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@upbeat tree that's a neat idea actually. please post it in the brainstorming page (that you can find in the pinned message) and feel free to upvote others that you like
ok, thx @silk patrol good to know ๐
@upbeat tree One of my friends changed the welcome msg in Chat alerts to different languages. He even has one saying Welcome in Klingon. 
@misty wagon I have done this too. But I would like to see multiple sounds and images playing on stream when I get a follow. If I have a sound effect "Wow!" play when I get a follow, I don't want to hear that every time. I want to hear other things too.
I really like Stream elements, and it has allot of features that might make me switch from stream labs to this. One of the only things stopping me is not having variations to my follows and hosts. In Stream labs I would have different follow nottifications, and one really rare one. If the really rare one played I would say something and usually give them loyalty points too.
@silk patrol any way to keep my eventlist when I restart OBS?
no @sacred fiber ๐ฆ
So I may need a little help. I did the import from streamlabs, it pulled my donation info. For some reason I decided to do a second import, and it ended up doubling the info for my donations. Is there a way to correct this?
https://streamelements.com/dashboard/tipping and https://streamelements.com/dashboard/activity are options to edit @quasi skiff
where can I find the supported fonts?
@upbeat tree good question @proud pumice I know we support 840+ but not know of a list
Would be cool to see a list.
@upbeat tree they are working on a preview feature, because right now you have to click on each font to see how it looks like
Ah
I can get you the list if you really like, but we are changing that very soon
It is fine, I'll wait for the change.
@silk patrol any way to hide commands from the commands site?
Does the donation part read the message people write like Streamlabs does?
yes
@sacred fiber not yet, only disabled commands will be hidden
@snow bane yes, TTS is available when you edit the alert box
@misty wagon I went to the pages to reset the donation data, but the activities log still shows the doubled up donations. When I try to use the All time top donator widget it is reflecting those incorrect values.
@misty wagon I may have just found the solution...
wtf how am i suppose to add my KappaGen?
So im streaming now, and for one of my viewers the ingame chat overlay has the text not aligned with his name. For other viewers its fine
Just done that doesnt work
??
what doesnt work?
@covert sapphire its not in your overlay
its empty
did you save it?
i did do then i deleted it im in the middle of doing it again
no, use Studio
Well, I thought I had fixed it. I went to the my tips page and just deleted the duplicates. The all time top donator widget is still reflecting the double tip. Also just noticed that the follower goal is not reflecting my current amount of followers.
@quasi skiff you'll need to edit the session, go to activity feed and click on edit session on the right
No sorry won't use studio
@covert sapphire why tho? obs classic will not be supported anymore, obs studio is the new version.
why is it not supported ? stream out fine just one overlay that doesnt work
most of the new features on Twitch just dont work on classic
it doesnt have support for most things
@covert sapphire just like microsoft won't push any update for windows xp, obs won't push any update for the classic version. they spent a lot of time developing studio, they want people to use it
things don't last forever unfortunately ๐
Hey guys I was wondering if it is possible to keep the events on the event overlay for like the next time you stream or is that something that is comming?
Also I have the same problem with my chat overlay as @chilly stratus the message is not even aligned with the name. cheers!
@ionic barn unfortunately no, you can't keep what was inside the event list as of right now
a temporary fix is to replay the last alerts before starting your stream, but it's not perfect
thanks for the screenshot
it looks like it doesn't happen if you have like a mod badge or a streamer badge
I can't upload .mp4? Only gif for a video
ยฟHow do I promote a song with stream elements? Someone who knows it can tell me
@fierce sun What do you mean?
@upbeat tree This to move a song first as with Nightbot
Is there a reason my entire activity feed resets when I only press the reset button on one of the goals?
@fierce sun I can't seem to find a method to bump songs on the song request, would be a cool feature to see so be sure to post it on the requests page
@fierce sun check this Redemptionstore I think that's what you mean right? Promote a song to the first place. https://streamelements.com/randomgirlsinging/store @lone bridge I'd love to know that too ๐ can you post a how2 please?
Okay, I'm having a brain-fart... Where on the Dashboard can I go to edit bot messages for new followers, subscribers, etc.?
@misty wagon Yes like in the video displayed on the stream store page. But how do we make sure the video gets bumped to the top?
Chat Module
@placid spruce Under bot then modules it is the first one, Chat Alerts
@upbeat tree I just confessed above blushing that I don't know, don't make me go
twice
Ah, there it is... Thank you!
Can we reset donation goals ?
@misty wagon MB, Missed that message
From what I see I can't get it back to 0
Is there a reason my entire activity feed resets when I only press the reset button on one of the goals?
@lament blade You can indeed
@fierce sun @misty wagon you can tip to bump a song to the front of the queue in the youtube songrequest player ๐
Hello everyone! i have a question about kappa gen if anyone can help
sure
https://streamelements.com/dashboard/session @lament blade
yup?
@lament blade KappaGen is a widget in your overlay manager ๐
actually im new so im lost sometimes ๐
@edgy kindle Is there a reason my entire activity feed resets when I only press the reset button on one of the goals?
@lament blade any alert widgets or alert-based things will all be in your overlay manager. You'll have to add separate widgets and components
I believe all the buttons are linked @upper steeple
oh thank youuu ๐
@edgy kindle facepalm
I hope gonna see about asking on the site
No clue; @dense jackal @stuck hamlet Any clue?
How can I go about deleting a command that I made?
The dashboard is a bit wide
@visual shale can you elaborate?
but there should be a scroll bar on your "Custom Commands" page
@carmine flicker http://puu.sh/wdxNl/a999a699c7.png
OH the super themes!
@visual shale they should be coming out with them soon ๐
we have many more than just overwatch and pubg in development

@edgy kindle What about in a stream in which I moderate and not my own
You would have to delete the command in chat
@upper steeple i love your name but this seems like an unfortunstr bug
we are pinging devs now
Oh I'm stupid. I didnt see the command add/remove/etc thing
๐ all is well
@dense jackal thank you
May I ask a question?
did you raise your hand?
๐
yes custrain what's on ur mind
How do I change the time on which people recieve points? right now it's set to every 10 minutes, but I want to change it to 1 minute
So I can't change that?
^Not yet
@edgy kindle Is there a way to have the Recent tip widget to show more than 2 tips? Mine is only showing 2.
Anyone else having an issue with importing there points from Deepbot
Anyone has a 'generic' overlay to use?
