monaco-gp

[keen pagoda]

He is hotter as he ages

[rough lichen]

Lando is now p2 in standings

[shrewd lynx]

He had a glow up

[hot dock]

He’s got it printed out!

[nova kindle]

the buzzcut was horrific

[shrewd lynx]

NAWWW

[keen pagoda]

Me when lando

[shrewd lynx]

YES OMG

The hairline was not it

[keen pagoda]

NAH FOULLLL

[nova kindle]

and dont get me started on the brown or whatever color that hair was

[shrewd lynx]

The post breakup got to him

[nova kindle]

the hair transplant was the best decision he made in his life

[hot dock]

That’s def what he has printed out😭🙏🏼

[nova kindle]

saved his life

[shrewd lynx]

😭

[nova kindle]

thank u to his parents

[nova kindle]

u made a masterpiece

[tawny mason]

with a space

[shrewd lynx]

Toto is genuinely so fine

Susie is too

Susie is mother

[proper mango]

The parking is a chaos

[shrewd lynx]

They're so perfect I cant

My parents 😝

[hot dock]

That is NOT bros parents

[shrewd lynx]

🧎🏻‍♀️

[shrewd lynx]

WOO

[vernal holly]

https://fxtwitter.com/sebastianbaughh/status/1804880393079812160

[shrewd lynx]

WOOFFFF

[hot dock]

If she told u bark for her u would

[shrewd lynx]

No hesitation

[shrewd lynx]

I'm literally a lesbian, I know a fine woman when I see one

[hot dock]

No mickey no that was so not right 😔😔

[shrewd lynx]

Me too Max me too

[still forge]

https://vxtwitter.com/forsainz/status/1804892243410772203?t=4hhF7cu6_K-iyvdkYhTLvQ&s=19

Caption this:

[hot dock]

Woah maxy

[shrewd lynx]

Max caught lacking

[knotty mist]

Glad to see George got his elbows out again. Most attacking driver on the grid, and the best wheel to wheel combat driver.

Yeah the poor pitstop and hards screwed him a bit but that happens

awesome race with the mercs

[shrewd lynx]

Go girl give us P4

[knotty mist]

Hamilton 3rd and deserved#

[shrewd lynx]

Real

[hot dock]

Lando was so close to getting max 😔

[shrewd lynx]

The way I jumped

[hot dock]

Yet maxy wins again😔

[knotty mist]

I always love the old, George isnt as good as Lewis on race tyres. No joke, Lewis is no 1 in being really fast whilst saving tyres. George wasn't even that far behind, 5 seconds behind on rubbish hards.

And that START was fire. Best start and move in years from a start of a race.

[wicked wing]

https://tenor.com/view/lando-norris-legend-gif-18086404

TU TU TU DU MAX VERSTAPPEN

[floral fulcrum]

At the beginning, I was able to hold on, so there was no such thing as pursuit, and I suddenly fell to third place

[tulip sparrow]

Am I the only one that thought the introductions at the beginning of the race were hysterical 😭

[pure shuttle]

Did anyone else catch crofty at the end trying to sell Silverstone tickets 😅

[rough lichen]

Allot of McLaren’s fans in crowd

[rough lichen]

Ya horrible by lando tho

[fathom sequoia]

ngl, lando catching up to max the last two laps got me nervous

[hot dock]

I can just tell the pain in his voice

[chilly parcel]

Max is super human

[cold knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/sainz-sainz-jr-f1-formula1-carlos-sainz-gif-22691552

[chilly parcel]

The McLarens were the best cars on the grid and Max is just like "okay"

[karmic trellis]

U know the answer when Max and Lewis laugh

2 Arch-rivals laughing at ur answers

[cyan saffron]

That was so funny.

[karmic trellis]

"enough room"

Famous words used during lewis vs max races

[cyan saffron]

The whole press conference was just funny stuff, even the question before of Max not getting enough appreciation.

Lando's answer there was just hilarious as well.

[karmic trellis]

[cyan saffron]

He was really digging his own grave.

[karmic trellis]

Yeah

3 times world champion + 7 times world champion laughing at ur answer

💀

If it was me i would probably start packing my shit and leave

[chilly parcel]

I think it's more of a "don't speak the quiet part out loud kid"

[karmic trellis]

He will learn eventually

Those types of questions r the HARDEST ones to answer

Max is the legend at answering questions

[cyan saffron]

Well, at least he gave everyone else a laugh.

[karmic trellis]

Yeah

He is young

[chilly parcel]

He saved Lando. It's so clear they are friends and respect each other.

[karmic trellis]

And isn't being a jerk

More people likes him than not

[chilly parcel]

Very different from how Lewis interacted with other drivers.

[karmic trellis]

Max also saved lando last post interview?

The one where max said "if my mom had balls"

[chilly parcel]

Max does it all the time for Lando whereas Max just keeps like Lewis bury himself with whining.

[karmic trellis]

Max has the mentality of true champion monster

Doesn't give a fk what u say about him

Stands on the top is his goal

[rough lichen]

First time in a long time Lewis beat Russel

[chilly parcel]

It was a clean beat too in multiple spots. Russel is just making too many mistakes

[karmic trellis]

Poor russell with hard tires

[chilly parcel]

Lando though is the one that probably should be kicking himself.

With McLaren being faster, beating Max today would go a long way to put WDC back into play

[karmic trellis]

Even if he catch up to max

But getting pass him is another story

[chilly parcel]

I mean he shouldn't have lost pole to begin with

[karmic trellis]

Just ask Lewis how hard it is to pass Max

[novel sorrel]

Max has the W I D E S T car in the field.

[karmic trellis]

💀

[chilly parcel]

Lando basically botched the launch and took too long to get past Russel whereas Max did much quicker work of Russel with a slower car.

[karmic trellis]

Yeah

[novel sorrel]

Also makes a bunch of shitty moves if you’re trying to pass him but no penalty because “the stewards don’t want to interfere with a battle”

[karmic trellis]

He focus too much on max at start

If he get ahead using the car speed

He would be winning

[chilly parcel]

I think focusing on Max was justified but he botched the execution and took too long to pass Russel

[karmic trellis]

He moved too far right

[chilly parcel]

"botched execution"

[novel sorrel]

Honestly it feels like RBR focuses more on race pace than quali pace. So they qualify right in the mix but then max can get clear of DRS and then basically coast.

[chilly parcel]

Lando was catching up to Max by tenths of a second per lap whenever he had clean ai

air

[karmic trellis]

Couple times during the race max kinda slid a bit

[chilly parcel]

he just didn't race as well as max when it came to passing people

[karmic trellis]

Staying the tires are inconsistent

[novel sorrel]

Parc Ferme basically means they’re stuck with the setup they qualify for, so if they set up max for a high fuel load pace, then odds are he won’t qualify great.

[chilly parcel]

Max just slayed Russel... and he had a slower car.

[karmic trellis]

The pass max made on russell was beautiful

[chilly parcel]

Lando twiddled his thumb and took forever to even pass the Ferraris

[karmic trellis]

CLEAN

[chilly parcel]

If Lando and Max swapped cars and positions after the launch, I have no doubt Max would have run like 15 seconds clear of the field in the McLaren

[karmic trellis]

Yeah

[chilly parcel]

Lando would take even longer to pass people and Max would have the better pace the whole race

[karmic trellis]

Max would be at the finish line drinking champagne

Wondering where dafuk everyone at

Last year Austrian GP, max had 24 sec lead

Fking insane

And he chose to get the fastest lap

Which drop the gap to 3 sec

Coming out of pit lane

[chilly parcel]

Max passing Russel was soooo beautiful. The beauty of it was he wasn't forcing moves early like Lando and Russel have been in last few races. Max just managed his tyre and went for it in the cleanest spot where he knew he would get past.

