battlefield-2042

[crimson rapids]

I did really enjoy BF1 and BF5, loved the campaign and multiplayer. \

[hidden sand]

Maybe I'm just lucky, but I don't think I've ever actually encountered a tank sitting at the back of the map camping

Infantry yes, but not vehicles

[edgy oriole]

you mad lucky. i get it every single game.

[crimson rapids]

I miss that so much lol, I was a peak sniper back then lol. BF3 helped me discover what bullet drop was

[velvet sand]

I may have spent the entire match as Casper, camping our spawn, but you shoulda seen that one 800m kill I got. Totally worth me doing literally nothing else the whole round. 10/10 teamplay

[edgy oriole]

i have to beg in chat for vehicles to move up bc games where you cant go anywhere because no support is what makes people quit this game.

[hidden sand]

At least those people aren't detrimental to the round though, unless there's many of them
But usually that's not the case

[crimson rapids]

Jihadi jeep was the simple solution lol

[shell ermine]

Being a tanker in 2042 is impossible. Far too many ways to kill a tank with the increased players if you don't play super defensively you get deleted quickly

[edgy oriole]

honestly i love c5 drone so much so i can take out the spawn vehicle campers. wish i could do it to my own team sometimes.

[hidden sand]

Taking out vehicles has always been easy for me so I've never really related to the complaints a lot of people have
I don't feel like vehicles have ever been truly op in the frostbite era of BF, honestly

[crimson rapids]

If you have a play on World of Tanks youll figure out how to angle your tank to avoid getting killed as easy

[hidden sand]

BF2 had ridiculously op jets though lol
But it wasn't really because of their power, it was the lack of AA

[shell ermine]

BFV did it better with indirect shots and glancing blows making infantry need to expose themselves to do real damage

[hidden sand]

The dmg models on vehicles in BFV 👌

DICE did it so right in BFV

[crimson rapids]

Thats the only thing I wished they bought along into 2042

[velvet sand]

Still waiting for vehicle assists to be a thing so we don't get lame "part damage" for doing 90% of the damage to a full transport : |

[crimson rapids]

Maybe one day they'll do that, 2042 has so much potential but they are letting it die

[hidden sand]

We'll never get any proper improvements to the vehicle side of things in this game

[shell ermine]

But now you get 15 people on an objective, all with rockets or C5, airborne cannons to hit you out of your line of fire, helicopters, etc.

[karmic cobalt]

This is what killed me trying to level up the jets man, getting kills stolen or them jumping when they’re one-hit from the next strafe…

[hidden sand]

If the complaints aren't loud enough, DICE will gladly ignore the rest of their poor game design

[velvet sand]

They'd have to pull Criterion off their current project again prob, lol.

[grizzled whale]

we dont need improvements to vehicles, aside from buffing the wildcat with a full auto unlimited ammo 57mm cannon

[tranquil turtle]

The wildcat cannons are so ass

[edgy oriole]

my favourite thing is "disabling" a bolte and while they are driving away slowly they gain their speed back before im done reloading the m5.

[karmic cobalt]

No i think the planes definitely need to be reworked

[shell ermine]

I don't even bother spawning as tanks anymore because it's just not worth it

[crimson rapids]

I was glad they optimised the game better, I bought it in December and it was unplayable with it lagging badly, it made me feel like my computer had an i3 and 750ti in it again

[hidden sand]

What? Yes we do lol
Vehicles are horribly implemented in this game. Helo physics are the worst they've been, Jets too.
The equipment customization is 1 viable load-out only again, like BF4, which is incredibly boring.

[grizzled whale]

what did it have in it

[edgy oriole]

i also love doing 5 damage to a tank with the m5 and they fully repair by the time i reload my m5.

[tranquil turtle]

Use c4

[hidden sand]

Ground vehicles lost the nuanced dmg models they had in BFV, as well

[karmic cobalt]

Wym? You mean to say you’ve never seen a heli fly upside down in real life before?

[crimson rapids]

Currently running an RTX3070, Ryzen 7 2700X and 32gb Corsair Vengeance PRO 3600MHz

[hidden sand]

Tbh if you think vehicles don't need improvement it's more likely you don't care about vehicles to begin with

[edgy oriole]

I also love throwing c5 2 feet infront of me. I cant figure out how people do long throws with it. i gotta be kissing the object for it to stick to it.

[velvet sand]

5lb bricks of C5 are super heavy and our specialists don't lift weights, yo.

[crimson rapids]

I can deal with vehicles the way they are thats not a problem I just want newer maps as these are getting tiring

[hidden sand]

Huh, the repair tool is weak though? It takes a while to repair in this game tbh

[tranquil turtle]

For me it seemed the higher you throw them the farther they go

[hidden sand]

Tanks are so weak though so if you're struggling at tanking them out, sounds like a skill issue

[edgy oriole]

I repair stupid fast with my repair tool. if im chilling in a helo ill repair half to full health in 1 burst. *when it doesnt bug out.

[shell ermine]

Attrition was a good system

[grizzled whale]

upgrade that cpu bro

[tranquil turtle]

I have never seen anyone use a repair tool since bf1

[crimson rapids]

I will at some point but for now its solid and for what ive been running its not struggled at all but imma get a 5600X at some point

[grizzled whale]

it bottlenecks your gpu

[tranquil turtle]

I will never understand why they went with that self repair bullshit over having a teammate repair, which actually has some sort of, you know, teamwork involved

[grizzled whale]

and heavily impacts your performance on 2042

[velvet sand]

It feels like 2042 was designed with a more solo-focus vs. team-focus in mind.

[edgy oriole]

ill try it today if i decide to get on. maybe im looking too low.

[hidden sand]

If I'm getting good frames, but the game feels laggy, is that a bottleneck?

[tranquil turtle]

Except every game since bf1 had the self repair

[crimson rapids]

Not having any issues currently with it at the moment, its running solid on max, think im getting it in the next few weeks\

[tranquil turtle]

2042 just phased out teamwork even further

[hidden sand]

Tbf relying on teammates to repair is not gonna work, and there's not much you can do to improve it

[edgy oriole]

I liked bfv fix to teammates not wanting to do their role. being able to grab ammo from them if they wont give any. thats big brain

[hidden sand]

BFV improved teamplay the best imo
It made giving out meds and ammo super satisfying, along with reviving

[edgy oriole]

well thats the thing nobody did. thats why they added the grab feature

[hidden sand]

I don't think I've had a single match in BFV where I'm revived less than 6 to 10 times

Idk, I've always been handed ammo and meds regularly in BFV

[tranquil turtle]

Still has that dumb pouch system. Low on health? Just drop a medical pouch at your feet

In bf3 you had to find cover and drop a medical bag

[shell ermine]

Healing from a pouch was slow and would be interrupted by any damage

[hidden sand]

Idk I think the pouch is better for flow of the gameplay personally

[hexed mango]

[shell ermine]

I'm so annoyed they added full auto-regen for players and vehicles back with 2042

[tranquil turtle]

It's too fast

[hidden sand]

for vehicles I think it's fine but I do find myself preferring the way bfv did infantry health

[hearty flame]

Ya the medpack and attrition was dices attempt to slow down pacing. I think the medpack worked fine but the first iteration of attrition with only 3 primary mags and 6 secondary was terrible

[shell ermine]

I like the BFV vehicle health system because even if you couldn't kill a vehicle you could force a retreat and take it out of the fight for a bit

[hearty flame]

Ya and if you were were good you could cripple it even if you couldn't kill it

[hidden sand]

How it is now is good, imo
Gives you a full stack of ammo and a medical pouch, but after that you need to rely on teammates or stations
Which worked really well in my experience

[vast hatch]

Anyone got a fix for when you load into a server and the screen just goes black? Other than just restarting the client?

[hearty flame]

I think that the original attrition could've worked out they just flipped the ammo count. Why they thought it'd be a good idea to only give players 3 primary mags I have no idea

[hidden sand]

Restarting is the only fix rn
I'm also getting the bug where the map loads in, but the spawn menu UI never appears lol
This was a bug that was present in the playtest

I get bugfixing isn't always easy but I do expect a bug from September of last year to be fixed by now tbh

[vast hatch]

Same... And thank you 🙂

[velvet sand]

Plan an anniversary celebration for the bug, it'll be a year old in the blink of an eye : 3

[hidden sand]

Oh wait LOL It was august, I misremembered

[vast hatch]

Is that update with the things that were talked about in that video with the devs out btw? Or is that like a planned update? 🙂

[hidden sand]

Planned updates

[vast hatch]

Ah good 😄

Crossing my fingers that the updates will fix the bug 😄

And mabye add a server browser 👀

[velvet sand]

Don't get your hopes up, that seems unlikely in general.

[vast hatch]

Yea i know but... A moose can hope

[velvet sand]

They've responded a few times to the hundreds/thousands of posts about in the forums but only really said, "We hear the feedback and have nothing else to share."

[hidden sand]

Server Browser is almost guaranteed to not happen, but I guess you never know

[hearty flame]

They've been hearing the feedback for years but hey if people eat it up they'll eat it up

[vast hatch]

I mean... I would just like to choose a server that is full, so i can wait to get into a game that is gonna start and be fun when i get in, instead of wating for a sever to fill... I mean... BF5 had a server browser like...

