Synthetic role feedback

[inland tree]

Synths right now don't differentiate themselves from the other HRP roles, unlike Working Joes.

They have a lot of resistances and tools stacked onto one role. Damage resistances (Blunt, Slash, Piercing: 0.5x (50% reduction)
Heat, Shock, Cold: 0.9x (10% reduction) ), stun resistance (2.5x multiplier), no slowdown on health loss, instant healing by other players, no blood loss, night vision, experimental meson goggles in loadout (that give full x-ray including mobs), and a wide skill set that covers most jobs in the game.

Visually they look exactly like a normal marine. The only way to tell them apart is the job icon.

The neutral rule that synths operate under can only be enforced through word of mouth, not through any game mechanic. You have to wait for an unfavourable action before you can respond, and you're expected to remember which synth did what and what counts as neutral. There's also no way to tell mechanically whether a synth is acting in bad faith before going back to playing neutral.

Between the skill set and the loadout, the role feels more gameplay oriented than RP oriented. I'm not sure what about it warrants it being an HRP role in its current state. The addition of the combat synth (I understand it's admin only) seems at least to me to reflect this as well.

They take 25% more explosive damage, but in practice that doesn't matter much when healing takes a couple of seconds. I've seen a synth go from 10% to full health in under 2 seconds being repaired by another player with cables after getting hit by a boiler explosive trap.

[worldly pecan]

Most cases I have seen synths usually be in active combat, The case being where they can instantly go from 1 HP for example, or just generally close to it, and it takes anybody with no engineering skills to left click really fast with a blow torch, and they are fine. there no after action queue up, and can be easily abusable under the right conditions. That all I have to comment in terms of yet, because I usually have play against them as a threat role.

[winged swallow]

Meson goggles have to be a cia psyop because who thought the role with maxed skills that’s super hard to kill needed fullbright xray

It’s like bait it’s gotta be

Not to mention they can use binoculars while using them, effectively giving them full view of any fight with effectively ghost vision, which I’ve witnessed synth players use to coordinate with marines on enemy positions, not very hrp

[brittle vigil]

i mean, what else do you expect them to do tbh, we werent given any explanation on how meson goggles should be or should not be used, as long as it is not used to meta clf base or something obnoxious like that it is fine in my book, blame whoever added the goggles

[eternal magnet]

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[eternal magnet]

its unsoulful

this post is interesting

@nova solstice

@woven sonnet

[woven sonnet]

what

[woven sonnet]

this took a while to type ive been busy at work

as other people have said synthetics are very much, as they stand currently, gameplay oriented over roleplay. i havent witnessed much truly 'high' roleplay moments (in fact ive witnessed a colony synthetic willingly let a wendigo into the we-yu facility on shepherds after saying the word 'monster' and nothing else)

to start, as NOX has said they have resistances upon resistances stacked up with no real downside to it, explo damage can be instantly repaired by engi 0 people, not only that but if you DO kill one they can be revived in 10 seconds, maybe 20 seconds tops if you have a synthetic key, a blowtorch, and a cpm only slightly faster than an 80 y/o granny playing Zuma.

their skill set is a bit high, but ultimately fine apart from one thing. the thing that isnt fine is their cqc, melee, lack of slowdown from damage, numerous resistances, all combining with, as NOX also pointed out, their weird, loopholey combat ruling that can be interpreted in six different directions.

lowkey i wouldnt know where to start with synthetic, i havent played it on cmu, only played it on rmc for admin testing with no real interactions

i havent even seen the new mesons tho, if theyre what i think they are neither govfor nor colsynth need them, them having them brings up like 6 or 7 more issues

[winged swallow]

mesons are totally unnecessary yeah, its genuinely just ghost vision.

[thin moat]

Generally a LRP/NRP role

[brittle vigil]

As a player that has over 50 hours on synthethic, if i gotta be square here, it is the players, synthethic's stats doesnt matters at all as at the end of the day it is an rp focused role, the opinions here doesnt really matter because you guys arent really looking at the problem from the right angle, the problem is not that synthethic can instantly get repaired or has this or that resistances or can do this and that with hammer and cqc no, a synthethic mostly should not be using his skillset to frag anyways, the solution to LRP/NRP fragging synth isnt to tweak numbers you just ahelp them, simple as.

Majority of synthethic skills is to plug in the holes and help where he is needed or help and teach people, for combat skills cqc 4 is there to disarm immediate violence inciters and de-escalate the situation, melee weapons 2 is there bash xenofauna/wildlife's head in to get them to fuck off of colonists, if you see a syntethic acting as kung fu marine and go around tackle clf just report it, if you see a synthethic constantly resin mining when there is like 20 IB marines at the back report them, yes their stats are OP but they are quite literally not meant to be using those stats to frag around so it doesnt really matters tweaking is not needed, just report them and get their wh removed

i dont remember having the time to frag anyways even when i get converted on insurgency rounds, i legit finish converted synth rounds with no kills or like 1-2 kills that i absolutely had to do and the rest is surgery simulator mechanic wise

[eternal magnet]

sorry iris you're wrong

it's not because it's an roleplay focused role that their mechanics shouldn't translate to their roleplay

i'll give you a concret example

[brittle vigil]

the problem i think is mostly fragminded synth players, people that think synth should be played like working joe + and those that hop on synthethic without knowing basics of all departments

[eternal magnet]

your directives are of both self preservation AND to preserve your allies lives, yes?

Let's say, then, you walk into the frontlinr together with the marines. And by the frontline I don't mean walking right infront of everyone, you can be some few tiles back away from the ball

A CLF comes, kills an isolated marine. You come in, and notices what's happening. They are really close, and you are aware they will not shoot you, but they will shoot if you rush them or go for the corpse. Still, due to your no slowdown + CQC 5, you are 100% sure you can tackle them before they kill you.

Now, as per your directives and synthetic rules, you are allowed to just go and tackle them.

