Medical V2

[stable star]

I mean it made sense though

But also it wouldn’t fit here

[lyric sphinx]

Lets just port neurotrauma already

Lets port the dwarf fortress limb system too

[stable star]

Like I just don’t feel medical v2 fit well

[lyric sphinx]

You hit xenomorph

In left hand>pinkie finger

And the severed part flies off in an arc!

[fair moon]

It was scary as shit to learn but so easy once you did

[stable star]

I loved the complexity of Eris med

But it fit the server

[fair moon]

I'm not judging anyone for being overwhealmed by it

I'm judging people for giving up

withought even attempting to learn it

[lyric sphinx]

What if we just made tiers of tools

So dumb people can use some mild topicals and medbay can use the smart topical thingies

The people want ointment

[fair moon]

we just make a single tool that does everything

and remove all of the old tools

[stable star]

We need a pharmacist role

[fair moon]

We do its called pharmacist

in your loadout

[stable star]

Yeah but like real

And he has a fancy icon and jacket

[fair moon]

Its real you can rp as a pharmacist

[stable star]

And talks about how much money he makes

I think a mix of v1 and v2 is needed

[fair moon]

I think making it so you needed multiple meds to heal 1 wound was too much

but they removed that

[lyric sphinx]

The people crave dwarf fortress

[fair moon]

whatever was on last night was perfect

[stable star]

Last night is different than today?

[fair moon]

Today is not chipmed v2

today is babymed

[lyric sphinx]

Babymed is genuinely so fucking boring dude

[fair moon]

yes

[stable star]

Oh then I liked last night I have played no current rounds med

[lyric sphinx]

I actually dont feel like playing

[fair moon]

I refuse to play medical roles anymore

[stable star]

Last night was a good spot for me as CT

[fair moon]

Babymed is the equivalent of losing being able to see where you are building as a ct

[lyric sphinx]

Man i was actually so pumped to play v2 today

Ughh

[fair moon]

should have been on last night the shiva round was peak

[lyric sphinx]

Sad

[stable star]

So is it just v1 again or?

[fair moon]

play it next round

[stable star]

I’m at work dawg

I’ll know tonight though

[fair moon]

you're lucky you dont have to play it then

its the equivalent of Ct only having metal cades and not being able to make walls also no folding cades

[lyric sphinx]

No its worde

You click once

With 1 kit

And it heals most of your wounds

[stable star]

Why ain’t it just v1 again?

[fair moon]

Tom must love it

[lyric sphinx]

No

Its easier

Than v1

[fair moon]

V1 took forever to heal with no cognitive function

[stable star]

I liked last night I’ll say that

[fair moon]

now its takes a single second with no cognitive funtion

[lyric sphinx]

Because in v1 you had 17 fractures to compensate being piss easy to heal people

[lyric sphinx]

Also no bandages

Its back to ifak and kits

[fair moon]

back to mega slop

[stable star]

Corpsmen circlejerk convo

Its chill but its funny

[lyric sphinx]

It went from too hard to too easy

Hmm

What would be the middle ground

Between v2 and v1

[fair moon]

Last night was the middle ground

[stable star]

Last night was middle-ish no?

I didn’t have issues with it

[fair moon]

instead of 4 gauzes to heal 1 wound you only need 1 but you need the right type

[lyric sphinx]

WHAT

AND THEY STILL MALDED?

[fair moon]

yes

[lyric sphinx]

OH MY DAYS

[fair moon]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-perfect-gif-15232884745301549452

yeah because people refuse to try things out and instead complain

I agree that 4 gauzes to fix one wound was not enjoyable

and that inspecting people should be faster for medics

[stable star]

I feel like the way you guys defend your stance is not good

[fair moon]

and all that was changed

[fair moon]

Our job loop that we enjoyed was changed so much even after we won the "we like new med vote" because the majority who don't play it refused to learn

even after the middle ground was met to make it much friendlier and easier

[lyric sphinx]

Im sad because i was waitin till the weekend to have some fun with v2

But now we got babymed

So im turning sadness into anger

As a coping mechanism

[placid nacelle]

"but what about the medics who learned the system but still didn't like it-

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-jim-carrey-dumb-and-dumber-jim-carrey-i-don't-hear-you-gif-9558280472791987858

summarizing the last couple hours of this channel

[lyric sphinx]

Too bad?

I mean, you want me to nurse you?

Im gonna be real

Too bad

If you cant figure out 4 bandages

Thats a SKILL ISSUE

[placid nacelle]

Case in point

You're not reading

[fair moon]

Tom wants the game to be simplified to the point where it plays itself

[lyric sphinx]

Mate ite 4 bandages for superficial wounds

Ita easier than the 10 gels

It cant get any easier without just reverting back to pre-med for rfn

[woeful monolith]

Make it so that you target the actual limbs to heal using the numberpads like cm13

[lyric sphinx]

I played cm13 recently and

Gotta say, thats actually kind of annoying

Instead of immersive

[stable star]

Lowkey what medical should look like

Half of the head tab in Eris

Other half

[haughty fiber]

Wasn’t the medical vote in favor of keeping it as is

[haughty fiber]

Go larp in the stables pharmacy that no one ever goes too

Actually one of the most unused areas

[tame flint]

Pharmacist is just a chemist...

[haughty fiber]

No vision tbh

And it wasn’t even my idea

[frail forge]

Chip is it possible to add like

skipping

to surgical steps

rn

[tame flint]

i think you just abandon

[frail forge]

no no no

skipping is a functionality from cm13 surgery

that I want

[tame flint]

so like, you skip a step?

for what?

[frail forge]

you can skip steps to lose extra blood for faster surgeries

[tame flint]

oh

[frail forge]

like its scalp hemo retractor you can just scalp skip skip and just use your hand to instantly open the wound area

[tame flint]

i mean abandon technically does that too, i dont think not closing (other than bleeding) has any real impact

[frail forge]

or you can remove the larva with your hand

which is faster but does burn damage

lots of burn damage

[tame flint]

i think that should at least carry a chance of the larva just taking off your arm

[frail forge]

boring

and unrealistic for a undeveloped alien fuck to do that

we're also missing IMS rn

we're not parity but IMS being a tool for doctors

could be cool

[tame flint]

IMS?

[frail forge]

Insicion management system

the researchers can make them in 13 basicly it does 3 steps at once while opening the patient

without the penalty of skipping

etc etc I really want skipping and IMS... They are really awesome

[tame flint]

I see

I like IMS

but is skipping's only consequence bloodloss?

bloodloss rn is trivial as fuck

[frail forge]

no

[tame flint]

and idk how you can "skip" cutting open the ribcage

[frail forge]

I don't feel like going through

every single thing

thats why I wrote a "example"

you can break the chest instantly to open it up by skipping saw causing fracture aswell

example fastest larva surgery is
Scalp Skip skip
Bone saw crush ribcage by punching it(Fracture) + Use your hands to open the wound (IB)
use your hands to remove the larva(burn + Eschar)

etc etc

[tame flint]

[frail forge]

it just gets the job done FAST but also leaves a mess

as intended

[tame flint]

i dont dislike it

👍

[true flame]

i also felt like the slightly recolored sprites added to the "you need to carry ten hundred of these things, the only reason is because they do a slightly different thing"

[versed ruin]

this.