[hearty flame]

Bfv has persistant lobbies and 2042 doesn't

[hidden sand]

20 years of feedback yet the most basic things aren't implemented
Good ol DICE lol

[shell ermine]

Just don't spend a dime, keep up the bad word of mouth, then if season 1 doesn't bring back the amount of players they want and doesn't bring in the revenue EA wants then it really gets... dicey for them.

[vast hatch]

Wait for real?

[mental delta]

They didn't talk about it at all lol, almost pretending it never existed in any battlefield games, they think we are fools

[karmic cobalt]

Well tbf we kinda are

[mental delta]

Yes how dare we play that game lol

[frosty nimbus]

So anyone a idea why BF2042 Drops youre streaming FPS to hell for no reason??

[vast hatch]

nah have same issue

[karmic cobalt]

Battlefield things

[grizzled whale]

every game has an impact on your fps when streaming?

[shell ermine]

The console community was really pissed with BC1, 1943, and BC2 being so dumbed down, not having a server browser and more, because the first console Battlefield game, Battlefield 2 Modern Combat, had a server browser, server renting, the whole PC experience

Back on the PS2 and original Xbox

[vast hatch]

Yea but it really goes down to like 1-14 fps sometimes, dunno if its because it uses a crazy amout of cpu or whatever but it really does tank, can only imagine if your streaming

[grizzled whale]

2042 is INSANELY cpu dependant

i went up ~50 fps when i upgraded my cpu

[vast hatch]

Thing is i played bf5 like... few days ago, not even close to the same kinda troubles

[mental delta]

Lol battlefield games not having server browser, lobbies and map rotation is actually weird af

[hidden sand]

Because the game is incredibly poorly optimized

[hearty flame]

It's why you're booted back to the main lobby looking for another match after each one

[mental delta]

How can you play battlefield game always on the same map

[hidden sand]

Me @ BF4 servers on ps4

[vast hatch]

Man this is just killing my mood for playing bf2042 😦

[shell ermine]

I remember there being huge threads on the old EAUK forums demanding that DICE put a server browser on the console version of Battlefield 3 after seeing the PC version of BC2 have a server browser

[mental delta]

Yesterday I had 5 times renewal in a row, I had to leave that game or I would have become crazy

[vast hatch]

So many problems that seem fixable but just... no attention from the devs

[shell ermine]

And if I remember correctly the Back to Karkand map pack launched with cut down 3 flag tiny versions of the maps and there was enough community outrage to get DICE to give us larger 5 flag versions

[mental delta]

I don't understand that type of server, all the "Locker 24/24" and "Golmud 24/24" are bullshit

[hidden sand]

"24/7 Golmud!"
pls let me play sunken dragon

Sunken Dragon might be my fav map in BF4 tbh

[mental delta]

And it actually got it, I always had server browser on this game on ps3

[karmic cobalt]

Golmud isn’t even that good for vehicles man… it’s in the same vein as bfV Panzerstorm, just wildly overrated and everyone thinks it’s the only vehicle map or something

[hidden sand]

Golmud is also very aesthetically unpleasant

[mental delta]

People who play that everytime they launch their game are complete weirdos, it's like paying your game for 1% of it and tbh idk how the fuck they don't get bored lol

[mental delta]

One of the worst looking map in BF4 but I'll get killed for saying that

[hidden sand]

Dragons Teeth had the best color palettes for maps tbh

[shell ermine]

Like I just don't understand DICE. We had the full experience with BF2 Modern Combat, big maps with more than 3 flags, then BC1 comes around, cuts a ton of features (including not even having Conquest for months!), 1943 comes out with these full sized 5 flag maps, then BC2 comes out with these shitty 3 flag Conquest maps and no server browser. Then BF3 gives us a server browser but a ton of the maps are cut down nonsense (only a few, Caspian Border being one, were full sized).

[mental delta]

The landscapes are the only thing which is okay, but flags are shit, design is shit, and the map is too large

[mental delta]

Yes I loved it, and some maps were actually in a pretty dark ton

[shell ermine]

Finally with BF4 the experience is at parity, but they doubled down on the virtual rental server nonsense instead of giving us a real RSP

Until, the one big issue with BFV, no RSP at all

[hidden sand]

To them, the console market was very casual and they assumed they needed to cut back because they didn't believe players would understand/get PC features.
It's a silly assumption to make knowing todays Battlefield, but that was the early days of trying to appeal to cod players.

[mental delta]

Wait if BC2 hadn't conquest mode what people were playing to ?

[shell ermine]

Somewhere along the line developers thought console players were clueless.

Back on the PS2 and original Xbox pretty much every MP game had a server browser, had rental servers, some even had mod support

[hidden sand]

I mean it's not just consoles that faced the consequences of trying to streamline things for casual players.
Mod support and trusting the player in gen used to be the norm, now it's been far more restrictive since.

[shell ermine]

Star Wars Battlefront 1 and 2, BF2 Modern Combat, SOCOM 1-3/Combined Assault, Killzone, Call of Duty 2 Big Red One and Call of Duty 3, to name a few with server browsers and server renting (at least SWBF1 and 2 and BF2MC)

[shell ermine]

Bad Company 2 had Conquest at launch, but it sucked. Bad Company 1 only had Rush at launch.

[hidden sand]

BC2 conquest was awful on both pc and console

The maps were way too big for the playercounts

[mental delta]

Like rush was the only gamemode ?

[shell ermine]

Yes

[mental delta]

It's a joke ?

[shell ermine]

Bad Company 1 was a Frostbite testbed that DICE sold as a game

[mental delta]

No TDM, no SDM ?

[shell ermine]

Nope

[mental delta]

Really

[shell ermine]

Literally only Rush until Conquest was added in a patch a few months after launch

[mental delta]

I didn't know that

[low timber]

Only rush, conquest, conquest assault and double conquest assault.

[mental delta]

Double conquest assault ?

[shell ermine]

Neither team has an uncap

[low timber]

same as conquest assault buth both teams can loose their HQ

[hidden sand]

Rush was the only good gamemode in both BC games imo

[mental delta]

Assault conquest is a pretty good mode to be honest

[shell ermine]

Its funny how Breakthrough is basically Conquest Assault Lines

[low timber]

tbh, i never played anything else but Rush in BC1 as i didn't know there were other modes

[shell ermine]

There used to be a ton of variants of Conquest. Now we are lucky if we get Conquest Assault

[hidden sand]

Tbf it's tricky because the less modes there are the better in terms of splitting the playerbase, but it's also great to have variety

[chilly oak]

when trailer

[hidden sand]

Like BF4 had way too many gamemodes, same with bf3

Imo a nice balance would be
Conquest & Conquest Assault, in the same playlist
Breakthrough
CTF
TDM
Rush

CTF needs to return :(

[low timber]

what about defuse? the BF Search and Destroy? sure i only played once in BF4 but did play it a bit more during CoD MW2

[mental delta]

In 2042 that would just be some dumbass piloting quad while owning the flag all around the map to troll enemy team lol, not sure it's a good idea

[mental delta]

I didn't like it to be honest, I didn't like it in r6 so I couldn't like it in BF

[river trench]

I know its impossible but what if s1 is tomorrow 💀

[low timber]

Well, that would be early June

[river trench]

Yes the real meaning of "early"

[shell ermine]

The different Conquest variants would all be under the umbrella of Conquest so it wouldn't split the playerbase

[hardy leaf]

season 1 teaser when?

[mental delta]

Tomorrow

[hidden sand]

Yeah that's true

[low timber]

I didn't really like how in BF3 back to Karkand DLC Gulf of Oman was randomly conquest and randomly conquest assault.

They did change it.

Like i couldn't use the DLC locked RU IFV because it wasn't in the conquest version it almost always assigned me to.

[hidden sand]

Speaking of that, DLC assignments have not aged well in BF3, 4, and 1 lol

I wonder if you could reach out to EA support and request things you literally cannot unlock anymore be added to your account

Given you've already paid for the content

[shell ermine]

You know what's funny that I don't think people really noticed, most of the buildings in BFV are basically remakes of the buildings in 1942. The church is the same layout as 1942 for example, so is the windmill

[hidden sand]

The windmill is from BF1 though

I think that's just coincidence

[shell ermine]

Then it was a remake there too

[hidden sand]

But, related to this, a lot the art staff talked about the struggles of developing the style of BFV
That there was a lot of clashing in opinions on the direction it should take

[arctic grove]

[drowsy sapphire]

So season one will bring that gamemode where it’s the little rovers against 1 tank, and the squad vs German soldiers and bring everything promised for release

[hidden sand]

It was meant to be way more like BF1 originally iirc

[arctic grove]

is it good yet

[drowsy sapphire]

It better or else all that was a lie

[hidden sand]

Maybe it was meant to be connected to 1942 originally lol

A lot of the BFV concept work is far more gritty than the game turned out to be, too

[shell ermine]

The funny thing is now with Portal there is a specific building, the square single story office building, that has been in Battlefield unchanged since 2008

[arctic grove]

Yeah they are difficult, but i could help you. i've managed to snag alot of them despite bf4 being old when i undertook this insane task. i even managed to get the capture the flag assignment and the camo for it not long ago.

