Distress Signal is unplayable.

[lucid bough]

Rework objectives to be like capturepoints from tf2.

[rigid monolith]

nobody knows to switch it to semi, your preaching to the choir here

[lucid bough]

so people dont fucking forget about them

[round drift]

You can buy a spec team for 25 points.

[coarse lotus]

tf2?
Titanfall 2?
Davis?

https://klipy.com/gifs/titanfall-2-frontier-defense-good-luck-team

[lucid bough]

teamfortress

[round drift]

Its more of an issue with command not caring about the objectives and not building their plans around them.

[frozen compass]

What if we added the mechs from titanfall 2

[regal sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/553917324340625426/1340556663035527220/attachment-27.gif

[round drift]

More than half the marine failures I've seen either come down to an unsecured FOB or incoherent command.

With a bit of skill issue.

[cyan kelp]

its hard get more objectives when the enemy is so strong.

[lucid bough]

Army depth is the fact that there's functionally 1 set designed way of playing each GOVFOR faction. They're all shallow. It makes it incredibly easy for xenos to do counterplay

[rigid monolith]

total xeno death

[frozen compass]

The twist is they’re a xeno exclusive

[round drift]

Write up a design document on how you think they can be improved and I'll look through it and get to work.

[undone pendant]

Rn xenos have to many strains, and wayyy to much health for how little AP govfor gets

[lucid bough]

No my main comment would be

axe half the govfor factions

and force people to work on a set few

[coarse lotus]

depends on which govfor you are.

[lucid bough]

its not a design doc thing i think we've made too many govfor factions

[rigid monolith]

This is an offer you should take up broski, genuinely make this man a document the masses are begging

[round drift]

What do you feel they're missing compared to base game USCM?

[frozen compass]

CMU should have WOW style dungeons for marines to raid for legendary loot

[lucid bough]

Im not saying USCMC.

im saying..

UPP.

for example

or CMB CIU

[round drift]

I'm asking what you feel they're missing compared to the USCM.

[lucid bough]

Variety.

[regal sparrow]

half of new strains doesnt even have armor

[round drift]

Thats extremely vague.

I need specifics.

[lucid bough]

Gun variety.

Equipment variety.

[cosmic lake]

I'd argue that UPP has some of the greater variety, RPG, Flamerthower, debately alright riot shotgun

[lucid bough]

I am of the opinion that the main issue with govfors rn is that only a few get love and some are left to languish.

[round drift]

The UPP has more variety than the USCM at current...

[lucid bough]

Yea well..

i thought you meant

yknow

rmc or cm

uscmc

not ours.

[round drift]

Also there is plenty of weapon variety...

[lucid bough]

Disagree.

My whole point is

[round drift]

Req for most faction starts with 5-6 weapon types and theres the two you can get from the vendors.

[rigid monolith]

LACN would like a word

[lucid bough]

a lot of factions are incredibly shallow.

[round drift]

LACN is horribly undercooked I agree.

[lucid bough]

and some factions get

far more love

(cough cough prodigy and hazops)

then the main players of the story.

[round drift]

Its honestly more of a sprite issue imo.

[coarse lotus]

it would be a lot better if the weapon variety could be taken round start in vendors.

[lucid bough]

UPP, WY,

[lucid bough]

YES

THATS MY POINT

WHEN I SAY AXE HALF THE GOVFOR FACTIONS

THERES NO MAINTENANCE ON THEM AND IT JUST SPREADS RESOURCES THIN

[round drift]

Axing them will do nothing when we have no one working on it currently at all.

[lucid bough]

why even bother?

[lucid bough]

Focus forces.

Focus attention

[coarse lotus]

cut out the bloat, focus on the main attraction

[lucid bough]

if not axing them pause development for overdeveloped factions like HAZOPs or Prodigy till the other factions are similarly playable.

[round drift]

CMU is built on variety. If people don't like a faction because its not the meta, they won't vote for it. But we've seen that proven to not be true with Prodigy and CIU for example.

Prodigy is our most played faction despite them having the least content.

[rigid monolith]

i've never gotten to play prodigy since they got the cool TV show guns. literally not once

[round drift]

We're a playtest, of course a lot of content is still gonna be WIP.

[undone pendant]

Btw just wanna add, the prodigy Rfile the MCS-X has actually 0 degree of spread

It is 100% accurate

[lucid bough]

yea..

prodigy is just

unbelievably op troy

[lucid bough]

idfk wym by what you said here

Prodigy is one of the far more developed factions

[frozen compass]

I thought prodigy was ass

[lucid bough]

and if not that it's like

objectively the strongest

[frozen compass]

Literally flip flopping sentiment

[round drift]

Prodigy has no unique content except clothes and a single rifle.

[regal sparrow]

2.1

[frozen compass]

Constantly

[undone pendant]

No build up

[round drift]

All of the rest is content reused from other factions and they have one of the worst req line ups.

[twin jacinth]

The ww3 started in this thread

[rigid monolith]

they had hunting pulse rifles back in the day. Insurgents used to be better armed than them lol

[undone pendant]

And 2.1 is 0% you WILL NOT miss with good tracking

[lucid bough]

point is a lot of these facitons are underdeveloped

and some

(hazops and prodigy)

seemingly have a lot more love

put into them as of late

[rigid monolith]

definitely a war in heaven going on

[round drift]

Well yeah, we're playtesting. Nothing is done yet.

[lucid bough]

im saying we should probably (if not axing underused factions)

[regal sparrow]

Yeah other factions get 2 spread by using semi auto

[lucid bough]

put a FREEZE

on development

[regal sparrow]

not full auto

[lucid bough]

for some of them

[round drift]

We won't be full releasing until all the current content is on point.

[lucid bough]

dog

why use anything

but prodigy

why roll anything but prodigy

[regal sparrow]

larps

[lucid bough]

if i can go full auto

yea thats not a good excuse

[round drift]

There is already a freeze in place for new content until the current content is fleshed out?

[regal sparrow]

yeah

[slate cloud]

@round drift opinion on healer drone?

[regal sparrow]

MCX-X is out of my picture of weapon balance

[slate cloud]

most xenos are on the side of maybe obliterating it

[rigid monolith]

i've never seen prodigy rolled since the rework sonion

[lucid bough]

Yes. I'm saying put freezes on specific factions.

[undone pendant]

They don’t, I think the current average for every gun is 6.0 degrees standard

[lucid bough]

i saw it very recently

[round drift]

No point on doing that, the content for them all is lacking.