@ornate cobalt there are premade overlays for different games, and even an IRL/creative overlay
IRL/Creative overlay?
yes, hang on, let me find it for you
Awesome
if you go into your overlay manager
create a new overlay in the dimensions you need (1080 or 720)
once you're in the overlay manager, look up at the top navigation
"themes"
scroll down, and you'll see one called "animated creative red."
at the moment, that's the only one that's not a "game" theme overlay that's pre-designed. They will be adding more themes eventually too
i understand, the user interface can be alittle confusing too
the drop down arrow menus can be a bit much to navigate and there's a LOT you can do!
I would suggest just playing in the widgets ๐
So there's a lot to learn ๐
add an event list, play with the text type and size
add kappa gen, play with the emotes.
@lone bridge do you know how to make the recent tip widget show more than 2 donations?
yeah I totally get it @ornate cobalt โค But this is where the fun really begins, you'll feel so proud of yourself to know you built it on your own.
@upper steeple strange, lemme take a look
haha! thanks ๐
if you need more help i'll be in and out, but as you can see there's tons of other SE folks who will be here too
Yea, I saw. Sounds like an awesome community already
@upbeat tree https://fonts.google.com/
@upper steeple i didn't think the most recent tipper was supposed to show more than one
i don't even know how to get two to show up.
@lone bridge that is the lastest tipper widget I think your talking about. I'm talking about the recent tips widget where is just like the donation ticker from streamlabs.
mine is not doing that Fluffy Butt, I can see all my tips scrolling through
is the user in question sure they have more than two tips in the SE system?
T_T mine only shows 2
or that previous tips from another service have been transferred?
I was wondering if I could get a hand, I can't seem to get my event list scrolling from the bottom upwards and there are no animations on the event list either. Any help would be appreciated!
all my tips have been imported from streamlabs
@upper steeple is it doing that in OBS or the overlay manager or both?
both
weird. And deleting the layer/relaunching overlay manager isn't working?
why is it working for me
lol
let me try
@humble quartz sure let's figure it out
@wanton jetty that may be something a developer might need to help with, Lemme reach out and see who might have a second
nope still only shows 2 tips and its not even updated tip amounts, its one from a long time ago and another is when i tested the alert
@lone bridge here or through DM ?
we can slide into those dms 
okay @upper steeple , that def sounds like a bug. not sure why it is working for me and not you. tagging @turbid reef @rapid tapir - not sure if you guys make a note of this stuff anywhere? Seems like there is a bug with the "recent tips" scroller -- some users are unable to have more than 2 tips scrolling on the display even with other tips imported.
okay i hope they fix it soon
@wanton jetty our lead developer is actually on a plane right now-- and he would be the best person for you to interface with about Deep Bot.
The top session donator widget... Is showing top all time donator. And I couldn't even reset it. It stuck to that one person.
Do you guys know why the mute text to speech doesn't work ?
mine doesn't get tts. maybe it is a new bug with the update
what does the jar do??
i see it everywhere lol
Well I have it disabled with 0% volume but it still goes off
Question! The loyalty bonuses don't seem to be working for a friend of mine and we're wondering if there is any bug with it right now? Or does the bot bonus it without announcing?
Just to check, have you clicked save recently? there are two places to turn it off (cheer and tipping). last thing I could think of would be to delete and readd the alert box widget
the bot does the bonus without announcing it
Yes I clicked save
Actually when Im trying this out, a lot of sounds are in the background, like they are duplicated
there might be multiple then
have you launched the overlay anywhere else?
do you have other overlays in OBS (or other software) that might still be active with a different overlay link
hmm
it does sound like you might have another alert box hidden somewhere, based on the multiple sounds you are hearing. I am going to tag @rapid tapir to see what he knows
@weary mist i think it was some kind of bug. I needed to put it again on new overlay, even duplicating old one didn't work
but now it works fine dunno why
Don't know what caused the issue but it was temporary
However, is there any way to enable text to speech only for donations of specific value and above ?
when I put for example 15 and make sample 8$ donation it still trigers
@turbid reef will be with you shortly
sorry, were severely understaffed today
since its a travel day for half the office
@lament blade make sure to check the boxes at the bottom https://i.nuuls.com/17M1q.png
how can i change the cup?
The cup is being completely redesigned
Hello, wondering for the layout editor - Is there a way to show a list of followers/scroll cycle effect?
@compact relic that isn't a feature yet. But I requested it so be sure to up cote my requests in the requested features page
Okay ๐
@atomic hollow or any staff: Is the host point bonus only valid once per day? If someone hosts at 8am, then unhosts and leaves, and then hosts again at 8pm would they would only get the bonus once?
there is a time limit on it, from what I have heard. so they would get it once, then have to wait some time before being able to get the bonus again. I just can't remember what that limit was
im hoping its once per stream to avoid people trying to take advantage of bonuses
I feel like it it's once per stream
Would be easier to code to only accept when online
Yeah. It was brought up before like 3-4 days ago. My brain is telling me 2 hours, but I can't be 100% sure that is what they said. I keep my host bonus at around 20 points, so if they stick around long enough to rehost me, they would be earning more points watching that hosting
you can get it every 5 hours max
imprints memory so I don't forget that agian
if you click My account, then Integrations and imports, you can import the points from there
I haven't seen it but is there a way that when I give out currancy to all people in chat it doesn't tell me how many people are in chat? I don't look at at viewer numbers and I don't want to know. I look at stats after a stream and not during.
that will be one to add to the list. the default command doesn't allow for editing what the bot says yet
yeah thats what I thought because I searched and searched.
I give out currancy for hitting me in the face with bits
The custom sound I'm trying to set up for stream alerts is not registering. still plays default
I haven't tried that out myself, but you are the second person I have heard that from.
odd that is
@pale heron Alright so your overlay
follower counters don't seem to track correctly? I and another streamer I know only see followers since we started using SE. Does anyone else have this issue (or a solution)?
Activity feed -> edit session
Im just attempting to use the stock h1z1 overlay to test it all out
@small field Are you trying to set a follower goal?
@pale heron Okay so when you hit Launch on your overlay did you make sure to save first?
For me it is a goal, for my friend it is just a count
@small field Okay so you'll want to go to Dashboard > Activity Feed > Edit Session
Yes i made sure to save
@pale heron And when you click launch how did you use the URL in OBS?
