monaco-gp

[twin glade]

Yup, especially as the top teams seem to be leaning into a bit more team orders recently (or, at least more publicly)

[wicked vortex]

I seriously forgot 💀

[golden narwhal]

like my man was probably fuming that he kept losing

[twin glade]

@maiden prism there's context to this, we were talking about teammate altercations on track

[maiden prism]

-press K1
-yes leave it to me please
Don’t know about that honestly

[naive crater]

Lewis didn’t Qual Pole Position 😭

[maiden prism]

Oh Hamilton and rosberg i remember

[golden narwhal]

ofc its a ferrari

[wicked vortex]

its a shytbox

[modern pivot]

DHJSGNEG

[golden narwhal]

time and time again

[wicked vortex]

Friends for life

[golden narwhal]

niki lauda is still right

[maiden prism]

Ferrari pride is killer

[golden narwhal]

all those facilities and they make a piece of crap

[maiden prism]

(I’m a Ferrari fan veteran)

[modern pivot]

she doesn't know a single F1 driver

[golden narwhal]

though tbh

their facilities probably arent advanced

rn

not to mclaren's level

[wicked vortex]

Show her a picture of carlos sainz and she'll know one for life

[maiden prism]

even if they were, their whole staff and strategies are ass

why do you think Hamilton got p1

[golden narwhal]

cause mclaren fucked

[chrome lynx]

nepotism

[wicked vortex]

"leave me to it"
leave me alone

[maiden prism]

They left him alone

[golden narwhal]

why ferrari not just

stay simple

tire dead then change tires

rain then change tires

[maiden prism]

Well that yeah and the fact he didn’t pit so they never could do anything

[chrome lynx]

was anyone listening to their audio stream? did they leave him alone?

[golden narwhal]

no more rain change tires

[maiden prism]

no

[golden narwhal]

thats guaranteed to be correct

[wicked vortex]

Listen man..
come close, come closer
||k1 is available||

[chrome lynx]

ohhhhh

[maiden prism]

they never left Carlos alone what’d you think they’d do to Hamilton

[golden narwhal]

you dont play chess when people are RACING CARS

[maiden prism]

leave me to it please

[wicked vortex]

k1

[maiden prism]

thinking about this interaction has officially pissed me off

[chrome lynx]

K1? the common F1 steering wheel button most teams have? I can't believe it!!! wheel of fortune theme

[wicked vortex]

I wonder if the "its a ferrari its a shytbox" still stands

[chrome lynx]

depends on vibes

[maiden prism]

Wait lemme make my own version of this

[chrome lynx]

i'm thinbking of 10 ways you could do this, i'm on the edge of my seat

[maiden prism]

there we go

[chrome lynx]

oscar winning

idk if y'all play f1 manager but in that game k1 == any energy boost

[round sand]

guys what's the points after sprint

max 24 right?

lando 25

26*

[analog verge]

Lando 26, Max 24

[round sand]

sprint worked for max

[quick oak]

This is gonna be a long season, RBR fans.

Lawson crashing and burning while Max basically admitting that the cars a tractor...

The tire degradation on this car should actually be a crime, what have they cooked?

[coarse oak]

Lawson's actually washed

[astral bone]

lawsons showing the real pace of the car while max is just fucking overdriving it to mars 😭

[coarse oak]

Errr... a fucking forklifter?

[molten copper]

See this we can say if he gets a good car not car designed around max

[weary ice]

liam lawson with another master class

[quick oak]

Not far off tbh

[coral basalt]

Damn Liam Lawson got the best of the karma this year

[magic hill]

Wrong chat my bad lmao

[coral basalt]

Nice cat altho I cudnt see properly what it was

[grim anvil]

I just peeped qualifying and yeah it's getting embarrassing for Lawson

[golden narwhal]

which top team has no aura

[magic hill]

It was a fat raccoon lel

[coral basalt]

RedBull Mac gives +1000 aura Liam gives -1000 aura

So its 0 atm

[grim anvil]

I would also like to formally apologize to Checo, I was unaware of how bad it was

[coral basalt]

I’m gon wait until Yuki performs to apologize to Checo

[amber ruin]

https://x.com/F1BigData/status/1903346360419586197

Holiness (@F1BigData) on X

In the total of 2 qualys and 1 sprint qualy, Liam Lawson's results are P18, P20 and P20.

The worst streak for a Red Bull driver in the team's history.

X · Mar 22, 2025, 7:21 AM

[dusty ore]

It's saturday

[golden narwhal]

i thought Max Verstappen Racing is only Max Verstappen

[astral bone]

IN THE WHOLE HISTORY?

[golden narwhal]

red bull drivers has been very good

until now

ig

well

christian klien viantonio liuzzi and robert doornbos

those are the ones we forget mostly

[coral basalt]

Why did I read it as Robert Doorknob

[sick trail]

No, he has another driver in GT3 this season

[golden narwhal]

david coulthard had that dawg in him

[coral basalt]

Someone said the F2 topper usually goes to a worse team nd the guys who placed behind him get the best seats in to balance the talent nd performance in F1, is that true???

[golden narwhal]

no not really

its more important where that worst seat leads ig

leclerc got sauber which turned into ferrari idk if you count that as good

russell got williams which turned into mercedes

piastri got mclaren which turned good

who knows what would have been if he was at alpine

[coral basalt]

Yeah that Mclaren and Aston Martin swap 23’ mid season was crazy

[golden narwhal]

also didnt isack was on his way to win but his car died

then gabi won

[coral basalt]

I thought Aston Martin was gon be a contendor nd McL was shit rest of the season like the beginning of 23’ then boom McL the best car since 24’

[golden narwhal]

so in theory if isack got the win nothig changes still

[coral basalt]

Whos isack

Oh Hadjar

[golden narwhal]

zamn

[coral basalt]

Zamn

[livid arrow]

Fuh

Why the glorious max verstappeb have to get 4th

[fiery bloom]

bro in what world would amr ever have a chance

[dim oar]

Damn you slow

[jade schooner]

fia 🔥

[rocky timber]

Yeah, p20 again is crazy

[errant kraken]

How did u get a Ferrari logo next to your name

[peak river]

Now he is with Checo

[snow swan]

I bet Checo is literally at home laughing and being happy seeing Lawson being p20

[snow swan]

Menu bar on the left under the server, and choose channels and roles

choose what you support and your name chnages according to them

[worn mica]

please hold, we are checking

[safe merlin]

Ferrari antics continue

Doing so well in sprint

[rotund otter]

George russell to win china

[safe merlin]

To 3rd/4th row

[tough finch]

I kind of hope George wins, would be a nice surprise but

I think Piastri’s got it in the bag

[brittle stirrup]

Gng, who was map today, lance goat or isack hadgoat

[brittle stirrup]

I hope George never touched a grand prix trophy

[sage raft]

he kinda did already

[lavish ore]

i still can't believe this shit bro he's not even posing he's just walking with his arms out like an airplane

[sage raft]

He pushed the walls away

[brittle stirrup]

Ts so corny 🥀🥀💔💔

[sage raft]

They just fully turned into him

[lavish ore]

we don't deserve him

everyone else looking mean and george out here flying

[brittle stirrup]

Should be made into a school enforced mourning day

[craggy rivet]

have ferrari better race pace this year?

ngl i think mclaren have best quali pace then very close to ferrari and mclaren in race pace

[sharp oxide]

Liam lawson is so ass

i think he might get fired soon

[lost sphinx]

why

[loud elk]

Bring in yuki

[haughty mason]

Liam Lawson's average starting position in his first three races at Red Bull: 19.67

Nikita Mazepin's average starting position in his first three races at Haas: 19.33

[craggy rivet]

🙏🙏

[loud elk]