[karmic trellis]

https://tenor.com/view/verstappen-max-verstappen-f1-racing-jos-verstappen-gif-14899758

[chilly parcel]

The confidence to wait and believe in his ability to execute. A true champion's heart.

[stiff bough]

Max, slower car than the Mercedes?

lol.

[karmic trellis]

I think the RB and Mercedes is nearly same in terms of speed

McLaren is definitely faster than rest noticeably

[rough lichen]

Ya the redbull is made for max driving style

[karmic trellis]

RB is oversteer which is what max wants

Even his dad say is too much

[rough lichen]

Ya correct Perez struggle so bad in that car

[karmic trellis]

McLaren is the opposite if i remember correctly

Understeer

Riccardo struggled in McLaren

After being used to RB

[stiff bough]

So then setup the car for what you need in order to go fast

[stiff bough]

Are they? When Max started pushing on that final stint, Lando was basically gaining nothing on him

It wasn't until the final two laps before Lando started to close that gap significantly, which is when Max stopped pushing.

[karmic trellis]

I think lando kinda gave up on catching max

On the last tiny bit

He did cut the time down from 9 seconds down to 2

Which is hella impressive

[rough lichen]

2.2 his start tho was horrible

[karmic trellis]

Once lando go back and rewatch the race

He will probably understand what max and lewis laughing at

[lyric plank]

man

[jolly yoke]

Hello

What ur guys opinions on the race ?

[cyan saffron]

It was a decent race.

[rough lichen]

Sad race lando did horrible at the start

[glacial cobalt]

i woke up for the race

5 laps in

I just knew max was gonna win again 😭

[glacial cobalt]

REAL

[coarse obsidian]

I knew the second that Lando let him pass him.

[glacial cobalt]

real

Ferrari is burning so badly

[rough lichen]

No lando would had it if he didn’t do a bad start

[glacial cobalt]

yeah thats what i said

[rough lichen]

Anyway Austria next

[glacial cobalt]

lesgoo

race week again 🗣️‼️

[snow swan]

[Lando and Max fighting it out on the start]
George: Excuuuuuuse me 😎

[neon mesa]

Haha

[snow swan]

Let's gooooo!

[lament slate]

Now it lookin like merc is more better then Ferrari. This mean Lewis will do switch again?

[remote knoll]

😭

[chilly parcel]

Slower than McLaren but he dispatched with Russel faster than Lando did

[edgy latch]

my ferrari boys are fighting im scared

[remote knoll]

🙄

[past galleon]

LOGAN SARGENT

[remote knoll]

Sargeant

[past galleon]

WTF IS A KILOMETER 🦅 🦅 🦅 🦅🇺🇸

opp mb

Sargeant

[edgy latch]

MERICAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

RAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[prisma sluice]

YAA!! 'MERICA

[hushed olive]

What we learned from the Spanish GP:

• Max can still win without having a dominant car.
• Russell is one of the best at starts in F1.
• Lando lost the victory on the first lap.
• The cars of the Ferrari drivers were sabotaged after Leclerc's victory in Monaco.
• Mercedes is now a front-running team.
• Alonso is not at his best moment.
• VCARB have lost performance.
• Alpine is now better than Haas.
• Checo still has bad performance

[signal nexus]

I can relate with most of those things, if not all

Sadly

[round bobcat]

We knew max could win in a nondominant car during mercs run of success

But yeah I agree with it all

[left sun]

Red bull still have arguably the best car on the grid tbh

[hushed olive]

but is close to mclaren and not as dominant as last year

[left sun]

True

That’s why I’m excited for next year

If everyone keeps form now

2025 will legitimately be up for grabs by anyone cause all 4 of the top constructors have shown they’re capable of winning races

[rough lichen]

Drivers championchip gonna be more fun 2025

[snow swan]

oopsnwas in erong thread

[fathom current]

I don't have enough time to watch the GP for a few more days, can someone summarize it? 🙏

[snow swan]

THAT BIG HAT MAN IS BACK BB

[hasty swan]

#monaco-gp message

[fathom current]

thx

[snow swan]

He is inevitable

[regal ferry]

yup

[tranquil dragon]

hamilton is beginning to regret leaving merc

[tender isle]

he ain’t wrong 😭

used to go from a 20+ second lead to now 2

[stiff bough]

What is there to regret

[snow swan]

Ask ya mom

kiss$ingggg

kiddding i mean

im old i cant type

sorry 😍

[frank isle]

Ferrari's curent performances and the fact that mercedes found the probleme with the w15

Thats what allison said

[stiff bough]

So? He has a 3 year contract and Ferrari are doing well themselves.

Mercedes only let him have a 1+1, they were already moving onto the future of their own team.

[toxic radish]

Fun fact: Max Verstappen first took the championship lead in Spain 2022 and has not lost it since

[cloud oracle]

Nah that's not a FUN fact :/

[toxic radish]

Lando Norris is also the only driver to have scored points in all races this year

[slate rose]

Who is better leclerc or sainz

What’s the ranking of leclerc sainz Russel Norris Perez

I think leclerc then Norris then Russel then sainz Perez piastri

[lyric plank]

leclerc

[frank isle]

I think sainz but he is not the main project of ferrari

[frank egret]

Theyre equal

They have their strengths and weaknesses

[vocal lynx]

leclerc is overall the better driver

sainz can definitely have his moments tho

just like in australia

[chilly parcel]

Man Yuki’s car…

[snow swan]

It’s been two years

TUTUTUTU

[halcyon island]

yeah vcarb got downgrades

tbh logan should be kicked out now for kimi

[visual loom]

I feel so bad for Logan but yeah

[halcyon island]

as much as i feel bad for logan because his development was rushed he obviously cant get points

[visual loom]

I just can’t imaging working towards something your entire life, finally getting there, and then losing it so quickly

It has to be devastating

[halcyon island]

yeah he definitely needed more years in f2

its undeserved

[visual loom]

Yeah it’s his fault for underperforming, but it’s not like he’s doing so on purpose

[halcyon island]

i hope he does well in another category

[visual loom]

Yeah me too

[halcyon island]

but now would be a good time to develop kimi

[visual loom]

Yes it would

[halcyon island]

lets be honest its super dumb to bring him straight to merc

he would just be logan with a better car

and more press pressure

[visual loom]

I want to see checo, Logan, and zhou get replaced with kimi, Liam, and Ollie

[halcyon island]

rn its more like danny ric vs liam lawson

[visual loom]

Yeah true

I just can’t get over checos form

[halcyon island]

i think liam deserves the seat but danny ric has good pace sometimes

[visual loom]

Maybe he would do better in Myanmar f4

[halcyon island]

actually

besides quali

yesterday his race was decent

[visual loom]

💀

[halcyon island]

p11-p8

its not that horrendous

and red bull isnt like a dominant car

[visual loom]

Yeah, fighting with a sauber isn’t a good look tho

[halcyon island]

true but oscar also had around the same

[visual loom]

And how far behind max did he finish? Like a minute?

[halcyon island]

p9-p7

[halcyon island]

true

[visual loom]

Yeah Oscar had a poor showing too 😭

Felt bad for him

[halcyon island]

max is in another league tho

[visual loom]

He’s one of my favs

[halcyon island]

quali messed him up

[visual loom]

Max is unreal

He’ll bounce back tho

He’s too good to not

[halcyon island]

it would be like reasonable for checo to be like p2-p6 ish

[visual loom]

Yes exactly

[halcyon island]

win in austria? (im delusional)

[visual loom]

I wish

And then lando win in silverstone

[halcyon island]

he needs like a decent quali

for once

[visual loom]

😂

[halcyon island]

like qualify in top 1-3

[halcyon island]

imagine the scenes of a triple british podium

[visual loom]

I feel like he needs another year and then he’ll be really really really good

[halcyon island]

probably not happening

[halcyon island]

yeah next year probably he can be at the top consistently

[visual loom]

Lando Lewis and who, George?

