monaco-gp

[prime whale]

what are these ratings

oh na

[hollow moat]

off yourself

dont ever rate in your life

stick to roblox loser

[lusty flint]

tutututu

max verstappen

glad max got his winning streak back but realistically i would've loved to see yuki p7 or higher

but it was a good race

[teal finch]

Agreed

[hollow moat]

yes

thats more accurate than that other rating

[neat latch]

This is too funny

Because it's true

[compact pewter]

F1 Driver Rating this race
8/10
8/10
2/10
6/10
10/10
9/10

7/10
6/10
8/10
3/10
2/10
1/10
0/10
2/10
-10/10
10/10
5/10
2/10

6/10
5/10

[neat latch]

Who could have guessed

Mercedes would be slower than mclaren and Aston Martin

Absolutely no one

Which is why it's so surprising

[compact pewter]

Was gunpointed by Max fans

[hollow moat]

dont ever disrespect my king again

[compact pewter]

Who is your king then

[hollow moat]

1

[neat latch]

Mercedes haven't learned anything apart from making the car feel nicer to drive, but as we can see, that doesn't make the car faster

[hollow moat]

makes it slower😭

[snow swan]

Didn’t watch

who won

Verstappen right?

[hushed wadi]

lol

[hollow moat]

yes

[hushed wadi]

lmao

[snow swan]

k cool

back to sleep

[compact pewter]

Yes...

[hollow moat]

https://tenor.com/view/max-verstappen-joshthezoomer-formula1-gif-21858353

[jade mural]

Congrats @hollow moat, you're now on lap 5

[compact pewter]

I don't know why I get gunpointed when I talk bad about Verstappen...

[hollow moat]

just dont let it happen again

[hushed wadi]

or else

[hybrid cove]

Lewis Hamilton will clutch next year with Ferrari.

[neat latch]

https://twitter.com/Sep_ajax/status/1776935051181068372?t=nJX1zi-qSQ48gmTLTY5P2g&s=19

Anchit Jaiswal (@Sep_ajax) on X

@formularacers_ @SkySportsF1 Mercedes are 1 point ahead of Aston at the moment.

But I think Alonso, knows who drives the other Aston, hence why Mercedes are looking so close, when in reality they actually aren't.

Twitter · Apr 7, 2024, 11:28 AM

[hushed wadi]

i will unleash ceo of verstappen nation

[hollow moat]

💀

[neat latch]

If only Aston had a second driver

[hybrid cove]

Trust me bro.

[compact pewter]

Mercedes will extend the lead anyways

[hollow moat]

rb21 will just be enhanced and then ferrari will either slightly improve their car or throw it down the drain

[hybrid cove]

That will be sad then.

[neat latch]

1 or 2 points per race

Fernando will do anything but if stroll doesn't move his ass then there's really no hope for p4

[compact pewter]

Even if Lance gets his shit together, Won't help AM that much for position

[rich raven]

goat bearman still 12 with one race

[hollow moat]

😭

[crystal terrace]

Bearman for championship winner you already know 🗣️

[neat latch]

Put Yuki in that car and Mercedes will get roasted even more on Twitter

[drifting geyser]

I tried to stay up for the GP but fell asleep on about lap 9

What did I miss besides Max winning again

[hollow moat]

yuki perfect driving

some bum named ricciardo or something crashed

[cyan saffron]

a quite decent race with a lot of overtakes

[hollow moat]

yeah

one red flag

[drifting geyser]

Twitter known for reasonable takes

[drifting geyser]

Yeah I saw the red flag, and fell asleep pretty soon after the restart

[hollow moat]

after that

[hushed wadi]

go to lap 48 for an epic radio meltdown

[hollow moat]

max won

!!

there's nothing more exciting than seeing max with a 5 second lead

[compact pewter]

I forecasted 0 Red flags in F1 24...

How did Ricciardo destroy that

[hushed wadi]

dreams destroyed in precisely 30 seconds

[hollow moat]

rip ricciardos career

[drifting geyser]

Who caused it?

Oh wait Zhou DNFd, was it him

[hushed wadi]

ricciardo

[cyan saffron]

He had a gearbox issue.

[hushed wadi]

you know the guy that's trying to get a red bull seat next year

that guy

[snow swan]

[sterile pasture]

Hii

[drifting geyser]

Someone said after the restart so I thought they meant it was a second red flag

[hollow moat]

someone had to tell him

[drifting geyser]

Oh boy Katamari is back again

[compact pewter]

Ok. I am known for uselessness this year

[neat latch]

TeamLH is unhinged but i kinda understand their anger, Mercedes, 8 constructors, and they're making cars like this.

[hushed wadi]

lewis hamilton spent the entire race complaining about a strategy he came up with himself

[drifting geyser]

My response was more along the lines of, who cares how much a constructor gets roasted on twitter, they're always going to be like that

[neat latch]

It's funny though

[drifting geyser]

Sounds like Lewis

[neat latch]

True

[solid ocean]

How delusional is it to think yuki could beat stroll this year ?

[hollow moat]

small margin

[snow swan]

not far off on current form

[static thorn]

Can someone give me a good sont

[novel summit]

man guys such a wild race last nigjt

[tacit cypress]

.

[brave umbra]

i missed today's race

and it had to be that goated

fml

[quaint field]

me too i missed it, i can’t see it in france i need to pay 😭

[sharp inlet]

sont?

[sharp inlet]

sad

[quaint field]

yep

[tame plover]

Bro wtf is china circuit lmfaoo turn 2 is insane

And f1 cars are big compared to last time they raced there

[snow swan]

Good thing they have a sprint race to get use to it

[cyan saffron]

They have only 1 practice session to set up the car though.

[wraith kiln]

guys i jst woke up what did miss

[cyan saffron]

with 0 experience on the track

[wraith kiln]

did lando win this

one

[cyan saffron]

with the new gen cars

[cyan saffron]

nope Max

[wraith kiln]

FUCK

[cyan saffron]

There was a crash at the start involving Daniel and Alex that caused a red flag.

And it was actually a quite decent race then.

lots of overtakes

[wraith kiln]

damn i just watched hiligths

actly good f1 race IN WICH max still won?

no way is this real chat

[cold stone]

Wait how did zho get out?

[cyan saffron]

Ironically despite Max winning it was a better race than Melbourne.

