Tribal Feedback

[hexed pond]

• Archers don't have much arrow capacity.
• There is no way to see the difference of the leader from a spearman (not even in the uniform or weapon)
• If a tribesman picks a gun up they can just fire it, I think thats kinda dumb for.. tribespeople..
• They could use better clothes

[cursive thorn]

Tribals need to be restricted from using firearms and explosives
They also seem a little too human

[cold vapor]

i really dislike how tribals look

i think that taking one of the nonhuman species from upstream and reshading it to the cm artstyle would make them more distinct and memorable

(specifically lizardpeople is my vote)

Tribals should also have firearms 0 skill. Guns are not hard to use, but they are hard to use effectively. I think a Tribal should be allowed to pick up and wield a rifle but they're not going to have the kind of firearms training that would let them be accurate.

[fickle tiger]

REMOVE

[cold vapor]

As for other feedback- macuahuitl as a delimb monster weapon.

[compact haven]

For the tribal warriors, it's very difficult to get within close range like the name suggests as if you take a few bullets you're too slowed down to move any further. It'd be nice if they were a little faster, and maybe have some basic "tribal-ly' medical supplies. This is only from my experience of taking the role twice and bum-rushing the PMCs, but that's all I think of it so far.

[fringe shoal]

better off making our own species imo, but thats a project im NOT about to take up

[cold vapor]

i mean i don't get why lizards are out of the picture

[fringe shoal]

as for firearms, give them firearms skill 0 ig? should be an easy fix

[rare vault]

I like them, they could have mushrooms or something to fight while tripping balls

[fringe shoal]

its very clearly base ss13 species

doesnt feel aliens

even if i CMified them people would call them lizards disregarding whatever in universe label we assign to them

is the core issue rlly

only so much suspension of disbelief i can expect from players

[rare vault]

so far the vibe I got was mix between the blue tall peaple from avatar, the scary tribe from bone tomahak and TES woodelves

[cold vapor]

i mean

sees species that looks like a lizard
calls them a lizard
makes sense to me Shrug

[fickle tiger]

is pretty lrp take the navi and add them to aliens universe, it needs a whole redo to be something original and not a cheap copy that frags

or just be removed

💪

[fringe shoal]

yeah hence lets not do lizards

[cold vapor]

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Tetrabrachial_Humanoids

found your tribal species

we're bringing back four arm arachnids with this one

[fringe shoal]

lord i am not good enough at spriting to figure out crammming allat into 32x32

[fringe shoal]

it is straight up just navii yeah

i dont think the concept itself is wrong though just like everything slop lrp early incarnation

[rare vault]

tbh lrp is more of a player thing, you can give them more background and lore sauce for people to play it up, maybe mechanics like being able to cut bodyparts and make fashion out of your enemies

[cold vapor]

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Unnamed_Sentient_Species

[cold vapor]

https://avp.fandom.com/wiki/Karna

there's two examples of reptilian species in AVP that i've found so far

[elfin patrol]

Tribals could be moth people who worship a lamp/light, etc

[fresh beacon]

yeah just call it a day and resprite the tribals as moth people

it's the best solution

so that I can rp as there being mothmen in the woods thx

best species choice

[bitter edge]

The Great All Lamper will bless us

[dreamy hawk]

these need a secound pass. Theres alot of fun here but whats here right now is weird. Doesnt fit and currently is just…

Look there incomplete so alot of this is just because of that but right now they are different skinned people who use spear and arrows and attack random colonial for seemingly no reason. Thats not great. Also. We call them tribals. Not great. Without background and clear identity these guy become really strange and i dont think its good that i saw multiple people have to apologize in LOOC for lowkey saying something racist accidentally just because of the exclusive things these guys are doing.

With that, let them let them pic up guns (they arent anythint less than sapient these guys can absolutely figure out a trigger) make them look VERY different, and flesh then out more. Maybe have only a limited number of them speak known language, and above anything give them clear placing in universe.

[bitter edge]

Bows are also stupid strong...stronger than they should be IMO

They are stronger than guns.

