battlefield-2042

[wide shore]

Overall. I can’t fathom what DICE was thinking with transports in this game

[opal mason]

I completely disagree with you that there are too many scout vehicles for the awkward situation Bolt is currently in. It is stronger than a scout vehicle and weaker than a tank, so DICE should add a column for light armored vehicles to satisfy the Bolt.

[fallen yarrow]

Bolte should be in it's own category along with the hovercraft.

[opal mason]

In fact, 2042 currently needs a specific classification of carriers. For example: reconnaissance vehicles, light armored carriers, tanks, helicopters, jets, and large transport carriers.

[fallen yarrow]

Also jets need to be separated from choppers

[hearty flame]

bf just needs to go back to preset vehicle availability. choices can be nice but their division is ass

[fallen yarrow]

Yeah, this system could have worked if we had many choices for vehicles (where some would fit a similar role/function) and/or if DICE knew how to categorize vehicles

[opal mason]

The current classification of carriers is really too unbalanced. Bolts are with tanks, jets are with helicopters. It's obviously not right. And the current map carrier count is doing pretty well in 64, 128 is surprisingly about the same as 64, apparently more like infantry BF for the big battlefield.

Among other things, I think the current specialist equipment needs to be categorized (into four types of equipment). The current game's equipment can be chosen at will, resulting in every player carrying an M5 or Stinger, which is not the "teamwork" 2042 wants, right?

[tranquil turtle]

not to mention the inclusion of the stim and armor plates... gadgets that do nothing for one's team

[arctic grove]

hovercraft i s trash my guy. only reason why its good its for the granade launcher

[opal mason]

Yes, I quite agree. Battlefield 2042 should be able to be renamed ...... Battlefield: The Experts? (A more individual heroic Battlefield game) Because everyone is using a version of a stronger character + stronger weapons + stronger equipment, no one would choose to play like the Battlefield of the past.

[arctic grove]

That is why this game should be called Apexfield2042

[tranquil turtle]

I just finished a rush match in bf4. got 6 medkit ribbons and 5 defibrillator ribbons. I'm here reviving people and getting nothing in return while the average 2042 player has probably never dropped ammo or a medical bag and instead opts for a grappling hook and armor plates that help only themselves

[arctic grove]

Ok

[opal mason]

Hahaha, nice name. Secondly, I'd love to know what clever person set the starting speed of tanks and troop carriers so slow that maneuverability is almost non-existent and turret speed is pathetically slow. (In the context of the great increase in mobility of specialists, tanks really look weak, except when shooting from the rear of the battlefield, although they may also be blown up by Sun dance+C5)

[copper fulcrum]

Sundance is just a movement based game character

It's almost like a Titanfall pilot levels of traversal speed if you can master it well

[opal mason]

Yes, because the current scoreboard also prefers that people not choose medkits or ammo boxes. You just have to choose Angel or Falke, don't you think? The scoreboard only shows how many people you have saved, not how many people you have contributed to. So I think the scoreboard should just go back to the old days where experience = points, instead of the current kills + assists + first aid + occupation = points.

[tranquil turtle]

yeah the current point system is stupid

[copper fulcrum]

I do say it's rather nice to know how my team is playing and the current scoreboard showcases it well.

[tranquil turtle]

you're saying that bringing a tank down to 1 hp and ending up with an assist is worth the same amount of points as doing 1 damage to a guy and also getting an assist? bruh

[copper fulcrum]

Assists are worth less than kills for points on the scoreboard

They give the same amount of XP though and imo they shouldn't especially given how many assists you can get with Casper on Breakthrough

[fallen yarrow]

Bring back assists-counts-as-kills

[opal mason]

So, isn't the best way to keep score, experience gained in this game = points?

[tranquil turtle]

spot assists being worth the same as kill assists is 💀

[copper fulcrum]

That is a great way, you can also show those numbers as a result, just don't have them actually add to the 'score'

[opal mason]

This is how it used to be in all the BF.

[copper fulcrum]

Technically yes

Remember, leveling up/progression wasn't always exactly a thing with Battlefield

[opal mason]

I just resent the current way of keeping score. For example, when I play helicopters, I do 99% damage to the opposing transport helicopter and my teammate kills it, but I don't get any assists. If you convert the damage into points, I don't know how much more I contributed than my teammate.

[opal mason]

Dedication should be matched by a sense of accomplishment, and points for ranking is what everyone cares about most.

[copper fulcrum]

Not my intention with that message but I agree

[midnight karma]

what is the best muzzle in general

[arctic grove]

i just run heavy barrel

[midnight karma]

ok

[arctic grove]

decreases your firerate so you might end up losing more gunfights at a close range, but its more stable

[wide shore]

Honestly, I just use the muzzle brake that lowers vertical recoil

On basically everything.

[midnight karma]

ok

[sour meadow]

so rumors say reveal on the 7th?

for season 1

[lapis oar]

Whoever said they use the grenade launcher/shotgun attachment on the sniper, thank you. It's hilarious 1 shotting someone that's trying to push you

[copper fulcrum]

You're welcome

[grizzled whale]

Morbius meme died

Jared leto tried to be funny and killed it

[hexed mango]

Morbin time

[sour meadow]

was never funny

[hexed mango]

my comedic mindset is just superior

[grizzled whale]

Nah

Jared leto killed the meme

[next onyx]

Bahhh I completely forgot about the existence of damage numbers.

Damage scoring numbers.

That genuinely made a difference in gun fights.

[dusky blade]

It’s morbing time

[topaz field]

lmaoooooooooo

nah it can be fixed i cant stand the jets. the bases need some sort of auto AI AA gun to kill the jets that like to hover behind base then once you spawn in heli they just fly down and kill you

super annoying

[topaz field]

im curious to what the gameplay will be like

[hexed mango]

[mossy badge]

gameplay will be like call of duty

[hexed mango]

so, bad?

[hexed mango]

or they just replace f-35 with another US 5th gen jet that doesn’t have vtol

like f22

if they want to be really classy they should think of adding warthog or b2

f22 is better than the f35 anyways so idk why they decided to give the us f35 instead

plus, the condor is already another bump above the hind, so idk

[arctic grove]

we need a b-2 bomber in the game

[tame cobalt]

Ngl, bf1 style operations would've been a good way to communicate a story to people who don't read lore posts n shit

Idk

[wintry sinew]

Based

[wintry sinew]

I am gonna be real, the first time I saw that it was funny because it took me a sec to realize it was actually Jared Leto and the bizarre acting of it made it funnier

[stone cradle]

This game could have really used operations in general

[topaz field]

lmaoo i guess so i played WZ for two weeks and quit couldnt stand the recoil

[mossy badge]

from a battlefield game i will expect battlefield type gameplay not mario kart gameplay

[topaz field]

interesting

[hidden sand]

I'm curious if they'll ever reimplement this or if it's too late for something like that

Even SWBF2 had a proper score system, which is super ironic now lol

[next onyx]

Considering the rushed state of this game I'd be surprised.

[sour meadow]

the lack of destruction in 2042 compared to bf3 is fucking depressing

[wet mortar]

I have bf4 + bf5 lined up to play on steam but I only have access to bf3 on ps. I’m craving playing on pc like nothing else.

[hidden sand]

I'd say BFV and BF1 are a better comparison, they have the best destruction in the series

[sour meadow]

the only destructible things are just set pieces that don't change the level in any way

[wet mortar]

All this news on discord only adds fuel to the fire.

[sour meadow]

i wanna blow up walls n shit when people camp behind them

[hidden sand]

BF4s destruction looked really bad in retrospect

BF1 seriously improved it

[sour meadow]

i don't get why they skimped on it so hard with 2042

[hidden sand]

Bad level design is the biggest culprit

[sour meadow]

who tf made the maps

like what is their background

[stone cradle]

They look like battle Royale maps due to how open they are

[sour meadow]

i haven't played many BR's lately but i swear BR maps have more cover than these ones

[stone cradle]

I won't be surprised if this game originally was going to be a battle Royale.

[sour meadow]

that's what tom said i believe

[stone cradle]

I take that guy with a grain of salt but honestly I believe that theory

[next onyx]

If it's true then it's true but there's no way to confirm it.

"Oh it's true cause it came from a verified leaker"

Yeah and they can talk out of their ass.

[sour meadow]

he said DICE was trying to copy warzone but then changed their minds halfway through development

[next onyx]

It's funny playing bf3 and bad co 2 maps and getting those cheeky shots off at people.

[sour meadow]

who else can we trust? EA?

[next onyx]

We can trust the actual developers if they come out and say it but it means they'd be breaching an Nda.

[sour meadow]

yea no one is gonna do that

[stone cradle]

I'd say that's near the truth. Due to how different this feels than previous battlefields. No advanced damage numbers and squad-supportive gameplay, yeah this sure was a lone shooter or battle Royale or something before

[sour meadow]

unless they get canned and just say fuck it

[stone cradle]

I don't understand why they want BF to be Apex, we don't need 2 Apexes 🤦‍♂️

[sour meadow]

because warzone

[next onyx]

I do love that you can slide down hills.

[hidden sand]

SWBF2 level designers worked on this so I'm not shocked they're so poorly designed

[next onyx]

Just wish the hills were steep enough so you can go on forever.

[stone cradle]

COD doesn't have 2 of them though

[sour meadow]

really? never played battlefront so i wouldn't know

[next onyx]

Wheeeeeeeeee!