[lucid bough]

it is

[frozen compass]

I feel like the majority of players don’t care about meta and choose for drip

[round drift]

I'm not gonna say no if someone wants to help flesh them out more, regardless of which one it is.

[lucid bough]

I'm saying. Develop the main factions first and then unfreeze the more 'niche' ones later

[atomic raft]

^^

[frozen compass]

I vote solely on what I think would be a cool larp for the round

[atomic raft]

drip better than meta

fuck meta let me look cool

UPP drip is still unmatched to this day

[lucid bough]

prodigy has no drip

its all

dark black

people only pick prod because of the insane victory rate.

[regal sparrow]

ok Mk1 is 4, mk2 is 6, ag80 is 2, l23 is 4

[frozen compass]

Its pure cannonfodder drip

You are a dripcel

[regal sparrow]

MCS-X is just... overtuned

[round drift]

All of the current factions will be fleshed out before we go 24/7, thats a condition for game release and to get out of playtesting.

[atomic raft]

prodigy gun is good and prodigy gets flamer

[lucid bough]

yes i know

what im trying to say is

[atomic raft]

flamer is just so important against xenos

[undone pendant]

The AG80 is 6

[atomic raft]

no flamers no winning

its a fact

[undone pendant]

I’m looking rn

[regal sparrow]

on semi auto

[coarse lotus]

flamers just

fuck

HvH and DS.

[lucid bough]

it isnt

i used it last round

[atomic raft]

no flamer = cant kill zerker ravs or anything for the matter

[regal sparrow]

wait mk2 is 2 too

[regal sparrow]

Do you extend your stock bro

[lucid bough]

then scatters broken

IDK

[regal sparrow]

Why do i need you teach you how to shoot

[round drift]

Flamers got an insane boost here to make them soul accurate.

They're all full auto.

[regal sparrow]

Extend your stock, use semi auto

[atomic raft]

Yah I got the pleasure of

testing flamer

[regal sparrow]

2 scatter

[woven anchor]

im working on firespreading right now

[undone pendant]

It’s 4

[atomic raft]

its a bit overtuned ngl

[woven anchor]

which is actually a fairly substantial hvx boost for humans

[undone pendant]

I’m looking rn

[regal sparrow]

Did you extend stock

[undone pendant]

With weapons 1

[lucid bough]

What im trying to say is a good way of fixing this would be FOCUSING attention on underdeveloped factions and ignoring the overdeveloped factions rn

[undone pendant]

Yes

[lucid bough]

so that way we dont just get

'the big 3'

[atomic raft]

and I say that as someone who's played flamer for like 400h on RMC

the flamer here is

very op

[lucid bough]

because they're the only playable ones

[atomic raft]

the only con is

it runs out fast

[regal sparrow]

mk1 is 0 too

[atomic raft]

of fuel

due to it being full auto

[lucid bough]

yea well it shouldnt be

[regal sparrow]

im looking at it rn too

[atomic raft]

it's very svol though

[round drift]

None of the factions are overdeveloped enough for me to put that into place, the only one I can think of that is maybe 'feature complete' is USCM, but even then its only a fraction of where I want it.

[lucid bough]

either we all put scatter at 0 for all the guns or all guns get high scatter like

[undone pendant]

Idk then, unless you have weapons 2

[atomic raft]

flamer won't be at full power until we get custom fuel mixes

we could but no phoron atm

[round drift]

I'm not super concerned about making sure that all the factions get an equal ammount of content in the short term, it just needs to be done by release.

[lucid bough]

okay let me rephrase and put it in one way

[undone pendant]

Either way all the guns in the game shouldn’t require you to use semi auto

[lucid bough]

Some factions have

incredible bias put ontop of them

[round drift]

No point in restricting contributors in what they contribute if its something we need.

[lucid bough]

and make other factions feel comparably unplayable

[coarse lotus]

@regal sparrow uhhh

[regal sparrow]

If you want to consistently hit long range targets

[atomic raft]

at the end of the day guys

[undone pendant]

Weild

[atomic raft]

it's a roleplay game

winning or losing

it doesn't matter

[lucid bough]

okay

[atomic raft]

what matter is the roleplay of the faction

[lucid bough]

its a roleplay game on every gamemode

[regal sparrow]

Extend the stock and take gun it two hands

[lucid bough]

except DS

[regal sparrow]

Bro

[round drift]

Write me up a balance document on what specific items per faction you feel need a buff and I'll get on it.

[lucid bough]

is the issue

[regal sparrow]

Im crine

[atomic raft]

you can roleplay on DS

Depends what you play I suppose

[coarse lotus]

you can't rp as xeno on DS

you just frag

and kill

[undone pendant]

You cant even reliably hit close up is the issue

[lucid bough]

I want all mainline guns to be (comparable) to eachother. This is my main issue right now with how the balancing works.

[blissful orbit]

Roleplaying as a xeno is the greatest dilemma

[regal sparrow]

with burst on mk2 you get 2 scatter too

[undone pendant]

Write a doc dude…

[regal sparrow]

dont mag dump

[atomic raft]

You can roleplay as xeno rn

because

[undone pendant]

He’s HANDING you the key

[atomic raft]

it's so op lol

[regal sparrow]

use bursts

[atomic raft]

so you won't lose

[round drift]

Which mainline guns do you feel are undertuned.

[atomic raft]

unless it's lowpop

[lucid bough]

ITHATS THE DOC

[blissful orbit]

Theres no proper rp as a xeno just say "queen" and w/e

[atomic raft]

so you can allow yourself to roleplay

[lucid bough]

anything but hazops and prodigy. Unironically.

[undone pendant]

I’m not

[regal sparrow]

aaaa

[blissful orbit]

Dude the WY PMCs rifle is just soooo fucking asss

[atomic raft]

A lot of the issues we face in DS also comes from the lack of planning from commanders I feel like

[blissful orbit]

The FN one

[atomic raft]

everytime Ive played DS I don't get a tacmap so im like okay ggs

[rigid monolith]

set gun to coughing baby mode against the giant monster

[round drift]

TWE's guns are almost direct duplicates of the MK2 and the USCM has RMC/CM accurate stats (which also means VAIPO is on par as they use similar guns).

[regal sparrow]

Burst literally buffs your RoF

[round drift]

Give me a list of gun names and I'll pull them up and get to work.

[coarse lotus]

m39 is a railgun

[regal sparrow]

to 2 times usually

[coarse lotus]

use it

[round drift]

I need like actual specifics instead of a vague 'everything but this'.

[lucid bough]

Okay let me put it this way.

