battlefield-2042

[stone cradle]

In BF1 and V atleast, you would usually be able to play nearly every map possible at every given time

[next onyx]

That transport heli is too much for exposure breakthrough.

Ruins all flow.

[sweet barn]

how often do featured playlists on portal change?

[uncut bay]

twice a week

[winter swan]

anyone getting the sent back to the menu problem

[tame cobalt]

Where new portal maps tho

Steal how

[grizzled whale]

1 shot kill up to 7 meters

not worth it

[obsidian elk]

Anyone feel like there are just too many Battlefield games?

[low timber]

Jesus, that is bad

[obsidian elk]

Just want to clarify that I don't feel that way

just wondering if people do

[low timber]

Should at least be 10, and even then you are quite screwed

[obsidian elk]

Crossbow in general isn't worth serious usage

Watch them implement a weekly challenge for it though LUL

[next onyx]

Killing them when it's ready to be thrown and the owner ship transfers to you.

Also Marse.

Irish is amazing.

[low timber]

In the stream Dice did week or two ago they did show week 3 missions, I think there was another helicopter one.

[next onyx]

I've never felt so safe behind cover using his APS.

[low timber]

Yeah, I know, always liked him, but did like him more back at launch when his gadgets worked a bit more consistently.

[grizzled whale]

did you see my clips?

[low timber]

What’s the normal bolts ohk range? 35m?

[obsidian elk]

I have not

[grizzled whale]

this

[obsidian elk]

I wouldn't mind being shown that the crossbow is mechanically viable outside of novelty

[low timber]

Oh, the BF3 Xbow only had ohk range of a 20m

Didn’t remember it that weak

[obsidian elk]

Was momentarily distracted by how fucking cool that mackay skin is

But indeed, your gameplay shows that skilled crossbow usage is effective

Though I can't help but feel like DM7 would be 10x better in that exact situation

therefore I still feel like the crossbow is merely a novelty

[tacit sphinx]

it definitely is a bit of a novelty which kinda ends up the nature of a crossbow primary in a shooter, but as far as it goes it’s still very much a viable novelty which is good

[grizzled whale]

imagine being shat on by a novelty weapon tho

[tacit sphinx]

maybe a few tweaks of certain aspects of it would be good but it’s a good starting position as well

also just very satisfying to use

[obsidian elk]

True, it's great for the fun factor

[crude surge]

Low-key explosive bolts + small trucks is hilariously fun

[grizzled whale]

its a 3 hit kill

[crude surge]

It's not gonna replace any AT weapon or rocket but it's hilariously fun to get vehicle kills with it

Three impacts isn't out of the question usually

[strong rampart]

Explain to me how you can launch a lock on missle such as AA without the need to lock on. Several times i get the 'incoming missile' message without the lock on warnings

[tacit sphinx]

some things (sundance’s grenades and one of the vehicle-fired missile types, off the top of my head) don’t require a lock on and just do it themselves

[low timber]

Only jets have those missiles

[strong rampart]

It for sure wasnt a jet this last round

[low timber]

The it was most likely a Sundance anti armor grenade

[sweet barn]

the fucking med pen keeps randomly canceling itself

[tardy fossil]

Don't they have a lock on

[tacit sphinx]

yes but it’s automatic once you throw it

[tardy fossil]

Tbh tho the f35 Is very good

Some say it's overpowered cuz of the VTOL

But it's just fine to me

[lofty nymph]

Jets and overpowered 💀

[livid tapir]

You know what's op? Camping spots close to grapple rope

[obsidian elk]

Idc what anyone says, this game is fucking cool

[grizzled whale]

bruh this game is actively killing my pc

the freezes are getting worse

[slim quiver]

then don't play it as much

[sweet barn]

black screen?

i had that twice

[grizzled whale]

no

[sweet barn]

main screen went black and whole pc froze for like 2 mins

[slim quiver]

if you're crashing or blue screening or freezing and your cpu is throttled, then stop playing it as much

[sweet barn]

then game closed and everything was back to normal

[grizzled whale]

screen freezes, audio crackles, keyboard and mouse turn off, whatever key im pressing gets stuck

[slim quiver]

yeah i would not be playing if thats happening

[grizzled whale]

and now it even switches my audio from my headphones to my monitor speaker

[slim quiver]

thats a whole ton of shit fucking up

give it a rest

you dont want shit to get worse

[grizzled whale]

idk what it is tho

taks manager doesnt show anything weird

[chilly jacinth]

your pc is cursed

[slim quiver]

Does it show anything while the game is running

[grizzled whale]

nope

gpu dip is when im tabbed out

[slim quiver]

Then it’s probably throttling when you reach high intense scenes

[grizzled whale]

happens whenever

randomly

[slim quiver]

That’s weird

[grizzled whale]

i know

[obsidian elk]

Squad ribbon gained?

Wtf does that mean

[iron wedge]

points

[next onyx]

More lows happen on 128p.

Can't even control my gun reliably because the input is so bad.

The more I play as him the more I appreciate what Irish can do.

[wind coral]

Bruh cant find lobbies 💀

[grizzled whale]

the most annoying part of this fucking freezing issue is that it doesnt show up on any recordings

[sweet barn]

then its ur monitor?

[arctic grove]

man

[slim quiver]

It must be a server issue today

[grizzled whale]

its not my monitor

[slim quiver]

If you’re input is bad at least

It’s definitely not on your end

[slim quiver]

Test other games and see if the same problem replicates

If it does, it’s hardware

If it doesn’t, it’s 2042

[grizzled whale]

only 2042 so far

[slim quiver]

Yeah it’s prob that then

[chilly jacinth]

you need a game that pushes your system hard

[slim quiver]

I would just be mindful so you don’t hurt your PC

2042 doesn’t just push the system hard tho

[sweet barn]

PCs dont have feelings

[slim quiver]

It’s also not optimized well

So it’s a huge CPU hog while being unoptimized

[grizzled whale]

got this done anyway

probably gonna reinstall and see if that fixes anything

[slim quiver]

It’s good to know the crossbow isn’t a shit weapon

If people can T1 it, then it isn’t bad

[grizzled whale]

i mean i can

doesnt mean many others can

[chilly jacinth]

its just kills

[slim quiver]

You did it in under a week

[chilly jacinth]

how cant you T1 it

[amber kelp]

anyone can tier 1 a shit weapon it just takes a while

[slim quiver]

It’s just kills, I don’t see why other people can’t do it

[slim quiver]

Some people do it in 24 hrs

[grizzled whale]

because most people will give up before getting it T1 because its a pretty high skill weapon to use effectively

[slim quiver]

Way literally T1’d the VSS in 24 hrs

Honestly I don’t think any weapon is really high skill. You just need to set up the right environment to get what you want

[arctic grove]

there's not rlly any shit weapons in this game lmao

[grizzled whale]

Vcar

[slim quiver]

I use the VCAR

It isn’t bad imo

[last swift]

you can have skill or time, you don´t have to reach T1 in a month

[upbeat sand]

Dang and I'm just here not having any t1s cause I use a variety of things

Closest is around 300+ kills on m5 until t1 and 800 kills on makay

[slim quiver]

I don’t T1 any gun Because I do the same

[grizzled whale]

i use a variety of weapons too

and ive got them all T1 except the mp28

[upbeat sand]

Ey sometimes doing that same thing over and over gets really repetitive

[last swift]

because you have time

[slim quiver]

I T1’d paik because I’ve never played other operators since I unlocked her. So I played I think Casper and drone spotted until I unlocked paik

[grizzled whale]

450 hours in 7 months isnt even that much

[slim quiver]

I’ve only played 2 operators

Casper and paik

I never even got a kill with Casper

[upbeat sand]

I mains are makay for assault, irish for engineer, rao for recon and angel for medic

[grizzled whale]

mackay is best

[upbeat sand]

Canadian pathfinder

[buoyant coyote]

What's the best ar

[slim quiver]

I main’d medic in every single bf game to date except 2042

[upbeat sand]

Yes

[slim quiver]

Scar

[buoyant coyote]

Wb m5

[slim quiver]

The m5 isn’t good as an AR

it’s good as an SMG

[buoyant coyote]

Is a dmr or are better for medium range

[slim quiver]

Yes because the VSS exists

[buoyant coyote]

I meant ar not are

[obsidian elk]

How would you say the AK24 compares against the SCAR if the AK is equipped with high power and long barrel

[slim quiver]

Still not as good

[next onyx]

Ak24 runs as the middle ground.

[slim quiver]

Because it simply isn’t better than the m5 or the Scar

[next onyx]

The AK is a good gun and it's slightly better now that the SCAR's range has been nerfed a tiny bit.

(70 > 50M.)

[slim quiver]

It’s better damage than the m5 but less accurate and slower

Scar is still better

Because it’s slower and hits harder and it feels more accurate than AK

Honestly BF hasn’t made a proper AK since hardline

Hardline has the best feeling AK in bf

[next onyx]

I'd love a modern RPK 12 from bf4.