[frail forge]

if it was

like ACE

you would like get a big human sprite with colors on that you can hover over to see what to use etc

and you just use like the trauma foam itself without turning it to dressing

it could be lot more fun

and intractive

[frail forge]

Chip

if you full heal someone and they have a bleeding you can't fix the bleeding

nor the limbs

also suturing does more healing than the brute kits when used? Because it heals the limbs faster but does not get rid of brute damage in sameway you end up with a guy that has like 350 brute that you have to epi-revive through

[plush mica]

it’s like watching 9/11 all over again

[next mesa]

heads up

you can bypass the like pain blur

by looking up

[drowsy dirge]

splitting hemostatic gauze turns the split gauze into medical gauze

[weary drum]

Removing shrapnel should be one action that automatically makes you start removing all shrapnel, instead of having to context menu click over and over until its all gone.

[next mesa]

also need a visual indicator for having shrapnel in you like cm

[peak forum]

rip acemed

it was a nice system once you got around it with the adequate/optimal healing

[fair moon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993653869664010320/1512899170397061283/caption.gif?ex=6a25c4a6&is=6a247326&hm=7b11ebde6e16c7e6e42b5b01cd91a0088d117fadfa314f045304165e0e442a6c&

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/depressed-depression-sad-goth-girl-gif-12039095466917497799

[versed vine]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-my-life-gleep-glorp-shitty-life-depressed-alien-gif-5095639538306027973

[uneven epoch]

remove the pain eyedeath that it give soyu

🙏

[placid nacelle]

Yeah I've noticed a single eschar gives you wobbly vision even if you're otherwise 100%. And a single trapper boiler shot causes like 3 eschars lol

At least they're fast to remove

[tame flint]

👍

the current newmed "Purgatory" edition feels... meh at best for the doctor, and terrible for the patient too. I can spam trauma or burn kits on someone without delay and insta-heal all their injuries, and then proceed to spend time waiting and doing nothing for them to be healed enough so I can discharge them. This is repetitive and boring, not to mention this is in conjunction with chems. Without chems, a marine can easily sit for half a minute slowly waiting for their health to go back up (in which they can be critted very easily in combat situations). With chems (another system that feels rough), it goes to "slightly" tolerable in terms of gameplay.

If the patients are dead, I do the same thing, check with analyzer, and see 350+ damage, in which case I spam epinephrine, burn/trauma, and defib them 2-3 times, sometimes up to 5+ times until they resuscitate. For the patient, it feels like stubbing their toe requires painkillers or else their vision gets FUBARed, which, vision effects is one of the LEAST enjoyable things in this game. I would very much rather take a slowness hit than a vision impairment. Not to mention, lack of blood already causes dizziness, but with pain added onto that, its practically unplayable.

I know that this current medver is meant tide us over until V3 (or a refixed V2) (I hope)

but its uh... its really rough out here 😭

[fair moon]

true bring back v2 withought wounds need more than 1 item to heal

[tame flint]

Not to mention

if a patient comes in with a vision problem, I have to guess whether or not its blood or pain I have to deal with, and in a packed med bay, its rough having to fish out the analyzer just to confirm

Ik the emotes tell us too

but i think 1 vision altering thing is enough

[next mesa]

ok as a govfor riflemain

i have to agree our current system is a bit too simple

i kinda just gauze everything up to being fine

the only type of wound which feels rough is charred tissue

everything else isbgauze spam

also no clear use for TQs yet

[true flame]

i poked TQs around and they seem to stop bleedings

its free real estate

[next mesa]

the issue is

gauze works instantly now

defeating the point of TQ

[true flame]

yeah

[frail forge]

using kits are selling rn

if you don't suture they don't heal brute and burn

and you just can't suture after the limbs are healed with kits

making you unable to use passive healing while healing people

which sucks

• passive healing is slow as hell even if you use 10 kits to fully heall all limbs and shi

I like how CM does it where it also heals brute and burn aswell

so like it basicly feels like corpsman is locking you out of healing with sutures

[naive haven]

Painkiller blindness is way too intense and happens way too often

Please reduce it

[next mesa]

it happens often because charred tissue makes it kick in rlllly fast its insane

[naive haven]

Yeah Im getting charred burns so fucking quick

[next mesa]

theyre easy to clear but my god

ointment is lowkey a must carry now

[drowsy dirge]

honestly

can we ditch this whole newmed2 thing and go back to newmed1

in its current state i tourniquet all of my limbs, fill my pockets and webbing with trico, tramadol, ointment and gauze, spam click myself with gauze and ointment when i get hit, use trico, and basically repeat the process throughout the game

if you don't get mauled by queen or a ravager you can just comeback to full optimal condition and you won't need any corpsman or synthethic or doctor

[woeful monolith]

Alright, i'll say this though.
The current state of medical is in such a finicky situation, where the marines get constantly blinded due to blood loss or painkiller blindness. Causing frustration.

I can't, for the life of god, get into a combat encounter without being blind for thirty seconds afterwards. (Instant bandages are nice, yes, but in CM13 they were kinda balanced out where you had to inspect your wounds and THEN click on the limb that is damaged to bandage it.)
Overall, you gotta be on painkillers most of the time to even be effective.

Also, more text feedback would be nice in the chatbar.

"You feel your shattered bones jostle around."
"You feel light-headed, and dizzy."

I do miss alt-click to inspect wounds

that was awesome

But, it should be instant, and only surface level.

Scanner determines EVERYTHING wrong.

[tall vault]

been ditching the 2 tqs and extra splint in IFAK to swap it with an ointment, extra gauze, extra tric/trama pill

[drowsy dirge]

scanner wont tell you much if you have no medical skill

and only 1-2 is not enough to know everything

from what i remember even corpsman cant even see IB or fractures on chest and head if there is any

[abstract bear]

Corpsman can actually

[placid nacelle]

They can and they're easy to fix. We even had our surgical kit buffed recently to include both a proper bone saw and bone gel.

I pretty much never use suture or synth graft now which is a shame; I feel they were better balanced in newmedv1. You'd use synth line/graft if you had time and weren't under a lot of pressure, you'd use trauma/burn kits if you needed to heal fast but they were limited, and you'd add meds on top of that if they were really fucked

[acoustic crow]

ngl i feel like kits healing while the person is dead is insanely busted, for example a person had died and 3 seconds after they died i just walked up to them and spammed 4 kits in less than a second, the result is they instantly start to heal and by the time they are revived they will have max hp, i find this way of healing to be very stupid. i prefered it when you had to take time with each patient since you needed to suture and graft them but now you only need to spam kits

[tame flint]

its busted in that its extremely easy to do, but also terrible to play with since the healing is so damn slow

and when a patient comes in with 350+ damage

the only way to "fix" is to wait, epi, defib, and cpr

and hope they dont rot

last round had a prisoner with 650+ damage, and that took 4+ defibs

[acoustic crow]

spam kits on them and they instantly start healing all you need to do is just then time well your cpr and you will be fine

[tame flint]

yes but the issue is that its slow

and insanely boring

[acoustic crow]

yep

as doctor it is boring to just go around spamming click with kits

and magicaly everyone becomes good

[tame flint]

its just not a good system atm, but its also a transitionary system for V3 so im not gonna complain too much

[fair moon]

You can just turn your brain off now as a doctor

[acoustic crow]

there is a v3 coming to??

