Distress Signal is unplayable.

[lucid bough]

im not sure if we even get mortars on half of DS rounds.

the fact you need MORTARS to push into UPPER DECK ON SORO

is not a good fucking sign

this isnt something you can fix with fine-tuning

[winged grove]

i am not really feeling like discussing this due to how fast and easy people get offended instead of seeing the point that is being made but this is largely due to ss14 general culture of extreme kindness

[lucid bough]

you need a big ACROSS-THE-BOARD BUFF to make MARINES playable

[winged grove]

when your whole culture is based around extreme kindness even the slightest criticim/suggestion seems toxic even when intention wasn't that

[regal sparrow]

I will spectate next DS round

Hopefully its not hazops

[winged grove]

had people crash out on me on that server for telling them to weed behind backlines instead of going back and forth in the same 20 tile area, or had drones say "xeno too overwhelming" while all they were ever asked to do was use pheromones and weed when walking on or around un-weeded zones

[winged grove]

we do get it but no one uses them

because it requires teamwork and communication so people dont like it

most mortar you will see is a guy solo'ing it and getting killed/capped 10 minutes in due to having to literally be on the front line because of not having a spotter for him

[lucid bough]

Regardless even then

when i do seem teamwork

jack happens

[slate cloud]

i don’t want to resort to ‘skill issue’ categorically but on top of a wonky sandbox i routinely see really questionable decisions

[inland shuttle]

Both can be true at the same time

Marines lack power and important features like OB and they're also skill issued.

[lucid bough]

@regal sparrow distress but its prodigy

go nuts

[regal sparrow]

Fuh

Literally the second faction to check that

[potent olive]

There was a guy who complained in here about being a soloed by a runner as hazops

1/3 of the time it's govfor having skill issues

2/3 it's the factions being weak

Besides hazops.

But yeah, xeno on ds generally consists of prime hive during the right times. You're never gonna not get at least one xeno that's not been through the hell that's rmc balancing and is overcompensating for things that no longer exist(lack of newmed, constant ap) so the best choice here is legit just to buff marines to fuck then go from there and tweak it

I'm tired of the seal clubbing i want a round that lasts more than an hour

[winged grove]

thats what i keep saying, almost every round 80% of hive is highly experienced players that mastered the art of xeno against marines with 10 times more equiqment and convenience than any marine faction here, either xenos need a nerf or marines need a buff

only times i have seen marine win is once in a blue moon of XX queen suiciding sub 10 minutes and then xenos not having any experienced player take over

[regal sparrow]

@lucid bough

So i just spectated a round, and marines are literally the locked outest possible

1. No tacmap before deploy, first tacmap was 10 minutes after deploy and when charlie got kicked
2. South LZ on shivas, again
3. marines sent 1 squad to die in horrible choke, still somehow killed a rav
4. no alpha deployed for 15 minutes
5. no cade lines, xenos even stopped flanking because of that so marines dont die in 2 seconds
6. no one is shooting at xenos, especially downed ones by RPGs. I literally saw max 3 people out of dozens shooting at given moment. Kills were easy to get but marines decided to ignore them
7. CTs and SLs werent using their breaching properly. Either too little or BRUTE rockets being used on 1 membrane and im not joking.
8. marines being sent to assault worst positions
9. marines didnt even run out of AP, they still had plenty of free one from reqs...

[stuck coyote]

All of this falls to CMU not being a DS-exclusive server AND general LRP and players not actually listening to their CO

But even if they do all of this right, they still wipe.

[round drift]

I am convinced the win rate would go up exponentially if people actually secured the FOB.

[regal sparrow]

FOB was secured

[stuck coyote]

It wouldn't. I've seen several rounds with secured FOBs and it doesn't matter, frontline WILL wipe to the overtuned Xenos.

[regal sparrow]

Marines were giga locked out

Reaction time was 3-4 seconds

[stuck coyote]

Tbf

It might also just be due to marines knowing they will lose

So they just don't lock in

Hell, I've been doing that and I'm HRP Whitelisted, I just sit in the hangar as DCC and play solitaire, because I know I'm completely useless and the front will wipe in ten minutes anyways.

There is literally no point doing anything as DCC, marines will wipe so quickly I won't get to medevac or do anything like that at all.

If people go into the round expecting to get steamrolled, they will never be locked in.

And that entire situation was unfortunately caused by Xenos being turbo overtuned

[regal sparrow]

CO wasnt good either

Marines were in a group they just didnt do anything

Literally nothing

No building cades, not breaching, no shooting

[stuck coyote]

I mean...what IS the point in locking in whatsoever if you know it won't matter ?