Well err.

you know.

[slim quiver]

The newest AK

Which is the AK19

Fires 700 RPM

The Ak in 2042 is slow

It fires 50 RPM less

Even less with high power

The 2 round burst is fast but it sucks

[amber kelp]

cant you turn the ak24 into one?

[slim quiver]

If they want to balance it, just buff the fire rate by 50 for standard and high power

That way the AK is better than the M5 at medium ranges

Especially if they slightly buff the accuracy

M5 will be better at close, AK can be better than m5 but not as good as scar at longer ranges but still be comparable to it at medium

Right now the Ak is the worse of the 3

[cunning breach]

You guys are talking about a game when Carson lost 200‚000$ of his life savings on bitcoin and you're talking about a video game?

[wind coral]

bro why cant I ever get gunners who know how to aim

what a scam

[next onyx]

Sadly not.

[slim quiver]

Who cares

Maybe next time he won’t invest on a liquid value stock

[cunning breach]

What about aircraft mains? @slim quiver

[slim quiver]

They’re the worst

[next onyx]

The m5 could use an RPM boost with normal stand for sake of that, With adjustments here and there.

[slim quiver]

It shoots at 750 RPM

100 more as is than the AK

If you buff the rpm again the m5 will be better than the AK

Because it will always be more accurate

[amber kelp]

what about long barrel + bipod + drum mag?

[slim quiver]

High power rounds for the AK alone should be 28 damage instead of 26

[next onyx]

Yeah nutter still nah.

[amber kelp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slim quiver]

I wish the game was futuristic

More I think about it

The more it just feels like a modern shooter and not really a futuristic one

[tame cobalt]

Manifests cq64 version is pretty good

[next onyx]

64P is generally better anyways.

[obsidian elk]

So I was just playing US on Breakthrough Exposure and we had a hind on 2nd phase

can someone explain

[obsidian elk]

Disagree on being "generally" better; 64 is good when you don't feel like partaking in the chaos of 128

[next onyx]

Performance isn't so shit.

Input isn't so shit on 64 too.

I can't control guns reliably on 128, On 64P I'm suddenly beaming people from 60 metres away.

[tame cobalt]

yeah but many of these 64p versions aren't so well designed, trying to find out which ones are the best

[cunning breach]

how big is exposure bigger than golmud railway?

[amber kelp]

the 128p maps arent that well designed either

[slim quiver]

64 has a more balanced flow

128 seems so hard to manage really

[tame cobalt]

welp

[slim quiver]

Even in conquest it’s just so much to keep track of

[dire quest]

128p rush plays great

128 rush on Exposure tho...

[amber kelp]

still think that the maps are the real issue rather than the playercount considering battlebit managed to make 256 players flow well

[grizzled whale]

rush on exposure in general...

[dire quest]

Mag did 256 players before battlebit

[amber kelp]

never heard of mag

[dire quest]

And on ps3

[tame cobalt]

no

[slim quiver]

Battlebit is also a Minecraft game

[slim quiver]

Yeah and it was amazing

[dire quest]

M.A.G
Massive
Action
Game

[chilly jacinth]

never heard of it

must be ass then

[dire quest]

Ps3 exclusive

[tame cobalt]

Based

[slim quiver]

Battlebit is really a game that can’t be taken seriously. Like the game itself is a meme game. It’s basically a bigger phantom forces

[amber kelp]

that was my first impression but the gameplay is really fucking good.

[slim quiver]

In fact it feels almost exactly the same as phantom forces

[grizzled whale]

this be lookinhggood

[chilly jacinth]

its just a roblox game

[slim quiver]

Exactly

Even phantom forces has good gameplay

But it isn’t a game I can take seriously

[chilly jacinth]

they all use the same shit foundation

[slim quiver]

The art style is horrendous

They could have made an actual battlefield style game but it would have taken years. They’re making this in under a year pretty much

[amber kelp]

yeah but it also uses that art style to its advantage. Because the graphics take so little to process they can get away with stuff like extremely dynamic destruction and pushing the playercount to absurd numbers while still having it run on most computers. Its a fair tradeoff imo

[slim quiver]

Idk like

Destruction doesn’t mean much if it doesn’t look good

Same thing with the idea of shoving the player count up to huge amounts

Like from a visual standpoint it looks more like clutter

[amber kelp]

destruction isnt just about spectacle, its gameplay too.
Sure the game isnt that immersive but it very fun regardelss

[slim quiver]

Destruction usually does the opposite for gameplay tho

Look at games like battlefield or BFV where when a certain amount of buildings get destroyed the map changes in a negative way

Instead of changing into a positive

[honest herald]

I hope the make the no mans sky move

[slim quiver]

The more things get destroyed with 256 players, the less cover you have which creates just a worse map flow

[amber kelp]

I never felt like the maps were ruined by it when I played, even though every building can collapse. I suspect its because the simple art style meant they could get away with having far more fully explorable buildings on a map.

and because you can destroy things in smaller chunks so its not either "wall exists here or its completely gone"

[slim quiver]

When I played in the April play test it just seemed like the flow wasn’t all there

Like it’s a fun little game to mindlessly run around on

But it just feels like a game I could never spend dozens of hours on

[naive sandal]

I use regular arrow at close range and explosive at mid range... https://youtu.be/DZxLlAz5_WE - hilarious when you hit people with the explosive bolt and they panick cause they can't do shit lol

[hidden sand]

The playercount was ridiculous in Battlebit. It was fun for about 2 minutes until I realized you essentially couldn't accomplish or strategize anything at all.

Would've been a lot better at 64.

[slim quiver]

Yeah this pretty much

Again you can’t take it seriously

[uncut bay]

i remember when youtubers were treating it as a good alternative to 2042 lol

like, just go play the old battlefield games at that point

[chilly jacinth]

they 100% did it for the clicks

1 minute of playing reveals that its awful

[slim quiver]

Bf YouTubers can’t be trusted

[next onyx]

Just get rid of armour Dice jeez.

Flakfire and Ravic are the good ones.

Just find them more honest than the majority.

[slim quiver]

Before the game released they shilled, after it released they had so much hate and offered alternatives. Now they’re back to shilling it

[tame cobalt]

w

[next onyx]

Armour shouldn't block out two headshots from a fucking SCAR.

[slim quiver]

Armor shouldn’t exist

Especially since not everyone starts with it

[next onyx]

Making things for the lower skilled players will get abused by the higher skilled ones.

Irish shouldn't even have armour.

[tame cobalt]

[next onyx]

It's just stupid.

[slim quiver]

This

[next onyx]

Have ammo packs recover even more ammo, Or hold even more reserve ammo with a kickstart to health regen each pick up.

[hidden sand]

Do ammo bags still not regenerate grenades?

[next onyx]

No.

Which is good.

[forest snow]

Stealth chopper needs a nerf decided

Needs to loose its flares

[tame cobalt]

[hidden sand]

Guess it doesn't need to happen anyway.

Just need that anti-tank bundle some day, DICE.

[amber kelp]

I feel like armor would work if it were tied to classes like in BF2 and clearly indicated to enemies but with everyone being able to equip everything its a mess

[tame cobalt]

Did bolte get buffed when it was moved to tank category

[obsidian elk]

Wtf...I just got 25k exp from a single match

[hidden sand]

BF2 had amour?

I thought that was 2142

[amber kelp]

yep. The Assault, Support, and Anti Tank had armor, but less stamina

[tame cobalt]

Bf4 had armor

As a class perk

[amber kelp]

and it was cringe

[tame cobalt]

But not for headshots

[hidden sand]

Does the game tell you this? Wtf in all my time playing I did not know this

[amber kelp]

yeah its in the class select screen

[tame cobalt]

4 or 2

[obsidian elk]

I think it's interesting to have the option to sacrifice a gadget slot just to tank another shot. It makes assault loadouts a bit hardier. More decision making is a good thing, you should be encouraged to build and set up to your heart's content.

[hidden sand]

Huh I'll have a look later today on 2 then

[obsidian elk]

Ammo bags do regen grenades

[hidden sand]

Still servers active on that game surprisingly

[obsidian elk]

We are talking about 2042 right?

[tame cobalt]

I've never used armor plate or stim shot gadget

Just feels wrong

[hidden sand]

Stim shot and Armour Plates really don't need to be in the game, imo. It just promotes selfish play which this game already does so much.

