#battlefield-2042
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Nope
dead game is dead
agreed 
ehh anything below 5k player base is a dead game
rn it has like 1k or 2k
Dead to me without 128 player Breakthrough. I was really enjoying it until the removed it.
Source?
pre dead also y es i was enjoying
there's like 70% of the players saying they hated it
dead is a very subjective term, but even then the game is hardly dead
Source?
cough bots cough
don't need facts mate
At least give us players the option to play it
cough sea is dead cough oce is somewhat alive
don't need facts lmfao
WoW is dead
raw source?
the state of the battlefield community
world war 3 is better :))
fortnite is dead, CoD is dead, GTA is dead, Hold Fast is dead, etc
how so lmao?
yay bf2042 has abit more players 2,573 In-Game | 1,392 in Group Chat | Follow | View Stats
ww3 has the potential to be better but it's really lacking as of right now
Breakthrough - some of the 64 player maps are better, but I still miss the chaos of 128 player maps.
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you fr? the new updates are bussin and im enjoying it so far
2042 free to play when tho
a handful of players, little content, bland maps, poor vehicle gameplay and poor gunplay yeah
cough alpha
Exodus conquest has really improved my enjoyment of the game.
I'm just saying top 5 games are currently living it
it's fun for a game or two, if you can find the players
oh i find players instant
Same here
i think they use eu servers?
What is that?
cq with portal and base maps
Conquest 64 with portal maps.
Maybe they will add more of the old maps?
maybe I'll give it a try after work tonight
heyyy yoooo BF1 hype ?
bf1 is more fun than 2042 tbh
but it ain't modern
I don't think they'll had battle of the bulge and al alamein to exodus conquest.
They're not exactly the best maps for it.
bf1 is the nost boring battlefiekd
who cares about that xD its just more fun
"hears modern shooter players crying"
oh no so you like 2042 running simulator
x10 more fun than bf1
true it is a fun game to play
i was wondering about that, glad to hear they aren't in the rotation
But would it be "much work" to make remakes of other classical maps? Maybe even some from BF1 and BFV
how is 2042 more fun than bf1 wtf
Who knows Nero.
yes, it probably would be given how much dice have struggled with frostbite thus far
Better gunplay for the most part.
reddit moment
bf1 good = redditor
i imagine a day when a new battlefield game releases which is complete and polished on launch day with rich content and everyone is having fun playing it.
probably because bf4 is almost a decade old and half its maps are locked behind dlc which nobody plays
hah no you aint getting that
i know
One can dream
Maybe someday
They really shouldâve made those DLCs free. Itâs been years
I mean if you look at it BF5 had a very shitty launch
they did make some free
They shouldâve made it all free tbh or just sold the deluxe with everything unlocked
true
but dude imagine if they remastered Battlefield 2
the only game ive played recently at launch and had a blast playing it is elden ring, despite its minor performance issues, the game is a gem
dude imagine if they made a completely original battlefield game with a campaign, map-wide destruction, minimal bugs, and regular content drops
Impossible challenge
fuck remasters and remakes, give me a proper game that doesn't rely on reminding the community of the "good old days" to get their attention
The only game I ever enjoy is arma
W
my fps prime days are kind of over now since i got married and had a kid, i feel old now and my reflexes too lmao
so i now play on console, it suits old age more lol
heyy you now living the dream
That era has passed. Itâs now the era of pumping out incomplete games at launch and finishing it over the course of the update cycle
I'm 21 years old and I'm still trya work and shit
If that was his dream
im 27 but yeah
How come I end up in menu after a game and not loading the next game straight away?
Hmm.. Just tired of ending up in losing end of match games
I'm also tired of playing Breakthrough and spawning either 5 minutes away from the point or right in front of an enemy.
đż
Probably cause everyones been playing it so much to the point that's its gotten boring cuz they've been doing the same thing for a long time and EA stopped updating the game
ye
At this point we've probably just come to accept the fact 2042 doesn't get any better than this
We just wanna play a new game
Like every Battlefield
I never played a Battlefield that actually has good spawnpoints
This logic is even worse.
That's the thing Mat.
I've had bad spawns but this game has even worse.
And that's saying something.
Yes very much times I literally spawned in front of a tank or any veichle
Y'all are a glass half empty type of people, for the most part
Well I think that here the spawn it's pretty bugged
Battlefield 2042 has a randomic spawnpoint system so this it's pretty strange
I think all the slots were taken.
And so that was all the game could do.
Can't say I'm complaining though.
Hehe this is so stupid
We hope that one day they will decide to improve the spawnpoints
When you spawn 100 METERS from the original objective... 
game is going in the right direction
i'm the "it's half a glass of water"
When are dice and EA gonna fix the failed to load persistence data bug
Hey is the battle pass active as of right now?
no,it goes live with Season 1
does this problem still exist?
Alright thank you because I thought I got some kind of cosmetic from it lastnight and it said something about me leveling up on the battle pass
that's just mislabelled, it's part of the EA play rewards đ
A brand new EA Play reward is now live within the game, "Dustproof" - Epic Rarity Headgear for Rao.
All EA Play subscribers that log in from June 1st to June 29th, can unlock this cosmetic!
Rao loves a good Boonie Hat.
Ah alright thank you
i want it but i dont have ea play and its not really worth it for me 
On Xbox one it does
Every time I shut off both the game and the Xbox and come back to it the morning it still happens
I'll just play bf4 and get the headgear for free đ
Hey carpo are they getting rid of 128 player lobbies?
Because EA wants you to spend more money on services for cosmetics.
Well they can kiss my broke ass
Why does it feel like there is more hackers per game than in Tarkov or Warzone
Because it's getting prolific right now
They are a for-profit corporation with a fiduciary responsibility to deliver value to their shareholders at the end of the day.
Is there a weekly rotation or nah
Nah
Oof
128p will still be available for CQ and portal experiences, just not breakthrough
Damn its gotten to the point even Battlefield friends new video addresses how long its taken for the game to get better
AND ITS GONNA TAKE EVEN LONGER STILL
I spam the Su-57 in the vehicle tab
I keep spamming for 3-4 mn
Eventually gets free
Vehicle tab disappear then reappears
Allied attack aircraft has spawned
Not an Su-57
Not me piloting
Vehicle cooldown : 2mn
Fantastic
That was a good BF Friends episode, heh.