[cyan saffron]

gearbox issue

[cold stone]

Ah

[cyan saffron]

the casual Zhou luck

[snow swan]

Perez had an awesome overtake by 130r

[cold stone]

My tv is airing a re run so ye

[wraith kiln]

if zhou doensnt et ple pos and wins the china gp the people's republic of china DOESNT treat their citcens rigth

[sharp inlet]

Chinesw GP prediction Guanyu Zhou Grand Chelem

[snow swan]

They get to change the set up for GP qualify though

[snow swan]

Maybe people will stop blaming him haha

[hoary folio]

it was full of fights

[snow swan]

its shanghai right

Wow last video was with Kimi

[lime valley]

So Logan going off by himself again and finishing behind the two tractors. Please let another young driver have a go it's embarrassing now.

[uncut rose]

Ollie bearman will win rookie of the year

[snow swan]

haha by default

[uncut rose]

My life is getting sad my team has made 26 points this season while max has made doulbe of that alone

[snow swan]

Aston?

If they get a second driver they can score more.

They will be even better once they get rid of that awful merc engine in 2026

[unreal kiln]

who was at fault for the riccardio albon crash?

[deep hare]

racing incident i think

[snow swan]

no one got a penalty

I blame stroll

[vale rose]

prolly daniel

[vale rose]

bro stroll was MILES out

[uncut rose]

there are more wolrd champion ships in this painting than nay other prove me wrong

[unreal kiln]

i mean to be fair daniel was in front and had the racing line, and albon was in a blind spot

[remote knoll]

real

It's always Stroll's fault

[fast fable]

Eh?

[old rivet]

Williams needs cars for that. Which at this pace they will finish without next race 😂😂😂

[solid ocean]

100% Daniel

[uncut rose]

i blame lawson

[sage wolf]

It was ocons fault

[flat orbit]

Definitely

[quick canopy]

W team?

Got 232

[storm hemlock]

alonso x sainz

[next thorn]

max is the goat

[pearl rock]

https://tenor.com/view/mercedes-george-russell-lewis-hamilton-formula-1-f1-gif-18110942413476787222

bro the mercs had horrendous pace always getting overtaken by someone around 130R

[proper bridge]

Obviously

he deserves it anyways

[stable comet]

🙂 Thanks Williams.

[shy nebula]

dream team 😭🙏

[flat orbit]

The cameraman kept hinting at Carlos going to redbull in 2025 the entire weekend

[fast fable]

Pitstop crew had one job to do, still... 😭

[snow swan]

Seb will go

[alpine temple]

Idk if, ric will get another seat for next year

[jade mural]

Congrats @snow swan, you're now on lap 5

[keen sierra]

Was it not to crash?

[alpine temple]

He will have to prove him self

[stable comet]

It was to not have a slower pitstop than fucking Sauber and Haas.

And lose 4 spots because of it.

As you see here he was at the time ahead of Tsunoda, who ended up scoring points.

If he had even a decent pitstop and came out ahead of Tsunoda, he would have finished in the points or at worst P11.

[stable comet]

Also last I checked Sargeant didn't bin off both the good chassis that Williams had.

[fast fable]

I'm worried about Shanghai now.

[stable comet]

Chances are the one that Albon crashed in the race here in Japan won't be repairable. That looked much worse than the Australia one.

And if that's the case they'll just give the chassis to Albon again so he can bin off that one too.

Like I'm 95% sure that Albon has now matched Sargeant's damage total from last year, and we are only 4 races into the season.

[remote knoll]

there is no way that williams has crashed this much in 4 races 😭

[snow swan]

hey

[stable comet]

It's confirmed that the Japan chassis is being investigated to see if it can be reparied.

Vowles also said that they won't have another chassis made until fucking Miami.

So if this is the case, they may only have one car for both China and Imola.

But yeah, Sargeant is the problem.

Not the guy who's bankrupting the team currently.

[fast fable]

Albon leading the WDesC this season is even more surprising.

[stable comet]

He lead it in 2019.

His rookie year.

He had over 2 million more in damages than Sargeant had in 2023, yet people love to ignore that.

(In 4 less races, by the way)

Like Alex is just as-if not more- crash prone as Sargeant is.

[remote knoll]

Suzuka wasn't on him tho

[stable comet]

Not fully.

[remote knoll]

not at all imo

[stable comet]

Both cars could have avoided that by not being stupid.

Mainly on Daniel more than Albon.

But Sargeant's Dutch GP crash wasn't his fault either-it was due to a hydraulic failure mid corner.

Yet people didn't give a fuck to ignore that one.

[remote knoll]

Forgot about that

[fast fable]

Not that much, but this one put him into the worse spot.

[stable comet]

Oh, right, and Sargeant's FP1 crash in Spa where his brakes failed completely into la source.

People didn't ignore that one.

[remote knoll]

when did that happen

[stable comet]

In fact, they blamed him for it.

[remote knoll]

don remember that one

[stable comet]

Spa FP1.

[stable comet]

https://youtu.be/kJ7-R1LNsFI?si=5CS_ZHJIdV1gyGBO

I mean tell me any driver in the world who's avoiding that crash.

I'll wait.

[remote knoll]

just looked like hydroplaning

also seems that the car was fine

[stable comet]

It damaged the front wing and tie rod.

And the floor.

[remote knoll]

No biggie

nothing duct tape cant fix

[stable comet]

That's half a mil on the destructor chart though.

[remote knoll]

oh

[stable comet]

Yeah close enough.

[fast fable]

I guess most came from JPN one.

[stable comet]

Japan was 1.1mil

I mean look at this.

[remote knoll]

I was surprised he destroyed the chassis in that crash

[stable comet]

Minor incidents all through his first 11 races,

A crash that wasn't his fault in Belgium,

[remote knoll]

and zandvoort

[stable comet]

Like Zandvoort and Japan propelled his numbers far above where they would have been.

Then was clean for the last 6 races.

Yet he's accident prone, crashes all the time, useless behind the wheel,

I mean I've heard about everything that can be said.

[remote knoll]

He's only in F1 because he is American!!!

[stable comet]

Pay driver!!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/_XysYt0c0ZA?si=mEUBGyynlyro2W4m

Also a costly impact here that he couldn't have done anything about due to a fucking Hydraulic failure.

[fast fable]

Just removing those 2 biggies sends him down to between LEC & HUL.

[stable comet]

He's not crash prone despite what people say.

[remote knoll]

That doesn't even look natural lol

car just stops turning mid corner

[stable comet]

Does he have incidents? Absolutely.

[remote knoll]

no lock up or anything

[stable comet]

Is he Latiti level?

[loud mango]

he isn't really that good

[stable comet]

Not even close.

[loud mango]

tho

[remote knoll]

He was doing good in Japan

[stable comet]

Would have scored points in Japan without a terrible pitstop from Williams.

He was ahead of Yuki going into the pitlane, yet Williams had a 5s pitstop and got jumped by 4 cars.

As you can see her.e

[remote knoll]

It's like Williams are intentionally pissing us off

it's one bad thing after another

[stable comet]

Some of which aren't even his fault.