[obsidian elk]

Idk how to feel about the stim shot because I would rather be hardier with armor than be squishy but heal myself

Because think about it. If I'm in a situation where I'm low hp, and there's no medpack nearby dropped by a teammate, I'm probably in a shit situation anyway

[tame cobalt]

Yes
U should only have self healing when u have actual medic abilities

[obsidian elk]

The stim shot is the actual medic ability

[tame cobalt]

No

[obsidian elk]

you sacrifice ammo and stuff

[amber kelp]

you cant heal someone else with it

[tame cobalt]

Medics help others

Stim shot can't

[obsidian elk]

So you meant a supportive ability

[tame cobalt]

No

Medic

[obsidian elk]

I don't agree that only supports should be able to do supportive things

[hidden sand]

Also, I'm still trying to figure out the point of Falcks self heal when you can just shoot at the ground lol

[amber kelp]

medics dont operate on themselves

[tame cobalt]

Not what i said either

Only those that can heal others should be able to heal themselves

So, med crate good, stim shot bad

[obsidian elk]

I don't think so

[tame cobalt]

Falck good

[obsidian elk]

I think it's interesting that the option exists to support yourself in times of need

[tame cobalt]

[amber kelp]

stim would be fine if it were for a dedicated dps character like BC1's assault but in the current system it just erodes teamplay

[uncut bay]

i'm also not a fan of self heal items, like stim or armor. Just selfish gadgets really

[hidden sand]

Yeah but like, that shows the problem, doesn't it? Selfish play is reinforced even more rather than being a supporting teammate.

BF is based around teamplay, so there needs to be some actual incentives to do that. Which is part of why Specialist can cause so much imbalance.

[amber kelp]

ironically, the problem with specialists is that they arent specialized

[hidden sand]

They had those incentives down really well in BFV, but y'know how DICE is lol.

[obsidian elk]

Holy shit

why have I just now discovered the SVK

It's so good and satisfying

omfg

[amber kelp]

well, bfv's class system still had the assault be too potent and not enough reason to play support imo.
Annoyingly, the categories that specialists are split into sound like a really good class system that fixes both of those issues

[next onyx]

Ironically support was actually pretty alright but I do agree that it was a bit underpowered at times.

[amber kelp]

The issue with support is not so much that he is bad, but that if a player wants to support their teammates they will be much more effective playing medic.

[obsidian elk]

The problem I see, is not that selfish play is reinforced or encouraged.

The problem I see is that teamplay is not reinforced or encouraged enough, in spite of the fact that you literally cannot win the game or attain good scores without teamplay.

This paradox is at the core of the game, and actually has semi-easy fixes, including things such as more EXP rewards for squad interactions, providing a menu where you can see the current loadouts of your squad members, encouraging squad members to follow the leader's commands with stuff like EXP and squad fire support rewards (like the old games had.)

The lack of teamwork can also be solved in much more minor ways, like adding a lightweight visual effect on a vehicle when Rao hacks it, something 2D so it can be light on the GPU.

Encourage teamwork first before you start removing options like Armor Plates and Stimshots.

[amber kelp]

teamwork will be much better encouraged by giving each class blindspots that can only be overcome by working with other classes rather than by giving them more points on the scoreboard.

[chilly jacinth]

i get good scores like every game with a real bad squad or even entire team

[obsidian elk]

Well, yeah, you can have 50 kills and 3 deaths, and that's a "good" score, but no caps or assists is kinda sussy

"Good score" is subjective, you are correct

but in the context, I meant a good team score

High kills, low deaths, high assists, high captures

Not just high kills low deaths

[chilly jacinth]

why are assists important

[amber kelp]

only spotting assists are really important.
normal assists means you just failed to kill

[livid tapir]

because!

[tulip charm]

what are the green dots next to weapons in match?

[chilly jacinth]

its what your squad is using

[livid tapir]

me after putting 10 bullets into an enemy and still getting assist

[hidden sand]

I mean, you can realize even with or without incentives that those two gadgets are only geared towards selfish players, pushing the problem further. The problem lies with how a lot of the specialist are geared towards selfish play, so even with those incentives, they would need to be properly balanced anyway.

[livid tapir]

enemy after they one shot me after taking 10 bullets from me

[obsidian elk]

Probably, but my point is that adding more incentives and encouragement to teamwork will provide the game with a solid foundation where we then are more capable of assessing what needs to be changed or not.

My point is that right now it's super easy for us to say that they need to delete armor and stimpaks because they're too selfish, when the game is, as you say, geared towards selfishness

Gear it in a more teamwork oriented direction, and then we can work on finding a middle ground

instead of deleting/removing strategies and loadouts

[amber kelp]

xp bonuses wont suddenly make the game not geared towards selfishness.
Killing sprees are a much better reward for many than the scoreboard

[hidden sand]

I think we're already capable of that personally. Incentives would absolutely help, but you'd absolutely still see the same problems. It's not going to magically fix the problem selfish items create, because they still yknow, exist.

[arctic grove]

2042 is no more geared towards selfishness than any other battlefield

And having blindspots really didn't do anything

[obsidian elk]

Anyone else feel like crosshairs on 4x scopes are kind of ass? I don't know why it feels harder to hit pinpoint shots on 4x scopes than it is on 3x/2x

[amber kelp]

what blindspots? Its super easy in 2042 to make a setup good in most situations

[obsidian elk]

Is it a weapon range thing?

[chilly jacinth]

removing armor would really help not getting BSd by someone simply because they had more hp from an item

[raven smelt]

skill issue

[chilly jacinth]

yes

[raven smelt]

🙂

[glass wyvern]

@viscid bone hello, I only have one mission challenge left in week 2. The one where you have to do a multiple elimination with "any explosive".I just destroyed a transport helicopter with 4 people on board, I did get the mention multiple elimination with the exp on the screen but not the challenge. I specify that I exploded it with the M5 recoilless CG. If this explosive doesn't count, can you tell me which ones work? Thanks.

[chilly jacinth]

any explosive should work

[raven smelt]

legit just be a heli front gunner and you will get it in 1 match

[hidden sand]

That's quite literally not true though? You couldn't be a one man army in past games like this. Each class had specific weaknesses you had to take into account, there was no ultimate class in like, BFV for instance. You had to work together in order to fight those. Players will act selfishly, but that's not entirely on the game design.

[obsidian elk]

They exist to give selfish strategies a place in the game. Even if all your gadgets + your specialist's power are all selfish, you are still able to revive your teammates, assist on kills, assist on captures, push points together, etc. Because the core of Battlefield is playing as a team, even if all your gear is selfishly focused, you have to play together to get anywhere.

It's the reason why solo capping a flag takes foreeeeever.

[sick helm]

I bought battlefield 2042 for my dad on his birthday and as his father's day gift

[raven smelt]

I hope he likes it

[sick helm]

He loves it

[raven smelt]

Thats great!

[arctic grove]

I hope he likes it

[tulip charm]

oh thx

and is there a way to change squad? couldnt find it

[amber kelp]

I think the gigabrain move for a good class system in the next bf is to give the selfish class a spawn beacon so his self interest helps out his team

[glass wyvern]

However, I have won several multiple eliminations with vehicles then with the CG M5 but nothing helps.

[obsidian elk]

There is, it's just not obvious because the squad system isn't that robust currently

[next onyx]

That's brilliant to hear.

[sick helm]

Yes in deed

[obsidian elk]

When you're in the Deploy menu (so, after you die or before the game starts) you can go into Squad and Players and change your squad

[raven smelt]

idk I got mine after getting a triple kill as the front gunner in a condor

literally took me 5 mins

[glass wyvern]

Ok thanks for the information

[arctic grove]

Nonsense. How exactly are you a 1 man army in 2042 when you have, at max, 2 roles. You have a primary role through the specialist gadget, and a secondary role through a shared gadget. This is not a 1 man army. You didn't have to work together in previous BF games. I was engineer and a 1 man army in BF4. All I need is an smg and a smaw, and I can take on an army. The VAST MAJORITY of people playing a class in previous games did it not for the support role or teamwork, they did it to use their favorite weapon. In fact, I've noticed more revives than ever with 2042, because Falck players can choose whatever gun they want, a secondary gadget they want, and be as combat effective as they want while also being able to farm points/XP by reviving and healing people. It's a win win for everyone. Adding arbitrary class restrictions didn't create teamwork. That's just a myth people like you have been perpetuating because you don't like adapting to the new system.

[slim quiver]

If that’s the case though we should be able to customize our operators freely in what they can use instead of restricting them to specific classes they can play as tbh.

That way we can fully customize their gadgets and set ups

[arctic grove]

"2042 lacks teamwork because specialists". What a load of absolutely bullshit

What creates more teamwork is stronger support roles

And that's what we got. Points and XP has always been the incintive to work together. That hasn't changed

[sweet barn]

specialists > classes

[amber kelp]

All I need is an smg and a smaw, and I can take on an army
Lol

[sweet barn]

[raven smelt]

Lowkey agree with this, its not like we dont still have the class system its just been done different to the traditional bf way

[obsidian elk]

There are limits to everything. The reason why we can't mix and match operator powers and passives is because a meta will very quickly develop for what is the "best" for every kind of loadout. For example, if you want an anti-vehicle loadout, you'll always pick either Lis's passive or Dozer's.

Therefore the specialists create a sort of "foundation" where you can mix and match things with them. Even a sandbox needs frames.

[arctic grove]

And the only time teamwork was actually consistent and reliable was when you were on discord in a voice chat coordinating with your friends.