Even better, cooldown ends, says the attack aircraft is "in play"
There is currently an attack aircraft slot available but I cannot use it because the vehicle that I supposedly got granted is in play
DICE ffs fix the damn game
Are there any new progressional skins other than blue, tier one and camos?
Itâs almost like EA is a company trying to make money or something
A 2 seats jet would be cool
But companies are supposed to have some basic form of ethics where they gotta release a product with a minimum quality threshold to reach because it's kind of bullshit right now
Maps are large and pilot as to go everywhere through the map to find enemies, a copilot with light gunnery could be useful
And that means they canât release a little cosmetic piece every so often why, exactly?
No they do that shit for free
Cosmetics aren't making a buggy game better
The people who work on cosmetics arenât the same people working on stability and mechanics. They can work on both simultaneously.
AlsoâŚguess weâre just gonna ignore the vast consensus that the game is much more stable after the patches of the last few months, unless you wanna bitch about that too
My point exactly, maybe it's time to hire competent people to fix the damn game, because as long as it'll be barely playable, no one will care about the cosmetics

I mean it's playable and way better than it was. But it's still fairly buggy for a game that's just about to receive its first new content 8 months post launch.
âBarely playableâ
Are we playing the same game?? I have almost no problems with the game whatsoever
I need to leave this chat before I start getting pissed
bring back 128 bt
MY DUDE (but it's never gonna happen and we will get no compensation)
tfw coming back to 2042 since launch only to find 128 bt is gone 
Oh it's been stabilized sure
But it's still barely playable
Missile warnings (for lock on ammo) that appears only after the missile has been launched is on the top of the list of stupid ass issues that can't be that hard to fix
don't be sad

the game is far from "barely" playable, don't be ridiculous
stabilized
still barely playable
You keep using that word. I donât think it means what you think it means.
sadge
...Rao Dustproof Headgear and no camouflage as face painting... 
Compensation is season 1
homeboy is clearly frustrated, frustration leads to hyperbole when venting
what a time to be alive!
That ad was so cringe
make battlefield great again
One thing I don't get, if there is a vehicle ready, if I die why can't I just take it?
New battlefield friends ep came out
Yes I guess MW2 trailer will also still the show to season 1 if they decide to release it the same week
It's been like that in past games, why have they gone and changed it
I feel sorry for the patch guy
What ad was that ?
Build that wall !
haha lol
But Renewal already has a wall.
true that
Remove Ea
lmao no no
He needs to be taller
Or only to be destructible
Wdym they let battlefield suffer
uh a bit
Why can't we place some dynamite at a certain point of the wall to make it go boom, like you can activate some shit on Discarded
release the kraken yea
Because that's baked into the map on Discarded. Pre-made event (like the rocket blowing up), not something dynamic or anything. They could conceivably add something like that to Renewal with the rework for S2, but probably won't.
No that's sure they wont, that could have been cool however
I forgot and don't wanna remember it
Looks traumatic so
Ok I just saw what that was and I also forgot
Season 1 info
next week, prob
Ask Carpo he knows everything
Just watched the new BFF episode, best one so far đ I love these guys.
what do they meann early june ?
It means "early june"
DICE are very liberal with the word early.
every time i hear something like ((ealry (time))) i get scared
cause ik there is big delay or lie are hiding behind the word ((early)) đ
Don't forget the skins guy 
They released the 'early april' update almost late april.

Early June = end of June or July lmao
why dont they release the game ((early)) ?đ
They did. Which is why we are in this mess.
no i mean on another hand which mean they say early and they release update or games late
I guess the goblins at EA didn't wanna miss the holiday sale bracket.
why do i explain this joke that was very awkward and cringe anyway lol
So kind
i mean they actually live in activision
but in term of ea history and pretty much money eating yeah i agree
Lmao Neebs: "Bring some cookies" 
why not post the link to the youtube video
The mods would be mad at me.
FINALLY
why
No more stuttering on xbox
Exodus?
S1 has yet to come out lmao
...what?
Thereâs a fucking portal experience called I kid you not âmost realistic (Ukraine vs Russia) war and it has 45/64 players
the people who got rejected to be drafted into the conflict are playing that
Idk how they would do Ukraine though, can you make custom factions in portal?
All modes
Also this is accurate
Itâs bf3
So us vs Russia
Yes
LMAO i was playing it last night
Oh, so it's just 2042 with classes 
its actually fun
How is it any different to normal Conquest
Yo I'm looking back through that Feb post in the BF forums taht announced the "road to S1" and like...whatever happened to this stuff?
"For team play, you can expect us to incorporate a clearer, tighter squad loop, a refined ping system, and an improved reward loop for when you and your squad play the objective."
Did I miss updates on those areas, or did they just not happen over the past 5 months?
That was 4.0 patch
apparently.
I don't remember anything about squad loops or the ping system, though I guess maybe rewards count since they tweaked XP gains for some activities
They added voip. maybe it was referring to that.
honestly all that marketing language really makes it vague but i assume more will be implemented in S1.
The Ukraine war really opened my eyes to how many 'woah this is just like my video game' incels there are in this community.
naw, referenced separately from VOIP in that post. I guess it's just more things DICE said they were going to do but just ended up forgetting about or deciding, "nah" on.
Without attempting to derail to the war too much...hearing some of the trash talk apparently happening over the radio was also interesting because holy shit a lot of it has sounded like the lobby for any sweaty FPS with tryhards : |
Like, tell me that was from a lan cafe of folks playing BF against each other, shouting across the room, and I'd have believed it.
That's fine to point out. What really bothers me are the cringelords that posts clips titled 'look at this dogfight kill lolol this is just like ghost of kiev'
omega cringe shit, but not unexpected on the internetz
Pretty shit stuff if you ask me
it's bound to happen in a war game community with a significant fraction being made up of children and teenagers, but yeah it's still quite horrible to see
I had a guy with a pfp of a 12 year old tell me in extremely broken English that he started in BF2.
How do I make battlefield 2042 full screen? It's windowed right now
Hell, I'm 26 years old, I started late in BC2. Even I'm too young to have played BF2.
