battlefield-2042

[slim junco]

Wow what a contribution to the convo

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I am shutting down myself

[slim junco]

No we need ya

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[slim junco]

https://tenor.com/view/got_you_comrd-gif-18083198

[bronze steeple]

[bronze steeple]

Alt f4

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good night

[bronze steeple]

Bit gay to me

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Hi there

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hello sander

dude is playing bf2042 on steamdeck

https://youtu.be/UqXfoDkP9o8

30 fps on steamdeck 😱

🤣

[slim junco]

More stable than old gen console

[maiden bear]

arghh i hate the bug when you spawn to a vehicle and then go on foot, you cant ADS anymore

where can we report bugs?...

[bronze steeple]

Lol hope you are better then him

[river zinc]

To god

[topaz field]

yet some people with 3080 gtx are struggling to get 20fps

[topaz field]

thats a damn lie lmao

[slim junco]

I know

[topaz field]

i cant wait to get off work so i can play today

1hr of work remaining 🙂

[silk surge]

Stealth heli

[topaz field]

nerf soon come on that 30mm cannon its to fast 🙂

or less splash damage

i lost my touch on flying, the nightbird is my baby but its fly mechanics is busted its like aim assist is on but its turned off 😦

[frosty mural]

Played a game last night, dude went 57 and 11 and I asked the team if they care about taking him down, I was running rao and AA and ran soflam. They literally just said it's ok

Things shouldn't be nerfed, people just need to act accordingly and counter..they just don't want to that's the problem..

[night vessel]

what's the new store item this week

[lucid goblet]

https://twitter.com/Carpo_vp/status/1545029167506407424?s=20&t=tDsaSqlSro11ygnhFFInvQ

Carpo (@Carpo_vp)

New bundle in the #Battlefield2042 store "Ice Cold" inc:
*hailstorm outfit for Sundance (Legendary)
*Glacial storm skin for Condor
*Winters wrath skin for the AK
*Cold blast for the DXR-1
*Cold hearted player tag

#Battlefield #BF2042 @Battlefield

Twitter · Jul 7, 2022, 12:57 PM

[night vessel]

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CONDOR!!!!!!!!

[night vessel]

that's a good skin

[still vault]

Sure the penguins like it

[night vessel]

aye

[gloomy wyvern]

I loved it when you would spawn and it would barrel roll in the air

[tacit sphinx]

honestly not a huge fan of the new bundle, the sundance skin looks good but other than that i'm not fussed about anything in it

[hidden sand]

Legendaries are instantly a pass from me because you can't mix and match them

[vast tangle]

lfg ?

[tacit sphinx]

the dry dunes bundle should be good though if it's what i would guess based on the name + the unreleased skins

from this image i would guess it's the casper skin, probably the bolte skin, and 3 and 7 - possibly throw in the knife as well

[next onyx]

I thought that SCAR skin would be included in the Ice bundle.

But now I'm thinking maybe it'll be included with the LCMG and that universal ice skin with something else.

[tacit sphinx]

knowing it's ice/cold themed i wouldnt have thought so, but i did assume it would be the sundance legendary + that sfar skin beforehand since the sundance skin didn't jump out as ice themed initially

also realised the crossbow skin is basically the farstrike sws skin

[hidden sand]

The purple looks so bad imo I have no clue what made that sws skin appealing lol

[next onyx]

It's not a bad purple.

But mh.

[silk surge]

I just wish it wasn't so white. If you decide to flank, the enemies will be like 'why did nobody shoot the giant white target behind us!?'

[hidden sand]

It instantly makes the weapon look like a nerf gun imo lol.

[next onyx]

It makes sense since it's based around snow.

Not warmer climates.

[hidden sand]

Really depends on how it actually looks in the lighting

[tacit sphinx]

having seen it in game it really doesn't stand out that much especially once you pick up some dust from the map

[hidden sand]

There are some white skins that essentially because a darker grey in some areas of the map

[tacit sphinx]

it's much more of a grey than white generally - yeah you'd probably stick out a bit if you were sitting in some dark corner compared to using t1 or something, but generally most skins don't change a whole lot in terms of target acquisition

[silk surge]

I've noticed that the Mackay Creeping Death skin makes him almost invisible in dark corners.

[next onyx]

I want to buy that bundle if I had the premium coin.

Which I will!

But not just yet haha.

[silk surge]

I bought it with the boins I got from the battlepass.

[slate needle]

patiently waiting for a good irish / falck skin before my boins get spent

[next onyx]

Honestly the only skin I will spend actual money for is a SCAR skin.

Gimme a total conversion SCAR skin like with the K30.

[tacit sphinx]

i bought i think the £15ish boin pack on the first day of the season and grabbed the mackay bundle, im sat on 1800 boins still though bc the other bundles didnt massively jump out to me

[hidden sand]

Mckays bundle is alright outside of that absolutely giant faceshield that makes him look silly, and the skulls

[tacit sphinx]

i might pick up the dozer bundle though, i really like the AK skin

[slate needle]

dozer bundle would be good if dozer was good

[hidden sand]

I hope there's less and less vehicle cosmetics tbh.

It's really cool when the equipment you choose changes the appearence od the vehicle.

You won't get much of that if they keep putting it all into cosmetics.

[next onyx]

I've got a good legendary Mackay skin at least so nothing to stress.

[slate needle]

yeah i think with the lack of content im not gonna take less of anything

especially cosmetics of any type

[next onyx]

If they dropped two bundles a week that'd be fine.

One is a bit bare.

[slate needle]

i would really love some daily missions
weeklies are really not enough

[hidden sand]

That just give you regular xp you mean?

[fringe maple]

maybe some real small bonuses too like one or two pass point and a few coin?

[hidden sand]

Yeah I don't think they'd do that tbh

They've added some screams into the voicelines

Falck has a pretty scary one

[calm bison]

Hetzer in AOW when

[still vault]

With the high cost of the skins I don't see the need for more than 1. I will be able to buy.. what. 1 bundle each season?

[next onyx]

It'd be good for the people who want to spend their money.

More variety, less disappointment.

[hidden sand]

Falck really needs some cosmetics.

[lilac dust]

Lmao.... It's almost impossible to get into transport helis now because of the repair challenge this week. They're always full up

[next onyx]

Rip.

[hidden sand]

She's severely lacking in that regard, especially because none of her default ones are really that good.

[next onyx]

I do have a cool combo in mind.

Yellow suit with tier 1 helmet.

[hidden sand]

That's what I put on my falck lol.

It's an alright combo.

[next onyx]

I'm just getting Falck to tier cause why not.

Gives me something to do.

Just wish we had the galil ACE or something.

[hidden sand]

Falck is the ultimate specialist yet nobody ready for that convo.

Syrette Pistol + C5 + EMP

[lilac dust]

I just hate seeing so many people use falk and then walking over someone's dead body all the time when they are totally safe to revive 😐

[obsidian elk]

Why are the old factions so rarely in Portal? I started playing the game last month and there's still no old factions featured in Portal

Only in the server browser

which no one uses

and everyone says doesn't exist

but it does

[hidden sand]

Anghel is kind of redundant now because ammo is so abundant anyway.

[lilac dust]

This week is focused on 2042 stuff, but also most people won't bother with old factions anymore because there's no progression system involved with that. So it's essentially less fulfilling than playing those actual older titles

[obsidian elk]

Ammo is only as abundant as people want it to be.

The moment other people decide they don't want to take ammo, you're screwed

He exists for that purpose

Same reason why Falck exists if you don't want to take medcrates or stimpaks

[lilac dust]

Well there ain't no consent involved with falck's pistol lol

[hidden sand]

Well there's progression in the playlists, so I don't think that's related.

[arctic grove]

Ammo is not abundant

Especially for gadgets

[obsidian elk]

Don't you still get EXP for playing the old factions in portal? As long as they're a featured mode it should still be legit.

Or do people just not like being unable to progress their specialists/weapons tier one

[arctic grove]

You do indeed get exp

[hidden sand]

I mean It's literally everywhere because it drops when enemies and teammates die. You're essentially never running out.

[arctic grove]

Can't believe the "there is no progression" argument is still a think

[arctic grove]

Gadget

[obsidian elk]

The 10 bullets you get from enemy kills are just a top-up, you can't really rely on it

[lilac dust]

I'm referring to the people who are past level 100 which is a large portion of the community considering this isn't a massively populated game. With no tier 1 or attachment grind it gets stale for most

[obsidian elk]

Also some people don't CQB

you're assuming everyone plays the same way you do

getting kills in close range and picking up the dropped ammo

[arctic grove]

That doesn't restock your gadget, and even the standard ammo pack gadget only gives you +1 to your gadget restock. This is why angels ammo crate is fantastic. Also let's you switch loadouts. How is that redundant?

[obsidian elk]

Yeah what F-35 said

[solar tinsel]

I agree the enemy drop ammo is not sustainable enough in most cases.

[obsidian elk]

-wooshes through the air stealthily-

-drinks vodka in my cockpit-

[hidden sand]

Progression in Portal only works in official servers or servers with the right settings, which is completely up to chance. When you enable PVP AI, it's a 300 xp cap per minute, and you can't unlock weapons or vehicles through that.

[arctic grove]

Why do I rarely see suika make a good point. It's crazy lol

[obsidian elk]

Hey man...no need to get personal

[arctic grove]

"chance" or just looking at the tags on the right

[obsidian elk]

We're here to talk about the game, not about people

[solar tinsel]

I still wish they had a smarter XP system that allowed for scalable progression even with AI

[obsidian elk]

You can't just invalidate someone's opinion

[solar tinsel]

like if there was AI in the mode, it halves or thirds the earn rate, and it gets further modified with other settings

[obsidian elk]

You talk it out lol

[arctic grove]

I did

[obsidian elk]

It's moot anyway, since (thank goodness) we can get full progression (even after Mastery 12) on bots in All out War

[arctic grove]

Here's the thing, what other solution for progression are you going to come up with? If there are no limitations, will you just let people make bot farming servers? Like come on, the current portal progression system is entirely reasonable, and I don't see the point of this complaining

[obsidian elk]

since they count as online kills

[solar tinsel]

true, makes sense

[obsidian elk]

Honestly

in my opinion

[hidden sand]

Ye. PvP AI shouldn't turn off XP if the other AI settings are default because the whole point of it is to be a supliment until real players join.