@small field You'll edit one of the top two options depending on your need
Got it, thank you!
as a browser source
Okay and what resolution did you set your overlay to when you made it in the manager?
1080p
I stream @ 1080p
You stream at 1920x1080 resolution?
yes
Ah okay
affiliate
Can you screenshot your OBS with the browser source in place?(dont display the properties of it)
@edgy kindle is there a way to set most recent follower or sub like you can tipper name in that page?
@small field Not that I know of
@small field If you want recent follower/sub I would suggest using the Event List module/widget
i know there is a widget for theose both individually
I use them
but it uses the twitch API to pull the information, so there is no way to set it I believe
Alrigh just walk with me here;
In overlay editor
http://puu.sh/wdMAX/460c01b775.png
This is what your screen looks like when loading the stock h1z1 theme right?
if you have w7+, there is the snipping tool ๐
And when you rightclick on your overlay and click properties do you have your resolution set properly?
again dont paste a screenshot of that information
your overlay url contains sensitive information
My guess is your resolution is currently default, 640x320, you'll have to increase it to 1920x1080
In the editor or in obs
in obs
@pale heron what's your streaming resolution?
okay cool
I got iti
@pale heron Whats your overlay/altert source resolution though; dont screenshot it
RIP
future reference i did not know that was there lmfao
its correct, but delete it. it has your specific api token
@pale heron Delete that please
I tried warning you not to paste the picture with your overlay properties
Hi... I have a new token from a user...let's see what can we do with it ๐
he resized it
derp, missed that message
@pale heron Please delete the image you posted
Alright its gone
lol
dont leak your token
^
it can be used to log in to your account
You cant post your URL for overlay anywhere
we are gonna change that because theres just too much user error possible
but give us time here ~~
well it's gone form the discord... but... If anyone it's interested I'm sellinga user token for 
@turbid reef is the head of changing overlay urls KappaHD
Champions need to be able to manage messages @rapid tapir cause what if someone does that when staff arent here
not up to me to decide
(he wants the power)
^
Any idea why i get a error when trying to import my deepbot points to the bot ??
It works fine using the key on my website
/:
ya know @edgy kindle they could just get a good discord bot
@ancient prism Already discussed them getting a discord bot and Perry said they're working on it soon
but either way
i know
That cant protect users from posting their tokens without just forbidding all users to post images
but if they had a better interm one you could do >prune 10
and it would delete the last 10 messages
or >prune @edgy kindle 10
and itll delete your last 10 messages
Never heard of it/seen it
oh man, you havent been around discord for long then :p
Ive been around discord since they first went public @stuck hamlet
i mean I do moderate for multiple 5000+ member servers

and even the creater of Mee6 says its not trash but not the best
lol
Anyone ??
Ive been using discord since about june/july of 2015
I am not sure @wanton jetty
@wanton jetty about the problem with the import from deepbot?
I just get a error when it tries to import
But my website gets the info perfectly fine
tell us more about the error
when you say "website" you mean "your profile page in streamelements"?
No
I mean MY website
It pulls info perfectly fine from deepbot
But streamelements isnt pulling my points from deepbot
normally styler is the one that does that stuff, and he is out today :/
did you follow these steps?
Streamelement/deepbot is a temp bot anyway im having a full website, bot and API designed anyway
My bots running 24/7
And my website uses the Secret key to pull info lol
well, then we have to wait for @tawny pivot to check the problem.
Okays
is there a way to Pay-To-Win on Stream Elements, or it's just F2P atm?
Lol
What do you mean? @spring ferry
like how you can pay to win on twitch with twitch prime/turbo, can you do that on Stream Elements?
I'm asking for my own personal, egotistical self, lol
lol
Uh...There is no pay to win on twitch
There is no feature for you to sub to us, but we do take
bribes
Hello @forest thorn how may we help you ๐ฏ
Would anyone here be able to explain the ranking system in Stream Elements, please?
Thanks, @misty wagon
It's not really a ranking system, that is on the feature list. It's a tier system for the different type of users
Also, is there an auto-regular feature? For example, at a certain rank or hours viewed, they are able to automatically become a regular?
Everyone, Regular, Subscriber, Moderator, Supermoderator, Caster (you)
Ah, so 300 for regular, 500 for mod, and 1000 for super-mod!
Auto-regular is on the feature list too.
also, 250 is subscriber
I like the mix of your overlay system and backend analytics - it's like multiple (popular) platforms in one!
The number imply we are prepared for something like auto-regular, we just have to get rid of the backlog since Revlo's demise.
2,5 months into beta now and counting
It is said, we are popular +1 
Well, keep up the great work! I'm very impressed and happy with everything and have moved everything over to SE
I aseriously have to talk to the manager about adding that emoji 
I'm a small streamer (affiliate), but have been recommending SE to many i've met via Twitch, and we all want to see this platform succeed.
haha
We appreciate that @forest thorn
And thank you, @misty wagon and @weary mist , for being quick to respond
I was talking like how on twitch prime/turbo you get special badge, and no ads, and free game content, and shit like that, was just wondering if there was something like that for stream elements. I was joking about the p2w part, lol
For sure, the future might be bright for you @spring ferry :fortunecookie:
Not necessarily getting badges or free content from Stream elements, but just like a support the devs type thing with whatever recognition would be offered
Well if you don't want the free content, we have to find someone else. But we like free choice and respect yours. ๐ฏ
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the free content, just sometimes, I like p2w for exclusivity lol
Question: I made a Follower/Host alert overlay with StreamElements, but the sounds for the alerts don't play on stream (on Twitch), even though they do play in OBS. Is this a glitch or am I not using the overlay alert correctly?
if it plays in OBS, that probably means there is something wrong with your audio source settings
When importing tips from Streamlabs it duplicates already imported tips, any way for this not to happen?
I can't seem to get the stream alerts to work properly on my stream. When I test the different things (follow, cheer, host, ect.) some of them work sometimes and others sometimes don't.
Seems like the problem is mostly with the cheer alert
It won't show on stream, but shows on preview. Also, customizing the image and sound for the Cheer alert doesn't do anything.
Seems I've gotten all other alerts to work
for the cheers, do you have a minimum set?
So I had my first tip via the SteamElements tip feature during my stream today. The problem that I ran into was 1. No alert popped up, 2. No event list of the tip and 3. Nothing shows up in the Leaderboard section of the tip page. Any help to reslove this issue would be appreciated.
Does it show up on My Tips page?