You might think this isn't a problem, but this is where the majority of the synthetic complaints come from: they are doing things they should not be doing, because the atmosphere of synthetics is that they don't do these type of things. At most, they'd wait for the CLF to leave and THEN recover the corpse. But now, considering their directives, would it really make sense for them to wait to do that?

[brittle vigil]

i mean, from the start clf wouldnt leave the corpse there anyways

so i dont see the problem if synthethic saves the dead marine without boomfragging the clf or going extra mile to handcuff and buckle clf somewhere just so they can spend the rest of their round in brig

i would personally warn the lone marine to merge back with the squad and assume there is more clf and dont bother with trying to ssave but if i 100% know it is a single clf and no more i might try saving the marine corpse, depends on the situation though

i know what the complaint is here i personally had the misfortune to get chased 15 tiles around a building by a govfor synth to get stun tackled and shot to death by her sgo buddy and i wasnt even shooting a gun or anything while running away, there is a fine line between using your skillset in a obnoxious way and ruining the fun and using it to save someones fun

if synthethic is sweating extra hard to handcuff that clf and get them in brig that is obnoxious usage of skillset but if he is just saving a marine from RR i dont really see what is obnoxious or unlikeable here, clf is upset cuz synth prevented them from round removing someone just for some loot and -1 govfor?

[eternal magnet]

it isnt a problem with the current ruleset

but it goes agaisnt the atmosphere of synthetics in general as shown in the movies and comics

[brittle vigil]

didnt we already broke the atmosphere with greenos anyways

[eternal magnet]

i hate greenos too

[wispy condor]

%80 of the worst interactions I’ve had on this server have involved a synthetic. Even survs on Rmc are more tolerable. Synths are basically Dragon Ball Z characters who are the protagonists of the round. They never rot, tanky as hell who don’t get slowed down from damage, they can see through walls, they can 1 shot crit you with a pickaxe(at least they used to be able to. And they can heal to full in an actual second as long as the person healing them can left click fast enough.The role is designed and played like the ultimate Nrp/Lrp Fragging role but instead of killing you they shove you once and throw you into perma for the rest of the 3 hour round because they can and feel like it which leaves a bad taste in your mouth. The only way to fix this role is to remove their CQB and combat skills. They should be played as the ultimate support tool not the ultimate weapon. This is only for non combat synths

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-stronger-smarter-better-gif-27330950

[brittle vigil]

i bet dudes that do that cant fix a colony light

my cortisol levels spike up everytime i am reminded of it, please report synthethics more

[clever coyote]

Those who remember when synths could use tasers and non-lethals

They were running people down like prime von back then

[wispy condor]

They are trying to re-add it right now

[brittle vigil]

i remember a colony synthethic chasing me to arrest for 3 full minutes in barkers back when we had 35 pop

[wispy condor]

That has to be the most terrifying experience

[brittle vigil]

it was because at the time i didnt knew synthethics could see in the dark so i thought i was losing him but kept hearing his footsteps and him when i clicked m2 randomly behind me, i thought he was listening to my footsteps like a maniac so i tried to confuse him by randomly stopping by the water but didnt work

[brittle vigil]

why does the synthethics even need it bro, they have cqc 4

i cant wait to get tasered on my butt by a govfor synth and get dragged around like a potato sack in the brig for 15 minutes because i threw a cigarette on someone

not to mention cqc 4 tackle is better than baton anyways

[wispy condor]

Synths are just better MPs for no reason at all

[brittle vigil]

lowkey synths shouldnt even MP anyways

i dont care about comparity or whatever that word was, bear tackling john e1 private and lecturing them on some chatgpt ahhhhh shit just cuz they threw a cigarette on the ground might be the least fun and engaging shit since dad jokes

colony synthethics cant intervene with law enforcement in any capacity which i like but govfor synthethics also should not be sniffing around with sop/usmj lawyering now that we have proper MPs

[acoustic fossil]

It doesn't really fit with them not having actual authority either imo

[brittle vigil]

i dont think arresting CO and overall being an obnoxious MP robocop really helps with peoples hatred towards synthethics anyways, let the people that rolled for the role be rule lawyering assholes

just one of the many examples of synthethics trying to be main character instead of the background support #vomitemoji

[obsidian quiver]

Highkey nuke the fuck out of synth combat capabilities

[hollow vine]

I agree with literally all of your points but what you pointed out that a lot of people fail to bring up in critiquing synthetics, is that in game when you feel that a synthetic did something wrong it is particularly easy for them to slip under the radar and get away freely with it which is something I’ve noticed across a multitude of rounds is that in the vast majority of instances be it times where they are at fault or times where the alternative party in question simply believes the synth was unjust or lrp in their actions they frequently get away with it simply by merit of being a synthetic, despite being op and the fact that they should be held to a higher standard.

Just was impressed by you mentioning that facet of how oppressive synth players can be because I feel like a lot of people fail to mention it

Also some of them just take the Initiative in instances where the prerequisites for them doing much of anything hadn’t been met but w/e

[wispy condor]

Colony synthetics love arresting people

[brittle vigil]

that is straight up rule break btw lmao

report it

[hollow vine]

Look I know my reputation but anecdotally speaking the amount of times colony synthetics have gone for the arrest is not insignificant

it’s like the norm from those players lmao

[brittle vigil]

colony synthethic straight up can not intervene with law enforcement in any way, most it can do is to tell that the action being done is illegal/unethical whatever and alert cmb

ngl i am just gonna suggest a ssnythethic WL purge

several people need to get their synthethic accesses removed

[onyx sparrow]

someone needs to go into YAML and figure out disabling their x-ray genuinely
its 100% WL bait LOL

[hollow vine]

I should really make a list of the bad ones

[onyx sparrow]

the meson should be fine as drip but it being x-ray is like

fucking stupid

[brittle vigil]

make the list and make a ticket with it

do not keep it to yourself

[onyx sparrow]

make a list, make a ticket, evidence if possible

[brittle vigil]

it seems rule lawyering and reporting is only way we gonna get rid of these players

[onyx sparrow]

we r begging for wl reports if u see lrp do smth abt it

[brittle vigil]

tolerance is good an all but the issue clearly persists and needs action to be done

[dire oak]

i wonder how hard it would be to remove mob vision from the mesons

Floor vision is not that bad

[onyx sparrow]

from what i saw it had 2 compinents related to it
idk if one of them are mob vision only or not

[wispy condor]

It would instantly get disregarded because of your rep

[brittle vigil]

to be honest

X-ray in general is unneeeded

i just wanted full-bright

i dont even get the joke of half-bright

like, why?

