monaco-gp

[proven leaf]

Thanks for the laugh lol

Seriously made me laugh after that rant

[neat fern]

Where you from?

[wispy stag]

I’m going to Italy rn, but not for the GP 🥀

[wet sequoia]

No, Piastri is like Raikkonen, not phased out by anything

[proven leaf]

Dude .. Abu Dhabi. After that turn one incident he seemed off. Crash with colapinto

[wet sequoia]

You are aware after Brazil Colapinto was playing dodge’’ems with everyone

Plus it was the WCC on the line

Higher Piastri climbed the safer McLaren were in the event Norris lost the lead

[proven leaf]

If norris lost p1 , was there even any chance of winning WCC ?

[wet sequoia]

Depends how many points Piastri could snatch back by advancing up the grid

[proven leaf]

There was no way piastri was climbing any higher than p9

[wet sequoia]

It would have been enough to clinch the WCC if Norris finished 2nd

[proven leaf]

Wait fr ?

MCL was 666

[wet sequoia]

Yeah, because McLaren won more GP’s then Ferrari

[proven leaf]

Ferrari was 652

If lando was p2

MCL would be 659

Ah

Makes sense

But he does get erratic when he gets annoyed

[wet sequoia]

Piastri? Nah, his angry is the cold focused kind

[proven leaf]

In all honesty every driver does that's the point

[wet sequoia]

Norris gets emotional

[proven leaf]

I wasn't even pointing towards this in the first place

[wet sequoia]

Verstappen just screams and abuses everyone else

[proven leaf]

He made overtakes on atleast 3 cars after the t1 last time out

Didn't seem irrational

[wet sequoia]

We talking Miami?

[proven leaf]

Except with max which is obv because max just went so much harder

On lando

[wet sequoia]

The fact he failed to make the Verstappen pass stick for so long because he was forcing it says a lot

[proven leaf]

The more time he spends behind max , the more time he loses to piastri

[wet sequoia]

Because Norris was still emotional about losing 4 places earlier, he was impatient to try to catch Piastri and win that it ended up making his race worse

Piastri bided his time and forced Verstappen to brake late and go deep

[candid lion]

Max might be skillful. But in a slower car he's just a dirty driver.

[subtle gulch]

Race Schedule

2025 Season

Emilia Romagna Grand Prix (<t:1747573200:R>)

Free Practice 1: <t:1747395000:f> (<t:1747395000:R>)
Free Practice 2: <t:1747407600:f> (<t:1747407600:R>)
Free Practice 3: <t:1747477800:f> (<t:1747477800:R>)
Qualifying: <t:1747490400:f> (<t:1747490400:R>)
Grand Prix: <t:1747573200:f> (<t:1747573200:R>)

Round 7 of 24

[little sparrow]

Dont worry guys

Ferrari 1-2 incoming

We just have to unlock the potential of the car like vasseur said

🔥

[dense steeple]

I hope

Their car just sucks atm

The Lego car was actually a bit faster then the real car

[fierce trellis]

yo

[snow swan]

This was Hamiltons photo at marenello itlay, it's on his social media handles, NOTICE THIS PHOTO HAS 7 DOORS, AND 8TH ONE IS A WINDOW.

This was one his his first photos at ferrari.

[dense steeple]

Can’t wait for Imola

[rough cairn]

Upsi

haha

[steel sphinx]

Ok

[glad plaza]

should change the name of gp

it should be san marino or vatican 🤡

or ferrari gp

[fickle forum]

and this will be the last photo at ferrari

[vocal wadi]

Guys i know it's bad but i made a poster for the San marino gp (Imola) (i tried my best)

My camera quality is bad

[meager edge]

👍

[rustic sable]

I see only 2 doors😭 and 7 windows

[fast hawk]

You mean, 8 windows, 7 of which are closed and one is open

[late remnant]

looks good! I enjoy simplistic designs and this one hits hard
could have a bit more info and some other previous track layouts to fill the empty space but don't overdo it of course(just my suggestions btw)

[vocal wadi]

Thanks for comment 👍 i Will Say i was about to add even the Rolex logo but my pc crashed

[vague jasper]

Looks nice, to make up for the plain style (I like it), could u maybe greyscale the right hand side or smthn just to give a bit more personality

[vocal wadi]

Thank for the comments👍 (i have more in Im USB when i return home maybe i can send some photo about the other's

For now I'm working im Gona return home at 18:00:alonsad:

[queen orbit]

are teams bringing upgrades to imola besides mclaren

[tender cypress]

Ferrari I think

[snow swan]

I LOVE YUKI TSUNODA

[fluid heath]

probably

dunno

[night delta]

so does that mean p15 and p12 for imola qualifying 💔

praying that the upgrades will actually work on solving the issues of the car balance

[tender cypress]

yea an improvement would do

[hexed zephyr]

that’d be so good but then watch it turn into a complete shitshow 🙏 💔

[dusky root]

I wouldn't complain if the F40 comes with me

[urban sparrow]

I thought 2025 would genuinely be Ferrari's year

McLaren stayed where they are

Ferrari are now fighting the Williams cars on a regular basis

[stable wasp]

Nah, Ferrari cannot be trusted. Fred is taking a piss atp

[gloomy wharf]

Someone said Williams was doing better than they were before.

[night delta]

lets bring back mattia binotto to make both drivers lose their minds

[dusky root]

Not like shit's improved with Fred

Mattia knew how to make a car (which expires by mid season) at least

[night delta]

fred was from sauber right

[urban sparrow]

And I don't think Williams is battling for P2 in Consteuctors. Ferrari was at P2 last year, they're nowhere close to that now

[urban sparrow]

Yes, he came from Sauber

[neat fern]

It has

[dusky root]

Wouldn't say so. The sections that were supposed to improve haven't

[neat fern]

Did you see 2022?

[dusky root]

Yes, and?

[neat fern]

The strategis, the pitstops

[surreal meteor]

That’s the thing like changing the team principle alone just doesn’t fix organisational issues

[dusky root]

2025 has been just about the same

[dusky root]

Exactly

[neat fern]

Atleast now we have the fastest pitstops

[dusky root]

Great;

Everything else is far worse

Absolute success

[neat fern]

The only thing that is bad is the car

[dusky root]

Strategy is just as shit

[surreal meteor]

See Haas after Steiner or Alpine after Cyril btw as other examples

[dusky root]

Race engineers are still shit

[night delta]

exactly, the main point

[dusky root]

Car development is in a slump

[neat fern]

Like what?

[dusky root]

You're sleeping on the ferrari issues

[dusky root]

Brother it took them 4 laps to make a shit call in miami

[neat fern]

Every team has issues

[surreal meteor]

If Ferrari does win a title in the next few years it’ll be despite the issues

[dusky root]

We've been having them for decades now

[neat fern]

I can’t think of any team that would’ve done better

[dusky root]

What

[surreal meteor]

well Mercedes and Red Bull and McLaren darling

that’s sorta the whole point 😂

[neat fern]

Did you just bring up McLaren and redbull this year

[dusky root]

I'm just as delusional as any other Ferrari fan, but you're pulling a Vasseur

[surreal meteor]

??