So basically

[brittle stirrup]

He's George russel do i really need another reason

[loud elk]

Lian lawson's worse than mazespin

[lost sphinx]

and

[sharp oxide]

They did checo so dirty to hire this bum

[brittle stirrup]

Tsunoda better wear black before summer break

[lost sphinx]

it's not 19.67

[brittle stirrup]

He's George russel, that's the reason

[brittle stirrup]

In rb's defense firing checo was the right move, just hiring Liam wasn't

[sharp oxide]

im lowkey going insane

[lost sphinx]

it's 19.33 same as maezpin

[lost sphinx]

and, he's a great driver

[brittle stirrup]

Btw swearing is cool((veil mark intensifies)

[brittle stirrup]

Crybaby, max gave him HALF of the 2021 treatment and he broke, blames everyone but himself when he crashes, takes things too personally, self praises when he's accomplished basically nothing(he's accomplished a lot, just not NEARLY to the level he's comparing himself to)

[lost sphinx]

Nothing related to his driving skills

[brittle stirrup]

Mentality has a lot to do with skills, and russel ain't got it

[haughty mason]

it is

19+20+20 = 59

59 divided by 3 is 19,666667

[lost sphinx]

idk getting #2 w a williams

who did

[lost sphinx]

18+20+20 please

[brittle stirrup]

Jokic?

[lost sphinx]

if you criticize at least don't invent stats

[slate vessel]

Be honest thats the RB way , Car IS built Always for one Driver and one Driver only. Max never really complained AS Long AS He could benefit. Get a balanced Car for both Put Alonso in there and then watch what Happens , both Take Esch other Out on a daily basis

BUT.... Lawson screws RB Points AS good AS Horner does screw Points on female employees

[coarse obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/running-celebration-open-arms-happy-glad-gif-16191335

[brittle stirrup]

Respectfully alonso can't even lace Max's shoes, alonso 2 years ago? He would've fought max, maybe even won, but now, with alonso's very slow but clear decline, and max hitting his prime, nahm

But alonso would make a good 2nd driver for constructors purposes

[subtle crest]

You think that Ferrari’ll be able to make something happen in the dirty air?

[brittle stirrup]

Maybe, if lando's car isn't fixed by then they'll be fighting realistically only max

Cause piastri is good but max has proved he's superior

[wraith wharf]

is kimi starting 7th or 8th cus i put a bet n i had kimi u7.5 starting position

[brittle stirrup]

And the longer a race the more skill matters

[haughty mason]

he started p19. its starting positions

[subtle crest]

Lando’s car seemed fine in the quali session but of course, race is something different

[slate vessel]

Everyone is in Prime when Car IS Prime , goes for everyone lewis, Alonso , max , Vettel everyone. Put max in a Haas and watch If He can win . But i do get your Point

[brittle stirrup]

Ye

[brittle stirrup]

Thats-just..not true...drivers do have physical primes...it matters less in motorsport but when your 43-it starts to catch up..

A car obviously matters more but still

[ashen inlet]

who won quali

[subtle crest]

Yeah but it also heavily depends on how much you need to push those tyres which is dependent on the quality of the car

[slate vessel]

Yeah also true

[subtle crest]

81

[brittle stirrup]

True, how's piastri's tire management

Cause Lewis is better than max at it, max is 2nd best

[lost sphinx]

he started p18

[brittle stirrup]

Idk bout the rest tho

[lost sphinx]

@haughty mason

[subtle crest]

He did better than Leclerc in Baku but he had the mini DRS to keep himself ahead of him but on mediums, he was falling off Leclerc’s pace. Not sure how he’ll do if Russel manages to get ahead of him

[lost sphinx]

Falling off leclercs pace?

[brittle stirrup]

Mclaren ate kinda hateable for like, their 10 attempts in the last decade to cheat

[subtle crest]

But again, Lewis had clean air, Max didn’t

[lost sphinx]

I dobt understand what is happening and how you get that info

[brittle stirrup]

Imagine if everyone had mini drs max and leclerc would run circles around everyone

[subtle crest]

Yep, before pit stop

[brittle stirrup]

True

[lost sphinx]

which pit stop in what race

baku?

[subtle crest]

No hate but you are literally a Red Bull fan💀

[lost sphinx]

that has been too long

[haughty mason]

but he started from the pitlane

[subtle crest]

Yep

[lost sphinx]

ok and it doesn't count

[brittle stirrup]

Ngl idk what redbull did, I'm new, plz enlighten me

[lost sphinx]

then it is not 20 or 19 it's pitlane

[subtle crest]

Brake bias controversy and the floor adjustment and skid blocks are some of the more recent problems

[brittle stirrup]

Goofy ahh horner(I blame him for everything to stabilize my mental health(

[coarse gyro]

🧍‍♀️

i decidedly do not know wheel

[subtle crest]

And then of course, during Vettel’s prime, exhaust over their diffuser which gave them extra downforce. Which was banned later just as mini DRS.

[brittle stirrup]

Vettel when his car isn't a rocketship;

https://tenor.com/view/lance-stroll-crash-monaco-grand-prix-f1-aston-martin-gif-25951164

(Please don't kill me)

[subtle crest]

Newey’s never been someone to be scared of going in the grey area of the rules and that’s what made him a great designer. I think that pushing rules is what always made F1 an amazing sport to watch. If everyone had the same cars or was afraid to push the rules to their limit, it would be kinda boring.

[subtle crest]

I won’t but are you even a Red Bull fan if you say this?

‘Cause I’m not a Red Bull fan and I consider Vettel to be one of the all time greats

[craggy rivet]

yeah

M-H-H best strategy

[brazen goblet]

We go on to get pole a few hours after this

[snow swan]

Imagine tsunoda podium

[warm hamlet]

im hoping for that to happen

[craggy rivet]

imagine oscar win by 30+ seconds

[snow swan]

That’s impossible

[slate vessel]

Imagine piastri winning WC after the Hype for Norris

[craggy rivet]

u sure?

” hold position”

[snow swan]

Not really

[craggy rivet]

.

[snow swan]

But is he that fast?

[craggy rivet]

look the rain in melb

he was faster

[heady shale]

i dont think itll be this year but i dont think it's far off

[craggy rivet]

and already team orders

[slate vessel]

To BE honest i think piastri and Norris got everything they need but piastri more mentality.

Norris wants to win without having to Fight max, they still need to BE Friends after. You cant Push someone outside the track and then after being friends and sit in the Same Jet way Back Home, Not when Championship IS involved. But Norris Said He will step Up His Game, lets See maybe im wrong

[snow swan]

Maybe

[brittle stirrup]

Vettel easily an all time great, just didn't have the longevity some of the others had

-and made far inferior career decisions

[craggy rivet]

wth no

[brittle stirrup]

Lowk am confused

[craggy rivet]

vettel top 5 oat🦥

wild

[slate vessel]

I consider Vettel to BE the best all time RB Driver to BE honest, but thats my opinion. Thats why Lewis even Said you gotta watch Out For him and He has Lot of Respect cause they got similar Drive Style. Its insane difficult to try to Drive Clean and still compete at the Same time. Only Vettel and Lewis got this on the Higher Level and even they wont get IT right everytime

[brittle stirrup]

I mean my top 5 is Lewis hamilton, Michael schumacher, prost, max verstappen, Sebastian vettel

[brittle stirrup]

Id say max is better, at least statistically, but vettel is cleaner without a doubt

[craggy rivet]

senna?