[dire oak]

eye strain

also for xenos but thats for PVP

[brittle vigil]

it does nothing but get me to hunch over the monitor to see things, and no it doessnt make me not see someone that i otherwise would with full-bright if that is the intention

[languid dome]

Leave synths as is but give them a .1% chance every tick to instantly get a malfunction and instantly die and get rr'd

[dire oak]

for xenos its about seeing light sources, idk why synths get it

it should be a toggle tbh

[brittle vigil]

actually, give every synthethic a parasite that smacks them in the head everytime they break a rule or act like main character or corny in general

[onyx sparrow]

i have to think its just a carryover from normal ss13

but its fucked

[eternal magnet]

this is already in place

you can notice how its quite ineffective

[brittle vigil]

how

there is like 15-20 people that play synthethics in total

or am i tweaking?

[dire oak]

people dont ahelp enough

[vernal night]

the problem with mesons is I think the way they are made is entirely wrong.

It's just meant to give you the information about the surroundings not the entities

so you can see what's the layout of the other room is not the people inside etc I think the problem is ss14 does not stop rendering people when there is no clear line of sight with them. That's also why aliens can be visible and clipping across walls

that needs a fix-up

[dire oak]

i havent played normal ss14 engi in a long ass fucking time but im pretty sure upstream has floor vision mesons

that dont show people

we should have the same components to turn the synth mesons into just floor vision

[vernal night]

that would work if someone edits it.

iirc

also I did saw lot of LRP stuff but I also saw good synths I don't personally know if I'm a good or bad one(still havent made a desc waiting research for that) persay but I really enjoy seeing Brad play.

[quaint spade]

never heard of that being available as actual goggles, but station AI has an overlay to see walls and airlocks outside of camera range

[winged swallow]

I’ve seen floor vision goggles before on cm13, think it was meson something but not the synth kind

[quaint spade]

oh nvm the pr was never merged on wizden, but it exists, somewhere

[vernal night]

it gives you piss vision while experimentel ones dont have the piss filter thats it really

[eternal magnet]

im not the one handling the wl

[gusty sphinx]

I'm all for synths basically having to go to a repair station to heal

[eternal magnet]

not needed

making their HP and resistance akin to humans + delimbing akin to humans will be enough

[vernal night]

The problem is why the fuck the synthetics are in combat

they shouldn't be in that position at all

debuffing or changing params will do nuthing when they just add gen1-gen2 again where they are just more durable more tanky for no reason

[gusty sphinx]

Indeed, which is why I feel like the drawbacks to being injured should be vast as a synth

[vernal night]

I feel like self preservation should be enforced

more

[brittle vigil]

or like

ahelp them

[vernal night]

ahelp them

[brittle vigil]

thats a great solution too

[gusty sphinx]

This too

Don't hit me with no ahelp them smh OF COURSE, there's alot of ways synths do get injured while not trying to beat someone's shit, tho

[inland tree]

because their current implementation and kit allows them to

ahelp as a solution is not good implementation

synths need something unique thats not stat dump

[vernal night]

idk I probably can't really see stuff from my perspective in proper because I never did like combat synthing or frontlining and shit.

Maybe I'm just having trouble because of that. I'll leave you people to decide up

one thing I'd say is though like

I saw some synthetics just taking people's jobs from them which I very much dislike

synths are to aid the duties no one cares or no one is capable near to it tbh If I see a corpsman(and they are not busy) I'll get the body to them instead of instantly starting healing em

also new ones struggle to keep up dialogue while doing tasks I've seen I wonder if guide page can have stuff about assigning words to keybinds.

[eternal magnet]

because the rules allow it

ahelp will do nothing when the rules allow it

i see alot of people not understanding the main complaint about synths

it isnt that synths go on the front and start robusting everyone, thats just blatant rulebreaks that gets ahelped and thats it

the main complaint is that synths will walk together with a two-three men group and if any enemies kill those men in question, the synth will either:

1. robust them
2. recover the corpses

with no way to prevent this

because synths are just that strong

and like

as an example

you NEED to let the synths recover the govfor bodies because they can robust and RR you if you dare to do otherwise

and overrall this kind of goes the atmosphere of synthetics in the Aliens universe

they are meant to stand out the least

if you watch the Aliens movie you'll notice that Bishop does not show any feat that makes him stand out as a synthetic (aside from still being operational after being ripped in half) through the whole movie

he's just a smart guy with science knowledge

no nightvision, no special goggles or anything

[dire oak]

If we replayed aliens in cmu right now bishop would run in and save half the marines from getting dragged off

[eternal magnet]

LOL

bishop robusting the warrior and saving hudson from getting pulled

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-speed-w-TT9HgA7jsbJNDnV31v

[dire oak]

And the implication i got from the first movie as to why bishop isnt doing allat is that synths are fragile

A drone would lowdiff bishop and like they cant in cmu

[eternal magnet]

yes

bishop explicitly says he does not wish to go out and connect the uplink tower to the dropship in the sulaco (that is in orbit)

and that he will only do so because he is the most capable person between them

[brittle vigil]

how is synthethic robusting people with firearms

we are a bit exxagerating here lowk

it just dies if you shoot it on open ground with a rifle or if there is two shooters

