#Remove shutters

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swift pebble
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Either remove shutters or give them an health or ability to be shot and destroyed, god i fucking hate seeing fucking shutters on every single fucking window on that one map we play fof on, i hate it, i fucking hate it, i keep seeing my enemies but we have to awkwardly stare at eachother or get around 5 airlock BECAUSE SHUTTERS ARE INDESTRUCTIBLE AND BLOCK EVERYTHING EXCEPT VISION REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

waxen zinc
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become an enlightened CT main and carry fourteen breaching charges / c4

swift pebble
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i might just do the whole server a favor and destroy all the shutters with explosives and brute just so people can fucking play the game and shoot eachother

brazen wharf
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bumping this

tardy finch
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show me a pic of said shutters and the name of the map

tardy finch
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@swift pebble can you confirm it's these

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aight

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@elfin badger hey bossman

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I'm going through this and I need your input

elfin badger
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You can make them destructable.

tardy finch
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Only them ?

elfin badger
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The see-through ones, yeah.

tardy finch
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All RMC shutters are indestructible by regular means

elfin badger
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The rest should stay as is.

tardy finch
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Got it.

elfin badger
tardy finch
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I'll go through the window ones and make them desctrutible

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you got a value for me ?

tardy finch
elfin badger
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Its just that those window shutters are on every god damn map.

tardy finch
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it's either breaching tools or xeno acid

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I was thinking 500 structural or some shit but I really don't know much

swift pebble
elfin badger
swift pebble
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these annoying shits

tardy finch
swift pebble
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what is that shutter is meant to be from the start anyways?

tardy finch
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there's no value assigned to them.

sour citrus
swift pebble
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Isn't that plastic shutter you see on commercial buildings IRL?

tardy finch
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I don't know which map has or doesn't have them.

swift pebble
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pretty much most maps have them

elfin badger
swift pebble
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but you also gotta keep in mind some maps use those shutters as anti-prison or security counter-measure

tardy finch
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Even as windowed ?

swift pebble
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yes

tardy finch
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I'll only changed the ones that go over windows

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well then that's a problem.

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Tbf if I do like

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half the health of a regular wall

sour citrus
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tbh, this is more a mapping issue than .yml issue

swift pebble
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we possibly need to seperate the commercial ones and security ones

tardy finch
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would that still be an issue ?

sour citrus
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people overusing shutters

tardy finch
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Shooting down a wall with a gun is already plenty.

swift pebble
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but in short i fucking hate these little fucking shits being on every map

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everywhere

tardy finch
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and if it does come to this I'll need someone to replace all of the sensitive areas that needs security grade shutters

swift pebble
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i can understand it being in brig cell windows and admin office but why the fuck does a random office in hybrisa is fucking coated with indestructible shutters

tardy finch
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just to be clear @swift pebble it's these shutters that are turbo overused

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and these aren't overused

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swift pebble
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the second ones are normal i think they are acceptable as they are rarely used for vault type gigs and are not see-through

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but the first one is so obnoxious

tardy finch
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kk so

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bear with me now

swift pebble
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it is see through but all you can do is see through

tardy finch
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make the first breakable at less effort than a wall

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second will be the new sec versions

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it'll still take a lot of work to shoot'em (the windowed shutters) down, though.

swift pebble
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i agree but personally i would make the first ones more flimsy but thats just personal opinions at that point so doesnt really matters

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up to you

tardy finch
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They'll be flimsier than regular walls healthwise but not something you can break with a single mag of pistol, hopefully.

sour citrus
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This is a bad change but you do you bro

tardy finch
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I'll consider your word properly if you justify it

sour citrus
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Here's what's going to happen:
Someone it going to spam throw a knife at all the shutters.

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Or spam throw a lightbulb at them.

tardy finch
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okay valid thought

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you can do that with regular walls, yeah ?

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I remember seeing that.

sour citrus
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Yes, which everyone perma brig has a issue with

tardy finch
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right

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so that's an issue that concern a lot more of objects than just shutters

sour citrus
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We use shutters because they can't be destroyed like that

tardy finch
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You think it'd be too bad to implement shutter health before making it so knifes and shit can't destroy them ?

sour citrus
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So if you change shutters, we're going to have to find another object or revert the change

tardy finch
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or maybe just make it so a knife can't bust down a wall.

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seems like a better solution ngl.

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but that's why these shutters are used in sec places, because you can't break them, right ?

sour citrus
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objects can probably be given the armor component but idk

swift pebble
sour citrus
tardy finch
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You've mapped them personally ?

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or you just know of someone who did for that purpose

swift pebble
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also, spam throwing knives and tiles at walls is straight NRP anyways

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why not just smite them at that point

tardy finch
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it is but like

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shouldn't happen

sour citrus
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yes, I also map them over windows of secure areas or wooden window frames

tardy finch
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it's easy to mechanically enforce this

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right k

sour citrus
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because you can just go through the door or wall easily

tardy finch
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question

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the regular shutters, you can use these just as well or not ?

tardy finch
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ftr

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over windows and doors.

sour citrus
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I don't want to add buttons for every shutter

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so being able to see through them is generally better

tardy finch
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I see.

sour citrus
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also, I think you can crowbar either of them if power is out

tardy finch
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yess

sour citrus
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or just use explosive

tardy finch
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you can crowbar all shutters if out of power.

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that's basic shutter interaction but not really the topic of the post we're in

sour citrus
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if anything, the see through shutters could not block bullets

tardy finch
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what do you mean by that

sour citrus
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just shoot through them

tardy finch
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You can do that ?

sour citrus
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not yet no

tardy finch
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Right.

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But in CM you can ?

sour citrus
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probably not

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but cm only has distress

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shutters are just walls that need to be acided by xenos

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where as walls can but destroyed by some xeno claws

tardy finch
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walls can take damage shuttres are straight up indestructible

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Alright, how about

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I make a PR that's a two line YML change

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where window shutters ARE destructible

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and we see how that plays out

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can always be reverted and tbh I can't be fucked to tackle the issue of taking down a wall by throwing a knife at it repeteadly.

sour citrus
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It's pretty apparent how it'll play out already

tardy finch
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that's the beauty of it.

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we can revert it.

sour citrus
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but you do you, I'm not the maintainer

tardy finch
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Feel free to gather proof of people abusing their destructibility in the future

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if they do change will be reverted, that simple

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aye ?

sour citrus
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nah, I'll just let others suffer and do nothing

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and just continue doing my mapping 🌛

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the MP / sec mains will be the ones to give feedback

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when people keep breaking out

tardy finch
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Then someone else will do what you're theorising.

sour citrus
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this shit isn't going to effect me at all is what I'm saying

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shutters being indestructible has anti-shitter properties

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it only effects MP + CMB

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negatively

tardy finch
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I don't really get the point of advocating against a change you don't care about, honestly

sour citrus
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and CLF / antags / threats

tardy finch
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but that's fair

sour citrus
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positively

sour citrus
tardy finch
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fair 'nuff

swift pebble
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i will kill you with a pool noodle

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do you know the misery i feel playing fof on hybrisa?

sour citrus
tardy finch
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Hybrisa's an amazing map what

sour citrus
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we don't need to change every map just to fix Hybrisa 🌛

tardy finch
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As a player I like it as a mapper I strive to be like it

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simple

tardy finch
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it's the every other map that decided to use Hybrisa's shutters

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not the other way around