[sour meadow]

they don't need 2. warzone has set them up for life

[hidden sand]

SWBF2 has some of the most poorly designed levels I've ever had the experience of playing on

[next onyx]

Treyarch experimented with their own but because of warzone it was canned.

They brought it out as an ltm.

[sour meadow]

i've seen some gameplay of battlefront 1 and 2 and from what i remember it seems pretty similar to 2042

[stone cradle]

I thought the BF2 maps were OK, then again, I liked them off the basis of them looking very much like the source material(as shown in SW shows and movies)

[next onyx]

If this game was given until march to release instead of the holidays with a second beta things would look less bleak.

But you need that Christmas money cause that's the market these days.

[stone cradle]

Blackout, right?

[sour meadow]

but how are EA execs gonna afford their 30th yacht without holiday sales?

[next onyx]

Nahhh not black out.

In cold war they had their own.

The maps from outbreak were battle royal maps.

That weird nuke mode.

[stone cradle]

Goddamn, they really need more after getting stupid amounts from FIFA, Madden and other sports games.

[sour meadow]

they don't want a lot of money, they want all the money

[stone cradle]

How did I miss this? that honestly sounds fun

[next onyx]

It was in the beta too i forgot what it was called. It was interesting actually.

Detonate these mini nukes that'd emit radiation and make parts unplayable.

That was official but not the other royale tho.

[hidden sand]

Yeah when you shut your brain off and just think "star wars" they become far more bearable in my experience lol

[sour meadow]

and for DICE to take this long to copy and paste basic cover just for one map

that's fucking sad

[hidden sand]

I almost wonder if they're doing it intentionally so they can delcare it as content in the seasons

[sour meadow]

i don't know anymore. it feels like a total nightmare

[hidden sand]

Level designing doesn't take this long, playtesting could, but at that point why not start a CTE?

[sour meadow]

i think because all the veteran dice devs who knew how to work with Frostbite left

[hidden sand]

Don't think that would be related, they have in-house documentation and learning an engine is not as time consuming as it's made out to be

[sour meadow]

i heard frostbite is a total bitch to work with regardless of experience

idk

[hidden sand]

Not true. Talk of that comes from developers who were making games it wasn't designed for (Such as Need for speed, fifa, anthem, Mass effect, etc). Those same developers even said how great it was, for Battlefield. Their difficulties stimmed from having to make everything they needed from scratch.

[sour meadow]

i see

i just want 2042 to be good. why are they doing so much wrong

[analog fractal]

If the leak is correct we'll have info tomorrow at least about what they're doing for season 1

Better be substantial at this point

7 months without any content for a "live service game"

I wonder how many maps BF4 got at this point....

[sour meadow]

i think i heard bf4 got 12

[analog fractal]

I just don't get it, if there's like 5 different studios supposedly working on this game (no fucking way tbf), how come we're only getting one map? The same people who improve the gameplay, the balance aren't the same people making maps and guns anyway.

[sour meadow]

it's a total mystery

[analog fractal]

It's just a skeleton crew working on this game at this point

No doubt. Which is why I sadly don't have much faith in this update

[sour meadow]

i mean they said they still have like almost everyone still working on it but you wouldn't notice

[analog fractal]

I don't want to be disappointed again

[analog fractal]

I'm sorry, but how tf is anyone supposed to believe that

All they've done so far is fixing bugs and removed features

That's not what all the people at DICE and the support studies does. And they've gone about it slow as heck too

[sour meadow]

how is dice so out of touch

what did we do wrong

[analog fractal]

I genuinely don't know. After BFV PR debacle (I personally never cared about that drama and thought it was overblown), they should've at least taken feedback about what they could do for a new "nextgen" modern-era BF gen that could be the new BF4 and bring the franchise back

But they apparently didn't for god knows what reason

[sour meadow]

it's so simple from a conceptual standpoint

like for bfv. just make Battlefield 1 but with a WW2 paintjob

it's that fuckin simple. you don't need to revolutionize anything

[analog fractal]

For better and worse, DICE seems to have the tendency to not rely on what they made the last time and just do shit from scratch?

Tbf, it's for the worse at this point

Instead of iterating and improving they go "let's do things differently, let's do this etc*

[sour meadow]

they have to be insane

[analog fractal]

At least it seems so, because BF4, 1, V and 2042 plays so differently and clearly had different design goals

I'm glad BF isn't CoD with everything being too overly familiar with every entry , but jfc, no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater

I guess it's them chasing trends with every game? Which to me is dumb, because they have a perfect formula that they should stick to and improve/iterate on without having to constantly check what the shooter industry is doing at large and second guess their own formula and instincts.

Sorry for the rant, but it's all so confusing why BF is in this spot atm

[mossy badge]

glad you said sorry

[foggy halo]

@sour meadowyou look very confused in the photo

[sour meadow]

huh?

[foggy halo]

huh? yes]

[sour meadow]

?

[upbeat sand]

the pfp

[foggy halo]

lol

[sour meadow]

Oh

[lucid goblet]

🤔

[ocean isle]

How do u use aps-36

I’m so confused

[lucid goblet]

press the gadget button twice to switch from shield to aps and place it on the ground.

[ocean isle]

I did

i placed on ground now what

Can it destroy vehicle

[lucid goblet]

nope, it's used to destroy projectiles, like grenades/rockets etc

[sudden nimbus]

any news on june update?

[low timber]

Expect is broken atm, died multiple times to Carl Gustav that the APS doesn’t destroy, once even got the xp for projectile destroyed and still died.

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/not-yet-no-nope-new-girl-head-shake-gif-4946000

[sudden nimbus]

ok see you in 2 weeks when its out

[shy latch]

what's your worry about the S1?

[analog fractal]

I'm not expecting much in the way of improvements when it comes to specialists and the like

I'm not expecting many guns being added (new or portal ones)

[sudden nimbus]

isnt the specialists visual update season 2 anyway?

yeah, it says vehicles and guns but probably just 2 each

[analog fractal]

They said they were gonna overhaul the specialist system somehow

[sudden nimbus]

i have seen leaks of a boat and helicopter for each side

[analog fractal]

In that dev video

Adding just two new guns would be a travesty

[sudden nimbus]

i dont know what to expect with a "overhaul" can be just ballance pass, can be giving each specialist a classic class

[analog fractal]

After 7 months of nothing

[sudden nimbus]

i do wonder if they will just slap 2042 attachments on bf 3 and bad company guns

[analog fractal]

I'd be okay with that

[slow kraken]

I doubt that. The new BF game will already be in development

[sudden nimbus]

what would be ideal is if they take the old model and give it a new 2042 design, same reload and fire rate ect

[analog fractal]

Like anything to improve the abyssmal weapon selection is welcomed imo

[sudden nimbus]

someone tried to tell me that next battlefield game will be in unreal engine

[slow kraken]

Highly doubt that

[sudden nimbus]

but i highly doubt they will not continue using frostbite

if anything they might be updating current frostbite to make it easier and faster for devs to use

[slow kraken]

They should

They should be taking at least 5 years before they release a new BF game but they wont

[sudden nimbus]

at this point i would not be suprised if there is a dedicated team at dice only working on engine updates

[slow kraken]

That would give them time to update it and get the new devs at DICE time to properly learn Frostbite but you know EA will want a game in 2 years

[sudden nimbus]

probably was a huge struggle trying to optimise engine ect in the first few months to not struggle in 128 player matches

[lucid goblet]

They're is a whole team/department who work on frostbite https://www.ea.com/frostbite/team

[slow kraken]

Yeah this game needed at least another year or two of development

[sudden nimbus]

track record is battlefield games have 4 years space appart

really hope ea stop forcing games to release before they are finished

[shy latch]

eeehhh........contracts

[slow kraken]

It's been 2-3 recently

[sudden nimbus]

battlefield 5 came out in 2018

[slow kraken]

BC2 - 2010
BF3 - 2011
BF4 - 2013
BF1 - 2016
BF5 - 2018
BF2042 - 2021

2-3 years apart from each release

[acoustic oar]

just dont get your hopes up for the new season I guess

[slow kraken]

I forgot Hardline also

[sudden nimbus]

i mean, bc2, bf3 and bf4 were very similar

[acoustic oar]

majority of dice is already working on the next bf

[sudden nimbus]

hardline is a good game, it just is not really a bf game

[slow kraken]

Yeah

[shy latch]

hardaline was a spin-off made by another dev house

[sudden nimbus]

would much rather them just add to 2042 and portal

[slow kraken]

Forgot it was another Dev

[sudden nimbus]

would be a shame to create this portal system to remake the old games in one big collection and forget about it

[slow kraken]

But looking at the recent releases. We can probably expect a new BF game in 2023 or 2024

[stone cradle]

EA Would rather murder the entirety of DICE than let them leave Frostbite lmao. The engine is not the problem at all, I mean if they succeeded in the past, they can do it again.

[sudden nimbus]

oh rumour says 64 player conquest will get portal maps thrown in

[lucid goblet]

already has, it's the "Exodus CQ playlist"

[sudden nimbus]

oh i have just been waiting for s1 to come out

[lucid goblet]

was only added last week 🙂

[shy latch]

one of the actual 2042 problem was (according to the rumors and assuming they are true) that they updated the engine during the game development

[sudden nimbus]

i already made jokes that season 1 will release at the end of the month

[stone cradle]

during development?

[silk surge]

The MW2 reveal is probably going to overshadow season 1... DICE picked the wrong week of the month.