Tired of this "oh we need classes because somehow arbitrary restrictions was good". No, that's completely utter bullshit.

[amber kelp]

yeah that guy running mackay with armor packs is really helping out

[arctic grove]

He's a sweeper. An assault class. Yes he is helping out because that's what he's supposed to do. Go in there and kill people

[raven smelt]

I mean mackay is an assault specialist It makes sense for him to use armor packs

He is meant for outright combat and movement

[arctic grove]

Is an F-22 raptor useless by only shooting down other jets and not supporting ground troops? Absolutely not, because killing bad guys is an important part of the war.

McKay is the best anti-infantry character. That's his ROLE

[amber kelp]

guess cod has great teamplay

[chilly jacinth]

it does but not like battlefield

[amber kelp]

[chilly jacinth]

not great

but teamplay

[hidden sand]

"How exactly are you a 1 man army"
I can revive, heal myself, heal others, and be anti tank.
Or I could be Angel, Revive people, resupply people, and be anti-tank.

If this isn't apparent, I'm not sure how else to elaborate on that.

"You didn't have to work together in previous BF games."

I brought up BFV, so my points will be about that game and how it went about teamplay.

Medics were needed to keep attackers or defense going in just about any gamemode, but at the same time, that's all they could do. Heal and revive. Assaults were AT, but needed to rely on Supports to get ammo back for that. However, one thing that pushed that further was how well they incentivized it. The XP bonuses were done well, the animations were super satisfying, and handing those support items over was an easy thing. Those restrictions required teamwork, because each one relied on each other to an extent. This worked really well in my experience.

People are going to act selfishly, but you can't counter that too much. But Classes incentivized teamplay far better than a loadout system ever could. That's why they existed in the first place.

[arctic grove]

You have literally zero counterargument. BF has a variety of roles contributing to the overall team, and killing mofos is one of those roles.

[amber kelp]

and in 2042 you can take like 3 at once which means you dont have to work with anyone else

[arctic grove]

Bullshit, as I already said the incentive for helping out your team was always XP and points. Arbitrary class restrictions arent going to force you to work with your team. What made people support their team was the XP or points they got from doing it. That's why received are so common now. Because a revive is worth the same amount of points as a kill.

[amber kelp]

and theres nothing wrong with a dps role but when that dps role can also heal himself or play anti tank or spot then he's not exactly specialized in anti infantry anymore is he?

[hidden sand]

I mean I don't agree. In my experience class restrictions absolutely led to more of my teammates working together and fufilling each others roles. It forced you to think about those limitations and what you can actually do in that role.

[amber kelp]

besides, a lot of people just dont give a shit about the scoreboard

[arctic grove]

This is a terrible argument on every level since you absolutely failed to address the fact that supporting your team was always a matter of XP and points. I will say it again: that is the main incentive and have 2-3 combat roles will not change this. I personally find it great that I am getting more resupplies, heals, and revives than ever. Do you think this is a bad thing? The reason I'm receiving all this support is because the guys playing those support roles can also fulfill secondary or even third roles while supporting me.

[amber kelp]

you absolutely failed to address the fact that supporting your team was always a matter of XP and points
I support teammates cause its fun

[arctic grove]

Yes yes I know, the reality doesn't suit your purposes in this argument, but I'm receiving way more support than I ever did in any other BF game. There's plenty of people that will agree with me.

[left hollow]

One thing I think they could do is restrict the launchers and stuff in that bit to different classes

[arctic grove]

And the vast majority of people do it so they can unlock shit with xp

Most people find shooting guys in the head fun

[hidden sand]

The reality? Lol nevermind this is a pointless argument.

[slim quiver]

I guess but people already pick Mets operators which kind of creates problems that are unavoidable

[raven smelt]

This channel is constantly a pointless argument lmao

[hidden sand]

That's a really good point lol

[arctic grove]

Your telling me people chose assault for the revives in BF4? Not the grenade launcher and assault riffle?

Yeah that's cap

[slim quiver]

Also I rarely see teamwork in 2042. I saw the most teamwork in BFV because people could toss me ammo and health with 1 button

It was the most intuitive system in the way

[hidden sand]

I'm really curious if they plan to improve tanks in the next update, hope they do

[arctic grove]

In 2042 people are choosing the support specialist to fulfill that role. It's not tainted by the weapon restrictions.

[hidden sand]

7 months now with tanks being the way they are. Hope fixes are soon.

[amber kelp]

youre projecting.
Sure many people are motivated by achievements. Others are motivated by the combat itself, the social aspect of the game, or the novelty of trying things out. Your motivations arent the same as everyone else.
Xp will help teamplay sure, but not for everyone. We can see evidence for this in other games, for example people will play medic in tf2 and be mid scoreboard or support in overwatch where there is no scoreboard at all

[arctic grove]

"I have no counterargument" LOL

[lilac dust]

I hope we get naval maps at some point. Naval strike in BF4 was so fun

[next onyx]

We already have the "best" loadouts.

In a way.

[arctic grove]

I'm not projecting. Are you not doing the same in that case? Like really, you think people found it more fun to revive than to play their favorite gun and shoot people? You are forgetting BF is only a slight step above COD with an overlapping audience. Of course the main incentive for people to support their team is going to be rooted in selfishness.

Xp may not be the motivation for everyone, but it is without a doubt the motivation for the vast majority of people.

[livid galleon]

There are a lot of different information and statements about whether the 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio is used to calculate the horizontal FOV (as the value entered represents the vertical FOV).

So, some do say it's still 4:3 as it was with past BF games, including also BFV. Others do say Dice removed the 4:3 ratio and now with BF2042 it's the 16:9 ratio.

Now... Can please someone officially confirm what's now used with BF2042, so that I known how I have to calculate the vertical FOV. 😊

[hidden sand]

I'd want more Naval vehicles than just an attack boat if they were to be added. BF4 vehicle play was really boring for how little it gave you to work with.

[next onyx]

Oh yeah how bf5 handled naval combat since there were barely any maps that utilised water.

[amber kelp]

Like really, you think people found it more fun to revive than to play their favorite gun and shoot people?
Yes, people do this. Im not projecting, ive seen it myself and I do it myself. This isnt me pulling stuff out of my ass its a model thats been used by game designers for years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartle_taxonomy_of_player_types
Simply put, a lot of people just dont give a shit about xp.

[next onyx]

The closest I've gotten to Naval combat is rocketing Landing crafts and strafing Dinghies.

Which by the way is an amazing feeling.

[hidden sand]

I keep typing BFV instinctively whenever I'm mentioning another game, I've mentioned it so many times now lol.

[amber kelp]

turning tides slapped so hard

[arctic grove]

You quoted a wiki article without understanding the limitations of the study, and understanding that motivations vary from game to game by a drastic amount.

The majority of people fall under the killer category in an FPS game, and specialists allow you to be more effective than ever before in this role, while also filling the "support" role. Again, this is a win win

And simply put, a lot of people do give a shit about XP, especially when it unlocks new shit to kill people with

[hidden sand]

BF4 vehicle play is bad, only one loadout is good for nearly all of the vehicles, and It's only one vehicle type per category and faction. BFV did far better with this.

[arctic grove]

Agreed

[amber kelp]

killers only care about score in single player games. In multiplayer its about winning and killing people.
Achievers care about xp

[obsidian elk]

Guys which would you say is the best out of this list:

BF3

BF4

BF5

[hidden sand]

BFV

[uncut bay]

personally 3, but bfv is mechanically the best

[obsidian elk]

What do you mean by "mechanically"

[visual horizon]

BFV

[arctic grove]

Killers are not an isolated category. Their is signficant overlap between killers and people looking for XP be ause XP unlocks more weapons to kill people with. Killers are so highly competitive, and competitive people often want to boast with more flashy cosmetics and whatnot.

[uncut bay]

the game is just overall made much better in almost every aspect, better vehicle gameplay, infantry gameplay, better visuals, animations, etc. I just have very fond memories of bf3 and it'll probably always be my favorite at heart

[obsidian elk]

I see.

[honest comet]

looks to me that the game actually made comeback 🙂

[amber kelp]

sure. But regardless xp is not the primary motivator for everyone.
Also, plenty of socializers play fps games if those games facilitate social interaction, which bf can with a good squad. Only explorers stay out of this genre

[visual horizon]

honestly, with work, 2042 could top BF4, maybe rival BFV

doubt it'll surpass

[honest comet]

would be happy with that tho 🙂

but yeah still 13k players on steam 😄

[hidden sand]

It would take so much work to rival BFV that I absolutely cannot see it happening, personally.

[honest comet]

same as people tought that game will die completely after s1 drops

and said theres no way thwre will be 10k+ ppl playin

[hidden sand]

But at this point I'm just hoping for the first person animation system from BFV to return. (Not just the reloads and melee, I mean movement, gun bob, etc as well)

[arctic grove]

Yeah, no. The vast majority of FPS players play the game to kill people, and if they can kill people more effectively while having a support role, and also gain XP from that support role. It's a win win. BF2042 is the best at achieving this due to the specialist system. I still very much disagree with the notion that support players play support for the social interaction. Without point/XP incentives, people would not support. This is human nature. Where there is no personal benefit to be derived from doing something, nobody will do that thing.