[brittle stirrup]

I'm sorry, all the respect and condolences to senna, i look at the trophy cabinet, not the skill

[craggy rivet]

1. senna
   2.lh
2. michael
3. prost
4. max

[brittle stirrup]

Good list hinesrly

Honedrly*

God I'm tired-

Cant fuckin spell

[craggy rivet]

same bru

[brittle stirrup]

For me I don't care what you CAN accomplish, or what your skills COULD have done, I look at your accolades, your trophies, your achievement, that's what determines for me the greatest of all time

Hell I enjoy Michael's driving style more than Hamilton, but you can't deny Hamilton is so far ahead of Michael it's almost unbelievable

[tawdry bane]

Latifi
Stroll
Fangio
Mazepin
Vandoorne

My top 5

[craggy rivet]

ew michael cheated 1994

[brittle stirrup]

Better list than mine tbh

[tough finch]

he already has unfortunately for you 😭

[brittle stirrup]

Sadge ;-;

[brittle stirrup]

Honestly, hot take, cheat as much as you want, win at any cost even if it means bending or straight breaking the rules, you know the risks, take them and you'll get what you deserve, be it a win or a loss

[slate vessel]

Lawson IS the best Driver in F1.....in screwing , If you need someone to screw a Team you pay Lawson 100 Million and He makes Sure your Team doesnt make IT to the constructors for a decade

[brittle stirrup]

Schlawg

Put me in the mclaren seat

Norris isn't touching that constructors title for the next 4 decades

[craggy rivet]

i dont fw michel sadly, im alonso guy then

[slate vessel]

What can you do in a McLaren ?

[brittle stirrup]

how does a tifosi not fw schumi

[brittle stirrup]

Crash it in the first corner and try to take lando out while at it

[silver jacinth]

move senna to 4th, replace schumacher and lewis and maybe (not really sure) put both max and fernando in top 5 imo

[wintry salmon]

What is happening rn

[silver jacinth]

redbull would need that ngl

[wintry salmon]

Oh wait nevermind

[craggy rivet]

im a lh fan not ferrari fan,

my fav driver in ferrari was seb

[brittle stirrup]

I mean wasn't he the only title contending one except for alonso?(post 2007)

[silver jacinth]

pretty much

well massa in 2008

fernando 2010/2012

[brittle stirrup]

I'll never understand f1 fans ability to switch teams without any issue

[silver jacinth]

seb 2017/2018 iirc

[proud scaffold]

Max winning

[brittle stirrup]

[proud scaffold]

hoping for Mclaren collision

[craggy rivet]

i have never liked any team so

[silver jacinth]

🥲

[silver jacinth]

better not say this loud here

[craggy rivet]

if im gonna like 1 team must be ferrari

[silver jacinth]

u might get muted for it

just keep it in mind for the future

[brittle stirrup]

I hope lando gets lost in the Chinese streetswith his mclaren after being flung out by piastri

[silver jacinth]

kinda samme

[proud scaffold]

people say wild stuff we can't even rant wtf is that

[brittle stirrup]

Fr, pick one and stick with it

[silver jacinth]

utter woke non-sense 🔥

[silver jacinth]

real

I mean lets be honest most fans are loyal to a driver, not a team

[brittle stirrup]

(Ngl I'm 1 month into f1 and switching teams looks MIGHTY tempting but I will battle through the temptstion)

[silver jacinth]

utter woke non-sense again 😶

[craggy rivet]

i fw drivers not teams

[silver jacinth]

jk

[silver jacinth]

nah if youre new to it go ahead and do it

i mean there are levels to game of switching teams u rep

[dim oar]

That facts kinda how I am in with the nba. I have knowledge of the game but I mainly support one player

[silver jacinth]

fe. mercedes news account on twitter switched to ferrari news because lewis changed teams

[brittle stirrup]

I mean, tbf, the most likeable title contending team rn for me is redbull(ik they're hateable)

[silver jacinth]

yea i see i see

[craggy rivet]

exactly

[silver jacinth]

theyre hateable so what?

[dim oar]

Type shi

[silver jacinth]

doesnt matter

[silver jacinth]

TYPE SH?

I don't hang with rats, that's some new type shit

[brittle stirrup]

Fr

[silver jacinth]

I honestly don't even get the rbr hate

[brittle stirrup]

I'm kinda a little weird from the average sports fan

I enjoy seeing dominance

[sharp mountain]

I like Lando Norris and Charles Leclerc

[brittle stirrup]

I enjoy seeing one guy win it all without any fight

[craggy rivet]

no😭😭😭

[brittle stirrup]

I get it, the team is toxic

[silver jacinth]

yea theyre nice but not in top 10 tbf

[craggy rivet]

hey my neighbor😭

[silver jacinth]

just mismanaged a lot

[brittle stirrup]

Same here, but teams are eternal, drivers are not

[sharp mountain]

What’s rbr?

[silver jacinth]

redbull racing

[dim oar]

I’m not trying to get banned for profanity lol some of these servers are soft nowadays

[sharp mountain]

Oh

[glad shadow]

y’all thing liam Lawson gonna get his contract blown?

[silver jacinth]

thats just a line from type sh song by metro and future

[slate vessel]

Rbr = Red Bull regrets , regrets on Liam contract

[silver jacinth]

i mean who would replace him then?

[amber ocean]

I got banned for a day for saying a joke about spinning.. Won’t happen again 😭

[silver jacinth]

utter

woke

non sense

🤪

[dim oar]

Yeah you right about that

[craggy rivet]

@dim oar lh podium tomorrow?

[dim oar]

Nah

[craggy rivet]

bro

red bull and merc not that good w tyre management

[slate vessel]

Would like to See that but pretty Sure Norris piastri and max on Podium

[dry remnant]

U guys think Hamilton has chance for T3

[slate vessel]

Nah Not happening

[dim oar]

Why do people do this. You ask me a question, I respond with my opinion and then you backtrack on the question. Just to then answer to the question you already have the answer too. LMAO

[neat fern]

Ferrari is phenomenal

[candid salmon]

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/liam-lawson-red-bull-seat-already-at-risk-disastrous-start-f1-2025/

😭

[neat fern]

By who?

[sage raft]

me

[fast hawk]

.mute @umbral tide 1d slanderous nickname + attempting to bypass automod

[jade mural]

vind muted commanderzenixx for 1 day. Reason: slanderous nickname + attempting to bypass automod

[hazy dew]

Guess when will Lawson leave Red Bull

[rocky timber]

After Japan

They are betting he will do good since he has raced there several times

[hazy dew]

They will replace Lawson with Tsunoda if he keeps on doing badly?

Or they decide to go with Hadjar

[craggy rivet]

hmmm prolly soon

[hazy dew]

And leave Yuki in the dust

Piastri > Norris will this happen this year?

[polar star]

Get perez back

[hazy dew]

They should just call Albon back to RB

[tough finch]

oh hell no 😭

[amber ruin]

.

no.

[tough finch]

he done with that bullshit LMFAOO

[amber ruin]

i just want him to be happy with williams

[tough finch]

he is happy with Williams

fuck Red Bull man Williams IS Alex Albon

[amber ruin]

[kind oracle]

What were the results

[rocky timber]

He doesn't want that

[amber ruin]

for quali

[kind oracle]

man lawson is underperforming like crasy

crazy*

[supple carbon]

What happened to Ferrari

[rocky timber]

Lawson to F1 Academy

[kind oracle]

agreed

Also wjats different in spirint and Normal race

Other than less laps

[coarse gyro]

daniel ricciardo back to red bull 🔥

[hazy dew]

Maybe ask Sainz to go there 😂

[coarse gyro]

less points distributed is the main thing

[kind oracle]

other than that

[amber ruin]

points go down to 8th, no mandatory pit stops

[kind oracle]

Oh

[rocky timber]

To keep people engaged. A faster paced weekend

[kind oracle]

Thanks

U guys are the best

I joined f1 last year only

[rocky timber]

Yeah he would have taken it

[kind oracle]

So dint know that much

[rocky timber]

https://youtu.be/Imy5l5d4L3c?si=n8bmcPUul1QoiQgm

[gloomy wharf]

What happened to the man, Sainz?