I started halfway through bf3âs life cycle
Literally anyone? Its in full screen mode
As much as I hate my dad, heâs the one that got me into battlefield
I used to watch him play it
The game is literally like 4 years older than that kid
I heard season 1 is coming out next week
Cap the earliest date was leaked to be 16th
You can try pressing Alt + Enter
But i think its gonna be more late than that
Alt enter
I think the game could use more details
thats extremely vague
Detail is a hard thing for modern day DICE
May someone please help? Whenever I tab out of battlefield 2042 and back in it becomes windowed. I don't know how to fix this as it's already set as Fullscreen inside. What do I do?
press Alt + Enter
LMAOa fucking cringefest.
Reminds me of cod lobbies
New BFF dropped.
When the battle pass dropping
after S1 drops
So the old maps being in the 64p conquest rotation is limited time I would imagine?
Sadly these maps are better than the new ones and once they rotate out with the limited player base it will likely be hard to find a full server running conquest on these older maps.
For now, yes. Though it could be "limited time" in the same way the 64p variants were "limited time" to begin with...before they became permanent : P
Can someone who knows computers please dm me?
Oh right weâre technically in early summer
Waiting for the announcement of an actual date should be fun
prob next week
When is the new BF coming again? Oct 2023?
One season is only 3 months tho
Wouldnât it be 8 seasons then?
No, 4 seasons = 1 year, each season is 3 months.
a season is 3 months, so 4 seasons is a year
Not seen it
It's not a trailer well it is and at the end of it it says "June 8 worldwide reveal"
That would be #other-games
Looking forward to playing it. Will judge it once I get to play it.
?
Ill check
#other-games for talk about other games
Ight
New playlist is dope much more fun than normal
Did they fix the netcode and server performance issues in the season 1 update?
Lol
Nope
Oh, thats a bummer
they could, we dunno till we get the full update notes
There's no update dude
đ
"Early June" they said
While they're doing cringe videos with Cod streamers it says a lot about the foot he wants to take the game
And I want to stay away from it
They are hyping absolutely everybody while the game will turn into delicious shit 3 months after release
Lol I'm pretty sure it's a MW2019 remake, same mechanics, same content and same cosmetics store
what is the fastest way to level up cause its hard
Throw ammo and heal equipment, revive and kill
The multiplayer will be the same as MW2019 and I don't want to spend 60 euros for 5 hours of campaign
True
ok thanks
Lol I was so disappointed with campaign because it was good firstly, but it only lasts 5 hours
No problems
mw campaign was pretty short but it reminded me of older CoDs a bit
Atleast 3 months and not after 2 weeks đ
Alot of cool games arriving this year
Yes except the last mission was pretty shit while all other cod had good last missions
I thought it was different from Battlefield, which is a game that also focused a lot on the campaign, and therefore I expected 15-20 hours of gameplay, instead it was only 5 and I was very disappointed by that
Yes anyway it will end up like MW2019, good at first with good weapons and true camos and skins to attract true players, and then they'll bring up all the weird cosmetics to attract kids and weirdos
Attack On Titan cosmetics what the fuck?
15 hours would have been cool but they would never do that unfortunately, but 10 hours would be a good compromise
I heard new Nfs will be anime inspired and shit, gaming is doomed đ
new BFFS mad funny
Lol yes anime cosmetics and weird cat hears
Need for speed anime inspired ? Ho fuck
Meh I think I'm going to buy the old ArmA at this point
an anime nfs would actually do really well not gonna lie
Need for speed ?
ye
I will have to be honest that that game has never attracted me, bought and played for a very short time only to be uninstalled
Gas gas gas, I'm gonna step on the gas
CS is superior but boring after I played it for so long competitively. R6 more on the more casual side
NFS Carbon was basically that so why not go all out
I don't like CS too, I think it's the overly tactical-arcade genre that I don't like in general
I played R6 for like 60 hours it was ok but after I stopped the game seems to just have gotten worse and worse
what is nfs???
Need for Speed
need 4 speed
My brother was in the top 1% for hours played in r6 on ps4
bro that game is fun
Kinda nuts
Hot Pursuit 2010 was great actually
I havenât really played since then though, The Run turned me off
Lmao exactly the same
I used to play it a bit because all my friends were addicted to that shit but I never figured out why
Promising at launch and it ended up into another specialist cosmetic shit
You know the existence of Most Wanted right ? Best NFS game ever
Has there ever been a CoD campaign with more than 10ish hours to fully complete?
Tbh, the netcode has been fine for me since 4.0. But it's one of these things that highly depends based on who you ask.
Hell, 2042's netcode is better than BFV's current netcode for me at least.
Sacrilegious.
Is it though? It's not like BFV is hailed as a masterpiece by the community. At least not until recently.
for me bf4 and 1 is a masterpiece
I just like being controversial.
I think V is good, honestly. Gunplay & movement is fantastic.
V is really good but the controversies with "dont like it? dont buy it."; Had litte content at launch; elites and skins. live sevice; etc... ruined it for me but i still play and enjoy the game.
what the utter fuck is the point of a wildcat when stingers do more damage to air vehicles than its AA?
here i am, seeing a condor hover over me, light it up with cannons, hit it with both aa, and then more canons and it still gets to fly away. yall know a vehicle based AA missile would have more payload than a shoulder fired right?
Boris getting a glow up ??
Yes hopefully
sexy russian bear
Surpriseee
Will battlefield 4 be the next portal game mode?
They haven't said anything about adding other BF's to portal, I think. No teases about S1 additions to Portal either from what I know, we'll find out more whenever they announce stuff.
I don't think
This game is so damn dead
queueing up just fine
matter of a fact you made me wanna go play some exodus conquest rn
servers down or something?
^
Dude why tf can helicopters repair themselves from <10 health
With visibly flames and everything without the fre extinguisher
That doesn't make sense
I mean, you can shoot someone in the head with a 7.62 round and theyâll walk it off, BF has never really been realistic lmao
anyone up for some coop
That's understandable because that would be too op for certain guns but at the same time something like smoldering helicopters somehow putting out fires just by using it's rotors is something different
It wasnt like that in bf4
Mechanically itâs pretty much identical to BF4âŚ.
Vehicles in bf4 are impossible to destroy sometimes cause of how good players are lmao
But I'm going with the conclusion that I'm still a noob in the game cause of the learn curve it has
Ai one shot me with Gvt 45 hundred meters far, gg
this game won't even let some people connect
Under better circumstances I'd say yes
But I just cant enjoy solo/coop as is.
fk breakthrough as it is. Defense is impossible to win
Itâs a lot more common to win with 64 tbh
gvt can one-shot, it is a good gun.
by that probability it should be more common to lose, making it the same
Oh my bad, I meant to say to win as a defender
ah
on that front i might still disagree, purely cause the vehicle ratio from atk to def is still wonky as fudgesticks
I swear this game is so garbage . I join a match and it ends
L + bad server + bad region + bozo
The game or me ?