Yet people will blame them as if it's all on him.

[remote knoll]

Matching Yuki who was the fastest in that group

Yuki couldn't get past Logan as easy as the other drivers

[stable comet]

Pace is skewed against him since he spent so much time on the hards in the first stint, but even this shows he was quick.

I mean his mode ranges higher than Anyone 10th to lower.

[narrow garnet]

Logan was have a pretty damn good time of it, just sucks things out of his control screwed his race, then he had to go have that degner incident later on in the race which didn't help things

[stable comet]

It wouldn't have been easy to pass the Williams due to their straight line speed. If he came out ahead of Yuki, I genuinely think points-or at least P11/12- would have been on the cards.

[remote knoll]

damn

[stable comet]

The Degner incident was stupid and on him, but really if he wasn't forced to push flat out on a fucking 4 stopper then that never would have happened in the first place.

[remote knoll]

If only my mom wasn't watching the race with me I would be throwing shit 😭

[stable comet]

I was very upset by it, but I'm not devistated. It showed me that he does have it in him to compete for points legitimately on pace now.

[narrow garnet]

oh yeah for sure

[stable comet]

The bad part is right when I saw that he went off, i knew people would only look at that and ignore all the good he had done in the race prior.

And I was dead on in that prediction.

[compact pewter]

Sargeant having Skill issues

[narrow garnet]

it's for sure there, he just needs that perfect storm of circumstances

[remote knoll]

same

[stable comet]

I wouldn't even call this a 'perfect storm'. He had an old spec car, and a damaged chassis yet was on pace with the VCARB and Haas drivers.

[narrow garnet]

and at the moment it's Yuki who is the one who's been able to capitalise on them

[fast fable]

And it did.

[remote knoll]

As soon as I saw the yellow flag my heart sank

[stable comet]

Nobody will look at how he was 12th and ahead of Tsunoda legitimately over midway through the race, but they'll dig right in on the one mistake he made all race, which wouldn't have happened if he wasn't forced to push flat out on a 4 stop.

[remote knoll]

hoping it wasnt true but unfortunately it was

[stable comet]

I saw his onboard and I thought he hit the wall.

[remote knoll]

At least he didn't put it in the wall

[stable comet]

I was so relieved when I saw that he didn't.

[remote knoll]

like I thought he did

[stable comet]

Like ungodly relieved.

[remote knoll]

Yea degner is a fast corner safe to assume he crashed

[stable comet]

He knew it was going off and kept it out the wall.

Which was smart in the end.

[remote knoll]

Him backing out and continuing is the best news Williams has had all season

[stable comet]

I think he does have a problem with that.

He doesn't accept that he's going to go off and fights it even harder to keep it on the road, rather than accepting that he's going to go off and keep it out of the wall.

[remote knoll]

Yup his two incidents at Japan are proof of that

[compact pewter]

He should have kept his eyes on the road

[stable comet]

He did that in FP1.

Look where that led him.

[compact pewter]

And the race

[stable comet]

He didn't do that in the Race and kept it out of hte wall.

He accepted he was going off and adjusted his steering accordingly.

[remote knoll]

His team shouldve delivered 🥱

[stable comet]

If he was turning into the corner into degner, then he would've lost the rear there and probably had a massive incident.

[compact pewter]

Albon got fucked up by Ricciardo who got F1 in trouble
Sargeant simply having Skill issues

[stable comet]

Instead, he straightened his steering and kept it going straight.

[stable comet]

Albon has wrecked 2 chassis in 2 weeks.

I can make comparisons all day.

[remote knoll]

Wait he broke the chassis?

[stable comet]

Yes, it had damage.

[remote knoll]

omfg

[stable comet]

They are currently investigating it at base.

[fast fable]

Williams confirmed it.

[compact pewter]

Melbourne: His own mistake
Suzuka: Fucked by Ricciardo who got F1 in Big Trouble

[stable comet]

Which if it is wrecked fully, then that means they'll have 1-if not no-car at either China or Imola.

[remote knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-im-done-jump-omg-exit-gif-3452870

[stable comet]

Because Vowles said they won't have another one made until Miami.

[compact pewter]

Williams is having huge stress now

[remote knoll]

Williams*

[stable comet]

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/albons-f1-chassis-damaged-in-japan-set-to-undergo-repairs-for-china/10596152/

[compact pewter]

1-race-ban for Danny

Please

[stable comet]

💀

[remote knoll]

real

[stable comet]

I like how he's been significantly worse than even Sargeant yet has been getting a pass by the majority of people.

[compact pewter]

I hate how Sargeant overtook Gasly

[remote knoll]

Did gasly have damage?

[stable comet]

Sargeant overtook him in Bahrain before his wheel fucked his race, Sargeant finished ahead of Sargeant ahead of Ricciardo in Saudi Arabia, and beat him in Australia too after Daniel caused a massive crash.

Sargeant overtook a lot of people.

He had 7 overtakes in the race.

[fast fable]

"Sargeant finished ahead of Sargeant -
What?

[stable comet]

Overtook Gasly once, Ocon twice, Hulkenburg once, Tsunoda once, and Bottas once.

[stable comet]

You know what I mean 💀

I meant Sargeant finished ahead of Ricciardo.

[fast fable]

Yeah.
Just someone new to this convo will be equally confused.

[stable comet]

8 if you count the first lap and restart, but I don't.

Sargeant was only overtaken once, by Bottas.

He lost most of his positions due to the shitty strategy and pitstops.

[compact pewter]

No

[remote knoll]

Oh

[stable comet]

Alpine were a mess .

Did they end up running their new wing?

[compact pewter]

Simply Skill issue

[remote knoll]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

all that matters is that Ocon beat Gasly once again

[stable comet]

The Alpine's did have great starts though.

[remote knoll]

sorry Katamari

[compact pewter]

I know. Gasly has been so shit this year

Put Sargeant in the same car as Gasly, Logan would still beat him

[stable comet]

Impossible to say.

Sargeant's driving style is closest to Alonso's on the grid.

I'm not sure if the Alpine did suit Alonso or not.

[fast fable]

Continuing to this, some (many from the bunch I was watching the race live with) are speculating that if the current streak continued, Williams might be forced to run FW45(B) at some point.

[stiff bough]

Never let them speculate again.

[fast fable]

Didn't let them.
They spoke their minds in their own.

[stable comet]

My point for Sargeant has never really been to prove that he was the best driver on the grid, it was to prove that he was nowhere near the level of driver that the majority of the fanbase believes that he is.

[remote knoll]

lmfao

that's funny af

gonna be 2 seconds slower than alpine 😭

[fast fable]

But also discusses that WR is at a precarious position now.