[tough finch]

Yuki needs to do whatever he can to get out of any affiliation with Red Bull 😭

I fear that 2nd seat could ruin his career

[candid warren]

only just watched. what a lap from oscar

[snow swan]

True

[toxic siren]

sure, I got this

[minor zodiac]

I finally watched I can look at this discord now lol

[snow swan]

Yuki is owning Lawson

[minor zodiac]

I really don’t want to have this discussion anymore it’s getting old and pointless

Carlos is getting owned by Albon

[dire hollow]

Damn

True

Nobody talked bout it

[ancient granite]

Could there anything with the team or a personal thing?

[lament heart]

ginggangguliguli watcha ging gang gu ging gang gu

[modern pivot]

Sorry for that 😭 Zed already turned it off

Hfjenwnnd

[gaunt swift]

W

[wind marsh]

Lawson 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[hushed wadi]

two p20s in one weekend

nasty work

[spare heart]

man we carlos fans are so cooked

[amber ruin]

its ok hes preparing us for a p15 to p1 masterclass

haha.

[lament spindle]

i believed in this

[cyan saffron]

Red Bull doesn't even need to sack Liam, Racing Bulls just signs Max.

[fickle ingot]

"sister team" turns into the main team

[cyan saffron]

That way Red Bull would finally change their livery as Racing Bulls then uses the Red Bull livery.

[waxen thunder]

💀

[foggy ermine]

Lawson just continually divebombed everyone

Caused a collision too. He was driving dangerously

[queen ibex]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DHf-0fVt5lX/?igsh=Y3d0cG4xMnV3bWh0

racing.news

🚨BREAKING: The Japanese GP is critical for Liam Lawson and his future at Red Bull.

[@wearetherace]

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[foggy ermine]

Typical RB. Chewing up and spitting out rookies

[dusky spoke]

Why Carlos in the 2 page

[foggy ermine]

Unreal pressure and expectations

[spare glacier]

eh he made small contact twice, was being agressive but not rlly dangerous

[upbeat willow]

I think they might kick Lawson out of redbull mid race

[queen ibex]

According to the stewards, the contact between Doohan and Lawson was caused by "Doohan failing to give space to Lawson at the exit"

[hexed cobalt]

honestly they can save fuel if they just sit him out

[foggy ermine]

Wat

[spare glacier]

erm

[lapis crescent]

Any other slightly insane Americans staying up for the race? Lol

3am for me

[spare glacier]

anybody know what that is by lewis's left knee, inside his suit?

[nova plank]

Id stay up 12 am but I can't watch it anywhere :/ my friend is tho

[dusky spoke]

I don’t think Lawson gonna continue in Red Bull

[queen ibex]

Yeah the new 2025 driving standards guidelines are stupid tbh, the rule says that if you are an overtaking car on the inside and you are ahead at the apex it's your corner and you don't need to give space to the other car at the exit

[queen ibex]

Unfortunately they changed the driving standards guidelines and it looks like they made them worse

[dusky spoke]

That’s stupid

[spare glacier]

i think that was the case last year

[queen ibex]

With last year guidelines I think that the overtaking car on the inside needed to leave a cars width from apex to exit even if he had the nose ahead at the apex I think

[dusky spoke]

Why there is nobody talking about Carlos in the next page

[spare glacier]

what is all the stuff about racing bulls and red bull being equal lol

[neat fern]

Who do we think has the strongest racepace i think Ferrari tbh

[queen ibex]

Mclaren tbh

[dusky spoke]

??!

[craggy gorge]

Should we correct the car and make it more suitable for him to drive? Nah. Bring on the next rookie for us to annihilate

[wooden pasture]

#BringbackSergioPerez

[craggy gorge]

Just save time and remove the second car altogether
Unless they are contractually obligated to have 2 cars and drivers

[vocal lynx]

wouldnt even be worth it tbh

we’re better off just watching the replay instead of ruining our sleep schedule

[visual loom]

I stayed up for the sprint

Wasn’t worth

Happy for Hamilton but it was a snoozer

[cedar ravine]

Need that san diego tomorrow

[placid sparrow]

Real

[lament spindle]

i actually think Lawson will start doing well next week … and this is purely because i don’t want marko and horner to try and move up another rookie way too quickly (whether it’s isack, arvid, or even pepe)

[slate vessel]

I only need the First 20 minutes of Chinese Gp Rest is History

[lament spindle]

i want rbr to actually stick to their plan with liam and fix the car

[visual loom]

Has there been any driver other than Max and Daniel who liked the Red Bull style?

[slate vessel]

Not Happening the Car IS fixed, If max can SURVIVE at the Front then the Car IS good, thats the rbr Formula over the Last years

[minor zodiac]

Sources? Trust me bro

[lament spindle]

well it’s going to go back to midfield area if they don’t have liam at least try to make his own setup

[queen ibex]

It's red bull so it wouldn't be surprising

[lament spindle]

cuz why would they decide that it’s a brilliant idea to have liam try to use max’s setup

[minor zodiac]

That’s not a good thing to be doing

[queen ibex]

Yeah I agree that 3 races is not nearly enough time but say that to Helmut Marko

[slate vessel]

Yeah the Thing IS rbr IS so Up maxs a** that even tiny Things that are Changed on Car have to BE for maxs Style so i dont think that Major Things will BE done for Liam , its Ride or die for him

[minor zodiac]

I don’t understand posting something like that just to stir it up when it’s not confirmed it’s just speculation

[placid sparrow]

It would be so redbull of them to bring up another driver into the racing bull seat, and just put yuki into redbull, leaving Liam without a seat

[minor zodiac]

But this what this server does

[lament spindle]

the worst part is that Liam had a chance to save himself by going with Williams back in 2023 after his stint with AlphaTauri

[slate vessel]

Cause rbr wants max to win Nobody Else in the Team , even Helmut Said it himself that Liam should Not have the mindset to win and compete against max , that says IT all

[placid sparrow]

Tbf, I’m not sure anyone can atp

[lament spindle]

it just sucks for the kid but at the same time he was being too overconfident in himself and in turn made some bad choice of words against the wrong people (or specifically their fanbases)

[spare notch]

Is there live stream here tomorrow?

[steady falcon]

does ferrari have better degredation than mclaren?

clearly at the end of the stint lh gained time

[placid sparrow]

I think redbull might have the worst on the grid for deg

[slate vessel]

If you Look at other Teams you will realise that they dont really Care WHO wins , AS Long AS IT IS someone From the Team, in rbr they want max to win and someone Else to follow. Why do you think people Love Daniel comprared to Liam or Perez? Cause He could keep Up enough to get Point without competing with max. You want a good second Driver? Get Russel get sainz , hell get botas. But no Not rbr that would mean competition within the Team for max

[dim oar]

If it weren’t for the finger he raised to checo and downplaying yuki, i would have had empathy for him but karma is one hell of a drug. He got what was coming to him fr

[fleet aspen]

HAD-TSU 🤧 (bless you)

[silver jacinth]

murica raaaah

[hushed wadi]

had-tuah

[ivory quail]

what kind of drug the FIA is smoking cuz i want some

[ivory quail]

4am for me

[queen ibex]

I think the main reason why they changed the guidelines was Russell crying about the penalty he got in Austin when he forced Bottas off the track

[silver jacinth]

just bring back old good 2007/2008 racing standard

that Kubica vs Massa fight in Fuji 🙂‍↕️

[ivory quail]

obviously a Brit had to cry about a penalty and the FIA had to do some ball succ

especially in F1

the amount of glaze they are doing over Norris is fucking insane

[minor zodiac]

Shut up with this narrative fucking hell

[thorn hearth]

Solid effort for the team

Big action in the front positions

[minor zodiac]

Max is a great driver of course you going to put your resources into the good driver like what the hell

[slate vessel]

Chill, its the truth Not saying anything Bad Just some facts. And yes max is a great Driver WHO Said Otherwise?