[obsidian elk]

I think you should be able to grind to tier one in any mode

Now the naysayers are going to come in and say "but it's supposed to be a badge of honor!"

"but you're supposed to work for it!"

Hear me out

[arctic grove]

Yeah... I was gonna say that lol

[obsidian elk]

Yeah it's predictable

I think Tier 1, at its very core, is just simply a way to display how much time you have dedicated to a certain item

Because it's not hard to get kills, even in pvp, it just takes time

This is not a skill-based game with ranking systems

Tier One is not the equivalent of "Grandmaster" rank in CSGO

It's just a badge that says "I really like this thing"

[arctic grove]

Ehhhhh

[solar tinsel]

The solution would be more multiplier-based on a setting by setting basis. Keep in mind, I'm not making the argument that progression is terrible in 2042, it's gotten a lot better. But I think that's the best way to do it.

Each scalable/toggleable setting should have a multiplication factor that impacts the earn rate, (with x0 being an option to zero out XP in the most extreme settings)

[obsidian elk]

"I really like this specialist"

"I really like this gun"

[uncut bay]

i'm of the same opinion. I don't care much, but the fact that dice said we'd be able to do that and then took it away is pretty scummy. Like you say, in the end it's hardly a badge of skill, it's time sunk

[obsidian elk]

Therefore I feel like you should be allowed to grind it out in any mode you want, for free, even on bots

because Tier One to me just means "I really like this thing"

because it only takes time anyway, at least in its current form, to get T1

It does not require skill

only time

[uncut bay]

and in the end, people can grind their badges however they want. It's almost as though people are way too concerned with what others are doing. Who cares if timmy killed bots for his T1 if you know for a fact you got yours through killing 1200 players

[solar tinsel]

Yeah, I feel the same. If it's LITERALLY a Bot Farm server with settings that amplify that, then ok, sure maybe it should be 0 progression. But if it's an actual legitimate game mode that happens to have bots with some modifications, it should still earn at SOME rate

[hidden sand]

Yup, this is what bothered me the most. If you're not going to put BC2 and BF3 playlists in rotation anymore, at least let me earn progression with it with bots, using default settings.

[arctic grove]

That's a fantastic idea. Instead of a progression cap, a multiplier. Great take.

[obsidian elk]

You are bringing up the topic of personal value. Yes, you are right about this.

Tier One is a personal challenge

[solar tinsel]

I genuinely thought that's what they were going to do prior to launch, they have SO many Portal settings, you'd think on the backend each setting can be tied to a multiplier

[hidden sand]

Default settings absolutely should not take away progression even with AI enabled.

[solar tinsel]

I would argue AI alone (if we're talking about multipliers) should be a 0.3x - 0.5x earn rate, but this way it at least still earns

[chilly jacinth]

dunno man ive seen so many people not even being able to get 5 kills a game

[hidden sand]

I don't see why it needs to be lower tbh.

[solar tinsel]

allow some settings to even INCREASE earn rate (ie. if you increase enemy health, etc.) so if you have a cool Co-Op mode where you and buddies are fighting super strong AI, you still get a fair reward

[solar tinsel]

Well, because AI are typically much easier to kill haha

[obsidian elk]

My point simply is that Tier One does not require skill. I made zero mention of the average skill level of people who play the game and their capability to achieve kills.

[solar tinsel]

and I think reward, to some extent, should reflect effort

[arctic grove]

I just disagree with the notion that your motivation for playing the game should be progression. It's a factor, sure, but I play a ton of portal simply because I find it fun.

[solar tinsel]

True, whole other conversation though haha

[arctic grove]

It honestly doesn't bother me at all even when a server has no progression, but that's a personal thing

[solar tinsel]

and yeah definitely personal preference

[arctic grove]

Like I just genuinely don't give a shit.

[uncut bay]

people play games for different reasons. Progression is one of the most important factors for me. If i'm not progressing towards something the game will get boring very very quickly

[obsidian elk]

I didn't play back when the old factions were featured in Portal modes so I can't make a valid judgement on that topic

but if people weren't playing those modes, it just means they prefer progression

[hidden sand]

So? If it's default settings I don't see why it matters, but that's a matter of what you value in-game. You're not able to play BC2/BF3 Portal with progression unless you get lucky, so PVP AI should keep XP.

[arctic grove]

I tend to have more subtle and personal goals. Like increasing my pvp K/D, or getting really good at some vehicle

[arctic grove]

BC2 and BF3 didn't have ai. I think that about sums up why they don't have progression with ai...

[hidden sand]

PVP is supposed to supliment real players, yet people will see the lack of progression on your server and absolutely avoid it.

[arctic grove]

64p. I don't see the point of ai being there.

Wasn't there in BF4 or anything

[solar tinsel]

I agree it should keep XP, like I said: just with a reduced earn rate when it's against AI. Default settings are not, AI is typically lower effort to kill and I think that needs to be reflected in rewards.

Like how throwing an ammo pack is, while still valuable for teamplay, lower effort than an objective cap and why it is rewarded as such

[obsidian elk]

So I'm watching gameplay of Battlefield 2,

holy shit, why are the bots SO well programmed?

Why don't we have this in 2022?

[solar tinsel]

haha that was my first BF game. Good nostalgia

[arctic grove]

That's the other thing with ai. I personally view it as cheap. If I see an ai in game, I only shoot it in self defense. Otherwise I run away because the only valuable kills to me are players. So this is another difference in values here

[solar tinsel]

But oh boy would haters of bullet spread not like BF2 today 😆

[tranquil turtle]

Isn't the recoil just spread

[tame cobalt]

I would argue it should depend on their difficulty level and other settings

[solar tinsel]

No, you could toggle what weapon to use, but there were no attatchments

[arctic grove]

Yes, but I'm referring to the portal experiences for the older games, which didn't have ai. I have no issue with ai being in AOW or other 2042 stuff. I just don't see why you would need progression with ai for BC2/BF3 when ai wasn't in the original games. You made do before

[hidden sand]

Dunno, it doesn't bother me personally if people progress through AI or not. I think people should be allowed to progress however they want, because at the end of the day the better player is at the top of the scoreboard and that's what people pay attention to the most.

[obsidian elk]

Wow, bullet spread in BF2 is cancer

It's awful

[tame cobalt]

Based.

[solar tinsel]

Nah, different concepts. Recoil is how much the gun aim moves around. There's also a lot of miscommunication on spread vs. deviation vs. accuracy, but I'm admittedly rolling those together in my point, both the cone of accuracy as well as how fast that cone increases in size

[obsidian elk]

Exactly. Let people freely grind for their badges and skins in bots if they want to.

Again, Tier One does not require skill, so making it possible to attain via purely bots would only lessen the grind on the minority of dedicated players who decide to partake in personal challenges.

Literally an objectively good change.

[solar tinsel]

In BF2, the accuracy cone got VERY large while shooting, literally while ADS bullets would not just land outside the scope target, but OUTSIDE THE SCOPE somtimes, when full auto

I'VE BEEN SAYING THAT FOREVER ha

[arctic grove]

That was the topic of the Convo.

[solar tinsel]

Give me BF2, with all maps remasterd, and just modern conventions put in (modern gun handling, unlimited sprint, customization, etc.)

[hidden sand]

BF2 nowadays would just be BF4. Lackluster, except with good level design this time.

[solar tinsel]

Well that's what I'm saying, add in more weapons, weapon customization, etc.

[torn tulip]

so you want bf4?

bf2 would just be bf4

just get bf4 and cope

[solar tinsel]

Well, keep the 7 class system haha

[obsidian elk]

BF2 = great bots, awful gunplay

[solar tinsel]

but the BF2 maps

[hidden sand]

BF4 vehicle variety has aged so badly, it's crazy how much of a better job BFV did.

[arctic grove]

Why I need 7 classes when specialists are better lol

[solar tinsel]

I honestly made the argument that specialists were closer to the BF2's 7 class system than the 4 class system ha

It was a lot of fun

I mean that's kind of what it is, in a way haha

although of course BF2 did have class restricted loadouts, etc.

meaning you couldn't use a sniper as an Anti-Tank or whatever

[arctic grove]

If you took the community's feedback and made classes based on that, you would ultimately arrive at a system that's basically just the specialists we have now

But with different appearances

[solar tinsel]

I also was a fan of the 6-player squad system, although theyd need to go back to squad leader spawn only in my opinion

[hidden sand]

BF2 classes were too spread out imo. 4 class system works the best.

[solar tinsel]

In all fairness, I do agree with that, despite having nostalgia for BF2

[arctic grove]

So essentially I chose the class based on what gun I wanted. See that's super lame.

[solar tinsel]

I'm not saying it was better

[arctic grove]

I should be chosing my class based on the role I want to play

Which is uhh

How 2042 works huh

[solar tinsel]

I agree, I'm not arguing with you ha

[arctic grove]

I know you aren't, I was just saying haha

[solar tinsel]

gotcha ha

[tame cobalt]

Anti vehicle and medic are the only good classes in bf games

[arctic grove]

Always been that way yeah true

[hidden sand]

Support was done well in BFV imo.

[solar tinsel]

I've generally been a fan of players having weapon freedom in classes. My biggest gripe with 2042 was that 2 major class archetypes were missing from the specialists, at least prior to Lis. We are still missing a repair specialist

[tame cobalt]

Only because it had Chauchat

[solar tinsel]

So the "Engineer" architype is still missing, despite having "Engineer specialists"

[hidden sand]

A Specialist with a unique repair tool would be hilarious tbh

[tame cobalt]

Assault is new engineer

[solar tinsel]

I think something like the equivalent of a Ranger but designed for automated repairs, where you can tag a friendly vehicle and have it start repairing it, or an enemy vehicle for slow damage on it

[arctic grove]

You know what? I agree to an extent. I think engineer has more of a anti-vehicle context to it. The repair tool gadget should be eliminated, and a specialist with the repair tool and some other passive that helps vehicles reload and heal faster should exist.