[dusky root]

The drivers are constantly saying a thing while he says something entirely different

[neat fern]

Silverstone

[surreal meteor]

are you unable to understand an argument that’s based on context that’s LARGER than the handful of races that have happened this year?

[neat fern]

I’m just saying no team is perfect

[surreal meteor]

teams don’t suddenly become new organisations in the off season

[surreal meteor]

which is just not a particularly useful argument to make

[dusky root]

No team is perfect absolutely

Nobody said that

[surreal meteor]

like obviously no team is perfect

[dusky root]

But Ferrari is seemingly not trying to fix the clear issues

[surreal meteor]

and the issues that existed weren’t not Binotto’s fault and they’re not Fred’s fault now

[dusky root]

It's an Elkann company anyways, they won't fix shit

[surreal meteor]

someone higher up in the organisation has to be willing to make far more sweeping changes

[dusky root]

They'll just keep rotating team principals

[surreal meteor]

which is the problem

it’s the same problem Haas has and it’s the same problem Alpine has

[dusky root]

I disagree with Haas. Steiner was fun but genuinely needed to go

[surreal meteor]

Red Bull has similar issues but they’re caged off in the way they treat personnel and don’t impact the rest of the team as much

[surreal meteor]

oh he did, but it didn’t fix Haas

the fact he was there that long in fact rather proves the issues went beyond him

[dusky root]

Takes time, I forgot when steiner left but towards the end of reg cycles they're obviously not going to make huge leaps

[surreal meteor]

You’re looking too micro again

[dusky root]

Haas seems to be operating way better than they were under steiner

Minus Ferrari engine mishaps

[native compass]

ferrari definitely reminds me of other sports teams in that they have an insanely storied history and because of that refuse to make any changes that would divert from the old ways of doing things

[kind oracle]

why is Jack doohan getting replaced

[neat fern]

Guess

[neat latch]

Because he's an Alpine driver

It's becoming a tradition with that team

They're always mid and there's always a driver controversy

[tribal vapor]

also fuck those argentines

they harrass alpine and jack

[neat latch]

That fanbase is definitely... Interesting...

They're obsessed

[tribal vapor]

They can't get off Franco's dick thats for sure

[neat latch]

I like franco as a driver and the hope he has a good career ahead of him but the fanbase is absolutely dangerous

[tribal vapor]

Like we get it bro, you're argentinian and he's argentinian

[neat latch]

My mom is in Argentina

But like it's literally obsession

[tribal vapor]

those argentines are basically rage-baiting

[neat latch]

They cannot stop talking about him even if it's about the smallest details all the time

[tribal vapor]

YES! I'm from argentina🗣️🗣️
YES! I am an F1 fan🥀🌹
YES! Everyday I post hate and harass comments on alpines instagram page🇦🇷🇦🇷🇦🇷
YES! I ride my glorious goat franco goatapinto

[hardy tundra]

All fan bases are pretty much the same even Brazil has that with senna I get that he was really good but to be considered as the goat nah

[subtle gulch]

Race Calendar

2025 Season

‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Australian Grand Prix — <t:1742097600:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Chinese Grand Prix — <t:1742713200:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Japanese Grand Prix — <t:1743915600:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Bahrain Grand Prix — <t:1744556400:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Saudi Arabian Grand Prix — <t:1745168400:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Miami Grand Prix — <t:1746388800:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Emilia Romagna Grand Prix — <t:1747573200:f>

Free Practice 1: <t:1747395000:f>
Free Practice 2: <t:1747407600:f>
Free Practice 3: <t:1747477800:f>
Qualifying: <t:1747490400:f>

‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Monaco Grand Prix — <t:1748178000:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Spanish Grand Prix — <t:1748782800:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Canadian Grand Prix — <t:1750010400:f>
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‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ São Paulo Grand Prix — <t:1762707600:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Las Vegas Grand Prix — <t:1763784000:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Qatar Grand Prix — <t:1764518400:f>
‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ ‎ Abu Dhabi Grand Prix — <t:1765112400:f>

⏰ All dates above are shown in your local timezone

[vocal lark]

Kimi ftw in imola

[tribal vapor]

im from the future

[tribal vapor]

Abu Dhabi 25' will be a replication of Abu Dhabi 21'

But oscar wins the title

[tribal vapor]

i actually pray he wins

[vocal lark]

Oscar wins the title in Spa (very possible)

[tribal vapor]

or any other driver to make this season more entertaining than it already is

[hardy tundra]

Tyre degrade is high so McLaren do come in play again

[dapper plover]

an oscar-winning performance

[tribal vapor]

ba dum tis or something like that

[dapper plover]

what year is this?

[tribal vapor]

2025

[queen ibex]

Don't think Imola has very high tyre wear tbh

[dapper plover]

it's more ba dum ba dum ba dum ba dum dum dum tss

[hardy tundra]

It will cause a step softer compound and it’s gonna be hotter this year

[vocal lark]

Sorry, I'm living in 2030

[queen ibex]

Well they also brought a step softer compounds in Jeddah and Miami than last year but deg in both these two races wasn't very high

[dapper plover]

funnily enough, just checked

thought kimi had won in imola at some point but turns out he never won there

[hardy tundra]

It was very High in Miami not so much in Jeddah

Overheating in the merc and redbull were a constant issue

[queen ibex]

Tbh it didn't look like there was so much deg in Miami as everyone got away with one stop

[kind oracle]

according to me F1 should add a rule saying that no driver can be dropped before 12 races

and if they do they need to reduce their air tunnel timings by 30%

[pseudo quail]

Too intrusive. Drivers would just need to demand that in their contract instead

[hardy tundra]

Yeah but it was all tyre management only the leaders fought and just Williams(slightly)

[kind oracle]

bro no team is gonna do that imo

[fickle forum]

drivers who have been in F1 for years sometimes have such contracts i think

[pseudo quail]

If the driver can they would

[fickle forum]

like they paid perez a lot to leave

big bonus

[pseudo quail]

Yeah

Doohan probably had that as the reason they wouldn’t just fire him once colapinto was signed

[fickle forum]

but i think it's logic that rookies don't have those options yet

[dusky root]

Different situations. Perez had a fresh new contract Red Bull needed to buy out

Rumors claim Doohan's contract is a joke

[fickle forum]

live footage of jack's contract being made

https://tenor.com/view/andersomviolao-gif-12381443319241980618

[south heron]

chill guys with the Alpine hate, they're just taking it slow in improving their contract signing processes okay /s

give em time

[crimson hawk]

When’s the race

[south heron]

next week

[fickle forum]

remember the oscar situation

[south heron]

that's what I was referencing

[crimson hawk]

Praying Alonso doesn’t get dropped like doohan did

https://tenor.com/view/praying-crying-downfall-sad-tears-praying-gif-7785197299162436598

[fickle forum]

i hope they are smart enough to realize it's their garbage car

not like sauber

[south heron]

as much as I'd be rooting for Colapinto it'd be kinda funny if he ends up getting dropped as well and they put Aron in his place

[fickle forum]

alpine is learning from redbull

[fast fable]

Would be popcorn-grabbing moment watching the Alpine comments section having the great depressing meltdown.