@weary mist It does. It shows the date, time, donator, amount and message. Oh, and it also didn't give them any loyalty points for the donation.
weird, its almost as if it didn't count as a tip. first time something like that has happened.
None of the alerts for my store are working when I redeem them but it works when I do a 'test'
I will put it to the attention of the guy that looks at that for you
is there a known issue with it or would it be on my end?
Not sure MindWaves. It could be either way. Just make sure to save the overlay, and refresh the broswer source in obs
I can redeem it off the website and it works but it's not working when i redeem it in chat?
That part is odd. It should play either way
And I checked 'redeemable in chat'
Damn. I really want to switch from revlo but that's stopping me x_x
Wow. I'm retarded. I had the '!redeem' command turned off in the command section
XD
thx again tho
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Any idea why when people give me bits it does 2 notifications? One cheer notification through streamlabs that shows nothing but the sound and then the streamelements one with both popup and sound? Anyway to just make it do one or the other?
You could turn off the streamlabs one, if you click it and hit delete it will go away
do you have any other browser sources on any other scenes?
Sure I haven't updated all my scenes yet but if I'm not on a scene with streamlabs it shouldn't matter
well, browser sources stay open even when you are not on the scene, so it could be playing that sound from the other scene
turn this on, and make them invisible should help
What does it mean not visible? Like when its not on the scene?
like click the eye
well the eye is just for that specific scene. It was on because I had it on for the other scenes but I clicked that checkbox and it works but the issue now is if people donate through streamlabs it won't show up anymore and I can't switch to streamelements for tips because of credit card tips for streamlabs that isn't offered from what I can see by SE yet. Is there a way for it to show streamlabs alerts through SE's overlay?
Bot shows up in stream, gets modded and then leaves.
@rapid axle we have experiencing a high influx of people, it causes the bot to derp every now and then. Give it a shot to join again
@strong basalt there is more options coming soon, but in the meantime, you could edit the streamlabs so that it only shows tip alerts, and everything else through SE
Yeah that was the plan. Was hoping to be able to have emotesplosions for tips too though ah well. Hope to see that available in the future. Like the service all the same 
โค they are looking at a portal to allow a lot more options, coming soon ๐
@weary mist How do I get it to join again?
go to the dashboard, have it part channel if the option is there, then have it join again
@weary mist got that. it left again :/
make sure it isn't banned for any reason /unban StreamElements
StreamElements is not banned from this room.
Does StreamElements hand out points when the channel is on Vodcast mode?
Not too sure, that is a very new feature of twitch
Yeah, that's why I thought I'd ask.
it would be a good thing to test, I just don't have vod's to put up
Oh one more question, is there passive point gain while I'm offline or only when I'm online and is there a way to set it to only when I'm online/both online and offline?
or make it so you earn quarter or half of the usual amount of points while offline
No, bot will stop tracking as soon as you go offline
Viewers can still gamble and such, but not gain points
Ah alright, any plans to include offline point gain as a seperate option in the future? I'd like to see a customizable offline point gain in the future. I know other bots have offered this too.
Not afaik. People would just go afk in chats to gain points. Personally not my favorite
mmk, just voicing my opinion because it is a feature I miss from ankhbot. Was a nice way to let viewers get some extra point gain and I get more people in my chat when stream starts. win-win.
I would make a case for that. My arguement is using the Twitter module. It posts my tweets in the chat, so I would like to reward those people in my chat for staying, even if its a very small number of points every ten minutes (like .25 or something). I got you Little Gamie
yay, and yeah thats what I would do. I'd set offline point gain to about a quarter or so of usual point gain, I just don't see a downside to giving the user more available options since ya'll are trying to make a "one stop" service for Twitch users
good point @weary mist I might rethink my opinion
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hm still, but it takes to long to explain; multiplatform strategy Twitch is just a part in the bigger machine so unless the chat they stay in is SE profile, I'd say: ๐ซ ๐
chat they stay in is SE profile?
https://streamelements.com/lattemotte If you stream on multiplatforms, viewers can just go here
The only issue I see with that is Twitch affiliates can't stream on multiplatforms since their contracts make their live content exclusive to Twitch for 24 hours. And asking our viewers to go to a specific different link to watch our stream and earn points would probably just destroy any interest dead in its tracks.
Plenty of those will trow away their affiliate and even sub contracts getting the option to spread their wings. Other solutions will offer themselves ๐ Users can go to any plaform they want including SE
In fact, I will be the first to rip up the contracts for the streams I handle. Hate it to be limited
And in some cases like the Fox Sports Netherlands that I handle, Twitch will come begging and rip out the clause ๐
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I really disagree only because affiliates will soon get sub buttons and already have bits + available revenue from the Twitch Store now. Streaming on Beam and YT isn't really viable yet and may never be. However on Twitch there is only room to go but up and soon just streaming baseline will give you a sub button which is insanely huge.
The option to spread your wings has always been out there and a lot of people didn't take it. Now with Twitch Affliate theres even less reason to take it.
I think the best option to have in those situations is options in general, in regards to the points during offline. I think if it was an option for people to turn on if they wanted it, people can choose what works best for them. Revlo would let you opt in to hand out points during Host Mode, and I think a similar thing for StreamElements would be a wonderful thing
Let's do math; on average 10% converts to subs, good channels get 20% so a channel with 10K followers will have 100 subs (after the hype month is over). That's $500 - 50% split (or worse) - tax = $175 bucks.
Add the same amount in bits and that makes $200 net/net. Now add first a GameWisp/Patreon alternative and then add YT audience, Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Instagram, Azubu, Afreeca, etc.. rips contract.
That may be true Little Gamie, but at the same time, if a service offers you a viable option to a Sub button for ALL those services?
@atomic ridge that's already possible with host
Hey guys
Hi Veexer, but I should be sleeping for real now it's past 6AM
Is it now?! Never seemed that way. Is it an option I turn on?
Well the thing is a lot of viewers won't sub if its not through Twitch itself, and the viewer engagement and retention rate will also go down if you add these hoops like "click this specific link to watch my stream to its full value."
I didn't really want to make this a debate. Just wanted to say theres nothing wrong with choice and gating an option to users because you personally don't like it doesn't sit well with me if your trying to brand this service as a replacement for revlo, ankhbot, streamlabs, etc.
anyone had a problem with a bot that he joins a channel but doesnt respond to any commands even though they are turned on?