That would be dope

[tame cobalt]

My engineer specialist idea:

Specialist gadget: EOD bot
Perk: always has repair tool and can carry a different additional gadget

[solar tinsel]

so GADGET: Repair Ranger
PERK: Passive repair, while as a passenger in a vehicle, you slowly automatically repair the vehicle you're in

Something like that

[arctic grove]

BASED

[solar tinsel]

yup haha more or less

[arctic grove]

This shit would be one of the most used specialists for vehicle mains

[tame cobalt]

That passive repair would be broken tbh

[solar tinsel]

I don't think the repair tool should go away, again it gives that freedom, but the specialist would be better at repairs specifically

[arctic grove]

Despite being mostly infantry focused, I'm kind of an advocate for powerful vehicles

[solar tinsel]

It existed in BF2 to some extent and was fine, it just has to be really slow - or maybe it could be something else, like you have slightly faster cooldowns

[arctic grove]

That wouldn't be broken given how much of a disadvantage ground vehicles have.

[solar tinsel]

I actually believe that vehicles are still underpowered. It may feel (to the lone infantry) that they are OP. But when playing in a map with 64 players and most people using Anti-Vehicle gadgets to some extent, you get torn up unless you hang back with a tank

[tame cobalt]

But what if an entire squad of that specialist is in one vehicle? I already think helis being repaired by more than 1 repair tool at once is kinda broken

[solar tinsel]

Vehicles no longer are the threat they used to be

[solar tinsel]

There are ways to cap it, for example: not allow it to stack

[arctic grove]

Yeah

[tame cobalt]

[solar tinsel]

I'm just spitbaling though too, it could be something else

my point is: we need a repair-based specialist

[arctic grove]

Honestly I think this specialist will come into existence soon

A ton of people have this idea

[solar tinsel]

and say you can't use the repair tool with them, like the Lis restriction

[tame cobalt]

Fair
Will probably be categorised as support class if they actually adhere to 2042's class archetypes tho. But they already stopped doing that with Lis

[arctic grove]

Yes

[tame cobalt]

Lis should be assault class, per 2042's own class definitions.

[solar tinsel]

With that specialist, we hopefully would see vehicle/repair teamplay be more prominent outside of transport choppers, and more powerful vehicles

[solar tinsel]

I have to agree with you ha. It is Engineer via like the BF3 system, but you're right, based on how 2042 defines it....

[arctic grove]

Class rework probably gonna be gadget restrictions honestly

[tame cobalt]

And repair tool specialist should be support class, per 2042's class definitions

[arctic grove]

I don't like it, but that's what I see happening

[solar tinsel]

Well, I'd just say 2042's class definitions need to be reworded haha

[tame cobalt]

Or just dirt on faces and new voicelines

[zealous patio]

Repair ranger could be a good boi

[solar tinsel]

I do think Engineer makes more sense to be vehicle destruction & repair + gadgets

[tame cobalt]

[solar tinsel]

and Lis would fit into that category, when defined that way

[arctic grove]

Yeah anti vehicle = engineer

That's how it is irl too

[mental delta]

Yes I don't see weapons restriction coming into the game tbh, I just wonder how a gadget restriction will affect the game because it would be weird to only be able to play ammo or medic boxes with Angel for example

[tame cobalt]

Problem is if they go to bf4 classes, the current assault and engineer specialists don't reaaaally fit into them

Except lis which would definitely be engi

[arctic grove]

Weapon restrictions would be the worst game design decision ever

Would ruin everything

[tame cobalt]

How about this though ... Restrict snipers away from all support gadgets.

[solar tinsel]

Well they don't need to do that necessarily. I think Assault just needs to be defined as offensive based combat. Sundance and McKay use high mobility, and you can argue Dozier can "lead a charge" with the shield

[arctic grove]

No

[mental delta]

And it wouldn't be possible as the game doesn't have enough weapons to create such a system

[solar tinsel]

agreed haha

[arctic grove]

They could add more weapons then do that

[solar tinsel]

If they had enough weapons though, I WOULD be in favor of faction-based weapon restrictions

[arctic grove]

NO

What?? Whyyyy

[solar tinsel]

haha

[arctic grove]

Why do that

[tame cobalt]

Sniper shouldn't be allowed with ammo crate or health regen

[solar tinsel]

That's more of a "me thing" it's fine, and we don't have enough weapons for that

[mental delta]

Imagine being able to only play 4 weapons as assault and 2 as support

[solar tinsel]

lol right

I personally like to do that though

[tame cobalt]

It's just a tool for camping

[solar tinsel]

again: probably due to my BF2 roots

[next onyx]

They'll sit back anyways.

[mental delta]

Yes the Portal weapons are coming soon from what Alex said and there will be a decent amount of them I think, like at least 10

[arctic grove]

That ruins what I was saying earlier and puts us back to BF4 days

Or previous BF in general

[solar tinsel]

Well, it would only work if each faction had a matching archetype of EACH weapon, which clearly is not the case, so it wouldnt work now ha

[mental delta]

Faction based ?

[hearty flame]

sure snipers would still sit back but theyd have way less sustainability

[tame cobalt]

Helllll no

[solar tinsel]

Like, US has M5A3 + SFAR.... RU has AK-24 + AC-42

[solar tinsel]

Relax folks it obviously wont work in 2042 with the low weapon count haha

[mental delta]

That would work really well with a game that has a lot of weapons but it's not possible at all here

[solar tinsel]

but like IDEALLY it would be:

EACH FACTION had 4 similar assault rifle archetypes, for example

[solar tinsel]

yup, sadly

[hidden sand]

I don't see the point in locking weapons when that's not what what's important to classes. Their gadgets are.

[arctic grove]

Low weapon count will change

People SHOULD NOT be choosing a class based on the weapon they want, but rather what kind of role they want to play. Guns are a highly personalized thing, and you should not be restricting people's access to them. Unless you want this to be BFV, where everyone was using medic because it had good guns, and completely ignoring their role as a medic.

[fringe maple]

lol anyone encounter cheaters as frequent?

[mental delta]

Had a lot more trouble with BF2042 medics than with BFV ones

[fringe maple]

every game tonight I met there is a cheater on either side

[slate needle]

i do not ever want to have to wait until my team changes to russian side before i can use a specific weapon like an ak

especially when grinding attachments it would be obnoxious as hell

[hidden sand]

In 2042?

[solar tinsel]

I know, I definitely dont agree with class based weapon restrictions. But like I said, if 2042 had ENOUGH weapons to give mirror archtypes with both factions. 2042 will get more weapons, but not enough (IMO) to give each faction a matching counterpart

[arctic grove]

Complete opposite experience. I did get a lot of revives in BFV, but it was only because of the squad revive system.

[solar tinsel]

We'd need nearly double the weapon count to make that happen

[slate needle]

2042 having factional weapon restrictions wouldnt make sense regardless of weapon count

[arctic grove]

You want faction based. I see.

[solar tinsel]

attatchments is a fair point, and that would also need to be halved in my opinion

[fringe maple]

lol there this guy named RushABCDEFG using MG to clear every single sites, he ends the game with almost 200 kills and about 10 death

[lilac dust]

YES!! ... I was afk long enough for my specialist to sneeze. Wasn't even planning to be afk for it 🤣

[arctic grove]

Ehhhhhhhhh don't like it this isn't a milsim dude

[slate needle]

they are non patriated. they arent restricted to national platform standards

[arctic grove]

We are too deep into specialist. Don't rework it and restrict shit. Just go back to classes in the next bf game.

[mental delta]

Lol opposite of the opposite to me, I got a lot of revives but only from medics and not from my squad mates, I really appreciated the revive system from BFV though and like it in BF2042 but people just don't know how to take advantage from it

[solar tinsel]

"Want" is a strong word, but I'd be cool with it. And I agree it's not a milsim, but theres already so much blurring the lines between factions already.

and @slate needle I agree, but I'd argue: then why are vehicles faction restricted?

[hidden sand]

Vehicles should be unique for each faction imo

Clone vehicles, I sleep

[slate needle]

likely because weapons are easier to get a hold for the no pats

vehicled are supplied by the faction they are conscripted by

[mental delta]

Triple*

[arctic grove]

Objectively though, what is the difference between the BFV and 2042 revive system.

[slate needle]

irish could find an ak24 on the ground in some broken down warzone and keep it

probably not a huron

[solar tinsel]

Fair enough. Like I said, it's just a bit of a spitball idea. If it launched that way though, it'd be done for it.

Like if I had a US-faction based AC-42 that was burst fire, and progression was halved or something: I think it could be cool

[mental delta]

That's what I'm saying, I am glad to see BFV revive system in BF2042

[hearty flame]

might not be a difference but smokes in V are stronger than in 2042 so medics could do riskier heals

[arctic grove]

You hold a button and it revives someone. Your squad and medics can revive you.

[solar tinsel]

2042 will never get enough weapons to make that possible though ha

[slate needle]

i dont mind faction based stuff but with the cool idea of no pats id prefer the apocalyptic any weapon goes type thing

[arctic grove]

@mental delta I experience more revives in 2042, but if you experience less, I think it's literally because 2042 maps are bigger, thus you are less likely to have a medic in your immediate proximity.

[solar tinsel]

(Another solution to attatchments by the way could be just to link the weapons and used a shared-XP pool per archtype)

ie. Kills with AC-42 + US burst fire rifle

like, it COULD be done smart

[hidden sand]

The visual feedback for revives and the XP you gained was also REALLY satisfying and absolutely played a role in more people reviving.

[hearty flame]

Id just like a generic kinda unlock token so you could grab attachments at your pace rather than having to farm 300 kills for the one you want

[mental delta]

Probably, and it also depends on players, I can get revived during an entire game by both teammates and squad mates and and in other game not getting revived at all

[hearty flame]

ya the animation and feedback was satisfying too

[solar tinsel]

thats a good idea too! See? So many ways it can be done

[arctic grove]

You get as many points from a revive as you do from a kill in 2042. 2042's is quite rewarding

[slate needle]

be the change you wish to see in the world. start reviving

[arctic grove]

No, I'm gonna play Sundance with an SMG and armor plates, fly into a group of 10 enemies, kill them, and die .