[regal sparrow]

You dont need to be sweat

[stuck coyote]

Like it's gottten THAT bad

[regal sparrow]

Marines litearlly didnt shoot xenos

[stuck coyote]

Huh..

[regal sparrow]

A dancer goes into a group of 6 marines and only 2 shoot

the rest literalyl ignores

If all 6 shoot dancer would immidietly die

Because even 2 managed to almost kill it

They killed 2 ravs too, RAVS

[ruby elk]

Sounds like they don't want to FF because of the mentality of the other game modes

[regal sparrow]

Xenos were in firing arcs of more than 2 people

They just didnt shoot and stared

Even xenos downed by RPG escaped

Because only 1 person was shooting them

[regal path]

distress signal should be removed so i can have more civil affairs larp on insurgency or civi larp on cf

[still elbow]

6 crushers vs zero marine ap

[regal sparrow]

you didnt even ran out of AP

req had 20+ AP mags

[still elbow]

did they just...

not use them?

xenos were pushing hard with no weeds

[regal sparrow]

in general i saw 3 marines shooting at 1 xeno at most

[regal sparrow]

yes

marines didnt shoot xenos

i am not making this shit up i literally was spectating and taking notes

i saw 3 times RPG down a T3 xeno and mariens ignore that

[still elbow]

yeah valerie hit the queen thrice

THRICE

with slaw

[regal sparrow]

yeah

0 reaction

[still elbow]

maybe.. it's a marine issue

[regal sparrow]

or BRUTE being used on 1 membrane

this sounds unreal but thats what happened

people need to learn the game, not a buff

[latent rock]

i mean if you just hit the queen with the AP rocket and then just leave

queen willnot vaporise

[still elbow]

Reallly???

[latent rock]

yes its nuclear physics

[atomic raft]

are OBs in the game yet

[regal sparrow]

no

[atomic raft]

shame

I wonder if COs

will lock in

when they are

[regal sparrow]

they may be in but we dont have a cannon

on the bush

[atomic raft]

mapping shenanigans

gj

[wanton nebula]

There's also no chargers anywhere on the bush

[tired idol]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-ever-happens-angry-birds-gif-14664813930774351418

govfor DS mindset

[potent olive]

I want OBs so bad

[worn knot]

Oh no.. the marines are bald...

[worn knot]

Also yeah marine morale is at an all time low

[lucid bough]

this is why guns need a across-the-board buff btw

literally none of the changes changed DS winrates.

[worn knot]

Now that I think about it, the only time I don't shoot a xeno is over fear of FF
And newmed makes FF even more punishing when it happens

[regal sparrow]

What changes

[woven anchor]

Cuz they aarnt merged

The server hasnt updated in days

[blissful orbit]

What r the changes in question

[coarse lotus]

HEAP

[lucid bough]

oh servers big brokey?

gg

[regal sparrow]

Ppl are imagining changes 😭😭😭

[lucid bough]

gg

[regal sparrow]

Schizo Marine Universe

[jade harness]

lol

[regal sparrow]

okay

marines lack fire tools too

literally not much you can do against bulwark/defender

[rigid monolith]

SO's need to be a lot more strict in punishing insubordination. If people start running off to the other end of the front away from them squad and ignoring recall orders MP needs to get sent after them etc etc

[worn knot]

Like extinguishers and foam grenades?

[regal sparrow]

no

flamers

1 is literally nothing

you need at least 3-4 on high pop

[worn knot]

Oooh yeah
There's only like 1 in the vendor and it's faction dependant

There should be more incen grenade use and underbarrel flamers

[regal sparrow]

i dont like UBFs

but flamers are ok imo

[worn knot]

Why not? Is it balance or realism?

[regal sparrow]

i'd say they are not soul to be used for eveyrone

but lowkey i dont think even with pre-buff marines stand no chance

if they stood no chance they'd lose every hijack

but instead we see they take initiative and killx enos

[worn knot]

Yeah hijacks have been won in the past

[regal sparrow]

its 90% wr for marines

or so

[worn knot]

Also yeah underbarrel flamers aren't that realistic. Making incen grenades easier to get would be better

And I'm not talking the ones that make a big square of fire

I'm talking the AGM-I that makes a little cone of fire when it lands

[blissful orbit]

yea because hijack has been notably the only place where marines actually win since they are on defensive

xenos are still powercrept as fuck though

like that warrior strain which can DEFLECT ROUNDS

it needs to go dude

not even nerfed but outright removed like boxer was removed on cm13

[regal sparrow]

thats uuh

not the issue

marines are defensive on ground too

difference is, xenos dont have any space for manuevers shipside

and they got stuck in either narrow corridor or small room

[blissful orbit]

marines cant zergrush because xenos r weeded tf out and built bazillion walls

[regal sparrow]

and get killed by 7 marines fighting

[blissful orbit]

they very much can on hijack if needed

[regal sparrow]

marines just dont push anything

[worn knot]

