have the VCARB seat

but that didn't happen for whatever reason

[crisp mason]

everyone wanted checo gone

[craggy zenith]

Every keeps saying "bet you regret dropping Checo now"

No, i don't think they should because he did such a poor fucking job

he scored like 40 points the entire second half of the season

And it's mainly the car

On pure pace, Albon was as good, if not better than Checo's across their Red Bull stint

it was the fact the RB16 sucked to drive even for Max that he couldn't maximise it

but they still dropped him anyway

no joke, he probably does as good, if not better in 2021 than Checo did

[crisp mason]

wasn’t there 2 versions of the RB16?

there was the 16 and 16B right

[craggy zenith]

2021 car was the RB16B

[crisp mason]

ohh

[craggy zenith]

because they delayed the 2022 regulations cause of Covid so everyone just reused their cars with some minor modifications

[crisp mason]

fair

[craggy zenith]

which shows you what happens when you keep the regulations stale

[crisp mason]

so 2021 was meant to be the reg change?

[craggy zenith]

yes

[crisp mason]

hmm

if only covid didn’t happen

[craggy zenith]

It's also the example of why you don't keep changing regulations every 5 years

[crisp mason]

honestly

go back to 2004 regs 🙏 🙏

[craggy zenith]

because we suddenly got not only a title fight, but a close fight across the grid

[crisp mason]

give us V10

give us small cars

[craggy zenith]

I think the V10 is not really a possibility

it's too niche in the car industry nowadays

A V8 is more accessible to people

[crisp mason]

i’m pretty sure it’s just the emissions no?

[craggy zenith]

It's emissions and money

[crisp mason]

money 😭 😭 they all have enough money

[craggy zenith]

the V10's were dropped originally because teams were spending exorbitant amounts on development and putting the private teams at risk of dropping out

[crisp mason]

aston martin definitely has no issues… with daddy stroll

[craggy zenith]

Prost went bust literally because they couldn't afford the Ferrari engine

[crisp mason]

wild

[craggy zenith]

Well whatever it's going to be called

since Aston is selling their shares

i hope it's Honda

please be Honda

[crisp mason]

well, V8 or V10, idc cos they’re both way better than the V6

isnt aston getting honda engines next year?

[craggy zenith]

Yes

exclusive engines

since Caddy is using Ferrari

[crisp mason]

so it’d be safe to assume that honda is buying shares

[craggy zenith]

so it makes perfect sense to rebrand it to Honda

which would be perfect irony if they won next year

[crisp mason]

would have thought they’d use their own engines tbh

[craggy zenith]

literally a reverse Brawn

[crisp mason]

or use ford

[craggy zenith]

they are in 2028

[crisp mason]

oh shit

[craggy zenith]

for the first two years they're using Ferrari's stuff while they develop it

[crisp mason]

ig they’re just still developing it

yeah

[craggy zenith]

which is probably better because no one wants a repeat of Honda in 2015

[crisp mason]

they could use ford engines tbf

[craggy zenith]

where they were rushing into the sport

[crisp mason]

with rb

[craggy zenith]

Well it's a Red Bull engine with a Ford hybrid unit

so it would entirely depend of Red Bull allowing other teams to use their engine

[crisp mason]

wasn’t ford a team in f1 at one point

or was it toyota

[craggy zenith]

The irony is Ford, who owned Jaguar are now Red Bull

[crisp mason]

😭 😭 😭

wild

[craggy zenith]

Jaguar was the Ford works team because Ford owned the Jaguar brand

[crisp mason]

yk, i miss super aguri and their shittiness

[craggy zenith]

it failed because it was too much of a political mess

Toyota is even sadder

[crisp mason]

ah i see

[craggy zenith]

partly because the 2010 car looked very good

and also they spend more than any team to barely get any points

[crisp mason]

toyota said they’re never gonna try f1 again right

[craggy zenith]

their operating budget in 2008 was like $800 million

[crisp mason]

fucking hell

[craggy zenith]

at the time yes

they have a technical partnership with Haas nowadays

and a lot of people think that's a gateway to first getting one of their drivers in the seat

and then some day down the road buying the team

[crisp mason]

idrk all the political stuff in f1 anymore, don’t both keeping up 😭

[craggy zenith]

Again Toyota's problem was they tried to do f1 their own way

not the way that's successful in F1

[crisp mason]

like honda right

[craggy zenith]

hence why it's the only series they've done that they haven't won at

[craggy zenith]

Honda were more or less just shit

[crisp mason]

eugh that just reminded me of the shitty mclaren alonso flipped in australia

that thing looked… eugh

[craggy zenith]

they built good cars as BAR in 2004 and as Honda in 2006

not quite enough to fight for titles but get close to wins

2007 and 2008 were just shit

The Brawn was a Honda car with a Merc engine in the back

[crisp mason]

this thing…

fucking ew.