[craggy widget]

watch logan fucking sargeant get put in the alpine

[south heron]

definitely

[south heron]

I'd take that tbh

but yeah I think Colapinto will stick around

[craggy widget]

i hope so

[fickle forum]

anything but sargeant

[craggy widget]

he looks kinda hot (no homo)

[south heron]

it's just Doohan got done so freaking dirty

[craggy widget]

nuh uh

freedom on top

[craggy widget]

FLAT OUT FULL DRS TURN 1 🔥

[fickle forum]

we already got miami until 2041, that's enough freedom

OI

[craggy widget]

😭

[fickle forum]

jesus_saw

[craggy widget]

how long do we have left with las vegas

they should bring back the hanoi gp

[fickle forum]

way too long

[south heron]

apparently he was able to do that in the sim so in this case the sim would've been inaccurate

[fast fable]

'Kay hear me out.
Sarge for Caddy.

[craggy widget]

then i can actually go watch

[craggy widget]

i mean

american team american driver

doesnt sound so bad

[pseudo quail]

Or they can try Aron since Hadjar has been historically good and aron was closer to him than colapinto got

[fickle forum]

really inaccurate then because even in F1 arcade edition you couldn't really do that

[craggy widget]

alpine needs a new simulator

they forgot to turn off assists

[vocal lark]

Just give them a thrustmaster, close enough

[craggy widget]

alpine next year after R&D for new regulations:

• OF and roblox as a sponsor
• xbox controller as steering wheel
• F1 arcade for simulator (already tested in suzuka)

[vocal lark]

Come on, an Xbox controller is too reliable
My suggestion: those 3d printed wheels you put on your controller

[craggy widget]

fr

[robust copper]

real tbh

[hybrid totem]

colapinto in for doohan in imola?

[robust copper]

tung tung tung tung sahur

[umbral talon]

its probably a money matter as well

colapinto has a whole lot of backing

both from sponsors and fans

means more money for alpine

just like carlos brought williams more money

some drivers pretty much pay themselves when you take that into consideration

doohan hasnt been doing horrible

but does he have as much backing?

also colapinto probably cost a whole lot to sign

[radiant pasture]

no, he does not. I know the Colapintos like to spread bullshit about his father buying his seat, but it's not the case. Yes, he is sponsored by his father's private jet company but that's about it; he has a collection of smaller sponsors but no real major ones

[umbral talon]

williams was asking for a hefty fee

[radiant pasture]

Whereas Mercado Libre were literally signed with a huge fanfare on the day of F175 launch

[umbral talon]

thats what im saying

[thin berry]

It being his father’s company is a huge help though they’re a lot less likely to drop him, it was the same with Latifi

[umbral talon]

definitely not

goatifi and mazepin were on another level

ultimate paydrivers

[radiant pasture]

sure, but they aren't putting the money in that Mercado is reportedly bringing for Colapinto. And the little companies like beforeyouspeak probably aren't bringing that much either

[radiant pasture]

Poor Latifi should not be mentioned in the same breath. He was by all accounts a genuinely pretty nice dude who was reasonably self-aware

[umbral talon]

true

mazespin was not only bad on track but elsewhere too

[thin berry]

Yeah Mazepin fully bullied Haas into signing him

[lyric rover]

It should’ve been Magnussen and Schumacher from the beginning

[south heron]

^^

[lyric rover]

And if the timeline went right, Schumacher and Bearman right now

[south heron]

yeah

or at least Schumacher at Sauber rn instead of Hulk

that name combination feels like something that should've happened long ago with his dad

[lyric rover]

Sometimes I forget how Mazepin earned his super license points

But Hitech have always had a fast car package in F2, so it doesn’t surprise me

[radiant pasture]

Mick probably would have done a lot better learning from a more experienced driver from the off, but it wouldn't have been enough to deal with Steiner's toxicity

[radiant pasture]

What a wholesome driver pairing that would be

[south heron]

also worth noting that Mazepin did shit in his first year in F2

[south heron]

dude ikr

not that Ocon and Bearman isn't but Mick and Bearman would've hit different

[lyric rover]

While his teammate, who was already mid, won the championship

[south heron]

oh yea

2019 was a super weird year in F2

[radiant pasture]

golden retriever vibe pairing

[remote knoll]

I prefer Bearcon tbh

[south heron]

yeah lol

[lyric rover]

That top 3 was the middest it could get

[south heron]

dude Latifi was in that top 3 😭

[lyric rover]

No other combination of top 3 F2 finishers have ever been weaker

[south heron]

he's vibes yes but as a driver he was terrible

[radiant pasture]

de Vries, Latifi, and...what was his name? the Italian dude. He did like five years and kept saying on chasing the dream it was his last. Oh yeah, Gihotto.

[south heron]

yeah Ghiotto

the guy who was somehow more anonymous than Gio

[radiant pasture]

I just remember being halfway through the 2020 season of chasing the dream and he's still in interviews saying "I want to do well to get F1 teams to notice me" and I was like, my dude. You're in your fifth year. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO NOTICE YOU IN A GOOD WAY."

[south heron]

also fun fact: Latifi beat de Vries in 2017 and by 64 points at that

[south heron]

right??

[radiant pasture]

the signs really were all there that de Vries was a bad choice

[south heron]

even de Vries got more interest in his title winning year

[lyric rover]

I bet RFL would call him F1 material

[south heron]

indeed, including with the 2 titles he has managed to win

that 2020-21 FE season was a literal lottery

[radiant pasture]

Bit of a what if moment. What if Franz Tost had his way with the 2023 AT lineup

and Marko hadn't overruled him

[south heron]

who did he want for the vacant AT seat?

[lyric rover]

Wait no

Wrong person

[lyric rover]

THAT’s who.

[south heron]

oh he did want Mick

[lyric rover]

That wouldn’t be a bad choice

[south heron]

yeah that would've been interesting to see how it'd have played out

yeah

[south heron]

replace Perez with Bottas and you're good

[neat fern]

What’s wrong with Perez

[lyric rover]

Tost was one of the few TPs that caused zero controversy. I just wish he could’ve stood up for himself against Marko and Horner

[south heron]

well he fell off at Red Bull

[lyric rover]

Well

[neat fern]

Everybody is ass in that seat

[lyric rover]

I think we all saw it

[south heron]

worth reminding that he was kind of a hardass

[neat fern]

Look at his carrer

[radiant pasture]

Yeah, he wanted Mick alongside Yuki. He did a few interviews at the time where he said he believed rookies needed three years. But Marko overruled him because Marko was obsessed with de Vries and made up some crap about it being because Mick was affilated with the Ferrari program still (even though they were parting ways)

[south heron]

http://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/bxysag/i_dont_care_about_the_families_a_ruthless_franz/

[lyric rover]

Pérez was a multi time race winner with years of experience and did well in the previous cars. He had zero excuse

[south heron]

yeah idfk what went into Marko of all people to think de Vries was the next big talent

[lyric rover]

I assume he looked at his Williams debut (which was overrated)

[south heron]

it was

that was 100% the reason why he even had a chance

[remote knoll]

Franz Tost said drivers shouldn't make more than 10 million a year

Who said that?