The issue with fire is that all of the solutions outside of the flamer are too big or imprecise to be used offensively

[regal sparrow]

i mean

[blissful orbit]

u cant push if ur guns do jackshit

[regal sparrow]

when they push

they do good

bro

no

[blissful orbit]

u cant push if the flamers r also a nothingburger

[regal sparrow]

litearlly no

[blissful orbit]

yes dfude

yes dude.

literally yes.

[regal sparrow]

no

[blissful orbit]

yes

[regal sparrow]

that is false

because

[blissful orbit]

its objectively right.

because

[regal sparrow]

if marines' guns were bad

[blissful orbit]

if marines guns were good.

[regal sparrow]

they wouldnt win hijack 90%

of the time

[blissful orbit]

they would win planetside at least 50% of the time.

[worn knot]

If marine guns were bad they'd lose insurgency all the time

[blissful orbit]

or 40%.

or 30% even.

[regal sparrow]

yeah

that doesnt make sense

[worn knot]

The same guns used in DS are also the same guns in insurgency

[blissful orbit]

this is a dumb statement though

ur comparing HvH to HvX

two different levels of lethality and playstyle

[regal sparrow]

How can you explain same marines with same guns fighting same xenos and losing groundside and winning shipside

[blissful orbit]

GOVFOR weapons DO suck though

especially WY PMC's

[regal sparrow]

Only thing changed is that xenos have nowhere to run

[round drift]

Fire spread should help this.

[regal sparrow]

Everything else is the same

[worn knot]

Not dumb
I'm narrowing this down to the xenos being the problem or the strategy in DS being the problem

[round drift]

HIAM into a building is scary now.

[blissful orbit]

they win shipside because as i said areas arent weeded out

[regal sparrow]

YES

[blissful orbit]

which means marines can easily zergrush and win by NUMBERS

[regal sparrow]

XENOS CANT RUN

[blissful orbit]

if THEY HAVE ANY.

xenos can literally melt

through marines

melt as in metaphorical sense of completely dominating ur opponent

if uplayed marine u would know.

[worn knot]

If the guns were the problem then govfor would lose in more places than just Distress Signal

[regal sparrow]

If you take xenos' ground they suddenly cant heal and do their kill-heal-repeat cycle anymore

[blissful orbit]

guns are one of the problems

[regal sparrow]

Bro

[blissful orbit]

but not THE problem

[regal sparrow]

Our guns are litreally buffed RMC guns

[blissful orbit]

wy pmc's guns are hot dogshit

WOAHHH

[regal sparrow]

???

[blissful orbit]

and our xenos are also buffed

crazy

[regal sparrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ahem-shit-1

[blissful orbit]

the 35 armor defender in question.

[worn knot]

They're not when you use them on human targets though?

[regal sparrow]

marines were loosing before xeno buff too 70+% of the time

[blissful orbit]

they are.... dogshit... even if u use them in hvh...

because of their DPS..........

and firerate........

[round drift]

It’s a human skill issue. We have a faction that gets MK1s for literally everyone, infinite metal and tons of AP and they still loose horribly.

[blissful orbit]

ok whats the damage falloff on MK1s

[regal sparrow]

What

[worn knot]

You can absolutely frag out with them on hvh

[blissful orbit]

or armor on ur average xeno

[regal sparrow]

Do i pull my excel table again

[round drift]

I dunno, but they punch way above the CM standard.

[blissful orbit]

well idk u cant quite literally fragout with the FN P9000

or whatever its name

[regal sparrow]

Rifle falloff starts at 7+ tiles

[blissful orbit]

the maximum u can do is frago ut with m5ra or le 39

[regal sparrow]

Basically the long range

Almost corner of your screen

[regal sparrow]

yeah its getting buffed

[worn knot]

Well there's your problem, you're not using the M39

[blissful orbit]

i said this

m39 has abysmal damage aswell

i got to witness a CLF-sided CMB deputy just lwk tanking a fullmag of M39 before he even hit crit

thats how u know its good.

[solemn tide]

SMGs have abysmal damage for no reason

[worn knot]

What distance was that?