[slate needle]

based

[solar tinsel]

Speaking of reviving, smoke has never been more rewarding in Battlefield's history (well unless BFV had smoke rewards, I didn't have BFV)

[arctic grove]

And if my teammate dies and I hear a single bullet wiz by, I'm going to fly away and pretend I never saw my teammate

[hearty flame]

V has the better smokes id say

[solar tinsel]

but I like how they made concealment a team XP earn

[slate needle]

underbarrel smoke sfar, smoke nades, smoke launcher

[solar tinsel]

did V offer rewards for that out of curiosity?

[slate needle]

i can take over a whole point in a fog

[solar tinsel]

Like concealed assists, revives, etc.

[arctic grove]

I use smoke to revive people actually

[solar tinsel]

same

[hearty flame]

no but they deployed in a nicer poofier cloud

[solar tinsel]

gotcha

[arctic grove]

But only squad mates and I do it for selfish reasons

[slate needle]

if boris turret didnt see through smoke id be a sole smoke falck main

[solar tinsel]

Yeah smoke has been around forever but it's never really been rewarded in previous games, so that was cool to see

[arctic grove]

If I'm in enemy territory, I expect the guy I revived to return the favor

[hearty flame]

plus theres a smoke barrage you can call in to cover an objective if needed

[hidden sand]

Maps are so giant that I've never needed smoke to revive people well.

[arctic grove]

What?

Well usually people die when they are being shot so

[solar tinsel]

Depends on where you are and what mode you're in

[arctic grove]

Smoke still useful

[unborn herald]

that’s so irrelevant

[slate needle]

that sounds counter intuitive

open map -> open sightlines -> no smoke?

[arctic grove]

Indeed that makes literally no sense

[hidden sand]

It's not because of the time it takes for enemies to get back. BFV required me to get smokes down because enemies could get back to where I am easier.

I've never needed to so far unless I'm playing rush.

[zealous patio]

any new info from devs about emergancy patch ? anyone knows ?

[solar tinsel]

I mean no gadget is 100% useful in all situations, but smokes absolutely can be valuable for revives in hot spots, or making pushes a bit easier via concealment and surprise

[hidden sand]

But I'm talking about BT, anyhow.

[solar tinsel]

?

[slate needle]

i think i use smoke for practically every rev

free Points...

[hidden sand]

However exposure has way more instances of smokes being needed.

Whoops, I have no idea why that replied to you

[solar tinsel]

all good ha

I think every map has a spot it's useful for though, even in Conquest.

[zealous patio]

we need some fixes bru

[solar tinsel]

Well an "emergency fix" implies something very specific needs to be fixed ASAP. Whats the issue?

[hidden sand]

Are you on current gen, Dead-Sync?

[solar tinsel]

I agree the game always needs work but I'm not aware of anything thats like: catastrophic, at least I havent experienced it yet

[solar tinsel]

Yeah PS5

[zealous patio]

@solar tinsel check the reddit and ea forum

[solar tinsel]

Ill check, thanks

what am I looking for though specifically?

[zealous patio]

ppl having performance issues, ADS issues , vehicle icons not showing etc. etc.

[hidden sand]

That's why it's different then. 64 layout for BT has only had major cqc moments on Exposure.

So I've never needed to throw down anything.

[zealous patio]

@solar tinsel also visual bug for nightbird preventing you from zooming in vehicle

[hidden sand]

Rip you guys being forced to play the 128p layouts on BT though.

[zealous patio]

you see pilot legs

[solar tinsel]

I actually think we're still currently all on 64p layouts still, although I havent played BT in 1.1

but they had to rollback the 128p layouts in BT at one point due to ticket issues

I honestly just think it should always be 64p layouts, after all it is 64 players now ha

[hidden sand]

Oh, didn't know. I played yesterday on PC and it was the 128 layouts so I just assumed It's been like that.

Weird.

[solar tinsel]

they might have put them back in, I'll have to check

like I said, didn't check after 1.1, only played CQ in 1.1 so far

[solar tinsel]

gotcha, thats a bummer

[zealous patio]

me2 mostly playing exodus cq or flashback cq when its available

[arctic grove]

This is true for 2042 as well. When someone dies, there is a very high likelihood that the person who killed them will still be around by the time you revive them

Map size has nothing to do with this. It's not like they instant transmission to the other side of the map once they kill a single guy

[solar tinsel]

Yeah not to mention CQB isn't the only use for smokes, in general it's just when concealment is required, and many times a downed teammate is in a vulnearable location

Or you can make a push across open space providing concealment where there is little to no cover

Again, it's not a god gadget or anything, but it does its job well when needed

[hidden sand]

I've just never needed it tbh. BT spawns defenders very far back, and I'm usually able to clear out rooms and revive without it.

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I mean, to each their own

[hidden sand]

I've only ever needed it on BT exposure and Rush.

[solar tinsel]

do you have a go to gadget?

[hidden sand]

Just C4 or the M5. C4 is so busted right now.

[solar tinsel]

See, I think most people use the philosophy you do (C5 or M5) which is why I do believe vehicles are still underpowered in 2042, especially ground vehicles 😆

[hidden sand]

Yup, but open loadouts create good balance didn't you know?

When everyone is able to have a M5 or C4 with no consequence then vehicles are fucked.

[solar tinsel]

ha yup, I am definitely all for gadget restrictions because in my opinion they very much facilitate class based roles.

Maybe some can be universal or multi-class, like smoke or armor plate, etc.

but yeah I think they have enough gadgets now to make them mostly class locked

[hidden sand]

Armor should really just go imo, having an inconsistent TTK because of it is blegh.

[solar tinsel]

It doesn't really bother me much anymore, in the sense that I rarely see it used

I just think as a gadget it's not very good

so I'd almost prefer to see it as a specialist or class based trait: for example Dozier spawns with it by default or something

but even if it stays as a gadget, I dont think it has much impact

maybe why it could be a good universal gadget. Not great, but works for everyone

[hidden sand]

It's pretty common in my experience, so rip.

[uncut bay]

agreed, at the very least it should be reworked to mitigate damage instead of just adding extra health

ruins the game's flow and predictability of guns

[solar tinsel]

I think thats how it was in previous BF games at least BF2/2142

in 2142 you could toggle your armor type. High armor reduced damage recieved but lowered your sprint time i think

[hidden sand]

Isn't mitigating dmg essentially doing the same thing?

[solar tinsel]

However, the only disadvantage with that is

the player shooting doesnt know

so I think its best as a distinguished health bar

with indicators telling you if its armor and when broken

[uncut bay]

depends on how they implement it. Having a multiplier to reduce damage based on what you're hit with and where is a far better option than just +20 health imo

[solar tinsel]

otherwise inconsistent TTK is more of a mystery

[hidden sand]

I'd rather it be able to reduce explosive dmg tbh.

[uncut bay]

explosive vests i can get behind

[solar tinsel]

not a bad idea too

and then maybe you get a blue hitmarker if someone had their explosive damage reduced due to that

[lone wren]

hi all

[solar tinsel]

kind of like a "oh ok I get why they didnt die"

[solar tinsel]

Hello!

[lone wren]

how is everyone

[solar tinsel]

Good, and yourself?

[lone wren]

i am well

[solar tinsel]

dope

[lone wren]

i am just chillin

[solar tinsel]

love it

Man this discord has become such a better place when the game started to get better haha

[torn tulip]

love it when game make bp challenges that are impossible to do the week after

[solar tinsel]

either that, or lucky timing

[lone wren]

after having a couple games of bf1

[torn tulip]

"play 1 game of rush"

and no rush 😥

[solar tinsel]

That won't go away though

Everything except the "Bonus Challenge" stays with you

[torn tulip]

i've had to do other challenges like go into vehicles

disgusting forcing me to go into planes

to get 4 battlepoints

[solar tinsel]

ha hey at least the 25mm is actually pretty awesome now

[torn tulip]

i'm a big infantry guy i couldn't care less about vehicles

[fringe maple]

but the 50mm on transport now is just sad

[solar tinsel]

flight physics are still a bit funky, but the 25mm at least rocks

[torn tulip]

i only care about them when i need to take a car from base to a point 50000000 miles away

[solar tinsel]

yeah ha, but probably warranted. It can still be super effective as a whole with a full chopper

[fringe maple]

yeah before the patch it was OP

[solar tinsel]

Eh give them a shot, ground vehicles are still a bit underpowered compared to how many explosives infantry can have, but they can be fun

[torn tulip]

and i'm a shit pilot lmao

[solar tinsel]

There are also vehicle-specific modes. Isn't Tank Superiority available in Portal this week?

[fringe maple]

prevent entry to every site

[solar tinsel]

yup haha

It feels in a great spot now. It's effective but not OP, and a full chopper working together can still be great

[lone wren]

i did something epic in bf1 not long ago so what happened was i spotted a tank hunter and i was playing as a trench raider it was the duel of the fates moment and the player crawled down took a shot i jumped on top of a tree long and the bullet hit the tree log instead of me and then i two tapped the tank hunter with the mace

[solar tinsel]

Im trying to envision it, but I bet it was cool nonetheless

[solar tinsel]

I think it's kills and assists with vehicles this week right? Meaning you can always hop into a transport chopper and be a gunner or repair

[torn tulip]

that's what i've been doing

did it last night

pilot was good but man the nausea

couldn't even go in a straight line

he kept doing figure 8s

[solar tinsel]

haha, you should fly with me!!

I go nice a slow and steady to give gunners optimal time

and then get out when shit hits the fan

[torn tulip]

i wasn't even in gunners i was just spotting players

for the challenge

[solar tinsel]

all works nonetheless!

[torn tulip]

plane i was in didnt have gunners

twas but a simple choppa

[solar tinsel]

I've really been enjoying being cruise chip captain for the Condor/SuperHind these days

when you get a full chopper going it can be a lot of fun

[pine roost]

I think it’s just that the people who were fed up with the whole situation just left

[proper pulsar]

anyway to get into a active lobby

[solar tinsel]

yeah probably ha

[proper pulsar]

tried going into like 6 games all of them had 2 to 16 players

[uncut bay]

yeah it used to be really bad

[pine roost]

Many of the people who were in this discord before the game was even announced just don’t talk anymore

[hidden sand]

I left for a while there because of just how bad it was post-launch. You couldn't even have a conversation without someone saying "game ded lul".