Whenever I play prodigy I feel like i can actually have fun using the mainline guns.

Every other gun is unfun to use.

MK2, MK1.

Prodigy and Hazops has fun guns.

[round drift]

The issue is that prodigy guns are overtuned.

[lucid bough]

All (and i mean all) the other mainline ARs

are bad.

[round drift]

The MK1/MK2 is the standard.

Thats our baseline for balance.

[regal sparrow]

I saw people malding about XMP-5 being worst gun ever

Its

Hard to listen to 2 groups of ppl saying litearlly the opposite

[coarse lotus]

that's because it's good guns against tanky xenos.

[lucid bough]

Well both guns are ass.

[zenith sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-pie-blackbeard-gif-14039911967990905516

[lucid bough]

the scatter of 6 degrees

only makes it useful

close up

[round drift]

Lowkey sometimes I feel like this is the placebo issue where all the guns preform similarily but the gunsounds make people think one if more powerful than the other because I've heard both sides of this arguement and everyone thinks differently lol.

[lucid bough]

The scatter feels neither realistic, nor fun.

Why's the scatter at 6?

genuine question.

[regal sparrow]

AG is literally buffed Mk2

and people still dont like it

[lucid bough]

IT ISN'T GOOD.

THE MK

ISNT FUCKING GOOD

[undone pendant]

AG80 is very nice

[round drift]

The MK2 is the baseline standard firearm.

[lucid bough]

The issue is troy

the scatter rate of 6

makes any long-range engagements

unplayable

[regal sparrow]

you cant compare mk2 to mcs-x because mcs-x is overtuned bro

it will be nerfed

[coarse lotus]

fall-off damage already fucking drops it.

[round drift]

Its not meant to engage at long ranges... 2x scope range at most.

[lucid bough]

the falloff damage.

[regal sparrow]

mk1/2 are standard for balancing

[round drift]

Thats what battle rifles are for.

[lucid bough]

It's an AR. It cant even function at medium range.

6 degrees

is insane buildup

per tile

[undone pendant]

Extended stock fixes that, and the AG80 is literally a more accurate MK1

[rigid monolith]

isn't even functional on my screen

[round drift]

Not in CM/SS14 design. Gun ranges are drastically decreased due to the actual scale of engagements being shorter.

If this was like Arma and you could fire 500m out I would agree with you.

But the normal engagement ranges here are like 20m max.

[lucid bough]

Yes. I'm saying the guns dont even work off ss14's design.

[slate cloud]

simply give tribal bows to govfor

[regal sparrow]

here's middle range

fguck

wait

[rigid monolith]

give the onepunch man (why is this even a thing) ability to the CO so he can delimb someone in one punch

[round drift]

Can you throw together a comparison of all the mainline rifles so we can average it out?

[round drift]

From there we can spreadsheet that shit.

[lucid bough]

thats not midrange

that is definitionally closerange

[round drift]

Also keep in mind this is just one dude, the humans advantage are in numbers.

Usually you've got a firing line of 5-6 MK2s.

[zenith sluice]

how many ap mags do marines usually get access to in cmu ds

[regal sparrow]

1 or 2 in their cases

[zenith sluice]

theyre pretty limited right

[regal sparrow]

adn they can ask for more

in reqs

[round drift]

1-2 from their case and 1-2 from req.

[coarse lotus]

then the rest is req

[lucid bough]

issue is

that isnt midrange

[zenith sluice]

yeah i think that balancing should be fine since queen screech is tuned down

[lucid bough]

and xenos just TANK it all

[rigid monolith]

I mean to be fair by the time your on your 8th bullet the prae has either killed you or gone around a corner and healed back to full health

[round drift]

From one side of the screen to the other is midrange.

[zenith sluice]

we used to do alot of theorycrafting about this in rmc

[lucid bough]

thats not

[round drift]

Anything under 4 tiles in CQB.

[regal sparrow]

thats why you get 5 marines and not 1

[lucid bough]

one side of the screen to the other

[zenith sluice]

you CAN have t3s and t2s and even t1s be pretty strong as long as screech isnt real

[lucid bough]

thats the first 2 middle quartets.

[round drift]

@regal sparrow can you clip that from one side of the screen to the other?

[zenith sluice]

no screech means marines dont have to deathball

[rigid monolith]

they are all back at the hospital with missing limbs because a single rav ate charlie squad earlier 💀

[round drift]

Yeah, we killed screech stunning, but its still pretty deadly.

[coarse lotus]

the delimb is still sorta

high

but

[zenith sluice]

i dont really like how you guys did it because of my personal hatred for any sort of warqueen but its better than the original

[round drift]

Actually @lucid bough why don't you throw together a balance PR for the rifles and we can TM it to see how it plays out?

[coarse lotus]

i digress

[lucid bough]

sure

ill do it tomorrow

[coarse lotus]

you can reattach

[regal sparrow]

ye

[lucid bough]

genuinely what ill do is just 50% off on scatter

and 50% off on damage falloff

[round drift]

Sounds good man.

I will say we have this weird dynamic where we have to balance guns for both HvH and XvH which kinda sucks.

[lucid bough]

thats what id prefer

but

[zenith sluice]

imo queen is at its finest as an rts commander more than a frontline leader

[lucid bough]

why not just

make identical

hvh and xvh versions

thats what RMC does to make PVE bearable

[round drift]

There are so many firearm types.

[lucid bough]

same sprite you just affix 'HVH' at the end

just include the entity prototype in the same YAML file.

[round drift]

It would be an insanely long project and I don't think anyone on the team right now has a suicidal ideation high enough to want to do it.

[lucid bough]

i once ported 200 hairs just to know

none of them worked for my project lead

i can do it

if its really needed

[zenith sluice]

HvX balancing and HvH balancing are fundamentally super different, its really for the best you balance them separately but it would definitely be alot of work

[round drift]

Man if you want to do it, you got my green light.

[lucid bough]

yea id just need

stats to put in

for hvh

and stats for xvh

if you can get me a general idea of that troy

[regal sparrow]

ok

[lucid bough]

i will unironically do it

[regal sparrow]

i thinng the issue is within falloff

[zenith sluice]

HvX has super high damage against humans because xeno healthpools are super high

[regal sparrow]

unironically

[round drift]

I am the last person to ask about stat balance.

[lucid bough]

yea fallout is

insane

[round drift]

I'm gonna be honest.

[lucid bough]

yea no sure just like

[coarse lotus]

and certain castes have armor when they shouldn't.