[eternal magnet]

its because it has no slowdown on damage and almost sure-tackle chance

[dire oak]

50% damage resistance, no damage slowdow, stun resistance, two tap tackle

[eternal magnet]

it can be one tap tackle

[dire oak]

But not always and synth players will point this out when you phrase it like that

Why does synth even get damage resistance, no slowdown and stun resistance is fine to convey the inhuman robot thing

Like i don't mind them being OP to some degree but they get so many things and then after that even more

[inland tree]

cause you just walk with your 0.5 brute resist and stun the guy with tackle

[vernal night]

representation of any synthetic in media is just them being ripped in half though. I don't think movies are a good source for any argument

even romulus shamelessly plugs a synth ripped in half

[surreal junco]

working joe 10 hour playtime req for synth

synths must experience being working joe

[twilit elk]

i play synth and i agree. remove mesons (although i do like them simply bc im nosy, not bc i use the info i gain from them to powergame), and clarify rules. synths should at no point be on the frontlines playing tug of war with xenos for a cap, clearing resin w/ breaching hammer, or pointing out threat positions w/ mesons, tackling CLF to stop them from killing govfor, etc.

i also want to point out that as a xeno player it is incredibly unfun to play against synths bc we're technically not supposed to harm them without reason, and oftentimes we get in trouble for destroying synths who were by all means taking aggressive action (as said above, destroying resin, playing tug of war)

[surreal junco]

removing mesons is huge

[eternal magnet]

if an admin does a bullshit ruling about harming synths come talk to me

not the first time i had to handle one of these

[nova solstice]

Such an amazing role

[brittle vigil]

ask your queen for permission to kill the synthethic if they keep being obnoxious, or just smack them once or twice to get them to fuck off if they insist on repairing gens or breaking resin or stuff like that

had this happen, i gave synthethic few chances to stopbreaking weeds/resin behind backlines, he kept breaking everytime there was no xenos around him so at the end i just kept hitting him untill he left

bro thinks i dont see the weed disappearing or i dont hear the resin breaking sounds 🥀

[eternal magnet]

you dont need to ask for permission

if they are obnoxious you can just kill them

not hit so they retreat

kill synths

obnoxious synths

kill them

they deserve it

synths need to be put on their place

[native adder]

I have to say as a Synthmain ?

This entire thread is just misplaced malding.

Synthetics are, in their core idea and design, meant to be an HRP role.

They are supposed to be entirely and fully unique characters who yes, can step in with anything that doesn't involve direct combat or ranged weaponry,

But they are straight up supposed to not take over the job entirely.

A good Synthetic steps up and helps Bravo build when they notice Bravo has no CT.

A good Synthetic lingers behind the front to help manage casualties, using their superior surgical and medical skills on the most critical patients.

I CANNOT stress the following enough:

REPORT BAD SYNTHS

I would myself much rather find out I'm a shit Synth player than for such a unique role to get nuked because nobody ever speaks up to report the people who misuse and abuse the role.

The problem isn't Synthetics.

The problem is wholy and entirely players who play Synthetics without keeping to their unique HRP position in the story being told.

This is why Ahelps exist.

It¨s also WHY they were put onto the HRP WL in the first place.

[wispy condor]

Remove all Combat from non combat synths and they can do everything you just mentioned

[native adder]

Forcefully disabling a player's ability to defend themselves is not the direction you want to go for any role.

No, straight up.

[wispy condor]

If the synth is with people they will be fine

[native adder]

I absolutely disagree with you.

[wispy condor]

thats fair

we can agree to disagree

[native adder]

FORCE PACIFIST-ING a player is not a healthy way to resolve these sorts of issues whatsoever.

It's genuinely the same logic as forcefully and completely disarming all police officers irl due to the misbehaving of a few.

Is it a different situation ? Sure. But the logic is the exact same.

And making people physically unable to fight back will result in Synths being targetted like no tomorrow.

You'd instead get a situation where already unhappy synth players entirely stop playing the role because they went from already being often targetted to being a defenseless victim.

Synths have rather strict fucking rules.

So stop waving around gutting a genuinely interesting role,

AND ACTUALLY REPORT BAD SYNTHS

THEY ARE ON THE WHITELIST, THEIR ACCESS CAN BE REVOKED

[wispy condor]

Joes are synths and people absolutely love rping with them if synths lose overpowered combat potential they wont get fragged left and right

[wispy condor]

If a role isnt interesting anymore because you cant 1 shot melee or shove people you are playing it for the wrong reason

[hollow vine]

if anything synths not being disgustingly overpowered, will have clf less inclined to kill and assimilate them

[hollow vine]

wtf

[wispy condor]

%100 they only reason clf kill them are for access but more importantly the fact that they kill just kill people in 1 shot

[hollow vine]

wat

[native adder]

I would, quite simply, like to maybe not be rendered completely and utterly defenseless to any and all threats.

[hollow vine]

threats aren't even killing synths most of the time

huh

[native adder]

Synths already get fucked over on a regular basis

[wispy condor]

Threats arent allowed to attack you unless you are working against them

except for clf which just convert you

[native adder]

And how often do people actually uphold those rules ?

[hollow vine]

you're conflating synths specifically being fucked over with receiving the same treatement as normal roles

just because you died as a synth

[wispy condor]

All the time

[native adder]

Good one

Almost never is the correct answer.

[wispy condor]

I see xenos asking did this synth do anything to threaten the hive every round

[hollow vine]

but also xenos dont evenk kill synthetics in the vast majority of games

[native adder]

I regularly get attacked by Threats out of the blue.

Like genuinely out of the blue.

And it has always been like that.

[wind egret]

Bad positioning

[hollow vine]

just ahelp the people doing it

[wispy condor]

%100

[hollow vine]

just like you tell people to ahelp the bad synths

🙂

[wispy condor]

synths cant rot they wont get rr

[native adder]

I do

That's why I'm telling you dumbasses to ahelp bad synths.