Joining a game that's about to end is very common
you /j
It's shite design
i mean all battlefield games have the probability of joining when a game ends, that is kinda how rotational servers work.
Especially when lobbies aren't consistent
Well im from eu L ECHO
Well EU sucks L LOCKDOWNTURKEY
Nah nah in this bf2042 everyday same bullshit
Yes, but the problem is that lobbies are disbanded after a game ends
i mean over here in the states that are united, i get servers no problem
In old BF games you are kept in the same lobby
that's how they worked in official matchmaking in bf4.
Which is bad
only for custom games
No point in having players join games that end in 20 sec if they get disbanded
i mean would you rather play with the same obnoxious group of people 24/7 or get new people each game.
They could leave?
Its up to the player if they want to leave the server or not
Bozo argument
so, its just a probability, not 100% of matches are gonna have exactly 20 seconds left
in my experience, Ive only joined matches a few times that are about to end, in comparison at least to the games ive joined very early
just keep playing, and thats it
Although honestly the game could use a server browser for regions that arenât retaining players well
Do portal xp farms even work still
there is a server browser
Well, for AOW I mean
Portal is the browser for AoW
lel
I mean in other games, it was only the custom games that got the full browser, aka games that were hosted by non-ea people
the ea games were only quickplay
that is still the case here, portal games are the ones not (entirely) hosted by ea, and aow is the official, aka quickplay
I see what ya mean
No
also, from what my friends in the middle east tell me, there is really only 1 server at a time, as the lower player counts
so it wouldnt really have much an impact if there is only a handful, or 1, option to choose from
and tbh the more populated server regions still dont have a lot, i mean i can find the same people just a few times after matchmaking
True
although, even though i did lay down opposition, I do agree with your let them choose option
cause before v2 i believe there was only a quit button, which got replaced with the continue button in EOR, and i think if they added back the quit, and made that go to the lobby, and kept continue as to auto matchmake again, in the EOR screen, like Overwatch does
If there is only one game at a time, disbanding after ever game makes even less as sense
Ffs
i mean that was an exaggeration.
Echology, are you an EA employee?
and also, wouldnt it not even matter
if there was only a few servers, and the game auto matically makes you matchmake after a game (once hitting continue) then it would basically be the same...
why, cause you believe that nobody actually has their own opinions.
news flash: I do actually have opinions of my own
unlike 99% of reddit
Having bad, nonsensical opinions that defend shite decisions in BF2042 is inline with what EA employees does , yes
Youâre so damn braindeadâŚ
When player population is low, disbanding after every game is dumb af
What have I missed
You say this, but you're the one starting this argument
i mean technically this started as a joking reply to someone with: "L + bad server + bad region + bozo" and i even said it was a joke with
"you /j" in my response to lockdown, which you replied to referencing its "shite design"
heheheha
the internet being the internet
BF2042 is fucking amazing!
Yea just reading it
I mean, it is shite design, it's not a slight towards you
Ok caught up
looking for squad for some breakthrough
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lmao everyone is
join squad 3 if you trying to squad up
Some people here go as far as to say that games like cod mw2 and other well recieved cod games were actually terrible and disliked by the cod community as if 2042 is any different
There's actually proof that less effort was put into this game than older battlefield game, for example the Russian teams voicelines in battlefield portal aren't actually in Russian compared to og bf3's voicelines
Well im 100% sure that eu has more players lol
it doesnt lol
Maybe like 1000 players ur region ?
Heâs a dice fan ssssh . Heâs gonna defend the game till his death . Even if the game has problems he had always something to say to everything
uh no
Well at the moment it has 2000 players on steam lol
I'm a DICE fan too
@edgy oriole
But he is a bf2042 fan đ¤Ą
Doesn't mean I have to defend bad decisions
You won't see me defending specialists and shit
"steam charts"
mhm yes very reliable seeing they are only 1 of 6 (8 if you differentiate between current and last gen) platforms
That's a little far fetched, that percentage of reddit only has the same opinion since they're all people who bought the game when it was first released, and saw how most of what existed in previous battlefield titles (that also made franchise distinct in a good way) was absent or replaced with something worse in 2042
I donât believe that this game has more like 4000 players mate
dude that was a fucking joke
@arctic grove dad pick me up the haters are touching me
Game is so death i keep finding the same matches and maps . Maybe not in the morning but at night itâs death as hell. On bf v the server browser there are so manyyt servers full 64/64 . That game is the only game that is really alive in the franchise the rest is dying unfortunately
I know but that's actually an assumption by a lot of 2042's diehard fans
does the zombie gammode still give weapon kills
thats why its a joke, cause other people were saying that, and i like quoting that cause its also annoying
it should, but check the images sent in #direct-communication for the given rewards for progress in portal
Lol what you say is dumb, even if you play in a lobby all players won't stay for 6 hours long, some players leave everytime a match is over and other one join, so the group isn't the same all the time
that one guy on twitch: allow me to introduce myself
Popcorn material
can you cook me some
Yeah
lets go
Weird, go back to 2042

wanna play
Im making some pizza rolls. i will after i eat.


So when does the next Friday night bf start
the next one is <t:1654304400:R>
To be fair the portal maps are so much better . I only want to play those maps . Dice just needs to bring all the old maps back
No
they did. its in exodus conquest
Jup i think 3 or 2 maps ?
also if you only want those just fudging play portal lmao
Nah i want to play all out warfare with these maps
you can play aow modes in portal. (besides bt, but those maps are not built for bt so it doesnt really matter)
Xp is not the same i think
cause you're bad
Tf are u talking đ
if you dont change anything else, it should be normal, read #direct-communication
Weird bot
Ok boomer thanks
damn you're so cool you called me a boomer!
Ur cooler because u replied to my message
im cooler because i said i am
he the coolest 
Oh my boomer jokes
147 days of life remaining for BF2042
Good because the current one was more boring than the specialist involved
Isnât the current one boris only?