[craggy zenith]

At least it's not the 2014 cars

[crisp mason]

wait was it 2015 when alonso flipped at australia

[craggy zenith]

the Caterham... ugh

[craggy zenith]

2016

[crisp mason]

ah

[craggy zenith]

hit gutierrez's Haas

[crisp mason]

yup. this piece of shit

atleast the front wing was nice…

ish

[craggy zenith]

nearly idential to Brundle's crash in 1996 bizzarely

although much faster

[crisp mason]

honestly, rookie mistake 🤦‍♂️

silly rookie alonso

[craggy zenith]

geniune racing incident

[crisp mason]

nah ik

[craggy zenith]

Honestly the car was good enough to protect him obviously

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

we thankfully didn't get a repeat of what happened in i think 2001 in Melbourne

where a tyre went off and killed a marshall

[crisp mason]

honestly people glorify the halo for a lot of crashes where it didn’t do anything

like max at silverstone

[craggy zenith]

cough Senna

[crisp mason]

the halo didn’t save his life

[crisp mason]

i honestly haven’t seen any clear footage of his crash

[craggy zenith]

It may or may not exist

no one knows

[crisp mason]

i tried finding it

but js couldn’t

[craggy zenith]

The onboard feed conviniently cuts off 1 and half seconds before the crash

[crisp mason]

do you think if the halo was there when it happened he might be alive today?

[craggy zenith]

and no one has ever come forward with the camcorder footage that we know exists

[crisp mason]

😭 crazy

[craggy zenith]

It's more on Bernie than it being a grand conspiracy

[crisp mason]

yea cos all i’ve seen is the before and after

not the actual crash itself

[craggy zenith]

because the reality is under Italian law the race should not have gone ahead because Ratzenberger was medically dead at the track

like he was dead on impact

[crisp mason]

oh my

[craggy zenith]

Bernie had it done so he was declared dead at the hospital

[crisp mason]

that’s insane

[craggy zenith]

so the race could go ahead

[crisp mason]

that’s insane…

wait bernie as in bernie collins?

[craggy zenith]

No Bernie Eccelstone

[crisp mason]

oh

[craggy zenith]

the guy who used to own all of F1

[crisp mason]

😭 🙏

smh

[craggy zenith]

The direct impact you can't see

[crisp mason]

so because of him, 2 drivers died that weekend instead of just 1

[craggy zenith]

because the only footage is that of a camera near Tosa and Michael's/Hill's onboard

But you can see enough, and there is the helicopter shot after the crash which...

i recommend you don't find

it's not nice

[crisp mason]

now i want to…

[craggy zenith]

I would really suggest you don't

obviously if your morbid curiosity gets you, i can't stop you

but it's not nice seeing them pull him out of the car

[crisp mason]

it’s hard to determine if there being a halo would have saved him because obviously there’s no public footage of the crash

[craggy zenith]

The issue with Senna is that it's not 100% clear what killed him

[crisp mason]

however, the existence of the halo did most likely save lewis in monza

or atleast stop him from severe injury

and zhou in silverstone

[craggy zenith]

they determined in the Autopsy 3 different things could've killed him
The tyre coming off and hitting his head which pressed his head back into the headrest
The suspension arm piecing his helmet
And another piece of suspension going through his helmet just above his eye

any one of the 3 would've been fatal and they all happened basically at once

[queen orbit]

there hasn’t been any non-halo case of a car being literally on top of a drivers head right

like in f1

[craggy zenith]

Yes

Martin Brundle in Brazil in 1994

[queen orbit]

wtf

[craggy zenith]

Verstappen's car went flying over and his tyre quite literally bounced off his head and split his helmet

all he had was a sore neck

[queen orbit]

thats insane wth

[craggy zenith]

which is why i don't actually think Max's crash would've killed Lewis because that was an even slower accident

hurt for sure

maybe miss a race

but there's been worse and drivers have been fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1imC4RvJg80