[hidden sand]

When you run in this game it looks like you're holding a plastic toy, there is no weight when firing or moving on the weapon. Really big downgrade from BFV.

[solar moss]

im just hoping for the next battlefield game to be good

[arctic grove]

This is so true, but a lot of people hated the animations. BFV got lambasted on every level

[solar moss]

the BFV animations and movement are probably the best in an FPS

[uncut bay]

i mean that's just wrong, the personal benefit can be fun, so people will still do things that provide no apparent reward

[solar moss]

its a shame that people didnt appreciate it

[haughty plume]

FIX THE AGMS ON THE F35

[solar moss]

BFV makes mw2019 look janky

[amber kelp]

if they can kill people more effectively while having a support role,
It will always be better for killing to run rocket launchers in your gadget slot.
Without point/XP incentives, people would not support.
Then why do people play support roles in, say, tf2 for example? Or overwatch

[hidden sand]

I swear I've seen multiple people claim that people hated the animations yet this was never something I saw during BFVs peak hate. Attrition and DICEs horrible service were the main two things bashed on.

[lilac dust]

Man ... wtf did they do the nightbird. Feels so unfun to control on controller now

[visual horizon]

same

[arctic grove]

This isn't TF2, this is BF. Different audiences.

And yeah, if Falck can kill more people while running a rocket, and then revive me afterwards, I see no issue with that. It only provides an incentive for more people to play that support role. This is what I've been saying the whole time

[hidden sand]

I honestly feel like it's much easier to fly, I'm surprised at how many people find the changes bad tbh

[amber kelp]

You said FPS players were only motivated by killing

[arctic grove]

It's not wrong. It's a competitive FPS game. The primary motivation of most people is going to be selfish. Of course there will be those people like nutterwothabrick who support just because they like supporting people, but this is a minority of people.

[arctic grove]

No I didn't. I said it's the primary motivation

The vast majority of people are motivated by killing

[amber kelp]

Im starting to think he's just sociopath and cannot understand this

[uncut bay]

doesn't matter if it's a minority, you said nobody would support at all

[lilac dust]

We talking controller or M&K tho? Cos I hear that it's an improvement on M&K but I feel so limited with my camera now on controller

[arctic grove]

Resorting to personal insults now. How classy. Is everyone who disagrees with you a sociopath?

[honest comet]

lol

[hidden sand]

Controller. Aiming is so much easier than it was before to me.

[amber kelp]

people who cannot comprehend other players wanting to help are total sociopaths.

[arctic grove]

That's a general rule. Of course it's "nobody" but you will see a drastic decline in the amount of people playing a support role.

I wager the vast majority of people playing the support role would stop if there was no reward beyond socializing

[honest comet]

tbh im playin not to be support and help others get kdr for free lol

[next onyx]

Okay. Irish is the best for breakthrough holy.

[lilac dust]

I want to understand the change better and maybe I can learn to appreciate it. Do you think it is easier to aim because you have less control with the camera? Maybe that's not the right way to put it. It's been a while since I used it, but I just remember being able to freely move my camera more which felt good.

[amber kelp]

I get not wanting to do it, it not fun for everyone. But you can at least understand that some people do want to do it right?

[honest comet]

sure 🙂 whatever makes ppl happy out of a game ^^

[arctic grove]

Lol, who says I can't comprehend that? I said that the vast majority of people don't do those things just to help. That doesn't make me a sociopath. I think jumping to the conclusion that someone is a sociopath, just because they disagree with your opinion on what motivates most support players, is totally inappropriate here.

There are a ton of people playing this game with a ton of different motivations. Nobody is arguing against that.

I'm saying most people would like some reward for supporting people though

Is that being a sociopath?

[amber kelp]

people who care about score want the reward, but not everyone cares about score. Hell you even said yourself a large amount of people just care about the kill, and I think you really underestimate how many people support for its own sake.

[arctic grove]

And also, what exactly is 2042 doing that doesn't allow you to play selflessly as a support class just to help your team? Falck is literally the most powerful medics we've ever got. Same with angel, who's support crate is massively helpful. What exactly is the issue? That McKay guy running with armor you talked about earlier is dependant on those angel and Falck players.

[arctic grove]

I'm saying most people in a competitive FPS are going to care about score above all else. That's certainly not a stretch. I don't underestimate the amount of people who support for its own sake. I'm saying it's more beneficial for everyone if those support players can be extremely effective in both the support role and combat role.

[amber kelp]

simple: If you specialize your loadout into a role youre handicapping yourself. if you want to be effective, rack up score, or help your team its best to funnel yourself into a generalist setup of some kind because the benefit to stacking several gadgets with the same role is too marginal. When this happens, teamwork becomes less helpful for everyone involved.

[grizzled whale]

Holy shit is that a real american?

[amber kelp]

no americans arent real thats russian propoganda

[hidden sand]

It's primarily the New stealth helis and the littlebird. The attack heli feels horrible to aim in.

But I feel like there's more control in the littlebird now, aiming has become much more precise. That is just my expereince though.

[arctic grove]

I think you underestimate the amount of people who played the classes in previous games just to get their desired weapon, and viewed the support gadget as secondary.

BF has a long history of trying to incentivize more people to play the support role. Classes tried to force people into that role by locking their desired weapon to a particular class. 2042 incentivizes people by giving them more options. I think 2042 is more effective.

[arctic grove]

Yessir hello

[next onyx]

I think bf5 had a pretty good variant of support.

But hardline as well.

[cunning breach]

bfhardline bfv best gun gameplay

[next onyx]

LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO.

[arctic grove]

Oh damn there you go. You admitted it. It's best to funnel yourself in to a generalist setup, and that's what 2042 EXCELS at

[hidden sand]

Way God damn dude

[arctic grove]

You dig your own hole there...

[amber kelp]

I think you underestimate the amount of people who played the classes in previous games just to get their desired weapon, and viewed the support gadget as secondary.
I dont. In fact I always thought that BF's class system could be a lot better, but gutting it all together was not the right move

[cunning breach]

that is false

[next onyx]

Give Irish a try and I am serious.

[cunning breach]

im starting to think you arent a real american.... @arctic grove

[next onyx]

He's so good on breakthrough.

[amber kelp]

Yeah thats the problem, 2042 has too much of a focus on generalist characters. And generalists benefit less from help than specialists
And also generalists are just kinda boring to play IMO

[arctic grove]

Why lol

[next onyx]

Run out with the shield then place the APS behind it or on an area it can catch explosives.

[hidden sand]

I'll try that then.

[arctic grove]

They benefit plenty from help from others. But the real thing here is that the 2042 specialists benefit more from supporting others. It's not necessarily about the need for support players from non-support players, it's about the benefits for support players. That's why I get revived so much. It's why angel crates are everywhere. It's why soany people play angel and Falck.

[hollow fossil]

Perfect for breakthrough, I'm getting close to t1 with him, his aps is a life saver

[honest comet]

u 2 still goin on about it lol

who cares, ppl play for whatever they want

[obsidian elk]

Please stop playing Boris on attack

thanks

[grizzled whale]

@next isle when new weapons on stat page

[next isle]

dunno

[hidden sand]

I wonder if they could easily give tanks APS by just reusing Irishs aps, just making it invisible with a duration and larger radius lol

[next onyx]

I've never felt so safe.

[amber kelp]

They benefit plenty from help from others
how so? If I can heal myself then I benefit less from a medic teammate than if I couldnt. If I can deal AT damage then I benefit less from AT help from a friend.

[arctic grove]

I don't really mind playing a generalist, but I typically don't. I run Sundance with armor and an MP9. I don't play any support. You should see my stats. @amber kelp

So I'm heavily specialized towards flanking and killing groups of people. I rely totally on my support teammates to be successful, and my own personal anecdote is that I get revived way more, and I am always running into ammo crates. Exposure is a Greta example. Those meat grinder areas make me invincible because as soon as I go down, I get a revive. There's always an angel crate around the corner for when I run out of armor or something.

[arctic grove]

Because the med pen sucks, and a med kit will also support your team regardless of what specialist you play. You also can't revive yourself. If you choose AT, you won't be able to heal yourself depending on the specialist you play.

There are still restrictions very much present.

2042 just allows you to optimize your setup for what you want to do more than any other BF. This is absolutely not an issue

[hollow fossil]

Honestly, the only time I have ever used Irish aps was kaleidoscope breakthrough defense on A and B points

[arctic grove]

Like yeah if you play angel you can choose a setup where you pretty much don't need any support, but you can still support others and there are plenty of people who need support

[obsidian elk]

Very true

[obsidian elk]

Agreed

[arctic grove]

And again, that's dependant on what you are trying to do.

