#CLF *needs* organizational tools

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severe wyvern
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I’ve spectated and played a lot of insurgency rounds and this is the issue i think CLF needs addressed the most.

After cell lead inevitably dies, there is zero direction for the clf, no chain of command - and thus, it just kind of turns into a meandering clusterfuck. This drags out the rounds ad nauseum.

I propose they have the following:
An open ‘squad’ structure with trackers. Cell led assigns squad leads and/or a second in command - establishing their own chain of command for the event of their death. Give them a little chud console for overwatch (cameras can be part of the clf headset functionality, think spy camera on a shirt), maybe with a CLF only announcement functionality. I think these few things will make insurgency significantly better. CLF has all the hard power it needs - but suffers immensely in the ‘soft’ category - logistics, command, organization. That’s where it all goes wrong.

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Now, this isn’t explicitly like a lore backed thing. It’s an insurgent group, whatever. But for gameplay reasons, i think this will help a LOT and pave the way for more organized play when insurgency gets more defined win objectives and whatnot later on.

runic tide
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Please, even having a tracker for the cell lead would be amazing

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Squad system would make life so much easier

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For the cams console it would be soul if they had access to the colony cameras as if they had "tapped in"

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On the topic of organisation, having an announcement system like queen and Xo/Co does would be great too

winged crater
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I've played several rounds now as a join member to CLF and i can confirm that having tracker and structure would greatly help.
99.9% of the time i'm begging people asking Where are you. that question alone is hard to get an answer from. Having trackers would be LOVELY. Sometimes i even ask where our leader is and i get nothing every single round in fact i've begged asking where is our leader? where is our leader? can my leader come to this location? can anyone at all tell me the direction of our leader? and i get no info what so ever no matter how many times i ask. How many times have i asked where my leader was in 1 round if you wonder? over 10 times in 1 round i've asked 1 question and not get a single answer. Since the obvious is other people do not know either just like me.

CLF need better communication and capability to follow their leader otherwise what is the point of having a leader if you don't know who they are or where they are or who to listen to. New players will feel the same and feel extremely confused who should i listen to more? the leader or a random guy i assume or think is the leader because he just happen to talk as well?

I would say that CLF leader should have max 2 CLF Team Leads who speak directly to the leader themselves for information for their squad which saves so much time and effort of questions and worries if 3 people can sit down and talk together as a whole and the teams of those two team leads can get feed back and worries of what they may face and new ideas to use because at the end of the day it all goes down to What will our CLF Leader choose. we follow his lead nobody else's realistically as a RP stand of point however we do also want to hear the opinion of the others as a whole but if we are a lot of people we need a voice structure of leadership otherwise people will just I hear what i like i choose what i like and can very well go against the leaders opinion purely off of the pure fact they simply disagreed with him and choose to do what the other person said. Having leadership ranking position in CLF would be great because that makes people understand ok i can't just do whatever i want i have a leader to follow and i am on their team and we have to work together as a team not as a solo member inside of a team.

glacial salmon
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i will say CLF being disorganized is an intended part of insurgency's flow but i can agree you are just deer in the headlights sometimes

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i think trackers are a bit much though

severe wyvern
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I agree with this, and i’ve seen a bunch of the same. Some CLF treat leader’s orders as optional and there’s near zero way to monitor what they’re actually doing - and doubly, when leader is dead it’s really hard to even know what’s going on or where you should be.

runic tide
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Even if leaders had a unique icon over them would be amazing

winged crater
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just 1 person

glacial salmon
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i think what they need to be able to do is just make plans rather than active comms/organization

winged crater
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and if that 1 person dies

glacial salmon
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paper map

severe wyvern
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Just leader tracker itself would be good enough

limpid root
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Perhaps fireteam numbers without tracker at the very least so you can keep track of other people besides CLF symbol

severe wyvern
limpid root
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Just something

glacial salmon
winged crater
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our main issue is finding our leader.

glacial salmon
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ive seen this done BEFORE

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WITHOUT that

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idk why this hasnt become a thing anymore

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but this used to be very very normal

runic tide
limpid root
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Because cell leaders dont formulate plans like that from fatigue of half the guerillas being amoebas

winged crater
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when i first started playing as CLF join member i thought leaders only could invite you

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that was very wrong.

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anyone can

glacial salmon
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yes

winged crater
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which makes me question

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who is my leader

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i've never seen him once.

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what are we doing

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where are we going

glacial salmon
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i mean heres the thing

winged crater
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like my main issue honestly

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people need to speak up more

glacial salmon
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the cell lead is not meant to be a queen liek figure who dictates everything

winged crater
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but some people do not

runic tide
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Only person i can consistently recognise as leader is Sebastian Wallick because he keeps the ID and stays at base to organise

glacial salmon
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he has the initial order on what they do, where hideotu goews

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but its very much intended

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that he isnt completely central to CLF

winged crater
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i think it just would be nice that i know who my leader is

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instead of running blind into my death not knowing

glacial salmon
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one thing is

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you're not obligated to be loyal to CLF once you join

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if you get told ot join at gunpoint

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you are very much allowed to betray

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magically learning who CLF leader is when you do this will be an issue in the future

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insurgency is player freedom central which includes clf membership

winged crater
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that i did not know about the CLF that you can just force people into joining your cause.