[sudden nimbus]

mw2, dont you mean the 3rd reskin mw got?

[stone cradle]

They should have revealed it last week or after MW2 reveal

[silk surge]

It's like the Shazam movie struggling in box office because it premiered the same month as Avengers Endgame.

[slow kraken]

True

[stone cradle]

Well MW19 was quite a breath of fresh air for COD for almost a decade, so yeah, people are hyped for it's sequel.

[sudden nimbus]

yeah, i got mw2019 because they acutally updated the game, then saw cold war was just mw2019 reskinned with new wepaons and maps

[silk surge]

I'm indifferent to cod. The last cod I played was MW3 mostly because I got it alongside my PS3. But I hope the cod hype doesnt hurt 2042 even more.

[slow kraken]

Tbh CW plays nothing like MW19. Vangaurd on the the other hand

[sudden nimbus]

then vanguard was a mess of forcing ww2 era weapons to have mw level of customization when the most actual customization people had then was a bayonet or a fixed sniper scope

[shy latch]

yes, rumors said 18 months before the release, so during development status

[stone cradle]

Cold war wasn't a reskin, it was made on the old engine. Vanguard is what you are talking about lol.

[patent path]

Oh boy cold war was so bad. the customization was horrid, put tapes on a 30rd mag, gain extra 20 rounds

[sudden nimbus]

yeah but it still has the gun smith and class creator

[stone cradle]

It's impossible it won't have an affect on 2042, just look at how MW19 affected BFV, killed the game's hype until DICE gave us the revival in the form of the Pacific update.

[slow kraken]

That's like saying BF2042 is a reskin of BF5 because it has vehicles and destruction

Of course a COD game will have create a class

[sudden nimbus]

activision will not get through their thick skull that they can sell a dlc bundle or make cod a live service game and gain much more players

[stone cradle]

Game was rushed to hell, put together at the last minute because sledgehammer needed more time for vanguard.

And even after getting another year they did even worse lmao

[patent path]

I regretted buying cold war honestly, and I pre-ordered homefront revolution

[silk surge]

You also preordered 2042

[slow kraken]

I was looking forward to CW because I thought it was going to build upon what MW19 done but how wrong I was

[sudden nimbus]

no i mean there is nothing new in the core gameplay, its all the same class options but instead they slapped on a cold war era skin to the items

[patent path]

yeah I guess that's true

[stone cradle]

I knew it was going to be bad the second I saw it wasn't going to be built on the new engine

[sudden nimbus]

i ended up getting cold war because someone talked me into buying it for zombies and boy is the multiplayer just the same

[slow kraken]

Yeah when I seen it was on the older engine I was very disappointed

[arctic grove]

My man i been askin since 2020 why no memes channel

[sudden nimbus]

an obvious way to tell cold war and vanguard were reskins is the fact they were just added to warzone without issue

[patent path]

cold war mp is soooo bad, they went for semi realistic mw to looney toon anti-aircraft desert eagle skillstreak

[silk surge]

They should release Ghost 2. The campaign ended in a cliffhanger.

[slow kraken]

Yeah the CW MP is trash compared to MW19

[sudden nimbus]

i really think cold war should have been dlc for mw2019

[slow kraken]

Ghost was so hated though. I can't see them doing that

[sudden nimbus]

make you able to buy cw and get all the cw weapons and characters and they are just added to mw19 mp

[slow kraken]

It would of been better if they did since it would of been on the same engine and had actual good gameplay

[stone cradle]

I'm pretty sure IW was going to do ghosts 2 before they decided on doing something completely new with Infinite Warfare

[silk surge]

Most of the hate came from the fact that the game wasn't about Albert Ghost or whatever the Modern Warfare guy is called.

[stone cradle]

Which it's campaign was very good, multiplayer, awful

[patent path]

Advanced warfare was based

[slow kraken]

I mean Ghost MP was pretty bad

[lucid goblet]

👀 #other-games 👀

[sudden nimbus]

i find it hillarious because mw had the issue of people not able to use blueprint attachment skins and added it 6 months later... then cw had the exact same issue and added blueprnt attachments 6 months later just like mw19

i thought advanced warfare was hated on because people died in 2 shots from any smg

[silk surge]

Never played Ghost MP. I bought it because the story trailer looked interesting. The main selling point was that it was written by an Oscar-winning writer.

[patent path]

guys so uh bf2042 is pretty cool, right?

[sudden nimbus]

ttk was so fast you had to do a line of coke to be able to react

[slow kraken]

Not really lol

[silk surge]

No, this is a call of duty nostalgia channel now.

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/death-stare-black-snake-moan-samuel-l-jackson-shocked-wide-eye-gif-14648637

[sudden nimbus]

yeah back to bf 2042, im trying to keap expectations low for season1 so anything extra is gonna make me happy

[silk surge]

Ok I was kidding 🥺

[patent path]

what is season 1

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-deniro-meet-the-fockers-point-looking-at-you-im-watching-you-gif-5145428

[patent path]

I hope they add Morbius as a specialist

[lucid goblet]

frl though, if you wish to discuss COD or w/e please use #other-games 🙂

[sudden nimbus]

so wait, was the new specialist leaked?

[patent path]

yeah it's Morbius

[silk surge]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-worried-scared-look-gif-23041456

[upbeat sand]

[silk surge]

I saw a leak of Sundance being morbed mid-air.

[patent path]

https://tenor.com/view/morbius-gif-25461795

Sundance, probably

[sudden nimbus]

i wonder if we will see existing specialists get a complete different gadget

[patent path]

if the game lives long enough

remember when they trashed the specialist feature from bf5?

[silk surge]

Would be hilarious if they brought back Falck syrette pistol long range revive from the alpha.

[sudden nimbus]

what was bf5 specialists feature?

[silk surge]

Combat roles.

[sudden nimbus]

do you mean the classes?

[silk surge]

Specialists in 2042 is basically combat roles from BFV expanded further.

[patent path]

basically the same thing

[silk surge]

Nah, combat roles were basically passive abilities for each classes. Like recon snipers were able to spot people by supressing or hitting them, field medics ran faster if they tagged a downed teammate, combat medics ran faster if they were at critical health.

Then there were assault vehicle busters that got extra squad points from destroying vehicles etc.

[sudden nimbus]

i still think the most we will get from a specialist rework is them adding class restrictions to specialists

[silk surge]

I hope not. Unrestricted loadout is the silver lining with specialists. I no longer have to pick a specific class just for the weapons.

Besides, there are only 23 weapons in AOW, not enough to restrict behind classes.

[sudden nimbus]

you say that but 90% of the 2042 cry babies complain about the fact its specialists instead of classes

well assuming they end up porting over most of the weapons from portal that number is a lot bigger

[silk surge]

I swear, people don't even know why they dislike specialists. They just decided its a dealbreaker.

I can never get a consice argument against specialists. It's always some bad take like 'muh teamplay' or 'hero shooter bad'.

Like, you will never convince me that 2042 has a teamplay problem that didn't exist in previous games.

[sudden nimbus]

i can see them adding a vast majority of the bf3 weapons into 2042

as in the portal bf3

[silk surge]

I hope they rework the weapons first. It's a vastly different gunplay.

[sudden nimbus]

you say that but the scar is already in 2042 but has fixed gl always

[upbeat sand]

specialists should of been like the elites in bfv, just cosmetic

[silk surge]

Like, BC2 and BF3 gunplay heavily relies on understanding how your gun and movements affects your spread, whilst 2042 has a more simplified and modern-esque gunplay that relies on understanding the guns recoil pattern.

[sudden nimbus]

i can see them doing a balance pass to fit attachments tho

[tacit sphinx]

they’ve already said the portal guns will have updated stats/handling to be in line with 2042 gunplay

[sudden nimbus]

i do think would have been nicer if the specialists were not named characters, instead its the casper class ect

[tacit sphinx]

as well as attachments

[sudden nimbus]

part of the reason i live dozer is he fits the masked soldier athetic

plus adding masks ect helps remove the feeling of clone army

[silk surge]

Yeah, like Sundance being 'Wingsuit Assault' etc

[sudden nimbus]

you get me

[silk surge]

And Boris being 'Insufferable Camper'

[slow kraken]

don't be sad this is just how it works out sometimes

[sudden nimbus]

winged assault, shield barer, grappler, wall builder, turret opperator, recon droner, distance hacker, motion tracker, stim healer, ammo support

or even use the existing code names as a class name and remove named things like irish

[silk surge]

Problem is that wallbuilder is a guy that everyone recognizes from BF4's campaign.

[sudden nimbus]

so they can have irish be a legendary skin and replace the standard models to just have a face cover

btw, wonder if they would make cannon ending to bf4 be player was the one that went down

[fair pilot]

What do I do when it doesn't say "connecting to online servers" when I'm trying to launch the game? It only shows the ship sailing but not the connecting to online servers

[silk surge]

What's funny is that there is a bug that briefly changes Angel's name in the hud to 'Trauma Specialist' after he revives someone. This was obviously his placeholder name before they went with Angel.

[slow kraken]

The issue with calling them all that is it doesn't really roll of the tongue easily

[slow kraken]

Restart?

[fair pilot]

tried many times

[silk surge]

Nah, Recker survives all 3 endings.

[sudden nimbus]

oh i thought there was 3 options, and the 4th being waiting too long

[tacit sphinx]

in the bottom right? that’s just something that happens for all specialists when their trait is active

[fair pilot]

What about when the game keeps saying "searching for people"?