[wispy condor]

we are dumbasses because we think getting rr by one shove or one right click is bad for the game 💀

ok

[hollow vine]

why do people who main overpowered factions in video games cope so hard

when they are subject to being nerfed

it's so weird

[thin moat]

Synths are uh

Not great

Working joes tho?

[native adder]

All of you are literally hinging on 'Let's cripple a role rather than remove the people who abuse the role'

All of this shit you describe is LITERALLY people breaking Synth rules

[wispy condor]

We are crippling a role that can do anything and everything by just not making them feel unfait to intereact with

you still have all of the skill and can HRP whatever you want

[native adder]

I JUST SAID THAT SUCH BEHAVIOUR IS DIRECTLY AGAINST THE SYNTH RULES

[wispy condor]

you just can shove someone once and rr because you feel like it

[native adder]

I SAID IT FIVE SECONDS AGO

[thin moat]

“What if we added superman to the game but gave him a super strict moral code ruleset and a WL”

[hollow vine]

lmfao

[wispy condor]

fr

[native adder]

A Synth who shoves and RRs you LITEREALLY BREAKS THEIR RULES

[wispy condor]

"if you dont agree with me you are a dumbass"

what a terrible agrument

[hollow vine]

i dont even see synths get round removed

[wispy condor]

they cant rot and even if clf kills them they will get revived when they make enough points

[hollow vine]

like you gotta be either the most annoying synth ever

to have it happenign to you

or it's somethign else entirely

either way nerfing synths isn't going to have a surge in people targeting them

[native adder]

Literally nobody mentioned Synths being RR'd.

[hollow vine]

also copaganda comparison

kinda weird

[native adder]

Synths are heavily targeted.

Cops are heavily targeted.

Synths are heavily restricted in self-defense.

Cops are heavily restricted in self-defense.

The parallels are RIGHT there.

Unless of course I'm talking to Americans.

[hollow vine]

there wasn't much extrapolation needed

[wispy condor]

Synths 1 shot people and cant rot
Cops get shot 1 die and get rr

[thin moat]

I love you man but one forum over this is your argument lol

[wispy condor]

ok this is different

[native adder]

Even a CL can pick up a gun with their nonexistent combat skills and defense themselves.

You are straight up arguing for a role to be force-pacified.

[wind egret]

yeah you're a support role

[wispy condor]

We are arguing for a role to not feel awful to interact with

[thin moat]

True because instead of 45/55 split this like a uh 90/10 split

[wispy condor]

yes

see you get it

[native adder]

For the N'th time, Synths who act like combat synths are breaking rules.

[wind egret]

the rules are incredibly vague and wouldnt be acted upon

[native adder]

?????

??????????

[wispy condor]

Medical is an entire sytem this is just MP+ shoving you once and rr becasue they feel like it. Very different

[thin moat]

Tbf the CL literally is the target of basically 60% of the server

Roundstart

[wispy condor]

As they should be

[native adder]

Okay I understand that I am talking to players who don't actually have Whitelist, I get that the perspectives are different.

But my point here is,

[wind egret]

i just think synths should have a weakness

[native adder]

THEY DO

WE LITERALLY CANNOT USE ANY GUNS

AT ALL

[hollow vine]

when your weakness is offset by disgusting strengths

that isnt balance

that is cope incarnate

[thin moat]

Its just not good that the roles general rep is nrp

[wispy condor]

me when i just insult people because they dont agree with me

what a good argument

[native adder]

For the N'th time...again...NRP Synths are actively breaking Synth rules.

[hollow vine]

just like the threat players killing you 🙂

[wispy condor]

Eveyrone belives this except for synth players

[native adder]

Jesus fucking christ...

[hollow vine]

so dying to threats as a synth must not be a real problem aferall right because it's just nrpers doing it

[thin moat]

Is it really on players to constantly take time out of their round to report synths all day though

[wispy condor]

"we cant use guns we can just 1 shot you with a shove or pickaxe"

[thin moat]

Like I don’t feel like being in a ahelp every round for 30 minutes

[wispy condor]

Queen neuro and mass stun felt bad so it got fixed

how is this any different

[native adder]

I sincerely invite you to try and see what it means to be restricted to melee and prohibited from wearing armor PLUS unable to proactively fight when everyone else has a gun.

[hollow vine]

more people abuse synth than queen 🧌

[eternal magnet]

it is

[wispy condor]

you dont get slowed from damage and you just have to melee once I dont understand you argument

[eternal magnet]

doesn't work

[native adder]

Then we need a new admin team.

Simple as.

[eternal magnet]

because the thing people are complaining about isn't a rulebreak

have you

[native adder]

IT IS

[eternal magnet]

read what they're talking about

it isnt

[native adder]

IT LITERALLY FUCKING IS

[hollow vine]

are synthetics not inherently tankier

[woven sonnet]

you a). have increased melee damage, you can 2 shot most of your human threats with a pickaxe. b). have no damage slowdown from being shot
c). have more resistances stacked up to make them tankier than normal people

[hollow vine]

or is it just because they aren't slowed

[eternal magnet]

inlore? no

[hollow vine]

naw in game

[eternal magnet]

ingame? yeah

[wind egret]

i think if a support role is caught out of position they should be punished

[hollow vine]

oh yeah they are

[eternal magnet]

they got crazy damage resist

[hollow vine]

so who cares about armor?

they have stupid resist lol

i figured as much

the armor complaint is very dumb then

[eternal magnet]

its like 0.5

[woven sonnet]

i believe NOX listed the exact damage resist stat

oh.