Source me
MWII out october 28 thats 147 days off
Probably the countdown to mw2
same applies to vanguard and halo infinite
No one asked though
you did though
Not
lol

lmao
fr though i hate to be so negative against a game i was so hyped for last year but everyone knows what happened
and im sorry, 1 map fix per season really isn't enough
I was hoping to be playing 2042 for potentially years straight, ended up lasting a week
For real lmao
i was hoping to be like "okay lmao i don't care" when IW revealed MWII because i'd be busy on BF2042 season 4-5 but here we are
Not halo lol . Halo is a different fanbase i think but i get itt . Everygame has 147 days left
you're right Halo fans gonna return to MCC and even Guardians
oh wait we already did :p
What, just because of MWII?
I actually was hoping for the change from the specialists but they arenât done yet . Theyâre gonna release it on season 2 bet . That was actually what people wanted
I think mwII wonât be as good as everyone is hyping it up to be
MP wont but DMZ will
It will be the best cod in years lol
You actually believe that will be the case after this year?
Thatâs what everyone says almost every year before a new cod comes out
i hope it's good but after 2042 and Halo i REALLY don't want to get hyped
but IW is IW and MW19 was my jam even though i think half of their design choices were garbage
certainly not vanguard
People still said it
i remember how no one wanted Vanguard to exist
Tho like you said 99% of people hate vanturd
vanguard is a clusterfuck lmao
Is anyone actually able to play a game of conquest on xbox at the moment?
is it just me, or is this shit still broken
Gen 5 or 4
xbone
If 4 itâs been fine not sure about 5
Should be fine
Well donât forget that it is a modern warfare title . Modern warfare games were always really good and is the only title that is holding cod alive . It has a brand new engine and is build up from ground and a og developer from treyarch said that it is the best cod that they have ever made
The vanguard beta was the first cod game Iâd played, and it was the most depressing experience
imagine if Cold War was good
Canât trust 1 og dev
i hope Treyarch doesn't fuck BO2024 up but i kinda expect them to do a BF2042 page by page kek
Zombies was decent and campaign was good multiplayerâŚ
âTrust me broâ
They arenât all gonna post a tweet like hey guys this is the best cod that we have ever made
@hexed mango ive had my super processed sustenance and am ready for combat.
multiplayer was boring, warzone was basically murdered by the CW integration
I know but you canât trust 1 guy
Campaign was sick , zombies was fun. Multiplayer was a cheap copy from mw19
altough tbh BR's are boring as fuck
Repeating what Iâm saying
aye aye
death stare
Jup but ye the new warzone 2 game will have a new engine and is also build from ground up so i will play it for sure
But warzone 2 will come out maybe a couple months after mw22
An engine built from the ground up doesnât sound all that enticing, from what we know thatâs essentially what happened with 2042 and look what happened
i'll try WZ2 day one but i don't think it will be THAT goodd
Well that was a big big mistake lol. U shouldâve played the mw19
if MWII is just MW19 but less grey, one extra bullet to kill and with DLC map design im in 100% lol
Cod as a whole just doesnât appeal to me, only reason Iâm interested in the next game is simply because itâs something new. Doubt Iâll play it though
Only modern warfare series is holding cod popular. Otherwise it ends like coldwar and vanguard forgettable titles
wasn't cold war huge
Kinda
just slightly less than MW19 but it's like number 2
- itâs a reboot from the modern warfare series . We have ghost back and the other og members from taskforce 141
Ghost is the đ
Wym by that?
it sold REALLY well
Doesnât mean much to me since I donât know who any of them are :|
I come here and wonder how this game has been going on?
Aiii . Just play mw2 remastered. I only played mw2 remastered and mw3 a bit a couple years ago
Tf is bo2024? Is Activision and EA copying off each other?
Fuck no
We don't need bullshit specialists in these game series
No one asked for them, literally no one
U donât understood the message. Theyâre gonna release a cod in 2024 and itâs a new black ops game
If Iâm desperate I might watch a video on them, but Iâm not buying them just for the campaign đŹ
They are not releasing a cod in 2023
Yeah cause they fucked up Cold War
oh
I thought that was the literal title
Coldwas was a fake black ops game. It felt rather like a cheap copy from mw19
Exactly that's what I was talking about
Campaign is a masterpiece itâs one of the best campaigns that Iâve played in any games . Most cod games has a really nice campaign.
U just should play all the modern warfare campaigns
treyarch's next game in 2024
Modern Warfare > Black ops series
probably a black ops entry rumoured to be similar in plot to 2042
I personally donât enjoy any campaigns, Iâve had bf4 since 2015 and not once played a single one of its missions
Unless the campaigns have unique levels and skilful gameplay to keep it interesting
I mean they could have kept going with Ghosts campaign
Ghosts is better than Cold War and Vanguard combined
Community hated it because they blindly followed an trend
What was it they did?
Game was destroyed by community
?
Ghosts was destroyed by the COD community.
How though
Did they like suggest something that most other players didnât like that changed it?
I recall a similar thing happening in bf1
Big maps, blurry ADS outside scope ranges and many campers they had in Ghosts.
Although I wasnât there at the gameâs launch to compare it. That exact thing happened
Years later, you got Vanguard which is 50x worse
As much as I enjoy this discussion, I'd prefer if this moved to either #general or #other-games
Please and thank you
From what chaps in another discord told me, the strafe speed in bf1 was pretty fast at launch, but the community outcry had them change it to a much slower speed
Competitively, it ruined the game. As well as some adjustments to sliding
Every cod always sells well because of the hype. Only the last cod . Where no one asked to go back to world war mode. It sold well, but it did not meet the expectations said activision. so they were disappointed about it
Coldwar sold good but it sucked like ass actually
Strafe speed in2042 is really slow from when I was testing stuff out today
Yeah some leaks were saying that it was going to be a bit like bf2042 that movement. Since the bf2042 movement is like cod lol . But its a old leak from a couple months ago. Leaks are not true mostly. It only builds a unnecessary hype
Except that one from Tom that outlined the specialist system months before the game came out
That should have been the first red flag for me, but I didnât see it at first
I remember that he was saying that bf2042 would have a massive destruction but that leak from him was not trueđŹ
đŻ
I would take a lower playercount for lots more destruction. 64player still feels just right 128 doesnt work.
I think it's one of those things that sound great on paper but don't really work that well. Tbh i'd say they did a pretty good job tho considering 128p
yea maybe with set classes it might flow a bit better
Tom is full of shit anyway
but 64p still is good for battlefield more players isnt always good
Hopefully, DICE implements NFT's in the summer update.