[pine roost]

I stick around because I love battlefield as a whole, but I don’t touch 2042 anymore cause it simply isn’t fun and doesn’t yet achieve the standard I originally had for the game

[uncut bay]

same here, it was just pure negativity for a while

couldn't stay

[solar tinsel]

yup

[pine roost]

When the clown emoji reaction was spammed all day

[solar tinsel]

same, now it's pleasant to actually talk about Battlefield, and it doesn't hurt that the game is at least in a better place

[pine roost]

For some people bug fixes are all it takes for it to become decent

[hidden sand]

I remember when " " was spammed on every single opinion that was made

It got annoying quick lmao

[solar tinsel]

yup, and that conveniently coincided with, a map that might truly fall in my Top 10 list of BF maps

or at least is close

and you know, a season of stuff to go for

[proper pulsar]

does this game have a active server cus i cant get into a single game that plays cus its always under 16

[solar tinsel]

What mode are you trying to play? I typically dont have any problems

[proper pulsar]

ive tried every single mode but all of them in the waiting screen

with 6 people

sometimes 8

[solar tinsel]

I've seen some playlists randomly bug out, but it usually doesn't persist for long

[pine roost]

This map may be decent but for me it doesn’t excuse the complete lack of content we have. The weaponry, gadgets, maps, vehicles etc are all lacklustre and there aren’t enough as I expected. But there’s no point blabbering on about that now, the point has been made

[solar tinsel]

Oh 100%. Like I continue to say, the game's launch was a failure and as a result has left us with a game with little content given the time it's been out

but I tend to partition my opinions now, and when you look at what we have with Season 1 and the recent patch, it's getting better. But nothing can fix what was a failed launch

[arctic grove]

That's literally the point of armor. Just aim at head. Armor being inconvenient for you is not a legitimate reason to get rid of it lol

[stone granite]

hmmm interesting

[arctic grove]

It is very useful for people who do a lot of CQB shit

[solar tinsel]

I am surprised the weapon count specifically has been so low, but hopefully they can get those Portal weapons in ASAP

[arctic grove]

And even when I encounter it, it's not an issue. Just shoot more

[hidden sand]

What's a shame about vehicles, and tanks in particular, is how well the effects and visuals for them are done. It always makes me want to use them, but then y'know.

[uncut bay]

it's just an annoying mechanic that ruins the game's flow. People are allowed to have opinions

[pine roost]

I’ve just learned to not overhype and wait for launch to buy, I was so excited for this that I did it anyway. So now I just do what I can to really look into what we have and provide any feedback possible to potentially improve it

[uncut bay]

ruins any knowledge people have about a gun's ttk, can't count how many times i've gotten killed because i stopped shooting one or two bullets too soon

armor doesn't belong in aow

[arctic grove]

I am also allowed to criticize and scrutinize people's opinions in a public forum. Why even say "people are allowed to have opinions". Duhh, if they weren't he wouldn't be typing them

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I pre-ordered the game myself, the Ult edition no less, but I knew I would play this game a lot (and I have) because I skipped on BFV. This was gonna be the BF game I would be playing, and I dont fault EA/DICE for buying it, I made that choice as a consumer

[arctic grove]

Armor doesn't even ruin flow. It's a minor inconvenience, as it was intended to be. Its not even a particularly good gadget to carry

[frank stratus]

@arctic grove i like your pfp

[arctic grove]

It sometimes saves your ass

[solar tinsel]

So, I don't regret my decision, but I know a lot of folks did - just goes to show why people should make educated purchase decisions

[calm bison]

I think the AA mine should make a return

[pine roost]

Oh and armour, that’s something I’m firmly against. Knowing the exact ttk is important to me and if it takes one or two more shots to kill it messes up my target switching

[solar tinsel]

ha wow I forgot about those

[hidden sand]

Yup.

[arctic grove]

I quite like some element of unpredictability in combat, so things don't become boring

Not to mention, it's a lot more "profitable" to use other gadgets anyways, so you don't encounter it a lot

[calm bison]

Also while we’re at it adding new gadgets can we please get medic and ammo pouches?

Not boxes

Pouches

That I throw directly at my teammates

Like it’s a baseball

[pine roost]

You do you, for me consistency is important and i feel dying to random chance outside of your control is infuriating

[calm bison]

Also can Irish’s trophy system destroy Lis’ missile?

[arctic grove]

Sounds a lot like war to me

[solar tinsel]

Admittedly those would infringe pretty closely on Falck and Angel's specialist gadgets

[calm bison]

Yeah

They would

[arctic grove]

I think BF as a game should be unpredictable on some level. Meanwhile if you want something very straightforward and simple, go for cod

[solar tinsel]

Yup - BF is the sandbox

[calm bison]

But in turn you could buff Falck’s syringe gun and allow Angel to resupply gadgets

[pine roost]

I won’t touch cod with a 10 metre pole, it looks incredibly boring compared to battlefield in terms of depth and gameplay

[solar tinsel]

Eh, maybe the compromise is the ability to throw the bags a little bit further or something. Not by much, but just a little bit.

[calm bison]

Yeah

That could work

[jovial minnow]

BF is all for straightforward and simple, its the sandbox version of CoD and other mainstream shooters

[solar tinsel]

I think the quick rapid fire resupply makes sense locked to Falck/Angel

but if its a matter of placement, I'm down for making that easier or bettr

[torn tulip]

that's cuz cod focuses more on weapons and bf focuses more on maps

[calm bison]

We also need a rework to the point system on the scoreboard

Kills and Deaths record nicely

But when it comes to points it’s weird

Your points should be your total xp for the match

[arctic grove]

No it's not. Vehicles and specialists totally disprove this. I can be a guy on the ground with very very little ability to defend myself against a helicopter with a good gunner.

Just because it's arcady doesn't mean it's straightforward and simple like cod

Compared to a milsim it is, but it certainly has more depth and complexity than cod

The fact that it's a sandbox shows this

[pine roost]

100%

[jovial minnow]

that's where i disagree, it supposed to be arcadey, it cannot be comparable to the likes of milsim games, BF has always been simple to pickup and play

[arctic grove]

I literally just said outright that it's straightforward compared to a milsim, but not compared to cod

[solar tinsel]

I would say both games are arcade shooters, but BF has ever so slightly leaned more towards an open ended sandbox approach (typically using larger maps and class roles) compared to CoD which is more of a twitch shooter.

[pine roost]

Yea you can pick up and play, you can do that in any game. But battlefield is interesting because there is generally a high skill ceiling, multiple in fact if you consider the different vehicles and classes

[solar tinsel]

Maybe better perhaps phrases as more different skill ceilings to pursue, given there are more ways to play

[jovial minnow]

well my comparison is that its the sandbox version of that kind of straightforwardness and arcade style, of course there's a bar to set if you play it nonstop but its simply still part of that mainstream shooter, think of it like gta version of the genre

[broken horizon]

lol

[solar tinsel]

and thats really what Ive liked about BF, is a greater range of experiences

[pine roost]

And each class had its own playstyle that required a different mindset and approach to play

I absolutely love games with lots of depth and stuff to learn

[arctic grove]

Being an arcade game doesn't mean it's straightforward and simple necessarily. An arcade game can have very dynamic and complex mechanics. Usually in fps games, referring to a game as arcady means it's not realistic. When we are talking about the game not being straightforward, we are talking about bf being unpredictable, and it certainly is unpredictable compared to the likes of cod.

[calm bison]

I mean I watched a guy take off in an a10 off of like 30 feet of land in this game

[solar tinsel]

I also love how, way before Battle Royales existed, Battlefield had matches where several different things were happening at different places at the map at the same time. You might be fighting in an infantry control point, another infantry fight was happenig on the other side of the map, and an air battle going on at the same time. Totally different 'ecosystems'

Thats part of the magic that brought me into Battlefield, is that sense of while you were running on the ground, vehicles and jets were having their own experience in the same match at the same time

and then you get moments of magic when the ecosystems collide

[solar tinsel]

That is how I view arcade style games too. Trading realism in for "the sake of gameplay and fun"

[pine roost]

The thing that really drew me in at first was the fact that everyone can affect the match to some degree. Me being the medic in a large infantry push means I’m actually having an impact on the match and keeping the push strong. Me being in a tank, taking out another tank means the infantry can push up because of my actions. Taking out the stealth jet means our air units have some time to breath etc

[solar tinsel]

yup, thats exactly the magic of those ecosystems interacting to some extent. You play a very small role but it impacts someone else somewhere

and even in CoD or Battle Royals I don't think you get the same thing. Sure, you might kill on enemy and they kill another, but thats mostly it

Everyone is in the same ecosystem, just spread out on a large map

[arctic grove]

And for context, this is about armor. Idk how occasionally encountering a guy that takes a few more shots to put down is ruining consistency and predictability when a random attack chopper can kill you, and you can do nothing about it. Armor isn't even hard to deal with. Just shoot more or shoot at head.

And you have to sacrifice a whole ass gadget slot for it. It's not even that useful

[solar tinsel]

Yeah agreed. It's a game mechanic that offers a different gameplay experience and like you said, it's not a great slot choice

It fits in the game I believe just fine

[arctic grove]

Indeed

[arctic grove]

Not if you play Irish

Yeah but that's the point of his specialist lol.

That's cool af

[torn tulip]

who is irish i forgot

mackay is the one with the grappling hook right?

[arctic grove]

And it's not like he's OP. I'll take angel over Irish any day.

[solar tinsel]

Engineer w/ Projectile Defense system + barricade

[arctic grove]

Err umm, crates are as big as his shields

[solar tinsel]

voiced by the late Michael K Williams, BF4 cast character

[arctic grove]

Irish is a good spec. for good squad comp

[solar tinsel]

Irish is fantastic for Breakthrough and CQB (although there isn't much extreme interior CQB other than exposure)

[arctic grove]

Complaining about armor comes down to "I didn't have this inconvenience in previous BF games, now I do. Get rid of it". No, just adapt.