90% of the affiliates will never get sub, it's aint a stepup system. Also you only get paid after it reaches $100, untill then Twitch uses your savings to pay big streamers and thus control the negative company's cashflow which reflects on their stockprice (Amazon).
I was having that issue on Monday @lament blade
did it autofix?
We solved that issue on Monday. Is it happening now @lament blade ?
yeah i checked it 5 mins ago
bot joins the chat says that its running
but doesnt respond
Please link your twitch to your discord profile. I want to have a look
Twitch doesn't take the money from you it takes the money from the viewer regarding bits. With subs its a flat 50/50 rate unless you belong to an esports org or something of that nature. That's for all partners. No one is saying it's a "step up" system either and the affiliate to partnership statistic is a little skewed since literally any regular streamer on the site will get affiliate nowadays and the amount of streamer burn out/quitting has always been very, very high.
@strong basalt let's agree to disagree. A lot of what you say are assumptions not facts oke. For example, I have a 70/30 channel, 2 60/40 and none 50/50.
The sub rates are assumptions sure, but the bits and streamer burn outs are well known.
Does anyone have issues using the Kappagen emotes in OBS using the Browser CLR plugin, rather than OBS Studio?
Fair enough
hey my bot is sending duplicate messages, anything I can do about that? I already made it depart and rejoin
and now my bot wont respond to commands
sec
We got death taken care of
yo, you have pretty voice
but i cant answer
obs uses my microphone
and you just talked on my stream XD
Aww I am so sorry 
yo, dont be sorry
Thank you for the compliment
come www.twitch.tv/veexer
๐
commands arent working in my chat anyone else have this issue
Hey wolfy, we have had a few people this happened to. let me see what I can find out
Could I get your twitch channel?
@sturdy walrus
try to re-add the bot to your channel
ok
Looks like everything is working now!
regarding the kappagen widget. I've been using it from the website directly until now and would like to start using the widget instead. However, I had it set so it starts behind my cam and comes up from my back only in a certain area (if that makes sense) I can't see how I can adjust that in the streamelement widget (basically just defining a starting area and then they go over that upwards and fade out depending on the timer.
Hey, would anyone know how to set a start date for the tip goal widget? It seems to take tips from prior the start into account and I can't figure it out
ok so i run a friday night chat party in my channel. in chat i put the jackbox room code in a command. i think using the variable ${args.word} would work but it is not.
@worn pivot adding @rapid tapir to this, he is the Kappagen guy, lets wait for him to wake up though
@frosty urchin just reset session
@left heath can you please explain what you mean? not familiar with that
I want to use a command like !jackbox TEST to put out a chat anouncment about the current room code.
Ah ok. well thanks foer try8ing
@left heath do you mean you use !jackbox test and then the bot announces "room code is test"?
yes exactly
If so the variable is ${1}
oh sweet trying that now. thanks @unkempt oasis
So you'd have room code is ${1} as your commabd
oh, I misunderstood you then 
thank you @unkempt oasis that worked 
Np :)
@rapid tapir can you help with the above Kappagen question?
ill have to do that later, sorry
np
remind me if I forget
uh, just disable "use entire screen for emotes", move the widget to cover the area the emotes should be in and make sure to have the overlay behind your camera
@worn pivot
@rapid tapir but that makes the emotes come from the whole screen as well not just a starting area? right?
thanks btw both of you ๐
err I meant - sorry..that will have the emotes only appear within that box and they get cut off on the sides?
trying again - at least that happened when I tried that
yeah the box cuts them off on the sides - the original kappagen has a spawn point set but it's not a box that was limiting the movement of the bubbles
Alright,
can you re-explaine what you want?
I am talking about the spawn zone ๐
Benni is being rushed with a bunch of stuff, and he hasn't been able to add spawn zone yet.
it would start them there then have them float above in a big radius that wasn't limited - if I use the box in streamelements it will cut off the sides and limit the view of the emotes
but there is a few work around, depending on what you want
ah right - didn't mean to bug about this - it's just a little thing I was wondering about ๐
I know everyone here is super busy ๐
I think what I would like is just not 100% possible atm but that's no big issue. It's just cosmetic anyway ๐
i made a quick drawing to understand properly
it start behind your cam, and goes everywhere
correct?
Thats what you want?
@worn pivot @stuck hamlet haven't been following all of this - but what if for the time being since there is no spawn zone you used the bubble option for alerts? then it would always spawn from bottom 
@lone bridge yeah I figured ๐
@stuck hamlet yeah it's just the spawn zone that's missing the benny had on the original one. all good ๐
i was going to reccomend this with bubbles: http://www.onslaught.ca/s/ub9b3w4q.png
the green person is you btw 
that doesn't work - since the bubbles don't go out the area ๐ but no worries. I got my answer. Thanks for the help though!
haha, no problem. Benni is super talented, so im sure he'll add it in no time ๐
for sure ๐
LUL

LUL
Hello, I have a question
My subscriber goal from yesterday is still on the counter
how can I reset the counter for my next stream?
you can go to https://streamelements.com/dashboard/session
but did you keep your obs open?
I close OBS after every streaming session
hmm
ONe more qquestion, what is the command to show the Uptime on your stream?
!uptime
But how do I add it in my overlay?
I would like to add a text on my overlay, so it shows on steam how long I've been up
ALright thanks buddy!
Is there any way to ad dosme temporary black background or some overlay to make all this text more viisble ?
which test?
I am having a bug where people can't lose at slots. It happened after I changed the default commands, and specifically removed the emotes
well, how many emotes are left?
@lament blade which text? you can add a black image on your overlay, or create another one
@silk patrol All text, For follower, to pdonaitons, and all. it's just pure white. I know you can change the colro but in photosohp it doesn't make a difference, th etetx ir unreadable
Without anything behind it, like even a small box or smth. And there's no way to make solid color blocks that would serve as temporayr template ?
@lament blade you can change the text color, isn't there one that suits you? you can create a background in photoshop to put behind your text, like most people do ^^
is there a way for me to have my raffle tickets be redeemed by loyalty points for a prize?
^you Dansgame
FIGHT!!!
Idk how. I just fetal position
@vast wren its you on livechat?
yeah thats me
i reallized there was live chat shortly after i posted here lol
my bad
is anyone else getting 502 bad gateway when trying to get into stream elements
is the bot down?