[ivory quail]

i mean... isnt that how a Formula 1 team fucking works?

like

[minor zodiac]

It makes sound like people point the finger at Max and blame him for the way the team is. It’s what the narrative is

[ivory quail]

the better driver is the First driver, which will lead to him getting a car more suitable for his driving style and for the second driver is like "fuck you and learn how to drive this car"

thats how a F1 team works the better driver gets better shit and the second driver is left to struggle to get used to the car

like

it ait that hard

especially top teams

[queen ibex]

Here is what russell said about this

[ivory quail]

we have exceptions like 2024 McLaren where Webber asked for equal cars between Piastri and Norris

[safe merlin]

I think car suits piastri

As of china rn

[ivory quail]

i mean... Mexico was rightly penalized except for the rest of the penalty 20 seconds is just "Fuck you and let Norris win this shit"

[austere trail]

Damm so I guess it really was the water then...

[ivory quail]

10-15 seconds was enough tbh

[ivory quail]

i think McLaren's car suits both

[safe merlin]

maybe

[ivory quail]

not only Piastri

cuz i think thats what Webber asked McLaren to do

[safe merlin]

Lando doesn't do well in china sprint

But I think he will be fine in race

[queen ibex]

Honestly I think it was correct to give 20 seconds, because Max forced Norris off 2 times, and since 2024 the standard penalty for forcing another driver off the car/causing a collision is 10 seconds, not 5

[ivory quail]

i think Russell got 5 seconds i already forgot

my problem with this is that the FIA is too inconsistent with their penalty system

[minor zodiac]

They just pick and choose

[ivory quail]

its like they change it from a race to another

[quaint parrot]

Poor bono

[ivory quail]

like "China this penalty will be 5 seconds, and for Japan this same penalty will be 10 seconds"

its so inconsistent

[minor zodiac]

F1 has rules that are just pointless imo

[ivory quail]

i dont blame him 12 years with one of the most successful partnerships in F1 history, you kinda get used to it

[ivory quail]

i mean... F1 is like "Innovation and technology"

but when a team comes with a brilliant innovation

the FIA goes like "Nuh uh"

and bans it

[minor zodiac]

The track limits rule is way too strict imo

[ivory quail]

[cyan saffron]

no

The track is the track.

[ivory quail]

its like the FIA doesnt want to the drivers to race

i agree in some parts of the track limits

[cyan saffron]

Everything above the white line isn't the track.

[ivory quail]

but others are just bullshit

[minor zodiac]

One wheel goes off a little bit and they say you extend the track limit it’s ridiculous

[cyan saffron]

It's as simple as that.

That's literally not true.

[ivory quail]

if a driver goes wide in a corner he will lose more time that he would win

[cyan saffron]

Only if all 4 wheels are over the white line it's track limits.

[ivory quail]

thats why Indy is funnier sometimes

its like

"If grey, track"

"if not grey, no track"

[minor zodiac]

It may highlight the cars are just too big

[ivory quail]

2026 we will go back to 2005 regs

but with Halo and front wing drs

i think the cars will be smaller

[minor zodiac]

Some people still hate the halo which is stupid lol

[ivory quail]

races are boring if the cars are too wide and big

[ivory quail]

theyre as brain dead as the ppl who voted Lando for DoTD in Australia

best thing we can do is ignore these ppl and just not consider them as F1 fans

[sage marlin]

People still hate the halo?

[minor zodiac]

Yes lol

[sage marlin]

Well that’s insanely stupid especially now

[minor zodiac]

It’s people that still want helmet to helmet hits in American football

[ivory quail]

ppl voting for Lando as DOTD when he dominates a race but they never voted for Verstappen so i wouldnt be surprised if ppl actually hated the halo

these hypocrates are just

bruh

[ivory quail]

"Hahahaha, concussion go brrrr"

[minor zodiac]

Lando and Oscar are people’s golden boys right now

Essentially Lando since he is British

[ivory quail]

the F1 Ig account is a certified Lando glazer

this shit makes F1 lose its credibility a bit

[minor zodiac]

F1 tv is pretty great for that reason

Sky sports is awful

[junior granite]

they still do track limits for certain places iirc

[wise shard]

Because he's British

[ivory quail]

certain tracks

[junior granite]

even something like nascar where the asphalt is basically the limit they'll enforce track limits sometimes

certain corners

but a lot of their tracks don't have much runoff

it's self policing

[ivory quail]

not like F1 which goes like "white line, no crossing"

[junior granite]

I like natural track limits

[median cairn]

Backgrids fun to watch

[ivory quail]

many of the FIA rules are just bullshit

[junior granite]

the issue is any fuckup is going to cause aero damage on an f1 car

might completely kill your race

with natural limits

[ivory quail]

i agree that some track limite are needed

[minor zodiac]

Drive to survive tried to make this fake drama with Lando and Max and Lando called them out on it

[ivory quail]

but only when the driver gauns advantage

gains*

[modern pivot]

This chat is active?

Damn

[minor zodiac]

I like Lando a lot actually just some people are stupid

[junior granite]

if you set looser track limits then the drivers will drive to those limits and just keep going wide

I don't mind track limits

[ivory quail]

i mean... his arrogance after winning ONE race made me not like him as much as i did

[minor zodiac]

What arrogance? Lmao

[ivory quail]

[somber comet]

Clearly, you havent seen post-race interviews with him and radio messages

[ivory quail]

"Its just luck, not talent"

"You had a fast car a few years ago"

[junior granite]

that was a response to a question about red flag rules in f1

[ivory quail]

he was pretty arrogant with Hamilton in that one

[ivory quail]

[somber comet]

Anyways, I think lawson is sandbagging on purpose just to show us he can go from last to first in a race and also he doesnt care cuz he's gonna win the other 22 races (trust me)

[somber comet]

Or after Lewis complimented their car in Hungary

[ivory quail]

the next level of delulu

[minor zodiac]

It would be hypocritical for me to dislike Lando for what he says when I’m a fan of Max lol

[slate vessel]

I dont even get the Drive to survive schedule , why Release a season so late? Doesnt make any Sense , after knowing what happened Last year and then 3-4 months Later when people are focused in 25 you Release 2024 Drive to survive.

Its Like going into 2025 and watching a Bit of 2023 DTS. Release the season straight away If you want full Impact

[somber comet]

Yeah no im just kidding lmao

[junior granite]

they need time to edit and create false drama

also builds up hype for the season opener probably

can get new potential viewers just in time for the opening

[ivory quail]

ik but still, if someone came up to me and said that non-ironically id be like "Okay... lets go and get your medicines"

[minor zodiac]

Them using another video to to try to show Max was mad after Lando’s first win lol

That was some bs

[queen ibex]

Yeah, Russell got 5 seconds in Austin, the stewards document explains that he got 5 seconds instead of 10 because Russell, when he forced off Bottas, was in control of the car for the whole manoeuvre, and the forcing off the track was not deliberate.
On the other hand Max did that deliberately I think, and he wasn't really in control of the car, he just divebombed like crazy to force norris off

[somber comet]

Lmao fr

Anyways, I just hope Oscar defends pole well

[ivory quail]

same

[minor zodiac]

Russel P1 incoming

[golden dragon]

Osc will certainly win tmrw

[queen ibex]

Generally speaking, I agree with this though

[golden dragon]

Could be,he's just too lucky with all that

[ivory quail]

so youre telling me that... if i had control of the car and forced another driver off the track id get a 5 seconds, and if i lost control of the car and forced another driver id get 10 seconds? And not the other way around?