I can show this one since it doesn't break the rules

or Not, thanks FOM you wankers

[crisp mason]

it would have still been entirely possible tho

[craggy zenith]

Maybe

i doubt it but i would rather we never have to know

Zhou 100% would've been dead

Leclerc maybe as well

and obviously it goes without saying Grosjean is a no brainer

[crisp mason]

yea zhou 100%

he slid along the road

[craggy zenith]

The rollbar failed basically instantly

[crisp mason]

yup

[craggy zenith]

the Halo was the only thing protecting him

[crisp mason]

i mean you can literally see where it dug into the road too

[craggy zenith]

I don't blame Russell for jumping out and wanting to see if he was okay i think that was very sportsman of him

[crisp mason]

oh for sure

[craggy zenith]

given that my first thought would be if he's even okay

Same with Vettel in Spa for that matter

[crisp mason]

it’s just like seb in spa with lando, checking if he was okay

man i miss seb

[craggy zenith]

I think Seb 100% would've jumped out and checked him if he didn't do anything back

[crisp mason]

for sure

[craggy zenith]

he's just that kind of driver

[crisp mason]

if lando wasn’t conscious seb would have been out of his car

[craggy zenith]

I think it sucks they didn't allow Russell to resume the race because his car turned off

i think given the circumstance that isn't fair

[crisp mason]

it’s kinda dumb considering it was red flagged and any driver would have done the same thing

[craggy zenith]

Pretty much

[crisp mason]

speaking of zhou in silverstone.

the video right under brundles

do you think that the halo would have saved jules bianchi in japan?

[spring gate]

Yes of course

[wind sluice]

pretty sure the fia admitted the halo wouldn't have saved him

[spring gate]

💀

Why

[wind sluice]

it was like a ~200g crash into a tractor

[spring gate]

Is it because of safety car

[craggy zenith]

Probably not

the issue was he had a massive 200+G crash against the tractor

it was the sudden stop that did all the damage to his brain

[wind sluice]

pretty sure when he crashed into it it basically tore the car in half

[crisp mason]

hmmm i see

[craggy zenith]

the VSC would have because the conditions were just unacceptble to be racing in

[crisp mason]

what was romains crash

[craggy zenith]

67G

[crisp mason]

hmm okay

[craggy zenith]

Max's in Silverstone was 51G

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

Ratzenberger's at Imola was over 500G

[wind sluice]

holy shit

[craggy zenith]

that is why the car is basically destroyed

[crisp mason]

i just find it funny when people say “the halo saved max’s life”

[craggy zenith]

it was the general crash structure of the car

it's also the main reason why it's very hard to make the cars smaller

[crisp mason]

yea

i mean they still are making them smaller

[craggy zenith]

a lot of that size came from the reinforcement

Getting rid of the venturi tunnels 100% will

simply removing the importance of the floor for downforce will allow you to make a smaller car

[crisp mason]

i haven’t actually seen the floor of the 2026 cars

[craggy zenith]

There's no ground effect

[wind sluice]

flat, just like 2017-2021

[crisp mason]

well that’s good

maybe we will see lewis doing better

[craggy zenith]

Ground effect hasn't done what the FIA wanted

and as a big side effect, the spray is worse

[wind sluice]

well, take away 100cm

[crisp mason]

it lowkey just made racing worse

[craggy zenith]

because of all the air being ejected out of the diffusor

The tyres aren't actually the issue with the rain

it's the diffusor kicking up so much water

[junior granite]

a lot of it is also for aero purposes

you can absolutely shorten the car without compromising safety

[crisp mason]

blown diffuser

[craggy zenith]

yeah but the FIA doesn't like that

for whatever reason

[crisp mason]

smh. yucky fia

[craggy zenith]

there's no safety issue with it

[crisp mason]

they get rid of EVERY innovation

[craggy zenith]

because it would cost too much for other teams to quickly develop it

so they just protest it instead

[wind sluice]

can't make the cars sound too ok, right guys?