[hidden sand]

The BC building?

[tall frigate]

Same as in the Black Bess campaign?

[shell ermine]

The one at the first M-Com/US Conquest HQ location on Arica Harbor Rush

Square, two skylights, ladder to the roof, small square atrium attached to it

The one in the center.
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/battlefield/images/c/c9/Arica_Harbor_Border_Control.png/revision/latest?cb=20130514003450

[hoary gate]

are they gonna add new guns to the new update or sum

[clear quail]

maybe

[radiant prism]

Yes

Season 1 is confirmed to have new weapons

[lunar berry]

Season 1 needs to be surprisingly amazing. Feel like we're getting bare minimum.

[wide violet]

its cause you are

remember the game was ahead of schedule /s

[radiant prism]

I don’t get why people come into this channel just to bitch

Typical redditors smh

[karmic cobalt]

No fun allowed, only hate game 😡

[radiant prism]

Like if you don’t care about the game good for you, fuck off and let people enjoy shit lol

[karmic cobalt]

Tbf people have a right to complain and it’s healthy for change but it’s a little excessive for a discord server about the game lol

[velvet sand]

People want to vent their frustrations, and an "official" discord is a good avenue to vent some frustrations.

[radiant prism]

Yeah dont get me wrong, there’s a difference between constructive criticism and just blindly reposting the same 3 lines out of context

[hidden sand]

Was there something here that's since been deleted? Who's bitching lol

[olive lake]

I just want this game to be good honestly. Just annoying when the higher ups don't want to listen to valid feedback

Even though they've provided us with social media, forums and at this point now surveys too

Like despite ALL the bugs, performance issues and flawed designs, I'd seriously shrug all that off if they didn't lie about how progression would work

Gating progression and content behind what's already a £50+ paywall to just play the game isn't good.

[hidden sand]

I'm just sayin, they're not going to grant full xp with bots as lame as it is
They're 100% going to sell xp boosts in season 1

[olive lake]

If they do end up doing that, gonna try and aim for a refund for the reason being behind it being not what was promised

Like 8 months or so of being exceedingly patient and asking for them to give us what we paid for is reasonable.

[grizzled whale]

how many times do we have to tell you

they didnt lie, they changed it because it was abused

[olive lake]

The fact you have other games like Battlefront 2 and PvZ using the Frostbite engine and both providing progression with AI despite being PvP to the core, you'd think they'd have followed their example

[grizzled whale]

and you cal literally get everything aside from T1 skins and weeklies

[hidden sand]

? No they lied lol
They literally said no matter how you play you will gain xp and then took it away not even 24 hours after early access launch

[grizzled whale]

ive said it before, if you would have spent the time you have been complaining about bot progression by actually playing and getting better, you wouldnt need bot progression

[olive lake]

Don't bother with him. He'll gatekeep his whole life away and not allow people to enjoy the game the way they want to

[grizzled whale]

took over a week

[hidden sand]

It's not about getting better. It's about how people want to play.

[fallen yarrow]

Can't wait for them to take away multiplayer because some people are cheating

[olive lake]

And not accept that a good bit of people bought the game for the sole purpose of playing PVE

[grizzled whale]

i dont care about how you enjoy the game, it needs to be balanced

1200 bot kills takes 2-3 hours

[hidden sand]

It's not unbalanced by people progressing via bots though?

[grizzled whale]

1200 player kills takes A LOT MORE

Id be fine with progression against bots as long as its relative to the xp you would get against players

[hidden sand]

"I don't care how you enjoy the game"
Is worried about accomplishments in a game

[arctic grove]

[olive lake]

That's a ass backwards statement

[hidden sand]

If you don't care then people progressing differently would not bother you. You inherently care by bringing up the "1200 player kills takes A LOT MORE" lol

[grizzled whale]

I grinded my ass off to get (nearly) all weapons T1, how would it be fair if someone can get the same thing by shooting mindless bots that stand still when you shoot in their general direction for a couple hours?

[fallen yarrow]

That's a you problem.

[hidden sand]

But you said you don't care how people play?

[grizzled whale]

theres 2 options for bot progression

[arctic grove]

Bruh

[fallen yarrow]

Be happy with your own progression. Why do you care about how other people are progressing?

[olive lake]

So so so much this

[fallen yarrow]

It's not like T1 is a measure of skill by any means

[olive lake]

This whole culture of caring about how others play and declining them has to die.

[hidden sand]

PVE used to be the standard for Battlefield, no reason to close off that portion of the community from progressing when it's finally returned

[olive lake]

PvE used to be a standard for many PvP games in their early roots and even some to this day still endorse it. Like Quake Champions.

[grizzled whale]

1. Xp relative to full pvp xp (less xp per kill, more kills needed for challenges etc.)
2. Seperate progression between PVP and PVE, if you "only bought the game for PVE content" then you wouldnt mind that right?

[fallen yarrow]

If anyone has a problem with people progressing/unlocking stuff through PvE...they should have brought up the issue with DICE before the game was released

[hidden sand]

Separate progression would be fine, as long it provides the same things MP does.

[olive lake]

Agreed. People have literally provided ways to make PvE progression non exploitable.

[fallen yarrow]

1. Is fine, but until DICE implements it...it should be full progression

[grizzled whale]

If you want to get the exact same rewards as full PVP gameplay by shooting brainded bots then yes, i dont and wont agree with you

[olive lake]

Instanced progression for one as you said or AOW Solo/Co-op staying uncapped because you can't exploit it that easily or AI being enabled in Portal so long as nothing else is altered like rules editor or logic editor

[hidden sand]

? You just suggested separate progression and now you disagree with it?

[grizzled whale]

read it again

[grizzled whale]

You can very much exploit solo/co-op

[hidden sand]

? You're saying the rewards shouldn't be the same

[olive lake]

As I said, don't bother. They are stubborn and don't like people casually enjoying the game

[hidden sand]

If they were separate, the rewards would naturally be the same?
SP Progression just wouldn't affect MP progression

[olive lake]

Can't reason with PvP elitists who can't accept those who prefer PvE

[grizzled whale]

"If you want to get the exact same rewards as full PVP gameplay"
Its not separate if its the exact same reward

[grizzled whale]

You are chosing to think that way, but all you want is to get the same reward for less effort and refuse to admit other peoples valid points

[white geyser]

That’s why I want battlefield to add PvE, because I don’t want to deal with any player who might be cheating and I just want to chill and play with a friend

[hidden sand]

It is...
If MP and SP progression were separate, they would progress separately of each other, but provide the same content...

[grizzled whale]

literally all you ever do is "when progression" and when someone says anything you dont like you go "eww pvp elitist bad reeee"

[fallen yarrow]

Yeah, a select few are giving the rest of the PvP players a bad name. They're probably not even good at PvP...but still adamant on their 'achievement' of spending countless hours sitting in a bush with their turret so that they could get their T1 Boris the right way.

[hidden sand]

I'm kinda shocked I needed to explain that lol

[olive lake]

Exactly. And a lot of the time it always feels like one sided matches anyways and everyone always sweating like every match is their last. That's just not my atmosphere

[arctic grove]

I honestly wouldnt care if they let everyone instantly unlock all the bf1 and bf4 assignments that i spent hundreds of hours on.

[olive lake]

Besides, bots KEEP the GAME ALIVE

[grizzled whale]

You should be shocked that you dont understand what i said

[hidden sand]

Modding + PVE

[olive lake]

When all the players move on to the next game, bots will keep the game's pulse going

[hidden sand]

I perfectly understand. You're saying it's not separate if they give the same thing lol.

[olive lake]

BF3 literally has a mod with bots right now and the game is running fine!

[fallen yarrow]

This is already happening in most regions outside of US-East and EU

[grizzled whale]

im saying they shouldnt get the same thing

[grizzled whale]

how do you know how many bots there are if you only play pve

[hidden sand]

If they progressed separately of each other, why does it matter if they reward the same thing?

[grizzled whale]

sigh

[olive lake]

I'll be brutally honest with you. Its more than a select few these days...Its a majority and its sad

And by that I mean every game. Not just here.

[grizzled whale]

Because the skin in MP is seperate from the skin in SP

[olive lake]

Its honestly sad.

[white geyser]

DICE needs to fix/rework solo/co-op, I want the actual co-op (PvE) that’s online matchmaking and you and your friends and grind together much faster.

[grizzled whale]

aka, not the exact same thing

[fallen yarrow]

I can assure you, majority of the PvP players do not care. Only the vocal minority do. I can even doubly assure that MOST of the good PvP player literally do not give a fuck what skin you're using and how you unlocked it.

[olive lake]

I wholeheartedly agree. Private and public solo/co-op instances with AI or friends or randos being squadmates and you're against AI. These AI are supposedly supposed to evolve with the players that play with them

[spiral island]

pve grind games has a huge audience, i'd like to see grind pve in battlefield tbh

[olive lake]

I wish I could agree but I've run into so many awful people who are so intent on not letting others have fun the way they want to

[grizzled whale]

@olive lake ive asked this before but you never answered

[olive lake]

A lot of games need to bring this in. Dead by Daylight is slowly on that path but still not quite there yet.