[acoustic crow]

ye

only brain function you need is roundstart

to make some basic pills

[fair moon]

exactly

[tame flint]

I remember chip saying something about this newmed version is purposefully not great because hes working on the next versio

[acoustic crow]

then pack 300 blank kits 150 brute ointments and 150 burn

[tame flint]

this newmed is only tolerable because of chems vro 😭

without chems I think i genuinely might have to play threats

[fair moon]

One day we will get ChipMedV2 back surely

[tame flint]

surely...

[frail forge]

so like if someone has high damage and you brute or burn kit it they are just gone

you can't suture anymore

can we make it so you're forced to atleast suture first before applying kits for pain

otherwise you lock yourself out of actully reviving people

also if the hit delimbs a part It does not register damage

to the body

might be because it just delimbs before trying to apply the damage so it just tries to apply damage to a missing limb

we need a epi buff...

[zealous topaz]

I solved med

This is cut because the full thing is too big to be readable, but I call it "The Final Cure" or FC for short

[ruby marsh]

so

how

can this be administered

is my question

[frail forge]

Cardio

does not have defib comp working

so it will not start the heart again

possibly a bug

report it

I have tried administering to dead people to see if heart will start pumping again

[zealous topaz]

You need 4 pills

To fit all the chems

Takes a few seconds to fully administer

[zealous topaz]

It has a 1/20 chance

You sure you just not unlucky?

Oh nvm I can't read

[frail forge]

we literally tested it in admin room

[zealous topaz]

rip

[frail forge]

it needs fixes till cardio actully revives people up

possibly a single line change iirc

[zealous topaz]

Though you gotta admit that the idea of "Final Cure" is funny right

[frail forge]

idea is cool but does it avoid making black sludge

I wonder about that

[zealous topaz]

What is black sludge?

I made it

In a round

With no problems

The full package

[frail forge]

I see

well if you try making GC or something akin it turns into black sludge

[tall marten]

Hahahahaha that rules

[zealous topaz]

Well I guess this chem mix abomination doesn't trigger it because it doesn't have bic or dylo?

It has tric and dexalin plus but it doesn't have any of the other components of GC

[frail forge]

I guess the scope of the black sludge PR wasnt ready to cover the organ stuff

[zealous topaz]

Well not even that, this is the full list of chems and you will notice only like 30% is actually organ stuff

The rest is just regular chems

How even is black sludge implemented?

I gotta find the PR

[frail forge]

https://github.com/AU-14/ColonialMarinesUniverse/pull/958

[zealous topaz]

Oh that is really basic

"Converts every (quantized) 16u of Bicaridine, Meralyne, Kelotane, and Dermaline into 64u Black Sludge."

Literally just stops you from making GC

But thats about it

Though honestly just removing the kelotane would still give you lots of overkill healing and not trigger black sludge

[modest hill]

When is newmed v2 coming back or is it gonna be in the lost and found category

[ruby marsh]

@crisp swallow for cardiocane the 5% is per unit?

[zealous topaz]

It’s per 0.1 units I believe

0.1 is consumed per second

[ruby marsh]

i injected like 50 units into a dead guy

he aint coming up

[zealous topaz]

And then it is meant to have a 5% chance to restart a heart per tick

It’s bugged currently

[zealous topaz]

Wait did you actually make this 😭

If so you have my respect because ts is a pain in the ass to make

[tame flint]

i havent had it work yet...

[tame flint]

GC? (black goo right?)

[zealous topaz]

It still fixes the heart though

[ruby marsh]

yes i did

~10 minutes

you need to add imidozaline

[tame flint]

Do you think you can decrease the organ meds to just 1u?

[ruby marsh]

wait

you did

[zealous topaz]

Yeah I did

Though I personally would modify it to remove improvaline until you only have 60 units

[ruby marsh]

i modified it to carry 30 dex instead of 30 inap

inap is evil

[tame flint]

why dex?

Dex+ fixes instantly

[ruby marsh]

because of IBs

if they are low on blood dex fixes it instantly yes

but only for the first second

after that oxygen damages keeps being delt when the lungs heart are heavily damaged or no blood

[tame flint]

then it's easier if you replaced it with 30 iron no? Iron completely negates IBs

but i get what you mean if you want one pill to fix everything

and not have to worry about them later

[zealous topaz]

That’s why there’s 3 units of pulmovine

[ruby marsh]

it dosent heal oxygen damage

[tame flint]

ik

[zealous topaz]

The overkill is intentional

On the organ healing meds

[ruby marsh]

the point is we want something there to nnegate the o2 damage

[tame flint]

im saying that Ibs can be negated by iron, and oxy damage can be fixed at a later time. but if your making a 1pill fix all, i can see where the regular dex comes from

[zealous topaz]

Doesn’t the improvaline or dex plus do that?

[ruby marsh]

the inap only works in crit dex plus only has like .1 of it so its gone instantly

[tame flint]

waiting on the day people actually come in with organ injuries that matter 😭

[ruby marsh]

you use the dex+ first to clear up any damage

[zealous topaz]

Or actually the tric also heals oxy

[tame flint]

tric also clears oxy damage

[zealous topaz]

And if someone has more than 90 oxy

[tame flint]

thats why people should be adding Tric to MB and KD

[ruby marsh]

very inefficently yes

dexalin is really useful

start carrying it more

you will run out of dex+ very quickly

im saying this as a person who has like 750+ hours in med

regular dex is super useful

[zealous topaz]

The issue is that if you had dexalin to the cocktail it adds potential to react with shit

[tame flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1194704876752617576.png?size=64&quality=lossless&1

[zealous topaz]

The reason why FC has all really advanced chems

Is because if it doesn’t than all the shit would react with itself

And cause a mess

[tame flint]

iirc epi reacts with something to make cardiocane

[ruby marsh]

like

[tame flint]

and thats a pain in the ass too

[zealous topaz]

Dylo specifically is a nightmare

That shit reacts with like everything

[ruby marsh]

jack i added replaced inap with dex and nothing happened

[zealous topaz]

Oh in that case that can be fine too

So to sum it up, add like 30 units of iron to pause internal bleeding, replace inap with dex?