[silk surge]

It's either Irish, Pac, or Hanna that dies. And given that Pac and Irish are alive in the cinematic, Hanna dying was the cannon ending.

[slow kraken]

Then the game is probably struggling to find players

[fair pilot]

It literally says it needs 31 more people and I don't know what to even do

[fair pilot]

Bruh it's been like this since yesterday. Every single time I try to find a round.

[sudden nimbus]

wait who is pac?

[silk surge]

The guy with the Beanie.

[slow kraken]

A lot of people have given up on the game so it will be harder to find full matches now and again

[fair pilot]

It randomly started doing this and it's always 31. If it's always exactly 31 then that probably means that I'm literally the only one in a server.

[sudden nimbus]

tbh all i remember was irish and hanna

[slow kraken]

Probably. A lot of the servers are dead

[silk surge]

Pac was the guy who died saving Irish's kid in the 2042 short movie.

[mental delta]

Every single day I am waiting for the announcement

[sudden nimbus]

so checking the leaked stuff and it says lis's gadget is a guided rocket launcher

[hidden sand]

Medics can be anti-tank and give out ammo. I don't think I even need to elaborate on that.
There are no sacrifices with specialist, and this has lead the majority of players (in my experience) to focus on solo play rather than support roles. Sacrifices are needed in a game like BF, to help teamplay flow. When that is gone, it becomes very self focused.

Lots of the specialist gadgets are very selfish too, or promote bad habits (camping), teamplay wasn't in the design tables.

Classes do a far better job at giving people roles and promoting teamplay, without them, we get what we have now. You may prefer a loadout system, but classes are needed for BF imo.

[sudden nimbus]

and just... that would be so broken if its true

[silk surge]

We're getting SRAW back 😎

[sudden nimbus]

i would much rather them just add laser guided rocket as regular gadget

so far people already can just run full sundance squad and all throw tracking nades at a tank

[silk surge]

I agree to some extent, but you generally don't get these well thought out clarifications from the 'no teamplay' crowd.

[next onyx]

Honestly the fact that specialists can use any gadget doesn't irk me as much.

But I prefer a game that's balanced from the ground up with good gadgets and weapons per side.

Bf5 did that right.

[sudden nimbus]

i do remember when things were specialist locked, everyone got 2 gadgets

[silk surge]

Will be fun to carry SRAW and Carl Gustav at the same time. Gonna be hell for ground vehicles.

[next onyx]

Eh reload is gonna be a pain.

Just run the SRAW with C5 and you have a bf5 assault.

Or SRAW with a repair tool and you'll be a bf4 engineer.

That is cool.

If they have classes dedicated to original classes so people can use what they know.

[sudden nimbus]

so a medic can run first aid kit and defib

[silk surge]

I don't like the repair tool in 2042 tbh. Why did they make it so that it can overheat??

[next onyx]

They've always overheated.

Well, Mostly.

Bf1 and 5 is where they don't overheat.

It's a balance decision.

[hidden sand]

Overheating happens way too quickly imo

[next onyx]

Yeah it'd be nice if took a bit longer to but eh.

[silk surge]

I know for a fact that it didn't in BF1 or BFV, but I don't remember if that was the case in BF3 and BF4.

[hidden sand]

It would, it took a long time for it to though

BF3s overheated quicker though iirc

[hollow rose]

hi

can yall help me please

[silk surge]

If you run SRAW and medkit, you'll have a bizarre mix of BF3/4 assault and BF1/V assault.

[silk surge]

What's up?

[hidden sand]

I wish we had anti tank bundles like BF1 and V

[silk surge]

Those were fun finishers.

[hidden sand]

One of the most satisfying anti vehicle gadgets to use

[sudden nimbus]

imagine they added BF1 elite classes into portal

[hollow rose]

i want the files to battlefield 1942 but all the websites doesnt give me the right files

so i was wondering if one of yall had it

[silk surge]

They hit 20 against tanks on direct hit in BFV, and they detonated dynamite on impact. Was a fun way to assassinate tanks without 3 dynamites.

[silk surge]

The game files?

[sudden nimbus]

they can copy paste the stats but reskin them for each era

[hollow rose]

yes

[hidden sand]

Vehicle hit response in BFV was done near perfectly imo

You could even tell how much damage you've done based on the sound

Nearly everything about vehicles in BFV was done so well

[silk surge]

I guess you'd have to install the game and look through the folder. I don't have any experience when it comes to game files tbh.

[hollow rose]

ok thanks

[slow kraken]

Yeah and typical DICE going backwards trying to reinvent the wheel with 2042

[silk surge]

I agree. Although the general consensus in the community was that vehicle softspots were bad and they hated things like glancing blow.

[hidden sand]

Not really? Dmg models on the tanks were never majorly criticized afaik

They improved tank combat significantly

[silk surge]

I guess it's purely anecdotal on my part, but all I saw were complaints.

But then again, people (at least on Reddit) really enjoyed whining about every aspect of BFV, even the good ones.

[hidden sand]

Tanks are so damn easy to take out in BFV, but people die once to them in a 25 minute round and scream "dice nerf the broken tanks"

[pine roost]

having some kind of angular damagge bonus / penalty was a good thing, but I felt like there should be a set minmum you could do. To my knowledge and through watching people test, 2042 has no damage multiplier based on the angle, it's entirely dependant on what side of the tank you hit. While I do find glancing blows to be annoying, having like a minimum damage value of say, 17 and a maximum that is achieved by a 90 degree shot could be good

[silk surge]

Tanks that knew what they were doing were really hard to get rid of. Tanks that rolled around 1000m away from their team were easy to combo out.

Then there were these weird map designs that allowed tanks to camp from their base (AKA out of bounds area for you), like Mercury, Twisted Steel and Aerodrome.

[hidden sand]

One common misconception I saw in the community though is that they thought glancing blows were randomized

DICE could have done a far better job at explaining the dmg models in-game

[silk surge]

Like, why did they add highground positions inside bases in some maps? That was such a weird design decision.

[hidden sand]

People will blame the tanks though lol

[silk surge]

True

[hidden sand]

And then vehicles get nerfed into the ground, like 2042

It's so weird at how little players can differentiate bad level design and genuinely op vehicles

[silk surge]

Ground vehicles feel really weak in 2042 compared to its predecessors. The only exception would be Bolte, but only because you were able to spawn a ton of them due to their transport category.

Like, now that Bolte is in heavy armor category, its detrimental to your team to spawn them. It was the amount of boltes ingame that was the problem, not that boltes were exceptionally good.

[hidden sand]

DICE can't realize that which is the problem

[silk surge]

Unfortunately yeah

[hidden sand]

They have been horrible at self reflection for a long, long time now, even with their good games

[silk surge]

I think it boils down to their inability to take in proper feedback. They have a tendency to listen to the loud minority of people with bad gamesense.

[soft swallow]

Mmmh... which is the problem to you?

This can actually be a good question, Battlefield 2042 has a lot of problem but which is the most problematic problem for the game?

[silk surge]

That's kind of a broad question don't you think?

[slow kraken]

So many core parts in 2042 are issues so that's a hard one to say which one is the biggest

[grizzled whale]

Confused Tank destroyer Wildcat noises

[woeful remnant]

i really hope they add sometime in the future the below radar feature to air vehicles

i'm tired of getting killed across the map by AA missiles

[soft swallow]

Someone can say the new classes system, someone can say the Specialists, someone can say the maps, someone can say the new gameplay, someone can say the shitty gunplay, someone can say everything about that game

[pine roost]

There are so many different perspectives regarding the state of this game's balance it's crazy

on one hand you've got people who feel like jets are underpowered, others who think they shouldn't exist and are too strong. Some people think AA is strong, others think weak

[chilly jacinth]

i have yet to see a jet player do well

so cant really say if theyre just bad players or jets are bad

[tepid briar]

Jets are bad

[woeful remnant]

both tbh

i only see jet players using AA missiles. cannon doesn't exist for them

• jet are clunky asf

[chilly jacinth]

ive seen some try hovering and dying instantly

[pine roost]

cannon is beyond pointless, the only power they have come from agms that are just noob tubes

[tepid briar]

Nah lots of players in 2042 are bad and won't hit anything in the air without guided missiles.

[pine roost]

sure, the aa missiles should serve a purpose but they shouldn't kill faster than the skill driven weapon

[woeful remnant]

exactly

[mental delta]

Where season 1 ?

[chilly jacinth]

this month

[pine roost]

there's so much drag and drift in jets too, kills all your speed when turning

and there's also no direction indicator like in 4. In 4 id didn;t matter much because the physics ensured your jet almost always moved in the direction it was pointing

but now it simply glides away and pulls your crosshair and bullets away from where you are facing, which makes aiming inconsistent and unresponsive

[bleak tide]

Ikr it’s such a fucking pain

I spend more time turning around then I do actually firing at the enemy

[pine roost]

even bf1 and v had better handling

and in 1 they are basically just paper planes

[tepid briar]

Well I still prefer 2042 Jet Gameplay over 5 Planes at the moment just for the one reason that there are no AA Gun campers that will make your plane completely useless as they will kill you the moment you leave spawn.

[pine roost]

that I can side with

wildcat actually requires some aim to use

[tepid briar]

And Wildcats don't focus you for the entire round after you kill one person a single time

Also the Map Design even though it's not that good at least made it easier to attack one without having to fight in the enemy spawn

[arctic grove]

that was something right ?