I think 128p gives a bit less close quarters etc... In most cases, considering map size and where activity is happening
played the boris only mode. other team got smoked and the game ended 26v4
can there at least be balancing mid game
Am I the only one on ps5 that when "connecting to online services" it fails a few time and other times I need to restart the game a fee time to get it to connect?
I'm LAN connected and have no other issues with online games or anything
i think the game might be having server issues today
Hopefully the k30 will get nerfed in season 1
Is the EA Play reward not out for Playstation yet? I played this week and didn't get anything.
I love bf2042
You lie
I'm on a series s and everytime I log in it takes forever and my queue is broken taking 2 and a half minutes to tell me I disconnect from ea and a hard reset didn't solve it
Your game is fucked dude
Obviously
Wait for a season 1 fix
no I like it
Bruh where's the launch fix

What ?
Season 1 launches in early June
I know i was making a joke that there should e been a fix for the launch of the game this game isn't ready for season one still having server issues can't even play it

Super hype for the 1 map and reworked guns theyre releasing
BrUtal ExpEcTatIoNs
which ironically everyone from all the shitty viral ea tweets is now gone
June is already here, the announcement better arrive fast
Its disgusting what we as fans are expected to be ok with lol bf4 literally had 3 , 4 map dlcs each with plenty of weapons 5 months post release ....
now were expected to be hype for 1 map a handful of reworked guns and some skins theyll surely try to sell you via a season pass
Just help me I can't launch my bf2042 it just shows some origin and closes right away just help
Steam?
If steam, origin games will show that it closes right away but just wait a few secs and I'll reopen
I hate this road maps they made, yeah I get it they need more time to think about content they gonna add in BF 2042 and more time fix the game too.
Love the username Not Vito Scarletta, fucking love the Mafia games
Finally someone who gets it
Lmao
Yes
Click play and wait
I tried from both steam and desktop shortcut
Thatâs the problem, launch it off origin
For how long
Open origin with admin
I don't have the origin shortcut
Search it up in the search bar
You have to download origin then
Again?
It should already be downloaded
I think I can find it in my files
Thatâs odd
Ya theyre acting like adding already made assests to previous maps is a huge deal that requires the most experienced devs to produce... The whole video they put out laying out the road map for the game is a big eff you to the community. 1 map per season is pure garbage when 2042s gold edition costs the same as bf4s premium and as i said had came out with 3 , 4 map dlcs 5 months post release
When downloading origin on steam you get the small minimal version but installing from your browser from the site is the full edition
I'll try to find it in my files if not I'll wait if not I'll reinstall origin
Aight
Thanks
Ah ok
Dice and battlefield just cant seem to handle live service whether its bf5 or bf2042
when it comes to premium dlc games we recieved nearly 100% more content
Is 2042 better then 5?
shortened barrel compact ammo
5 is better
No and yes depending but V is overall better
no
Did anyone else get the EA Play reward for this month?
V is better
Aight
theyâre both different
Lol if you look at the attention to detail videos via youtube bf5 defintiely wins that round but its all opinion i suppose
5 has better gunplay, destruction, maps, and flow
True that
Live service has nothing to do with this. Premium would just be a label change from Year 1 Pass
True
Nah bf1 had 10 more maps than bf5 due to profit incentive
you put out good dlcs people buy them
No, it was due to planning and competence
Yeah and then the battlefront 2 thing happened so they calmed it down for 5
A week ago, I sent a feedback on their website to discuss about the season 1 update, the content we may or may not get, and the possibility if they can make season 4, if the previous season update didn't work out as they expected. I even said about they forgot to add switch team option in BF 2042 on their feedback and a month ago before they add voice chat, I made a list what was missing in BF 2042 and the contents I was hoping they can add in the game.
Ofc it was but bf5 was concluded 1/20th of the way through its promised ww2 timeline bc they couldnt rake in enough money via microtransasctions
cool story bro
V Eastern Europe would of been really good
Exactly
Yeah true, and Normandy including carentan
Premium wouldn't have changed anything for 2042. The game would still be bugged, maps would still need to be reworked and they would probably be hit with a big lawsuit for not releasing planned maps.
And it would also divide the playerbase even more than it already is
Ea's terms of service says something like "we do not guarantee a playable game for some of our titles" so lawsuit ain't gonna do anything
no one would buy the dlcs
^ this
The only DLC I would buy is the vehicles, that needs to be worth it
Because the game was originally released and had plans on making money via microtransactions and skins rather than actual content people want like maps and weapons
DLC maps for mp games just doesn't work anymore. Restricting your player base between those who do have the maps and those who don't is just bad design nowadays
if they released dlcs the angry redditoids would shit their diapers
What if they did content like 4 and 1 dlcs but for free
I ended up making historical accurate loadouts in bf5 and wrote them down in case I wanted to use the skins
So.... live service done right?
Make joe
but you can't make money off that
Yes basically
at this point absolutely and theres no questioning that the industry has moved towards seasons rather than dlcs its just a matter of whether or not that was good for battlefield and the last 2 games with "free dlc" rather than profit driven content were failures
L MAO
You heard me
We all love Joe
Live service is definitely the way forward for BF, DICE just doesn't seem to understand how live service should be done
Not my country it's just
Conquest
Conquest
Conquest
I wouldn't mind if they add another AA tank known as the M-Shorad, IDK if they finish developing that vehicle.
Same here
Im just saying literally every past example ever of premium dlc vs live service when it came to content ended in premium having 10x more content for bf.
You are comparing premium with a bad example of live service
when your profit incentive is based upon what your consumers want via maps and weapons vs cosmetics you tend to make more money.....
You have to compare premium with what COD, Fortnite, etc are doing
LMAO SO TRUE
As i said I get industry standard is live service whether or not this has been a good thing for the bf games is definitely questionable considering 2042 gold costs the same as bf4 premium
The audio cut out so I didnt hear âangel does it againâ đ
It is a good thing, there is no question about that. But not under the current DICE/EA management.
EA always overprices their games though
Theres plenty of question of whether or not live service has been good for bf considering every live service game they released had less content than the premium
Even after almost 10 years
You can't play that bro
Even GTA is usually cheaper on steam now
Lol me too
2042 was not planned, Premium or Live Service wouldn't change a single thing. BF4 was planned, BF1 was planned.