Not everyone wants to be a jack of all trades guy. The most potent combat guy is gonna be McKay with an M5 recoilless or something. A lot of people gravitate towards that

[forest snow]

why do so many teams just let the stealth chopper fly around killing them and do nothing about it downside to new players

[amber kelp]

and that interaction is so much more interesting than two guys running generalist set ups where the only benefit of being together is strength of number. But you are handicapping yourself when you do this, you would benefit more running a medpack and spotting balls, cause then you wouldnt need to refresh the armor you could just heal yourself.
You can have these interactions in the game but nothing is pushing people towards them.

[ebon pilot]

Nobody plays Rao and it's sad

[forest snow]

recently been on so trash teams as off late to the point where its better to just leave

[arctic grove]

Te benefit of being together is racking up an assload of points both being able to kill lots of enemies, while passively rearming or healing your teammates. This is definitely pushing people towards team oriented interactions, and I'm seeing it constantly.

It's just I'm a K/D warrior lol

[torn wigeon]

does soflam work for the new opps rocket launcher also is the smoke launcher good for anything a greande cant do

[low timber]

Maaaybe the APS should be able to shoot down C5… seeing a lot more people just running in to die and get few C5 kills. (Exposure Breakthrough)

[arctic grove]

Also armor is WAY better than a med pen. I don't need to heal myself when I auto regenrate anyways.

[hidden sand]

Rao is so broken against ground vehicles lol
It shocks me that more people don't

[low timber]

I’d play Rao if his hack on enemy gadgets would be a hijack instead of a few second disable.

[torn wigeon]

casually walks up to tank waits 5 seconds for it to not shoot then c5 it😎

[arctic grove]

bf2042 pc only cheaters

[ebon pilot]

That'd be cool. "I'm in", pulls out laptop, flies away with drone

[fallen leaf]

did you enter just to say that

[hidden sand]

Wdym exactly? Wouldn't that only really be viable on the drone?

[lilac dust]

Anyone else put more hours into exposure already than any of the base game maps? 🤣

[arctic grove]

Exposure is lit

[fallen leaf]

well a proximity hijack would be actually pretty good

[hidden sand]

What would be hijacked though

[low timber]

Hack Boris’ turret, turret shoots at Boris
Hack enemy AT mine, now they are mine and detonate on enemy vehicles
Hack Irish’s APS, now shoots down enemy grenades
Etc.

[hidden sand]

That would be sick actually tbh

[fallen leaf]

drones, turrets, that korean girl's wallhacks

[white dagger]

What’s a multikill?

[low timber]

3 kills in a very short time.

[fallen leaf]

when you kill, but more

[white dagger]

Great. Do missiles from vehicles count as explosives?

[fallen leaf]

uhhh yea

[white dagger]

Or do I have to use M5 or C5

[low timber]

Anything that explodes should.

[fallen leaf]

no wait maybe he means infantry explosives

[low timber]

Like I got mine with a frag grenade in Exposure breakthrough

[white dagger]

There’s only one problem: Since every map only has one helicopter, you can’t even get a helicopter

[hidden sand]

2 tanks also lol

[white dagger]

I will try it with the M5 or C5 or grenades or whatever. There’s no way to get a helicopter with only 1 available

[hidden sand]

and one of those is a bolte

[low timber]

But don’t worry, that weekly is available to you until season 1 ends, so you’ve got 10 weeks

[torn wigeon]

hijacks enemy gadgets and disable vehicles and heli longer range 1 minute cooldown for any vehicle to get raoed again

[low timber]

Didn’t BFV have a mission once to get a multi kill without explosives?

[tame cobalt]

Honestly shocking that season 1 didn't launch with at least 1 portal map. And no news about portal from ea.

[low timber]

I think I got that once in Devastation with the Suomi

[arctic grove]

I got destroyed by a transport heli as a jet, I think I'm gonna bang my head on the wall

[hidden sand]

BFV has a permanent Iwo Jima BT Server in NA currently lmao.
It's displayed as 42/64 but you can never join it.

[low timber]

We got some news about portal, BF3 will get A-10 and Frogfoot and BC2 will get BMD-3 and Hind.

[tame cobalt]

Maps???

[white dagger]

Ahh bloody hell. Why does it have to be 3 melee kills?

[hidden sand]

Thanks for saying the BMD, I couldn't understand what Freeman said during the BC2 part of that video lol
Just the hind

[low timber]

Tho the BMD-3 will only replace the BMP-2 placeholder and Hind most likely the UH-60 Blackhawk.

[tame cobalt]

They should pump as many bf3 and bad company 2 maps into this game as they can

[white dagger]

I press the button for melee attack, my character just looses all speed and decides to pull out the knife 10 seconds later

[hidden sand]

I think we can assume Portal support has been dropped significantly. Especially with them asking about how we'd feel with no more content and just tools.

[white dagger]

Like. My target already ran a marathon till this guy gets his knife out

[tame cobalt]

Wtf

[buoyant coyote]

It's annoying when u get out the veichle to kill someone and ur guy pulls his knife out

[arctic grove]

They should make a locker type map on 2042, it should bring back a lot of players

[sweet barn]

[hidden sand]

Here's the thing though. If the tools are actually good, and we can make our own maps, for instance, I'd be okay with that in place of content.

[arctic grove]

Locker is good

[sweet barn]

[arctic grove]

MP9 is the manly version of the K30

[low timber]

Dunno about that, as Portal is Ripple Effects responsibility, so unless they have gone full support crew to Dice for the moment then there should be some work they have done but have not revealed it yet, other than those 4 vehicles.

[amber kelp]

Ripple could be working on their own projects tho

[hidden sand]

It's pretty concerning they asked that question though. Heavily insinuates that support has been lowered.

[buoyant coyote]

I has idea

[hidden sand]

They have also said this is all we're getting for Portal in Season 1.

[buoyant coyote]

They can make a map builder and ppl can make maps and the best map comes a real map and it changes every week like fortnite the block

[sweet barn]

[fierce epoch]

Dang, I thought they wanted to work with portal for the long run and make it a huge universe

Although I understand it had many issues at first, not to mention the whole exp fiasco on portal

[slim quiver]

I think portal support will be dropped

I just don’t think it’s popular

[hidden sand]

Portal would have been popular if they had just handled it right, and the core 2042 game had been better.

[slim quiver]

Like at this point it’s a failed idea

[fierce epoch]

Yeah, and the sad thing it was actually a pretty good and solid concept. Just badly executed :/

[bleak nebula]

Portal never had a chance with exp restrictions

[hidden sand]

One thing that genuinely upsets me about this game is how Portal is being handled. We finally get solo play, far better customizability, and multi-era content. And they drop the ball on it so hard.

[slim quiver]

I’ve just taken a look at the game after I had some time with season 1 and I realized they’re way way way behind. Like this game will be over by the time it lifts off the ground as a game

[tame cobalt]

I doubt any player made stuff will compare with more bf3 and bc2 maps from devs

[hidden sand]

Not true. Battlefield 1942 to 2142 all had level editors, and some amazing maps came out of that.

Players can absolutely make content on par with DICE, if the tools are provided.

[fierce epoch]

Meh, I have seen it work extremely well on other games. Depends mostly on the tools the game itself offers.

[low timber]

The problem with portal is that the servers just don’t get filled as people won’t use the server browser.

[next onyx]

When in doubt of an opposing APS, Throw granada.

[slim quiver]

Do people forget how many popular multiplayer maps have been made by fans and not devs

[fierce epoch]

I think they just haven’t experienced it, since the most mainstream dont tend to include this

[hidden sand]

I don't think that's why honestly. It's more likely related to how servers work. If there were persistent servers and the silly XP limitations were gone, there would absolutely be more people playing.

[slim quiver]

DaveJ or DavieJ

DaveJ created one of the most influential maps in multiplayer history

And he was never a developer

[tame cobalt]

If they can't give us more maps they're not gonna make a good level editor either

[low timber]

Have you not checked Portal? Only xp limitations are now on servers with heavy modification and bots, and portal servers don’t throw you out after a round.

[hidden sand]

I have no clue where this idea that players can't make content as good as the developers came from.
Developers were once regular players before jumping into those fields, so.

[fierce epoch]

Yeah exp is full now

[low timber]

Been a month now i think?

[hidden sand]

My bad, I meant to say rented servers lol. But I didn't know about how XP worked now actually, that's sick.

[low timber]

Since the experiment started

[slim quiver]

Dude made wolfenstein 3D maps when he was like 9 and then grew up into a teenager that made De_Dust 2 at 15. And De_cbble

Dust 2 still being one of the most influential competitive fps maps ever made

[low timber]

Portal servers with no modifications other than map, faction and gear/vehicle restrictions have had max xp since March i belive.

[hidden sand]

I've been stuck on Bf2s level editor, hoping that someday DICE releases one for the current games lol.

[slim quiver]

The more I look at 2042

The more I think it wasn’t just a year too early

But more like 2 years

[hidden sand]

No amount of time would have saved this game from the really poor design philosophies that went into it.