[lucid bough]

find some guy you trust

tell him

[zenith sluice]

you should remove screen rotation btw

[lucid bough]

like

just

[zenith sluice]

#1 screen rotation hater here

[lucid bough]

'how much scatter'

'how much falloff'

[round drift]

We're not removing it because multiz relies on it now, but we're gonna make it a perfect square so it provides no advantage.

[coarse lotus]

screen rotation does nothing.

[regal sparrow]

all o nfull auto with bursts

[round drift]

No, in current case it lets you see an extra tile.

[zenith sluice]

suitable alternative

[regal sparrow]

but mk1 has ap so it kills faster

and has less falloff

[coarse lotus]

i can't even rotate my ships via tactical landing.

[zenith sluice]

more like 3

[lucid bough]

@round drift oh btw are you adding directional viewcones btw

[zenith sluice]

its a big advantage in combat

[round drift]

No sprites exist for it.

[lucid bough]

i cant remember

what codebase its from

but we got good-looking like

directional vision

[undone pendant]

Please no bro💔

[round drift]

We've discussed temp merging it and seeing how people feel about it.

Personally I don't like them.

[lucid bough]

it'd be

amazing for colfall

and insurgency

because it makes stealth

actually viable

[coarse lotus]

insurgency would be perfect for

[lucid bough]

imo

[coarse lotus]

directional cones

[zenith sluice]

its a balance vs rp thing

[coarse lotus]

holy shit

[zenith sluice]

i would love to see its combat effects

[coarse lotus]

it'll be kino as fuck

[zenith sluice]

it could lead to awesome fight scenarios

but its kinda bleh to play with in normal scenarios

[lucid bough]

even then

[round drift]

Yeah, I always prefer RP changes over balance but I do understand the want for things to be fair.

[undone pendant]

Now you cant even the IEDs before they hit you!

[lucid bough]

you should have someone watching your ass

on XVH

so like

it improves

squad mentality

[round drift]

Fair gameplay is like only 1/5th of what we consider about PRs here.

[lucid bough]

to add viewcones

[coarse lotus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/enough-thats-enough-1

[round drift]

If the feature is cool but unbalanced we'll take it.

If people want like truly balanced gameplay they should play CM13 or RMC.

[coarse lotus]

you hear the IED phone ring.

[zenith sluice]

lol, lmao even

cm is one of the worst balanced games ive ever played

i dont say that with hatred

[round drift]

I shoulda put truly in quotes lol.

[zenith sluice]

i still enjoy playing it

[coarse lotus]

CM13 is not BALANCED at ALL.

[zenith sluice]

but it is not balanced

[round drift]

Its pretty well balanced in terms of win rate at the very least.

[zenith sluice]

you havent seen shit till you see SPOOKY FENT autoinjectors hit the frontline

[slate cloud]

cm13 is yeah at least a little closer to their supposed intentions

but also

research exists

[zenith sluice]

because the players are bad

[coarse lotus]

at least the winrate is plausible.
But I heard you guys wanted a 75% xeno to 25% marine winrate.

[zenith sluice]

cm players do not take advantage of any of the tools given to them

[round drift]

75% Xeno and 25% Marine if you're not playing by objective.

[zenith sluice]

it is a truly unique phenomenon

[slate cloud]

this is funnily enough just about the inverse of rmc right now

[round drift]

The end goal for design is that the humans win by objective rather than total annihilation.

You complete your objectives and get out.

[coarse lotus]

okay, but RMC treats the marines as actual canon folder.

[zenith sluice]

xenos being on the defensive never quite worked out imo

[coarse lotus]

expendables.

[round drift]

Or in some cases it leads to an end game objective that just spawns an absurdly powerful force or thing to wipe out the enemy.

[round drift]

Well, Xenos still win offensively by getting to hijack.

Their goal is still to push the marines off the planet.

[zenith sluice]

no i mean in cm/rmc

[round drift]

Ah.

[zenith sluice]

xenos being on the defensive just doesnt work for the fun of the game

[undone pendant]

So iwas right

[round drift]

Defensive Xenos only work if you pull back to chokes, kill a good number of humans and then push them while they're weak.

[zenith sluice]

instead you want either both sides to throw hands or just have marines be defensive since they tend to fall back on being defensive anyway

[regal sparrow]

Ok... Another issue, is that i forgot to change accuracy on some guns

[round drift]

Marines win via defense, but they're not smart enough to know that yet.

You push far enough to hold a few objectives and dig in crazily.

[regal sparrow]

So yes, while mar-30/40 gets less scatter, accuracy is still not great and it hits max scatter

[round drift]

HESCO walls and the likes.

[zenith sluice]

just gotta let them suffer for 3 months and theyll slowly try different things to try and win

[round drift]

We're slowly power creeping marine defenses right now.

[undone pendant]

Like the prodigy rifle having no scatter and being a laser beam?

[frozen compass]

Marines love leaving like 5 schmucks at the FOB that isn’t even fully caded yet

Rn

[regal sparrow]

I was not the one to tune mcs-x

[zenith sluice]

a big mistake ive seen in other servers is balancing based off player intellect

if you just let them suffer for 3 months

[round drift]

Yeah, a lot of the issues we have now are due to marine players not really getting that they can't pull a CM or RMC here and Unga ball.

[zenith sluice]

theyll actually try new tactics

[regal sparrow]

mcs-x is a straight up laser beam yes

[round drift]

It just fundamentally does not work here and thats a design choice.

[zenith sluice]

removal of insta win screech means smaller squad fights and objective based gameplay is actually possible

[round drift]

If you mindlessly push a frontline at xenos you will loose.

We really just need good command players.

[zenith sluice]

go my stim clip

https://medal.tv/games/space-station-13/clips/lPVRMhb5ZGLpYcAyF/spok?invite=cr-MSx1VjksMjAyNzcwNDI4LA

[round drift]

God I hate stims bro.

Unsoulful slop

[regal sparrow]

idk

my winrate via pushing is 50%

[slim cedar]

"i will hold onto this really powerful item until i need it!" -> never needs it or dies before "needing" it

[lucid bough]

add xeno zip

[round drift]

Heres your stims that magically fix broken bones and braindamage and also make you run as fast a runner for some reason.

Slop

[lucid bough]

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Xeno-Zip

add xeno zip

instead

[zenith sluice]

no they just dont take it

at all

[slim cedar]

?????

[zenith sluice]

req can buy incend mags and make several announcements about handing them out

and nobody takes them

[round drift]

When the xeno players are locked in mindless pushing is impossible.

[slim cedar]

blunder

[round drift]

The meta right now is to just creep defenses outwards.