[grizzled whale]

How is PVE only fun when you get full progression?

[hidden sand]

You weren't exactly clear on what you meant. Yeah, they would be different in the fact that ones an SP skin and the other is an MP skin, but that's kinda irrelevant?
Not sure what the point of bringing it up is.

[grizzled whale]

Im genuenly curious why you think that, because you can LITERALLY get everything a pvp player can aside from some skins

[olive lake]

Making separate rewards for PVE and PvP is kinda stupid. Not like you'll ever see a PvE player in PvP anyways

[fallen yarrow]

@grizzled whale what region do you play in?

[spiral island]

dbd is sort of a grind game, i have few friends who play it for years cuz its sort of grind

[grizzled whale]

EU

[radiant prism]

Skins that are distinctly meant to be a sign of accomplishment against players, which isn’t the same when DICE has explicitly stated that bots were never meant to be a replacement for players, simply a placeholder

[olive lake]

I too once played it for a year or two then the community got worse and I've just stopped. The mobile has it down. So should the PC version with AI.

[grizzled whale]

are we ever gonna get an answer from max on my question?

[fallen yarrow]

You're lucky your region is populated and you can actually get into PvP matches. What about people who literally can't find servers to play the game? Are they not allowed to unlock stuff because their region is dead?

[hidden sand]

You're kind of wrong about that, because they explicitly stated no matter how you play you can progress the way you would regularly. Bots weren't just placeholders, otherwise PVE options wouldn't have been a thing.

[grizzled whale]

Find out on next weeks episode of dragon ball Z

[olive lake]

They did say the progression system would be universal. And it should be that way.

[mental delta]

Let's do some bets, when do you think season 1 launch date will be announced ?

[spiral island]

they said june so june
i assume during first week of june

[radiant prism]

Not when it comes to skins though…those skins are meant to be a sign of prowess in PvP. Killing a bunch of bots defeats that point, when DICE has said they’re not meant to be on the same level as players

[grizzled whale]

its a shame that some regions are dead, there should be something for that, but that something is not full bot progression

[fallen yarrow]

Also, please don't use T1 skin as "a sign of accomplishment against players", it makes you look really dumb.

[mental delta]

I was hoping for a precise date mate

[grizzled whale]

can someone relay my question to max? hes blocked me and seems to selectively read my messages

[hidden sand]

I mean that's not what they said though. You're putting your own opinion on it.

[spiral island]

players: date pls
dice: yes

[grizzled whale]

How is PVE only fun when you get full progression?
Im genuenly curious why you think that, because you can LITERALLY get everything a pvp player can aside from some skins

[olive lake]

You're looking at supposedly June 16th

According to rumors at least.

[radiant prism]

I’m not saying it’s some legendary gaming achievement reserved for the top echelons of gamerkind or anything

[hidden sand]

Afaik you can't unlock weapons and vehicles due to the low xp gain.
It would be a ridiculous grind.

[mental delta]

As they said it would be early june they will probably release it the 25th of june

[mental delta]

Where did you see that M.Fox ?

[olive lake]

In my twitter feed.

As for if its guaranteed or not, got no clue.

[grizzled whale]

If thats true then i can understand, not to the point of agreeing but still

[mental delta]

I hope they make an announcement soon

[spiral island]

its kinda stupid. i'd use t1 skin only if i like it. apparently i dont really like them, they look meh. im still gona use t4 skin on falck cuz it looks cool than some t1 that looks quite silly. if there's some good t1 skins, then yes i'd use it. i dont understand people who wants to look cooler than others

[grizzled whale]

thats a solid argument on it

[olive lake]

Let's face it. That's a pretty big if

[hidden sand]

It's 300 xp per minute cap. Yeah you're not unlocking anything with that lol.

[fallen yarrow]

I just don't get why people are hell bent on restricting it to PvP only. Like spotting 8000 people as Casper or 4000 something as Rao or the Boris turret 60k damage achievement. These are pretty much AFK achievements with absolutely 0 skill involved. Literally no reason to restrict to the PvP vs PvE

[grizzled whale]

Something that max has NEVER done, all he ever does is complain, but never actually back up why

[olive lake]

150 XP per minute in AOW Solo/Co-op actually

[mental delta]

Well 16th of june is a Thursday and it's not really early june

[grizzled whale]

i personally dont remember the level grind, since i was lvl 60 in like 3 weeks

[hidden sand]

I was thinking of the adjustment they did for 1 week I think

[mental delta]

Yes I want more infos, I need images and shit or it's gonna make me an asshole

[spiral island]

in fact, we dont know. can be 1st june, which is tomorrow, can be first week or second week. predictions always can be wrong. from my perspective, they were re-scheduling the 1st season cuz they needed to balance the game and fix lots of major bugs. apparently i think they are ready for 1st season so dont think there's gonna be any delays

[olive lake]

I know. But remember the last time they said they'd drop info early on? Also I understand. We're all here dying on lack of info

[hidden sand]

Ye, it's 150 xp per minute cap. Ribbons are disabled as well. Weekly missions are disabled as well.

[velvet sand]

Out of curiosity...who was saying this? >.>

[fallen yarrow]

Also, there are no gameplay unlocks after level 60 IIRC and no cosmetic unlocks after level 100 (not even dogtags). So there's no reason on capping xp either, unless DICE wants to sell 'shortcut' bundles to new/future players

[olive lake]

If I'd say it here, I'll just break the rules.

[mental delta]

I hope so, a new delay wouldn't be appreciated by players, but they don't give infos which is a bit worrying

[olive lake]

And I'd rather not get banned

[velvet sand]

Does the sources name rhyme with "Bom Menderson"?

[olive lake]

Nah not them

[grizzled whale]

that seems like an elaborate way of saying "source: trust me bro"

theres no rule about naming a dude on twitter that has info on the game

[spiral island]

i understand the delays, cuz its quote hard to develop games, but if they not sure when they gonna be able to publish the thing, i'd say nothing if i was on their place. they said june then its june, im ok with that. if they say 1st june and publish it 12th june, then i'd get disappointed of course

[velvet sand]

well, not on temporyal either.

[mental delta]

December
"You'll get infos about season 1 the beginning of 2022"
End of February
"You are not getting season 1 before summer*

Yeah I pretty remember that shit lol

[grizzled whale]

They havent given an exact date because they are 100% still working on getting it ready

and untill they know for sure they can release it they wont say anything

they are working on an extreme time crunch, so i dont blame them

[spiral island]

dont see any lies and broken promises here kekw

[spiral island]

this tbh

[grizzled whale]

It still sucks, but i understand it

[velvet sand]

If they're still in "extreme crunch" this far out from launch...man is their internal pipeline and the state of the game even more fucked than we thought, lol.

[mental delta]

I can hear the delay's noise from here

[hidden sand]

I would be surprised if they're under crunch, DICE has always been said to be very healthy with it's workflow, even in stressful circumstances
That could have changed though

[grizzled whale]

In their eyes the game wasnt ready for another year, so them having to finish it AND add new content while having to tweak things based on community feedback does cause a fair time crunch yes

[mental delta]

They made us think the season 1 would arrive at the beginning of 2022 before the game released, which wasn't true

[round garden]

L + game dead + no active players + horrendous no cover map design + devs already working on the next one

[round garden]

adios 💀

[velvet sand]

Sauce for "not rady for another year"? Because like...that's sure the community sentiment, but DICE seems to have thought it was ready for prime time.

[wide shore]

You’d be surprised to know that devs always work on the next game after the previous one is released.

[grizzled whale]

Not an exact source, but its common knowledge that they wanted another year of development time but EA denied them

[mental delta]

Every time they make an update to fix some bugs, 100 others appear, I don't see how we could get a season 1 soon of the game is in this actual state

[velvet sand]

"common knowledge"...weren't you just mocking the "Trust me bro" source? : P

[round garden]

yes but i domt think the game will be fixed nor will it get the promised content

[fallen yarrow]

I'm pretty sure the content teams are different from the 'fixing' teams. But didn't DICE/EA also mention that they had an entire dev studio focused on post launch content before the game even released so as to not avoid the content draught that BFV went through?

[spiral island]

bad management is a reason to lots of bad things in this world, especially in game industries

[mental delta]

You think they already work on the next one ?

[grizzled whale]

well "some random dude on twitter i cant name for whatever reasons" and something that most people in the community know arent the same thing

[wide shore]

Okay, it definitely will get promised content.

[arctic grove]

[wide shore]

Of course they are.

[mental delta]

The return of the frog

[velvet sand]

"something most people in the community know" remains "trust me, bro". I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case, but absent some actual confirmation from someone it's just the community belief.

[arctic grove]

[acoustic oar]

well if they have that studio working on the post launch content they are doing a bad job. Even BFV had more content up to this point.

[grizzled whale]

@velvet sand oh and i am trying to find the source atm

[mental delta]

Idk EA seems to see more interesting to work on other games than BF

[velvet sand]

Thanks, I'm honestly very curious to see it because that'd be a fairly stunning admission.