[south heron]

the hype around him after that race was uhhhh

yeah

[remote knoll]

French Toast

who is that

that interview is the only reason why I know franz tost

[south heron]

jeez

[remote knoll]

https://youtu.be/WOMBTTIfQ5c?si=3WNqqTaSEDmFlIR8

the interviewer was caught of guard lmao

[south heron]

peak response tbh

ok he genuinely didn't know who he was but still

https://racingnews365.com/former-boss-lashes-out-at-lazy-f1-staff even this year he's called F1 mechanics "too lazy" like 🙄

[remote knoll]

bruh

[south heron]

just because they don't complain doesn't mean that they don't hate it

[remote knoll]

All of a sudden I don't like this guy

[south heron]

yeah he's a complete old-fashioned tool

[remote knoll]

He is a prime example of old heads

"back in my dayyy we moved the pyramids every day

[south heron]

he's also said in 2022 that F1 drivers should go home if the cars are too stiff for them

[next heron]

marko got lucky with max and thinks hes always right

[remote knoll]

he needs to zip it

[south heron]

well he has promoted lots of juniors who ended up becoming solid drivers before and after Max

it's just with de Vries that his judgment lapsed hard

[south heron]

well he's retired now so yapping is all he can do now

[next heron]

why not? they spent much more than that on their junior careers on their way to f1 didnt they?

[south heron]

well F1 is still a dangerous sport

if I were one of them I'd be more than happy to earn a lot too for risking my life like this 24 times a year

[next heron]

the f2 lineup in which de vries and latifi competed in were terrible

[south heron]

it was

[next heron]

if you think about it it really isnt that much dangerous, well it is but not deadly(barely)

still

the payment is justified

they spend buttloads on their journey to F1

[south heron]

yeah

[astral hound]

Two words Max

[remote knoll]

that's 3 words

[pseudo quail]

Could’ve just been looking at who Toto was watching. And then as soon as he realized Toto wouldn’t drop any Merc driver for max, he gave max the Toro rosso seat so Toto couldn’t have him

[hushed olive]

Russell is the new max (Pre 2021)

[pseudo quail]

None of the hunger or recklessness that has helped max tho

[next heron]

i need to see max and antonelli

in a single team

that was my lineup in f1 manager

[remote knoll]

too bad Max is never switching teams

boring icl

[south heron]

agreed

[vale gorge]

I mean he’s loyal to Red Bull. He’s been with them for over 10 years I believe

[remote knoll]

yes

[hushed olive]

Like Lewis did with merc

[remote knoll]

and it's a shame that he'll never go to another team before retiring

[remote knoll]

At least Lewis was in McLaren first

Max has just been in the RedBull family for his entire F1 career

[south heron]

yup

[vale gorge]

I mean you never know

Everyone thought Hamilton would retire at Mercedes

[remote knoll]

The difference is Hamilton has been at another team

Max has not

[vale gorge]

Still

Hamilton was at Mercedes for what 12 years? That’s longer than Max has been in F1

[south heron]

12 seasons yes

[remote knoll]

Yeah and Lewis had the fastest cars for almost all of those seasons

[pseudo quail]

Similar to Hamilton being at McLaren from junior career to 2012

[remote knoll]

No reason to leave

[vale gorge]

Max had no reason to leave until recently either

[pseudo quail]

Max doesn’t sound like he’s that loyal to the team

Just to Marko maybe?

[remote knoll]

The situation is different

[vale gorge]

The form of the team has gone down a lot in recent months

How is it different?

[hushed olive]

Hamilton was involved in the title fight from 2014 all the way to 2021

[remote knoll]

Max has only had a championship car in 2021

he was already in F1 for 6 seasons atp

Lewis has had a championship car between 2014 and 2021

[vale gorge]

A championship winner at a team for a long time, the team starts to go downhill and the car isn’t as good anymore

[remote knoll]

His longevity makes sense

[vale gorge]

It’s not as long sure but it doesn’t make Max any less likely to move

[hushed olive]

Rb21 rn is like 2022 mercedes

[remote knoll]

Uh no

[vale gorge]

The current red bull is like the 3rd or 4th fastest car

[remote knoll]

2nd fastest

[vale gorge]

It is not 2nd fastest lol

[remote knoll]

It is

[vale gorge]

McLaren is fastest

[remote knoll]

Yes

[vale gorge]

Then along comes Mercedes

Then Red Bull

[remote knoll]

No

[pseudo quail]

Merc is stable but not the same peak as Redbull

[vale gorge]

If it was that fast, where’s Tsunoda?

[remote knoll]

Struggling to drive the car

[vale gorge]

Max just outdrives all or most of the issues

[remote knoll]

as all of Max's teammates have been

[vale gorge]

Because it’s bad and not fast

[hushed olive]

Merc is 2nd fastest at Best and 3rd at worst

Rb is nearly fastest at Best but 4th at worst

[remote knoll]

No because it's hard to drive but fast

A car doesn't need to be easy to drive to be fast

common misconception

[vale gorge]

Max makes the difference

Dear Lord

[remote knoll]

you can't outdrive your car

[pseudo quail]

You could say max is the benchmark rather than outperforming a made-up benchmark

[remote knoll]

That doesn't make any sense

[vale gorge]

If you can’t drive the car then you can’t drive faster

[hushed olive]

Red bull was only Bad in bahrain

[remote knoll]

Doesn't mean the car is slow?

Just because Mahaveer can't drive the W11 doesn't mean it's slow

Max shows what the car is capable of

[hushed olive]

put mazepin in the 2016 merc and he wouldnt make it to q3

[remote knoll]

he extracts everything out of it

that is all a driver can do

[vale gorge]

Max can predict when the car is ‘going to have a moment’ to put it in simple terms. He drives around the issue and makes the difference

If you watch his laps at Suzuka you can see it clearly

[remote knoll]

Yeah the car has an issue but drivability doesn't slow a car down

it just slows the driver

[vale gorge]

It does though

If it doesn’t turn into a corner or it snaps at certain corners you’re going to go slower

[remote knoll]

Lando Norris has been struggling with the car but it's still fastest

[vale gorge]

That’s a car issue and takes away the cars performance

[remote knoll]

it's hard to drive but is it slow?

[vale gorge]

And he’s up there proving it’s fastest

[pseudo quail]

He can’t out drive it like the way you suggest. It’s why he lost out in Miami. The peak of the car just is really hard to reach, but that’s what Max is good at

[remote knoll]

But if the car has the pace then it can be extracted given the skill of the driver

[vale gorge]

Dear god

[remote knoll]

Hard to drive does not = slow

Max proves that

If you make the Sauber easier to drive than the RedBull it still won't be quicker

[unique turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMKJFjmNJqc

[hushed olive]

Rb21 is like Mercedes 2022

Fast but hard to drive and setup

[remote knoll]

Sure it affects your comfort levels but a driver should be able to adapt

not everything is gonna be sweet

Out driving a car is literally impossible

you can only go 100%

if you go over 100% you crash

you cannot create more grip lol

[pseudo quail]

Whose channel is that

Sounds fake

[cyan nimbus]

almost got tricked

[fossil goblet]

💀

[remote knoll]

This is miami gp bruv

or imola gp

[fossil goblet]

Rockstar games legit js uploaded it 2 hours ago

[remote knoll]

shit

[cyan nimbus]

imolaaahhh

[fossil goblet]

And wrong channel.