[fresh beacon]

yeah it'd make sense if they were a stronger species like moth people

shooting the arrows at mock 10

i think if they were moths it would fix every problem

[elfin patrol]

Getting two tapped by a guy with a bow as Vaiso was terrifying I felt like the stormtroopers on Endor

[dreamy hawk]

part or the issue with me buying the bows and spears being so strong is thr people throwing them are my size

[elfin patrol]

The spears 100%

[dreamy hawk]

if they were shooting like HUGE bows because they themselves are huge id buy it more

[fresh beacon]

giant moth ppl

it's the only way

[elfin patrol]

Tribals should also get night vision

[fresh beacon]

i spawned in on distress signal as a non sprited moth person tribal and it was bad

[dreamy hawk]

i think avali are the most solid for them just cause they look the most alien without just being “what if this animal was a humaniod”

[fresh beacon]

till the admins gave us a flare

[elfin patrol]

Moth people would have incredible Rp potential and moths screams are funny as fuck

Plus district enough from humans because of the wings

[fresh beacon]

those aren't moths

the moth people rp from the mothman cryptid would be so god damn peak

[dreamy hawk]

yes i know i just think that moth people dont really fit

imo

[elfin patrol]

That’s fair

[dreamy hawk]

perfectly 1:1 animal humaniods are where my suspension if disbelief ends

At least here

[elfin patrol]

I think whatever gets picked they need to be a bigger humanoid

[fresh beacon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/moth-jumpscare--k01KRN08Y598FEMFKXHKFBCHFPZ

[fringe shoal]

if we use upstream species people will larp as that species instead of actual characters

[dreamy hawk]

yes. And i really think they need some sort of animal companion or steed or whatever so they can be the whole “we choose to side with nature” thing and not just a borderline old west native American metaphor

[fringe shoal]

not even that tbh

govfor needs agent orange + local wildlife to aggro for no fucking reason

i dont think the tribals need to be super nature-protective

aliens universe militaries would use heinous shit

because 1. who the fuck cares about carcinogens
2. just fix the atmosphere with an atmospheric processor lol lmao

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah but that’s apparently not what were doing

[bitter edge]

Agreed tribals this DS round

sucked

until we got light

[fringe shoal]

wyci

[fresh beacon]

Moths are nocturnal

It just makes too much sense at this point

[fringe shoal]

idk like weyu pmc would absolutely just burn the forest down lmao

theres no way we do moths

i think we were thinking either lizards or avali as the placeholder mobs

[bitter edge]

Something should be done because I could lowkey disguise myself as a tribal

Gas mask, scientist coat

ID

boom.

Thats a colonist needing help.

[fresh beacon]

Picking lizards over moth

💀

[cold vapor]

avali are

too furry

reptilians have at least some precedent in aliens lore (there are two reptilian sapient species I found on the avp wiki) and also wider sci-fi culture

[dreamy hawk]

idk i dont think strange birdish looking alien is more furry than lizard person

Tbh

[cold vapor]

avali are a furry oc design

and it's very obvious

[fringe shoal]

they are yeah

[cold vapor]

not that that's necessarily a bad thing.. outside of CMU

but in CMU that is pretty artstyle destroying

[fringe shoal]

the issue is the horrors of spriting a species

[dreamy hawk]

idk lizards are like way more dominant in furry spaces than birds, much less strange “not birds”

[fringe shoal]

its ass

[cold vapor]

they don't even make sense in RMC too but if I get into my RMC species rant I'll catch another warn

[fringe shoal]

i agree but in wider sci fi its also more typical

[dreamy hawk]

Yeah typically slop

Lets be real

[fringe shoal]

yes

lol

the ideal answer to all this is just homebrew

[dreamy hawk]

very true

[cold vapor]

there's a perfectly good four armed tribal species

[fringe shoal]

but idk if any spriter rn is insane enough to do that

[cold vapor]

sitting right there

with enough leeway for custom lore

[fringe shoal]

the issue w that is the logistics of having 4 hands not only code wise but sprite wise

[cold vapor]

code wise 4 arms is a nothingburger

literally already exists

[fringe shoal]

does it? fahh bruh im too out of the loop on cmu slop

[cold vapor]

was used for arachnids for a bit but that was mega op

[fringe shoal]

sprite wise dealbreaker imo

[cold vapor]

this is an upstream wizden thing

[cold vapor]

displacement maps?

[fringe shoal]

inhand sprites wouldnt work well on 4 hands

[cold vapor]

displacement maps?

[dreamy hawk]

vro wait just do vortagaunts

[fringe shoal]

sorta?

it depends on a lot of sprites

imagine doing all those fucking displacement maps

[cold vapor]

I'm just imagining like

the second set of arms is four pixels downwards from the first set of arms

[dreamy hawk]

we already have hl2 reference why not just pull design for them

[cold vapor]

displacement map displaces those down

[fringe shoal]

some gun sprites are explicitly set around like arms is the issue

let me show what i mean

[cold vapor]

on the other hand I think vorts are maybe too alien

[cold vapor]

these are tribals tho they don't need to hold guns

[fringe shoal]

they kinda do for the rp

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1481826530806992906/1504530731454566603/image.png?ex=6a07fbaf&is=6a06aa2f&hm=62f22bd9ca89812b4b0e227eed503529e27a0d8910ffb9c4a06ba77d0c15aa0a&=&width=928&height=196

[dreamy hawk]

even if its just for fixing the arm problem, have them have normal arms then smaller trex (unfuctional) arms that hang on their torso.