[solemn tide]

No use except on civilians

[regal sparrow]

top is m39b2 damage bottom base m39

[solemn tide]

Or like flesh beasts

[blissful orbit]

literally pointblank

[regal sparrow]

current balance

[blissful orbit]

im not even joking dude i wish i clipped that shit

[regal sparrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kitty-kitty-stare

[blissful orbit]

SMGs just....

suckl................

[solemn tide]

I think youre lying

[blissful orbit]

theres a reason why M4RA is the meta

[coarse lotus]

Just like in cm13...

[blissful orbit]

in HvH

[coarse lotus]

Sighhh

[blissful orbit]

dude there used to be a time when m39 was actually good

[regal sparrow]

M39B2 is literally the meta gun

[blissful orbit]

could melt a ravager in 2 seconds

[solemn tide]

I wonder why diff factions with the same guy playing commander win and when its a faction with dogshit loadouts they lose

[blissful orbit]

no tf it isnt

[regal sparrow]

It has 0 scatter and rifle falloff

[blissful orbit]

😂

[regal sparrow]

with 50 dmg

and huge ROF

[blissful orbit]

0 scatter on my m39?

[solemn tide]

Wait show me the sprite

[blissful orbit]

@solemn tide do u believe dis.

its the WY PMC SMG

[regal sparrow]

white smg

[regal sparrow]

I sometimes lose hope in humanity

[solemn tide]

Yea i literally got no clue how it looks like

[regal sparrow]

Do you ever extend stock

[blissful orbit]

do u ever play marines

[regal sparrow]

And see what it does

[regal sparrow]

Yes

[blissful orbit]

scratches head nooo sirrr i rock a m4ra.

[solemn tide]

So idk

[blissful orbit]

i 3tap people with my m4ra...

[regal sparrow]

I both play and spectate to see what marines are doing and how they lose

[solemn tide]

No

I dont

[round drift]

Our MK1s are the same stats as CM/RMC.

[regal sparrow]

Its better and has less scatter

[round drift]

It’s 100% a skill issue at this rate.

[solemn tide]

If its the one im thinking rn then its dogshit even with stock unfolded

[blissful orbit]

whats the advantage of mk2

to mk1

[regal sparrow]

attachments

[round drift]

Modularity.

[worn knot]

More attachments

[blissful orbit]

is that it

[round drift]

It can take attachments.

[solemn tide]

What attachments

[regal sparrow]

it has 0 scatter

[solemn tide]

5.. grips... 5... barrels

[round drift]

Optics.

[blissful orbit]

theres literally no way that the WY PMC m39 has 0 scatter

[solemn tide]

It doesnt matter its still bad

[blissful orbit]

and yea its damage is still ass

[solemn tide]

5 of everything for 30 marines

[round drift]

I’ve been running the 2x on my MK2 with an extended barrel and forward grip. That shit frags.

[regal sparrow]

the top one is m39b2 bottom is m39

[round drift]

Soul.

[regal sparrow]

it has 50 damage and rifle falloff, meaning you can consistenly damage people even at the border of the screen

[round drift]

I’m usually at the back of the req line and I’m yet to not get what I need.

[solemn tide]

When its higher pops though

[worn knot]

The problem with the damage is that it instantly starts dropping off
Shooting with it point blank melts but 5 tiles away it's nothing

[regal sparrow]

in what universe higher damage than Mk1 is ass

[solemn tide]

u wish

[regal sparrow]

No

M39B2 currently should have less falloff

[blissful orbit]

idk dude but i saw a cmb deputy just eating the entire mag for lunch

pointblank

[worn knot]

I'm talking base m39

[regal sparrow]

Literally impossible

[blissful orbit]

i saw it.

[regal sparrow]

M39 is ass thats why im buffing it

[blissful orbit]

the cmb deputy had to get shot with a slug to die

[regal sparrow]

did you use base m39 with no ap

or what

because it sounds like it

[blissful orbit]

i wasnt the guy using it

[regal sparrow]

m39b2 even spawns with AP mag in it

[blissful orbit]

it was a WY PMC TL with a m39b

[regal sparrow]

you should frag anyone with armor without an issue

[worn knot]

It was probably a regular mag then

[blissful orbit]

pointblanked the deputy with an entire mag

he walked it off

[regal sparrow]

sighs

[blissful orbit]

even regular mags shouldnt be that dogshit

[worn knot]

All ya gotta do is slap some attachments, use AP, and be right in their face

[regal sparrow]

you like, dont even need attachments

you already got 0 scatter with extended stock

i cant log onto the server to test it ugh..

wtv, lets wait for the update

[worn knot]

But yeah going back to fire, it being able to spread would make it worse for single targets but better for area denial (unless you get bad RNG and it starts spreading back towards you)

So it'd be even worse when used offensively

[round drift]

It can be patted out by hand now.