[stable comet]

Very much so.

[compact pewter]

Alpine should bring back A523 at this point

[stable comet]

All of this has really brought to light how horrible they have truly been.

[mighty swallow]

consider that if alpine ran an A523B it would be faster than the 524

[stable comet]

They realistically can't

[mighty swallow]

they actually lost pace from last year

[stable comet]

You can't go fully back to the old car anymore like you were used to.

You aren't able to change the chassis design that you use, which this year's changed drastically.

[compact pewter]

Red Bull did in 2023

[stable comet]

?

[mighty swallow]

how

[stable comet]

Do you mean they changed the bodywork?

I highly doubt they changed the chassis.

[compact pewter]

Exact same car, exact same livery

[stable comet]

It wasn't the same car.

[mighty swallow]

what do you mean same car

[stable comet]

There were regulation changes going into 2023.

The car was over a second faster than the RB18.

[mighty swallow]

wouldve called it the RB18B if that were the case

but no, RB19

its not a lotus 72 situation

[compact pewter]

Red Bull should have called it RB18C for 2024

But RB20

[remote knoll]

um

[mighty swallow]

ok but they arent the same car

[remote knoll]

if rb used the rb18 they'd be the slowest team

[mighty swallow]

sainz domination could bore fans

[stable comet]

Haas last year tried basically what you said. They wanted to run next year's concept, but were forced to use their current chassis. This lead to them being a fucking dumpster fire.

[compact pewter]

If Renault used the a523, they wouldn't be the slowest team

[remote knoll]

🛌

[gusty sequoia]

and max won what a moment

of us to suffer again

[mighty swallow]

which is crazy

their chassis last year they were midfielding

[stable comet]

Let me just quickly say this:

THE COST CAP WORKED.

There we go.

[mighty swallow]

and they got slower

[mighty swallow]

i mean in terms of reducing the gap between teams, yes

it very much did do that

[stable comet]

If Haas ran their nextgen 2022 car in 2021, they would have been faster.

[remote knoll]

lmao

[stable comet]

Which is weird because the 2022 cars were supposed to be 4 seconds slower 💀

[compact pewter]

by very little bit

Like 0.01s

[stable comet]

But it was in a regulation change year, one that was supposed to drastically decrease the car speed.

[compact pewter]

2018 when Haas was fast

[mighty swallow]

for like a couple races

[stable comet]

They are bringing some solid upgrades to China and Imola this year.

I think I've heard they have more planned for Barcelona as well.

[mighty swallow]

personally now that lotus has more money i would like them to come back to f1

[compact pewter]

2016: 8th car
2017: 8th car
2018: 5th car
2019: 9th car
2020-: 10th car

[mighty swallow]

sorry im cleaning keys

not typing

[mighty swallow]

yeah and this was their highest ever finish

[stable comet]

Because they were legitimately fast.

They were Red Bull pace in Australia before they ruined their race in the pitstops.

[remote knoll]

Wait a minute Max lapped everyone up to p4?

[stable comet]

Welcome to Pre-cost cap.

[remote knoll]

😭 that is ridiculous

[stable comet]

We are in a generation where the field spread is just barely over a second.

[fast fable]

There's perhaps not a single race where V'Stappen won and hasn't lapped many racers.

Upto P11 on avg.

[compact pewter]

Miami 23?

[loud mango]

?

[remote knoll]

dont remember that race

[stable comet]

Back then, it was like:

Mercedes:
Ferrari +0.200s
Red Bull: +0.600s
Renaultt: +1.300s
Haas: +1.350s
Force India/Racing Point: +1.500s
McLaren: +1.800s
Sauber: +2.200s
Toro Rosso: +2.400s
Williams: +3,00s

For 2018 .

[remote knoll]

understandable

[fast fable]

Jeez...

[remote knoll]

3 seconds

[compact pewter]

Sargeant fans booing at Max

[stable comet]

And that wasn't Williams really bad year.

In 2019, they were nearly 4-5 seconds off the pace.

[fast fable]

Boo- Eh?

[remote knoll]

the fuck

[stable comet]

Also here’s a picture I took randomly during the 2019 Canadian Grand Prix.

[remote knoll]

where are you losing 5 seconds 😭

[stable comet]

I don’t know why I remembered taking this.

[remote knoll]

williams 1-2

probably wanted the session to end

[compact pewter]

Logan's fans had a nice evening

[remote knoll]

Logan fans booing
more like Mercedes and Ferrari fans

[fast fable]

Is that me or Haas logo is gold?

[remote knoll]

2019

Rich Energy

[compact pewter]

Rich Energy

[fast fable]

Ah.

[stable comet]

Yes I posted it on Instagram.

[compact pewter]

Le Truck!

[remote knoll]

How close was Giovinazzi to Raikkonen

in their time together

Yeah it was okay

until the thing happened

I'd probably rate Jeddah, Australia and Suzuka around the same

all better than Bahrain but still missing something

[soft mason]

Classic Quebec with their refusal to use english even where it makes sense

[placid thunder]

bro i miss kimi

[compact pewter]

Same

[snow swan]

Kimi? I thought he wasn’t in f1 yet

[mighty swallow]

are you stupid

[snow swan]

Kimi antonelli? He is in f2

[soft heath]

bro

kimi raikkonen

ice man lmfao

[snow swan]

I don’t know this person

[soft heath]

...

oh my lord

[mighty swallow]

how does bro not know kimi raikkonen

youre in an f1 discord

hes the 2007 wdc (also deserved 2003 but w/e)

[snow swan]

u dont need to know everything about something just because ur in a server about thay

[mighty swallow]

he’s one of the most recent champions

that’s like not knowing alonso won 2005-2006

[snow swan]

so? still doesnt mean you have to know that information in order to be in this discord or whatever

thats just stupid you can't know everything about f1 just bc ur in the discord server

[maiden niche]

I mean knowing kimi raikkonen is kind of common knowledge, he did only retire 3 years ago

[snow swan]

not really common knowledge its f1 knowledge doesnt mean you have to know it

[stiff bough]

I feel like 18 years ago is not very recent

[snow swan]

and shaming someone for not knowing him is just stupid tbh

[maiden niche]

Let me rephrase then. It’s common f1 knowledge

[snow swan]

common doesnt mean a must know knowledge

[maiden niche]

Did I say that mate?

[snow swan]

plus he could just be a recent new fan or whatever

[maiden niche]

Yes I realise that I’m just saying that probably nearly all of the people who watch f1 know who he is. So it’s just strange to see sm1 who doesn’t know who he is

[snow swan]

ye ok its strange whatever no need to like shame him publicly

or indirectly make fun of it

i mean you didnt do it

whatever

[velvet crater]

Yeah he like retired a few years ago. To the newer fans, they’re not really gonna know about Raikkonen (hell I didn’t even know Button existed when I first joined in 2021). So it’s just best to just tell them. Das about it, nothing much.