[tame flint]

sounds about right

[ruby marsh]

yes

[tame flint]

Lepo can also go too

[ruby marsh]

IRON AND NUTRIMENT

[zealous topaz]

Nah it’s meant to be a cure all

And if you get hypothermia

[ruby marsh]

nutriment is great at restoring blood

[zealous topaz]

Oh wait yeah that’s peak

I was wondering how to fix blood loss chemically

[tame flint]

the issue is that rn everyones hot as fuck (60+dg)

basically everywheres sweltering

[ruby marsh]

the problem with FC is that its hell to administer

[tame flint]

and it doesnt tic burn

[ruby marsh]

you have to turn it into pill form

[zealous topaz]

Yeah FC requires 4 pills

[fast monolith]

231 unit injection
that's almost full bloodbag, bro. Also, 60 inap is overkill

[ruby marsh]

you cant make it to be JUST 4 pills

[fast monolith]

and yea, no iron/nutri for blood

[ruby marsh]

wait

you can.

son im stupid

[zealous topaz]

All good

Yeah FC is a pain in the ass to administer but honestly 4 pills isn’t awful

I think that’s probably gonna be the best way

Unless you want them to chug down a janitorial bucket 😭

[fast monolith]

drinking limit is 50u in one go

[tame flint]

its just barely less than MBT, KDT, OXYD, and Iron+/Ironutriment+

• whatever else

lmao

[zealous topaz]

The main benefit is you get literally everything

[tame flint]

yea

[zealous topaz]

Though we need to add nutrimeat your right

[tame flint]

i hope organ damage becomes more prominent once the newnewmed gets in

[tame flint]

also saving a buncha backpack slots

rn organ damage you can fix with surg (since usually if they have organ damage, they have IB/fracs that require you to go in anyway)

[zealous topaz]

Yeah but some organ damages are really tedious

Imo the less surgery the better

[tame flint]

I dont mind it

[fast monolith]

tbh i think it's better to separate organ and damage carts, tweak add blood recovery chems and replace inap with dex, but i cannot really see this work beyond pills
i want to try something similar with bloodbags and syringes, since they are real effective storage-wise

[zealous topaz]

Yeah until you get 10 dead dudes dropped in with severe organ damage and have to operate on all of them 😭

[fast monolith]

and pills are doctor/synth territory only, hc can mix bloodbags themself

[zealous topaz]

the main reason why I even had the demonic idea that is FC is that I realized as med between patients I was siting around with nothing to do

[ruby marsh]

xxlmfao

[zealous topaz]

And I realized if I could use that time to save myself time later when I inevitably got a hundred patients dumped on my ass

In like one minute

It would be good

[ruby marsh]

the problem with fc

is you can only administer 1 pill

[zealous topaz]

Yeah at a time

[ruby marsh]

it blocks you

[zealous topaz]

You need like a solid 4 seconds to administer the full payload

[tame flint]

truke! but there havent been too much bodies these days, not compared to newmed V2 at least. theyre either rotted or fixed groundside so I never see them

[ruby marsh]

10

i just tried it

[tame flint]

i just want them to add SALINE and TRANEXAMIC already

[fast monolith]

speaking of, why epi in the mix?

[tame flint]

dead person

[zealous topaz]

Meant to sunergize with the cardiociane

[fast monolith]

no shot you want to jam a dead dude with 4 pills and then defib

[tame flint]

wait true

[fast monolith]

cardio isn't defib i think

[tame flint]

no, epi is defib

oh

[zealous topaz]

Cardiocaine is bugged rn

[tame flint]

yea

[zealous topaz]

But it’s meant to be defib

[ruby marsh]

honestly in its current form

FC

[fast monolith]

have you checked the code?

[ruby marsh]

it isnt bad

however

[zealous topaz]

Though it has a few areas of improvement

[ruby marsh]

what i would do is put all the organ meds into 1 pill container, put all the bloodloss into another, and make KBT and MBT

that way you only have to work with 4

its more chemically friendly

[fast monolith]

cause if cardio doesn't use defibrillator component or something, which would be shared for the epi check, it won't get triggered

how did you figure out the ratios of chems by the way?

[ruby marsh]

guess

[zealous topaz]

I just went one below the overdose limit

[frail forge]

Possibly the most optimal way to produce and OD stuff

[zealous topaz]

Or maximum practical amount

[weary drum]

Time to get to work sluding it smh

[zealous topaz]

And multiples of 2 and 3

[ruby marsh]

TROY NO

[frail forge]

The dislike for chemistry is crazy bro

[zealous topaz]

Cmon it’s really funny though

[tame flint]

right

[next mesa]

thank you

[zealous topaz]

And so impractical anyway

[frail forge]

pill that takes 50 minutes to make shouldn't be possible

[zealous topaz]

Like it’s a meme anyway

Let us have it

[next mesa]

sorry but people will figure out meta'ing it to being possible

[zealous topaz]

No you don’t get it

One dose is 240 UNITS

[weary drum]

Memes? In CMU?

[zealous topaz]

MINIMUM

[weary drum]

No fun is allowed here bucko.

Fun is LRP slop.

[zealous topaz]

Without iron and bloodloss

[tame flint]

troy when can we have saline 🙁

[zealous topaz]

Actually perfect FC would be like 300 units

FOR ONE USABLE DOSE

[weary drum]

I had a plan to add saline and make blood bags expire when not refrigerated.

But I never got around to it

[zealous topaz]

It’s just not practical to give to more than one or two people

[tame flint]

and tranexamic acid...?

[weary drum]

TXA would be fire

[frail forge]

I feel like troy is intentionally doing these to lower the player count to gold standard

[tame flint]

minor chemfriend win

[frail forge]

[weary drum]

CMU has always been a bit more hardcore than CM13 and RMC smh

[zealous topaz]

Yeah honestly FC requiring 300 units of chems to be administered is already enough of a nerf 😭

[weary drum]

If I had my way we would just have KAT medical

[zealous topaz]

Just concocting ts in any level of mass production is a nightmare

[tame flint]

just thinking about how this would work- would there be freezer bags? Or do corpsmen just have to lug around refrigerators?

[weary drum]

Corpsmen would carry saline and whole blood would be reserved for medical facilities. FOB medical tents would spawn with freezers in them.

[zealous topaz]

Just don’t add bigger containers and FC will probably not be meta anytime soon

[weary drum]

The non-folding IV stands would refrigerate blood but be extremely difficult to move around.

[tame flint]

i presume blood would actually replenish blood faster then

[weary drum]

I still need to get around to making open containers spill if put in your inventory.

[zealous topaz]

Saline solution irl is just there to prevent you from going into shock from blood pressure drop

[frail forge]

I'm okey to all changes tbh as long as they reward people to be smart and have stuff ready with them

[weary drum]

Yes and you would be able to see what percentage of their blood was saline, if it goes above a certain percentage you start taking oxygen damage.

[frail forge]

like imagine Corpsman carrying a small cold fridge

that would be peak

for blood

[weary drum]

And you'd fix that with dialysis

Iron pills wouldn't produce blood at a crazy rate anymore, so it'd put an emphasis on keeping an MSR open to the frontline.

[tame flint]

now im waiting for the SL to yell "LET THE ICE CREAM MAN THROUGH" as the corpsman passes

[frail forge]

Peak?
yes?