[eternal magnet]

yeah

its CRAZY damage resist

[thin moat]

Replace synths with working joes

Lowkey

[woven sonnet]

and do remember you are NOT slowed down by armor and can be instantly repaired with a blowtorch

[hollow vine]

oh no, no armor

[wispy condor]

Everytime I rp with a working joe i get a smile

they are the most hrp players on the server and a blessing

[thin moat]

I’ve literally never even thought about attacking a working joe

[woven sonnet]

WJ are like capybaras

if we want a good comparison

[eternal magnet]

its because you are being an obnoxious synthetic

its me

i've attacked you countless times

[woven sonnet]

its me

[eternal magnet]

i am the threat in question

[woven sonnet]

i am the threat attacking you out of the blue

[thin moat]

Working joes are regular birds and synths are like those parasitic birds that lay their eggs in other birds nests

[wispy condor]

so true!!!!

[woven sonnet]

jk i dont play enough threat to actually kill synths

[eternal magnet]

i dont quite get this analogy but if its helping our team sure buddy!

[hollow vine]

true synth players are mocking birds

[woven sonnet]

WJ are good, regular synths are bad

i could find another analogy for you but like

[eternal magnet]

it means you win 2v1s

[woven sonnet]

thats good enough

[eternal magnet]

because synths are just that crazy

[hollow vine]

oh i mean cuckoos

[eternal magnet]

you only win agaisnt synthetics if its 3v1s OR a 2v1 where you ambush it

1v1? not even ambushing you'll win agaisnt a synth

unless they suck

since they can legit just disarm you and tackle you

and then run

[native adder]

Thank you for letting me know then. The message regarding my approach to playing a Synth is clear, it's received, I'm going to not play Synth anymore. Being obnoxious or annoying or anything like that was the opposite of what I tried to do as one, so I'll step away.

It's probably just not the right role for me.

[eternal magnet]

lol??

emmalise let me make it clear what they're complaining about

actually

[woven sonnet]

we are not complaining about you as a person. we are complaining about the stats and abilities of synthetics

[native adder]

No I do understand what everyone is saying, don't get me wrong.

[eternal magnet]

.

read this

this is exactly the main complaint

and this

isnt a rulebreak

synths can do that as per rules

[native adder]

I was strictly and only responding to the information that I am obnoxious as a Synth.

[eternal magnet]

be so real

i wont explain you surely understood it

[woven sonnet]

bffrbsf

[native adder]

We disagree on what Synths should be, I'm not really going to argue that point anymore either.

But I was responding to that specific sentence there.

[woven sonnet]

fids was not calling YOU out by name. you were being lumped into the group of synths that people constantly complain and winge about.

[native adder]

Okay but that still would mean people don't enjoy me as a Synth, among others.

Which to me, means the way I play Synth isn't good.

[eternal magnet]

its not a question of disliking you ??

[native adder]

But that isn't why this thread exists.

And I don't want to hijack it.

I've responded to the sentence I wanted to respond to.

[eternal magnet]

its a question of you walking near the wiped front

and not expecting the queen to say "yeah kill this one with hammers"

if you're walking all alone

on weeds

and near anything sensitive

you WILL get killed

[native adder]

We take the way the guidebook is written differently, that's fine, I am not arguing that you are wrong or anything regarding what I am or am not.

[eternal magnet]

it ISNT wrong dude

thats exacrly what they're complaining about

you CAN do that as per rules

it isnt a matter of synths destroying resin in the front

[native adder]

I am taking at face value that there is frustration with how I play and interpret an HRP role, and making the decision that it's best to step away. That's genuinely all I have been saying these past five minutes.

[eternal magnet]

its a matter of the rifleman besides them getting killed and so they just tank the damage and grab the corpse and leaves

[eternal magnet]

is this bait

[native adder]

Genuinely not.

[humble summit]

I think synths should not combat in any capability

even CLF ones

I think they should be purely support

and shoving is fine

but attacking anything doesn't seem right in my opinion.

I've seen way too many synths

go off with another person

and go attack xenos solo

I've seen some hivedive with a marine

to "protect" them

destroying hiveclusters and stuff. and with the newmed v2 they would be far better off just being support. just my opiniion

[hollow vine]

they should just give me an emp gun and no one else that I can use whenever i feel like it on synths

[humble summit]

this also works

give a gun specifically targeting synths

[grave acorn]

More of a culture/playerbase issue rather than the skills themselves (In relation to combat) imo

Could just take away their CQC5 for starters

[vernal night]

surgery bot

[grave acorn]

That's what they are and should be anyways

[vernal night]

boring

Why is feedback post acting like mald PR mindset bro

every time I look in here

[grave acorn]

I think their skills are fine, and let them have melee 2 to defend against chud backliner xenos, but CQC5 could be removed if it's such an issue

[wispy condor]

that would be a good start

[grave acorn]

yeah but also there isn't much to do anyways

[eternal magnet]

because tackling CLF and cuffing them is really nice gameplay right

[wispy condor]

synth act like better Mps

[grave acorn]

Like idk what you want synths to do rather than be surgery bots

[eternal magnet]

nah remove their melee too

if they get caught by a chud backliner xeno thats their fault

[grave acorn]

true

[wind egret]

so theres this thing called roleplay

[grave acorn]

Im talking mechanically

[wispy condor]

Its a High RP role just go out and rp bro

[grave acorn]

Not RP wise

[vernal night]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531697881971818498/1275912239811133502/ezgif-2-8f7c10e6b5.gif

[wispy condor]

you dont need to be superman to do it

[grave acorn]

Oh yeah absolutely

I like the synth RP

[wind egret]

honestly take away their skills

[grave acorn]

What's the point of them then

[wind egret]

synths will stop being protagonisty when they stop being protagonists

[grave acorn]

Pretty shell with combat restrictions?

[wind egret]

yeah

everything they do is done by other roles in a more fun way

[grave acorn]

Issue is some people don't know how to RP as said roles

That's why we need to ahelp more

[grave acorn]

Their job is to be a master of all trades, i see the reasoning behind taking away their combat skills, but their support skills?