[fringe maple]

if there is a story campaign for 2042 Irish sure is the protagonist lol

[solar tinsel]

and previous BF games did have it, to a degree too 🙂

[arctic grove]

Actually huh... A lot of complaints come down to this

Not necessarily inconveniences, but things that are just different

[solar tinsel]

welcome to "people hate change 101" ha

not to say there arent BAD changes

but somtimes even legitimately well thought out changes are often met with criticism

people legitimately bashed the 4 class system when it got introduced in 2142

"They're dumbing down the system for casuals, etc."

and the 4 class system is like, highly regarded as "the standard" for BF

[arctic grove]

Honestly the only thing I would of liked were if squad sizes were increased to more then 4 people and if squads had squad points to call in various supports like from BFV

[arctic grove]

It's more like "people come up with fallacious arguments in order to rationalize the fact that they just don't like change"

[solar tinsel]

ha well said

[arctic grove]

Seen so much invalid shit here

I mean there are certainly some really good suggestions and criticisms here, don't get me wrong

[solar tinsel]

100%

[arctic grove]

But it's very hard to sort dumb rationalizations from legitimate points.

[solar tinsel]

That would be nice, but I think if you go beyond 5, you need to change how squad spawning works - like back to the BF2 system or something

[solar tinsel]

it can be sometimes, although when someone uses well thought out logic and not "THIS SUCKS" it makes it a bit easier ha

[arctic grove]

Also I think BFV did a lot of things right, but the devs threw a lot of those ideas out because people hated on BFV so much. Once they don't like something for some reason (in the case of BFV it was women in the game accounting for like 90% of the hate), everything else in the game is hated by proxy, even if it's a good feature. Same thing is happening to 2042 now. I won't be surprised if the next BF game is a just a BF4 copy, and people go "waaaaa nothing new"

[arctic grove]

It would of worked better if 128 players was still a thing, you'd have 8 squads of 8 people per team, I just feel like it would promote teamwork more and a squad would be able to make a greater impact on the game, instead of what we have now which is 8 squads of 4 people per team

[arctic grove]

100%

[left hollow]

8 people groups would be really cool

[solar tinsel]

I always thought it would be neat if you could choose your squad type

[arctic grove]

Give me more places to spawn as well, since the map big

[pine roost]

One feature I wanted to see come to the game was a way for players in the squad, after being confirmed by the sl, to place some kind of in world marker asking for air support or ground support

Some kind of ping that pilots and tankers are alerted to

[arctic grove]

Think that's called soflam

[solar tinsel]

Fireteam (2 Players) - Can spawn on teammate, and fireteam leader can choose a "fireteam perk" that typically engages when the players work closely together.

Squad (4 players) - What we have now

Platoon (8 players) - Platoon leader spawn only, one (or none) insertion beacon max per platoon, no more than 1 of each specialist per platoon, only Medics can revive. BUT you get the added benefit of all being able to work together

[pine roost]

Then aircraft will be able to directly help the squad

[solar tinsel]

Platoon might need to be 6 players though, because come to think of it aren't only 6 specialists available from the jump?

[arctic grove]

That would be a balancing nightmare, remember you only have 32 or 64 players to work with, so lets say you have 2 fireteams, now you and a friend that wanted one as well can't have one and you have to go into a squad of 6 randoms

[arctic grove]

There were 10

[solar tinsel]

ah gotcha so its 8

[solar tinsel]

well I meant you get to pick going in what you want to do, not that each team had X amount

obviously this would have needed to be planned from the start, cant do it now

but I think it'd be a nice way to mirror Duos/Trios/Quads choices in BR games but integrate that into the Conquest/BT space

like you pick what you want prior to joining

[pine roost]

That could pose a problem IMO. Say you are a squad of 2, you come across an individual in the wild. Then suddenly 7 other people spawn on him instantly.

You could have one player outside an objective that nobody knows about, then 8 players come out of the bushes because they spawn on him

[high wing]

does anyone have some recent gameplay footage from old gen consoles? I was thinking of buying the game but wanna see if it looks ok or like a chinese mobile knockoff on old gen.

[hidden sand]

Last gen looks okay. It looks far worse than BFV does on the same console though, which doesn't make sense, but yeah.

[solar tinsel]

It's a fair point, but I'd argue you can run into the same issue with everyone having 8 player squads. Sure, others can join on you too, but if the concern is that a squad leader will "hang back" and be a beacon, that would be the same problem even if ALL squads were 8p and spawns were leader-locked. It happened back in BF2 as well

and I personally dont think "spawn on any squad member" is viable with 6+ players

[arctic grove]

looks like a chinese knock off. I have both versions on xbox

[pine roost]

Well I’ve played a fair amount of squad, and that has 9 player squads where they can all technically spawn at once, but that’s balanced by different means

[hidden sand]

How are tanks in Squad, Kin?

[solar tinsel]

Interesting. Can they spawn on anyone? Or just a leader/gadget? Or is there some other mechanic at play (like a global squad cooldown for spawns?)

[hearty flame]

tanks are really strong but can be dealt with if they are sloppy or the AT is coordinated/good

[pine roost]

It’s something I’ve not yet delved into, I will go into them soon but I’d say they are very fun and I’ve not heard any problems about balance

[hidden sand]

They look and sound really good, that I do know.

[low timber]

Well that was odd, the new sight Target 8T 1.25-4.5x that is available only on the SFAR and VCAR but I just unlocked it for the DM7, but when I tried to equip it from the after round NEW tab it didn’t get equipped and cannot be equipped as it’s not in the sights list.

[hearty flame]

in squad, infantry has a lot of ways to deal with tanks. they can be tracked/ damaged optics or engine. infantry can build tows or plant mines for them too

[tacit sphinx]

yeah the sight is... not properly implemented, idk if it was supposed to be live yet

it works fine on the vcar and presumably the sfar, but past that it can't be equipped

[pine roost]

So the squad leader has a ‘gadget’ called a rally point. You place that down, that acts as a spawn point like a spawn beacon. But there is a wave timer. So if you choose to spawn you may need to wait 30 seconds, but everyone will spawn at the same time. However if more than one enemy enters a radius around the rally point it will be destroyed. It also only has a set number of spawns

[solar tinsel]

ha weird. I am a bit surprised they limited it to the SFAR and VCAR, maybe it wasnt intended to be released yet

[low timber]

Shame, I like that sight on the SFAR, even tho it’s maybe a bit too high magnification for SFAR to be run as primary sight even with the canted irons.

[pine roost]

They need a full on team to use though, and a job like that is a real responsibility which I personally struggle to get into

[hearty flame]

also if you spawn on a rally you keep the ammo you had on death to a certain amount. the only way to fully kit out is to go to an ammo point to resupply

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I like the 1.5/3x on the SFAR when it comes to hybrid sights, beyond 3 starts being a bit excessive usually. I bet it will be nice on the VCAR though, I have to go for that

[hearty flame]

if you want to start, start by driving. you can learn by interacting with the gunner and commander and its not as demanding or technical

[solar tinsel]

ah cool, I like that approach

[pine roost]

Sounds good. The gunner seems to tell the driver what to do most times after watching videos by WET. But I definetely want to try it out soon

I’ve not got many hours in the game but I’ve been playing since before vehicles were a thing lol

[hearty flame]

Ya. though it sometimes depends on the vehicle squad. some sls like to gun or use commander. if you get the chance, commander seat is the easiest to learn from if the squad already has a gunner and driver. you just point, shoot, and communicate what you see.

[pine roost]

I’m just afraid of making mistakes that cost us the life

But that’s enough squad talk, this is the 2042 channel after all

I’ll get round to playing some more this weekend

[arctic grove]

Has anyone finished the BP in here yet ?

[still vault]

I'm sure there were people who just bought everything on day 1

[solar tinsel]

ha probably

[fiery dawn]

Yeah I saw the new Casper skin that you unlock at like BP lvl 94 on like day 2 or 3 lol

[solar tinsel]

and then go "game has no content to go for!"

[open tangle]

Whales we call em

[open tangle]

Your name sounds like something out of watch dogs

[hidden sand]

Huh rip, sounds kind of uninteresting in that case. I wonder how hard getting a good tanker team would be when playing with randoms.

[solar tinsel]

haha I actually based it off (admittedly not often used) video editing lingo. I work in video production, and it's a bit of a double entendre for that and bringing parts of my life I enjoy together into sync

Not say that I make video game videos, because I don't ha

but just that general idea, never tohught about it as a Watch Dogs thing though, but now that you mention it, makes sense! ha

[open tangle]

Halo has this problem called desync watch dogs has a faction called Dedsec

[solar tinsel]

Halo Dogs

[open tangle]

Woof

[solar tinsel]

I never played any WD beyond the first, have you played the others?

I loved the concept, but thought they totally defeated the purpose of the multiplayer component by having the game not pause when someone was in your session

It should have just been no pause globally

[open tangle]

Yes the second one is good the third one is completely different but if you like futuristic London and silly gameplay it’s alright

[solar tinsel]

seems like Legion took a different turn entirely

[open tangle]

It did

[solar tinsel]

Ubis been kind of having an identity crisis lately IMO

and dont get me wrong, I enjoy a good open world "collect-em-up" as much as anyone else

[open tangle]

Good for them. Who wants the same old shit? Experimentation is good even if it doesn’t work out

[solar tinsel]

I can agree with that

I hope it does result in something better eventually

[open tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-be-sad-this-is-just-how-it-works-out-sometimes-angel-bf2042-battlefield-angel-dont-be-sad-angel-gif-24855532

[solar tinsel]

it seems like they are putting their faith in live service approach though, and we'll see how that goes

that can easily be done poorly ha

[arctic grove]

For sure, however my question was going to be regarding the season badge, does it seem bugged or off to anyone else ?

Also would you get those "points" if you just bought tiers ?