Yes but yellow

[weary drum]

My idea is that you wouldn't be able to have mobile refrigerated blood, so having an MSR open and transporting supplies would be important.

Medivac (via dropship or to rearline) would also be more useful now.

[frail forge]

Hmm

but I still feel like EPI should also be stronger

aswell

[weary drum]

The issue is that this requires a LOT higher pop.

[zealous topaz]

Dw we are getting there

[tame flint]

troy can you add a chem OD that just lights you on fire. I want to make spontaneous combustion pills

[frail forge]

geniuenely I don't think the reward for utilizing a chemical while reviving is bit too low right now with how much the playerbase tries to mutilate bodies

in gamemodes

[weary drum]

When we get 200+ player pop consistently I have plans to add an entire rearline mechanic with designated field logistics teams and stuff, but thats a far way away.

We'll be more milsim adjacent.

[tame flint]

yea it feels like nobody uses medevac even though its set up, even when the medevac stretchers are laid there...

[weary drum]

Well, the issue right now is everything can just be treated on the frontline, which is fine until we get higher pop.

But when we have 150+ GOVFOR, having to extract people for wounds becomes more viable and less round destroying.

[zealous topaz]

Though honestly FC with the current game requiring like 5 minutes of effort per dose is pretty balanced imo

[tame flint]

650 damage prisoner 😭, 1000+ damage marine

[frail forge]

yeah.

cardio requires their attempt defib stuff aswell

to be true

it has the comp but does not function

[weary drum]

I can't wait until we have the pop to start doing arma esque maps.

[tame flint]

also, troy, make space cleaner makeable!

[weary drum]

Everon sized maps is something I wanna get around to doing for 200+ pop.

[tame flint]

i cant make space cleaner for my janis :>

[zealous topaz]

Yeah it needs to be fixed cause the “Final Cure” wouldn’t live up the name if it can’t even cure death

[frail forge]

I need the porting tool so I can port BMG

BMG is peak

[weary drum]

If someone wants to PR it, I'm fine with it.

[frail forge]

it has a wheatfield

aswell...

so you can lay down and ambush

[weary drum]

Which one is BMG?

[frail forge]

BMG otagi fortress

from CM13 PVE

[weary drum]

Is that the one with two like cities separated by like two miles of forest lol?

[frail forge]

yeah lmao

It's not forest though wheat fields

that you can lay and hide in it

and ambush

[zealous topaz]

Honestly yk what newmed is really missing?

Infections and antibiotics

Not like sci-fi infections

[frail forge]

yeah I think people should be

forced to use latex

[weary drum]

We've discussed it, needs a higher playercount to be something manageable.

[zealous topaz]

Just like regular bacterial infections from running around in dirt with an open wound

[frail forge]

and carry cleaner with them.

[weary drum]

We can make medical more and more punishing based on the playercount.

[frail forge]

like I'd enjoy having to use latex gloves then clean my hands with a cleaner spray

afterwards

[tame flint]

thats what I thought the antiseptic would be for, to prevent wound infections

[frail forge]

would be so soul

[tame flint]

mandatory handwashing please

❤️

[weary drum]

I personally really wand airway med to be a thing ngl.

Add intubation and shit

[placid nacelle]

Holding out for poo and pee meters

[zealous topaz]

Make wound bacteria infection chance scale with player count 🗣️🔥

[weary drum]

Place the patient in the recovery position

[frail forge]

Troy when are we getting

alien surgeons

and alien limb damage

I geniuenely want it

[tame flint]

[weary drum]

I've said this before, if someone resprites every single xeno to support limb removal, we'll do it.

[zealous topaz]

Xenos get shot so much that requiring anything beyond laying down to heal would actually be hell 😭

[frail forge]

hmm

[zealous topaz]

Like at least for marines they don’t get a constant spray of unavoidable long range fire

From xenos

[frail forge]

maybe it's a good time to learn more about spriting

[fast monolith]

also did yo kno
blood in bloodbags is different chem?
you can just dump it out into a jug and inject that i think, haven't tried

[weary drum]

Bloodtypes is on the list.

[zealous topaz]

Oh god

[weary drum]

CM parity

[fast monolith]

nightmare nightmare nightmare

[tame flint]

i think the best thing youll get for newmed xeno version is forcing the healer drone to target different parts

[zealous topaz]

Yeah

[fast monolith]

500 marines which just happen to have 0-

oopsie :)

[zealous topaz]

Xenos get damaged so much it’s not even funny

[tame flint]

[tall vault]

How do you solve charred tissue

[zealous topaz]

Like as a xeno it’s not uncommon to take like 5-10 times you total health before dying over the course of your life

[weary drum]

My idea for xenomed is that it would just be more a cinema thing. Xeno health is raised slightly but as they go into critically low levels of health you start shooting off their limbs and shit.

[tame flint]

Eschar, force them down and surgery

its really quick

[tall vault]

Doctors leave me with charred tissue and I just pop tramadol because no one wants to treat it

[fast monolith]

any ideas for xeno hearts by the way?

[weary drum]

Eschar takes like 5 seconds smh

[fast monolith]

i think autopsy is still possible...

[tall vault]

Actually, I barely go to the medics nowadays actually

[tame flint]

So past the red health threshold?

[weary drum]

Probably something to do with research idk

[tall vault]

Tric and trama pills my beloved..m

[zealous topaz]

Xeno dissection would be sick

[weary drum]

Pretty much.

[tame flint]

there is xeno dissec, but we can only extract the (useless) heart atm

[fast monolith]

it's only hearts, leftover from rmc

does jack shit

yep

[zealous topaz]

Also you could add a small chance for dissecting a xeno to spawn a face hugger

That would add some cool rp moments

[fast monolith]

not how xenos work but aight

[frail forge]

why not let them lose limbs and stuff like humans bro ngl

for debuffs

[weary drum]

Basically the idea is that it wouldn't change gameplay since the threshold for them starting to loose limbs is where they would die beforehand. Xeno limb removal won't be healable though, so its just kinda a permanent disadvantage the marines can inflict.

[zealous topaz]

Cause xenos carry around face huggers to infect hosts though right?