[slim cedar]

that is what is known in the chess field as a blunder

[zenith sluice]

thats the basic effects

[lucid bough]

colored GOVFOR indicators

would fix this

tbh

[coarse lotus]

i miss the old queen sprites.

[lucid bough]

i played a UPPr ound earlier

[zenith sluice]

they also heal 10 damage per second and autorevive you

[lucid bough]

where i tried having charlie and alpha pincer

[round drift]

They already have that, SLs just don't choose to use them.

[lucid bough]

a very think

xeno line of resistance

no like

[zenith sluice]

i cannot stress enough you can never let stims touch your game bro

[lucid bough]

icon-icon

like

split it 50/50

[round drift]

Our fireteam system is really robust, but no one uses it.

[lucid bough]

green on the right

[zenith sluice]

whiteflame is pretty slop too

[lucid bough]

and on the left

tsquad colors

that easy

[round drift]

You can name and assign TLs that are automatically tracked by your infantry.

OW can even set fireteams.

Squad based tacmap is also a thing

[zenith sluice]

the only good things about research are greenos (except player culture sucks) and biomass points (except its balanced badly so you cant have fun with it)

[coarse lotus]

problem is. No squad colour indications

[zenith sluice]

controlled xenos should work fine

but greenos are meh

[coarse lotus]

green-os are stupid.

[lucid bough]

we mean the uh

icons

being all-green

[round drift]

You can set squad color numbers below everyones icons that tell you who they're with.

[regal sparrow]

i mean its not mindless

you attack what you can and cut their ground

[lucid bough]

I get that

but

marines are braindead

[zenith sluice]

let them suffer

[slate cloud]

it feels conceptually weird

[zenith sluice]

even CM has made this mistake

if you balance for players being dumb they stay dumb

if you let them suffer theyll explore new strategies

[round drift]

Play SL and manhandle them.

You can also ahelp here if random riflemen run off and don't follow orders.

We're not CM or RMC where we'll just let that happen.

[zenith sluice]

bravo e2 fuckoff nowhere in the backline

whats he doing

[atomic raft]

To be fair marines don't have any OBs to push and we just got new op strains added into the game

but I agree that commanders here are bald

[lucid bough]

Listen

ive got plenty of CO medals

as a SL

[coarse lotus]

and newmed is currently nerfing marines too.

[lucid bough]

i've tried

as both SL and commander

and im telling you now

MARINES IN SS14 ARE BRAINDEAD

they need the colors to be happy

and i dont wanna sprite uniform color variations for EVERY FACTION

[coarse lotus]

we need our coloured armbands!

we need to larp!

[zenith sluice]

the majority of players are just kinda cannon fodder

[round drift]

If someone wants to reimplement squad icon colors thats fine we can do that.

[lucid bough]

I was thinking

50/50 split

so govfor and opfor

[zenith sluice]

at least on rmc you had 5% of the players securing 80% of the kills

[lucid bough]

still works

[atomic raft]

also

another fucked up aspect

is the ratio

when I see 30 marines for 20 xenos

I cry

[coarse lotus]

TRUE

[round drift]

The only reason we cut colored armor is we'd have to make like 5000 sprite sets for every single damn factions armor.

[coarse lotus]

i just know at that point

marines are fried

[round drift]

But armbands and colored icons are something we can do.

[atomic raft]

honestly fixing the ratio would be a good first step

[round drift]

I agree, the low pop ratios are so fucked rn

I've noticed DS works REALLY well at 100+ pop but falls on its face at under 100.

Thats because part of what balances it out is numbers.

The Marines a lot of the time win by numbers.

Also our lack of proper logistics kinda sucks and needs to be addressed.

Marines win by numbers and being able to out produce and out supply the xenos ability to heal and regain plasma or whatever.

It does not matter how many walls they build if every single rifleman is carrying two packets of HEDP.

[atomic raft]

That and the lack of OBs too or proper tools to push

the mortar is kind of the only tool you can use at the moment

[round drift]

OB should be in next major update, I think EG was working on it.

[atomic raft]

Awesome honestly

[zenith sluice]

i assume you've essentially got hive pylons but for marines to produce a steady stream of supplies?

[round drift]

I'm also gonna make CAS be able to fire directs on offset.

[atomic raft]

that will help a lot

[zenith sluice]

thats a bit crazy

you could just port the fire missions pr from rmc no?

[coarse lotus]

I really

I really want firemissions

[round drift]

Yes, but I want certain weapons to be able to direct fire off offset.

[coarse lotus]

more than VTOLs btw.

[round drift]

Gau and laser for example.

[atomic raft]

what warnings will the xenos get

for that

[zenith sluice]

gau maybe, not sure how i feel about laser

[round drift]

Directs are gonna provide the same alert as fire missions.

[atomic raft]

With a delay before firing I assume

[zenith sluice]

remember if your good with the gui you can fire 3 lasers in about 1 second

[round drift]

Laser is an AOD of weapon, it will benefit greatly off being able to aim.

[coarse lotus]

lasers are meant for soft targets, like boiler, runner, hivelords, spitter, defenders (Because fire fucks them up) before unloading GAU on them.

[zenith sluice]

lasers do ALOT of burst damage and being able to spam them ANYWHERE near a laze/flare would be really powerful

[round drift]

Its also an area of denial weapon.

[coarse lotus]

the fire doesn't last

[zenith sluice]

if you nerf the ammo economy on lasers it could work

[round drift]

If its an issue we'll just reduce fire rate.

[zenith sluice]

because remember lasers have some of the best ammo economy ever

[round drift]

Yes, but it has basically infinite ammo compared to any other weapon.

[zenith sluice]

its more a burst damage weapon than area denial

[round drift]

2000 req for like 20 shots.

[coarse lotus]

I want to set-up my gimbos...
I want to have a firemission called "UNLOAD EVERYTHING".

[zenith sluice]

its mere existence is the area denial

[round drift]

I kinda wanna make the laser an actual laser.

But IDK we will see.

[coarse lotus]

so, you're considering to make the laser batteries rechargable?

[round drift]

I also want the targetting pod to be useable by the DCC to mark targets.

[coarse lotus]

that's

something.

[zenith sluice]

like helldivers orbital laser or just a nice laser strike

[round drift]

Helldivers laser strike but less absurd.

[zenith sluice]

yeah like

dodgable

[round drift]

Like directed energy weapon type shit.