[halcyon island]

i guess

but probably not happening

[visual loom]

That would be amazing

I could see lando and Lewis on the podium

[halcyon island]

only see one merc driver on the podium

[halcyon island]

i feel that it could be lewis or george

but not both

[visual loom]

True

[snow swan]

Lando making that 17 secs gap to Lewis was so unreal lol

[halcyon island]

yeah he just ran away yesterday

if only he wasnt on a whack strategy and dosent have bad pits

the pit stop lost him like 1 second

[snow swan]

He has the car but the team strategy is just not helping him

[halcyon island]

so if it was quick the gap to max is only 1 second

if he wasnt on that whack ass strat he could have won

[snow swan]

Shitty pitstops, extra outlaps while he could just come in and push max

[visual loom]

I think getting stuck behind George is more what cost him

[halcyon island]

mclaren need to relook at their strats bro this is not the first time this season 😭

[snow swan]

Literally Imola too

[halcyon island]

honestly speaking after going 1/3 of the race on softs

he should have tried a one stop and went on hards

[visual loom]

Eh

[halcyon island]

and box if there wqs a safety car

[visual loom]

The hards were ass

[snow swan]

The degradation will catch up to him

Hard were so bad

[halcyon island]

its better than wtv shit mclaren was cooking tho

[snow swan]

Can't rely on safety cars all the time

[halcyon island]

true

[halcyon island]

yeah especially with these regs

crashes are non existent

can probably count the nunber of crashes on one hand

[snow swan]

The strategy was good but the time when they brought him into pits and that shit pitstop cost him the win

[halcyon island]

the second stop overall was what cost him

plus the second stop strat

[snow swan]

It let Max have a peaceful laps and look after his tires until Lando started pushing

[halcyon island]

yeah and there wasnt enough laps

[snow swan]

Their crew is fighting with Mercedes while they could fight with Max

Every week they ask Lando what to do like bro wtf, why are you there

[halcyon island]

they need to understand merc is not a threat 💀

they are faster but not fast enough

[snow swan]

Literally no winning mentality

[halcyon island]

literally the gap to lando was like what

11 seconds

[snow swan]

The car is good, just shit mentality

[halcyon island]

they arent fast enough to fight for wins

[snow swan]

And shit strategy calls

[snow swan]

Yes, they are

[halcyon island]

and most of the time it looks more like they fight against each other

mercedes things

[halcyon island]

i feel that their race pace is pretty bad tho

they just drop really quicklu

[snow swan]

whats happened, has happened

We move forward

[halcyon island]

forward on the grid too

[snow swan]

Hopefully the team realizes that they can win and the only thing holding them back is themselves

Tired of reading gutted, we could have had win

[halcyon island]

mercedes are holding back mercedes

somewhat the same for mclaren

but not as bad

[snow swan]

I am talking about McLaren

[halcyon island]

checo is holding back red bull

and ferrari ehhh

their upgrades became downgrades and now both of them are beefing lmao

no one is talking about the alpine comeback tho

its crazy

they can consistently fight for points now and it hasnt even been half the season

[desert ingot]

I was rooting for ferrari to get podium but like they stucked in p5/p6 all the way 😟

[snow swan]

Alpine are best of the midfield pack and they can literally fight with Ferrari at this point

[halcyon island]

mercedes replacing ferraris position atp

[desert ingot]

Where are they beefing?

[halcyon island]

but merc are too far back in the wcc to fight for it this year

[snow swan]

Not while having Lando overtaking both Mercedes twice

[halcyon island]

charles called out carlos after the race and carlos said something like he didn't have time for it

[snow swan]

Mercedes are finding their consistency and I am happy for them

[halcyon island]

mercedes fans are getting worse everyday bruh

actually no

just the lewis ones

[snow swan]

There was an incident between them and they almost took themselves out

[desert ingot]

😮 called out where? Omg i havent seen that

[snow swan]

Just look at the radios during the race

[desert ingot]

I mean it was posted or something?

[halcyon island]

cant wait for next year when merc socials will not be a george flaming session

[halcyon island]

f1 instagram

mick/vesti honestly deserve a chance at williams

its unfair how they wait so long and kimi just storms in

williams probably cant afford the number of crashes mick will have tho

but he deserves another chance

[desert ingot]

Yooo-- i just watched it. And fudge thats why i didnt seen them together on the post race videos.

I wonder about george and Hamilton though. They also raced each other on the few final laps

[cyan saffron]

It's rawe ceek.

[stiff bough]

If they deserved a chance they would've gotten one.

Here's the thing.

A good driver looks for room, a great driver makes room.

[barren bronze]

ITS RAWE CEEEEK

[snow swan]

Could Sainz join Vcarb next season?

Or Liam is ready to take that seat once the season ends

[chilly parcel]

Liam is more valuable than Sainz for RB. The question is if RB keeps Ricciardo

Ricciardo is a waste of a seat now. That the car just got gawd awful might actually buy him time since he loses the chance to prove conclusively he’s useless

[uneven flare]

when lando got investigated at the start people were thinking it was for max 😭

[cyan saffron]

And actually the car getting worse would be even better for a rookie.

[chilly parcel]

Ricciardo just needs to go. I struggle to understand what his upside is

[buoyant cradle]

oh sargeant my king.. look how they’ve massacred you

P20

[chilly parcel]

Sergeant just failed to step up

[halcyon island]

kimi isnt even like so amazing he deserves to jump from f2 to mercedes

its super unfair to the other drivers that might and probably will br a safer choice

at most kimi deserves to go to williams

so he can prove himself

its not like logan is doing anything good anyways

[halcyon island]

if ur a williams fan just turn the tv upside down

it will be much better trust me

[cyan saffron]

[stiff bough]

That's strange, because everyone in the paddock regards him as the next Verstappen-level talent. I don't know if you remember 2014, but Mercedes lost out on Max Verstappen because they didn't offer him an F1 seat right away

[halcyon island]

not everyone is max verstappen

[stiff bough]

Nope, but if this is Mercedes chance at getting someone close to him, they're gonna grab it with both hands.

[cyan saffron]

That's correct but Kimi also isn't everyone.

[uneven flare]

i mean he has been performing normally on yukis level sometimes better

[halcyon island]

yes but max went to toro rosso first

kimi is jumping to merc

[stiff bough]

Failing to see the problem here

[halcyon island]

he should probably go to williams first at least

[stiff bough]

Verstappen got promoted mid season and then won on debut

[halcyon island]

he has 0 f1 experienxe

[cyan saffron]

Well, Lewis went straight to McLaren.

Oscar did as well.

[halcyon island]

oscar has more experience than kimi does i beliece

and for lewis i didnt watch f1 then so i wont comment

[stiff bough]

Experience can always be acquired.

[halcyon island]

honestly all im saying he should go to williams first

they can do it this season

kick logan out

[stiff bough]

Williams won't sign him without a two year contract.

[halcyon island]

he dosent deserve the seat anymore

a contract dosent mean he cant sign with another team

im pretty sure if mercedes wanted to they could

[stiff bough]

Williams stand to gain nothing from this. Why would they sign a Mercedes junior, and more importantly, why would they agree to a contract with Mercedes and Antonelli that leaves the opportunity for him to go to Mercedes after one year? It is not beneficial to them in any realm, and it makes no sense from their perspective.

It's not 2018 anymore, Williams aren't strapped for cash looking for every single discount they can scrounge up, the times are different. What they were able to do with George is simply not possible anymore.

[halcyon island]

keeping logan isnt beneficial either

[stiff bough]

Which is why they're looking for other drivers, yes.