[next onyx]

Players make the games now anyways.

In due of feedback.

[hidden sand]

Yeah which is unfortunate. DICE being able to self reflect on their design would be great.
Specifically for vehicles.

But I'm not gonna continue anymore talk about vehicles lol.

Ah btw, finally played BFV on PC. It's weird how different it feels to use SMGs.

Or maybe my mouse sucks.

[next onyx]

What you mean?

Just being easy to control?

[hidden sand]

It's way easier to pinpoint enemies with the mouse, but it doesn't feel as smooth. Accuracy feels jittery.

[next onyx]

Yeah that's how I feel too.

By the way Suika here's another one lol.

[arctic grove]

how is ur frames smooth pls tell me

[hidden sand]

The yells are golden in this game lol

[next onyx]

Uh I have things on high but other parts on medium.

[torn wigeon]

What’s the kick timer

[arctic grove]

wot da gpu?

[arctic grove]

i have 3070 but frames poopoo

[next onyx]

What's your CPU?

I've got a 5600x.

[arctic grove]

i9 10900k

[next onyx]

Hm.

[arctic grove]

I went on this website but it said I should get getting 100 at least :(

[uncut bay]

fps prediction websites are bad

[arctic grove]

i must download more ram

[next onyx]

I get the same frames.

[uncut bay]

better off looking at youtube benchmarks

[next onyx]

I usually sit on 90 to 110.

More often 90 to 100.

[arctic grove]

when i play conquest i only get 50-70

[next onyx]

Yeah 60 to 90 there.

I sit on 64P because it isn't cancer.

[arctic grove]

so uhh how's the new season doing is it any good

[next onyx]

It's good!

We could use more content but what we have isn't bad.

[arctic grove]

nice nice 👌

[tame cobalt]

Sifting through bad player made shit is already my least favourite part of portal and a level editor would worsen that

[next onyx]

@hidden sand Irish good yes?

[arctic grove]

did they buff the sfar? i remember that thing kicking and do not enough damage for firerate

[next onyx]

They changed it around.

It kills in 4 hits within 50M.

Recoil change too.

[arctic grove]

good or bad recoil change

[next onyx]

Good change.

It kicks way less.

[arctic grove]

yeah let me get this off my chest
2042 isn't a bad game its just plagued by annoying technical issues and immersion breaking bugs
2042 and V was ravaged by the fans and put a shitstain on the franchise and dice overall

[low timber]

So far of my 20 kills 19 are from frag grenades...

[next onyx]

Basically that Bloom.

They both had a lot of issues but with how 2042 is, I can say that I'm enjoying it more now.

And I hated 2042 at release.

[hidden sand]

God damn lmao
That's such a nasty spot to put them too

[arctic grove]

so did i

[hidden sand]

Absolutely gonna try that now

[arctic grove]

game came out and bugs and crashes galore

im not enjoying 2042 rn cause it wont let me get out of the tutorial screen and i was s015 before i quit the game and it got too annoying to deal with back in jan
ive restarted my game 3 times and it wont let leave the tutorial screen i even played through it and verified the files

I tried playing the MP day 1 but my series x couldn't handle it

[tame cobalt]

On ps5 i had almost none of that 2 weeks after launch and now it's been pretty much completely fixed for a long time

[next onyx]

I got a hard crash on my series x.

[low timber]

Way, this whole round I’ve been lobbing grenades like a mortar, 22 frag kills.

+2

[arctic grove]

yea it was immersion breaking and I played the gane with my ea play trial until I bought it

[low timber]

Another +2 lol

[arctic grove]

well battlefield and most EA titles run on frostbite
A notoriously difficult engine to learn and program

[next onyx]

You monster!

[low timber]

+2 again

[arctic grove]

Ea is using frostbite to power madden 23 fifa 22 and mostly all bf titles

And battlefront 1 and 2

[low timber]

+1 now only lol

[mossy charm]

https://youtu.be/r626oROtgTM

[low timber]

So, what? I got 29 frag kills on that round by just mortaring enemies trying to spawn trap us.

[little epoch]

good morning goofy goobers!

how is everyone?

[next onyx]

My finger hurts.

How are you?

[low timber]

Not complaining, just that if they want to give me kill then go ahead lol

[arctic grove]

unreal engine is really really easy to learn and simple but idk why ea didn't make bioware do that with anthem and andromeda

[little epoch]

i’ll kiss the boo boo on your finger so it feels better 🙂

anyways

i’m doing good

[hidden sand]

Is there only 2 tank spawns on Narvik? It says 3 but I waited a good whole 3 minutes but no cigar

[little epoch]

unreal engine would make everything look different though

[arctic grove]

yeah totally

Anthem would've been much better with unreal tho

or whatever it's just a shitty destiny clone

[little epoch]

anything should be better than frostbyte

since some people experience lag from that

[hidden sand]

Why do people look at UE5 demos with Quixel assets and assume it's the best engine to ever be on this earth

[arctic grove]

It's based off your internet connection not performance

[hidden sand]

Yeah, it's fucking excellent

But it's not instantly great for everything because of that

[little epoch]

that’s why i said some people

[arctic grove]

DICE said that frostbite is meant for fps titles, and ea just started using it for need for speed and their annual sports games

I'm not pre ordering madden 23 holy shit

[hidden sand]

Therefore frostbite shit for everything, right? /s

It pains me when people don't read more into those articles lol

[little epoch]

they say a lot of things that are confusing to me

probably because i never passed kindergarten or something but EA/DICE is confusing when it comes to their games and stuff

[torn wigeon]

Guys how long is afk kick timer

[arctic grove]

yes and most of dices senior employees had just left DICE and are working for other studios
EA keeps limiting their creative freedom and that's why BFV and 2042 sucked

It feels like a 60$ barebones cod game

[little epoch]

i think like a minute or two

[arctic grove]

BF1, 4 and 3 were awesome cuz you were immersed into the game and were based off real world events

[little epoch]

was bf1 the one with like you could experience different perspectives in the game

of the enemy and stuff

[arctic grove]

yes

[little epoch]

then i liked that part about bf1

that part in the campaign was pretty cool imo

[arctic grove]

bf1 still has the best sound effects and animations of any bf game in general
It felt like you were in WW1

BFV has the best sound design and gunplay

Bf1s operations are always the best, every single operation is AWESOME

[little epoch]

words that can start an arguement

[arctic grove]

yeah that's my opinion

[next onyx]

I'm inclined to agree partially with gunplay.

Random recoil is a pain in the ass but I'd rather take it over spread.

[arctic grove]

agreed

[little epoch]

how many other mods are stalking man

[arctic grove]

But leveling up and unlocking guns on bfv was tedious for me

[hidden sand]

Am I just bad, because I barely notice random recoil lol

[low timber]

Hey, it’s not my fault that they were dumb enough to keep going back there, and not placing the APS

[next onyx]

@low timber "Oh Grenade belt kill?"

[next onyx]

You're not wrong but still!

[hidden sand]

I feel like aiming and hitting targets is pretty consistent in BFV, never really had an issue with it

[arctic grove]

man i really can't wait for the overhaul of 2042

[low timber]

No buts! The bully us, we bully them back.

[next onyx]

Yes!

I got a random quad earlier as a result.

[little epoch]

that’s the scar right?

[next onyx]

Yes.

[little epoch]

ok

[low timber]

Have you tried the triple smoke yet?

Sfar smoke, smoke nade and smoke launcher

[next onyx]

LOL.

Nah.

I've been using those smokes sometimes for pushing, Need to get into the habit of it.

[arctic grove]

is dice gonna remove hazard zone

[next onyx]

Don't think they will.

@low timber Look at them fly!

[low timber]

Lift off

[jovial jay]

anyone know if I can change my matchmaking region ? I'm in SEA and I keep getting obnoxious chinese who won't stop bad mouthing

[chilly jacinth]

turn off chat

[pale yoke]

This is probably a stupid question but im desperate and cant find a solution, so anyways, I have an RX 580 and Ryzen 5 2600 and while in Singleplayer I can run the game on high graphics and it runs smoothly. But the moment I go into multiplayer, even on the lowest settings possible, the game is basically unplayable. I get super low fps and get the low fps warning thing, and the frames are constantly stuttering which makes it impossible to play the game. Is this something to do with my internet or is there something I can do to fix this?

[tame cobalt]

At the end of round squad screen it said for me:

SHOTGUN KILLS
0

[native jacinth]

most prestigious battlefield 2042 award

[hidden sand]

The ragdolls are hilarious. SWBF2 had a similar ridiculousness.

[velvet spire]

hey so i have been going into menyyyyyy games and i end up getting games whare thares only 2 to 10 players at most is thare a fix for this or is the game dead

[sweet barn]

why is there always like 5 mins of stuttering the first match after launching the game, shouldnt the shader cache still be there

[amber kelp]

region?

[chilly jacinth]

did you turn off crossplay?