[fast monolith]

only some can

[zealous topaz]

I mean not to a carrier level

[tall vault]

Xeno with a missing leg and it stumbles around

[tame flint]

Legless queen being towed around by drones

[zealous topaz]

But in lore they have like one on their shoulder like a pet

[fast monolith]

BRO NOT THE MAMA IN A WHEELCHAIR

[tame flint]

You wouldnt shoot a disabled mother of 12

[zealous topaz]

Randomized queen disability chance

[frail forge]

tbh yeah I would not be sad if they actully lost limbs and required to get back to hivecore to heal it and such

currently queen just admin aheals the hive

non stop

[zealous topaz]

Yeah if you get down to like 2% health

Or crit

I wouldn’t be opposed to having limb damage

As punishment for playing so riskily

[tame flint]

yea gotta sprite the missing limb sprites now for every xeno

[zealous topaz]

Like Troy said earlier

[frail forge]

I'd say %40 or lower they should be able to be delimbed

[tame flint]

😭

[zealous topaz]

I say 20%, 40% is fairly common

Or maybe 25%

Ish

[frail forge]

25 is good

[fast monolith]

dude, if you die as xeno, you are RR effectively
marine dead and retrieved is putting them on a timer until he's back in action at best

[zealous topaz]

It depends

[frail forge]

and what about that

you should lose your limbs and be happy about it.
CMU's number one rule is no fun allowed

[drowsy dirge]

not really, you can suture them, you are not meant to spam kits on every corpse you see, cuz if they have 500-600+ damage you basically round remove them unless someone nearby has 5 epi pens and knows ball

[zealous topaz]

In CMU currently, with the medical system you can be practically round removed since the doctors are so overworked

[fast monolith]

you are proposing removing limbs from melee enemy

[ruby marsh]

ive done it

[tame flint]

i wouldnt mind if you could regain a lost limb as a xeno but only by devolving

[fast monolith]

please be fr

[frail forge]

I just make FED and TT

[ruby marsh]

literally this

[frail forge]

yeah you will regrow them back at hivecore with a drone surgery

[tame flint]

yea this is why my pouchs are filled with epis... (i also forgot about sutures and grafts)

[frail forge]

lesser drone surgeons

[fast monolith]

TRIC TRIC?

WHAT KIND OF MIX IS THAT

[frail forge]

TramTric

[fast monolith]

bruh

[frail forge]

IronNutDex

[tame flint]

AHHHH

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1268620916166885490/1340041385251700857/attachment.gif

[ruby marsh]

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

If you mix, Tric Bic Kelo Mera

[fast monolith]

[redacted]

[zealous topaz]

Then it turns into black sludge

[ruby marsh]

atp dont use tric

it aint worth it

[fast monolith]

REDACT YO SHIT

[tame flint]

use doctors delight (oh wait, stirring is bugged)

[weary drum]

Real MFs just carry a pill canister of every med.

Lock in.

[fast monolith]

vitamins for brute healing

[ruby marsh]

space saving

also a lot easier

[tame flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1204093276295004190.png?size=64&quality=lossless&1

[zealous topaz]

Another issue is that by using bic and kelo you open up another can of worms in terms of chemical reactions in the blood

[weary drum]

I don't "space save" as corpsman, I just bring the entire vendor with me. I don't need more than like a pistol smh.

[zealous topaz]

I chose not to put those into my first attempt at FC for that reason

Since kelo and bic have way too many random chemical reactions with other shit

[fast monolith]

i bring only a lifesaver belt worth of meds and defib, rest is flamer fuel space

[tame flint]

you have meatshields, not comrades, as a corpsman

[weary drum]

@crisp swallow speaking of which, please make oxycodone make you high so other painmeds have a reason to exist.

[tame flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1449253079861170227.png?size=64&quality=lossless&1

[zealous topaz]

You know barotrauma has opiate addiction and withdrawal?

Add that to CMU

[fast monolith]

@crisp swallow please don't listen to the community ever

[zealous topaz]

Barotrauma is basically ss14 but in a sub anyway

[weary drum]

The community, they don't understand.

[tame flint]

Marines holding docs and corpsmen hostage for more opiates

[fast monolith]

WAIT, FUCK, YOU ARE MAINTAINER

[zealous topaz]

We need drug addiction and withdrawals

[ruby marsh]

tLMFAOOOO

[fast monolith]

fuuuck

[ruby marsh]

LMFAOOOOOO

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

I mean literally painkillers irl are hyper addictive anyway

[ruby marsh]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/862155128441012234/1497629516556931212/IGNOREWEST.gif

[fast monolith]

shot myself in the foot with that one (hairline frac, IB, 32% blood level)

[tame flint]

cant wait for a marine to shoot himself in the foot so they can come in for painkillers

[drowsy dirge]

real men spend 20 minutes roundstart on chemmaster and slurp gc throughout the round

[zealous topaz]

Yk why we use Tylenol and not oxycodone irl? 😭

[weary drum]

GC just kills you now lol

Turns into sludge

[tame flint]

nobody speak

[zealous topaz]

I mean he’s not wrong

GC is literally removed

[weary drum]

If you mix all four unga meds it just turns into sludge.

[fast monolith]

there's no GC in ba sing se

sure troy sure

[zealous topaz]

And while FC is a thing it has actual downsides

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-sing-se-gif-20976912

[zealous topaz]

GC though deserved to be removed

Because having 4 chems fix everything is really boring

[tame flint]

the current med version is only tolerable because of GC 😭

[tall vault]

Orange guice

[zealous topaz]

Like I’m fine with a schizo terraria zenith crafting recipie to make a 15 chem mix of bullshit that takes 10 minutes to cure one person of everything

[tame flint]

Goraange Cuice

[zealous topaz]

Shhhhhh

There is no GC in CMU

[fast monolith]

you can just like... take pills and grind them

[tame flint]

truke

[fast monolith]

dunno man

[tame flint]

they should make it so if you spend more than 20 minutes at a chemvender you explode into giblets

[fast monolith]

or you wanted to make that abysmal mix as colonist medic on fucking barkers

round would end sooner than one pill of FC is out

[fast monolith]

me when highcomb napalm

[zealous topaz]

Yeah that’s why FC is a meme 😭

[tame flint]

paracetamol no OD :3

[tame flint]

yea i still dont know why you can randomly explode when making napalm

[fast monolith]

THIS IS CMU, FELLA, WE INJECTING STRAIGHT METH WITH DYLO, GET YO PARACETAMOL ASS DOWN TO RMC

[fast monolith]

water should be 1:1 with end result

for napalm

[tame flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766297220051894304/1505779692609736785/togif.gif

[zealous topaz]

It’s called “the final cure” because it’s either gonna be the final one you ever need or the final one you ever make because you died before finishing it 😭

[fast monolith]

and just as neutralizer (1u is enough) for highcomb iirc

or wise versa, it's been a while since i cooked it

[tame flint]

yea ik, i spedran napalm once and I exploded and died

[fast monolith]

and when i asked synth to make some, they nuked themselfs thrice

[tame flint]

after making like, 700u without issue

[fast monolith]

whitelist, everyone...

[zealous topaz]

Yeah idk why we have such advanced napalm chemistry 😭

[fast monolith]

surely they know what they are doing

[zealous topaz]

It’s like 10 or 12 different varieties

[weary drum]

Blowing yourself up as OT is a universal experience.

[fast monolith]

rite of passage

[tame flint]

How much love is given to chemistry versus Napalm

[fast monolith]

same as in base ss14 with CLF3

[tame flint]

add saline so I can watch people blow up by adding Sodium and not table salt

[fast monolith]

PFFFFF

there's no shot that happened before

[weary drum]

Soon

https://github.com/AU-14/ColonialMarinesUniverse/pull/874

[fast monolith]

OH SPEAKING OF BLOOD

WHY DO JOES HAVE RED BLOOD?

gen3 synths have white

[weary drum]

#1412224462106923049

[fast monolith]

joes have red

[zealous topaz]

Because they are blood powered machines

Like in ultrakill

Ever wonder why there are no clowns in CMU?