True
So was bf5 and 2042... both did horrendously with live service
theres 0 example of premium not doing well with battlefield games
they simply switched due to industry standard
I'm done trying to argue with you. lol
What do you gain by arguing at all? 
Every past game they put out via live service has less content than their premium successors and thats just factual
Where is Joe ?
Joe is from a video game
Joe
Don't blame live service for that.
Yes Joe
I just watch the speculation and âgame badâ and I wanna see how DICE handles it with S1 and such
You shoot like my sister
Yes he is
DICE, you gonna learn how to make a comeback for BF 2042, like properly comeback. They made battlefront 2 a comeback except it was the loot box situation they got themselves into trouble, but unlike battlefront 2 situation 2042 is gonna need more than 2 years to be supported by the developers, there's so much things to add in this game and a lot fixing too.
Live service was plenty to blame considering they werent contractually obligated to release a set amount of content via your purchase. With bf4 premium you knew you were buying 5 , 4 plus map dlcs however 2042s gold edition just gave you a vague descripition of the seasons ahead of time which we now know are only going to include 1 map
i love it
Not me, m5 already looks shit with normal ammo but with SMG round it's worse
I'll be in both 2042 and BF4 maps, camping by myself with the AA tank, grilling BBQ until the update is announced
itâs really good
Use high power ammo and long barrel on the m5
trust me bro
I prefer DM4
How can I trust you, you play smg on AR 
You drive like my fucking grandma
I told you this ain't no fucking tank
"Marty shut up"
So Your gonna blow up the building sky high
Apparently we'll get a season 1 reveal on Monday
Proceeds to answer to Marty expectations by blowing up the building
Man id be so excited if they announced a 4 map dlc like a normal game
I would hate if the trailer was just a montage of gameplay with over exaggerated music
Lol how do you know ?
Who said Monday?
Tom henderson
You didn't play it did you

crab people , taste like crab , look like people đľ
Say what was toms big news about S1? Was it the same battlefield post that came out like a couple or so hours after the tweet?
I played the three games, they don't actually blow up the building in that mission of Mafia 2 and their attempt to kill the guy is a mess
1 map, 1 specialist, game fixes and improvements, 4 new guns
Good
Fucking shit ! You actually saw that episode ?
Did they teach you that in the army?!
Disgusting
4?
And 2 new vehicles
Every episode lol
Who is the best caracter through the 3 games
Then they found out the young boy has been killed in the parking and kill the mafia mob after car accident
Animation improvements and specialist tone overhaul wont be until either july or august
Yeah they killed Marty
My favourites are Tommy and Vito
They really needed to pull thru with this dlc to bring people back and for 1 map and 4 guns to come out is a blatant slap in the face
Idk, Vito is incredible but Clay is trying to be a good guy
Jhon donothan tho
Season 2 is slated for September but expect an october release
Me too, all episodes of all seasons lol, the crabmen thing had me dying first time I've seen it
Its honestly hard for me to understand how those 2 people sat infront of a camera laid out the bf2042 timeline and acted like nothing was wrong in comparison to past games
Do you have a link by any chance?
Not atm
They know but canât outright say it
Ok thanks anyways đ
My prediction on this shitshow is DICE is still actively figuring out how to work with the frostbite engine since most of them are new, plus they've basically had to rebuild the game from the ground up
4 guns ? There's no way
Right likely barebones content and acting like everythings ok till they can move on and sell us the next one
Itâs possible but not all the devs are new, there are tons of old ones too
Even if that were the case that doesnt make 1 map per season excusable its horrible lol. Im a huge bf fan and trying to have fun or even make content in this enviornment is terrible
4 guns? you kidding me 4 guns?
With reworked portal weapons sprinkled in
Portal maps are also being added to AOW for breakthrough and Conquest
Eh weâll see, it might be a really good map
That's probably fake, they were talking about 6-8 guns per season after release, we waited 6 months that's better not for 4 guns lol
Still no word on a SERVER BROWSER
Thereâs already one
Man what .... im used to 4 map dlcs evey 2 months not 1 map every 6 months?
Not for AOW
On portal we know
What battlefield game had 4 maps every 2 months?
7 months
bf4 had 3 , 4 map dlcs at this point in release
Every 3 months and well almost all since BF3
The original season 1 plan was 2 new maps, 1 new specialist, 8 new guns, 3 new vehicles, and more cosmetics
Whereâd you get this from?
Which in the end still released 10 more maps than bf5
Tom Henderson
4 maps per DLC, one DLC every 3 months and 5 DLC at end of development +3 free maps and some free weapons too
Huh no ?
Since it had a longer lifespan
That was the industry standard people should be accustom to
not 1 map every 6 months this is beyond excusable
Yes that was the good time
The new map is basically going to be a massive forest map. Unknown if all the trees will be destructable or not
But people justify it by saying ItS fReE
1 map for 6 months of waiting is really a shame
As i said when theres a profit incentive behind content people actually want like maps weapons and vehicles theyll tend to do alot better on microtransactions in comparison to skins and models .... but live service is industry standard so here we are with less content and more skins enjoy
Stop being brutal. Its free content
Yes saying premium pass used to split the playerbase, tbh I've never seen a game splitting the playerbase more than 2042 lol
Lmao i joke.
Exactly lmfao they literally got rid of breakthrough 128 inorder to funnel people into breakthrough 64 bc people were waiting hours to connect to a server rather than adding a server browser in which people can play on a 90 ping server in exchange for not having to wait an hour to connect to a server with a decent ping
DICE needs to learn the importance of first impression
A server browser for AOW is simply beyond DICE's capabilities
BruTal ExPeCtaTiOns
Im sure at the end of the road, 2042 will eventually be a good game
But its just such a fucking slog
they introduced empty soul less maps, now rework might make them better but still it wont leave the sour taste and wont be enough to increase the player base
As long as portal still exists I'm happy
but it will be too late for that
Yes at this point they are just crazy because that's just essential to get server browser
With 1 map per season and 5 seasons legally determined im almost positive this will go down as the bf with the least amount of content in history
they absolutely butchered the franchise with 2042
DICE is gonna need a master plan of marketting and attention grabbing if they want people to buy the next battlefield in 2024
I hit some good close quarters play last night... I was surprised. Must be part of the map changes.