[pseudo quail]

I looked up the channel just because the official rockstar account wasn’t posted

[cyan nimbus]

fr

[fossil goblet]

I think you mean Gran Premio dell'Emilia-Romagna

[pseudo quail]

Isn’t there an msc cruises bit

[fossil goblet]

(I sound like a Nerd damn)

[fossil goblet]

We are checking

We will come back to you

[vital shadow]

The w13 was not fast

[cyan nimbus]

you are

[fossil goblet]

ouch

[remote knoll]

The only race I'd say where RedBull were slower than Mercedes was Bahrain

Bahrain was horrid for RB

[cyan nimbus]

🥀

[fossil goblet]

Finally people talking sense 😭

Cause I've seen soo many people saying Red Bull are 10th fastest and it's js Max

Like bro

[remote knoll]

I don't understand how someone thinks that drivers can just pull more grip out of their ass

driving does not work like that lol

[fossil goblet]

I respect Max a lot and completely agree he's one of the greatest there is

[remote knoll]

you work with what you have

and only with what you have

[fossil goblet]

Also it's built around him

Obviously he knows how to tame that car

[remote knoll]

some Max fans will try to convince you of that

[fossil goblet]

The car isn't better than Mclaren, like the quali lap was max taking out every last bit of pace available from the car

[remote knoll]

"erm actually the rb19 was 5th fastest in 2023, max is just that fast :nerd"

[fossil goblet]

But to say he would win in the Sauber

Like

Nah

[remote knoll]

Literally doesn't work like that

[fossil goblet]

FOR FUCKING REAL

[vital shadow]

agree

[remote knoll]

I think qualifying the top 3 are pretty close but in the race McLaren storms off

[fossil goblet]

Agreed

Especially Miami with Mclaren being super good on their tire cooking + it being a warm race

Mclarens advantage in higher track temps is UNREAP

*UNREAL

[remote knoll]

I don't know why people use Tsunoda when they define the pace of the car

ah yes use the slower driver

[vital shadow]

Max is a great driver but all his team work for him not for the second driver

[fossil goblet]

The car is built around Max, he has a super extreme driving style

Red Bull need to stop complaining about their second driver and make a car that suits both of them.

SIMPLE.

[fossil goblet]

EXACTLY

[pseudo quail]

Could say it for the rb20 though. He wasn’t winning in the middle when the car did suck even for hits abilities

[remote knoll]

Yeah they need to balance speed with drivability

[fossil goblet]

Exactly

Ngl (I'm gonna get a lot of shit for this)

This is the first time in a long long time I've actually seen the chat be talking sense here

Cause I see a lot of times when some people js say stuff which is outright..

Like I'm convinced half the people here don't even watch shit and then make their opinions

[remote knoll]

Yeah it's hard talking to some people sometimes

but a lot of them are trolls

Every once in a while the chat is actually being sensible

[olive mortar]

NASCAR is finally bringing back the finale to Homestead Miami

[molten saffron]

People need to stop saying this. Redbull team members have said this isn't true. The car was built for being as fast as possible, and was just inherently a bit more biased towards Max's driving style because the car was sharp and quick. The SETUP of the car however is definitely built around max. That has been confirmed even by RB this year when they put Yuki on a softer setup for the Japenese GP so that the car didn't overwhelm him and he didn't have to worry about the setup.

The car itself and the setup are two very different things, and cannot be used as interchangeably as people seem to think

[thin berry]

It’s simply not how things work in F1, the driver is just an employee, they don’t get to dictate the car.
F1 is a team sport and a constructor championship, it does not revolve around the drivers as much as you think

[atomic nova]

how does the mclaren server have more members than rhe f1 sever 😂

[thin berry]

I don’t think it does

Oh nvm

[molten saffron]

Yea it does

Not by much though

If you dont believe me, Brrrake worked with checo and max

[remote knoll]

Oversteery cars are just fast

[fossil goblet]

Well, it for sure is.

Js listen to Albon's interviews

It's built around Max's driving style and there's no denying that

[molten saffron]

Yes the setup

NOT THE CAR

[fossil goblet]

All teams build their cars around the lead drivers

[fossil goblet]

The car.

Ty

[molten saffron]

All of the second drivers have used Max's setup because it's always faster

[molten saffron]

Thats just 100% wrong

[fossil goblet]

It's back to being the other way so imma js dip

[molten saffron]

Don't comment on stuff like this if you have no technical knowledge

This theory has been disproven

If you dont believe facts then go argue with a wall

[remote knoll]

Yeah and of course a setup will be "built" around the driver since it's literally based off of their feedback

[remote knoll]

I don't think you can just ignore this @fossil goblet

[fossil goblet]

Finally chats back to being sensible

[fossil goblet]

Never denied that

[molten saffron]

Adrian newey didn't look at max and say "lets build the car only for you"

Thats just not how it works

[fossil goblet]

Red Bull keep adding more front end as the season progresses (in the past seasons)

Like Albon said

[remote knoll]

It's fast

[molten saffron]

Drivers don't even have feedback in that stage of development

[fossil goblet]

And that makes the car suit Max more and more

Takes it away from the other driver

[fossil goblet]

And hard to drive

Depends on the driving style

[remote knoll]

Hard to drive is typically fast

[fossil goblet]

Checo for eg liked an understeery car

[fossil goblet]

But not for every driver

[molten saffron]

Yes, and more front end is setup changes... literally different front wings

[fossil goblet]

I think you forgot driving styles exist

[fossil goblet]

Which harms the driver in Red Bull's second seat

Cause let's face it Max has the most aggressive driving style

[remote knoll]

well what is hard to drive changes per driver

[fossil goblet]

He likes a VERY pointy front end which is faster but not everyone can handle it

It's not that hard to understand

[fossil goblet]

Exactly

Now taking checo for eg, he prefers understeer

Js listen to what Albon said about this, I don't have the energy to argue about it now

[molten saffron]

I never denied that, but your claim that the car itself is built for max is just wrong... yes the setup is built for him because he's fast with it, and the setup is changing parts of the car, but the base car itself developed in the team HQ with the wind tunnel and simulations isn't specifically developed for one driver.