[solar tinsel]

I think it's been fixed now, last I checked

I seemingly actually had the right amount of points for where I was

[hard eagle]

They still have to fix weapon attachment unlocks i think

Unless its me who is doing something wrong

[fiery dawn]

No I have this problem now too. Never had it before this last patch

[hard eagle]

Its been weeks since i got enough kills for the drum mags on mp9

[still vault]

I just got the tier 4 thing with season badge, just think it's hard, not sure if it is bugged

[solar tinsel]

I don't think you would, but I can't say for sure. I know I started at Tier 4 since I had the Year One pass and it reflected 4 levels less of points on my badge than my level

[hard eagle]

Very annoying problem.

[arctic grove]

would be nice if the ever do some qol on item skins. so we see where we got it from. exemple season 1 or season 2 :p

[fiery dawn]

I should've unlocked drum mags for the SFAR a week ago but it still hasn't given it to me. Extremely annoying I agree

[solar tinsel]

It was originally with 1.0 launch, it wouldnt give you points (or at least show them as earned) even after you earned BP points

[arctic grove]

also the previeuw off skins is so barebone ya cant even rotate it vertical or change camera vieuw to see skins good on jets etc :p

[solar tinsel]

The way it is now (assuming it is indeed working) is: (assuming no skips or the free first 4 tiers if you have Y1 pass)

T5 would unlock at 15
T4 would unlock at 50
T3 would unlock at 100

and T2/T1 at some degree of excess beyond that

[dapper river]

Tell that to battlefield fans

[fiery dawn]

true

[still vault]

Battlefield fans are many things 😄

[arctic grove]

an experiment is bad if it failed

isn't it obvious enough

[pine roost]

The community is so large it’s impossible to make something for everyone

[arctic grove]

So if you get 49 points for completing each weeks challenges, you'd end up with 588 points after the 12 weeks which would put you in T4 for the badge, that would put you around level 60 or so on the BP so you'd have to get another 500 or so points by grinding just to get to T1 ? It just seems excessive especially with the amount of XP you need as you get higher into the BP

[open tangle]

Bf2042 hasn’t failed and it just keeps getting better.

[solar tinsel]

I disagree with that sentiment, generally speaking.

[still vault]

Non-WW2 Battlefield is technically an experiment 😄 Guess we should never have had BF2, BF3 or BF4 😄

[arctic grove]

I guess I'll find out soon, I'm almost done

[arctic grove]

well i mostly mean in terms of making AAA games by big studios, "at least they tried" isn't really a valid excuse most of the time

[solar tinsel]

I think the launch failed, but undoubtedly the game is getting better and Post-Season 1 is quite decent and on an upward trajectory, which is great!

[solar tinsel]

Right, I can agree with it in that context haha

[open tangle]

Imagine playing Vanguard over bf2042

[hidden sand]

I am 100% convinced people who say BF should be realistic don't actually want realistic mechanics but the strong art direction of past games have convinced them it is realistic.

[arctic grove]

they were experiments, but they weren't failed experiments, though

[solar tinsel]

yes, but keep in mind as you play you constantly will be getting your XP earned BPs over 12 weeks of playing

[hidden sand]

There are people who to this day call BF3/4 realistic lol.

[solar tinsel]

I admittedly don't know how many instances of 1BP you get per each XP threshold, but it's gotta be at least 5 right?

[still vault]

When they were released a lot of the previous Battlefield fans considered them to be

[arctic grove]

No I get that of course, but at level 72 you need 14,000 xp to get 1 point lol

[dapper river]

They mean "authenticity", I think. They want their army guys to look like army guys, and I don't blame em. If they want realism though they should go play squad or arma

[solar tinsel]

Well, that's Level 72 without considering all of the other weeks of challenges yet to be done

[arctic grove]

You're right, I was just considering the badge to fall in line with completing the BP that's all 😄

[arctic grove]

well, they seem to be liked by a ton of people at this point, they succeeded i'd say

also, ngl i see bf3 and bf4 being referred the most when people say stuff like "it was better before" as prime examples of when it was better

[solar tinsel]

correct, the T2/T1 are indeed excess

thats kind of why the rates are funny and why it drops "per tier" to 75 after T3

[hidden sand]

Hmmm, not really. Those were very, very small minorities that every sequel has.

[solar tinsel]

because I'm assuming DICE knew that the excess XP would be earnable only strictly with XP earn

Im sure we could run math to see what "XP threshold" will be required to reach to guarantee T1, but Im too lazy to do that ha

[hidden sand]

Most people loved the jump from 1942 to vietnam, vietnam to bf2, and so on.

[arctic grove]

Yeah, I'm just complaining cause at 72 it's 14k xp I imagine at 100 it would be like 20k xp for 1 point .......

[solar tinsel]

but if you're 72 already @arctic grove I feel like, if you keep playing consistently for the next 7 weeks, I'd have to imagine you'd comfortably hit T1

[arctic grove]

Ww2 is a boring setting

[hidden sand]

2142 was the one time one of the refractor games was "tossed aside" (if you could even call it that) by the community, and even then it wasn't vocal complaining. People just didn't play it as much as the others.

[solar tinsel]

yeah, the way I see it is similar to the core player level, and how that took more XP to level as you went on

[arctic grove]

yeah plus i got like 7 weeks of challenges too

[solar tinsel]

yup, and especially since during those 7 weeks you'll be passively accuring those 1BPs, even if at a slow rate

[still vault]

Well. It's not many that were around 14-16 when BF1942-BF2 released are on social media and bothering discussing which BF succeeded the most.
Wait 20 years and see how people remember 2042 😄

[solar tinsel]

actually we might be able to figure this out

[placid echo]

1942 was released when medal of honor and cod were doing their wwii days

[bleak fossil]

Mastery bugging

anyone else?

[solar tinsel]

@arctic grove you're 72 + at least 34 levels yet to be earned with future weeks

[little lagoon]

You want something realistic, play hell let loose and hate your life

[solar tinsel]

that puts you at a theoretical 106 right?

[hidden sand]

BF doesn't really have a cycle that many people seem to claim. Most BF games launched well and were received well. BF4 and 2142 were the major exceptions to this, and counting BFV is sort of unfair because it launched pretty well.

[solar tinsel]

That's very close to what is needed for T2 (Which needs a theoretical 107.5)

[arctic grove]

i would really like a realistic BF game and i'm not talking about art, mostly mechanics, but that would be way too far off the game's actual current development direction, because that would require a lot of new mechanics, like..

bleeding system, healthbars separately for different parts of the body, losing access to specific part of the body when it's health bar is depleted, instant death on headshot without helmet, no revives, no health regeneration through quick medic packages etc. only proper medicine, although with all these mechanics idk if it'd be fun anymore

[arctic grove]

T1 is what at 1,150

[solar tinsel]

Yeah, so 115

but my point is if you didn't earn ANY XP right now other than BP points from challenges (obviously not possible)

you'd need roughly 10 more XP ticks at 14k each

so, thats about the equivalent of 1 player level

[mental delta]

1942 was released before any cod gamea

[solar tinsel]

(well I guess 15 XP ticks, so a little over)

[hidden sand]

You're only good example of this is BF4 (which isn't really comparable to 2042s situation) so I'm not sure what makes you think people will suddenly enjoy 2042 out of the blue.
BFs have in retrospect, rarely launched badly, and are received pretty well.

[solar tinsel]

and then assumedly the next 15 XP ticks would cost maybe 15k-16k each

I bet you from BP Tier 100, T2 comes at roughly 1-2 player levels worth of XP, and T1 comes at 2-3 player levels worth of XP

[arctic grove]

1-2 player levels worth of xp lol so thats 280k 😮

[still vault]

Having been on every official Battlefield forum tells a different story

[solar tinsel]

so assuming you go about 5 more player levels now between now and the end of the season, you should get it automatically

[placid echo]

Your correct

[solar tinsel]

true, but Im starting that tracker "now"

[placid echo]

You're*

[solar tinsel]

because that assumed you got no BP from XP other than challenges

[placid echo]

although, it was still the period of world war 2 games being everywhere

[arctic grove]

some people even consider bf4 worse than bf3 to this day, without even mentioning a ton of people still not liking bf5, so people won't be remembering bf2042 as an example of "it was better in the past"

unless it'll go just like with bf5 how people who seemingly didn't have an actual opinion on the game started liking it after bf2042 after just seeing how much worse can it be, but that's it's own kind of situation and people who form opinions through this way, well, idk if it counts

ok ok so based on your calculation I need to grind out 5 or so tiers plus all 12 weeks of challenges and we should be good to go

[solar tinsel]

and of course you'll get XP as you play for the next 7 weeks

[solar tinsel]

Yeah, perhaps to just be over generous, I think if you get 5-6 player levels over the next 7 weeks, plus all of the challenges, I think you'll be good

[placid echo]

I wonder if they'll add the 1942 health and ammo lockers to portal

[hidden sand]

That's not really relevant because games always have criticism directed towards them, even if small. BF1942 to BF3 were not remotely bashed on the way BF4 or 2042 were. Those games were pretty widely loved.

[solar tinsel]

Even though the XP 1BP drip will seem slow, you don't need as many past 1000 for T2/T1

[arctic grove]

Alright lets talk again in September so I can tell you how you screwed me over 😄

[solar tinsel]

haha deal

"YOU PROMISED ME T1 and I got 7 levels and didnt get shit!"

I mean, we probably all get roughly 1-2 player levels a week right?

if not more

[hidden sand]

Cherry picking a few people saying "BF is just like COD now" during BF3s release doesn't really prove a point either.

[arctic grove]

Yeah 1-2 a week is pretty slow but yeah more or less

[solar tinsel]

and this also assumes DICE doesn't offer some "end of season XP/BP boost" which I feel like a lot of companies run events like that

[hidden sand]

There will always be those people, but that doesn't mean the launch itself was bad or that hatred for the game was community wide.

[solar tinsel]

yeah so I probably will bet you meet your criteria (again, assuming challenges complete) in a matter of a few weeks

I will add, if you got the Free 4 tiers, then you will need to do a bit more, but still likely achievable.