@atomic hollow is updating
couple of seconds guys, sorry
you will be.. jks โค
Bot isn't responding to any commands in @lone bridge stream, other than getting it to leave and rejoin the channel anything else to try?
I believe they just restarted
Was hoping the twitch chat overlay would have been fixed, but then realised its been less than a day since I brought it up
The bot still dont respond to commands?
@sterile dock it's back
readys up
putting on gloves
cracks neck
Hi, Im currently messing with the Loyalty Settings - wanted to know if its possible to redeem Transparent gifs / videos.
goes to the bathroom
Say my viewer has enough Loyalty Currency - he wants to redeem a rain of pogchamps
on my Screen
is that possible?
@sturdy sedge nope, but you can use KappaGen with store redemptions
it will be triggered by any store redemption tho
^^
already having problems finding KappaGen though ๐
overlay manager --> widgets
@sturdy sedge overlay manager
KappaGen is now a part of StreamElements! Got any questions? Join us on Discord: http://bit.ly/StreamElementsDiscord
manager->editor->widgets you forget the most crucial step!
It prompts me to define a Game - is that a requirement or can i get a Overlay to be global aswell?
yes!
welp - bot down again?
@sturdy sedge seems like it
darn it ๐
alerts are working, only the chat bot is down
I am having an issue with points not being given when someone donates cash donations, but it works when people donate bits.
Us either, SE down?
And I'm getting chat alerts for follows that happened half an hour ago
bot and alerts were down for a few minutes guys, they are getting called retroactively now
sorry for that
โค
@left jolt using SE donations?
I currently do not have it hooked up to SE donations I am using Stream labs for alerts
is that an issue?
I thought they would work because of bits working
we have no way to know about the donation then
ok
bits is throught Twitch
Anyone else having trouble running commands in chat right now? Mine are completely broken atm it seems
we are fixing it right now, sorry for the trouble
Okay, thanks! โฅ
โค thank you for understanding
I gotta come back one more time to the Redeem thing. - Ive got the grip of Kappagen now but this would mean that theres no real way for someone to use e.g "!redeem Salt" which would promp an animation that sprays salt ontop of my facecam?
for the cost of some currency
No commands, or kappagen or songrequest. is the bot still down? i did re-join and still doesnt work ..
Is there a reason that my recent tips widget is not even showing the correct recent tips? It is showing random tips that I have recieved and none of them are recent ones.
@sturdy sedge as of right now no. Feel free to submit your request using the link in the pinned message
@upper steeple have you imported tips recently? you can go to activity feed -> edit session to change that
@arctic linden it was. but it's back. Sorry for the trouble
I did import tips recently
Okay Fine ๐ - Thanks but there are no pinned messages :c not in #helpdesk-twitch at least
@sturdy sedge my bad, it's in #๐ญ๏ธฑfeedback-and-ideas
@silk patrol cause the names of the recent tips that should be scrolling across on the widget aren't there, its just random tips that I had received a long time ago.
Still not working tho, how do I fix it? :/
Hey there i am live, and my bot is online but not responding anymore. it stopped when i turned on song request.
^same
Bot is restarting now guys, sorry for the trouble
When using the Stream Store - and say someone Buys a mp3 File that is supposed to play a Sound on Stream, what exactly plays the Sound? where does it come from? - i just bought my Own item from the Store and no Sound. Is that connected to the Bot being down? Since i didnt really connect a Media Source or similiar...
The sound plays through the store redemtion alert
so you have to have that on your overlay
thank you ๐
Ah i See
@atomic hollow Is there a reason that my recent tips widget is not even showing the correct recent tips? It is showing random tips that I have recieved and none of them are recent ones.
@upper steeple our system was restarted which caused a bit of unplanned mess, everything should be fixed in a few minutes
@atomic hollow roger that
โค
was wanting to transfer my entire overlay over to streamelements and that was the only thing messed up lol
@atomic hollow I heard there was issues with the alert sound volume. Is that fixed?
I don't want viewers ears to explode lol
oh
Is there any options with alerts to set up variations?
like for example a different gif pops up if a certain amount is donated or random gifs for different amounts
Oh i see!
Thank you!
Setting up a new system is confusing sometimes. Not use to this layout before. Thank you for your help.
Hi i just wanted to tell you thatt your website is really helpful for me since i knew that revlo will be shutdown..But there is 1 and unique default on your website in the streamstore part....When i add a song to my animations even if i put the volume lower it doesn't change anything that's why i can't even use it properly...Hope you'll fix it โค
Sorry if my english is bad
And how do i add my animations into obs?
For the sound part, there are two places to turn it up or down: on the store item itself in the second level of the item, and on the overlay in the store redemption widget. For the animation, if you want it to be a part of an alert/redemption, you click on the alert widget in the editor, click the gear next to which alert you want to change (if store redemption, skip this part), click change image
then
then
Yeah but when i turn the volume down it doesn't change anything from the start
Yes i did
ok, @atomic hollow will put a bug into the right dev's ear to check it out 
are you talking about the overlay, or animations you have on your computer
Yeah
With link whitelisting, is it possible to whitelist certain domains? For example: flickr, instagram
@atomic hollow those follows rolled in once the bot was up again. LUL
I thought someone was followbotting me
Is there a way to set up global alerts using this bot? So alerts that pop without me having to make an overlay for every single game I play?
defining a game is only for sorting purposes, you can use one overlay for everything if you want. I have 4 overlays for 4 different games, but that is because I have moved things around so items work with the game
I use my Overwatch overlay for Doom, my Minecraft overlay for rocket league, lol
much thanks ๐
@summer forge, try adding a * to the end and seeing if that works. I know that is what is used in the song request blacklist and the bad word moderation
@prisma rune, if you are adding an overlay, you can Launch Overlay, copy that link, and put it into a Browser Source on OBS. Just make sure to adjust the dimensions to match what your Overlay dimensions are. Popular is the 1080p, which dimensions are 1920x1080
i still haven't figured out how to add the alerts like the ones i have in streamlabs on obs via streamelements
can someone help me??
yes. All the alerts at SE are cloud based. That way if you have to switch computers, all you have to is put in the same link on the new obs. Plus, you can reduce the number of browser sources you use in OBS, which reduces strain on your CPU
the overlay editor is pretty powerful, and you can get all your alerts through the one source. I went from having around 15 or so things on my obs scene to 4-5
it depends on how you want to do it. If you have the images hosted on your computer for the image overlays, you don't have to recreate that in SE.