[next onyx]

Angel does it again!

[desert rivet]

this game is dead RIP

there are SO LOW PLAYERS i can't get a single game today!!

"waiting for 31 players to join"

[chilly jacinth]

most likely a bug

[desert rivet]

lol i don't think so

[chilly jacinth]

ive had no problems all day and all night yesterday

[desert rivet]

if the there is only a few thousand players globally, there wouldn't be more than a few dozen in my region

according to steam stats rn

[next onyx]

Not dead in OCE or the US.

[chilly jacinth]

steam isnt accurate

[dapper berry]

Not dead in EU

[desert rivet]

i'm in OCE, me and my friends can't get a game

[wanton magnet]

It probably has to do with the dumb decision of making exodus conquest the default

[next onyx]

What are you searching for Ryan cause literally just had a match of Exodus conquest.

What are you trying to play too.

Cause breakthrough has less of a population.

[desert rivet]

Conquest, multiplayer, 128 players

[next onyx]

Oh.

Yeah I haven't played that at all everyone's playing Exodus LMAO.

[shy bronze]

🛌

[next onyx]

It's literally the primary game mode everyone's playing.

[desert rivet]

rip game, epic fail

[soft swallow]

It seems that people prefer 64 players and Battlefield V scale maps

Big but not too much

[chilly jacinth]

i think most people click the first mode they see

which is exodus

[soft swallow]

I don't think so

[chilly jacinth]

it makes sense to me since other modes kinda dead

[soft swallow]

I mean, yes 128p conquest is cool. But it should be managed better, in fact Dice is changing the position of the objectives because the maps are too big even for 128 players

While the management of the maps for 64 players is much better managed and much more performing

This is why people plays Exodus and not Conquest

[safe veldt]

oh my gosh why is it so empty here

[desert rivet]

game is so dead i can't get a game

like literally dead

tried all night, time to uninstall

[hearty flame]

deadish game deadish discord. plus its early NA time

[soft swallow]

This doesn't makes sense... or maybe yes

[next onyx]

Is cross play on or off?

@desert rivet I just got into a valparaiso game.

[desert rivet]

on, i see playstation user in my squad

waiting for 30 players to join

[soft swallow]

Good luck

[desert rivet]

and then it times out and goes back to main menu, and just loops

[next onyx]

Weird.

[desert rivet]

1 hour now

[soft swallow]

Play solos, is the only way

[desert rivet]

all my friends have same thing, so it's not just me

[soft swallow]

EU?

[desert rivet]

AU

[soft swallow]

Mmh yeah AU servers are pretty ded

[next onyx]

I'm literally in a game right now and we're in the same region. What is wrong with your own game.

Conquest 128 is most likely dead.

[soft swallow]

I mean in EU I can still play it whit 64 vs 64

EU I think is the most popolated in Battlefield 2042

[tall frigate]

Do yall think this game is going to get better ?

[soft swallow]

Yes and no

[dapper berry]

Yes

[soft swallow]

For many, the problem of the game is the foundations of the gameplay that will never be changed, so I say no. But I say yes because there will be many improvements that will make the game much more playable and also much more complete and balanced for the players, plus there will be new content that could certainly interest people.

[sharp marten]

Anyone know when they’re going to drop the trailer for season 1?

[chilly jacinth]

this month

[slow kraken]

Yeah Oceanic servers are dead

EU and NA are really the only regions with active servers

[sharp marten]

I’ve seen something that they we’re supposed to drop one today

[foggy halo]

the ultimate noobs farm mode

@slow krakenYou need to get the ||drugs||out of your body

[slow kraken]

What

[foggy halo]

You need to get the ||drug ||sout of your body

@slow krakenyou are ultimately cursed

[soft swallow]

Vpn goes brr

[slow kraken]

I'm juiced up baby

[patent path]

connecting from OCE to EU without a vpn would get you about 300 ping, with a vpn it's even worse

I know the pain, I moved from NZ to Italy, playing games with my NZ friends is a struggle

Remember when Valve invented some insane method to reduce latency to the minimum for gaming across the world and internet service providers ganged up and prevented them from releasing it?

PowerPlay it was called.

[slow kraken]

@foggy halo

[foggy halo]

@slow kraken

@slow krakenyour brain started to rot and I feel sorry for you

slow painful death

no respect, no honor, just ||drugs||

[slow kraken]

I'm juiced though baby

Get on my level

[still vault]

No drug references plz

Deploying distraction gif

[dapper berry]

gib patchie

[paper notch]

Poopoo 😩

[next onyx]

Finally, 7000 kills with the SCAR.

No longer an ultra niche gun, A genuinely good assault rifle.

[still vault]

SFAR for life

[next onyx]

They fix the shit maps, Give us persistent lobbies with a proper server browser alongside squad management this game will be in a much better state.

[still vault]

worse name, better gun

[next onyx]

Well not just in a much better state, Actually playable.

[soft swallow]

New ambient is so cool and immersive

[warped pulsar]

Would have been nice if they added metro for S1

[soft swallow]

Making a metro is impossible as Battlefield 2042 is based on large scale maps, it would be nice to make a map with a metro.

[warped pulsar]

If the rumors are true, we may see the trailers tomorrow

[bleak nebula]

would love to see persistent servers with server browser returning

[next onyx]

Got a cool little glitch.

During Exodus conquest.

[soft swallow]

Just... how?

[next onyx]

Glitch.

And it gave me a really good idea.

[shell ermine]

I've barely gotten to play it since the "rotation" is trash, but does Arica Harbor in Exodus have attack aircraft?

[next onyx]

It's the best rotation in the game, They remove hour glass and it's even better lol.

Since it's 2042, All sides have air vehicles which shouldn't be a thing.

[honest comet]

wonder when will s1 drop this month

[next onyx]

Disable hinds, condors, AT helis and scout helis, Give both sides an in world spawn with a Black hawk.

Much better balanced.

[shell ermine]

I ask because I downloaded the last gen version and played a bit yesterday, and besides the actual gameplay feeling even worse than the current gen version (it was like I was on ice skates idk what the fuck was going on) I got a game on Arica and it didn't have attack aircraft

[honest comet]

tbh they just need to make helis 2 shot with rockets

[next onyx]

Transports? Sorta yeah.

[honest comet]

not 4 lol

[next onyx]

It should take 3 to take them down.

[honest comet]

or that, but 4 is like a frikkin tank lol

[next onyx]

It pretty much may as well be.

[honest comet]

they legit flyin tanks with more firepower

[next onyx]

The closest thing that should be a tank is the AC 130.

...To a degree.

But yeah.

They're much better than actual attack craft at the moment.

They need to nerf that 50MM cannon the same way they nerfed the 57MM, Make it best at anti armour but suck at killing infantry.

[honest comet]

that 50 mm is just insane

[shell ermine]

Even the most "armored" aircraft barely qualifies to use the word armored

[next onyx]

It's anti everything really. That's the problem.

[shell ermine]

And the 50mm needs to do less damage to vehicles than the 57mm. Right now it does more, much more

[next onyx]

The grenade launcher could use a tweak on the transports.

More accuracy, etc.

But actually have it work closer up.

Risk vs reward.

[honest comet]

also planes are bein ez shot down by helis

[next onyx]

There's nothing more pathetic than seeing an Orbit bombing attack helicopter/transport.

[honest comet]

like helis have same height ceiling like planes which is funny

[shell ermine]

AA and AT missile lock on range for helos needs decreased and AA missile lock on range for Wildcats needs increased

[next onyx]

Jets should easily have 200M more airspace than hellis and that.

You mean the AGMs? They're pretty close range as is.

Stinger ignoring height would be a massive boon.

[shell ermine]

Imo we need an AA infantry weapon like the fliegerfaust

[honest comet]

also flares should take longer to reset

[next onyx]

Talking about TR helis.

A close range popper for air vehicles to keep them away would be fine.

[honest comet]

tbh he said fair point lol

[chilly oak]

https://youtu.be/2Hfeb7eIzbo

premier is out

[honest comet]

ooo so tomorrow

[next onyx]

YO.

[honest comet]

they gonna say all about s1 ?

[dapper berry]

guys game is fixed, they changed color

[silk surge]

I just witnessed a really bizarre bug where the entire enemy team suddenly got 3d-spotted out of nowhere. Has anyone seen this before?

[honest comet]

myb someone with drone?

[silk surge]

Drones dont 3d spot

[solid imp]

paik?

[olive lake]

Season trailer tomorrow.

[silk surge]

Mackay.

[next onyx]

Could be a bug relating to paik.

[solid imp]

no no meant teammate as paik

[next onyx]

By the way.

[olive lake]

And I still don't have much confidence in the game. I want that to change honestly.

[next onyx]

Have you decreased deadzones at all Henry?

[silk surge]

Not sure. But Paik's 3d spot only shows for her, and it isn't constant like it was here.

[tacit sphinx]

it's not a glitch, the metal detectors 3d spot enemies if your team controls them

[next onyx]

OH WHAT.

Holy.

[solid imp]

wuuuut...

[next onyx]

THAT'S BUSTED.

[silk surge]

Wait really? That's a really cool detail.

[sacred depot]

https://twitter.com/Battlefield/status/1533826409382170626?t=2GaT2Q5dbL4gRSg3omTbuw&s=19

this shit is gonna get overshadowed to oblivion by the mw22 reveal loool

Battlefield (@Battlefield)

Season 1: Zero Hour
Gameplay trailer on June 7

👉 https://t.co/IdcL1fAqKc

#battlefield

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[tacit sphinx]

they're all along those doorways so if people are coming out like in that situation then they'll get spotted

[solid imp]

That's awesome wdym that's a great incentive to take literally 1 second to hold E on a button

[silk surge]

Unfortunately yeah.