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-bob-monsters-vs-aliens-blue-slime-blue-dude-gif-1245470433669060961

chemistry forgotten in a ditch

[fast monolith]

they don't fight because they just mop up the blood from humans fighting...

[zealous topaz]

They are imprisoned within the working joes

The clowns are trapped

They fuel the working Joe

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

Honestly you know what would make chemistry more interesting?

[tame flint]

add a pr to make CLF3 explosions 6 tiles wide.

[zealous topaz]

Adding an oven and making chemical reactions have temp requirements

[tame flint]

i think i might strangle you

we aint baking in here we mixing shit and exploding

as god intended

[zealous topaz]

Or you know what would be funnier

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[zealous topaz]

Adding actual chemical intermediary products

[tame flint]

DMC?

[zealous topaz]

Like you don’t just get epi from three elements form the periodic table

You would have to make actual like carbonic acid or smth

[fast monolith]

bro please

[zealous topaz]

Okay yeah that sounds kinda psychotic

[fast monolith]

this isn't tarkov

[zealous topaz]

It would be funny though to just add a chemical called “GC” that has a 70 step reaction process 😭

And literally is a cure all

[fast monolith]

mf cooking omni

[tame flint]

you might as well remove all the vendor meds and force the chemist to make everything from scratch

[zealous topaz]

Force the chemist to do hydrolysis on water to get hydrogen and oxygen 🗣️🗣️

And they have to piss to get phosphorus

[fast monolith]

stop giving them ideas

[zealous topaz]

Nitrogen is only obtainable through manure

[tame flint]

STOP THEM

[fast monolith]

also that would fucking nuke half the server population due to bwoinks

you just know

[tame flint]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/766297220051894304/1505779692609736785/togif.gif

i wouldnt mind if they removed all the vendor meds ngl

and made pills unspikeable and ungrindable

but thats just me

and made chem harder*

[fast monolith]

WHAT YOU MAKING PILLS OUT OF, FUCKING ALUMINUM?

unspikable is one thing

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-breaking-bad-gif-3809580435984736996

[fast monolith]

no grinder?!

[zealous topaz]

Wait you can grind pills back into liquid

[tame flint]

This, this isn't meth

[fast monolith]

wake up

[zealous topaz]

Holy I’m a dumbass

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

I thought it was just for botany vegetables 😭

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

That’s what I used it for

[fast monolith]

dude

[tame flint]

how to spot a botany player

[fast monolith]

you fucking reinventing GC

and you don't know about pills in grinder

[zealous topaz]

I did it because I suck at medical 😭

And I can’t be assed to actually do medicine

So I made a pill to do it for me

You want the truth???

I made FC because I wanted to do less work and just feed people drugs instead of actually interacting with the medical system!

Like synth graft, surgical line, gauze, I HATE ALL OF IT

[tame flint]

black sludge

[zealous topaz]

Actual critical thinking?

Screw that

I wanna do that in advance

[fast monolith]

god i hate it here

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791275769870549002/1121539816560005203/My_Video.gif?width=319&height=300

[zealous topaz]

Yeah medical is pain

[tame flint]

https://giphy.com/gifs/agnes-tachyon-achyon-stim-KpZrFUfZLU1jvnu1jJ

give me hyper advanced chemistry or give me death

[zealous topaz]

Though in all honestly the reason why I spent the time making the FC formula was because there was nothing to do in medical 🥀

Like if I’m gonna be afk anyway

Might as well

[tame flint]

TRUKE

[zealous topaz]

Waste my time in a CMU way

[tame flint]

holy shit half my hours are just standing around and staring at paint dry

and now that there isnt a higher rank that 1st lt i might just start playing threats

😭

[zealous topaz]

And then the other half is when you get 30 patients in 2 seconds while your director is getting sued

[tall vault]

welding fuel is GOAT when making medicine

[zealous topaz]

And you have to solo like 500 IBs

[tame flint]

the humble welding tool

[zealous topaz]

And like 200 brute PER PERSON

[fast monolith]

spoken like a true synth

[zealous topaz]

Like yk it’s cooked when you get like 15 corpses and they don’t take them into the morgue and just tell you “fix them” 😭

And then you scan them and realize they have more conditions than you knew existed

[tame flint]

lemme just turn water into wine rq 😄

[zealous topaz]

Worst part too is that it’s technically possible…

It’s just gonna be awful

Anywho I gotta sleep, will optimize the FC formula when I wake up tomorrow to account for all I learned today

[tame flint]

just wanted to put out that Ethanol and Water cant make vodka (the recipe says it can)

UPP Larp ruined

[ruby marsh]

@marsh thistle

[fast monolith]

just dilute it enough to not OD

it's whatever

[ruby marsh]

truly disappointed

i found the new med meta

its so op

its so fucking incredibly op

[tame flint]

its called cryoing

and having another doc do everything

[ruby marsh]

oh my god im foaming at the mouth

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

Incinerator?

Same

[ruby marsh]

[zealous topaz]

I agree

[ruby marsh]

js spam kits

[zealous topaz]

It’s a shame that only weyu gets one though

[tame flint]

no way

[ruby marsh]

skip suturing

[tame flint]

https://tenor.com/view/cirno-yakuza-touhou-meme-i-dont-believe-it-gif-10411109651106998762

[ruby marsh]

spam kits

it does the same thing

heals the same damage

[zealous topaz]

New med meta

Murder them, inject epi

Then defib

[tame flint]

truke

[ruby marsh]

then all u gotta do is epi and defib

[zealous topaz]

Free 20 damage heal

[ruby marsh]

and ur chill

fix ib

[zealous topaz]

You don’t need anything except epi and defib

[tame flint]

did you know that cutting off an arm is faster than fixing an IB

[ruby marsh]

[zealous topaz]

Gotta add new chems

[ruby marsh]

dr house over here

[tame flint]

[ruby marsh]

no…

[zealous topaz]

“Rightarmfixus”

Specifically repairs right arm damage

[tame flint]

add the mousebite chem

[zealous topaz]

Not to be confused with “Leftarmfixus”

[tame flint]

[zealous topaz]

Or “Rightlegfixus”

[ruby marsh]

[tame flint]

Ideas to make med V3 more enjoyable:

1. Give an option to remove heads. I've made the mistake of accidentally (purposefully) removing limbs to fix IB. Naturally, this should follow through to the head for completeness. https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1412284976812130385.png?size=64&quality=lossless&1 . Also shuts up the screams of pain, so this is a much needed QoL feature https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1412284976812130385.png?size=64&quality=lossless&2
2. If your not wearing masks/gloves/scrubs/labcoat and are near the patient during surgery, inflict toxin damage and organ damage (up to 300).
3. Theres already an organ transplant status (dont think it does anything atm). Give limb attachments and replacements a status that gives a random chance to drop the held item for 300s (or randomly trip over).
4. Sleep chem for surgery, and surgeries without sleep chem requires an continous dose of oxycodone gauranteeing a addiction
5. 1% chance for any chemical mixture to explode, dealing 300 damage and deliminb them instantly. Dont add it to the changelogs. Make the chemists/ordinance techs paranoid about ever touching a chemmaster.