[halcyon island]

williams are still pretty cash strapped lol

on par with haas

who are both getting less poor

[stiff bough]

Clearly not if they can afford facilities upgrades, and Carlos Sainz

[cyan saffron]

yeah

[stiff bough]

Just a couple years ago, Williams getting a facility upgrade wasn't even possible

[halcyon island]

wait i gtg see ya later

[cyan saffron]

Also budget cap helps in that having the money for these investments.

As there's anyway a limited amount of money they can spend for the actual car.

[late tide]

why don't williams just look to sign someone like Zhou

doesn't make all that much sense to me

he's a half decent driver, he's not exactly setting the sport on fire but he knows what to do behind a wheel

i think he'd make a decent second driver for williams next season especially since the chance of him driving for audi next year is almost 0

[sage raft]

because they want sainz

and bottas has been linked to that seat too

[stiff bough]

half decent but 0.35 tenths off of Valtteri across the board 🤔

[late tide]

3 tenths off a driver with much more experience doesn’t sound so bad to me

and he’s put in some respectable finishes this season albeit failing to score points

[stiff bough]

Given that last year he was about a tenth off of Valtteri, regressing is not a good look.

[cyan saffron]

and still ahead of Bottas in the championship

[stiff bough]

With this being his third year, he should really be on par with Valtteri by now.

[late tide]

mmmm

I still hold by my opinion that he’s a decent driver

[stiff bough]

I think that's a given if you've managed to get to F1.

[late tide]

not necessarily…

[sage raft]

zhou’s not that bad by any means, sainz and bottas are just better options

[late tide]

https://tenor.com/view/mazepin-mazesbin-haas-spin-bahrain2021-gif-21267074

[stiff bough]

There is probably like 3 f1 drivers in the last 24 years who were genuinely bad despite making it to F1

Most of the crop, even if they performed bad in F1 did do relatively well in sportscars and other championships of the like

[cyan saffron]

Yeah, Mazepin did quite solid in F2.

Well, Latifi needed 6 F2 seasons for the super license.

And still hasn't won the title.

[late tide]

honestly? I expect hulk-bottas at audi next season

[sage raft]

would be quite interesting

i guess it all depends on what sainz does

[chilly parcel]

Zhou is probably done and won’t get another chance

[late tide]

I hope not

but there’s a fair chance you’re right

[late tide]

sainz either goes to williams (no Zhou), or he fumbles the bag

[chilly parcel]

He didn’t do that badly. In a different car he might have some points but he just produced nothing in the Saubet and was so conclusively outperformed by Bottas it’s hard to keep him, unless he gets a flood Chinese money

[sage raft]

fumbles the bag how? by not choosing?

[late tide]

yeah

[chilly parcel]

Fumbles the bag by holding out and ending up without a F1 seat

[sage raft]

that’d be embarrassing

he knows he’s got few options now

[chilly parcel]

It sucks for him but I think Williams is his only option

[cyan saffron]

Well, Carlos could still end up at Alpine if he fucks up both Sauber and Williams.

[sage raft]

oh fuck no

[chilly parcel]

Alpine is a shit show

[cyan saffron]

That's true.

And it gets worse and worse.

Well, actually the car becomes better.

But everything else doesn't.

[chilly parcel]

Williams is a shit show too now to be fair but the new management is at least dedicated to fixing it so there is upside

[cyan saffron]

yeah

Whilst Alpine is literally an inner destruction.

[chilly parcel]

Alpine doing its best imitation of Ferrari but with less money

[sage raft]

at least ferrari isn’t destroying itself

[cyan saffron]

yeah

[snow swan]

Budget Ferrari

[cyan saffron]

I mean Alpine literally lost everyone in the team.

well, almost everyone

[tardy hamlet]

I mean the racers are having a bit of a civil war rn

[sage raft]

not the first time, not the last time

[hollow goblet]

Yep

I will continue

[sage raft]

and sainz will go anyway, so it’s not a long term problem

[hollow goblet]

It*

[chilly parcel]

They’ve been at it for so long it’s management failure either in terms of personnel or in terms of managing

Toto managed Rosberg and Hamilton after a while

Alpine gave us these amazing watches though https://h-moser.com/alpine-motorsports-h-moser/

[versed egret]

🔥

[buoyant cradle]

that’s what i’ve been doing 😭😭

[fleet aspen]

There is 350 points available maximum for drivers (not including sprint races and fastest lap points).

Max = 219

Lando = 150

Charles = 148

2024

Points available: 350 > 325 > 300 > 275 > 250 > 225 > 200 > 175 > 150

Points difference: 69 > 112 > 155 > 198 > 241 > 284 > 327 > 370 > 413

Max Verstappen: 219 > 244 > 269 > 294 > 319 > 344 > 369 > 394 > 419

Lando Norris: 150 > 168 > 186 > 204 > 222 > 240 > 258 > 276 > 294

Maxipies needs to win 5 more races to secure WDC 2024. If Super Max wins the next 5 races the Dutch lion can be crowned champion of the world in his home country

🥹🫶🦁

[hasty cedar]

wait fr?

[sage raft]

no

[hasty cedar]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-max-gif-10487980

[tardy hamlet]

It takes 9

He didn't math right

[hasty cedar]

math is not mathing

[tardy hamlet]

If I trust the people I'm gen

[narrow garnet]

first thing, man didn't take sprints into consideration there

[hasty cedar]

fr

[narrow garnet]

or fastest lap points

BRUH SOMEONE WON F1 PLAY THIS WEEKEND

[fleet aspen]

There is 350 points available maximum for drivers (not including sprint races and fastest lap points).

Max = 219

Lando = 150

Charles = 148

2024

Points available: 350 > 325 > 300 > 275 > 250 > 225 > 200 > 175 > 150 > 125 > 100

Points difference: 69 > 76 > 83 > 90 > 97 > 104 > 111 > 118 > 125 > 132 > 139

Max Verstappen: 219 > 244 > 269 > 294 > 319 > 344 > 369 > 394 > 419

Lando Norris: 150 > 168 > 186 > 204 > 222 > 240 > 258 > 276 > 294

Maxipies needs to win 9 more races to win WDC 2024 assuming Lando manages second each race.

The Dutch Lion can be crowned in USA

🥹🫶🦁

[hasty cedar]

icl lando wont win another race or sprint this season

he dosnt have the mental capacity to be fighting for one yet

[narrow garnet]

If he doesn't win Austria he won't win again this year, this should be a slam dunk track for him to win

[pure aurora]

😔 😔

I feel sad

no lando or piastri win

[distant stag]

Fr mclaren need to replace them fr

[stable comet]

I’ll be incredibly shocked if he wins 9 in a row.

Their advantage isn’t what it once was.

Not that I doubt he won’t win the title, but 9 wins in a row would beat even last year’s 10 in a row, which I do not see happening with the RB20.

[narrow garnet]

if Lando keeps bottling he could

[stable comet]

The field is too close.

Not even mentioning Singapore would be within 9 races

And to be honest I expect Ferrari to be favorites there and Baku.

They have such an advantage in slow speed corners.

[narrow garnet]

it's ferrari, they'll find a way to finish behind merc now that they're up with us too

[stable comet]

Well then what about Mercedes? They seemed to have also figured it out.

[narrow garnet]

I'm expecting VER/NOR/HAM to become the new HAM/VER/BOT

[stable comet]

One weekend awry is all that would need to go wrong to lose 9 in a row.

[stable comet]

Or Ver Nor Lec.

The reason why I think Ferrari ‘struggled’ in Spain was that the circuit didn’t suit them. It’s more close to China, which they also didn’t perform too well at.

[pseudo pike]

V possible but for now I’m gonna argue that merc is gonna be more consistent than Ferrari

[stable comet]

And even then, they were only 2 tenths off.