[cold vapor]

I'd wager like 90% of sprites that were designed with two hands in mind wouldn't show up around the tribals tbh

[fringe shoal]

like unless the arms are perfectly aligned yet somehow dont look fucking stupid

this type of shit is annoying asf to fix

[cold vapor]

perfectly aligned maybe stupid looking definitely

[fringe shoal]

not worth the hassle rn to make them 4 handed

[cold vapor]

just have them wear pixel vomit clothing to cover up any sprite errors

[fringe shoal]

id rather just work with making a taller humanoid species to differentiate them

whoever makes a good sprite for the species kinda has the choice on what they want it to be

i could CMify the upstream species but the most permanent solution is a temporary one

if i do that ppl are gonna look at that and go well its a good sprite we HAVE to use it somehow which id rather not

[fickle tiger]

@fringe shoal we should replace navi with the classic grey alien

like tgmc did

[fringe shoal]

err show me the sprite

like classic classic?

[fickle tiger]

yeah a gray alien with laser gun

shooting tgmc marines and robots dead

[fringe shoal]

lmfao

no theyre too high tech

[rare vault]

Navi like tall humanoids sound good, moths are too funny, tribals should be terrifying pure muscle feral people

Tbh they could just be humans (extremely athletic ones), there is certain horror to fight something in principle like you, but extremely different

[bitter edge]

Not a fan of that one...should be some distinguishment

Else they are just 3rd party number....etc

also dont think they should be able to disguise as humans

[cursive thorn]

There should be something that makes them clearly aliens

Other then just being blue

I think straying away from the blue person thing and making them look more like a tribal from AvP would be better

Sizing their sprite up too

Atleast by a few pixels

[upper night]

real

tbh they can be lizadman repurposed

aswell

ashwalker colors...

maybe

[bitter edge]

Lizardman drag

would also be a cool emchanic

as a 'might as well'

[hexed pond]

Tung tung tung sahur.

[dreamy river]

At this rate I feel like there should be a poll on what the tribals look like

Because all the ideas look equally good

For their own reasons

[dreamy river]

My bet is on the four armed aliens
Canon to the series, four arms for unique gameplay, tribal society, not a species done before in ss13/14

[fresh beacon]

Moth people

[dreamy river]

Moth people would be cool though..

[fresh beacon]

wat

[elfin patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mothman-fortnite-the-mothman-mothman-fortnite-mothman-mothman-lamp-gif-734493409730946609

[cursive thorn]

Teepees and various other QOL things for the tribals would be amazing

To give them more then just slaughtering people

Allowing them to build wooden walls and what not

I imagine a few forks have good ashwalker stuff that can be used for this

[bitter edge]

^ Give tribals more of a reason to exist beyond inconvenience

[cursive thorn]

Remove tribals from DS

They give the xenos 20 free caps and screw over the round

[elfin patrol]

Marines never had a chance

[bitter edge]

Agreed

Or give tribals some way they can stand back (strength, NV, idk)

As RMC survs have a better chance than tribals

[dreamy hawk]

i came in drunk and high and played queen for my secound time ever and my hive still won without capturing ANY of the govfor cause we were so fed by them (and cause fire tank BLOWS lowkey)

[rare vault]

https://youtu.be/Y3i_h_TVUHQ
Doomscrolling threw me this clip and reminded me of the tribals, both bc the stagman design is cool and jumping and rolling around is cool

[rare vault]

Being able to harvest things from the forest would be nice (mushrooms, berries, tree sap- things only tribals can properly extract), something to do and a concrete reason to give the player a feeling, a need to protect it

[hexed pond]

100% agree

[dense crow]

give shaman some magic soothing power or sum idk

better support

[cursive thorn]

Shaman should be able to make healing crystals like the Yautja

Or a system where they use their hair to heal things

• sprites need to be made a few pixels taller then an average human

[dense crow]

wallahi never give tribals the ability to rev

[fallow lichen]

make them Shek

[cold vapor]

shek 🥀

[fallow lichen]

you heard me

[hexed pond]

They have no way of fixing IB's or fractures

[fallow lichen]

as the resident indigenous person i have an idea

give them fucking poultices as bandages, stops bleeding AND gives like a few units of bica 👍

[fallow lichen]

me praying on shek

shek or the four arm guys would be cool if not literal hell to do for the latter

[bitter edge]

Let us milk a plant for bic

[upper night]

Throwing mechanics need serious rework

till this is viable

I do not enjoy how throwing functions in 14 unlike 13 because its so slow and not strong at all exsist solely for exsisting and no other reason when it comes to combat stuff

even if you properly aim your spear by the time it reaches people they are no longer there