Youre not wrong per se, it's just the word you're using

[neat latch]

I hate the built around driver narrative because people blame Alonso for making teams slower when that's clearly not fucking true, but it's very unlucky

[molten saffron]

If you refer to the car when talking about how it's setup, it's confusing and not technically correct

[neat latch]

He has been unlucky almost his entire career, hopefully 2026 atleast he can finish high

[remote knoll]

and setup can make a huge difference

[molten saffron]

For sure

[remote knoll]

I just wanted to say something so I felt like I was contributing 😔

[molten saffron]

The Williams were quick this weekend because they had a good setup

Along with a better base setup that sainz has helped with

[fossil goblet]

So we mean Sauber would have be fighting at the front if they had a good setup? Like the car pace doesn't matter

[remote knoll]

To be honest this discussion is better than people saying that Max is pushing a car that is 9th fastest to the podium

[molten saffron]

No

[fossil goblet]

That I agree with

[remote knoll]

So I'm grateful

[fossil goblet]

FOR REAL

[molten saffron]

The williams aero team has definitely made major improvements to the car, then sainz helped with the setup

[fossil goblet]

I might have worded some stuff wrong cause English isn't my first language but teams do develop their car around their leading driver

Legit no arguments about that

[fossil goblet]

Mainly reducing the weight and making the car less slippery and better everywhere

Remember back in 2022 when they were super slippery and quick at circuits like Monza and shit at aero focussed tracks

[molten saffron]

Yes I agree they develop it but I think we're saying the setup. When teams make a base car all they consider is aero and speed

They dont consider the drivers until the drivers test it and give feedback

[fossil goblet]

Considering we're at the end of these regs, the car has been developed around Max soo far

[molten saffron]

Then they adjust the setup and the wings and stuff

[fossil goblet]

And him having the aggressive driving style, he's legit the only one who can tame that car and extract all the page

[molten saffron]

And develop new ones

[fossil goblet]

*pace

red bull are NOT SLOW

It's hard to drive

But the kind that Max likes

[molten saffron]

Very true

[fossil goblet]

Not as much as last year's car, it's extreme and on a knife edge now

But you can't deny it favours Max's driving style more than others

Put anyone else in the Red Bull and when max is on pole, they'd be MAXIMUM P5-7 (even Charles or Oscar)

[remote knoll]

it favours it but not on purpose

[fossil goblet]

Oh yes on purpose

And don't blame Red Bull for that

You develop the car around the driver that can get u the championship

That's the basic principle

[remote knoll]

You build the fastest car possible and then tweak things with the setup

[fossil goblet]

Red Bull won't develop the car around yuki's driving style for eg surely

[molten saffron]

Again, Adrian newey didn't design the base car for max, BUT he heavily changed the setup of the car with Max and Maxs team

[fossil goblet]

And those setups or new bits favour one driver more than the other

Cause driving styles are a sensitive matter

[remote knoll]

Yeah and setups are based on driver feedback

[fossil goblet]

And that does affect ur teammate in some way as well

[remote knoll]

some drivers are better than setting up cars than other

[fossil goblet]

Like if Red Bull adds more front end to the car

Max gets quicker and quicker

And the second seat driver struggles more and more

Cause again Max hass a unique and aggressive driving style

He can handle an oversteery car much much better than everyone

[remote knoll]

because that's how Max likes his cars set up

[fossil goblet]

No doubt that's quicker but it's harder to drive

Exactly

You're literally just saying what I'm saying

Idk what we're disagreeing about then?

[molten saffron]

I think were saying the same thing but you're saying car and not setup 😅

[remote knoll]

Each driver has their own setup

[fossil goblet]

Cause setup is a more "one side of the garage did something else and other did something else thing"

You have a car at the start of the season

And you develop it

Based on feedback from one lead driver

Max here

[remote knoll]

a setup changes per race

[fossil goblet]

So the development is based on Max's feedback and his driving style is extreme

[fossil goblet]

I'm Not Talking about setups

In taking about xdevelopment of a car"

And that's definitely around the lead driver

There's no argument about that

[molten saffron]

Let me see how I can explain this... when teams first develop the car at the start of the season with the chassis (front + rear wings, side pods, chassis itself) they design it only using their wind tunnel and simulations. They don't take driver feedback at all. The drivers have nothing to do with the initial car creation. Then, once the teams and drivers get the car out on track, the aerodynamicist and driver work together the change the setup (angle of front and rear wings, suspension, toe, etc.). Then, at the end of each race, the aerodynamicist and driver send feedback and data back to the factory with proposed changes, and the aerodynamics team at the factory change the wings or side pods or whatever, put it in the wind tunnel and simulations, and determine how they can make it work to make the car faster. So, in short, the team DOES NOT create the car around either driver, but the DO create new parts and setups based on the drivers and teams feedback.

[remote knoll]

lets see what dreamin just cooked

been typing for a hot 2 months

[molten saffron]

Lol

[alpine meadow]

HUH ⁉️

[snow swan]

Yeah, That's what I meant didn't found the words to express it at that moment.

[fossil goblet]

They develop the car around a particular around their #1 driver

And that's facts

Too bad you had to write a thesis about make the car around a driver

[neat fern]

Wasn’t this a thing since he posted??

[molten saffron]

Alright im leaving this conversation you clearly can't understand a simple thing but whatever

[remote knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-meme-confused-gif-24780938

[molten saffron]

Go interview a redbull car development person then get back to me

[snow swan]

I know I am late, but I noticed something in this photo, this was his photo at marenello,Italy.
I believe it was one of his first photos at ferrari.

This has 8windows 7 of them are closed and the 8th one is open.

[cyan saffron]

Windows 8

[snow swan]

Bruh.

[lethal bramble]

Yes its a cute nod to Hamilton's pursuit of that 8th WDC

[cyan saffron]

yeah

[snow swan]

Ironical considering ferrari is fighting with their customer team HAAS currently.

[lethal bramble]

Crazy to think there was a warehouse somewhere deep in England with thousands of "8 TIME WORLD CHAMPION" Mercedes shirts in it

and now those shirts will never see the light of day, Lewis left Merc and Puma ended the collab

[molten saffron]

Ill go find them

[snow swan]

I mean they would be sensible enough to produce these posters or merch when the driver actually wins it.

[remote knoll]

It's actually quite an interesting topic though, I'd like to learn more about it

[snow swan]

Noticed this just now, I thought it would be good to share here.

[lethal bramble]

You wouldn't be able to meet demand then
For example see how quickly the M4X cap and flags came out at the Las Vegas GP last year
You think they stitched that after he crossed the finish line?

[remote knoll]

Does Brrrake have like a podcast or a youtube

[molten saffron]

Maybe I'll send mikey them an email, get it printed out

[snow swan]

Yes you have a point.

[pseudo quail]

There’s probably a warehouse of stroll’s 1st win shirts then

[molten saffron]

https://youtube.com/@brrrake?si=OIPaCGkFjBBV1C1v

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRJH7t-E4ULRF2edp5Iva0Ktc66Rb5eGJ&si=Efn17K7eSBFhrf0D

[remote knoll]

oh lets go

[molten saffron]

If you want i can give you the link to his discord too

[snow swan]

Then there must be shirts for Fillipe Massa 2008 too, all went to waste probably.

[remote knoll]

uhhhhh

sure

dunno if i'll join though

[molten saffron]

🤷‍♂️

Hes currently working with Cadillac imsa so he's not online as much

[remote knoll]

oh that's sick

[neat fern]

💀💀💀 they celebrated too

[halcyon delta]

when is the gp?