[spiral island]

bf 2142 remastered when

[velvet sand]

Other games actually make them money : |

[patent path]

Will we see season 1 before the world implodes?

[wide shore]

It’s a good thing EA own a lot of studios then

[mental delta]

In june of 2021 they said we would get a BF every 2 years in the best situation, but looking at how it's going rn for the actual game, I don't see them publishing another game in one year

[wide shore]

Maybe not. They probably shouldn’t, either.

[patent path]

please don't make another bf, just sell battle passes or something

[arctic grove]

[velvet sand]

Spinoff titles like the narrative entry Marcus Lehto's studio is building. Not full-on BF games prob, but the "connected experiences" that they talked about wanting to build as part of the "BF universe" because everything neesd to be some kinda metaverse nowadays.

[wide shore]

Give the game enough time, this time

[mental delta]

Yes that's why EA seems to have lost interest into BF for the moment, they know Apex can make a lot of incomes and they are probably not thinking a lot about next BF even if it's already in development

[wide shore]

And in the meantime. Make 2042 the game it should’ve been

[patent path]

delete reddit and we'll finally have a playable game

[mental delta]

If we are getting specialists and no content again yes, I am not sure I want to see a next title soon

[velvet sand]

It'll probably be "good" right around the time they're ready to spin down support, which IIRC was more or less what happened with BFV/BFront 2, no?

[wide shore]

Maybe

I don’t like trying to predict the future

[mental delta]

Yes and that's weird, the thing they did with Vanguard, MW and Cold War is bad af and warzone is horrible, I don't want that kind of shit with BF

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/im-an-angel-halo-emoji-wings-smile-gif-17844213

[mental delta]

And take good decisions like reintroducing classes (I don't believe I have to say that as classes should have never left BF), delete specialists and give real content

[patent path]

class is still here tho

[mental delta]

Well ... no.

[patent path]

well...yes? Assault has fast, aggressive skills for assaulting, scouts have scouting tools, etc. Classes never left

[grizzled whale]

@velvet sand i cant seem to find the source sadly, i know it was one of those "what 2042 could have been" videos with a link to an article with some quotes from a dev, but it just gets drowned out by recent news about the game

[hearty flame]

saying 2042 has classes is like saying that cod has classes lol

[grizzled whale]

Them talking about fire tornado's, tsunami's, and overal just more content they were forced to abandon when they werent given another year of development time

[mental delta]

Weirdest thing I've seen here for months, congratulations dude.

[mental delta]

At this point he probably never played that game more than 1 hour

[hearty flame]

No its a common thing that lots of people supporting specialists say. "classes arent gone the specialists are classes"

[patent path]

why do you think 2042 doesn't have classes?

[grizzled whale]

Well hes partially right

you CAN make your own classes

[forest snow]

At this point can we just remove condors and hinds untill fixed?

[grizzled whale]

you just need competent AA

[forest snow]

With some off the trash that play this game?

[mental delta]

Lol that's weird af, they rather never played real BF with true classes and only played 2042, or they never played 2042 and don't know what they're talking about

[hearty flame]

well since everyone can potentially do everything then classes literally and for all intents and purpose dont exist

[mental delta]

[forest snow]

Everyone is to busy running around with a k30

[grizzled whale]

one RAO, one 57mm wildcat, one soflam and a team THAT ACTUALLY SHOOTS AT SOFLAMMED CHOPPERS WITH THEIR M5''s and you are set

[forest snow]

Doing nothing

[hearty flame]

it is what it is sadly

[mental delta]

Simple thing : you can play every weapons and every gadgets with every specialists

[mental delta]

Lol BF community isn't what it used to be

[grizzled whale]

we have angel now, the community has infinitely improved

[mental delta]

Almost nobody in that game destroys other vehicles when they are infantry, sometimes it seems like you are the only one to carry a rocket launcher

[deft dirge]

hey yall i just got a 3080ti upgrade paired with a i7 8700k. b2042 is running like total garbage even worse compared to my old 1080ti water cooled. anyone getting bad performance with the 3000 series

[hearty flame]

some people will hate that bf is moving towards cod but will happily take their old "class" system

[mental delta]

Well ... I wouldn't say that

[hearty flame]

Angel does it again!

[grizzled whale]

its not the 3080, its the outdated i7

[patent path]

You don't get to use the surveillance tools while playing the "assault" specialists?

[forest snow]

At this point some people can do nothing but only use the transports to level up knowing how broken they are

[deft dirge]

the thing is its only games on origin everything else is running great, my 8700k is oc to 5.2ghz

[grizzled whale]

2042 is extremely cpu heavy

[mental delta]

Yes tbh whatever they do in the future I just want real classes and no specialists, or they just do another franchise but nobody forces them to destroy BF with their shit

[grizzled whale]

and the 8700k is generally a massive bottleneck for a 3080ti

[mental delta]

That's not gadgets, that's specialists abilities, it has nothing to do with classes

[hearty flame]

lots of people will be side-eyeing the next bf and dice can blame noone but themselves

[grizzled whale]

a 4 generation old cpu paired with a top of the line latest gen gpu

[patent path]

inb4 they revert back to bf2/vietnam style of gameplay and you guys lose your mind lmao

[grizzled whale]

not a great combination

[deft dirge]

gotcha gotcha

[grizzled whale]

what fps are you getting at what res?

[mental delta]

Lol only 5 or 6 mates carrying each team and all other are weirdos playing k-30 and ac-42

[mental delta]

Yes they took all the bad decisions they could

[forest snow]

Game is in such a bad state In terms of balance when they fix it some players won’t know what to do.

[hearty flame]

it could be worse. they could drop destruction and just go cod ground warfare 2.0

[mental delta]

I believe they actually modified AK-24 like 5 or 6 times, it doesn't make sense lol, moreover that rifle I used to play the most is now broken af

[grizzled whale]

honestly i can dominate any lobby with literally any gun

[hidden sand]

I think you might be referring to that one blogpost from one of the marketing people, who talked about one of the major features they had in store was suddenly impossible so they had next to no time to make a new trailer and promotional material.

[deft dirge]

1440p around 110 fps but its the amount of stuttering and frame rates drops making it unplayable. looks like ill be going to best buy later for a i9

[mental delta]

Lol please don't give them ideas, they are able to do every shit we are talking about

[grizzled whale]

no need for an i9, go for 12th gen i5/i7

[hidden sand]

It was deleted pretty quickly iirc though

[mental delta]

Btw cod ground war is a shitty attempt to copy BF but it's only my opinion

[grizzled whale]

im running an i5 12600k, and it outperforms up to 10th gen i9's

[deft dirge]

forsure thank you

[grizzled whale]

that might be the one, but i 100% remember that they said that they wanted to delay the game to 2023, but EA forced the release anyway

[solar minnow]

AMD CPU would be the best

[deft dirge]

any recomendations for mobo ?

[grizzled whale]

not really

[deft dirge]

im gonna stick with intel tbh

[solar minnow]

AMD Ryzen 9 5900x out preforms

it beats i5

[grizzled whale]

12600k and 5600x are pretty much equal in performance, slight edge to the 12600k

[grizzled whale]

fully depends on what you need

[solar minnow]

AMD has 2 more cores.

[grizzled whale]

yet its still outperformed

[hidden sand]

What's a bit tricky about that though is that DICE lied to them about the state of the game during those 3 years, because the only thing you could be referring to is Toms video which is where it's also brought up they needed more time but EA denied it. Which was why those studios were brought on at the last minute to support development.

[solar minnow]

just barely like one or 2 fps with AMD using less power

[grizzled whale]

also false, 5600x is 6 core 12 threads
12600k is 10 core 16 threads

[grizzled whale]

i honestly doubt that dice lied to EA about the state of the game

[solar minnow]

it has 24 threads HAHAHA

jesus man look it up.

[grizzled whale]

seeing how the whole "2042 was a BR game" story makes a lot of sense looking at the gane

[hidden sand]

Them being dishonest about the state of the game is apart of the story of it originally being a BR

[patent path]

oh he was talking about the ryzen 9 5600x, not the ryzen 5 5600x

[solar minnow]

Ryzen 9 5900x 12 cores 24 threads

[patent path]

which is super expensive

[hidden sand]

It also explains why the support studios were brought on at the very last minute

[grizzled whale]

bro you are talking about the 5900x

[solar minnow]

yeah

[grizzled whale]

you said 5600x

[chilly jacinth]

They're the same processor obviously

[patent path]

I don't think a lot of people who still use i5 to this day use the i5 because they want to

[solar minnow]

if you want to stay future proof and have great performance with low power demand it's the best.

[velvet sand]

my i5 10600k works pretty well : |

[hidden sand]

IIRC EA saying development was ahead of schedule came from the fact that DICE was being dishonest, in Toms video

[patent path]

well obviously it's the best but most certified gamers can't afford it lol

[grizzled whale]

do people even worry about power demand anymore?

its literally a difference of 50-70w

[solar minnow]

Yeah, cause you want to have wiggle room for other stuff like a more powerful GPU.