[slate vessel]

Yeah i understand in a way. But still little of watching IT Afterwards knowing the Drama was different or even No Drama at all. I understand why some dont Like DTS

[minor zodiac]

That first turn is going to be chaos in the middle 💀

[ivory quail]

[queen ibex]

No, I meant that while Russell just went slightly wide but didn't send a reckless dive, Max just divebombed recklessly hoping that Norris would have backed off

[ivory quail]

[ivory quail]

thank you

you just showed me that i cant be a F1 Driver

[queen ibex]

Most of those words are from the stewards document btw so yeah again poor wording by the stewards

[ivory quail]

even in racing games i divebomb cuz "funi"

[queen ibex]

Lmao you had a valid point, it was just some ambiguous wording by me and the stewards, your point was valid tbh

[vague pumice]

Who do you guys will come p1 p2 p3 ?

[keen pelican]

Lawson shinning! He really wants that Racing Bulls seat!

[queen ibex]

Could be PIA-NOR-HAM

[keen pelican]

So what happens to Russel and Max? Lol

[vague pumice]

Exclay what happened to them

[queen ibex]

They could be p4 and P5 tbh

Red Bull seemed to have quite a lot of tyre deg

I'd say P3 is either Russell or Hamilton

[keen pelican]

From p5?

[queen ibex]

Wdym?

[keen pelican]

Ham is starting p5. Ferrari doesn’t look good on pace

[queen ibex]

Well Hamilton looked pretty good in the sprint

So I think he could he fighting Russell for a podium

[keen pelican]

Because he started in pole with clean air lol

[minor zodiac]

I have my alarm set for 1:45am 💀

[waxen thunder]

Hamilton podium, perhaps

Hamilton p1? Unlikely

[queen ibex]

Yeah but he finished 7 seconds ahead of Piastri so I think he is in the fight for the podium

[minor zodiac]

Last year he did good in the sprint right?

[waxen thunder]

And that is only going to happen if ferrari is not being dumb again

[waxen thunder]

P2 iirc

Lemme check

Yup

[minor zodiac]

He got pole for it too I think

Or was that Lando

But I just know the race was not as good

[weary cedar]

what

liam p20?

bro how does this keep happening

[queen ibex]

Lando got sprint pole last year

[minor zodiac]

There is something wrong with the car as well. Even Max is having issues with it

[toxic siren]

People forget this.

Max is clearly struggling, he's just an absolutely bonkers driver in terms of skill.

[minor zodiac]

I could even tell when Max was trying to put pressure on Lewis in the sprint that the car could not keep up

[toxic siren]

So he can deal with it.

[minor zodiac]

And he cooked his tires trying to keep up with Lewis

He might finish 5th in China would not surprise me

I wonder if it’s because Red Bull is putting resources into next year

[snow swan]

either Liam just ain’t that good or Max is just massively overperforming in the Red Bull

[pliant fable]

put max in a racing bull for qualifying i want to see what happens

[minor zodiac]

Both can be true

[snow swan]

I’ll cut Liam some slack because he’s a rookie but god damn

not a good start at all

[minor zodiac]

But the car is definitely a problem Max even talked about it at Melbourne

I just don’t like Liam as a person but I try to stay away from that

When Red Bull does the funny games on their social medias his attitude towards them are kinda poor

[snow swan]

Yuki would not be doing this bad if he were in the 2nd seat, even if Red Bull is struggling rn

[minor zodiac]

What’s funny Yuki and Max seem to have a friendship

You can tell in those videos

I think Liam is bad from a pr perspective too

[mossy monolith]

Uhh yeah P20 isn’t the best place to be

[snow swan]

It’s probably a good thing that Yuki isn’t in the 2nd car though cuz it seems like Red Bull is struggling

they’re probably not trying as hard this year due to the new regulations next year

[mossy monolith]

VCARB is kinda on pace with the RB rn

Yuki might be significantly worse if he switches too

[snow swan]

speaking of VCARB, Hadjar looks good so far, despite the fact he crashed in the season opener

[mossy monolith]

Because the VCARB is far easier to drive than the RB

[snow swan]

he’s doing good in qualifying though

[minor zodiac]

I’m weirdly cheering for Russell to do well

I heard all year how Mercedes was done because Lewis left lol

[snow swan]

as long as Verstappen doesn’t win I’m fine (no offense)

[weary cedar]

Red Bull forgot how to build a car

[minor zodiac]

If he was with McLaren right now it would be 2023 all over again lol

[snow swan]

He’d literally win every race

[weary cedar]

They don't even care about driver input anymore, they just build a car, praying Max can drive it.

[snow swan]

the only way he wouldn’t is if he DNFed

[rain storm]

Yuki should think twice before going to red bull second seat

[weary cedar]

Maybe they did Yuki a favour

[minor zodiac]

Makes me wonder if they are waiting for 2026

[snow swan]

Liam doesn’t seem like the right option either, but I’ll give him a chance as he’s a rookie

[weary cedar]

Hopefully another team recognizes his talent and signs him

Like Alpine did with Gasly

[mossy monolith]

Weirdly?? George is the best

[weary cedar]

A lot better than getting your career destroyed by getting promoted

[minor zodiac]

I’m not usually a fan of Mercedes

[mossy monolith]

Welcome to the family

[weary cedar]

Been praying for bro since he was in Williams

[mossy monolith]

Merc for life

[weary cedar]

No matter how dumb his racecraft can be

Like uh

[minor zodiac]

Being a Red Bull fan will be nice tho with Ford

[weary cedar]

Running into Schumacher at Singapore and saying he turned into him

Or

[minor zodiac]

American baby!

[weary cedar]

The time he said Max wanted to crash him out in Qatar

[minor zodiac]

I wonder who is going to drive for Cadillac

[weary cedar]

Logan Sargeant

[minor zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/logan-sargeant-f1-williams-racing-gif-12682867965359330089

Logan revenge arc

[weary cedar]

Oh and the time he spun out in the middle of a safety car in Imola

The universe sensed he was about to get points in a Williams

[proven leaf]

That’s a lot of blue

[weary cedar]

True

[snow swan]

no F1 team is signing Sargeant again after the absolute disasterclass at Williams

[minor zodiac]

I don’t them to rush an American driver out of F2 again

Crawford would be that person if they did

[weary cedar]

They're never going to rush hum again

He retired from racing

Poor fella

[snow swan]

Logan wasn’t rushed; he was never gonna be ready for F1

[minor zodiac]

I’m talking about in general

[weary cedar]

Imagine thinking you're a good prospect in your career and then you get signed to Williams

[minor zodiac]

He was definitely rushed

[weary cedar]

That definitely fucks someone up

[snow swan]

At least now Williams looks like they might be on the upswing

or maybe they just have good drivers

[weary cedar]

Both probably

Surprised they are competing at this level when just a season ago they racked up $10M in damages alone

But saying they've bounced in an overstatement

They're midfield at best without chaos

[snow swan]

Both Albon and Sainz are too good to be on a team like that, and they’re just overperforming

[weary cedar]

Albon is so goated bro

Turned his whole career around

He proved that all he needed was time

[late jewel]

Hopefully Lawson does the same

Otherwise I can’t see him having much of a future in f1

Would have been much better if he started with racing bulls

Much more manageable car

It’s really unfortunate the way it’s going

[weary cedar]

Lawson is good but damn I hate him

[sullen storm]

I don't know what y'all are cheering, but I know that our enemy is FIA💔

[signal bronze]

Just saw that Oscar gotten pole, I fucking missed it live but what a great chance for the man

[weary cedar]

Flips off two GOATS, says he's here to win, and when the opportunity comes along, proceeds to fumble harder than Mazepin at Haas

At least Mazepin had no expectations, but Lawson raised the bar himself when he said he was 'here to win'

[late jewel]

He’s not here to make friends apparently lmao

[dusky root]

Imagine making your debut in a team that expects you to rival their genetically engineered top driver while they're undergoing the worst internal crisis known to man

[late jewel]

As of right now Masepin has a higher point average that Lawson

[dusky root]

With a car that might as well not have a steering wheel considering the way it behaves

[minor zodiac]

“Genetically engineered top driver”

[dusky root]

Oh no, sarcasm strikes again

[late jewel]

He might be at this point

[weary cedar]

Welcome to Red Bull! Our top employees are:

1. Horner
2. Racist
3. Racist
4. And Racist!
   We also expect you to drive our F14T type of car to the front of the grid without a single problem.