[lethal bramble]

Sunday

[halcyon delta]

thanks mate

[lethal bramble]

18th May, so no race next week

[neat fern]

No next week

[halcyon delta]

dawg what

now im confused

oh

nvm

race is next week

[lethal bramble]

No its next to next week

[neat fern]

Race weekend is next week

Not this sunday

[lethal bramble]

This Sunday was 2 days ago so its next to next week

[neat fern]

💀💀💀 what

This Sunday is on Sunday this week

Last Sunday is 2 days ago

[lethal bramble]

This Sunday is This week's Sunday which was 2 days ago

Next Sunday is this Sunday on the 11th of May

and Next to next Sunday is on the 18th when we have Imola

[surreal flower]

That was last sunday 😭

This sunday is yet to come 😭

And next sunday is gp

[snow swan]

Long gap between the gps

[lethal bramble]

This Sunday I woke up today in this Sunday in the Sunday I woke up this Sunday I woke up and remember that every Sunday that I wake up I woke up that fucking sunday just remember that

[spare glacier]

im more of a saturday person myself

also this https://www.formula1.com/en/video/dhl-fastest-pit-stop-2025-miami-grand-prix.1831286162974566560
Sauber 🔥

[finite hearth]

in a kick sauber

that is unfuckingbelievable

[halcyon delta]

woah

what

[valid hull]

Has doohan officially been sacked?

[queen ibex]

From what I heard it's not official yet but should be announced soon

[valid hull]

Fuck

[still remnant]

Ferrari will bring upgrades it will be faster?

[ornate gate]

Tf did Doohan do

[glass aspen]

Nothing and that’s the problem

[still remnant]

Someone stole his footprint

[glass aspen]

Ferrari has strategy issues. The car doesn’t have the pace but also the strategy

[queen ibex]

Briatore moment

[still remnant]

They had good strategy in the sprint" hamilton had a good strategy"

[valid hull]

Do poorly in like 3 races? That’s with sprints included and also got p13 in a race so he really was just doohan ok, doohan pretty good if you ask me

[glass aspen]

No strategy when you don’t need to pit lol

[ornate gate]

Idk why they're so concerned with rushing rookie drivers out rn

[still remnant]

I think in this year they can win a race cmon

[ornate gate]

What's the plan after they do so

Sign another rookie driver and be shocked when he doesn't win in an Alpine?

[valid hull]

Yep

[queen ibex]

The good call was made by Hamilton himself, not by Ferrari strategists

[still remnant]

At least we got a intelligent driver

Then why ferrari did so much hype for a slow car like that

Then they didnt say that this car will fight the championship?

[gleaming dagger]

In Imola yeah

[gleaming dagger]

You'll get used to this

Ferrari has hype every season

This season was special because Hamilton joined

[still remnant]

Isnt emilia romagna gp imola?

[gleaming dagger]

It is

[still remnant]

I was scared bcos im going go see it

I live near

[gleaming dagger]

Have fun there

[still remnant]

Thanks but for me mugello was better

[dusky root]

to be blatantly honest, and setting my feelings aside for a sec, they never really said they'll be fighting for a championship this season

[gleaming dagger]

Aura-farming does its thing

[dusky root]

the amount of aura farming they did for hamilton arriving and the good results towards the end of last season really just set the tone for the championship battle hype

[still remnant]

Yes but for a top team is normal to fight for the championship and now in miami they are slower than williams?

[gleaming dagger]

Yeah because everyone was expecting for them to carry the momentum from last season

[dusky root]

It's Ferrari

[dusky root]

then that's on us

they did say the car is 99% new

we just took that as a good sign

we got cooked

[still remnant]

Its ferrari i watch f1 since 2017 and they did good

[dusky root]

oh yeah 2019 was amazing

so was 2020

2021 was a true championship challenge

2022 was absolute masterclass from the team

[gleaming dagger]

2019 was top notch compared to 2020, and 2021

[still remnant]

2022 not enough reliable

[dusky root]

and it was still ass

we got 3 wins, whole lotta complaints, and an engine nerf

[gleaming dagger]

I'd rather have a podium or P4-P5 than one car barely making the top 10

[dusky root]

that for sure

but we can't be lying to ourselves with the good old "Ferrari wasnt this bad"

it was, but the car masked it

[still remnant]

Grass is green💔

[dusky root]

Now that the car isn't fight worthy at all we're truly seeing the ferrari management masterclass

[gleaming dagger]

I don't think there'll be much improvement in 2026

[still remnant]

My dad watch f1 since niki lauda first championship and ferrari was good now he is really dissapointed

[dusky root]

we can only pray the car is competitive and Vasseur grows the balls to get rid of some "key" components

like the entire strategy team and Adami

[gleaming dagger]

The car should be competitive

The deficit will be the engine

Mercedes is expected to be better

[dusky root]

We thought the same about this year, I'm setting no expectations

[still remnant]

I think it does if the power unit is 70% engine and 30 electric

[dusky root]

All we know is Ferrari denied any sort of "lagging behind" claims engine wise

they're happy it seems

[gleaming dagger]

They have put a lot of effort and money into it

I don't think that'll go for nothing

[gleaming dagger]

It's a 50/50 with the new regulations

[dusky root]

Surely hope it won't

[still remnant]

Still not sure

[dusky root]

I think they're discussing changing that

[still remnant]

Yes

[still remnant]

And guess who doesnt want to change that

Mercedes

[dusky root]

I think Mercedes was the one that proposed the change

[gleaming dagger]

Ferrari's internal policy is to have Italian staff

Unlikely for them to change their staff anytime soon

[still remnant]

Nope it was ferrari and redbull i think?

[dusky root]

Ferrari's been extremely quiet

[gleaming dagger]

Unless that dude called John Elkann gets out of the circus

[dusky root]

Red Bull had the same complaints mercedes pointed at during the early stages of development

[gleaming dagger]

Yep

[still remnant]

Idc about 2026 i waiting for v10 regulation that will 100% help ferrari

[dusky root]

having italian staff only doesnt really mean keeping the current people

[gleaming dagger]

It won't

[still remnant]

It will help

[dusky root]

V10s won't help nor happen

[gleaming dagger]

You're right, it makes it worse

[dusky root]

and I dont think there's such a policy

[still remnant]

It will ferrari is still impriving v12/v10 tech

[dusky root]

Ferrari hasn't made a V10 in ages

And the V12 is still just a rework of the old ones

on the road cars that is

[gleaming dagger]

There's literally a lot of pages that have reported Ferrari has favouritism for Italians and they even have had lawsuits against them

[still remnant]

But they are more used to v10

[gleaming dagger]

V10 has minimal use in road cars

[dusky root]

They're based in Italy, they'll obviously hire more italians

[gleaming dagger]

No use in road cars ≠ No data to gather on how the V10 behaves

[dusky root]

and I dont really see an issue with it

[still remnant]

What if the regulation is similat to 2000s

[dusky root]

why would they do that

[gleaming dagger]

The point is that's what's holding them back

[dusky root]

you speak as if italians dont know how to build a car

[gleaming dagger]

In the 2000's they had international staff and they won 5 championships

[gleaming dagger]

There should be from multiple nationalities

Not only Italians

[dusky root]

I genuinely dont think that affects car development at all

[still remnant]

Its the spirit of the team

[dusky root]

It took an italian to fix mclaren

(Shoutout Stella)

[gleaming dagger]

That Italian used to work for Ferrari

[dusky root]

exactly

[still remnant]

What about that italian that help mercedes to win championships

[gleaming dagger]

Who?