[narrow garnet]

Spain is the benchmark track, underpeforming expectations is not a good look

[stable comet]

Well VCARB went from 5th quickest to 9th worst.

Do you think they’ll be 9th quickest the rest of the year, then?

[narrow garnet]

idk, we'll see

[stable comet]

It’s a benchmark for high speed and medium speed.

Since they removed the chicane, it’s less about Low Speed, which now suits the Ferrari.

McLaren will be the team to beat in Silverstone. They are incredible in high speed.

Austria is open.

I expect Haas to do well there.

They always run well in Austria, and this year they are unreal in top speed which will help out a lot.

[fleet aspen]

The fact that the field is so close actually makes it easier for max in a sense.

Lando has to compete against the likes of Mercedes, Ferrari and Piastri for points.

I can see Piastri and George taking a P1 this season. Any time Lando and Charles don’t make P1 or P2 helps max greatly

https://tenor.com/view/supermax-verstappen-f1-nederland-zandvoort-gif-21797624

[stable comet]

Not quite. It could also mean that Red Bull fuck up the setup (as we’ve already seen this year twice) and be behind McLaren, Ferrari, and Mercedes and at best get a P9.

This is all the while the other teams are getting faster and faster compared to the Red Bull, with McLaren bringing a sizeable upgrade to Silverstone as well as Mercedes.

Max losing one race is worse than Norris finishing in P5.

Compared to P2.

Could he? Sure.

[fleet aspen]

Redbull are yet to have their upgrades yet. Max is 69 points clear atm.

He can afford 2 DNF’s and still be in the lead. He’s in position for WDC 2024 and I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t get it.

Even constructors Checo maybe struggling but they’re still in the clear there also.

[stable comet]

Will he?

I doubt it.

[stable comet]

Red Bull brought upgrades to Spain.

[fleet aspen]

And max P1 🥹🫶🇪🇸

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-red-bull-racing-super-max-gif-25486685

[slim chasm]

they don't

that's just track specific changes

[stable comet]

They brought more than that.

I’ll pull up the FIA doc.

[fleet aspen]

Please I want to read it 🙏

[slim chasm]

they might cook a flex wing and be done with the season

[slim chasm]

they didn't

[fleet aspen]

They won’t solve the suspensions issue during season 😔

[stable comet]

Swear that they did.

[slim chasm]

eh who cares, it brings advantages in most areas

not enough to jeopardize 2024 I mean

[fleet aspen]

Max is an animal 🦁

Super max 🥹

[stable comet]

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bull-reveals-five-key-changes-to-rb20-for-spanish-grand-prix/10625480/

Trying to get the official doc.

One more sec.

[narrow garnet]

one would also imagine McLaren also still have another major upgrade coming later too

[stable comet]

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bulls-barcelona-f1-upgrades-are-bigger-than-it-claims/10625881/

[stable comet]

Silverstone.

[narrow garnet]

tbf to trigger, of the ones they had to declare most of them were track specific parts

[fleet aspen]

McLaren is fast enough already 👀

Fastest car on the track atm

[narrow garnet]

doesn't mean we're gonna stop :)

[stable comet]

@slim chasm

[fleet aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/heart-broke-shattered-gif-22258177

[stable comet]

I was right.

They did bring upgrades.

[slim chasm]

exactly

[stable comet]

Beam wing and Rear wing endplate.

Not just circuit specific changes like you said.

[slim chasm]

no meaningful upgrades

[late remnant]

the grammar is top notch frfr

[stable comet]

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/red-bulls-barcelona-f1-upgrades-are-bigger-than-it-claims/10625881/

[slim chasm]

if that counts then there's an upgrade in 90% of the season lol

[slim chasm]

what about it

[stable comet]

Read the article.

It'll explain it.

[slim chasm]

a tiny change to the inglet?

lmao

they are reaching

[narrow garnet]

It's journalists, they'll try and make even the smallest changes seem like some big thing

[stable comet]

There's also been work undertaken at the rear of the car, as the team has prepared a new beam wing arrangement that required alterations to be made to the lower portion of the endplate.

The team has confirmed that this region of the endplate was not at the full width permitted within the regulations, with the area now seemingly more fanned out than before.

This has allowed the designers to extrude the beam wing outwards and increase each element's span.

Oh thanks Discord.

I'll go fuck myself then.

[narrow garnet]

see ferrari's upgrades, the media were hyping them up as some big game changer, and what happened? well, someone should have listened to Carlos

[stable comet]

This circuit didn't suit the Ferrari.

[narrow garnet]

I was talking about the Imola ones

[stable comet]

It also didn't help that Sainz gave Leclerc endplate damage on lap 2.

Being a dick.

They weren't quick enough to win but they were surely good enough for a podium.

I expect them to be decent-good in Austria and not as good in Silverstone.

[fleet aspen]

In Sainz defence it’s traditional for Ferrari to in fight 😅

Also to be fair to Lando he also suffered front wing damage this race

[stable comet]

Not only did he do that, he also took both of them out of the DRS from the cars in front, so they were unable to stay in the DRS train.

[slim chasm]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferrari-could-switch-to-red-bulls-f1-suspension-concept-for-hamiltons-arrival/10618672/

The aftermath is also hilarious

[stable comet]

Why are we listening to Carlos?

Dude has not spouted anything meaningful in 3 months.

[fleet aspen]

Sainz has been over shadowed by Leclerc. Sainz has taken P1’s also. It’s naturally for him to want to beat his team mate. Can’t hold that against him for wanting to race - it’s his profession 🫶

[stable comet]

They had a debrief before the race as to what to do and Sainz intentionally ignored that.

They were to hold position, save tyres, and sit in the DRS train and wait.

Sainz tried to be a hero and failed massively.

End of.

[fleet aspen]

I mean in 2023 only three drivers took P1; Max The Dutch Lion, Sergio Checo Perez and Carlos Smooth Operator Sainz.

Leclerc wins one Monaco and thinks he’s the goat

[stable comet]

Sainz, who still finished well behind his teammate.

And is still miles off his teammate.

[fleet aspen]

So did Checo but I will still support him

[stable comet]

Checo doesn't spout shit like he runs the team.

Sainz does.

[fleet aspen]

So is Checo doesn’t mean that they aren’t a good driver

[narrow garnet]

Carlos was the one who said the Imola upgrades weren't as big as everyone was hyping them up to be, and he was completely correct

[fleet aspen]

Carlos Sainz is an amazing driver I’m sorry, I’m not a huge Ferrari fan but to discredit Carlos is wild

[stable comet]

Well when Vasseur himself said he estimated the upgrades to be around 3 tenths per lap.

And said that 'with these upgrades, we can compete for wins' what do you expect to happen?

The media to not hype them up?

[stable comet]

He can be great but he's not Leclerc.

[fleet aspen]

The media can say what they want but Carlos was one of three last year to win

[jade mural]

Congrats @fleet aspen, you're now on lap 30

[stable comet]

Where was Sainz in the do or die race for P2 in constructors last year?

[fleet aspen]

I think the pressure is getting to Charles to be honest

[stable comet]

I know Leclerc finished P2, doing everything he possibly could.

[stable comet]

Oh wait, that's right.

P12 on pace.

[fleet aspen]

And when Lewis joins Ferrari next year I think Charles will be outclassed

[slim chasm]

The Lewis that is rn being washed by George?

[fleet aspen]

I’m not a Hamilton fan but the dude can drive and he will outclass Charles

[stable comet]

You mean the one who’s 32 points ahead of his teammate and hasn’t been beaten in either Qualy or Race since Japan?

[fleet aspen]

Russel is an incredible driver. He could easily be a future WDC champion.

It’s about experience and he’s about 18 months behind Norris.

Russel just needs the experience of leading a race and setting the pace.

Practise will make him more comfortable and confident defending against the likes of max and Norris.