[zenith sluice]

but a moving laser across the screen

you could also have it leave stronger/longer fire instead of doing insane burst damage

so its sort of like a uh

[round drift]

Now that I think of it instead of firing on offsets I think the targetting pod should allow the co-pilot/dcc to mark taregts from the air as if they were using a laser deg

[zenith sluice]

wall of fire type weapon

[round drift]

I really wanna introduce reasons for the DCC to exist.

[coarse lotus]

most of the time.

gunship pilots are solo

[lucid bough]

DCC's reason to exist

will be VTOL

vtol is great

[round drift]

Blue fire trail would be fire ngl.

[zenith sluice]

DCC is a nothing role despite what some players will tell you, it desperately needs something to do

[coarse lotus]

VTOL is awesome

DCC will main VTOL

[lucid bough]

vtol is what CAS could never be

[round drift]

VTOL will be crewed by the vehicle crewmen.

[zenith sluice]

3 DCC 1 vtol

[lucid bough]

Fun and counterable

[little heath]

vehicle crewmen will take over vtol

[lucid bough]

gg

[zenith sluice]

this is the gunship pilot issue again

[coarse lotus]

i'll murder you buddy.

[zenith sluice]

1 player gets to do the fun thing all 3 signed up to do

2 dont get to play the game

[coarse lotus]

i'll unload four widows on one xeno to get a kill.

[round drift]

The plan is two pilots and two DCCs, two for each DS.

[coarse lotus]

that's MY engagement. THATS my FUN

[round drift]

Then two vehicle crewman and a vehicle commander. Two for the tank or APC and one for VTOL.

[zenith sluice]

have you read the cas content nuke pr on cm orion

its got some good groundwork for xeno vs cas counterplay

[round drift]

Yeah, we've already selectively pulled some content from it.

MANPADs are the next thing we're working on and xenos will get their own equivalent.

[coarse lotus]

hvh CAS counters would be awesome besides just 'stepping on green flare'

[round drift]

If the Pilot does not deploy flares fast enough there is a percentage chance the aircraft gets hit by the rocket or acid and the cockpit explodes.

Then the DS returns to base.

[coarse lotus]

https://klipy.com/gifs/starship-troopers-21

[round drift]

Not only does it give counterplay, it also gives shipside docs something to do when the DS pilots returns

[coarse lotus]

maybe next time... i'll use actual pilot terminology for HvH.

[round drift]

Right now I really just need to write design documents, we have the code backing for a lot of this stuff but a lack of sprites and actual coherent plans.

So if anyone is interested in designing features, hmu

[worn knot]

Imagine if it was set to burst fire by default

[regal sparrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/jgmm-monkey-think

maybe we need enjoyable rifles in the first place idk

[rigid monolith]

let DCC hover their mouse over a target on screen during a windup cycle. If they hold it for the duration of the charge cycle, xeno gets hit. Otherwise good for burning weeds away and create large amounts of fire.

A DCC's ultimate tool for killing privates.

[finite kindle]

Im cursing you with 10,000 years of krammer

[rigid monolith]

south americans use FAL's right? Kramer also looks kind of like a boltgun... Give kramer bulets that hit like a truc, go THONK THONK THONK but have abysmal dogshit accuracy (NOT FUCKING SPREAD) when shot quickly and require slower timed shots in semi auto to maintain accuracy and good spread. There, solved Kramer's feels like dogshit to shoot issue.

[worn knot]

Just sayinnn it'd be a fun experiment
Remove full auto and set it to burst for a round

[regal sparrow]

hm...

[rigid monolith]

Please no. I get shot in the back by clueless E1's enough as is!

[worn knot]

Pro: Guns are accurate
Con: You get shot in the back by E1s

[rigid monolith]

i dont need them shitting out one bullet, repositioning, then dumping two more rounds into my ass (or the commander's ass, which I then have to arrest them for, while laughing)

[worn knot]

Also when the dropship lands how much of the map is cleared of weeds and resin?

It feels like barely anything gets cleared

[rigid monolith]

a lot on some maps, literally 1 tile on corsat

[worn knot]

Is corsat still in rotation? That map is just a free xeno win

Govfor has never won corsat

[rigid monolith]

nobody votes for it because your infinitely more likely to die while still in the dropship, than die before setting foot out of the LZ

[frozen compass]

We need a realistic game mode where 10 shots from a M4A1 pulse rifle kill an xeno, but an xeno cuts a marine in half with one claw swipe

[rigid monolith]

I say it before and I'll say it a second time: give lessers infinite respawns so we can get the sentry gun tunnel scene and make the marines feel like they are actually doing something before a sandevistan prae and rav combo comes and kills them all in 0.001 milliseconds

[worn knot]

We need someone with a spreadsheet of every round outcome and winrates and round times

[rigid monolith]

someone also suggested the queen get a simplemob swarm of lessers to command while sitting. This would be cool

[worn knot]

This'd be hilarious as like a queen subspecies

Or a toggle with a long cooldown

[rigid monolith]

itd be pretty peak

[worn knot]

Find a single E1 and summon the lesser horde on top of them

[rigid monolith]

intel officers would literally be living the aliens film

[worn knot]

Variant of the screech where instead of blinding it summons like 10 or 20 lessers (that disappear after like 10 seconds)

[frozen compass]

Literally just sounds like the grey goo threat mechanics

Basically all the players will control multiple sub-mobs for that faction

[rigid monolith]

what are the xenos if not a threat made by grey goo

[frozen compass]

To my knowledge

Should be tough seeing as too many hits and you’re infected

[worn knot]

What're the xenos if not submobs for the queen

[rigid monolith]

They are machines who round remove humans at industrial scale

[frozen compass]

Well the grey goo boys will have submobs for the submobs

I personally can’t wait for the malf AI threat

[tired idol]

the xenobuffs/additions did not really help since i felt like i was pelting em with nerf guns

[keen wren]

not backreading allat but im a xeno main and i agree. words you would never otherwise hear me say, i say today: give marines more shotties and AP

[slate cloud]

esp the ap

[winged grove]

wy pmc's smg is a railgun for some reason

normal m39 competes with hazops smg on who has a wider firing arc but but the wy pmc m39/b2 whatever has either 2.0 or 6.0 flat accuracy on both minimum and maximum

remember testing it and bullets barely sway half a tile from 8-10 tile distance

meanwhile hazops smg you need to not have any friendly in a 45 degree arc everytime you shoot otherwise you FF your own teammates

[regal sparrow]

@lucid bough yeah its looking bleak

and i didnt even test damage yet

[lucid bough]

max scatter 14? 😭 good god

[regal sparrow]

how its mag cap and damage its alright

MCS-x is just overtuned

[lucid bough]

burst is insane

[regal sparrow]

with cooldown its half of it

i tihnk i will remove cooldown

just for a test

[crimson talon]

Yeah ds is a bit chopped

[civic flicker]

If the faction doesnt have a rocket crew whats the point

[lucid bough]

where is damage falloff kept?