[soft heath]

i dont think anyone was trying to shame him

its just surprising

kimi is just well known is all, especially in suzuka

i mean he had one of the best races of all time there and was mentioned feverishly in the recent gp with the casters

i think it's just shocking he doesnt know who he is versus shaming him, i think it's just not as common as we had thought it to be, not that we don't want him to learn anything new 😭

[mighty swallow]

when was i shaming them lmao

[mighty swallow]

this mostly

[craggy zenith]

to me it isn't that surprising

if you're new to the sport you're probably not going to know much about Kimi aside from what is seen in DtS

i mean his championship year was nearly 20 years ago and his time at McLaren was even before that

he was pretty mid in his stint at Ferrari and while he still pulled good results out of that Sauber, he was still in a Sauber which was a lower midfield and later backmarker car

so i can't really blame people for not knowing about the lightning fast Flying Finn 2.0

[soft heath]

like i said, i just think its surprising because he's still infamous for being the "ice man"

[pearl rock]

whos 2.0 bottas?

[soft heath]

and oscar piastri is commented on being his "2.0"

[craggy zenith]

in terms of personality yes

[soft heath]

even if someones new to the sport, knowing at least a little prior to the 2024 teams and racers doesnt seem too off the mark for me

[craggy zenith]

although i think he's more a mix between Lando's humour and Kimi's mannerisms

[soft heath]

especially for the person they seem to like the most

[craggy zenith]

well aside from his team radio

because Oscar is the most chill person on the radio even when he's upset

while Kimi...

[soft heath]

i never said this was my personal opinion, im saying what op is compared to

[craggy zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/kimi-raikkonen-kimi-raikkonen-gif-25177427

[soft heath]

...

i know 😭

i never said this was my personal opinion

i dont think of op as his 2.0

[craggy zenith]

i wasn't poking holes in your opinion

[soft heath]

its not my opinion 😭

[craggy zenith]

i can see it with the way he acts

oh whatever

[soft heath]

HELLO?

[craggy zenith]

potato potato

[soft heath]

i've said its not my opinion

like 3 times 😭

when did this get to this conversation

back to the not knowing kimi, no one was shitting on the person who didnt know

we were just shocked 😭

we get people are new to the sport, i mean shit i'm considered new still too

its just shocking that some people don't know a dude whos infamous for being insanely chill and not giving a fuck

[pearl rock]

https://tenor.com/view/bottas-russell-f1-gif-21231882

[soft heath]

and calling f1 his hobby

😭

[soft heath]

HELP

[pearl rock]

lol

[craggy zenith]

lore accurate

[pearl rock]

honestly do you think bottas had a chance to improve if he stayed at merc

?

[soft heath]

bottas is a good driver

in the mercedes hes come first plentiful times

[pearl rock]

just terrible car (the steak)

[soft heath]

beating out hammy numerous times as well

[craggy zenith]

ehhhhh

i mean the main problem for Bottas was he was mentally shattered

[soft heath]

i mean i doubt he would've performed better

[pearl rock]

tru

[craggy zenith]

if you look at his performances at the start of 2019 and 2020 he was matching Hamilton

before dropping off line a stone

[pearl rock]

like his tyres

[feral gyro]

Oh wow the admin in here start watching in 2021?

[craggy zenith]

now if Bottas was the lead driver at Mercedes with no Hamilton yes i think he could have performed better

he probably would have won titles in 2019 and 2020

[soft heath]

why is that a surprise?

[feral gyro]

I must be one of the oldest here been watching F1 since 1995

[craggy zenith]

but with Hamilton there he was running against the clock

especially given he was only ever given 1 year contracts and had to fight to be kept

[soft heath]

ahh

ok ok

[pearl rock]

wow youre older than irl oscar

[soft heath]

wdym irl 😭

omg

[feral gyro]

Im 36 he...is that old in this discord...

[pearl rock]

i meant NOT the oshkoch in chat

[craggy zenith]

he means the actual Oscar

he's 23 now

[pearl rock]

yea

[craggy zenith]

although he's still older than me lol

[soft heath]

...

guys

i mean saying irl is insane

[craggy zenith]

i'm only 2 years younger than Oscar

[soft heath]

...

ofc you arent oscar

[craggy zenith]

no way i could be

i have anger issues lol

[pearl rock]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-eyebrow-flipped-horizontally-gif-24025048

[soft heath]

bro why would anyone ever say irl

im so confused

[soft heath]

HI LEUR

SEE

[kind fern]

hai

[soft heath]

INSANITY YEAH?

[kind fern]

can you explain in depth what this means 😭 ?

[soft heath]

he meant not the guy in chat

[kind fern]

why would this refer to them

im confused

[soft heath]

but that doesnt make sense

[feral gyro]

Wonder if anyone here older than me? ( been following f1 since the 80s?) Aka witnessing senna prost and hunt

[soft heath]

i would ask in general

probably not

a lot of f1 fans are newer gen

at least newer than that

like hammy and vettel prime

[feral gyro]

Damn...

I have grandma ( about to cross 100 soon) she mustve witness team like brabham etc if she watched f1 in the early days

[craggy zenith]

my memories only go back to very late Schumacher, Raikkonen and early Hamilton era

my old man was a fan back in the mid 80's and was a big Mansell fan

but he fell out of it once the Michael era started because it became predictable

he sort of got back into it as i started paying attention to it and once Webber went to Red Bull

he's only properly gotten back into it recently

2007 was probably the first season he paid attention to in years

hence why i'm still a big Kimi fan because he was the first world champion i saw win

[velvet crater]

I’m not an admin 😭

[compact pewter]

Gasly
2018: Good
2019: Shit 1st half, Decent 2nd half
2020: Phenomenal
2021: Prime
2022: Bad
2023: Meh
2024: Shit

Alonso
2021: Decent
2022: Shit
2023: Godlike
2024: Decent

[craggy zenith]

Gasly would have had better results last year if his team stopped screwing him over

[plucky elm]

Beep

[outer perch]

dang

wasnt even bored back then

[atomic oracle]

what were you doing then

[feral gyro]

You can call me daddy

[outer perch]

im a minor

[outer perch]

sir i am a minor

and i will NOT be calling you daddy

[feral gyro]

Oh sory i mean mr or uncle

Sory my english is shit

[outer perch]

no

[compact pewter]

Verstappen
2015: Phenomenal
2016: Godlike
2017: Great
2018: Great
2019: Phenomenal
2020: Great
2021: Godlike
2022: Godlike
2023: Invincible
2024: Invincible?