[slim chasm]

wouldn't all that applies to Charles and more

[stable comet]

Quite literally lol.

Charles stepped into Ferrari in his second year and thrashed Seb.

Who was challenging for WDCs the two years prior.

[fleet aspen]

I hope so, I’m not a huge Ferrari fan and I want Charles to do well.

However Ferrari have made a huge mistake

[stable comet]

In what?

Removing a snake from their team?

For a much better 7x WDC?

Leclerc is miles better than Sainz.

Need not forget what happened in early 2022?

[marble flower]

where is sainz gonna go now tho

[fleet aspen]

An F1 team needs a leading driver and a support driver to win constructors.

Lewis is hungry to be the great of all time and beat Schumacher for his 8th WDC and Charles is hungry for his 1st WDC.

They both can’t win and you’ve got two brilliant drivers and their ego’s wanting to outclass each other.

It’s a recipe for disaster.

[marble flower]

facts

[stable comet]

Mercedes 2014 2015 2016.

[stable comet]

Facts? It's far from facts.

We've literally seen it be proven wrong less than 10 years ago.

[marble flower]

they should think of a streategy like rb because they are only focusing on max

[stable comet]

Three times.

In a row.

[fleet aspen]

Lewis lost to rosberg and was salty during that whole season

[stable comet]

Yet they still finished 1-2 in the standings and dominated the WCC.

[marble flower]

it aint that deep pookiebear

[slim chasm]

Williams

[fleet aspen]

Having two drivers like that in the same team is only going to bring in fight

[marble flower]

mhm

[slim chasm]

well good thing that Lewis is not gonna stay long

[fleet aspen]

Lewis and Charles are both capable of beating max. Putting them together is going to cause problems

[stable comet]

You're acting as if in-fighting ruins championship hopes.

[marble flower]

how long is lewis ferrari contract?

[stable comet]

2 years.

[marble flower]

who knows, he may be correct tbh

[stable comet]

2016 is literally the counterargument.

Same with 2015.

And 2014.

Multi-21 happened and Vettel and Red Bull still won both titles.

[fleet aspen]

When both your drivers crash into each other because their ego’s won’t brake in time, how does that help a constructors?

0 points

Over 25

[stable comet]

The points that you get having two great drivers finish 1-2 is much more beneficial over a full season than one crash.

[fleet aspen]

Ferrari are out of 2025 before the season even started

[stable comet]

Look at Perez.

He's about to singlehandedly cost Red Bull the constructors title.

The gap is only shrinking by the race.

[fleet aspen]

Perez has struggled but he is an amazing support driver

He helped max beat Lewis in 2021

[stable comet]

He's literally costing them the constructors title.

[marble flower]

how?!?!?!?

[fleet aspen]

He’s 5th in points and continuing to support max. He gave him a toe to secure P2 in Q3

[stable comet]

3 1-2s and 1 double dnf is more points than 4 1-8s.

[fleet aspen]

I love Checo but do admit he has struggled

I hope Checo bounces back

[fleet aspen]

I understand your point but I have a soft spot for Checo

[stable comet]

If this alone doesn't prove the point completely wrong then I don't know what can possibly convince you otherwise.

[stable comet]

That's fine, I like Checo as a driver.

The fact of the matter is having two great drivers isn't going to 'cost' Ferrari the title.

If anything, it gives them a better chance.

[raven wagon]

Well 2007 would like to have a word

[stable comet]

It's not like Sainz is listening to team orders anyways.

[fleet aspen]

Checo is a great driver and person. I admit he has struggled this season but I’m happy Redbull have kept him on.

[stable comet]

What's funny about that is they would've won the WCC if they weren't DSQed from the Championship.

So actually that still proves me right 💀

[fleet aspen]

Lewis and Charles are both great people but when it gets down to it they are going to be trying to beat each other

[raven wagon]

Thing about 2013 to 2016 is car performance

[fleet aspen]

A small part of me wants Lewis to get his 8th WDC so he can retire in peace with F1

[raven wagon]

2014 ti 2016 Merc had a very doninant car

[stable comet]

What about 2010-2013 with Vettel-Webber?

They had many collisions/incidents.

Still won every title.

[raven wagon]

So any in team fighting with Lewis and Nico would not severe their championship hopes

Webber really only challenged 2010 tbf

[fleet aspen]

I hate vettel and glad that max helped Lewis beat him for his title 😅

[raven wagon]

2011 Seb dominated

[stable comet]

Vettel beat himself.

[raven wagon]

2010 and 2012 both went down to the final race

2013 well

[stable comet]

Yeah.

💀

[raven wagon]

After the summer break Seb fked off into the distance

[stable comet]

But still, the point stands that 3 1-2s and 1 Double DNF is more points than 4 straight 1-8s.

[raven wagon]

Thing about Ferrari next year is its highly unlikely they will design a dominant car

However if they do design a championship contending car that can challenge Redbull or Mclaren even for the title

[stable comet]

It's hard to say that it would hurt them having two great drivers.

No team has 'lost' a championship because their driver's had battles.

[raven wagon]

They really cant risk both drivers fighting each other for the championship, cause that can allow Max and even Lando to just pull away in the standings

[stable comet]

You can hardly say 2007 since McLaren would've won without the DSQ.

[stable comet]

Well, in recent memory.

[stable comet]

If you can point me to one instance in the last 20 years that this has happened, be my guest.

[raven wagon]

I can bring up 2007 again

Wdc matters a lot for the teams

[stable comet]

And I can still bring up that they would've won WCC without being DSQed for spying on Ferrari.

[raven wagon]

Both Lewis and Alonso kept on fighting each other

Allowed Kimi to swoop in and win the wdc instead by a point

[stable comet]

Moreso due to Hamilton's DNF.

But yes, Kimi did win the Drivers.

McLaren still would have won the title that they care more about despite the inter-team drama.

[stable comet]

It matters less to them than WCC, and always will.

Except maybe to Red Bull.

[fleet aspen]

I can honestly see McLaren taking the constructors in 2025

[stable comet]

I could as well.

[fleet aspen]

Lando and Piastri are pretty consistent

[stable comet]

Who's to say that Piastri doesn't step it up and is right up Norris' ass every race?

Why do they get a pass but Ferrari doesn't in this senario?

It's also impossible to say that Leclerc and Hamilton will be identical pace-wise, too.

[fleet aspen]

I think Piastri is behind in terms of experience. He needs to practise leading a few races, learning how to deal with the pressure of setting the pace and defending the lead.

[stable comet]

We could see one of them dominate over the other just as easily if not more easily than McLaren's drivers being separated with a large gap.

[fleet aspen]

Piastri will do well in F1 if he continues on as he is

[stable comet]

...And Norris doesn't?

Villeneuve and Hamilton both won a WDC in their second season.

Experience is irrelevant.

[fleet aspen]

Norris has experience in leading, setting the pace and defending.

That’s why he was so annoyed today with P2

Norris can challenge max now

[stable comet]

Piastri has experience in leading, setting the pace, and defending.

[fleet aspen]

Piastri is still a little bit away in my opinion

[stable comet]

He won a 'race' sooner than Norris did, and without a shitload of luck, too.

[fleet aspen]

Not as much as max or Lando

[stable comet]

Piastri would have finished ahead of Lando in that race mind you without the SC.

[fleet aspen]

He won a sprint

Not a proper race

[proven leaf]

Tbh you can tell that when norris came into the sport , the mcl wasn't as good compared to now

[fleet aspen]

Facts.

[stable comet]

That doesn't change that Norris literally drove the same car that Piastri was driving last year.

Don't forget he bottled the sprint pole.

Then botched the sprint start.

Then botched the Main Qualifying as well.