[grizzled whale]

not when you already have a 3080ti as in this case lol

i doubt hes gonna need much wiggle room for that

[solar minnow]

You can overclock it more then. with AMD sense it uses less power.

[deft dirge]

im going full water cooled loop and have a ultrawide oled panel coming in over the summer.

[grizzled whale]

nice

[solar minnow]

less power usage is a no brainer. it makes better for system stability as well.

[grizzled whale]

i couldnt do full loop cuz of the maintenance

50-70w less power usage, but you pay more for less performance

doesnt seem like a good deal

[solar minnow]

you get more perfomance. it's better at using power than intel.

how does this not make sense?

[grizzled whale]

the 12700k is cheaper and outperforms it

so the only advantage you get is 50-70w less power usage

[solar minnow]

okay, cheaper doesn't mean better though

[grizzled whale]

better performance means better though lol

[solar minnow]

it has a 1 to 2 frame difference lmao

[deft dirge]

the maintenance isn't too bad as long as you use the right material and don't mix and match metal you will only be flushing the water out every few months

just debating which mobo to go with

[patent path]

what maintenance? I put my case on a carpet and don't turn it off until it turns itself off

[solar minnow]

water loops is too time consuming and runs the risk of damaging parts.

[grizzled whale]

funny

[solar minnow]

it looks nice but you run a higher risk of damaging parts.

[deft dirge]

its so streamlined now that its pretty hard to damage anything

[grizzled whale]

the 5900x is actualy using MORE power in a lot of games while performing worse(even if not that much) than the 12700k

so in reality, you get better performance and less power usage for cheaper with intel

[solar minnow]

yeah, it's a lot easier than in the early days.

[patent path]

guys remember the intel gpu?

[deft dirge]

but forsure ill go with the 12700k thanks homie

[grizzled whale]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-19055033

[patent path]

it seems like intel doesn't either

[grizzled whale]

good

they should stick to making superior CPU's

260 bucks for an i5 that outperforms a 10th gen i9

[patent path]

I'm using a 10th gen i7 laptop and it's performing like poopoo

[velvet sand]

y'all don't have quantum computers yet?

[patent path]

bought it right before they put the 11th gen on sale here

[deft dirge]

i had so many gaming laptops. they undervolt and under clock that it just blows

[patent path]

undervolting is good tho

[velvet sand]

Gotta keep the laptop from melting or burning your hands. Long ago I used to use a cooling pad with mine to help keep temps low.

[deft dirge]

i feel that

[fiery shoal]

not for performance

[patent path]

it really doesn't affect performance

[fiery shoal]

in regards to laptops? yea find me any laptop that performs the same as its desktop counterpart

[patent path]

if anything undervolting makes your pc more stable

[next onyx]

Loving that specialist rework.

[patent path]

lol

[grizzled whale]

nah, my 69th gen i420 and Nvidia GTRXVpower129080ti is getting close tho

[grizzled whale]

are they balancing that lmg on their pinky?

they barely holding it

[patent path]

I really did put my desktop on a carpet inside a 8m2 dorm room

[next onyx]

That's their fore finger.

[deft dirge]

its the future. its made out of graphite aha

graphene aerogel*

[vivid kindle]

should i re-install or is the game still trash?

[edgy oriole]

yes

[eternal storm]

Not trash, just boring

[arctic grove]

wait until s1 to re install

[still vault]

S1 will arrive in like 1-30 days

[vivid kindle]

whats coming with s1?

i paid 80$ for this crap + tax and they wont throw in the expansion?

[hidden sand]

1 map, 1 specialist, more than 1 weapon and vehicle. We don't know specifics on those two though.

[fiery shoal]

should have paid 60/70, they are throwing in the expansion?

[karmic cobalt]

Planes? 😳😳

[analog fractal]

Why oh why does the lobby still disband after a game?

[marble basalt]

SBMM

[haughty cipher]

oh yeah

dead game

[hidden sand]

I am convinced there is only 1 active bt server on last gen

Would you like more breakaway with your breakaway?

[deft dirge]

hate how thats the trend with most shooters now. halo, cod, bf does it. vibe just isn't there

[analog fractal]

I don't get what's the point of it

Just takes longer for a game to start and if you join a late game, you have to immediately search a new game?

Tf is the point of joining a game that ends in 30 seconds or less

On the losing side to boot

DICE pleeeease

[pine roost]

It already takes more than two minutes to get into a match, even without waiting for players, when bfv could do it in 30 seconds. disbanding lobbies makes no sense given that

[fallen yarrow]

You guys don't like going through five different loading screens/countdowns before each match?

[edgy oriole]

I want to be able to skip endgame screen since the server dies anyways. i wanna get in the next game as fast as possible

[shell ermine]

The dumbass disbanding lobbies are to accommodate skill based matchmaking, with the end goal to drive engagement and thus mtx purchases for casual players

Of course with a microscopic population it doesn't work (not that it would be good with a good population)

[arctic grove]

Too many variables to actually make a accurate skill based team.

[shell ermine]

I must have played Breakaway, Renewal, and Discarded over and over again the past week. I don't even remember the names of the other maps because they never show the fuck up

[tranquil turtle]

Sbmm in a bf game is as pointless as nfts

Most players are average, so they get thrown into lobbies with average players
But without sbmm servers will gravitate towards having a majority of players be average, even if the players are selected randomly

[shadow arch]

shit, here we go again with the pickiness

[plucky pebble]

Yeah weird huh

[shadow arch]

im booting yp my ps4 cuz imma play bf2042

[fiery shoal]

how does the game know X player is going to snipe or run shotgun this game, let alone click a vehicle fast enough to spawn in it and then triple their kd?

people dont realize what sbmm would really mean in a bf game.. its impossible

[hidden sand]

Yeah I don't think it has anything to do with sbmm, it's far more likely to be a remnant of the original direction the game had.

[plucky pebble]

Since when bf official servers had sbmm bruh

[fiery shoal]

is that a question or a statement?

[shadow arch]

its done

[fiery shoal]

afaik no bf game has sbmm

[plucky pebble]

Exactly

[elder patrol]

How would sbmm even work in bf...

[forest knoll]

anyone wanna run some games EU?

[lucid goblet]

!!lfg

[tender pendant]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[fiery shoal]

it wouldnt

[shadow arch]

imagine if dream made his manhunt in bf2042

[plucky pebble]

Bruh

[fiery shoal]

idk how many fucking times i do this command and then they DM me asking if i was wanting to play..

[wise zodiac]

Lmao

[arctic grove]

LMAO YIKES

Anywaysss..... anyone wanna play?

[shadow arch]

the match im playing in bf2042 is, conquest in the usa team on the renewal map, playing as the Aircraft, wish me luck

[arctic grove]

Good luck pigeon

[edgy oriole]

[bleak nebula]

wanna play?

[fiery shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/madcat-ygzcat-cat-pussy-madpussy-gif-24909889

[edgy oriole]

female/82/central l4g 2042 conquest portal

[shadow arch]

nvm i got out of the match

what if dice adds a backrooms map

[silver mountain]

That’s op underground

[shadow arch]

the match im playing in bf2042 is, conquest in the usa team on the orbital map, playing as the Aircraft

[marble basalt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/705218657529233528.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[oak crest]

It be interesting to hear from those of you who PTFO unlike many of the cowards in this game who hide behind corners and are in bushes waiting for someone to run by. How many of your deaths per match are you being shot in the back?

My last match I decided to keep track. I died 13 times of those 11 I was shot in the back. What have your experiences been? Are many of your deaths from being shot from behind trying to PTFO or?

[shadow arch]

nvm i got out of the match

[edgy oriole]

wtf is a ptfo

[tiny imp]

play the f** objective

[edgy oriole]

Clear the area better and you wont be shot in the back.

[shadow arch]

the match im playing in bf2042 is, conquest in the usa team on the hourglass map, playing as the Aircraft

[arctic grove]

or snipers camping by the spawn points

[oak crest]

“Today, today I’m proud.” 😂

[restive saddle]

I mean if you keep getting shot in the back, you are doing something wrong

You as well as your squad or team

[cosmic sequoia]

this game should just go f2p... it's sad... so dead

[velvet sand]

Well, we'll see if partial/full F2P is in the cards for the relaunch. Given that HZ is getting abandoned it'd be absolutely hilarious if the super early rumors of that going F2P end up being true.

[edgy oriole]

thats been a rumor since like January i think

[velvet sand]

Though real I hope they make Portal F2P or something and it brings in a ton of folks to create cool experiences and shit. At least if they ever sort out Portal XP, heh.

[fiery shoal]

like.. an actual rumor or just people saying "lul go f2p" because.. logic?

[velvet sand]

Both. Everyone's favorite leaker was floating that it was being discussed IIRC. Not planned, just discussed, and I think others guessed that it would likely be HZ or Portal that goes free.

[edgy oriole]

it was from whenever tom said it. i forgot when it was but i remember this discord being kinda shit around that time.