Id bet money itll be bad company 3 so that they can once again nostaliga grab us like they did with the 2042 rendezook trailer
Idk man they did recover from battlefield hardline, I think they can pull off another Hail Mary with the next game
was cool, but then I went back and played 4
Hard line was free on xb1 3 months after release
Yeah they did us dirty with that trailer cuz the actual game wasn't like that
Theres an unconfirmed leak that DICE's creative team is closely watching the Ukraine war for the next battlefield game in terms of setting, mechanics, gameplay, and tone
Politics wont allow them to do that... you release a pro ukraine game all of russia wont buy it etc.. hence why they havent had china as a faction in a bf game in quite sometime
They lost all their good sense and don't listen to the community at all, it takes them 7 months to bring new content, I think they aren't recovering from that shit, 2042 could be the last BF we've seen if EA decides to just leave the franchise behind

Well thats the thing, EA in a closed meeting said they wouldnt mind Battlefield taking China as an antagonist again since anti-gaming laws in China have basically butchered the gaming market in China
Well they havent been in a bf game since 2013 so well see how that goes
I hadn't seen a thing that fake this week
Its funny bc 2042 doesnt even have anything to do with 2142 either
the final bf4 dlc teased 2142s titans being built in hangars and here we are without a titan gamemode 20 years into the lores future
its sad cuz theres an container in op outbreak that says something like opens till 2142 đŚ
Titan was a kick ass gamemode was like carrier assault on steroids and somehow this game doesnt have it
Or how about how the intro screen is on a carrier and we have yet to see a boat in anything but portal?
wait does repairing count as damage inflicted with gadgets?
Their development was halted after most world governments collapsed or went unstable in the events of 2042, then several decades later the progress had to be started all over again because they lost them to the Breakaway snowstorm

EA looking for a buyout is definitely something
I hope thereâs a map where US and RU take off from carriers and onboard MAVs to fight over an island
With two fallback points so nobody has to do DDay every time a team gets pushed
Nah you gotta spawn mid air in this game bc realism
I would love to see that but expectations are too high, there's no way we see such that lvl of inspiration from them
Yeh, itâll be 4 ordinary maps with a different levolution or weather event, which Iâm cool with. That type of thing would probably be a specific game mode
Iâm getting my inspiration from BFVs pacific maps on breakthrough, driving the LVT up to the beachheads and then coming under a ton of enemy fire is dope
good ol' days
The clips we aspire for with a compatible map in 2042, DICE 
the movement was good now its just slide jumping
Thatâs why I wish for 2042s movement to be revamped similar to V, honestly
Although Iâve seen some bunnies on that game too. Just keep us more weighted down to the ground is all I ask
slide needs to go
Why does the map look more detailed than 2042s lmfao
Everything in 2042 looks like a minimalistic apple store

movement diff
As a battlefield fan it really pains me.... All they had to do was build on past games but no they tried to change directions and give us some hero shooter with a battleroyale gamemode noone asked for
All in the name of industry standard and $....
I hear ya
we live in dark times now
You made me want to reinstall 4 now
Finna get back into locker and metro again
Then you have the morons who say its all nostalgia then when you go back to play bf4 or 3 its just as you remembered
they just lost their identity, everyone was trying to be battlefield back then and now battlefield is trying to be apex legends + Cod MW
i still play it, its still pure gold
Exactly the issue for sure
Iâve even thought that before. Really wonder why they didnât expand on V, which you can tell expanded upon 1
That in a modern theme wouldâve been exactly as we all thought this was gonna be before it came out
And we see how chasing a bag got them
Itâs like they donât know we play battlefield for battlefield. Not for anything else
i mean it feels like they never played a bf lmao
I get the business model of if it works for them surely we can get it to work for us. But ghost recon frontline and now 2042 should really be telling developers what they should and should not be doing
Right they tried firestorm with bf5 (which i actually enjoyed alot) it failed miserably they failed to learn from their mistake and created hazardzone a gamemode in which was included in the main trailer for this game
Its pretty straightforward what bf fans want and it isnt battleroyale and skin microtransactions
Hazard zone is more fun than people give it credit for
The only problem is that they make you wait too long to load into a match, then one person out of 16 leaves and the timer restarts
And vehicles are just op in hazard zone
I paid $50 for a game Iâm not paying more for shit
Get a jeep and you win 9/10 times
Eh, you can one shot the recon truck with a good rocket
I have fun in hazard zone as well but when you think about the amount of effort that couldve been put into aow or other gamemodes that went into the failure hazard zone is its kinda sad
They just didnt learn from their initial mistake which was firestorm
Itâs great if you can get people to pay for mtx to support you and your product, not so much if theyâre doing it just to get decent skins so their immersion isnât totally skewered because both teams look the exact same for the most part
I enjoy hazard zone I just wouldâve rather had a campaign
A single player one
that too
Or even the development of the useless tornados
A campaign like the war stories centered around the events prior to 2042 wouldâve been super interesting itâs more so just lore you read about but it wouldâve been more successful than none Iâd suppose
Tornados are extremely fun, the only problem. They rarely happen
So much wasted potential if theyâd only made the chances 1/3 games not 1/10
i think making the specialists the main caracters in that type of campaign would of made a very nice backstory
But Iâm thinking of that concept off the basis 2042 was designed with 1 and V in mind to base itself off of which we know 2042 took an entirely different route towards
ya theres nothing more that i like then to have all 32 defensive players on breakthrough whisked off a sight by a tornado they had no control over
Hell maybe people would find more reason to relate to the specialists as well
I still like it because it forces people to reposition and campers gotta move
yeah really good way to introduce them
Imo the best way to go about specialists wouldve been to do it bf1 trench raider kit style or bf4s .50 cal pick ups
Thatâs true but in execution losing an objective to funny tornado and then subsequently being steamrolled because your team maybe had a solid defense is bad
lemme pick up a grappling hook not spawn with it
was there any confirmed info about when we will be shown what's coming with season 1 ? i want to say tuesday
The only thing I like about specialists is that I get revived most every time I get downed in large scale combat, adding onto the teamwork factor
Because medics can have any gun they choose
The problem is that itâs hard to balance all of them at once
And the immersion just dies in a hole
Specialists just arent battlefield and thats all there is to it... the franchise isnt meant to be a heroshooter
main issue is the freedom of gadgets breaks battlefields rock paper scissors formula