Nah

Just a "fuck you"

[eternal magnet]

synths are meant to be nerdy machines

thats fine

[wind egret]

synths should be able to do everything, they shouldnt do it better then the specialized roles

[grave acorn]

Yeah but we shouldn't make them into useless rolebloat that's just a colonist

[wind egret]

whose one thing is that thing

synths wont roleplay until roleplaying isnt actively throwing the round

[wispy condor]

nobody has issues with the non conbat skills but i think it would be a cool idea for synths to specialize in their loadout section

that should be a synth player poll though

[grave acorn]

As in?

[wispy condor]

engineering, medical, corporate

idk it would add some flare and more rp freedom

[native adder]

If I can, we can already sort-of do that with the ID title selection we get to make as part of the Loadout

If I remember, the idea was to show the human characters what we as players would prefer to focus on

[wispy condor]

yes that would add a lot

[native adder]

But don't take at face value, I might be misremembering.

It's why you sometimes see an Intel or Engineering Synth on GovFor or Admin Synth in colonies

[grave acorn]

as in, if they spec in it, they won't have the other skills?

IE: Med synth gets Surg3 and Med5, but not Engi/Construction 5?

[native adder]

That could get really frustrating to the other roles.

[grave acorn]

Elaborate

[native adder]

In the way that 4x IO does

[eternal magnet]

i am fine with synths having all support skills

they are supposed to plug in gaps on missing roles

[grave acorn]

Agreed

[eternal magnet]

and

its lore-accurate

soooooooooooo

[wispy condor]

No i belive they should have at least a good knowledge of the other skill

but i think it would be cool if you could really specialize in 1 skill but once again i dont play synth and it should be a synth vote

[native adder]

I think it would make Synths frustrating to mental keep track of, for all the other roles

Right now you know what a Synth can and can't do

If their skills could change Synth-to-Synth, it could confuse everyone else

[grave acorn]

Imo, keep all of the support skills, keep their abilities, remove mesons and remove combat skills to dissuade people of using it as a semi-combat role

[inland tree]

Theres already in loadout , you can switch your ID to different jobs as synth, could tie the skills to it

[grave acorn]

Also mesons are supposed to act like the SG/scout sight does in CM, where you can behind walls, but not the entities behind them iirc

either way, fuck em

[edgy talon]

people target synths, and with the MP synth specialization they kinda need the combat skills

i think thats the only reason they still have CQC 5

[native adder]

I've seen it being said that the CQC 5 is there mainly for the shoving

But I can't recall where I saw it said

So take that with a handful of salt

I mean like just overall shoving for all Synths

[edgy talon]

Joes have insane combat power btw lmao

you CAN hack them to CLF

64 damage punch

or close to that

[edgy talon]

CQC only effects shoving, not actual damage

[native adder]

Joes, I think, don't get fragged because most people don't realize how powerful they can be, due to how heavily limited they are.

Synths, if kept same but without CQC, would probably still get fragged due to being omni-supports

[edgy talon]

mhm

[native adder]

Only they wouldn't be able to survive an ambush anymore.

[edgy talon]

Synths are a target fs, imo they need there combat potential

but yes, if people have complaints of a synth

report it

[mild crescent]

I'm always wary of a synth but never a working joe

both icly and oocly

[edgy talon]

Joes are stronger than a synth in everyway too lol

other than medical

and speed

[edgy talon]

most of the time they cant

atleast in my experience

[native adder]

Joes can't do complex things, but are genuinely scarier.

[eternal magnet]

are they

[wispy condor]

Joes are always a blessing to interact with and nobody has issues with them

[grave acorn]

I think the issues we have now are genuinely caused by the fact getting into the whitelist is rather easy, meaning bad actors or people who dont fully understand the role will get in

but also a lack of reporting

[eternal magnet]

isnt a lack of reporting

[edgy talon]

yeah

people will complain in gen chat, and not in a ticket or ahelp

[native adder]

Oh yeah, a Joe will always win a fair match-up against a Synth.

100%

[edgy talon]

yes lmao

[native adder]

Their fists do the damage of the hammer but at the pace that Fists can attack, if I remember correctly.

[edgy talon]

its about 60 or so damage

its a lot

[eternal magnet]

and still no one complaints about joes

[edgy talon]

mostly yeah

its weird.

its a stricter role, but the most HRP role we have

really weird

[native adder]

To be fair, it's hard to antagonize a role that is heavily enforced to be unable to do anything other than super simply robotic tasks.

I've seen admins actively take action against shitter Joes

I'm not sure why the same doesn't happen with shitter Synths.

[edgy talon]

no one reports it

[winged swallow]

probably because joes cant act like condescending assholes to be honest with you

and they're more anonymous so people dont get the extra push of reporting someone they dont like

[native adder]

That is canonical, to be fair. Synths ARE special because they are so perfectly good at being human.

[wispy condor]

The thing with Joes are they are faceless characters ghost roles so people really get into the RP and dont feel connected to them

[edgy talon]

synths arent supposed to either

but it happens A LOT!!

[wispy condor]

happens all the time

I dont think synths should be removed from the game i just dont want them to be able to rr you with a single click

[edgy talon]

CM13 synth rules included something about the behaivor towards other "small quips and jokes are fine, dont be an asshole"

[edgy talon]

synth puched arent THAT lethal

[native adder]

I do want to point out that a condescending Synth makes just as much sense as a condescending Human, it's their whole shtick to be acting near-perfectly human.

The melee is a very valid concern.

[edgy talon]

synths have laws

rules

unlike a human

[native adder]

That's true, but they don't really say anything about personality

A synth can't just willy-nilly refuse orders, there's some specific cases when they can, but they can be condescending while following the order.

Emmalise doesn't vibe with Jerrie and is super condescending with him, but she'll bring the goober his cola if she has nothing else to do.

[edgy talon]

[quote="system, post:1, topic:699"]
Do not antagonize or directly insult faction personnel. Quips, banter and objective statements are fine, outright insults are not.
[/quote]

straight from the CM13 synth rules

[native adder]

Ah, we have our own rules now

A full-on section in the guidebook

[edgy talon]

im aware

im wanting this part readded

as of rn all the synth mains are assholes in character

its left a bad taste in everyones mouth

[native adder]

I'll have to defend Monica here...