[fast monolith]

dextrabrachium and laevabrachium

when in doubt, translate to latin

[tame flint]

i CANT FORGET THE MOST IMPORTANT PART

Corpsmen now have a 1% chance to spawn with unremovable cat ears so they are forced to uwuspeak

did i cook?

[craggy ingot]

Point 2 and 4 i strongly agree with. We don’t have real consequences for ghetto surgery and we don’t have a proper (read, not inaprov or lepo) dedicated surgical anesthetic at the moment. Maybe not GIGA toxin damage, but an actual consequence. Maybe organ damage or something.

[bitter osprey]

There's something too obvious that everyone overlooks or simply chooses to ignore, Distress Signal is a game mode where being injured, seriously injured, dying, or being taken down by friendly fire is very common,no player wants to be in an operating room for 20-30 minutes waiting and praying that the doctor who treats him doesn't leave him worse off than he was before being treated,there needs to be a balance between a good medical system and gameplay health.In the games I played as commander in Distress Signal, what I noticed was that we were losing a lot of marines and the reason was the /ghost when I got to the Medbay, there were about 7-8 marines who had /ghosted, others at the Alamo and all with heavy injuries, and so on. The players simply preferred to be ghosts rather than wait all that time, Not to mention that the lack of medical staff and the inexperience of those who are available is very noticeable.

When the Marines were losing for a month straight, no xeno player complained, and playing as Xeno was fun. But now that things have changed a bit, all I see are forums of Xeno players complaining.

[fair moon]

Xeno players were the ones who got neuro spit and queen scream removed because it was too 1 sided and we hated stomping marine it’s not fun for either sides. You actually don’t know what you are talking about

[bitter osprey]

If thinking that makes you happy, go for it.

[fair moon]

Buddy I’m the one who started the feedback thread to get it removed and a xeno contributor ended up doing XD

[lusty bay]

Can confirm

[hexed sundial]

what if we were all friends and we smiled

[arctic lynx]

It’d be nice if the cryopod w/ cryoxadone or clonexadone could heal brain damage, since it seems that currently there isn’t any way to heal brain damage it seems?

[craggy ingot]

we were actively complaining it was a one sided stomp why are we saying this

[zealous topaz]

Yeah one sided stomps aren’t fun for either side

[craggy ingot]

we need to mandate posting your played hours with your feedback

ts is crazy 🥹

[zealous topaz]

But yeah I agree that medical overwork is no joke 😭

[bitter osprey]

I have 700 hours in RMC, 300 as a xeno, then in the Russian RMC I have another 500 hours, 300 as a xeno, in CM13 I have about 120 hours and in CMU I have about 100 hours

I played both sides

[zealous topaz]

Like when I play medical some times I’m the only doctor who actually knows what he’s doing and have to treat like 15 dead people with maxed out damage and IBs on every body part 🤣

[bitter osprey]

i dont like any side stomping the other because round with last 40 minutes

but marines last stand are funnier

[craggy ingot]

how do you have all this playtime and then proceed to have incredibly baffling 10 hr takes on the most basic medical systems

[zealous topaz]

Maybe he just didn’t play medical that much

[bitter osprey]

Because that's what I see when I play as a marine, xeno, or commander

[zealous topaz]

Because the problem right now I would say is that the amount of doctor labor required to treat someone is actually insane

And when you have very few competent doctors and an influx of patients it gets out of hand really quickly

[lusty bay]

Idk man it's pretty easy unless you mean surgeries

[bitter osprey]

literally what i just say?

[zealous topaz]

Tell me how to quickly treat IBs and severe fractures on every body part, 200 brute damage, 3% blood level, all while juggling CPR on the 5 other corpses with the same condition 😭

[craggy ingot]

you do not play medical man

[zealous topaz]

Shit is so cooked

[inland hamlet]

Mass cas will literally always be stressful

[zealous topaz]

The answer is it’s gonna take ages

[inland hamlet]

If there's a single corpsman trying to treat 6 people all with hundreds of damage

[zealous topaz]

Yeah I agree with your observation but not the conclusion

[bitter osprey]

I've played a bit as a doctor; you don't need to be a doctor with 500 hours of experience to criticize a system with a little common sense, logic, and experience of what you see in the game, you already know what the problem is.

[inland hamlet]

it's a problem

[hidden pagoda]

something has gone horribly wrong

[lusty bay]

Yea fair enough, i just see marines say it's too easy

[inland hamlet]

It is

You just stuff your wounds with gauze and pop a pill

[hidden pagoda]

literally

i would rather have newmedv1

[inland hamlet]

Burns are rarely debilitating and if they are you have to go to a corpsman anyways

[zealous topaz]

Yeah and then you die of IB from your left ballsack in like 5 minutes because you didn’t notice it 😭

[fair moon]

It’s pretty easy with current medical you just have to worry about rezzing before they rot but as long as you have other people cpring it’s fine. Had to do it last night

[woeful monolith]

i unironically loved doing this on CM13 though

being overloaded with corpses from a shit OB

though

most of the time you are gonna have like 3-4 corpsmans on standby

[inland hamlet]

Me watching the corpsman heal with kits before suture lines (the person will be dead with 400 brute for 15 hours before they are able to be revived)

😌

[zealous topaz]

And two of them have no idea what they are doing 😭

[woeful monolith]

"CPR CPR CPR!" x3
"SOMEONE GET ME MORE MED KITS"

"EPI, SOMEONE GET ME EPI!"
"HE'S GONNA PERMA, CPR!"

[fair moon]

As long as they have epi its not an issue and any solid doc will always carry it

[zealous topaz]

Epi won’t do shit against actually egregious injuries 😭

[woeful monolith]

@fair moon have you ever played CM13's medical system?

[fair moon]

It will

[zealous topaz]

No amount of epi is gonna fix an IB, deep untreated wounds, or just straight up heart or brain damage

[woeful monolith]

epi allows you to revive them early, or that's how I thought it worked, and also heals a bit of damage overall.

[zealous topaz]

It heals 20 brute and 20 burn

Upon defib

And works like a painkiller

[fair moon]

Not I don’t like the tile movement and controls I only played RFN

[zealous topaz]

That’s it

If they are truly fucked up it won’t do that much

[inland hamlet]

If they are truly fucked up you need to like actually work on them yes

If there are 6 people and they’re all so bad that epi won’t do shit like

[woeful monolith]

oh, dude. You would've loved it.
You had to manually target a limb to heal it.
Kits and structure heal up to a point, and pills had to be used to fully heal them.
IBs were 10x more fatal, and FE only sustained you for so long if you had an MRE on you.
Organ damage was more common.

[inland hamlet]

yeah it’s fucked I dunno what to say, I don’t think that’s a problem with the medical system

[woeful monolith]

I miss using the keypads

to target limbs