[still remnant]

I dont remember like the one that his wife died much years ago

Bro my memory sucks

[queen ibex]

Could that be Simone Resta?

[still remnant]

Sorry i dont remember

[dusky root]

Resta joined mercedes fairly recently

[queen ibex]

For some reason I thought he was at Mercedes, left and then rejoined recently

[dusky root]

Could be for all I know, I don't really keep up with what staff goes where or does what unless it's them leaving Ferrari

which is exactly what he did

[gleaming dagger]

Ferrari got a new technical chief after last season

Who isn't Italian

Think Vasseur signed him

[still remnant]

Vassoio in this year said too much caps

[dusky root]

What I don't like about Vasseur is the way he handles the struggle

or at least how he answers questions about it in interviews

[still remnant]

Vassoio*

[gleaming dagger]

Handles it better than Binotto in the very least

[dusky root]

Not to me

[still remnant]

"Car has potential" no it doesnt💔

[dusky root]

If the car was shit, Binotto would say it

[gleaming dagger]

Vasseur doesn't go and spit out some random crap saying "no reason we can't win the next 10 races"

[dusky root]

Vasseur will always find a way to go around the problem by saying "we got potential we just dont know where"

while the drivers, on a whole different tone, keep reassuring there's none of that potential

[still remnant]

Ferrari needs newey

[gleaming dagger]

It's not Newey who's needed

[dusky root]

I think the car will be sorted out for next year, it's everything else that needs some help too

[gleaming dagger]

We already had 2022

[still remnant]

We will fight for p20🙌❤️🤓❤️

[dusky root]

Nah I doubt it

[queen ibex]

"Next year" mentioned 😭

[dusky root]

I mean, that's when the new reg cycle hits

What we're doing now is pretty much a whole lot of testing for next season

[still remnant]

Yeah we will be slower than the sf1000

[dusky root]

too bad it's all going terribly

[gleaming dagger]

I hope you're right

[dusky root]

I'm speculating on the basis of hopium

but there'd honestly be no other reason to change suspension and transmission philosophy on the last year of a reg cycle

although some believe the SF24 just hit the fan with development potential

[little sparrow]

vasseur still believes we just have to unlock the potential of the “car”

[sharp hull]

What's happening

[little sparrow]

🤣😭

The car has NO potential

time to start taking accountability and get to work

Else goodbye mr fred

[still remnant]

you have to unlock the next zone ahh vassoio💔

[sharp hull]

Bring me back to 2024😭

[fickle forum]

they need a bono or gp

[still remnant]

Or 2022 whitout reability issues

[little sparrow]

adami just isnt it

for lewis

dont think it’ll get better

[fickle forum]

it will get better but it won't be good if you know what i mean

[still remnant]

Crazy how lewis destroyed his career after he see how vettel was going

[fickle forum]

miami was pretty much the lowest a team could go

[sharp hull]

They should have hired Bono since he was Lewis's engineer since 2013

[still remnant]

I dont know my footprint says we can be lower

[little sparrow]

bono wont go anywhere now

Pretty sure hes still enjoying merc and being kimis engineer

[little sparrow]

I just hope lewis will push for change at ferrari

to finally get the team on the right path

Or atleast try

instead of just accepting everything

[still remnant]

Martin

[dusky root]

That's technically what he's getting paid 100m a year for

So far, he hasn't done much

[fickle forum]

i mean the team can access the internet they have seen all the memes and hate the past few years

[still remnant]

He have enough money for live for the rest of his life cmon guys

[little sparrow]

not much u can do when your team is slower than the williams

[fickle forum]

they should've already changed

[little sparrow]

they lack accountability

(Vasseur and the rest of the engineers etc)

[dusky root]

There's other areas he can help improve other than the car

Rather than come on radio and cry, to then have to justify his words later

[little sparrow]

those things take time

[little sparrow]

so he should accept this all then?

[dusky root]

Yeah I don't deny that

[little sparrow]

He should be direct to the team

[dusky root]

I'm saying the exact opposite

[little sparrow]

although I might actually agree on the radio part

[dusky root]

By also adding he should actively guide the team a different direction, something Leclerc genuinely could never have done

[little sparrow]

Hope it happens

[still remnant]

Leclerc is fast and very good but if he doesnt say the truth at his team is hard to fight for championship

[little sparrow]

But the drivers can only do so much when their own TP believes that the car is good but they need to “unlock” the potential

just a matter of lack of accountability

[dusky root]

I don't see Charles as capable of leading the team at any point in his career (outside of the car that is)

[still remnant]

Thats why lewis is useful he has champion mind

[dusky root]

Yup

[little sparrow]

Hopefully this all changes in 2026

[still remnant]

2 years in ferrari is enough to wake their ass up

[little sparrow]

Cause i dont believe 25 will get better

[dusky root]

2025 is set to be a filler episode to be honest

[still remnant]

Maybe in monza we will get a podium

[little sparrow]

If 2026 is another ferrari failure

Then the higher ups should all resign

Take responsibility and leave

[still remnant]

I going go watch wec so i can see my fav team winning

[little sparrow]

But we’ll see

[still remnant]

I think 2026 will be a big flop

Bigger than the sf-14-t

[little sparrow]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[still remnant]

We will see but is nearly 20 years we dont have a championship

[manic holly]

DOOHAN GOT DUMPED

COLAPINTO REPLACING

[still remnant]

Say "wha?" If you are a predator

[manic holly]

wha?

[still remnant]

Got you

[golden canyon]

confirmed?

ffs

this was yesterday

wtf where have i been

[finite hearth]

it was about time

[golden canyon]

NO IT WASNT

doohan was alr

[neat fern]

YES IT WAS

[golden canyon]

BRO 5 RACES

[neat fern]

1 RACE TOO LATE

[golden canyon]

he coulda scored in bahrain if memory serves

[neat fern]

im just kidding with you

but we all know he was getting replaced

[golden canyon]

so unfair

[night delta]

but not this soon though😭

[neat fern]

his contract litterally said 6 races

[golden canyon]

fucking alpine

didnt they sign his 2025 contract beofre they signed colapinto at all

[neat fern]

well they bought colapinto from willimas before

[golden canyon]

fr?

[neat fern]

pretty sure

[golden canyon]

wasnt he signed in like jan

[neat fern]

who?

[golden canyon]

franco

[neat fern]

yes this was when it was confirmed

[finite hearth]

bro are you kidding 💀

[golden canyon]

so this was may

holy hsit its may

I GOT EXAMS

[golden canyon]

alr man what did u expect

[neat fern]

too bad

[golden canyon]

eh car

[finite hearth]

bro was outperformed by a SAUBER

[golden canyon]

what in miami?

[neat fern]

idk what lawson is doin in f1 tbh

[finite hearth]

in any aspect

any race

whatsoever

[golden canyon]

well thats not true

surely

[golden canyon]

no options

and he was good in dtm

[finite hearth]

he may not be bad but he is not prepared for f1

[neat fern]

retire

[golden canyon]

nah i mean for redbull

[finite hearth]

he still lacks performance

[golden canyon]

who else did they have in their pool

[finite hearth]

can’t pick up any race pace at all

[neat fern]

lawson was their worst option