You can just create an overlay that handles alerts
i think i'm going to do that
i just have to create an overlay with only the alertbox and add it throught OBS. right??
what is that??
when ever someone types a emote in your chat, like 
it shows up on your screen, and maybe bounces, or just appears for a few seconds
ooh i saw it in a couple of streams! it's actually pretty cool
your viewers will be able to show their appreciation and reactions, and have it recorded live for their entertainment
I love it, haha
I have it covering my 1920x1080 screen, lol
do you have a browser source for twitch chat?
can i put the kappagen with the alertbox?? or is it recommended to create a different overlay??
you can do it all in one. I have everything I need in one link. Cheer cup (which is getting an upgrade), kappagen, alerts (follower, cheer, tip, etc), store redemptions, twitch chat, overlay images/videos, text for recent/top tipper/cheer
its all in the one, I don't have any text files to manage anymore
this is my OW
its animated
and here is what the editor looks like, lol
everything can be moved around individually, hidden, unhidden, resized
looks cool, it's a bit of work to recreate all my scenes, but i guess that one day i'll do that
for the moment i'll just use the alerts so that when someone donates me or cheers he'll get the fidelty points
automagically
Also, don't forget to set up your Tipping page and update your panel. The SE tipping page is designed to make mobile tipping easier, which is awesome as 35% of twitch viewers watch from a mobile device
yup, already done
i came to SE mainly for the fidelty function (the revlo-like)
and the function that gives points automatically when someone follow/tip/cheers is awesome
yeah, a lot of people are. I did, but I didn't expect to find something that could replace all my other bots at the same time ๐
Just don't forget to update your panel. It is still showing streamlabs, which won't pop an alert through us
oh yeah, same. I got all my commands imported too
you mean the browsersource on obs??
oh yes, i'm still setting up SE
and hell, I wish I had your internet connection
I get about 10% of what you get
and that is from my phones hotspot... my wired connection sucks...
friends tell me that Kappagen Sound files via !redeem are very very quite and i already set it to 100% how do i further increase it?
im not sure that kappagen has sound? I don't see an option to edit sound on the widget
@weary mist 's channel
๐
What was the command to mod chatbot? Just /mod chatbot?
what are the defaults for the slots module? i changed the default messages and emotes, and now every time people win regardless
thanks !!
hey all this may be the wrong room to post this sorry but how do i set up the twitter module ?? to work
I got you, perfect channel
type your twitter name where the arrow is
hit enter. SAVE. Enable module. Done
ok thanks @weary mist
๐ let me know if you need anything else
will do buddy
Im guessing subs come threw as normal subscription from gamewisp yh
also @tawny pivot can you help me please with exporting my points from deepbot ??
he should be able to assist with both of those
@wanton jetty how many users do you have in your DB user list ?
Has anyone else had a problem with uploading images to stream elements using Internet Explorer?
Okay I opened the console and an error gets reported upon clicking the submit button, are the image uploades broken right now then?
Internet Explorer in 2017 
Yeah I don't use it... A friend uses it
I did
Chrome or Firefox
he wont use chrome rofl
SE is optimized for chrome
lul
My recent tips widget is still not updated with the recent tips and it is still showing random tips that I have recieved.
There is a section where you can manually change that
I'm trying to find it right now I cant remember where it is
I'm not talking about the latest tipper widget, I'm speaking of the recent tips widget that is just like the donation ticker from streamlabs. I know how to change the latest tipper widget via the activity feed, but I can not change the recent tips widget on what tips it is currently having scroll across my overlay.
how do i add my animations in teh streamstore into obs ?
@prisma rune do you use the stream elements overlay?
no why ?
that's how you add it, there is a store widget for the overlay that you can add which has notifications when people redeem store items
similar to how the revlo overlay worked
Overlay Manager -> Edit Overlay -> Widgets
Store Redemptions -> Add
then just position it how you would like
thank you โค
np ๐
@upper steeple The recent tips widgets gets its list of tips from the "My Tips" page
then I'm not sure, staff should be able to help, sorry I wasn't able to
np
@weary mist Did you ever have a chance to mess with the timers?
No, I keep getting distracted, or I forget what I was going to make a timer for, lol
Send me some ideas, and I will play with it after my meetings today
Hello, i just added the overlay link to obs and sound is ok but no image? How can i fix it
@weary mist You'd basically make 2+ timers with different settings and see if you can get them both to trigger. Would be nice when a dev can look at the actual code for them.
Hey! A remark for the lotalty system. I set the "Bonus point for tipping 1$" to 1000. I'm Danish, and some of my users donated 5 DKK (~1 USD), but StreamElements views it as 5 USD = 5000 points instead of around 1000. A minor thing, but I just noticed. ๐
How is it wrong @pliant linden ? $1=set points so if they donated/tipped 5$ they got 5x what the point set was
Noticed, just make sure you keep the same ratio bits = 0,01ct, dollar=100ct. Had one streamer giving 1000 lp per bits and 1000 per $1
@edgy kindle - It was 5 DKK, not 5 USD. But yeah, I might just have to do a ratio instead. I'll look into that tomorrow. Cheers
So is there a way to manually fire Kappagen? On the old system you could use !kappagen customsplosion, is that still a thing?
I wouldn't know @hearty flare but #322361432937070592 we have experts waiting
well prolly not waiting but it would help shouting to wake them up a bit
Sent a twitter message but maybe I could ask here, does tipping support song requests simliar to streamlabs?
Perfect! Thanks @weary mist
๐
For the points awarded with tips, is it per $1? For example its 500 points per $1 or per tip even if its $20?
per $
and it spreads it out. If someone donates 14.50, they will get the 14500+.5250 (I think. this is what I have experienced with bit/dollar donations)
Thanks! Just experimenting and loving the amount of features so far over streamlabs, just making sure that I am not missing something along the way ๐
yeah, no problem! ask any questions you have. If I don't know, I will learn it right along with you ๐
@weary mist any idea of why my recent tip widget is not scrolling the correct recent tips that show on my tips page along my overlay?
I am not too sure. I only have 1 tip, lol, so I can't test it on mine. @tawny pivot might know why, or be able to bug the guy that does
@weary mist cause i have everything moved over to SE for my overlay but that is the only thing that is not working right.