[arctic grove]

I probably average around 20k per game so every 7 games or so is a level

[solar tinsel]

yeah honestly thats a good point

especially with the first match of day bonus

[placid echo]

Yes, and that's 10k

[solar tinsel]

hey look we figured out the T2/T1 math, sort of ha

[placid echo]

iirc I'm S076, or around there

[arctic grove]

Doubt anyone was reading what we were saying loool

[solar tinsel]

theyre probably better off haha

[arctic grove]

people saw numbers and the word "multiply" and they said yeah we good

[solar tinsel]

😆

[left hollow]

Ive been reading for a little bit

Have no clue

[placid echo]

I'm eating lunch right now and I forgot my ear buds :(

So that's why I'm just here rn

[solar tinsel]

In short:
~60 BP Tiers come from challenges
~40 BP Tiers need to come from XP earn for Tier 100
~15 "theoretical" tiers need to come from XP earn after that for T1, obviously at a higher XP threshold, but managable it seems

[left hollow]

Okay

[arctic grove]

Give or take a few tiers here and there of course

[left hollow]

That 40 needed to earn seems like alot but we still have like 55 days left

[solar tinsel]

How many levels was specific to Flaw, but if you're past BP60 right now, it's likely met by earning a couple of player levels each week

[solar tinsel]

True, and keep in mind you've always been advancing that since Day 1

since you have always been earning XP, and the early stages its vry quickly earned

[arctic grove]

looking for a group

[arctic grove]

Or you can always pay for bp

[solar tinsel]

If Flaw is needing about 14k per 1BP now at Tier "106" (assuming challenges done later), he needs probably 5-6 more levels over the next 7 weeks.

[solar tinsel]

That likely doesn't advance the badge

[left hollow]

The badge?

[solar tinsel]

but yes, for the actual tier reward

[arctic grove]

it doesnt. It only advances the bp

[solar tinsel]

There is a Season 1 badge with 5 tiers

[arctic grove]

!!lfg

bot doesn't work it seems

Speaking on XP, I played HZ with a few friends last night to complete some achievements, and it surprisingly gives you alot of XP around 25k per win

[left hollow]

Oh wow there really is

I never knew

[arctic grove]

so just go to #lfg-pc or #lfg-xbox or #lfg-playstation channel

[fiery dawn]

How long do the rounds usually take?

[solar tinsel]

Unlocks at Tier 15/50/100/"106.5"/"115" (the latter 2 being theoretical)

[arctic grove]

what you mean?

for searching for players

[arctic grove]

Less then 10 min

[fiery dawn]

Wow interesting

[solar tinsel]

I tend to use all sorts of gadgets and weapons so I dont have many T3 badges, so I actually really enjoy this badge because it reflects all play styles

[arctic grove]

just go to #lfg-pc or #lfg-xbox or #lfg-playstation channel if you want to find someone to play with

[solar tinsel]

I have never been one to lean into just ONE specific item, I like to use it all

[fiery dawn]

Might have to try it out

[left hollow]

Yeah that is true

[solar tinsel]

I wish there was a "badge of badges" ha

like, proficiency with all types of gear

[left hollow]

I like to play falck but other than that I use mostly Every gun

[arctic grove]

Keep in mind thats for a win with a handful of player kills(5-8)

[solar tinsel]

Like, a T1 AR badge that unlocks when you get T3 with every AR or something like that

[cosmic siren]

Game is good, glad I bought it

[tacit sphinx]

there is a player tag about getting like 50 different badges

but i see what you mean, a little different

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I unlocked that one, would love more stuff like that!

[arctic grove]

A badass badge like the completed BP one would look cool for something like that

[solar tinsel]

heck yeah!

[fiery dawn]

Roger. Also I'm level 96 so maybe there's no point other than BP

[solar tinsel]

like I said, thats why I like the season badge, since it reflects all styles of play and it lets you sort of log your season result in the future

[silk surge]

Remember when Exposure was datamined, people made jokes about it being called exposure because the map would be a wide open space? Funny how that turned out.

[arctic grove]

You have many T1's or not yet working on it lol

[sweet barn]

i mean it is wide open space

if you arent in underground you get blased by choppers 24/7

even there you get blasted if they hover near the windows

[left hollow]

I mean people gotta focus them really

[arctic grove]

does someone know if eu and us can play together?

[placid echo]

You can always come at them from above https://streamable.com/xn2ivu

[left hollow]

They'll never expect it

[arctic grove]

Yes they can

[left hollow]

Okay guys I'll see you lot in a bit in gonna hop on 2042

[arctic grove]

k thx

[placid echo]

They'll need to party up or use a portal server

[arctic grove]

average recent BF games experience

vehicles are terrible in terms of balance in fights versus infantry

[arctic grove]

Sundance so strong, not even the blades faze her

[placid echo]

They're very fun to play as

[arctic grove]

vehicle mains when they get hit with the reality of them having 0.2 kd when playing as infantry tho

[placid echo]

50mm is still quite strong, but it is harder to kill groups of infantry if they're more spaced out

I'm not saying it's difficult, but more challenging

[solar tinsel]

I only have the T1 for Rao, and Im close to the SOFLAM T1. I enjoy Rao + SOFLAM as a defensive / vehicle stopping spotter.

and those just also happen to have relatively easier (in my opinion) badges to progress

Meanwhile I think the progression for jets is god awful. Rewards destroys ONLY. No assists, no kills. Sure, the amount is lower, but come on theres only 1 air attack vehicle per game now haha

[arctic grove]

A few badges could honestly use progression revisions

[placid echo]

Direct impacts with the cannon one shot everyone except Dozer... who can live a fucking headshot from it

[sweet barn]

the body blocking for console players is getting out of hand

[placid echo]

For any type of player really

[solar tinsel]

agreed, fully

[placid echo]

One of my problems with big teams, everyone bumping into each other. Hard to run away from a grenade in operation metro when everyone is blocking the way

[solar tinsel]

Dozier/Irish should also include projectiles blocked with their shields/barricades
Lis should be T-84 damage inflicted (in my opinion) not just destroys.

And in general there needs to be a pass on "are these magnitudes balanced" because some progression events are fine, but just are wildly off compared to other things

[solar tinsel]

haha Im amazed that just slamming into a chopper works like that where you can stand on top suddenly

[fiery dawn]

Rao needs a hack range nerf though

It's really too far

[arctic grove]

The easiest badges to currently get to T1 are the med pen and the armor plates imo

You just need them equipped more or less lol

I love my armor plates

[placid echo]

I like the dilemma of, if a Paik hits a Rao, they're now both spotted for everyone

[solar tinsel]

I havent used them much, but I need to give the Med Pen some love sometime soon, seems like a nice assault gadget choice

[solar tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/fight-yourself-spiderman-point-gif-12688624

[lilac dust]

Woah did they change the starting point on breakthrough exposure? Seems so much better

[lucid goblet]

yarp, a few other maps got changed to 128p layouts also

[arctic grove]

I'm almost done all the weapons, working on marksmen rifles right now, and 2 more sidearms (DM7 is gonna make me lose my mind)

[solar tinsel]

Wait really? It's not on the right side base now?

Oh snap

so they did fix the ticket issue then

[placid echo]

I enjoy exposure's music now that it's fixed

[lilac dust]

Ahh I thought it was the 128 layout of what breakthrough would've been had they still supported it on this map with 128

[solar tinsel]

Wow, damn. I wonder if I should just bunker down and go for one to get the dang trophy

congrats though! thats cool

[arctic grove]

I wonder if riding a helicopter on top this way would be in any way beneficial or at least possible so that you can just shoot from there

[solar tinsel]

I just cant bring myself to repeteadly keep using the same weapon though, never have been able to since I first started playing FPS games

[arctic grove]

although it'd probably be easy for the pilot to shake the player off the heli

[solar tinsel]

part of the fun for me is using all of the tools and toys

[solar tinsel]

yeah or a sudden roadkill via collision or something

[arctic grove]

I agree, I just need to please my ocd so that all my "collections" can be red and then I'll use w/e I like best lol

[solar tinsel]

haha god bless you

[fiery dawn]

I just had to play 64 breakthrough on the 128p layout of Kaleidoscope and it wasn't the most fun I've ever had in this game lol

[solar tinsel]

anyways I gotta eat some lunch. Happy Battlefielding all

[arctic grove]

I think discarded BT got changed as well

[arctic grove]

yeah lol collision is glitchy in dice games, got killed once while being on top of a tank in BFV, randomly got killed through collision while still being on top

[fiery dawn]

That already happened to me twice with enemy tanks in this game

[lucid goblet]

yup,only one not changed that ive seen is Breakaway

[hidden sand]

The new Exposure BT layout for current gen is no good at all.

Dunno why they changed it

[lilac dust]

What's the problem on current gen, don't they have the same playercount?

Now that breakthrough is 64 only

[arctic grove]

Lucky you, I wouldn't know because I only get exposure, discarded and hourglass in the rotation

[hidden sand]

The new layout isn't good. The old BT exposure map played a lot better imo.

[slate needle]

any tips on managing to play with the shit tier fucking performance rn

[lilac dust]

Oh so it's not just the starting area then? So far I like the first area change cos it brings attention off that annoying area with the dome building

[arctic grove]

getting a better pc or a better game

[soft swallow]

This new update SUCK

[velvet sand]

Patch 1.1 seems like it is a super mixed bag for PC performance. Some folks are seeing improvements or no change, others are getting serious drops in framerates (even in menus) : /

[soft swallow]

Nah performance are good but it crash, I can't play a game

It's so bad

[hidden sand]

The third sector is where most of the problems come from. It's damn near impossible to capture.

[velvet sand]

Does the new layout still only have the single capture point inside the building?

[soft swallow]

But also Conquest Exodus crash? Or I can play it?

Honestly I don't want to lose the weekly missions for a server issue

[velvet sand]

There's only one weekly mission you lose access to if you don't do it on-time, the rest can be done any time.

[bitter sphinx]

How is the performance on a rtx 2070?

[lilac dust]

Although some of the map layout changes may not be balanced, it's new content and I'm here for it

[little epoch]

battlefield

[hidden sand]

It's pretty easy to make up for too

[queen grove]

The maps in 2042 definitely still need work

[arctic grove]

The tank superiority would be more of a fun mode with more types of ground vehicles and the tanks and ifv well you don’t have a ifv in 2042 you have a apc tank and two Reconnaissance vehicle