[next onyx]

Let the people who bought the game enjoy it.

[sacred depot]

they should've timed it better

[next onyx]

Well I didn't mean busted busted but fucking hell Kaos.

that's incredible.

[solid imp]

😂 agree

[sacred depot]

the remaining 10 loyal bf2042 players will probably be watching the mw22 reveal instead

[median path]

niice

[solid imp]

way too few people take just a couple seconds to go control doorways, had no clue at all about those detectors

[pine roost]

That’s definetely an attack heli in that clip

[next onyx]

I knew you could take control of them but I thought they'd just go off when the enemy team went through them.

[steady pewter]

looks like Temporyal was right for his season leaks

[next onyx]

No it's more than just that instead with the detectors.

Ye he's a bit right here and there.

[uncut bay]

oh bruh june 7th? This game is getting utterly mauled by MW22. Couldn't have picked a worse time

[olive lake]

Still not with the season unless they fix a elephant in the room for me.

[solid imp]

Nooo I'm legit hyped for S1, I'm honestly having loads of fun in the game and have most of the time so far.. just need the content to drop. Moving portal maps into AOW was clutch to freshen things up. Totally serious with this comment as well.. I've been playing 2042 this whole time pretty contentedly.

[shell ermine]

Imo if MWII has Ground War again (64p+ Conquest-lite) 2042 gets deleted from my SSD.

[steady pewter]

im ngl i dont see an inkling of hype around mw22

[solid imp]

I wouldn't spend ~500 hours in a game I hate lol

[olive lake]

I just hope temporal's leaks about AI being squadmates is true. That's the only slight hope I have left at seeing progression being fixed.

[pine roost]

Tbf though, the only people who would be interested in the trailer are the bf fans who stuck around. Realistically I doubt it would have mattered if the date was different

[next onyx]

Cod will be cod. It's not like you're missing out from the yearly release, This will be different I know but still.

[soft swallow]

I bet MW2 will go the way of Vanguard, meaning a lot of hype for a bad game.

[median path]

condor best vehicle

[sacred depot]

my condolences

[uncut bay]

haven't been looking around the right places then, it's the most hype we've had since MW19

[next onyx]

2042 is actual fun now.

To a degree.

It can still be shit but Exodus has increased my enjoyment immensely.

[solid imp]

But why that reply though? I'm having fun in a game, you don't, which is also fine.

[rocky ether]

it is but you gotta say that 😉 saying otherwise would get ya role removed lol

[scarlet hornet]

Same here!

[median path]

hmm

[sacred depot]

anything is fun really, but theres a fine line between fun and good

[shell ermine]

Even though Exodus is better it still has so many fucking issues

[olive lake]

Unless AOW is fixed and Solo/Co-op is uncapped I'm still not very interested in the game

[jolly gulch]

😬

[median path]

should i reinstall game now or wait for s1

[olive lake]

If its still capped when the season starts then I've got no hope left.

[jolly gulch]

wait

[shell ermine]

Like every map except Caspian and Noshahr just having 3 "sectors". I absolutely hate that

[crimson wasp]

https://youtu.be/2Hfeb7eIzbo :)

[sacred depot]

10th of june would've been a better day for reveal

[steady pewter]

havent played since launch - what the hell is exodus, isnt that the short film name?

[sacred depot]

After mw22 does its thing

[torpid adder]

cool so theyre going to be doing seasons now instead of bringing back original content?

[warped pulsar]

Mw2 isn't that game breaking, no need to exaggerate. GTA 6 reveal is much bigger

[uncut bay]

it's essentially the game's second release, it has to get new players' attention otherwise the playerbase will never get large again. Putting out a trailer the day before a competitor in a much better position than you isn't smart

[steady pewter]

they were from the start lmao

[olive lake]

Its funny. 7th of June, Population One is finally addressing bot mode progression for their game. Will 2042 do the same remotely?

[next onyx]

Imagine conquest 64 but with four of the portal maps.

[sacred depot]

you cant compare those lmao

[torpid adder]

my point exactly

[warped pulsar]

I did

[steady pewter]

oh so thats what they called it, ok cool thanks

[sacred depot]

mw22 is MUCH more hyped than 2042 season 1

[next onyx]

Noshahr Canals, Caspian border, Arica harbour and Valparaiso.

[steady pewter]

i knew about that and i read each announcement just missed the name

[shell ermine]

Its not even a fair comparison really

[waxen turret]

Trailer confirmed set for tomorrow

[soft swallow]

Battlefield 2042 is chock full of things that need to be tweaked because they are not only badly done but also make the game unbalanced

[sacred depot]

gta 6 hype has been brewing for nearly 10 years now lol

[tacit sphinx]

i mean no shit, it's a game release vs a content drop

[scarlet hornet]

It shouldn't be time limited

[shell ermine]

Arica's new Conquest setup is trash

[next onyx]

It's fine. :)

[next onyx]

It's not.

This is permanent.

[honest comet]

cod is just average game dude lol even rainbow six is better fps

[next onyx]

Well it should be permanent.

[shell ermine]

They expanded Valparaiso a ton, why couldn't they do the same for Arica? The entire highway is unused in Conquest

[solid imp]

cod is like the mcdonalds of fps

[craggy forum]

cod is so boring imo i stopped playing after bo3

[soft swallow]

No in the description of the mode it is specified that it is for a limited time

[next onyx]

That's a completely different section SG.

[uncut bay]

and battlefield is the burger king lmao

[craggy forum]

and returned for warzone for a year and stopped mid coldwar warzone

[shell ermine]

And BF is the Long John Silver's now.

Barely hanging in there

[solid imp]

Hey I will always prefer a fish dinner over a soggy bun lol

[next onyx]

I swear it's permanent rip. Maybe they just didn't update the description cause to be fair, Breakthrough and conquest 64 were listed as LTM's and they've been that way until now LMAO.

[olive lake]

As it stands, the campaign for COD MW2 ought to be good. Hopefully whatever PvE option they bring in whether its Spec Ops or maybe something new I'm looking forward to it a bit more than 2042

[craggy forum]

honestly more than half of the people who will play cod will be playing warzone 2 only and ditch mw2

[honest comet]

cods have nothing new ever, same stuff over and over, oh apart from unlocking the doors lol

[scarlet hornet]

It's time limited, see the description in-game https://i.gyazo.com/a9d13e1bfc4a69a10432b2b5b1cf1e50.jpg

[soft swallow]

Wait, I don't understand these references, in Italy McDonald's and Burger King don't make much difference, there is no particular fast food culture

[olive lake]

I thankfully have game share so I know a family member will get it so I don't have to buy it

[shell ermine]

Right, and the entire upper portion of Valparaiso between the two upper HQs is brand new. There is a lot of space between the highway and the bridge they could've expanded on in Arica

[dull cedar]

i'm hyped for the impending collapse of the Western game industry

[next onyx]

Talking about fast food, I Had a dream that hungry jacks, Australian burger king was in Georgia.

[solid imp]

For my comment I meant it as: Everywhere, Never going away, Fills you up but overall quality... meh

[dull cedar]

give Japan, China and South Korea a chance for once

[uncut bay]

both are the generic fast food places, though mcdonalds is usually regarded as better in most ways. Point being that both cod and bf are long running franchises that are roughly competing, but bf has gotten itself into a hard spot as of late

[olive lake]

Who's to say that its not happening already?

[next onyx]

Don't ask me why I had a dream being in an American state.

[velvet sand]

Man...that they put a countdown on the reveal trailer for S1 is kinda hilarious to me. At least we know exactly when it's coming out/reveal is supposed to happen, I guess.

[fierce gull]

MW2 and battlefield 2042 what a time to be a live

[honest comet]

wdym japan has most famous games and studios lol

[next onyx]

China's the biggest in its own country.

For... Obvious reasons.

[olive lake]

In before the trailer is just a operator showing off their ability, new weapons, map and maybe some of the cosmetics and then that's it.

[soft swallow]

Everyone has their dreams, where they want to go, what they want to do.

[next onyx]

LMAO I wanna go to the Netherlands.

[solid imp]

Don't go to Georgia even in your dreams lolol

[next onyx]

I was in a car, Don't blame me.

[honest comet]

japan has biggest game industry then any country i believe

[scarlet hornet]

You're welcome here haha

[warped pulsar]

Which will have the most player do you guys think? Mw2 or Warzone 2?

[shell ermine]

The only reason to go to Georgia is to burn it down

[honest comet]

warzone 2 coz its free

[uncut bay]

the best selling console of all time is japanese lmao asia is practically where it began

[next onyx]

I had to go to some birthday party and it involved a paintball arena.

[tacit sphinx]

i think it's an LTM in the sense that they were like "ok we'll label it that way and have it there to gauge the reception" rather than "this is here for a few days"

[next onyx]

Yeah I think like that.

if it's negative, get rid of it.

If it's good well. Don't update and keep it.

[uncut bay]

warzone because BRs are the trend

[honest comet]

plus free

[tacit sphinx]

i mean... yeah? idk what else it would really be considering it's a season trailer

[soft swallow]

"What a time to be alive" I think was one of the first signs that it would have made it clear that the game was going to be a boor but I'm happy that they are transforming it from "What a Time to be alive" to "Charlie Foxtrot here we come"

[shell ermine]

The top 8 best selling game consoles are Japanese lmao, it takes to number 9 to get to the 360.