[fiery shoal]

basically tom says absolutely anything, and even if it comes true a year later people will be like "damnnnnn tom was right again"

[velvet sand]

I mean, all his leaks come with massive grains of salt. He's inconsistent, but he definitely knows folks internally who are talking to him. I don't trust his info 100% by any means, but it's interesting food for thought (especially when communication otherwise is so barren)

[shadow arch]

the match im playing in bf2042 is, conquest in the usa team on the discarded map, playing as sundance, dozer, mackay, and irish

[edgy oriole]

how

[restive saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[oak crest]

Yeah you’re right I am. I’m playing the PTFO and not hiding in a room waiting for someone to run by so that I can shoot them in the back. Nor am I hiding in bushes or camping the spawn. Im also not hiding behind rocks prone in the hopes that an enemy player walks on by. I can put up huge numbers too when playing like a coward. But I play the objective because I care more about winning than my stats. I am being shot in the back by people hiding who don’t want to fight gun on gun.

They are the ones that are the issue not me. By the way I’m not saying I’m not having fun. The question was how many times are people who PTFO per match are getting shot in the back generally. That’s the question and I bet the number is high. There are just way too many people who play the game like they’re going to die in real life if they PTFO so they don’t and that’s a shame because they’re stats obsessed.

[edgy oriole]

sounds like youre being outplayed by people playing the obj

[restive saddle]

No you and everyone around you is failing to watch every angle of attack and someone with experience just abused that.

[arctic grove]

im trash but like to play ya dig

[silver lantern]

So when is the new update

Are they gonna add new guns or nah

[restive saddle]

You don't get shot in the back if you don't put yourself in a position where that is capable of happening, effectively always keep the enemy in front of you or plan ahead

[arctic grove]

Enjoy this moment when they come

[scenic tartan]

You need to be using the sensor ball

Either smoke grenade or sensor ball

[tranquil turtle]

start a singleplayer match to practice flying jets only for all the vehicles to turn invisible. Another day another bullshit bug

[shadow arch]

the match im playing in bf2042 is, conquest in the usa team on the orbital map, playing as sundance, dozer, mackay, and irish

[arctic grove]

Yup

[vocal adder]

pretty sure they just adding guns from portal aren't they

[arctic grove]

Nope

[sour meadow]

does tap and burst firing not work in 2042

i've been doing it because that's what i've learned from bf3 and 4

[fiery shoal]

tap firing and burst firing do not achieve the same thing it does in bf4

[sour meadow]

i thought so

[fiery shoal]

bf4 has spread based shooting mechanics, 2042 does not (thankfully)

[sour meadow]

so what is it now, just recoil control

[fiery shoal]

yea, though spread is still a factor, its not the main factor like bf4 arguably was

ive not followed the weapon stats lately, but id say 90% of 2042 weapons you can mag dump fairly effectively as long as you can control the recoil

[sour meadow]

i don't like dumping because ammo is so rare

[fiery shoal]

its not bad in 2042, especially since any "class" can have ammo crate to compensate

[edgy oriole]

From what i learned since release is to control all guns recoil you just drag slightly down to the left, but idk if update 4 fixed that.

[sour meadow]

also does recoil get worse with mag dumps

[arctic grove]

It’s actually consistent the entire mag

[sour meadow]

i guess i suck then

[velvet sand]

just gotta get used to the recoil with the guns

[sour meadow]

i grew up on 3 and 4 so my brain is hardwired to tap and burst

[fiery shoal]

doesnt spread values increase with some weapons the longer you shoot?

[arctic grove]

I went into a portal game with the LCMG (one of those firing range things) and it was fine after hundreds of rounds, but it would make sense for that to happen with some guns, I’d have to go check it out again from longer ranges

[sour meadow]

i don't understand why they keep making unnecessary changes to weapon mechanics

in the franchise, not just 2042

[fiery shoal]

spread based shooting mechanics are pretty oldschool and limiting

[sour meadow]

but then they changed in bf1

then changed it again in 2042

[fiery shoal]

spread basically translates to RNG at ranges and a "hard cap" on its effective range. where recoil control is normally soft capped by damamge drop off and relies on your skill to put bullets into people. of course HREC is another factor in that

[sour meadow]

what's hrec

[fiery shoal]

pretty sure bf4 and bf1 share gun mechanics ideology, bfv is where it drastically changed, 2042 followed bfv

[fiery shoal]

horizontal recoil

[sour meadow]

did 3 and 4 have the lmg mechanics where they get more accurate with fire

[low timber]

Only in 1 I believe

[devout monolith]

In a real battlefield you'll have the trenches known as campers. Stop your whining and play your part.

[fiery shoal]

not really sure on that, i wasnt that into stats/mechanics when i played those

[fiery shoal]

... wut.. is this relevant to the current topic of just a random rant?

[restive saddle]

I think in 1 it kinda did both?

[devout monolith]

lol

[sour meadow]

at least MMG's are gone

[fiery shoal]

i didnt play bf1.. i didnt like it

[arctic grove]

I’ve even seen snipers called campers also he’s mentioning what a guy said earlier about the whole camping instead of PTFO thing

[sour meadow]

that shit was whack

[devout monolith]

I'm replying to a few above

Carry on folksn

[fiery shoal]

could help to reply to them to make more sense.. i have no clue what youre talking about

[devout monolith]

No need to reply to them. its a general statement

[wide violet]

[restive saddle]

Or at least, er. The guns would act like it had actual recoil and kinda bounce around, being spread around still, but if you were accurate enough it didn't matter? idk I haven't played in a while

[sour meadow]

i'm curious, tell me what the first thing that goes through your head when i say the following: "winged warrior"

[arctic grove]

Plane main

[wide violet]

Mr Potato head with a bomber jacket and aviators

[arctic grove]

I mean if I’m not wrong playing jets is how you get that title thing right?

[fiery shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/linkin-park-hybrid-hybrid-theory-music-metal-gif-25381524

[sour meadow]

i hate plane and helicopter mains

[arctic grove]

[fiery shoal]

i dont like them when they think they are the shit because they have a high kdr

[wide violet]

^

[arctic grove]

I’m enjoying the general feel of the M5A3 way more than any helicopter weapon rn

[sour meadow]

there's a special place in hell for aerial mains

[wide violet]

I lowkey miss taking off on a runway

[sour meadow]

i don't from bfv

[wide violet]

the whole SWBF enter the battle thing is wack imo

[sour meadow]

mfs putting mines and camping runways with tanks and launchers

[radiant prism]

Unrelated:

[devout monolith]

Or low level glide through to reload

[wide violet]

bf3/bf4 jets had a good vibe to them dawg.

[shadow arch]

Hey LOok at this shit post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqjafOY_EqE

[sour meadow]

never got the chance to experience it because the only people who use them are plane mains

so if you're not sweating your nuts off, you won't stand a chance

[wide violet]

yeah if you werent a day 1 player airspace was tuff

[velvet sand]

The plane mains in Spain do exclaim they are the same when in the rain.

[arctic grove]

Yeah the skill ceiling was a lot higher I can tell

[sour meadow]

not even the ceiling, it's just that if you want to get good at it, you just can't because the plane gods are everywhere and will not show mercy

[wide violet]

gotta have that need for speed

[sour meadow]

"i could be the next red baron i really do"

[shadow arch]

Hey guys look, Dice released the season 1 trailer, guess what happens to be added next https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fujCdB93fpw&t=0s

[wide violet]

#bot

[arctic grove]

Sus

[wide violet]

how do we summon the admins again

[velvet sand]

nice b8 m8, I r8 8/8

[radiant prism]

I knew it. And yet I still clicked.

[velvet sand]

Please say it's a rickroll

[radiant prism]

And I was not disappointed.

[radiant prism]

No for once it’s actually not bait lmao

[sour meadow]

what is it.

[arctic grove]

Gabe, gotta be careful not to seem like a bot

[velvet sand]

I'm so glad I was right. Worth.

[sour meadow]

how to get jetpack in gta iv

[wide shore]

You don’t

[wide violet]

gasp

[shadow arch]

hahahah I got u all

it was a rickroll

[wide violet]

I didnt click it

[sour meadow]

yea you freakin pwned us

[velvet sand]

8/8 trolling, is totally not decade+ old meme that still is funny

[radiant prism]

Rickrolling is timeless

I have a shirt with a QR code on it that just takes you to a rickroll

[sour meadow]

also what's the first thing that comes to your minds when you see someone in battlefield that has "TTV" "TV" or "YT" in their username

[velvet sand]

Is this some weird low-key market research shit?

[sour meadow]

no i'm just curious

[arctic grove]

They give me hope that when I clutch kill them I’ll end up on one of their clips where they smash their keyboard

[sour meadow]

i killed levelcap on stream once when he was playing bfv

[wide shore]

Cringe

[sour meadow]

i remember someone in bf1 who, after each round, would paste his twitch url in the game chat

[wide shore]

Best way to find streamers with 0 viewers is just find players with TTV at the end of their name.

[sour meadow]

"make sure to follow and buy the merch"

[wide shore]

“Hey guys my mom is a chat mod please don’t be mean to me”

[sour meadow]

streamers suck

[shell ermine]

That's Breakaway 4 times in a row now lmao.