[outer perch]

ngl

2023 id say godlike + rathe then invincible

like towards the 2nd half of the season sure

[feral gyro]

Ok

[compact pewter]

3 races lost only...

[outer perch]

shoudl have been 0 🗣️

anyways

@feral gyro stop being weird

and

[fast fable]

Blame Newey for not making the car flawless.

[outer perch]

ill call you an old man

[compact pewter]

Like 12 wins is enough

[outer perch]

exactly

anyways lads imma go enjoy some breakfast

[feral gyro]

36 is old man?

[outer perch]

max verstappen > your favorite driver (Dont dox me)

[outer perch]

yes

[feral gyro]

What really

[agile hill]

kids think anything over 22 is old don't worry about it lmao

[fast fable]

[feral gyro]

Kids just sent beric and trigger into hidding now too afraid to reveal their age

[outer perch]

anything over 6 years old is old

🤷‍♂️

[outer perch]

im 16 👍

almost 17

[feral gyro]

Cool, nobody asked

[snow swan]

Just because you feel young doesn’t mean you are young haha

[feral gyro]

But @agile hill is a viltrumite he will look young in his 700-800 years old while u prob already look frail and old in your 40s

[snow swan]

He is yoda? Haha

I hope not. I want to still be competing in jiu jitsu during that time.

[outer perch]

I'm sorry Mr. Shimu

[agile hill]

i'm not saying i am lmfao

[agile hill]

i will witness the heat death of the universe and look flawless doing it (real)

[signal nexus]

30s are now the new 20s you know

[snow swan]

"max verstappen wins the chinese GP"

[somber sparrow]

i would like to congratulate max on winning his fourth championship

[snow swan]

real

[somber sparrow]

"max verstappen wins the 2025 bahrain grand prix"

[snow swan]

"max verstappen wins the miami gp"

[main anchor]

He lost one gp

What a loser

[somber sparrow]

real

[main anchor]

I hate when this happens

He should've just fixed his car

But instead he just gave up

[somber sparrow]

he could've just gone back to the pits fixed his car, continued his race and won again
or just stopped in the middle and fixed it on his own

[main anchor]

Yeah wtf

Or just switch with perez

[snow swan]

real

[somber sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/wec-lmh-driver-pull-gif-27705881

[snow swan]

perez didnt get p2 anyways

[main anchor]

Waste

[somber sparrow]

if perez won in australia he couldve lead the championship for the first time in his career

what a waste

[main anchor]

He can't do shit without Max

What a shame

Perez was on fire in japan tho

He did what he had to do to get that sweet p2

[raven mist]

Bruh what did I got ping’d?

[delicate lichen]

Same

[tame plover]

yall think F1 would be interesting if there were less races like on an avg 12-15 races and variety in circuits every year

[narrow garnet]

12-15 is too few imo, 18-20 is perfect, and have a few gp that are on a rotation

[narrow garnet]

Bring back the European gp and have say 3 or 4 circuits on a rotation within it

or the US gp in the same fashion

[tame plover]

true 18 is fine as well, but I feel skipping some regions and brining in new ones might be the move

[vernal holly]

I don’t mind the amount

But when it gets to so many that even team principals aren’t attending them all

That’s too many

[cyan saffron]

I'm fine with how it is now.

[tame plover]

As a viewer it defo is fine, It is the burnout for those people who are working with constructors imo

[slim chasm]

rotate all of them

[drifting geyser]

Have the drivers vote on which circuits they feel like racing on, like when you vote for a track in Mario Kart

[slim chasm]

nah they'll vote on the boring ones smh

[forest dock]

😬 https://twitter.com/Motorsport/status/1776908734138081393

Motorsport.com (@Motorsport) on X

Alex Albon's chassis has been damaged in the #JapaneseGP and will be sent back to Williams' factory in the UK to undergo repairs for China.

Details here ⬇️

https://t.co/Mqzs9MXpDH #F1

Twitter · Apr 7, 2024, 9:43 AM

[drifting geyser]

All fun and games until someone throws rainbow road into the mix and the the randomiser lands on it

[fast fable]

R.I.P. Albon & Williams.

[inland geyser]

Those stats are completely useless. Clark only had 9 races, Senna had 16, and Max has 24 races a year to rack up stats

[slim chasm]

bye bye Albon

[slim chasm]

nah

Max is the goat

[inland geyser]

Clark is. You won’t change my mind

[forest dock]

They will be forced to take O'sullivan and Colopinto's F2 cars to China i guess.

[tame plover]

at this rate williams might be left with only 1 car in few races

[forest dock]

https://fixupx.com/scuderiafemboy/status/1777288540612628609?s=46&t=EIq58y0v-t0jLmxt2PlBQQ

[fast fable]

FW45 first, then FW44...

[bold pebble]

hello guys

[sterile pasture]

I used to have this pfp yestarday 😭

Just changed today

[dawn thistle]

Pls dont replace my king sargeant

[cloud oracle]

This ain't real

[bold pebble]

loved it ngl

[sterile pasture]

Makes you look like... Me

[coarse obsidian]

Now Alex "Crash" Albon will known as Alex "the Chassis Killer" Albon.

[vernal holly]

They really gotta work on finishing a race week without damage

[sterile pasture]

Alex Crashbon(es)

[coarse obsidian]

Alex Al(l)chassis

[static thorn]

im playing roblox f1

[vernal adder]

same

[gilded delta]

they all agreed with me

[sonic epoch]

Pain

But I know Williams and Albon will make a comeback on the 2nd half of the seasom

[wanton kiln]

Mercedes in Japan

Ferrari finally making smart strategy calls

Don't take me back to the binnoto days

[open storm]

wsg gng

[tacit seal]

Whats the next gp

And when

[cyan saffron]

China

next week

[tacit seal]

Ok

[forest dock]

Well they have been pretty good ever since Binnoto got sacked.

[vernal holly]

https://fxtwitter.com/xqzlsq/status/1777256534986330553

[storm hemlock]

lol

[wanton kiln]

Yeah

I still get flashbacks to Hungary 22

[marsh delta]

I started on the red flag so I didn’t miss the start

Or I kinda did

[royal needle]

They replayed it like a million times so you probably didn’t

[remote knoll]

I mean the only exciting thing that happened was the crash

[snow swan]

And they spammed replays of it from every pov during the red flag so if you saw that you’re fine

[remote knoll]

they didn't spam it, i only saw the replay 40 times

[stable flume]

I support Leclerc, but unfortunately, I'm really disappointed that he didn't finish 3rd.

[slim cape]

what happened to danny ricci?

i heard he had a crash but i cant find anything on it

[cyan saffron]

He had a crash with Alex directly after the start.