So it’s better for clearing out areas and offensive useage.

Burn out an area and push into it.

You can’t just sit behind a firewall anymore

[worn knot]

Wait so humans can just pat it out?

[round drift]

If you’re wearing gloves, it takes six pats yes.

If you don’t have gloves, you burn your hands

It was a necessary change. The entire map could just burn down on insurgency since no one runs around with extinguishers.

[worn knot]

That makes it a bit better for those cases where you only wanna burn one xeno

[crimson ginkgo]

thats false information where did you even come up with this?

theres no difference between rmc xenos and cmu xenos except for crusher which was recently changed, in terms of stats

no stats were changed armor wise on any other xeno

[round drift]

The only difference is that the queen is less powerful (debatably), the crusher has different abilities and we have more CM13 accurate strains.

The balance wasn't changed at all on the Xeno side.

[river kayak]

this is a genuine truke

marine guns are ass

and theres barelly any fuckin req budget

[cosmic lake]

the budget is so low, but. whenever that one update get's pushed it, it'll hopefully get a hell of a out better

they cheaped up the SMAW to 8K,M34-T to 2,200K, MOU to 400, XM88 to 600 (I think)

[winged grove]

because weed is bugged on hijack

plus xenos always land on the same spot north with nowhere to go with sometimes even lexington with fucking single door exit and fucking flames everywhere

if they landed anywhere south and weeds on ship worked properly they would win hijack too

[little viper]

https://github.com/AU-14/ColonialMarinesUniverse/pull/1175

[crimson ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-meme-butler-paper-gif-14735317248936290425

[slate cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/smokin-smokin-dat-pakchunk-pakchunk-rip-bozo-gif-21479114

[spiral current]

they usually break down for whatever reason which makes some rounds a complete chaos, let alone you can't even change to track your FTL or SL whenever you want, it's a literal cointoss

"oh you can't track them? too bad, now time to play a little game of, ask them in radio where are they in hopes they're not in the middle of the fight or dead so they can respond and actually get there without getting jumped by camping xenos)

[winged grove]

you can follow CO tacmap drawings too

i never had trouble finding my squad, even when trackers were non-existent due to a bug

[spiral current]

50/50

and giving the task to the CO of POINTING WHERE SL IS when the tracker SHOULD do that instead is..

[spiral current]

i often times don't have that issue in insurgency, but DS when that happens is pretty deadly

[winged grove]

just follow the lines

and assess where would your squad be going from what your objectives were along with lines

[spiral current]

it's usually dependant, and CO sometimes forgets that trackers might be broken, and since his orders usually should be fast (to make even the most attention deficit person) listen it just makes it worse

"get to sl"

"where's sl?"

........................

"oh in botany"

and sometimes you do have to stay behind with your Fireteam to cover

when you got xenos on your ass every second matters, you can't just run away randomly otherwise you get deeper in the mouth of the wolf, it's the whole point of the tracker, to HOPEFULLY avoid that, sometimes it doesn't since xenos manage to cut you off, etc etc but that's just how things go and it's not wrong

anyways imma read this thread since i am quite interested in what people say of DS

i still love it even with it's problems

aslo hang on question, why do i notice lately that in DS there's NEVER reinforcements?

because i kinda remember when i started here there was maybe 2-4 calls of reinforcements (usually getting wiped regardless)

[wanton nebula]

pro xeno tip

target low ranks

[spiral current]

i'll take notes

[wanton nebula]

i main runner

so you know im a pieace of shit

[spiral current]

ehhh i respect all playstyles even if i don't like some, i know someone does

[twin jacinth]

20 hugged from being afk

[round drift]

Should be fixed when my next PR gets merged.

[cyan kelp]

holy fuck

[civic flicker]

just pull out at this point

[winged grove]

we still got 2 obs bro we aint pulling out

[worn knot]

Commander says this then the round turns into a 2 hour FOB siege

Or a 30 minute hijack

[civic flicker]

Did OBs get merged? Then bait with an evac with a cluster OB just before return for maximum shock and awe, this is how uscmc rolls

[rigid monolith]

Alamo lands just as the cluster goes off, killing 95% of the landing force. A lone private from bravo who is new to the game is the last alive - the 30 strong xeno horde, completely undamaged by the incredibly easy to dodge orbital bombardment, turn towards them...

[civic flicker]

No crying in the casino.

[worn knot]

||If the OBs are unchanged from RMC then the dropship interior is immune to OBs||