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that makes trusting people so much worse.

glacial salmon
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you can but..there can be consequences godo

glacial salmon
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i will say its rare though nowadays

winged crater
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i will say i do like that idea

glacial salmon
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just like CLF making plans

winged crater
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but it will suck really bad if they get punished that is for sure

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i think if anything

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then my major issue is knowing my leader

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since i've experianced times where leader speaks and a non leader speak

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and we do the non-leaders idea

glacial salmon
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i know @humble mesa is a govfor main but id like their ideas on this bcs theyve played CLF back in OLD clf culture during old CMU and organized really good CLF plans

winged crater
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beacuse it simply sounded better

glacial salmon
winged crater
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i feel that the CLF leaders word should be final

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why have a leader if everyone is leader

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is my issue

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anyone can say anything

severe wyvern
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i do see the theory of it like being decentralized

glacial salmon
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i think CLF hideout is missing more tools for organization

severe wyvern
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but the gameplay ramifications thus far have been not the best?

glacial salmon
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but i dislike CLF having organization tools outside of it

severe wyvern
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some people really do just tune out and go rogue

glacial salmon
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the fact CLF is chaotic with no trackers is part of the chaos
what i think is missing is being able to use a hideout as a ghetto cic basically

severe wyvern
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any sort of higher planning would be a net improvement

winged crater
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what if CLF had a turret they can place in their base?

glacial salmon
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no map of any sort is sorta brutal

winged crater
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just 1 turret

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don't gotta be strong

civic basin
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when i was brainstorming alternative insurgent factions an idea i had was the depending on the faction, they should have more or less organizational tools

winged crater
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just anything really to protect it

glacial salmon
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nah turrets are always insane LOL

winged crater
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at least inside that is not movable

glacial salmon
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ok look i will say

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if you lose in the hideout and its NOT because of CAS

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youre just bad

civic basin
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the clf by being cell based and pretty backwater, should not be as organized

glacial salmon
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ive seen SUCCESSFUL hideout defenses

winged crater
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just coming up with ideas however

glacial salmon
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you just need to properly set it up

winged crater
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but yes a good CLF can hide their base

glacial salmon
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M2C usage in base defense has died solely due to the fact barkers and stable garrison are our popular insurgency map

winged crater
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but i do feel as if CLF is missing something

severe wyvern
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and it just drags out

glacial salmon
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barkers is dogshit for CLF in general

severe wyvern
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to nobody’s benefit

glacial salmon
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stable has REALLY SHIT hideouts

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changing with multiZ ofc

runic tide
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I really dont know why we always have barkers insurgency

glacial salmon
civic basin
glacial salmon
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but i wont lie

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clf have been skill issuing plans-wise recently

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i havent seen anyone plan fun crazy shit

severe wyvern
glacial salmon
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people used to plan GOVFOR base raids and then take over GOVFOR base

civic basin
glacial salmon
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as they caused colony incidents

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to get the patrol team out

severe wyvern
civic basin
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(Govfor can no longer take out the mic)

severe wyvern
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it’s definitely a step in the right direction

civic basin
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its a long list rn lol

glacial salmon
civic basin
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still with that id honestly say secured comms are the only thing the clf NEED

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organizational wise

glacial salmon
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i can support clf secured comms

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govfor shouldnt need it or use it to win

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rather informants should be the way if they want to spy on clf

severe wyvern
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informants is soul

civic basin
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sigh…

glacial salmon
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ok actually

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spy GOVFOR kit would be hilarious LOL

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UPP ahh kit

sudden spire
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the most evil thing about clf hideout is the fact that you can see it on the tacmap

winged crater
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i will say majority of issues of CLF is unplanned stuff because people do not plan together well enough as a team
So since they are unaware people are planning something some random guy will just go grab a gun and go killing people bringing em back to base and then alert is already high as shit and then you can't turn back time it's too late. so your plan is just fucked.

Mostly sabotage of your own is an issue.

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sometimes you can't come to meetings because of rp issues

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or being held up by someone

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so you miss it all

glacial salmon
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but multiZ can fix this

civic basin
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thats why smarter comms usage is a must

glacial salmon
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via sewer underground z level

sudden spire
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like for some fuckass reason all of the maps dont cover it up

civic basin
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Every clf sweep is cause of good coordination

glacial salmon
severe wyvern
winged crater
severe wyvern
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you pretty much have to hope Young IO McFragalot does not meta hideout instantly

winged crater
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and so many come with random ideas and nobody knows which to follow

civic basin
glacial salmon
winged crater
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so half do everything

glacial salmon
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rather than just

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being on the map

sudden spire
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sensors being a thing is

severe wyvern
civic basin
sudden spire
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ic

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all it does is track biosignatures

winged crater
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each time i see the sensors i just rp that i do not know

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i shouldn't either.

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it's not something a common colonist should know

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military? yes sure they can know

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but me a bum living in here seeing a random tower being built?

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for all i care it would be my WIFI

glacial salmon
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just say 5g bro.

sudden spire
glacial salmon
winged crater
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and if it announces

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and say like 10

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i'm prob gonna cheer loud saying BRO I GOT SPEED OF LIGHT WIFI

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then die horrible

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or some shit

sudden spire
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i feel like instead of standard sensors and telecomms there should be something like radio towers

severe wyvern
sudden spire
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make the colony infrastructure actually believable

lost yarrow
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pretend clf announcement is just an SMS through phones or smthn real

rustic raven
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half the time I genuinely don't know who is our leader

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I'm lying

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it's all the time, baby

civic basin
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true they need a unique name in the radio, most of the time im following them based on vibes and aura

rustic raven
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I'll just start saying shit sometimes and people follow me and think I'm commander and I just become the cell leader

lost yarrow
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OH peak

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i was going to say

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when someone's recruited by someone else that isn't leader, i think them not knowing is reasonable

the leader should be introduced by the recruiter themselves and imo, realistically, a new small terror cell wouldn't trust new recruits enough to tell them the real name of their leaders

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so they'd be introduced by a codename or smthn but idk how that'd work

civic basin