[hushed wadi]

precisely 20 seconds later

[cyan saffron]

or 3 corners later

[crystal shadow]

before ocon got his 89 year penalty at Japan

the media didn’t want you to see

[raven mist]

His car was just not having any grip at all, spun out and made contact with Alex’s car that’s just right behind him

Alex tried to slow down to get away from being pulled in with Danny but it was too late

Both crashed and they’re out, the race then had to start over again

Fyi, his car had medium compounds on it, which for a track like Suzuka, is far from ideal really

[compact pewter]

Unfunny + Verstappen penalty Joke is the new Ocon penalty joke

[junior echo]

Are Jos abuse jokes still in?

[compact pewter]

Idk

[clear thicket]

I hope F1 bring back Sepang circuit

[compact pewter]

Yea

To replace Vegas

Nurburgring to replace Spa

Istanbul to replace Miami

[crimson hawk]

never replace spa

[compact pewter]

Anthoine

[grim egret]

why did everyone change tyres at the red flag?

[compact pewter]

Free stop under Red Flag.
That has existed for years

[grim egret]

cant you just carry on with the tyres you came in with

i mean they are still fine

[dim dawn]

of course you can

but fresh tyres are always better than used tyres

and i mean the stop is free

it doesnt cost any time, as all the other cars are in the pit lane as well

and you dont loose any track positions

[grim egret]

oh so you dont have to pit again

u can say finish the race on that tyre

[dim dawn]

Yes

If you have a Red flag in suzuka e.g in the 60/70 laps

You change your tyres from used hards to fresh softs

so you can sprint to the finish line

[grim egret]

then why the fck merc chose hards

ridiculous

[dim dawn]

when was the red flag?

i didnt watch the race

[grim egret]

lap 1

[dim dawn]

Maybe Mercedes tried to one stop or change to softs in the last laps to have a last few fast laps

[grim egret]

u need pace for that

to challenge or be close to teams on mediums

meadium runners were eating them up for breakfast

ham had 3 cars on mediums take him

[calm heath]

wait hol on

chinese gp next? 😂

nah 3 races in a row in the afternoon for me

https://tenor.com/view/life-like-this-sure-is-sweet-drewski-jack-harlow-luxury-luxurious-gif-23979068

[grim egret]

how so?

[calm heath]

what

[grim egret]

oh all 3 races are in the afteroon

what country?

all 3 have been early morning

im tired

they must come back to EU

[wet sequoia]

Bruh you have like 17 races at a good time

In Australia I have 4-5 races at an appropriate time

The rest are midnight-4am start times

[grim egret]

i loved the australian GP though you wake up and its gridwalk

[wet sequoia]

Did a decent grid walk happen for Japan? I missed that part but didn’t miss the crash

[calm heath]

basically anyone who is in asia lol

and also us australians

[slim chasm]

get your lazy ass up in the morning smh

[thorny blade]

i can't wait for a race in my timezone

its a pain in my ass waking up early to watch verstappen win again

[cunning tulip]

Did anyone go to sazuka? I did. It was pretty boring honestly. Saving the money and watching at home would’ve been better

[snow swan]

imagine being Australian

what a poor ass country

[cunning tulip]

Ain’t no way bro called Australians poor

[snow swan]

Australia is a like 80 percent a desert

nothing there

[cunning tulip]

That doesn’t mean it’s in economic shambles

[cunning tulip]

Yep and most of that has oil which is why Australia is rich

[snow swan]

everything they buy is from China

[cunning tulip]

Isn’t the world all buying from china?

[snow swan]

Australias economy is a joke

[cunning tulip]

Where you from buddy?

[snow swan]

Australia is chinas savings account

[cunning tulip]

Really? Do you ever look at gdp per capita or are you just blindly speaking?

[cunning tulip]

GDP barely means anything. China is a primary example of this. Look at how low their capita gdp is and how high their gdp is.

[snow swan]

wow what cool place to hold a f1 race

[cunning tulip]

You searched for the middle of australia lol

How ignorant can you be

[snow swan]

no

I looked up the simpson desert

not just middle of no where Australia

but that is Australia

a desert

[cunning tulip]

Hey by your logic

[snow swan]

good for mad max maybe

[cunning tulip]

Wow what a nice place to host f1

[snow swan]

not for f1

[cunning tulip]

Red desert USA

Yea you show the middle of australia not the shores. Do you not know 90 percent of people in Australia live near the coast?

[snow swan]

every Australian is ugly

[cunning tulip]

You’re trolling at this point. Keep it up mate

[snow swan]

so too are their cars

they hella ugly

[cunning tulip]

What?

No one drive those

[snow swan]

Australian dont drive their own cars?

[cunning tulip]

Nope, but you can ask china. 40 percent of their cars are chinese brands and 90 percent of electric vehicle explosions come from chinese brands

[slate rose]

I’m an American that used to live in Australia and it’s way better there

The people, cities, safety

[cunning tulip]

@snow swan i dont know what youre on about but regional western Australian has a gdp per capita of 242000 USD. Far higher than most if not all American cities. Also better yet, free health care.

[cyan saffron]

Even here in Germany quite a lot of people don't drive German cars.

[slate rose]

Yeah I agree Australia is great

And I’m not even Aussie

[snow swan]

yea but western australia has nothing

america has cities

you really need to hear yourself

[boreal mulch]

what au is the best country in da wrd

[cunning tulip]

Are you dyslexic ? I’m talking about gdp per capita. The economy and business lmao

[boreal mulch]

oh shite

sry

[slate rose]

Bro doesn’t know Perth exists

[snow swan]

perth is a shithole

[slate rose]

Bro I’m American and most of our cities are a dump

[cunning tulip]

Let’s take Melbourne’s gdp per capita for example. 70k usd per capita. Still larger than most American cities

[slate rose]

There polluted over populated

[boreal mulch]

what about CRIME RATE

[slate rose]

People are losing jobs

[echo igloo]

god help me

i got an ingrown nail

the pain is mental

[snow swan]

I hate Australians and their stupid looking utes

[echo igloo]

crime rate gonna pull that shit down bro

[boreal mulch]

you need a doctor

[echo igloo]

i swear us is insane

dont they have lik

17 missing nukes or something

[slate rose]

Yeah America is in a bad place right now

People are going broke

Cause if inflations and everyone is getting laid off

[boreal mulch]

maybe its put on sale on cringelist

[cyan saffron]

We have understood you don't like Australia, don't get too offensive please.