[crisp mason]

we aren’t allowed good sounding cars anymore 😔

that’s why the V6 exists

[craggy zenith]

like the infamous 2nd brake pedal on the McLaren's

cost a whole £50

[crisp mason]

or the F Duct

[craggy zenith]

Ferrari couldn't figure out how to match it quickly so they banned it

[craggy zenith]

The F Duct actually just got turned into DRS

so it was redundant

and there was concerns over how Ferrari did it

[crisp mason]

except was usable at any time

[craggy zenith]

and the onboard of Alonso coming out of the final turn in Spain with no hands on the wheel

[wind sluice]

the v6 is cracked just turn the sound off

[craggy zenith]

well yes

there is a safety aspect of it

[crisp mason]

i mean the V6 doesn’t sound AWFUL. it’s just not as good as say the V8

[craggy zenith]

the McLaren's did it properly by using the driver's leg

a lot of teams used the driver's hand

[crisp mason]

for sure

[crisp mason]

such as ferrari 💔

goofy ahh team

[craggy zenith]

and also, well ask Jack Doohan what happens when you get rid of the downforce in a turn

[crisp mason]

lmao

[wind sluice]

but guys, he did it in the sim!!!!

[craggy zenith]

Look i don't think you can actually blame him much for that

[crisp mason]

you may just… go whoosh

[craggy zenith]

what kind of fucking simulator tells you you can take T1 in Suzuka with the DRS open

the F1 games wouldn't let you do that

[crisp mason]

😭 😭 😭

[wind sluice]

modded mariokart idfk

[craggy zenith]

and also, he had done it the previous lap with no problem

[crisp mason]

modded f1 allows you to!!

[craggy zenith]

he just broke a tiny bit later and that swung the car

and also, the guy's a rookie

[wind sluice]

suzuka t1-2 flat just turn on grip hacks irl

[craggy zenith]

Monaco wall ride world record

funniest thing i've seen from the F1 games

[crisp mason]

i’m ngl. ayrton senna and alain prost in the same team was like lando and oscar this season

[craggy zenith]

literally doing that nascar move across the whole track

[crisp mason]

just total domination

[wind sluice]

piastri winning by 30 seconds when

[crisp mason]

hmm

when he gets past lando at zandvoort

[craggy zenith]

What Silverstone should've been

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

To be serious wasn't Bahrain something like that

14 or 17 seconds

15.5 Seconds

[wind sluice]

"how many psi do I need to back up the pack? 60? I brake now! Good luck everybody else!"

[craggy zenith]

i think it should've been 5

[crisp mason]

i miss hockenheim

[craggy zenith]

it was also entirely unnecessary

Like dude already pulled a 14 second lead on everyone after the first safety car

he could've just done it again

I'm not that worried about the rest of this european leg, with maybe the exception of Zandvoort

the American leg of the season is what has me worried because for whatever reason, he just fell off last year

like with the exception of the Brazil sprint which he should've won

[crisp mason]

lando hasn’t had much luck at vegas

[craggy zenith]

he was just mid af

[crisp mason]

however. he has had luck at abu dhabi since mclarens been even half decent

[craggy zenith]

Well except last year

Maybe Max thought it was Lando and he could shove him out the way

[crisp mason]

oh i was talking about lando lol

[craggy zenith]

lol fair

I mean Oscar is also pretty good at Abu Dhabi

and Qatar as the last two years have shown

[crisp mason]

p5 in 2023 and p1 last year

[craggy zenith]

I mean i don't know what Lando was thinking in Qatar last year

maybe he was pissed that he threw- I mean lost the title

[crisp mason]

yea lando isn’t great at qatar as we have seen

[crisp mason]

haha

[craggy zenith]

I mean if Ferrari didn't screw up the mid year upgrades last year

could be talking about someone else winning

[crisp mason]

HAHAHAA ferrari and not fucking something up

as a ferrari fan. i am delusional.

[keen olive]

Ferrari and not fucking up in the same sentence🥀💔

[crisp mason]

fr 🥀 🥀

[craggy zenith]

I don't get people who say Leclerc doesn't have it

no he clearly does

he just has the handicap of driving a Ferrari

[crisp mason]

oh yea no he does

[craggy zenith]

Like did people forget the first part of 2022?