[sweet barn]

whats with that big crane falling sound effect on Discarded map on the ship while nothing actually happens?
some scrapped levolution thing that they forgot to remove sound effect from?

[little epoch]

they are exposing me too for having no kills

[chilly jacinth]

the sides of the ship can fall

[spark dawn]

That

[arctic grove]

Don't be sad

[placid echo]

I've seen funnier stats

[tame cobalt]

CQ64 exposure is pretty lit

Kind of like a better designed metro

Like you get the metro experience but there's the standard bf experience around it as well and u don't get stuck in endless chokepoints

[arctic grove]

WORST GAME EVER

[chilly jacinth]

2

[arctic grove]

how did you get mvp for that lmao

[placid echo]

That's just a squad highlight, not an MVP thing

[arctic grove]

oh 😑

[lilac dust]

You can play it on 64? Sure you not talking about breakthrough?

[sweet barn]

conquest needs more tickets

[mental cave]

just noticed that the new map doesnt have a tornado

[forest snow]

last thing battlefield needs are more maps like metro or locker

[copper fulcrum]

Nothing exciting happens in Canada

[mental cave]

whats wrong with the transports?

[mental cave]

y’all boring

idk if ur in canada

i’m just assuming

[buoyant coyote]

They need Florida map wit hurricane

[copper fulcrum]

If you checked the beginning video you'll know Florida has been taken by the sea

Finally.

[buoyant coyote]

What vid

[forest snow]

the intro vid

[copper fulcrum]

When you're connecting to Battlefield 2042 upon starting the game

[buoyant coyote]

O

I don't pay attention

[tame cobalt]

Luckily in my country AOW is dead so we just use Portal servers which provides us a better experience.

Only downside is breakthrough can't be played here

But ye we playin cq64 and cq128 and rush with a proper server browser

[lilac dust]

Oh I see. Well I think Exposure is a great example of 128 conquest working well

[tame cobalt]

It's pretty good, still has some of the usual cq128 issues though

I think it's not just map design that needs adjustment for 128 players, it's also mode design.

[little epoch]

i just realized how easy it is to rank up in 2042

how do i just realize that

[tame cobalt]

Like rush doesn't work with 64 players so they invented breakthrough. They similarly have to invent new modes for 128

[dawn cedar]

wym invented breakthrough

its just grand operations

[tame cobalt]

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. It's just called breakthrough now

[sweet barn]

is there no setting to reduce size/opacity of player names?

[tame cobalt]

They invented breakthrough/operations to have a linear mode that works with 64 players

[visual horizon]

Why is AOW dead in SA?

[arctic grove]

South America?

[visual horizon]

South Africa

[sweet barn]

you have computers there?

[arctic grove]

allow us to change vehicle count in portal lazy devs

[tight ibex]

Does anyone have a solution for this server kicks that keep happening? Load up and then kicked back to matchmaking screen

[tame cobalt]

I think because pre-season1 people couldn't get 128 filled consistently anymore so they just moved to portal and now we realized using portal is just straight up better so we're not going back

[visual horizon]

ohh, bet

[tame cobalt]

Server browser and persistent lobbies with an actual map rotation and all modes available (excluding breakthrough for now)

[tame cobalt]

Objectively wrong take

2042 very much needs those kinds of experiences

[arctic grove]

is this refund thing still live?

[tame cobalt]

It's about bringing some variety to the battlefield experience

[frozen peak]

I have not been able to play any game in conquest because it does not find players : (

[tame cobalt]

Region? Also make sure crossplay is on

[frozen peak]

south american

i have crossplay

[tame cobalt]

So u get breakthrough but not cq?

[frozen peak]

Yes

[tame cobalt]

Ah, my region is the opposite, everyone always plays cq instead of breakthrough

Throughout my time playing bf1, bfv, and 2042 I don't think i got even 1 full match of operations/breakthrough

[frozen peak]

How can I change region?

[hexed mango]

[hexed mango]

vpn

[frozen peak]

Ps5?

:' (

[hexed mango]

console lol L + bozo + console

nah jk idk

[tame cobalt]

[hexed mango]

i just woke up nate

mare

mate

[tame cobalt]

nate

[hexed mango]

my phone is stupid

[tame cobalt]

mare

[hexed mango]

anyways happy father’s day

[tame cobalt]

Sounds more like a

[hexed mango]

skill

issue

[tame cobalt]

[hexed mango]

i know, i agree

my phone is literally falling apart aswell so i guess it is

another skill issue, a stupid kid stole a baseball basically out of my glove at the game yesterday

[fringe quarry]

ok

[hexed mango]

ok

😏

[livid tapir]

Morbius

[ember mist]

what happened to 128 players

[fringe quarry]

breakthrough is 64

[livid tapir]

Same thing that happened with ur mum

[warped pulsar]

Removed for breakthrough, it's in conquest tho

[ember mist]

oh i see thx

[livid tapir]

Ahgshajakakgsghakajhsb-iamdrunk-kahhshjaja

I think it should be a marvel character

[jovial jay]

bruh, I'm on top scoreboard for all kills and capture, then the end screen says Sidearm kills 4

they haven't sorted that out huh

🤌

[fringe quarry]

they wont

[livid tapir]

That's the best thing you achieved in the match

[fringe quarry]

they don't want to praise people for getting a ton of kills

[livid tapir]

Winning was side mission

[jovial jay]

lol yea

sidearm kills are much more valuable than securing objective and blazing through them

[livid tapir]

oh now u wanna flex

[jovial jay]

oh no I just have only 4 sidearm kill

I suck

according to DICE

[livid tapir]

Jk

[jovial jay]

[hexed mango]

skill issue

[visual horizon]

we need Locker

[livid tapir]

Skills is legacy feature bruh

[hexed mango]

u right

[jovial jay]

yes

[livid tapir]

I want cross over maps in bf from marvel.

[jovial jay]

Lis' hair look like a cooked hotdog

[livid tapir]

Yummy

[jovial jay]

maybe just give her a bobcut if the braid look so... strange

[livid tapir]

Look that's the best cut possible in 7 months okay? Take it or leave it.

[low timber]

Lol, 21 vs 42 player round of Exposure breakthrough, did some more frag grenade mortaring 19 frag kills and got it to T3

[livid tapir]

Pain

&

Joy

.

[jovial jay]

the life of a transport pilot is already tough, then they introduced those stealth helis

[livid tapir]

[jovial jay]

those things are delete buttons for transports 💀

[hexed mango]

transport helis are already hard enough without a good crew

[livid tapir]

[low timber]

The funny thing is as well that I know a good place and angle to throw my frags but I still have no idea where they land, but I keep getting kills so

[hexed mango]

but i do agree maybe they're too strong in some cases

but tanks do need a buff

(the 4x4 needs a buff more than you think, and yes im talking about the 4X4 truck on CQ, not the LATV)

The 4x4 should be allowed the people in the passenger seats to be able to shoot out the windows

and/or should allow people to sit in the back of the truck

[jovial jay]

or just give them kamikaze nukes

or batteries made by samsung, which explode violently upon impact

[hexed mango]

precisely

[foggy halo]

the bf2042 release bf discord server outrage emote

[white geyser]

[hexed mango]

ima attempt to play 2042 again
just cause my internet has been sucking and my arm hurting recently
i havent played yet this week

[livid tapir]

[tame cobalt]

Dice just gotta keep fixing 2042, jackfrags will do their marketing for them for free

[hexed mango]

I thought jf hated it

[tame cobalt]

Nah as it improves he makes more positive videos

[hexed mango]

oh really

nice

[livid tapir]

Anything at least gets views

[tame cobalt]

New video is "Battlefield 2042 finally starting to feel like Battlefield" with 374k views

[lilac dust]

It's a good thing all vanilla maps are getting reworks cos the sundance nerf makes those maps feel like a chore to play on. You're basically stationery in the air if you jump from a low height. Goofy and pointless.

[tame cobalt]

don't think all will get reworks at all

[livid tapir]

Best marketing for 2042 was bf4/3. Period.

[tame cobalt]

maybe like 4 maps will get reworks if we're lucky

[little epoch]

hi morbius

[hexed mango]

hi fred

[little epoch]

did they approve your application

[hexed mango]

not yet

i applied for 2

[little epoch]

what

[livid tapir]

Yes one for me

[little epoch]

i don’t think you can work 2 roles

[hexed mango]

Bot developer
Community Developer

[little epoch]

oh ok

yes

[hexed mango]

ik but i can choose

plus i probably wont get accepted to either lmao

[little epoch]

name the bots “MorbBots”

if you get in

[hexed mango]

well i wouldnt be making bots, i would be making the tools used to make bots / api and sdk stuff

[livid tapir]

Name other one Agent of Anarchy

[little epoch]

yes, little easter eggs

[little epoch]

i mean, the bots are kinda brain dead enough

[tame cobalt]

If we could get a level editor I'd make maps from previous bfs in it

Since ripple effect doesn't want to

[livid tapir]

Ask anything that doesn't require work