[fleet aspen]

McLaren are the fastest car on track this season and Piastri hasn’t managed to win a race yet. Lando has won and almost a few more

Piastri is still learning

[proven leaf]

That included yes . He came close to winning canada , Spain and imola

He's really close to max rn

[stable comet]

Lando won the race due to a Safety Car. Without the Safety Car, Piastri would have finished within 3s of Max, and Norris wouldn't have even been in the top 5.

[proven leaf]

But piastri hasn't been doing that well with the same car

[fleet aspen]

Lando is max’s biggest challenge on track. Charles is too inconsistent

[fleet aspen]

If if if, if my mom had balls she’d be my dad

[proven leaf]

Lando had the pace due to the cleanair available in front of him . Pretty sure he would've been on the podium if not

[stable comet]

If if if you discredit Piastri's sprint and Qatar GP, then I can discredit Lando's win as well.

[fleet aspen]

The safety car has helped max and Lando win a race this season. It’s part of F1.

A P1 is a P1 regardless

[fleet aspen]

I don’t credit sprint races because they’re a cash grab

[stable comet]

It doesn't change the fact that he controlled the pace, defended and led.

That was your stipulations, correct?

[fleet aspen]

For a full length race yes

[stable comet]

I've seen Piastri botch significantly fewer races than Norris has in the last 2 years.

I could name you 6-7 times Lando lost a potential win in that timeframe.

Piastri is still coming to terms with the car he has and is gaining pace by the weekend. You can say that 'I don't think he will be quick or consistent enough' but saying that he doesn't have it in him to win is beyond crazy.

[proven leaf]

What positions where piastri at the time

[stable comet]

Lando has shown that he's more prone to getting emotional and losing out many more times than Piastri.

[fleet aspen]

You can argue feelings all you want but the fact is Lando is nearly double the points of Lando.

[proven leaf]

Yes he botyches wins but he's close to the front

[stable comet]

Leading the race.

[proven leaf]

What Miami ?

Which race are you taking of

[stable comet]

I'm not saying that Lando isn't great nor that Piastri is better, you are missing the argument I'm making.

[pure aurora]

norris overtook leclerc yipee

[fleet aspen]

Piastri is a fantastic and gifted driver, I’m sure he will do well, I hope he does.

But at the moment I think Lando is a better driver and more experienced driver than Piastri.

[stable comet]

I'm saying that it is damn near impossible to say that they will have a massive pace discrepency next year.

Something that you said would 'cost' Ferrari the title.

[pure aurora]

Piastri is in his second year of f1. give him time

lando better rn

[stable comet]

Qatar.

[fleet aspen]

I was saying this that Lando has had more experience.

[proven leaf]

2024 ?

[fleet aspen]

I never said Piastri wasn’t good

[pure aurora]

Yeeeee

[stable comet]

I said the last two years.

[proven leaf]

Fuck

[fleet aspen]

All I said was Lando had more experience than Russel

[stable comet]

And I didn't say that Lando wasn't, either.

[proven leaf]

Sorry 2023 ?

[fleet aspen]

And Ferrari are doomed 2025

[stable comet]

All I'm saying is that if they are at an equal pace, then Piastri has shown less proof that he will feel the pressure and make mistakes like Lando has done many times.

[pure aurora]

mclaren wdc

[fleet aspen]

I think McLaren will win 2025

[pure aurora]

same

[proven leaf]

Well .. more races , more mistakes

[fleet aspen]

Anyway I’m bored arguing

Have a great night

[proven leaf]

If you consider just past 2 years

[stable comet]

In the last two years name me how many times Piastri has blew it.

Please.

I'll count up all the same times that Norris has blew it, too.

[proven leaf]

Brother how many wins could've piastri had

[stable comet]

Doesn't have to be for wins.

Just blowing it in general.

[proven leaf]

I am not that well versed to know that . Yes I agree but I get you . I'm not saying piastri is bad just that atm there's a pace diff bw them

[pure aurora]

lando has much mroe experience

piastri is still relatvile new

[stable comet]

Norris:

Jeddah 2023 - hit the wall in Q1, ruining his chances and qualifying last. (1)
Jeddah 2023 - ran into the back of De Vries on lap 1, getting wing damage and taking him out of contention (2)
Miami 2023 - ran into Sargeant, getting front wing damage and taking him out of contention (3)
Spain 2023 - Despite qualifying P3, got damage lap 1 from a stupid divebomb and took himself out of contention for valuable points (4)
Dutch 2023 - Stayed out on slicks on a wet track despite his team's advice, losing many places and a potential win in the process. (5)
Qatar 2023 - Completely fucked up his main qualifying lap, and started P9. (6)
Qatar 2023 - Botched his final push lap in SQ which would have taken him to pole at the last turn. (7)
Vegas 2023 - Crashed on his own. (8)
Canada 2023 - Lost out on pit exit with massive wheelspin. (9)
Spanish 2023 - Stayed out far too long on old tyres after being asked by the team whether he thought it would be smart to pit. (10)

That's just off the top of my head, I may be missing a few.

To my knowledge, Piastri got damage in Jeddah due to his own fault, and...that's about the only thing I can think that he's fucked up massively on his own accord.

[charred mantle]

yall why hasent sainz announced what team hes driving for next year

[stable comet]

Like I said that's just off the top of my head.

[stable comet]

Realized that Williams is a lost cause and is scrambling with his managers to try to go back to Audi.

[glacial cobalt]

lmaooo, took him long enough

[craggy tulip]

hes driving a safety car

[glacial cobalt]

he's gonna drive a

I WAS ABOUT TO SAY

LMAOOO

is sainz getting a seat just a myth

[stable comet]

My point is that if Piastri improves his pace to that of Lando, then I'm placing all my bets on him as he's shown to be far more level-headed despite his lack of experience than Lando has shown.

[craggy tulip]

He keeps waiting for a better offer boy ur gonna end up w NO offers

[glacial cobalt]

I KNOW RIGHT

[stable comet]

He thinks he's hot shit when he's really not.

He's a good driver, don't get me wrong, but he's not getting a seat over generational talents.

[craggy tulip]

gonna end up in sauber or Williams at this point

[stable comet]

I am thinking he'd choose Sauber/Audi.

I don't get why he would want to go to Williams.

Nothing has indicated that Vowles is capable of creating a stable team with a good car.

[slim chasm]

alpine made him an offer

[stable comet]

He jumped into a team that already had a great car and concept.

[craggy tulip]

Audi is 2026 tho so not a current option. N Williams, he may not have any choice

[stable comet]

Which he had 0 word in.

[slim chasm]

neither does sauber haha

[stable comet]

And the team has only regressed over the two seasons he's been there.

[vast olive]

plot twist: bro going to nascar

[stable comet]

What Sauber has going for them, though is that they will become a factory outfit.

Williams is and will always be Williams.

[craggy tulip]

driving in Le Mans fs

[stable comet]

They still have 30 year old facilities and have no plans to upgrade them.

[slim chasm]

yeah and Sainz will be too old to reap the benefits

williams got tht merc engine gamble

okay chassis + good engine = 2014

[stable comet]

Williams isn't going to outdevelop Mercedes or McLaren.

Not a chance in the world.

[craggy tulip]

forget sainz for a sec. I wanna see Kimi on track for merc

[slim chasm]

but they will for Audi

[stable comet]

And even if they did, they'd run out of chassis and have to retire one of their cars because they are utterly incapable of running a stable team.

[stable comet]

With not 30 year old facilities and new bodies? I don't see why not.

Williams aren't updating their facilities and still have majorly the same staff from 2019.

[slim chasm]

prob cause Merc will carry their results again with their engine

sure as shit a safer bet than a long Audi contract lol

[distant stag]

LOGAN WILL CARRY WILLIAMS TO 20 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS

🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅

[fleet aspen]

You know what I hope Logan surprises us all he deserves it

The Dutch Lion 🦁 The America Eagle 🦅 Lights out let’s go racing 🫶

[craggy tulip]

Logan might not even be on the grid next yr….