[crisp mason]

put him in that mclaren or redbull and we would see him winning more

[crisp mason]

fr

[craggy zenith]

Would've dominated Spain and Monaco if it wasn't for Ferrari

[crisp mason]

first time as a ferrari fan i was truly hopeful since 2018

[wind sluice]

leclerc is pretty mint but he's just driving for an insane asyu- I mean for Ferrari

I wonder if they pay for his therapy

[craggy zenith]

the fact they were about to sack Vassuer is literally insane

the man in the closest they've come to either title

[crisp mason]

i just realised, if there was no gravel trap at t1 of silverstone, zhous crash would have been even worse

[craggy zenith]

I think it's a harder hit but that's about it

there's a tyre barrier before the fence

[queen orbit]

average oscar glazer ngl

[craggy zenith]

Well without the safety car yes

he's also an idiot for throwing the race

[crisp mason]

he probably would have had injury seeing as he would have hit much faster

[queen orbit]

sadly yeah

[craggy zenith]

I will blame the team for Hungary

but that was all on him

[queen orbit]

wasn’t it just his strategy call

[craggy zenith]

They asked him like 10 laps in do you think the tyres will last for a one stop

all he said was I don't know

[crisp mason]

oscar screwed himself in hungary but was still given the win

[queen orbit]

so ig its his fault then

[craggy zenith]

I don't work for a F1 team and I knew before the race the one stop was the way to go

[craggy zenith]

Lando didn't know either

[queen orbit]

2024?

[craggy zenith]

they just went fuck it this is our only chance

[crisp mason]

yea by strategy

[queen orbit]

yeah but he went for the 1 stop

so like yeah

[wind sluice]

we don't talk about hungary 24

[crisp mason]

oscar had the choice to do something but didn’t

[craggy zenith]

Not really

that was entirely the team

they firstly pitted lando first to cover off an imaginary threat from Hamilton

[crisp mason]

he still could have chose to pit before lando

[craggy zenith]

It's not his job to decide when to pit

[crisp mason]

which became even more imaginary after hamilton and max

[craggy zenith]

and if he also does it without warning, he loses the lead because of a slow stop

[crisp mason]

no well he could have said a couple laps before that he wanted to pit

[craggy zenith]

The team also did an absolutely poor job communicating to Lando what the plan was, which was stupid anyway but besides the point

[crisp mason]

yea for sure

[craggy zenith]

These teams hire massive strategy teams in order to figure this out

[crisp mason]

i mean it was the first time the team had a chance at winning anything since lewis in 2008

[craggy zenith]

The driver does not have information as to what is going on around him

he only knows what's going on with his own car and maybe the driver behind him depending on what he can see

[crisp mason]

obviously but he is the one driving so he also knows how the car is going

[craggy zenith]

If he pits too early, he doesn't have the life in his tyres, or he runs into traffic which slows him down

pit too late and the guy behind you undercuts you

The teams are very careful as to not pit into traffic at a track you can't overtake at very easily

[crisp mason]

cough cough. monaco

[craggy zenith]

Because if Piastri pitted and ended up stuck behind i dunno, let's say Tsunoda for 2-3 laps before he pits

Lando has clean air to run faster and end up ahead

[crisp mason]

really the only overtaking opportunity at monaco is the pit “straight”

fair

i feel like they still shouldn’t have given oscar the win but i see why they did

because lando was the only chance they had at winning wdc

[craggy zenith]

In all seriousness, it should've been him to pit first, and then Lando

the threat to Hamilton wasn't really there

[crisp mason]

that extra points makes every difference

[crisp mason]

well yea

[craggy zenith]

at the time it wasn't really clear

McLaren had won only a single race up to that point

they had thrown like 4 race wins up to that point

two of them being Lando's fault

[crisp mason]

while they had only won 1 race, lando was still closing the gap to max at this point

monza tho… having them be allowed to fight for position was dumb

[craggy zenith]

I mean they never made it clear until after that because i don't think they expected Oscar to just not give a shit

[crisp mason]

yea

[craggy zenith]

I also would give more credit to Leclerc for making that one stop work

[modest abyss]

I'm loving the discussion guy's

[crisp mason]

oh yea 100%

[craggy zenith]

because his pace just didn't fall off, it was uber consistant

[crisp mason]

leclerc def deserved that race

but lando got screwed over by oscar’s move

[craggy zenith]

You want to see my favourite picture from Monza?

[crisp mason]

go on

i mean i know mine

[craggy zenith]

NO LECLERC WHAT ARE YOU DOING

[craggy zenith]

Don't worry he's just copying his mentor

[native pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-f1-sainz-doing-trolling-carlos-sainz-2016singapore-gp-f1-gif-23173503

[crisp mason]

i took this while watching the race live on tv

idk what it is, but it just… looks good

even tho it was a picture of my tv

[clever roost]

My alarm didn’t go off

I keep missing the races

Pain

[crisp mason]

i was just glad monza is at 11pm for me

[graceful kite]

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