Hopefully it will be an easy fix, or they will know (who) what smack to fix it. I know the devs are very focused and determined to get contest out ASAP. As soon as we get a response, they will @ you, and I could even DM you if you want
@weary mist DM would be greatly appreciated cause I don't want to switch to my overlay on SE until everything is right cause I want to get rid of Streamlabs, since it always pisses me off
have you taken any tips through SE since you started setting it up, or are you waiting to switch that until everything is set?
(just had a minor thought that might help)
@upper steeple
@weary mist no all tips are through streamlabs at the moment, I have imported my tips though. But it still isn't even showing the tips that were imported in the recent tips widget, just shows random tips that I have recieved in the past.
I have a theory
underline theory
hypothesis i think would be the better term
I think, that because all your tips were imported, thus appearing at the same time, they may have gotten out of order. That is my best guess. Would you try something for me? On the my tips page, you can add a tip. If you add one, see if it come up on the cycling list.
Damn. Well, it was worth a shot
I've been told that the imported isn't the best, but they are working on fixing it.
well poo T_T
how do you make command timers that go off every X minutes/X chat lines?
e.g., if i wanted the bot to post my socials every hour
Is there a document that one can read that describes all the general functions and parameters for StreamElements yet?
do i have to write the text again or can i make it do a command automatically
Does anyone here know what the purpose behind the {args} variables are (From the chat commands). It looks like it could possibly be very useful but I can't wrap my head around its use.
@terse yew at the bottom left, if you scroll down, you'll see timers!
yeah i'm on it!
i see that i can insert text that will repeat
i was wondering if theres an option that to make a command repeat every Xmins
is that makes sense
if*
[UX Suggestion] When clicking the top link to join the discord, open a new window.
[UX Suggestion] Not sure if there is a way to change the time viewers recieve points "Will receive 1.0 NUKES every 10 minutes."
@terse yew like ${1} will return the first word after the command. (Let's say my command is "welcome to the stream ${1}") "!welcome Onslaught" returns "welcome to be stream onslaught" basically
Support on mobile is hard
wait what LOL
@harsh slate second one is being done already!
Okay this might sound stupid.. but are currency points only awarded when the stream is live? Or as long as bot is in chat?
Yes, only when live.
Cool, thanks a bunch Onslaught!! ๐
for example in timers i wrote
hoping it would type out my commissions command but it just does this
In the "message" portion, you need to write what you want it to say ๐
oh okay so there isnt an option for me to select a command to repeat
Not yet! But maybe soon.
okay! thanks for clarifying. it would be really helpful if there was so then i only need to update one section if i change my socials, for example ๐
I agree. Mention it in #๐ญ๏ธฑfeedback-and-ideas and you can vote on it on our feature request website
Going to bed now. Catch you guys later!
Anyone's cheer/bits audio sound super .... broken/peaking/scratchy etc?
I am having an issue here my alerts are cut off. I was told before it was a resolution problem before but i forgot what i have to do to fix it. Anyone able to help me out?
Yes.
Check your OBS properties on the Browser source. it is probably left at the default width and height

hey Styler
Hey 
hopefully you can either point me in the right direction, or help these peeps out. Have a few experiencing sound issues
and one experiencing issues with the rotating list of last donors
Like not showing at all, not rotating or?
not showing the right tips
it shows some random ones. We even added a new tip, and it would not show up on the list
Wait not theirs or old ones?
I'll take a look into it, just throw me a PM if you see more of that
sounds good. Thanks for checking it out
Idk where to put this but, when i transfered my stream labs data to stream elements the bit variation for bits did not transfer at all.
Yeah we are aware of it ๐
ok
Hey, so does anyone know why the bot isnt giving out points for bits/follows/ect? It is tracking points for being there in chat, but not for anything else. The options are enabled
hmmm. I am not sure. It is a difficult thing to track. I did just check a couple of my most recent follows, and it does look like the points were credited. Bits are harder. give me a minute, just want you to know I am looking
Thanks ^.^
The first problem I see is that the bot is not in your chat. I do not know if that will make a difference, but its a good start, lol
my settings look like this:
Hers are this
can you link her stream for me?
The sponsorship program has ended BUT IM STILL PLAYING!!! Black Desert Online! Come check it out and get it yourself !bdo for Details!
@turbid reef, not sure if it is you who would know this, but is there a time frame people would expect to get points for a follow? Vahri's channel here seems to be having some issues, though I can't be 100% sure without more information. I jumped onto her channel, bot is there, and followed. She is offline, so I wouldn't gain any points from that. At this time, I have yet to recieve any points for a follow, and it looks like it is supposed to be 10.
@grave spire I also have to highly recommend that she double check those settings and make sure she pressed the save button at the bottom of the page.
I've tried that a few times ๐ I will try again though. Thanks for trying to figure this out though, really appreciate it ๐
No problem
Hey all. Setting up a new overlay and set custom gif and sound to play in the alert box.. there seems to be a glitch because it plays the stock sound and my regular soundclip... any ideas?
that is something that is known, and they are working on fixing it
sooooooooo im trying to get SE all set up for next week when i get back to my streaming schedule. i got some things figured out but not everything. I ran into a small issue the other day with some dude comeing in a spamming some dumb shit and it continued but i thought i had it set to stop that so i guess what im asking is i need help with settings and stuff
Okay that's a broad perspective. Was it like a wall of text then you could use the Paragraph in spam filters.
question about song request... is they a way to change the order of the playlist? like bump a song to the top if someone tips?
yea it was wall spam
Yes you can make it a redemption in the store when someone tips. Example: https://streamelements.com/randomgirlsinging/store
and i did have paragraph on
lower the paragraph # @visual sail to for example 200
latte I saw that but struggled on how to do it.
got it thanks @misty wagon
I know there is a video in the making for that @silver plover Have to admitt, I didn't figured it out yet either. Lemme see if someone knows
I was able to make something using points but I have to manually bump the song but have no idea how to do that . I walso want to mae a song request with a tip
also on my SE profile page if I'm hosting someone how come the video doesnt show?
Hey @silver plover. I'll get you some quick screen shots. Give me 2 minutes
@silver plover if you go to your Song Request page, then in the upper right corner, click the settings link
are mods able to add/edit timers? or can only the streamer do that through the dashboard?
then they will be able to request a song at the same time as tipping @silver plover , and it will promote it to the top of the song request list
@weary quest not yet, dashboard access for mods is in the works. timers are only for broadcaster to edit at this time
thanks

i mean wat
Not for my channel, probably should have stated that