If no other Synth.

[edgy talon]

im a synth main myself

[native adder]

But I get the idea of why you want the line added, I do.

[eternal magnet]

they are talking about tackles

[native adder]

I think it was specifically tackle into beatdown.

[eternal magnet]

tackles

[native adder]

If memore serves

[eternal magnet]

a single tackle is enough to RR you

[edgy talon]

which SHOULDNT be happening

[grave acorn]

That whole thing with the CLF inmates is an issue of the gamemode itself imo, not synths

[eternal magnet]

it is very much an issue with synths

[edgy talon]

the prison cells literally cannot hold anyone

[eternal magnet]

the gamemode is all about HvH

and synths are monsters in HvH

you can figure

[grave acorn]

They are to integrate into the environment they are placed, not be repulsive

[edgy talon]

Synths are not a demon on HvH btw

i think your wrong

[eternal magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/409110435900424196/1497596255877202050/caption.gif

lexy

i think there is like

a whole thread disagreeing with you here

and

we are on that thread

right now

[edgy talon]

Synths shouldnt be acting in a fight to start with, the only times ive seen them do so is if can save someone

[eternal magnet]

yes

people

are complaining

EXACTLY about that

[grave acorn]

The fact you sit in a cell for 2 hours and do nothing is NOT a synth issue

A GOVFOR rifleman can do the same shit and the end result will be the same

[edgy talon]

your cant just make them useless in a fight tho

[grave acorn]

Theres just nothing to do when you get captured my GOVFOR

[eternal magnet]

people are not complaining specifically about getting RR'd

and more so about the fact that they get RR'd with a single tackle

[eternal magnet]

you can

synths have really

no much reason to be strong

they would only need to "fend for themselves" in case they are in a dangerous area with no support / allies whatsoever

which

at that point

why are you even there??

[edgy talon]

things happen

people will target you

synths ARE strong

maybe not durable, but strength wise they are

[native adder]

I do implore to keep colony synths in mind too

[eternal magnet]

yes and should get overpowered when it comes to that

[eternal magnet]

i am

they should be victims too

just as any other colonist is

[wispy condor]

all non joes

poor innocent joes

[eternal magnet]

joes are already victims

its fine

[wispy condor]

Joes deserve the world

[hollow vine]

She makes up for it with human Monica

[hollow vine]

I mean they’re a lil extra durable

not even considering how easy it is to repair yourself

[eternal magnet]

they meant inlore

synths arent durable inlore

[hollow vine]

ooooooooooops

[edgy talon]

It isn’t easy to repair yourself

Someone else has to if you don’t want to wait a full minute

Even then that’s for ONE repair

[edgy talon]

Their still more durable than a human

[eternal magnet]

no

they arent

there isnt a single durability feat

but there is a durability antifeat

[hollow vine]

surviving as as a torso

is a feat

[eternal magnet]

yeah still they got decapitated with a single blow from a metal pipe

translating that ingame

they should be able to operate normally when delimbed

[edgy talon]

That was for plot

[eternal magnet]

/ ignore pain / delimb

[eternal magnet]

be honest bro

[edgy talon]

They are (according to other lore sources other than movies) more durable than a human

[eternal magnet]

like what other sources

[edgy talon]

Wikipedia
And the xenopodia

Not much more Durable

But still more

[eternal magnet]

wikipedia?

lexy why the fuck would you cite xenopedia when it straight up denies what you're saying

FRAGILE TO SMALL ARMS FIRE

horrible antifeat

[edgy talon]

Ok? Just mae them as durable as a human and keep the strength

@eternal magnet and allow the use of armor

That’s wild they can’t use armor, especially when their primary law is to stay safe

[eternal magnet]

why do you want them to be durable dude

synths should be easily harassed machines that can provide great support otherwise

[edgy talon]

They already are

[edgy talon]

Cant provide support if you die immediately

You’d be effectively running around with 10 ballistic and 10 strike resist

Even a stray round with do A LOT

[wind egret]

fids just make the PR

[edgy talon]

It’s a Mald PR, wouldn’t be merged

Trust

[inland tree]

They have 50% resist to brute

[edgy talon]

8 mid range Rifle shots to kill them

btw

synths are VERY killable

[hollow vine]

when are the op unfun to play against synthetics being nerfed chat

surelyyyy 5 patches max

[brittle vigil]

i mean

you are lowk assuming all of the synthethics are mechanically gifted players that know the ins and outs of the game and can snipe sprites without failure all the time

the role itself is basically supposed to be like that but not everyone that plays it can play it like that, i would bet if we made a poll majority of synthetic players wouldnt know the trick to "one shotting" still and would default to their hammer when they are asked with what item they can do most dps

also, didnt rules got changed anyways? Shouldn't synthethics prioritize their own self preervation in every situation?

[edgy talon]

thats literally the #1 law

its stayed the same

[quaint spade]

if the issue is players not playing the role correctly, then we might want more clear rules

perhaps examples of what you can and cant do

with rules being clear, you can also enact harsher punishment for breaking them, as there is less space for misunderstanding

[eternal magnet]

again the rules arent being broken this isnt the issue

"just ahelp bad synths" does not work because they are not rulebreaking

[quaint spade]

if that isnt even against the rules thats even worse

change the rules

[edgy talon]

Ive already asked for a few to be added

[twilit elk]

hi i'm a WL'ed player who plays synth, you are being ridiculous

[twilit elk]

bro yes and then when we gibbed the synth we got in trouble

[eternal magnet]

who

[twilit elk]

this was weeks ago

i dont remember

[native adder]

It was a Synth and a single marine Hivediving ??

[twilit elk]

yes 😭

[native adder]

Yeah that..should be against rules.

[eternal magnet]

do you remember anything that was said in ahelp

so i can look up