[slate rose]

Yeah what is bros thing with Australia

[agile hill]

i heard i have someone to fight for my country’s pride

(not really lmfao i’m not weird and nationalistic)

[cunning tulip]

Never seen one of those on the streets. People use ford utes

[boreal mulch]

couple of years ago there are many

[snow swan]

sounds like a knock off f150

[boreal mulch]

we got falcon

[snow swan]

we got mustang

[boreal mulch]

but discontinued

[snow swan]

good riddance

[slate rose]

We got unemployment

Lmao

[echo igloo]

i wonder who has that missing nuke bro

[snow swan]

what an ugly car

[boreal mulch]

iranian

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-persian-iranian-funny-as-hell-beard-gif-18125129

[mighty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/hear-me-out-gif-16405942403770438522

[snow swan]

im hearing you out

[boreal mulch]

ever heard of this

[craggy zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/unimpressed-not-impressed-amused-gif-13997644

[mighty mango]

https://tenor.com/view/ch0colatchaud-burst-gif-21178804

[snow swan]

no

[cunning tulip]

Plus the car is a HSV which is a subsidiary of Holden which is a Australian subsidiary owned by General Motors

[slate rose]

And General Motors is American

[cunning tulip]

Exactly

[slate rose]

Its headquarters is in Detroit Michigan

[snow swan]

yea holden was bought out by gm to survive the great depression and ww2

[boreal mulch]

sounds like a nice place /s

[slate rose]

It’s not bro

Idk if your joking lmao

[cunning tulip]

Exactly, so hsv is basically an offbranch of gm

[snow swan]

yea but gm didnt need to buy holden

[craggy zenith]

If you want to be technical, it doesn't exist

[snow swan]

they could have just been normal and sold chevys in Australia

[boreal mulch]

isnt holden defunct or sth?

[cyan saffron]

Me seeing HSV and thinking of a German soccer club.

[craggy zenith]

been defunct for nearly 4 years

[cunning tulip]

Kind of like how Volvo is a chinese company now because Great Wall motors

[craggy zenith]

and why would they do that?

[slate rose]

You see American car manufacturers are down bad compared to German ones and Asian ones so they need to do all this extra stuff to stay alive

[boreal mulch]

geely

[craggy zenith]

given all GM did was buy half the Australian car industry

if anything changing Holden to any GM brand would make people see it as American and flock towards Ford

[cunning tulip]

I dont care if they didnt need to. They did, so Holden is not an official Australian company. Just its headquarters in china

[boreal mulch]

so the same goes for Land Rover?

and Jag?

[snow swan]

Holden sold a lot of rebadged chevy anyway, cause Australians are dumb

[craggy zenith]

Lamborghini

[cunning tulip]

Australia doesnt have any official vehicles with an independent Australian brand. Because there is already too much competition

[cunning tulip]

Yes

[craggy zenith]

and Chevy and Vauxhall sold a bunch of rebadged holdens

[slate rose]

Yeah Land Rover and Range Rover are effective Indian brands

[craggy zenith]

i'm not calling americans and europeans dumb now am i?

[snow swan]

im pretty sure their headquaters were in somewhere melbourne, victoria

when they were still kicking around of course

[craggy zenith]

hence why the Australian car industry is dead

it was too expensive and too small a market to compete in

[boreal mulch]

and too many brands

[cunning tulip]

I know it is. Doesnt mean it’s Australian. For example volvo headquarters is in Sweden but it is a chinese company

[boreal mulch]

you even got GWM and Mahindra

[craggy zenith]

too many brands isn't the issue

[slate rose]

Range Rover is in the uk and it’s Indian

[craggy zenith]

it's the market share

[boreal mulch]

Chinese and Indian brands

[craggy zenith]

most people in Australia buy Japanese cars

[cunning tulip]

Exactly

[slate rose]

Same in America

[craggy zenith]

Honda's, Toyota's, Nissans

[slate rose]

Exactly

[craggy zenith]

the car industry was already tiny as it is, and most people weren't buying new Holden or Ford models

[cunning tulip]

Prime example is Volvo

[craggy zenith]

so they just pulled the plug

[cunning tulip]

It’s chinese but it has its headquarters in Sweden

It’s still a chinese brand and under Great Wall motors china

[snow swan]

so Holden was never really Australian? even tho the guy named after the company James Alexander Holden immigrated to Adelaide, South Australian and started shop there?

[craggy zenith]

except it was founded and started by an Australian

and Volvo is still swedish

[boreal mulch]

No, they basically are just rebadged GM cars

[craggy zenith]

regardless of where the company is based

[craggy zenith]

so how does that explain the cars that were designed, build and only sold in Australia?

[cunning tulip]

If you want to get into company politics sure. Holden currently is NOT Australian. It’s owned by GM which is American which means Holden is also American. It just has an Australian origin and Australian headquarter

[craggy zenith]

if you want to get into company politics, Holden and Australian Ford don't exist

they're dead

[boreal mulch]

facelift is easy to do

[cunning tulip]

Swedish company bought by chinese and few years back

[slate rose]

Mate Porsche was started in Austria and now it’s German, what is your point

[cunning tulip]

Never said they did

[craggy zenith]

GM didn't wish Holden into existance

they were already there when they bought it

if we want to run by your logic, Lamborghini isn't Italian

[snow swan]

that was cause of ww2 im pretty sure

[snow swan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZ_a4CA-idI

riiiiight

[craggy zenith]

because the Italians don't own Lambo

[cyan saffron]

Lamborghini would be German then because of being part of the Volkswagen group.

[slate rose]

America has Tesla

And ford

Those are the only 2 big ones

And teslas suck

[boreal mulch]

And GM

[slate rose]

Oh yeah gm

[craggy zenith]

if you want to get even more political

GM isn't American

[boreal mulch]

what

[slate rose]

But not much people in America drive gm cars they drive Japanese Korean and German brands

[craggy zenith]

because GM is owned by Stellantis

and Stellantis is not entirely american

[boreal mulch]

No Chrysler owned by stellantis

GM is GM

Chrysler -> FCA -> Stellantis

[surreal meteor]

??

[slate rose]

Gm is Chevrolet Buick Cadillac GMC

[boreal mulch]

same goes for dodge

owned by stellantis

[surreal meteor]

GM owned Vauxhall and Opel which they sold to FCA now Stellantis

[craggy zenith]

okay no that's backwards

[surreal meteor]

but GM is not and never has been owned by Stellantis

[craggy zenith]

Stellantis had to sell shares of itself to GM because Stellantis bought parts of them

[slate rose]

Stellantis is Dutch

[craggy zenith]

but they bought them back

[slate rose]

Germans make the best cars

[surreal meteor]

Stellantis is 'only' Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler, Citroën, Dodge, DS, Fiat, Jeep, Lancia, Maserati, Opel, Peugeot, RAM, and Vauxhall