[late jewel]

Who are the 3 racists?

Never heard of this

[proven leaf]

Marko I believe is one

[weary cedar]

I exaggerated a little, but number 2 is Helmut Marko

[proven leaf]

Number 3 and 4 ?

[minor zodiac]

Putting sarcasm into text means nothing

[dusky root]

Regardless, I don't really see what's wrong with genetically engineered top driver

[weary cedar]

Idk probably anyone

[dusky root]

It's a compliment in the end

[mossy monolith]

Just cuz Helmut is a bad person, it doesn’t mean all of the workers at the company are evil

[weary cedar]

I wonder if Red Bull regrets dropping Perez

[dusky root]

Nah, they're getting the same performance for a fraction of the price

Great deal

[minor zodiac]

People are going around attacking social media workers like they have anything to do with it

[mossy monolith]

Perez was not the answer

[snow swan]

They don't regret Sainz, don't regret Gasly, Ricciardo, Albon, why should they regret Perez?

[weary cedar]

Technically not true, since the cost of Perez's contract was filled by his own sponsors

[snow swan]

In what reality should they regret Perez when they gave zero fucks about any other 2nd driver?

[weary cedar]

No one is the answer at this point

[snow swan]

Or talent that they had?

[calm widget]

Genetically engineered doesn’t work as well because its less genetics and more so brute force

[snow swan]

When they have Max Verstappen, of course

[weary cedar]

Red Bull should run just 1 car at this point

[snow swan]

They had Lawson - young talent, they thought, would emulate Max Verstappen since he's still learning, they thought

and what do we have

[dusky root]

I hope that covered the hours of work mechanics had to put in to dix the 4M in damages he did last season alone

[snow swan]

Lawson having his entire career burst into flames in front our eyes, with no hope of rebounding into a better team that actually will appreciate him?

[calm widget]

Max was brought up with a completely different level of discipline compared to most drivers

[snow swan]

Yuki will repeat that if he goes into that seat

[dusky root]

But it wasn't Perez's fault

[snow swan]

so will Hadjar, so will Lindblad

[calm widget]

I think that’s what Red Bull isn’t recognizing

[snow swan]

UNLESS Red Bull makes a car that is meant to be driven, not meant for Max

[weary cedar]

Absolutely. If that wasn't enough, Perez got the entire Red Bull HQ a bunch of beers.

[dusky root]

Tequila

That was a funny sponsorship segment

[late jewel]

They recognize it they just don’t care

[dusky root]

His contract got cut a week after

[late jewel]

Red bull will easily destroy someone’s career if it means winning a championship

[dusky root]

Must've been terrible tequila

[calm widget]

Im guessing Red Bull are just desperately trying to find another Max because his contract is ending in 2028 and that prolly means Max leaves after that season

[weary cedar]

I just know Christian or Helmut did not receive a since tequila from Perez 😭😭😭✌️

[minor zodiac]

Don’t make a car for your top driver. Make it worse for him so he does worse

[weary cedar]

Mexican Tequila is awesome wym

[snow swan]

They do recognize it and they do care
What do they do about it? Pray that a young driver somehow becomes the next Max Verstappen and MATCHES his driving style

Not mimics, not gets close to it, matches

[calm widget]

They shouldn’t look to match his driving style

[dusky root]

Was so bad they just had to end his contract

[snow swan]

They shouldn't, but that's what they're doing, alas

[calm widget]

They should find a driver that matches his discipline and commitment to improving

[dusky root]

*make a car neither of your 2 drivers complains about

[calm widget]

Not letting a single error go unchecked

[weary cedar]

Truth is when they made a car that was drivable for Perez (2022) Max was still performing at a top level. They just decide not to and that's what I don't understand.

[late jewel]

They absolutely do not care, red bull only cares about points. Just the nature of the game. They will sacrifice a driver if they need to and have many times already

[minor zodiac]

You guys are acting if Liam was in a even car he world be right there

That’s just not true

[dusky root]

Nono

He just wouldn't be P20

I don't expect him to match max ever in his career

[late jewel]

If Liam was in a racing bull he would be top 15 every time

Maybe top 10

[weary cedar]

Red Bull do not want another driver like Max though. That just means competition for their golden boy, which they do not want.

[late jewel]

At this point they’ll take anything lmao

[snow swan]

They are in the same car pretty much, tat for tat, it's that he's driving a car that - if you aren't named Max at birth? - you won't be able to control

[weary cedar]

The last time a Red Bull golden boy had proper competition was Sebastian Vettel with Daniel Ricciardo. Ricciardo absolutely DESTROYED him and as a result, Vettel left Red Bull for Ferrari.

[snow swan]

We saw his performance in VCARB last year

[neat latch]

Any mods in chat rn?

[dense isle]

😭

[snow swan]

Yeah, he wasn't SPEEDING past Yuki Tsunoda, but he wasn't falling back miles either, he was inching close

[dusky root]

For a guy just thrown in the seat he wasn't doing terrible

[snow swan]

And look at Kimi Antonelli as well

he isn't beating Russell by any stretch of the imagination, but he is there, he is in the points

[mossy monolith]

Kimi is already doing what I was hoping he would do after a few races

[weary cedar]

Idk DNF in Australia and P14 in China Sprint is pretty bad to me.

[snow swan]

Had the Red Bull been a car that a second driver can actually control, I can imagine Liam to have been in the points already last race, and this sprint

[calm widget]

I wish the teams had the budget to make 2 setups every race

One for each driver

[dusky root]

Kimi has a beautiful career ahead of him

[weary cedar]

They literally forgot how to make a fast car.

[dusky root]

Hopefully in red at some point in time

[snow swan]

Well what the fuck do you expect from Red Bull Racing lmao

[late jewel]

I think he’s gonna get used to it by round 10ish, we’ll start seeing top 10s out of him then

[mossy monolith]

No

[dusky root]

Hopefully in a functional red

[weary cedar]

Without Max that car would be midfield or back of the grid at best.

[mossy monolith]

He is the Merc golden boy. Let the man thrive

[dusky root]

But I need an italian driving a Ferrari

[vital birch]

fr

[neat latch]

The Red Bull car is just ass for anyone that isn't Max verstappen and that's what worries me the most about Red Bull's future, like what if max just leaves? Who would be able to drive that thing without max?

[mossy monolith]

Back of the grid at best is a wild statement

At best it would be in last place

[late jewel]

Nah without max it would still be competitive just set up a lot differently

[mossy monolith]

Makes sense

[vital birch]

how do i change from merc

[mossy monolith]

Don’t

[snow swan]

I don't expect Liam to get a hold of the RB, and I don't expect to see him in that seat by round 10 knowing the team
What happened with Perez, we've already seen, the only time we saw him rebound after the middle of the season was Baku and even then it has been a disaster due to an accident

[late jewel]

Merc ftw

[vital birch]

no fr how???