[next onyx]

I remember the chapter 6 trailer how we saw that flaggy boi outfit for the japanese.

[river trench]

What if mw2 flop 💀💀

[olive lake]

Yeah but I mean they do it in a pace where almost nothing gets shown.

[next onyx]

It won't, It's COD.

[fierce gull]

funniest shit

[olive lake]

Other than the miniscule bits and pieces

[next onyx]

I actually would buy a SCAR skin if I could.

Gimme a total conversion.

[honest comet]

it wont bcs cod can sell anything and players will praise it

[fierce gull]

all they gonna do for mw2 is a serious season 1 and anime season 2 skins

[dull cedar]

what I meant with "give Japan, China and South Korea a chance" is that only video game companies in these countries should be making video games while Western ones are on timeout for about a year or so

[soft swallow]

Well what else should they show, probably tomorrow there will also be patch notes but the season trailer will be based on the content of the season

[tacit sphinx]

realistically mw2 won't flop because CoD games are basically immune to flopping by nature of having a massive fanbase who will just buy whatever

[uncut bay]

ignoring the significant amount of criticism vanguard and cold war got lol

[olive lake]

If there's patch notes, that's good. But I somewhat doubt that may happen.

[tacit sphinx]

even infinite warfare, a flop by CoD standards, outsold bf1 whilst it was the current game

[shell ermine]

You all in here acting like COD isn't enjoyable to play for tons of people

[honest comet]

check how many ppl play it tho

[olive lake]

If it does, cool. If not, then don't expect me to be surprised.

[river trench]

Maybe mw2 wont flop cuz of people who just want to preorder anyways

[uncut bay]

cod just manages to capture lots of casual gamers, which realistically do not care nearly as much as dedicated players. Battlefield tried to be more generic and hop on trends but it obviously backfired because the core game was shit

[still vault]

Weeeeeee

[olive lake]

Only good thing about CoD Cold War was the foundation for Zombies. Not Outbreak but the core gameplay mechs of it was great

[honest comet]

thing is u cant compare those 2, cod is lesser league then rainbow six

[uncut bay]

i mean it isn't

[tacit sphinx]

patch notes are generally a couple days before the release so it really just depends when the season is scheduled to release - if it's next week then i'd probably expect the notes to be next tuesday or so

[soft swallow]

Well actually the Battlefield fanbase is much more "severe" if we can define it that way. The fact is that Battlefield has always kept a serious tone in its games while Battlefield 2042 feels like a large-scale circus with 128 cloned clowns, so it's only fitting that the fanbase got pissed off.

[olive lake]

The rarity weapon system, no perk cap, the field powers. It was all fun.

[fierce gull]

i better see some explosions

[shell ermine]

The COD/BF rivalry has always been stupid and the gatekeeping "COD players are just casuals" nonsense is really telling on yourself.

COD and BF are very different games with different goals and audiences and its entirely possible to equally enjoy both.

[still adder]

personally I view IW trying to be Titanfall but instead brought dishonor to itself.

[river trench]

Cloned clowns 💀💀💀

[olive lake]

I mean, gatekeeping is everywhere. Even on both sides.

[latent acorn]

You won't say anything about CSGO skins?

[olive lake]

There was a time where you couldn't unlock weapons in CoD Cold War zombies and people were against letting people do that.

[honest comet]

oh really? tell me points where cod is better then rainbow six, what does it have more then it? like in rainbow u have much more options to do in game while cod is just generic fps shooter which had no major improvements in gameplay since its start

[olive lake]

Luckily Treyarch actually listened. Even though it took em 3 seasons to do that.

[next onyx]

Black ops 2 was the bomb.

[uncut bay]

the fact is that the majority of any game's playerbase are "casuals", doesn't matter if anybody likes it or not. Dedicated players that bother to interact on forums will always be a minority and captivating casual players will always be a game's priority

[fierce gull]

never really played csgo

[next onyx]

I miss that game.

[soft swallow]

WHAT THE FUCK

[river trench]

@soft swallow

[next onyx]

You ok Mat.

[uncut bay]

oh so it's your opinion, yeah don't really care then

[olive lake]

I feel like games generally need to be inclusive to everybody. Not gatekeeping others.

[soft swallow]

Angel vs angel if you know what I mean

[honest comet]

nah its facts lol so you can say arguments which u dont have lol

[fierce gull]

so what about content for portal?

[soft swallow]

Lol my discord is broken help

[fierce gull]

are there going to be new battlefield titles for portal?

[river trench]

Nothing for now

[soft swallow]

Good for you, it's kinda boring to me

[latent acorn]

MW2022 isn't gonna be generic

[uncut bay]

you talk all that shit on an opinion lmao i'm not going back and forth because it won't get anywhere

[river trench]

Counter strike 1.5>>>cs:go

[uncut bay]

if you want to talk numbers you can say that again

[next onyx]

It's sad to see that angel was only good because of his broken ass armour.

[solid imp]

we'll see... I think it's clear not in S1 but there were lots of questions on the survey about what type of updates could go into Portal so it's on the table at least. There weren't any questions around HZ so that tracks with their actual decision making.

[next onyx]

He could have been much better balanced.

[craggy forum]

well it'll be MW2019 but with new story and better graphics

[olive lake]

As someone who tolerates CoD for what it is, I'm sorry but it probably will be.

[soft swallow]

I doubt there will be more, but it would be cool to see something from Battlefield 2, Battlefield 2142, Battlefield BC and Battlefield 1943

[olive lake]

And there's nothing wrong with that. Its just how CoD is.

[craggy forum]

and same OG MW2 maps

[solid imp]

Karkand when? 🙂

[river trench]

Bf2>>>>

[honest comet]

i asked u nicely, tell me what options u have in game of cod that surpass the rainbow six? cod made door able to be open after 20 years lol

[latent acorn]

Fucking BF3 remake

[olive lake]

Unless they actually try bringing really new stuff to the table.

[soft swallow]

It's more fun, and of the discussion

[shell ermine]

Putting armor in BF is like number 4 on the list of gigantic mistakes DICE made with 2042, after no classes, no server browser, and no input based discrimination.

[latent acorn]

DMZ mode

[olive lake]

Like modern zombies or something of the sort.

[next onyx]

To be fair their games have always had armour.

[honest comet]

u obviously havent played rainbow lol

[olive lake]

What, you mean that PvPvE Tarkov mode?

[solid imp]

Now yes, I do enjoy 2042 but THIS would be the winning decision for sure.

[next onyx]

Bf4 had the defensive perk.

Bf1 had sentry kits.

[uncut bay]

like i said, i'm not going to have this conversation because you will literally never agree

[latent acorn]

CQB vs Zombies

[soft swallow]

But that's a Battlefield 3 DLC

[solid imp]

bf2

[honest comet]

just admit u got nothing to say and its fine , we move on 🙂

[soft swallow]

I did and it was cool, but Cod I enjoyed it more than Rainbow

[latent acorn]

Spam dice to remake BF3 with better fpp animations

Infantry reloads ftw

[next onyx]

Off brand but BFH even had the armoured insert that would reduce damage to the chest by 50% pre patch, This was reduced to 25 and armour tracer rounds would completely invalidate it.

[honest comet]

well thats fine for you, best customer for cod lol

[uncut bay]

i've got plenty, just not to you

[honest comet]

sure you do 🙂

[dull cedar]

selling DICE to Bandai Namco or Tencent would be the real winning decision tbh
imagine the next Battlefield being the first one without a shitty launch

[next onyx]

Just knock it off you two.

[latent acorn]

CoD better

[solid imp]

EA wants to get bought I doubt they would carve DICE out in a separate M&A prior to being acquired

[soft swallow]

Imagine not accepting the opinions of others like a kindergarten child

[latent acorn]

Imagine Battlefield Strangereal

[honest comet]

why would i accept your opinion? i ask black on white, by what is cod better then rb6?

[lofty nymph]

OMG i cant wait to buy all sexy skins in season 1 BATCHEST

[soft swallow]

I said my opinion, it's more fun, what I have to say?

[latent acorn]

Cuz he think it is, he's suited for it

[honest comet]

thats good for you lol but pure sentimental opinion

[silk surge]

Did Exodus boost the playercount? It's insane how easy it is to find full games with crossplay off. I played during monday morning, and I didn't see a single AI.

[solid imp]

I've got Bo Burnham's "Welcome to the internet" on repeat in my head watching this conversation

[latent acorn]

Ohh man I miss BF3 vs MW3 lol

[velvet sand]

Anecdotally, it largely seems to have centralized players to that single mode.

[honest comet]

it was never a contest lol

[next onyx]

A better comparison would be bloody black ops 2 and bf3 in all honesty.

Both were actually pretty good games,.

[silk surge]

Yeah, that might be it. Players are less divided between PORTAL and AOW.

[next onyx]

But FUCK black ops 2 was almost a decade ago. -.-

[honest comet]

comparing a game where u can just run and shoot to a game u can fly vehicles, drive em, destroy anything with bigger maps is just LOL

[soft swallow]

Games like Rainbow are the ones that definitely appeal to me the least, I prefer a game where there is a lot of fast action rather than tactical ... and in fact I don't even know why I play Arma but the fact is that I like that game a lot

[latent acorn]

"battlefield better and realistic cuz of destruction!"
"No, CoD Better!"