[slim chasm]

"might"

brother's cooked

[craggy tulip]

I was tryna be nice 😔

[pure aurora]

sainz to safety car

still hasnt announced future

[blissful lotus]

Lmao, it looks like Logan Sergeant is completely checked out of Formula 1

[upbeat siren]

what actually happened with charles and carlos

[formal cradle]

Maybe if Andretti gets in the starting roster can be Nyck Devries & Logan Sargeant (not happening probably)

[blissful lotus]

What happened to Carlos' announcement, which team is he going?

[keen pagoda]

He said after spainish gp he will announce so like in 2 weeks

[fast fable]

Safety Car F1 Team.

[pure aurora]

the same team logans going to

nascar

[fleet aspen]

I called this 2 weeks ago. Barcelona has a lot of straights and wide turnings. Redbull and Mercedes paradise.

Max’s first win and he has the fastest lap time set last year. I expected max to win and called Lewis to rerun to podium.

Ferrari are slower in straights, they focus on down force and are better at a lot of tight corners.

This wasn’t Charles and Carlos underperforming - their cars constraint the potential here.

The result wasn’t surprising. It wasn’t Charles and Carlos being bad, they were set up to fail on this track.

[pure aurora]

What about mclaren?

[iron egret]

Who was the dtod??

Nvm

[pure aurora]

lando

[grim egret]

mclaren lost the race because the pitwall gave the driver a choice to choose the strategy

the pitwall has all the numbers and data they must tell the driver what to do not the other way round

[fleet aspen]

I thought McLaren did well. People will blame the opening of the race but honestly in my opinion I don’t think so.

Lando is so fixated on max that he is failing to see the bigger picture.

Lando challenges team orders to stay out longer on worn tires because in his mind he thinks this is where he gains an advantage on max.

In reality is a poor decision clouded by an ego. Max on fresher tires is going to make a difference which we have seen time and time again.

Norris is near consistent P1 but his own ego is holding him back.

[distant stag]

Yeah it seems like it rarely works out when they let the drivers choose

[fleet aspen]

Facts.

Drivers thinking they know better than their team’s engineers is a huge downfall.

Lando and Charles could be serious contenders for WDC 2024 but their ego’s are their downfall

[craggy tulip]

The car’s performance merited p1 n Lando did acknowledge that after the race

[fleet aspen]

Absolutely, Lando knew he had the fastest car and should have won today but his decisions cost him today.

Max acknowledged he didn’t have the fastest car but strategy won today

[snow swan]

There is more to winning than the car… but yeah he should have won

[fleet aspen]

Max had the slower car and still won.

Strategy > speed

[craggy tulip]

Exactlyy. Hopefully he listens better Austria. Max actually had to work for this one

[craggy tulip]

It’s more strategy 🤝 car

[fleet aspen]

Lando would have won today if his ego wasn’t so fixated on beating max

[craggy tulip]

I agree w that but also that bad start cost him a lot in the long run

[fleet aspen]

I see your point but I respectfully disagree.

Russels brilliant start did cost Lando and max the opening lead but max had caught and beat Russel by lap 3. Why hadn’t Lando caught max in that time? Plenty of overtaking opportunities.

Lando consistently ignores team orders and engineers at an increasing rate - this will be his downfall.

[craggy tulip]

Oh yes. I see what you mean. By extension if lando had a few more laps in the end he would have overtaken max

[supple jolt]

The ignoring team orders part is so true that's why I don't like lando that much

[fleet aspen]

Max knew how far Lando was behind and how many laps there were left. Lando was faster in one corner making the difference but Redbull knew it wasn’t enough.

Max maintained pace which was all he needed to do. Lando pushing to knock tenths of seconds off while max was at a comfortable pace wasn’t Lando cooking.

It was Redbulls calculation and max listens hence the win. If Lando got too close max could have pushed on maintained tires.

[fleet aspen]

Lando is a brilliant driver and has good experience. I understand his frustrations but bringing them onto the track won’t do him any good

[craggy tulip]

Yeah ur right. Max was maintaining a comfy pace while looking after tyres vs lando gaining time but being reckless w tyres. Max would’ve just pushed if lando came too close 100%

[fleet aspen]

Max had this race in the back by his 2nd pit (assuming no unexpecteds). People would say that today was close but in reality it wasn’t - Lando never stood a chance

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-red-bull-racing-super-max-gif-25486685

[craggy tulip]

Yep I see that now

[snow swan]

Oh my god, I have never seen someone so blunt with their opinions

[fleet aspen]

It’s good to be honest 😅

[snow swan]

The only reason Lando did not win was the pitwall asking him for the plans, it has been going on for so long this season. His race manager constantly asking him what they need to do for him

It is never about his ego

Stop just blasting words towards any drivers

[snow swan]

It literally not true

[fleet aspen]

No.

I’m entitled to my opinion as much as you are, how dare you ask me to be silent.

[snow swan]

McLaren had the car to win the race, the pitstops and bad calls from pitwall cost the race

[fleet aspen]

Having a responsible debate is me thing but telling me to shut up is pathetic.

[snow swan]

Go touch some grass or go for a walk

[snow swan]

I never said shut up

I asked you to stop just blasting words

[fleet aspen]

I wouldn’t walk on grass, it’s a living creation.

[snow swan]

Towards any driver on the grid

[fleet aspen]

What words did I “blast” exactly?

[snow swan]

Talking about someone's ego where its clear that it wasn't the case

[fleet aspen]

Respectfully in my opinion it was with Lando on numerous occasions.

[snow swan]

My guy is still stuck with Sochi 2021

Name me 3 occasions where this was the case

[fleet aspen]

@snow swan this ain’t me singling out a specific driver. I’m a max fan but I’ll even say max has thought and wrongly thought he knew better than his engineers.

[snow swan]

McLaren clearly have the car that can challenge for wins

[fleet aspen]

I can name 3 time for Verstappen alone. I am max all the way. People make mistakes.

[snow swan]

Name me Lando's 3 occasions

I will stop talking once you do that

[fleet aspen]

McLaren have the fastest car on the grid atm no doubt.

[fleet aspen]

Today when radio ask him to defend Russel and he ifnore and chose to attack max for no reason

Secondly when he chose to stay out on used tires in Canada against his teams wishes

[snow swan]

Bcoz the win was literally possible if not for bad strategy calls from the pitwall asking Lando wtf to do

[fleet aspen]

That’s two examples I n the last two races btw

[snow swan]

He was going quicker than those with fresh ones

[fleet aspen]

Defying team orders

[snow swan]

That's not called ego

[fleet aspen]

Strong cope.

[snow swan]

They literally asked him, he chose not to

He didn't defy anything blud

[fleet aspen]

No the team told him what they wanted to do and he defied and lost because of it

[snow swan]

They literally asked him if he wanted to come or not

[fleet aspen]

Alright I’m not going t convince yous otherwise

I’m not going to waste my time

Have a simply lovely evening

[snow swan]

Come back when you have a strong point to make

Google some stuff, I will allow it

[fleet aspen]

Lewis Hamilton, max verstappens biggest competitor even laughed at landos ego of claiming he left max enough space today.

I’ll leave that one with you too sink in - Lando getting desperate.

[snow swan]

I couldn't find a part where its about ego

[craggy tulip]

Ego is the wrong word imo. He is downplaying his role in pushing max off track tho

[snow swan]

My guy is watching a tiktok edit

Even Lando is laughing coz he wasn't even sure

Where's the ego?

[fleet aspen]

I wouldn’t waste your breath with these two to be honest.

[snow swan]

LMFAO

Quite literally

But hey, everyone is free to share their thoughts even if they don't make sense