[late jewel]

What do you want to change to

[mossy monolith]

No fr don’t

[vital birch]

my name is green and i hate it

[late jewel]

This is teal mate

[vital birch]

🤮

[mossy monolith]

Bro said green

[vital birch]

ik

SAME SHIT

[weary cedar]

Max seems to be the only one that can drive that car. Logically, anyone else that isn't him wouldn't be able to extract the full potential from it.

[mossy monolith]

.roles

[late jewel]

I think he’ll do it, only time will tell. I’m really hoping he does

[mossy monolith]

Okay

That didn’t work

[neat latch]

That sounds like copium tbh

[zealous ginkgo]

how can lawson perform that bad

[maiden prism]

Good afternoon

[weary cedar]

Max proves the Red Bull IS fast, but the driving style to get the thing to do what you want is over complicated and probably very unusual.

[snow swan]

Don't get me wrong we are ALL (or so I hope, lmfao, I know die-hard haters exist) hoping that Liam can disprove everyone and somehow handle that beast... but at the same time, it's unrealistic, and would bode badly for further development as RB will get another reason NOT to make the car more driveable

[glad shadow]

not all rookies are meant to turn into Verstappen.

[zealous ginkgo]

the rb is prob made only for 1 driver

[late jewel]

A bit yes

[neat latch]

We've seen time and time again how hard to drive that thing is, and i expect nothing to change

[zealous ginkgo]

i think its the pressure he haves

[mossy monolith]

For Liam, there’s nowhere to go but up

[zealous ginkgo]

since he is in a rb

red bull

[mossy monolith]

Starting last means he can’t possibly finish worse than that

[late jewel]

The worst thing that can happen is he leaves and tsunoda gets that seat. His career will be cut in half

[neat latch]

Liam will get replaced and the replacement Will struggle too and the cycle will continue

[mossy monolith]

No pressure about losing positions

[maiden prism]

Was just talking about this, Liam is a bad driver in an unsuitable car. Ofc he’s getting p20 in quali

[late jewel]

DNF in theory is worse

[zealous ginkgo]

#tsunoda in

[mossy monolith]

Still would be last

[late jewel]

With a broken car

[mossy monolith]

Sure but technically the same

[snow swan]

I'm hoping he throws the towel, negotiates with the team to go back to Racing Bulls, and someone from that team advances to give their shot. At least that way he has the most realistic hope of not only scoring points, but also showing he is a competitive driver rather than a P20 scorer every quali

[late jewel]

Nightmare scenario for the mechanics lol

[mossy monolith]

If he wants a career, switching with Yuki is the way to go

[late jewel]

That will kill yukis career. That would be awful

[maiden prism]

Next year gonna have p22. Liam already reserved that position

[snow swan]

either Yuki, or Hadjar which I find to be the most probable - thanks Red Bull

[mossy monolith]

Cuz if he gets dropped from Red Bull, he’ll never race in F1 again

[late jewel]

If he wants a career I think he just needs to adapt to the car and do it quickly

Not to state the obvious

[maiden prism]

We said the same about perez. Look what happened to bro

[dusky root]

I believe he knows

[mossy monolith]

Could be. But it would save Liam if he could get ahold of the VCARB

Liam might be overthinking everything. If you watch his onboard he looks so unsure of himself

[late jewel]

True but vcarb has a very competitive team already and I don’t think Yuki would do much better in a red bull. Yukis a better driver but his style is nowhere near fit to be in the hyper sensitive red bull

[snow swan]

Do you imagine yourself learning Max's driving style down to the smallest detail and changing your entire driving style - relearning everything about driving technique, within a few races? That's the task Lawson has in front of him

and it's depressingly impossible

[late jewel]

Yep pretty much

It’s unfortunate

[dusky root]

He tested last year's red bull and didn't hate it. If they knew they were going to throw Liam in the car, they shouldn't have handed him the RB19

[maiden prism]

And rightfully so man, the car is extremely unstable with an Ackerman angle of like 500 degrees of course he’s gonna be careful, the only one that’s ever been able to push that car to it’s limit is max and that’ll stay true for a while

[late jewel]

True but that didn’t happen because Checo was supposed to be good

[safe merlin]

idk why but i dont like racing on china

feels werid

[late jewel]

Exactly the car is the problem

[late jewel]

It’s a good circuit

[safe merlin]

yea must be skill issue

last turn is fun tho

[snow swan]

The straight followed by that corner seems daunting to me and I'd personally hate it, as thrilling as it is

too much anxiety

[mossy monolith]

I think Red Bull will have this second seat problem until Max leaves the team

[safe merlin]

the pit entry is also werid

[maiden prism]

I do have a theory that they tuned the car to be extremely responsive just for max

[safe merlin]

just seeing the cars fly by make it seem like they crashed

[late jewel]

Then they will have to completely reconfigure the car and find 2 drivers to drive it so they’re fucked regardless

[mossy monolith]

This has been confirmed by everyone

[maiden prism]

and to believe people wanted yuki instead of Liam, he would’ve been kicked from f1 within half a season. He’s just as dangerous as max if not more

[zinc rock]

yes

[late jewel]

We are witnessing the downfall of red bull races right before us

Racing

[minor zodiac]

Don’t make the car for your top driver don’t do that

Oh please stop the dooming

[safe merlin]

nah i doubt

[forest drift]

Red Bull 2nd seat problem is so easy, they make the car for Max style of driving and it only works in a certain way

[dusky root]

The top driver doesn't like it either, so what went wrong?

[snow swan]

Nah, Yuki is a solid driver? The only bad thing happening to him is him losing the interest of EVERY SINGLE TEAM on the paddock, should he have been dropped into the Red Bull

[mossy monolith]

lol

[safe merlin]

gonna go back to pre 2021 v6 era

[forest drift]

even if Yuki went to Red Bull he’d also struggle with that car

[minor zodiac]

The car now definitely has a issue but they are both having a issue with it

[mossy monolith]

Yeah I think Red Bull has lost their way a little bit. But this is the last year of regs

[weary cedar]

Can you blame him though? He got signed instead of Yuki, gets considered the next Red Bull hot shot, and when it came to the first race, he struggles in Quali, and crashes in the race.

[late jewel]

That is rumored apparently

[minor zodiac]

It’s not like one car is perfect and the other just sucks

[safe merlin]

yuki to Cadillac

[maiden prism]

He’s really good, but the reality is yuki is inconsistent, and that’s because he’s dangerous when he drives and he will need a stable car. That car is NOT a rbr

[mossy monolith]

PR stunt

[snow swan]

2028 deadline will kill the sport, simple as

[late jewel]

Looks like it

Looks like the fia trying to rebuild their reputation

[mossy monolith]

What are you on

[weary cedar]

Should be like the old days where you can choose how many cylinders you want your engine to have

[late jewel]

Won’t kill it but will stunt its growth for a few yeRs

[dusky root]

They'd all use 6

[late jewel]

Years

[forest drift]

you’re right, but the car itself is made in a way only Max can really do something

[mossy monolith]

That would change nothing

[maiden prism]

it’s already turned into a dictatorship. There’s no going back from that

[gloomy flame]

v10s are overrated

[weary cedar]

Would be so cool if a Mercedes V6 flies past you and then you hear a Ferrari V10 next

[gloomy flame]

the v8s are better

[dusky root]

Some would shoot for 4 even

[mossy monolith]

And underpowered

[late jewel]

I’d be completely on board with freedom like that for the teams. Races would not be as close though

[maiden prism]

This guy gets it

[minor zodiac]

Yeah because he is damn good driver which gets lost in all this bs

[safe merlin]

yea f1 becomes new wec