[civic flicker]

If we dont have something that can setup a push with a huge amount of damage like CAS (nonexistent recently for some reason) or a rocket team, govfor just pushes from LZ until they hit the xeno ambush

[coarse lotus]

CAS is either non-existent because of requisitions cannot sustain their lust for munitions of widows. Or get shitty GAUs that don't even damage xenos and gives plentiful of warning beforehand.

GAU was supposed to stun xenos if it hitted them, T1s especially.

[civic flicker]

Might as well spend the req on SMAWs

[regal sparrow]

fuh

so big

better quality

[undone pendant]

So yes

Kramer is THE WORST gun rn

6 degree spread that adds up to 56 after 4 shots

Making burst useless

And semi auto still not great

[regal sparrow]

Changes for ARs:

MCS-X:

ROF: 4,1 -> 3,8
Max scatter: 2,1 -> 18
Burst RoF: 8,2 -> 7,6
Burst max scatter: 2,1 -> 15
Min scatter: 2,1 -> 5
Accuracy: 1,8 -> 1,6

Kramer:

Max scatter: 58 -> 20
Burst max scatter: 28 -> 18

AG80:

ROF: 4,3 - > 4,5
Max scatter: 19 -> 18

MK2

Max scatter: 19 -> 18

[winged grove]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

straight up cap

if kramer is bad can you explain how am dominating the field whenever i play LACN?

in all ranges

[undone pendant]

6 scatter on a semi is still really unreliable

[winged grove]

you have 10.0 rpm, use it

[undone pendant]

Idk why your lying about thi

[winged grove]

you send double and more lead than any other rifle

a little inaccuracy doesnt change anything

missing 30% of your shots when you shoot 200%-250% more bullets per minute than any other rifle is nothingburger worry

[undone pendant]

It is more like 50-60% of your shots if your even 5 tiles away

[regal sparrow]

Changes for BRs

L23

Burst max scatter: 10 -> 7

MAR-40

RoF: 2,5 -> 3,2
Max scatter: 19 -> 14
Min scatter: 6 -> 5
Burst max scatter: 16 -> 11
Accuracy: 1,3 -> 1,5

ABR-T

FullAuto RoF: 5-> 6
Full auto max scatter: 36 -> 30
Min scatter: 6 -> 5

L42A

FullAuto RoF: 5-> 6
Full auto max scatter: 36 -> 29
Min scatter: 6 -> 4
Falloff removed

M4RA

Min scatter: 6 -> 4

M5RA(M5RA/2)

Min scatter: 6 -> 4

[winged grove]

i am sorry but adidas hat section's manager called, they want their caps back 🧢

[coarse lotus]

M4RA
Min scatter: 6 -> 4

okay.

M4RA was good, now it's really good.

[undone pendant]

So every gun is getting a buff, except the prodigy rifle

Thank god

[coarse lotus]

also, M4RAC?

custom?

[regal sparrow]

changes for SMGs:

M39B/2

Full auto max scatter: 7 -> 20
Min scatter: 4 -> 10
Base damage: 45,9 -> ~40,08
Extended stock nerfed: no more scatter 0 -> 4 ( so -1 scatter instead of -4)
Max burst scatter: 14 -> 17

M39

Base damage: 34 -> ~40,08
Max scatter: 26 -> 24
Accuracy: 1,3 -> 1,45
Min scatter: 14 -> 10
Burst max scatter: 54 -> 20

MP5

Min scatter: 4 -> 6

Type 64

RoF: 6,7 -> 10

[regal sparrow]

ye

changes for carbines:

FP9000/2

Falloff changed to rifle one
Min scatter: 4 -> 5
Max scatter: 18 -> 17
Base damage: 26 -> 30 with 30 ap

MAR-30

Max scatter: 19 -> 18
Accuracy: 1,3 -> 1,5
ROF: 2,9 -> 4
Min scatter: 6 -> 5

FP9000

Falloff changed to rifle one
Min scatter: 4 -> 5

[undone pendant]

Oh ok, type 64 will forever be ass

Ag80 prevails

[regal sparrow]

No

Compare it to P90 with this changes

Basically P90 with higher DMG but higher falloff

And no AP too

[undone pendant]

I don’t use the p90, so I wouldn’t know gameplay wise

[regal sparrow]

its gun and run

one of the best smgs

0 thoughts

[undone pendant]

Mp5 and m16 both outclass

[regal sparrow]

m1 + w1

[regal sparrow]

kinda

[undone pendant]

Still find it funny that the CMB have better guns than 70 percent of govfor

[regal sparrow]

oh lol that was a mistake

it was suppose dto be m5ra

[coarse lotus]

i miss the scout rifle, sir.

[slate cloud]

where is lesser drone on this chart

[regal sparrow]

https://github.com/AU-14/ColonialMarinesUniverse/pull/1150

[lucid bough]

you're doing the changes?

[lucid bough]

18???????

@regal sparrow why are you increasing scatter on non MSX guns

also the P90 def did not need a change

[regal sparrow]

it was decreased

[regal sparrow]

i havent touched p90 bro

[lucid bough]

sorry 9000

same difference

[regal sparrow]

no it needed change

it was ass even after a buff

[lucid bough]

mp5?

[regal sparrow]

mp5 was slightly nerfed

[lucid bough]

why's the mp5 scatter going up

that gun is alreadys hit

no one uses it

[regal sparrow]

wdym

its one of the best smgs

[lucid bough]

i also dont get the M39B/2

Best smgs is

the crowning turd in a pile of shit

not really a fair comment

yea no i fundamentally disagree with you rlogic

all these changes are way too small

[regal sparrow]

bro yesterday you were the one to mald about mcs-x being overpowered shit

[regal sparrow]

yes because guns were good already

they needed slight changes

i literally made a fucking GDD

[lucid bough]

MCSX is overpowered but that

[regal sparrow]

i tested every gun

it took me 5 hours

but i did it

[lucid bough]

is IN comparison

[regal sparrow]

and documented everything

you have guns compared before and after

[round drift]

I’d rather we make small changes and see how they feel than drastically change everything. Guns can be different between factions, some can be better than others, they just need to feel good to use.