[dull cedar]

soon it will be 10 years old

[next onyx]

Yeah I know that's why I wrote almost!

[uncut bay]

and it's your "sentimental opinion" that siege is better. You ask people to tell you why they prefer cod and then belittle their opinions, should go elsewhere if you want to bait arguments

[next onyx]

I remember being hyped for that.

[honest comet]

bcs none said why lol

[next onyx]

Just a damn good game with good balance.

[nova torrent]

i really wish i played bo2

[solid imp]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eating-popcorn-movie-time-gif-12551924

[next onyx]

Can you two just move on? Thunder and Kato.

[latent acorn]

Menendez!

[soft swallow]

Anyone who says Battlefield is realistic is a bit deluded. It is certainly one of the least realistic war games that a person can play

[honest comet]

im movin on

[shell ermine]

MW3 is one of like 3 CODs I skipped because as a poor college sophomore at the time I could only get one, BF3 or MW3.

[latent acorn]

For a console

[nova torrent]

bf is more realistic but at least its not milsim realism

[nova torrent]

bro bf started as a pc only franchise

[next onyx]

I got it on pc on my craptop, Could barely run it well. My mum got me it for the 360 on the same weekend I got hit by a car and went to town on that game.

[honest comet]

thing is bf lets u do much more in a game with bigger maps

[nova torrent]

good lord

[uncut bay]

there are degrees of realism. Battlefield is certainly more realistic than cod in most departments, but it's still merely an arcade game compared to arma or even squad

[solid imp]

It's interesting to consider how Arma will go with the newest one I just can't quite wrap my head around controller in Arma with the 5k keybinds you need on PC

[next onyx]

The most realistic thing battlefield had I guess would be more realistic bullet ballistics. But now both games use it and both are just as unrealistic as each other.

[latent acorn]

as for 2010s Battlefield Games did the realism far more than CoDs

[nova torrent]

because CoD aims for fun over realism, as does BF.

[next onyx]

In Cod and battlefield your soldier has unlimited sprint, They're fit as hell since they can run an infinite distance with a loaded MG.

[still adder]

Future ARMA games will require you to have 3 keyboards to play it.

[latent acorn]

CoD never focuses on realism until MW2019 came out lol

[next onyx]

I will grow a third arm in that case.

[soft swallow]

Battlefield and Cod have 2 completely different gameplay formulas, but that doesn't mean one is worse than the other. Making similar comparisons is nothing stupid, especially since they are two games that have the same intention, that is to handle war in a completely different way from the real one.

[next onyx]

One hand for each keyboard.

[shell ermine]

Its hard to elucidate how incredible BFV's gunplay is, but imo the only games that comes close to as satisfying is MW19 and Vanguard. 2042 isn't even in the running and I'm really annoyed with DICE for that.

[soft swallow]

True

[next onyx]

Gunplay for 2042 is alright but it certainly could be a bit less floaty. It's weird to describe.

[solid imp]

I feel people conflate "realism" with "immersion" though... not sure BF has ever had "realism" as a focus beyond gunplay

[dull cedar]

Western games are mid these days tbh

[latent acorn]

Can we seriously get an Ace Combat x Battlefield?

[uncut bay]

it's that damn engine. It's marvelous, both MW19 and Vanguard used it. Can't wait to see what the new one is like

[next onyx]

That'd be pretty cool honestly.

Am interested how well mw2 will look.

[nova torrent]

tbh it isnt fair to compare CoD and BF in terms pf realism

[still adder]

No need to have Ace Combat x BF when Air Superiority exist.

[shell ermine]

Yeah, I don't get it. Maybe it's ADAD spam or something but I find it much harder to keep on target in 2042. It's like the game pushes my crosshair off of enemies

[soft swallow]

The weapons have absolutely nothing to do with those of reality, but it is right because the gunplay is based on the player's comfort and on the balance for each weapon

[next onyx]

That's your slowdown.

[warped pulsar]

1.0 tomorrow?

[uncut bay]

finally vehicle kill assists. Might start playing more often now

[latent acorn]

Imagine Tauberg Map in Battlefield 😳

[olive lake]

So the leaks were true. AI squadmates are now a thing

[lofty nymph]

You cant compare cod and r6 tbh, other than being shooters

[olive lake]

But the progression is STILL CAPPED ARE YOU KIDDING ME DICE.

[shell ermine]

I've tried it both completely off and at like 50%, still happens either way

[next onyx]

Yeah turn it off.

[velvet sand]

https://twitter.com/BattlefieldComm/status/1533834150209282052 HOLY SHIT THEY FIGURED OUT VECHICLE ASSIST XP WHAT A FUCKING TIME TO BE ALIVE

[lofty nymph]

Dude portal and HZ died on launch, forget it

[solid imp]

It's true the actual weapons traits fully agreed.. was thinking more about ballistics and such but even there are massive compromises to simply keep the game fun, otherwise hardcore should be the only game mode.

[next onyx]

Max seriously we just see you whining about the same thing over and over, Know when to actually stop.

[austere owl]

season 1 hype

[olive lake]

No it was literally fine on launch! Then the farmers on portal ruined it for everyone

[honest comet]

ur brainwashed by cod lol open your eyes, bigger maps, land, air and sea vehicles, destruction, graphics every time and so on, more players per map etc

[velvet sand]

wait...so update tomorrow but that's not the start of S1?

[dusk fern]

This better be the king of season 1s for a live service game. Like too much content.

[olive lake]

Also I will not stop. Its what I paid for.

I want this game to genuinely be good.

[lofty nymph]

Because it wasnt fine, not thoughtout enough, ofc people were making boosting lobbies if its possible

[arctic grove]

correct. its just gameplay and trailer

[hearty flame]

1 new map and a few guns so far

[warped pulsar]

a mini update before S1, hmm

[next onyx]

Boosting lobbies were made way too easy with Bots.

[velvet sand]

"Damaging an enemy vehicle now triggers an XP event" - 8 months later we're slowly crawling back to the scoring system from BFV

[abstract plume]

I got the game free with the origin membership and have enjoyed my time so far 🤷‍♂️

[next onyx]

Game was rushed, Edge.

[olive lake]

Yeah on portal

[next onyx]

I'm glad they're doing something about that.

[arctic grove]

some of those new guns are from portal lmao

[olive lake]

Not AOW. AOW solo/co-op had no reason to be touched period

[next onyx]

Hopefully we get soldier damage score too.

[velvet sand]

But I heard it was way ahead of schedule and we just needed to trust them, fam.

[shell ermine]

Maybe I'm just getting old but engagement distances for non-snipers are way longer in 2042 than previous games and it's actually a bit difficult to see enemies sometimes at these distances.

Though honestly when I get killed at these huge distances from non-snipers it's always a PC player so I assume it's another KB&M advantage.

[uncut bay]

yesss, been asking since the beta

[dusk fern]

There needs to be skins, weapons, dog tags, melee animations, like tons.

[next onyx]

if it's to be trusted. It was said by someone who had no idea what they're talking about.

[lofty nymph]

They better add the AS Val from BF3 into 2042 with Sp6 and SPP rounds

[hearty flame]

Lmao guess recycling counts as content

[next onyx]

But that's a whatever.

[warped pulsar]

Some higher up said that, not a dev themselves

[solid imp]

YES_ been asking for "assist counts as kill" for ages on both inf+veh... except I'll always be proud of grinding my recoilless the hard way lolol

[uncut bay]

nah you're right, with the bigger maps everything happens at longer ranges and the game just doesn't feel very well configured for that

[lofty nymph]

Dont say that to destiny players

[hearty flame]

Eh that doesn't really help the game if it doesn't improve the state its in

[next onyx]

Actual map yes?

[hearty flame]

It's why I fell off destiny 2

[velvet sand]

Man, next time I'll just wait 12+ months for DICE to take the time to actually finish core development on the next BF game. Seems like they never have enough time even with extra studios helping and another year to build it. This is hilarious and sad.

[honest comet]

good idea hah

[next onyx]

The SCAR H is what the STG 44 from bf5 wants to be.

[dusk fern]

It’s true. Ideally more maps, and maybe factions (I still hate specialists but that’s me). The game still needs a LOT of work obviously. That Bf3 feel is what I’m after.

[lofty nymph]

You want melee animations? We got them, check this out! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enIVk-fQqcw

[rotund trout]

plz nerf the k30 and the super hind...

[shell ermine]

Imo BFV launched feature complete with excellent gameplay, just not enough content.

[velvet sand]

I wish they were at least a but more humble about the fact that they're still finishing core development on a rushed game they told us a bunch of dishonest bullshit about.

[arctic grove]

is it 3rd person animations???

[hearty flame]

You're chasing the dragon I see lol

[shell ermine]

2042 launched feature incomplete and with not enough content, so DICE has regressed

[lofty nymph]

Its 4D

[frosty mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hfeb7eIzbo

Woiiiii

[arctic grove]

dice humble??? LMAO bro they rather develope the game and sell it to us and rather than admit anything

[dull cedar]

what could improve BF2042 is selling EA to Nintendo (because I personally don't trust Western game companies to make anything right anymore points at No Man's Sky, Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077 launches) and letting that company continue working on the game and Apex etc. yes I'm serious

[dusk fern]

I still want suppressing fire back in game. That was 🔥 I’m trying to send 300 rounds down range and disperse the whole team. Lol

[next onyx]

Interesting.