[winged grove]

they killed it

what have they done to my boy

[regal sparrow]

Its not even that small, most guns got literally buffed

[winged grove]

they killed m39/b2

😭

[lucid bough]

I dont get the M39B/2 nerf

thats

like

[regal sparrow]

You see +1 -1 but ingame its actually +3

[lucid bough]

the best way to balance a game is to make

the guns

better overall

[regal sparrow]

M39 was overpowered for no reason

[winged grove]

you murdered m39/b2 in cold blood bro

[regal sparrow]

bro

[lucid bough]

the M39B/2 WAS NOT FUCKING OVERPOWERED BRUH

IF IT WAS WHY ISNT VAIPO WINNING BIG DOG

[regal sparrow]

i swear i will stop listening to you

[round drift]

Guys let’s take the helldivers approach.

[winged grove]

are you not ashamed to speak with blood still fresh on your hands

[round drift]

Start buffing and nerfing guns at random.

[regal sparrow]

yesterday you were malding against MCS-X

[lucid bough]

yes

i said

[round drift]

I love my grunt fantasy.

[lucid bough]

i agree with the MCSX nerf

[regal sparrow]

but somehow M39B is good

[winged grove]

hit randomize untill people stop complaining

[lucid bough]

yes because its not even comparable

[regal sparrow]

it had 0 scatter

huge damage

huge RoF

[lucid bough]

i dont mind that thought process i just hate that in a game where you only have one life with no respawns

[winged grove]

alright damage wasnt huge

stop the cap now bromosome

[round drift]

CMU is the definition of grunt fantasy

Into the meat grinder you go.

[regal sparrow]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ahem-shit-1

[winged grove]

"huge damage" its not really huge when the scuffed hitreg makes half of the bullets go through sprites

[lucid bough]

damage literally wasnt huge according to your own fucking chjart bruh

😭

wdym huge

40 at closerange thats not huge dog we're talking about xenos

[round drift]

This is why we don’t do “balance”. Shit is subjective.

[lucid bough]

what im saying is

give every gun

excluding like the msx cause it has 0 scatter

a across the floor BUFF

[regal sparrow]

46 damage with 0 scatter is not huge

[winged grove]

it had no AP

[regal sparrow]

i remind you that BRs have 50+ dmg

[regal sparrow]

With AP it was 39

[round drift]

Definitely not needed across the board.

[winged grove]

and hitreg makes you miss half of your hits anyways

[regal sparrow]

AP mags are 39 dmg

[round drift]

The MK1 hits like a tank.

[lucid bough]

the MK1 dooes noooot

[round drift]

A firing line of MK1s is horrifying.

[regal sparrow]

bro

[winged grove]

i remember shooting a whole mag at tribals to kill them BECAUSE HITREG

[regal sparrow]

i tested it yesterday

i tested it today

it is good

[lucid bough]

as i said previously

and i will continue saying

these guns are being balanced for both XVH and HVH

which is impossible

we need to split the guns into 2 categories, one for HVH spawns and one for XVH spawns

simply put

[winged grove]

why not just nerf xenos

[regal sparrow]

who said that bro

[lucid bough]

because they dont want to do that

fair

[regal sparrow]

its literally xvh balance

[winged grove]

actually

[lucid bough]

@regal sparrow ?

[winged grove]

ACTUALLY WAIT

I HAVE A VERY GOOD IDEA

WHY NOT MAKE A SPECIAL AMMO TYPE FOR HVX

[regal sparrow]

i didnt balance them for hvh

[round drift]

We balance guns for XvH and let HvH have a milsim TTK

[regal sparrow]

we have to but i didnt

[winged grove]

and not give insurgency garrison that ammo

[regal sparrow]

thats what i did

[round drift]

Fine by me.

[winged grove]

that ammunition will be balanced for XVH and only be available in DS

[lucid bough]

we should just split the guns like theyre done for in other variants

ah whatever

[winged grove]

i am literally nicola tesla

fix hitreg though troy

i swear it is broken

or am going insane

[lucid bough]

its not

xeno armor

is like across the board

20

[winged grove]

even boiler has 20 armor

its literally just a bloated gas canister

[regal sparrow]

stay in group, form firing lanes

idk bro

to kill a base praeto is half or a mag of Mk2 depending on how often you miss

[winged grove]

firing lines will never be a thing

i am willing to go on a vacation on arctic with the boys butcher fit if you can get a random DS marine team to make proper firing lines and follow them whole operation

or like hell, even half of the time is fine too

[regal sparrow]

i see marines constantly walking off and solo dying, feeding xenos

[winged grove]

yeah welcome to ss14

or cm in general

[regal sparrow]

and i am against letting them win these engagements

either you learn, or lose

[winged grove]

there will be no learning

i can tell you that with absolute confidence

firing line might work in cm13 due to tile based movement already forcing you to it kinda but not here

[round drift]

They are even better here.

[lucid bough]

speaking from experience

in 3 years of playing rmc

[regal sparrow]

firing lane is not a literal lane

[lucid bough]

i have only managed to make

[regal sparrow]

just firing arcs

[lucid bough]

competent firing lines as an sl

a dozen times

[round drift]

You’re not locked to a tile so you can stack even more guns.

[lucid bough]

and that is over damn near 120 hours of SL.

I dont know how this is so hard to explain

[winged grove]

thats honestly a positive number but i wont make anymore comments

[lucid bough]

FUCK balancing give marines BETTER guns

[winged grove]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[lucid bough]

because a lot of people right now

JUST DONT WANNA PLAY DS

and thats not a good sign.

[winged grove]

if people actually larped

and made actual strategies

DS would be more fun

[lucid bough]

I've tried this.

It doesnt matter when your marines cant push

even with better strategy.

every round ends within 20% of the map's distance covered

thats not fun.

[regal sparrow]

even for FoF i dont see it soon. People will do risk stuff and die instead of following proper plan.

[lucid bough]

I've had cases

[winged grove]

as of now we just follow some quick lines drawn by CO with ABSOLUTELY ZERO STRATEGY or positioning or form or nything and hope xeno queen trolls and hits "rest" button mid-push and dies

[lucid bough]

with great marines on DS

and it just doesnt work

Like im sorry

these MINOR BUFFS

WONT DO SHIT

WHEN EACH XENO

JUST ISNT KILLABLE

i see pop regularly drop whenever DS is rolled.

Even more-so then CF.

[regal sparrow]

use sadars, cas, mortars

[lucid bough]

CAS is shit, cause INTEL is overpriced.

[regal sparrow]

you hate brutes now

[lucid bough]

Sadars?? Are you kidding?

mortars??