Man I hate DICE's choices for this game so much

[wide shore]

Just cancel matchmaking until you get a different map

[sour meadow]

i love how portal has a server browser and you can stay on a server while it changes maps while AOW has neither of those

[sour meadow]

shouldn't have to

[shadow arch]

I just saw that dice posted a teaser of season 2, here is the vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVwRQV48Xbs

[wide shore]

Not saying you should have to. But that’s how you avoid playing on the same map twice.

[shadow arch]

look at it

[sour meadow]

no

[shadow arch]

come on

[ebon pilot]

getting banned speedrun

[chilly oak]

is the flashlight ever worth using

[ebon pilot]

There's flashlights in this game?

[shadow arch]

its shit

[solid imp]

Never

[chilly oak]

like on the shotguns?

[low timber]

Some say it’s only good on Manifest.

Never seen it’s effects tho, on manifest or anywhere else.

[ebon pilot]

Maybe it's good for hardcore modes?

[solid imp]

If they replaced the batteries so it's actually bright it might work

[chilly oak]

it flashes my whole screen wdym so its actually bright

[chilly oak]

i have plenty its why i was asking

[solid imp]

I don't think I've experienced this, it always seems really dim to me.

[chilly oak]

weird

also is it just me, or should conquest matches last longer

[shell ermine]

No

Anyway. Engagement distances in this game are too long for crossplay, it heavily favors KB&M. I know for certainty if I get killed beyond 50m it's a KB&M user or a sniper.

[plucky pebble]

Cry

[fossil trench]

Anyone got tips for getting melee kills

[edgy oriole]

use dozer

[fossil trench]

Dozer’s shield counts?

[edgy oriole]

yeah

[fossil trench]

Ah sweet

[edgy oriole]

1 hit kill, 2 if they are full life with armour

[fossil trench]

Just need to finish the weekly mission

[tacit sphinx]

i mean just like. find some random sniper or something

paradrop out of a transport

[fallen yarrow]

You'll find afk enemies at the start of the round, because they're forced to deploy

[arctic grove]

[steady elm]

i play on pc with a controller and i usually get around 3-5 kills before i die on foot with any weapon i use, are you sure its not a you issue?

oops, wrong @ mention

[edgy oriole]

[arctic grove]

[arctic grove]

[edgy oriole]

im waiting in a squad server queue i was 8/12 then became 12/14

[arctic grove]

[wide shore]

Been using controller since Day 1 with crossplay on and have a 2.7 K/D.

That said, I would love input based matchmaking.

[chilly jacinth]

turn off crossplay

[arctic grove]

Can I play battlefield 2042 in multiplayer on ps4-5 without ps+ now?

You will still need a ps plus subscription

Ok

[tepid agate]

I didn't think you could go online without ps plus?

[arctic grove]

Unfortunately you can’t. Which is what puts me between wanting to get a PS3 (although a lot of online services shut down) or switching to PC near future

[shell ermine]

Only with free to play games

2042 isn't free to play ||yet||

[plucky pebble]

[elder patrol]

Pie

[tepid agate]

Ah I see. Do games often make them free to play before the season pass has finished? I'm guessing it could be done when the 4 seasons have been delivered to 2042.

[arctic grove]

Heya

Anybody wanna play? I have nobody

[arctic grove]

You’ll have the best luck finding people to play with in #lfg-playstation #lfg-xbox or #lfg-pc (depending on what you’re playing on)

ah ok

[woeful remnant]

bro fr AA missiles are broken. sometimes they deal 60 damage and others they insta kill you from the same direction

[sinful ore]

it's june 1st here

ye

[arctic grove]

No

[scenic tartan]

That and there is way too many of them since everyone can equip it without worrying about classes

[arctic grove]

About a season or two in we should definitely have enough guns and gadgets to comfortably have them locked into specific specialists classes

You shouldn’t be able to heal your team and play AA at the same time. That’s just my opinion though

[scenic tartan]

I just think you should have trade offs in what you want to use

I don't know if I like this idea but attaching a point cost to your loadout like black ops 2 and letting you spend points however you want..

Like launchers and AA would be more points than spawn beacon

And snipers would be more points than SMG

A class system is much simpler

[hearty flame]

sure lets make bf more like cod lol

[arctic grove]

I feel like it’s ultimately not only more like battlefield but also a lot less complicated to just ‘class-lock’ guns and or gadgets, honestly

[arctic grove]

COD is better than BF as we speak

MW2 is going to destroy them

DICE is so jealous of their BR, they're fuming

Aye we’ll see

Nothing can stop the success that MW2 is going to get

Are you mad yet EA?

For sure. I think what will be MW2s initial problem is people thinking it’ll be 2009 all over again and then nostalgia doesn’t hold to its fantasy and people are disappointed. And maybe the regular old cod launch bugs

The competition is over

Other than that it’s not like MW2 will have a content problem because one thing COD knows how to do well is content

DICE where is the content?

Where is your live content DICE?

[tepid agate]

They can't make content fast because they are reworking the game.

[mental cave]

in early june

[arctic grove]

Oh no... anyway

[hardy leaf]

its in alpha pre-testing phase

[arctic grove]

They did such a great job with 2042

[hardy leaf]

better make a whole new game then reworking a mess

[arctic grove]

They're helping me with my money and I have to thank them, I'm not 60$ short of nothing

[hardy leaf]

yes they earned enough with little effort, sold a game in pre production phase for full price lmao

[tepid agate]

Probably going to be over a year before they finish reworking their game. A new reworked map in season 2 and there still more 2042 maps that need a rework.

[arctic grove]

reworking it with sandbags assets

🤡

[hardy leaf]

what about those who bought it in november 2021 expecting they are buying a finished game that will have smooth gameplay and rich player base and content.

[white geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/angel-flight-c130-flare-gif-15522836

[tepid agate]

I think we are kind of used to a game may not be finished upon launch due to bugs or maybe content, but I haven't quite seen a Battlefield game like 2042 need to rework so much of their product to get it right.

[arctic grove]

The only people who are enjoying 2042 are alt accounts from the devs team

Jokes aside once Y1 concludes the game will be fine

You never wonder? Why so many bots in your lobby?

[hardy leaf]

i havent seen any AAA game that need to rework so much, not just a battlefield game

[tepid agate]

I always have tons of bots

[hardy leaf]

lmao

[arctic grove]

🍷

The problem with this game is content. I’m not factoring in specialists complaints. “REMOVE SPECIALISTS” isn’t possible nor will it happen. And it’s not like they are really much of a problem to begin with

As far as the maps go, they should basically all be reworked by Y1s end.

That is basically the two most major problems resolved (I forgot to mention specialist rework for specialists)

[tepid agate]

I don't play enough variety of games but yeah 2042 was massively overhyped and massively underwhelming

[arctic grove]

So being 100% realistic here, the damage is done but this game can move to a state considered by most as “decent”

You should sue them

I'm sure it can give you more than what you've paid for the game

[tepid agate]

I've had this discussion before but content is not the big problem it's the core gameplay, which specialist contribute to.

Past Battlefield games are bringing in tons more players than 2042 yet they haven't had new content for years.

People play them because the core gameplay experience is fun.

More proof of this is that the devs are releasing less content in order to rework so much of their product.

[arctic grove]

Nobody has a reason to sue bro, sorry

[hardy leaf]

i dont think it will ever be called decent by those who bought it for 60$ then after 2-3 months found the game to be sold for 5$ on gamestop

[arctic grove]

Good point

[hardy leaf]

good luck suing a multi-billion dollar firm that have done this for " a number of times" now

[arctic grove]

That’s 2-3 months after launch state and not a year later

And not a year later from the games release, for clarification let me say I’m referring to 1 year after upcoming S1 in June

[tepid agate]

We just take it as an L on our part

[arctic grove]

Most people may not touch it but I know it will be something that can reasonably be considered “aight”

[hardy leaf]

That explains why devs are so slow in bringing any significant updates

they busy keeping up the player base

[hearty flame]

itll be considered "aight" by those left at the end and bad by everyone else

[arctic grove]

You are smart

[arctic grove]

All we can do is wait for 1-2 years from now then

[hardy leaf]

EA will hire 50k jobless gamers from around the world for minimum wage to maintain the playerbase of the unfinished games they launch

[arctic grove]

And the fake lovers

[tepid agate]

On the flip side to it, they never force me to pay for their product. They may have put out false statements to try and sell it which I bought into but at the end of the day I've gone past being angry about it now.

If anything they have taught me a valuable lesson, not to pre-order their product in the future again and be patient for the launch reviews.

I'm not even saying that with a salty or envious tone, I'm serious.

[hearty flame]

right we should wait for 1-2 years for a product to get "aight" and not release in that state

[arctic grove]

I’m just talking about for general reception of the game

[hearty flame]

same here. if it launched in an alright state the general reception of the game wouldnt be what it is now

[hardy leaf]

by the logic " they didnt force me to buy their product ", consumer courts wont exist

[tepid agate]

Well you can try and take them to court and tell me how it goes 😄

[arctic grove]

My point is the current presumption on what people will think of this game after it’s done is based on the state of the game we’re at now, with absolutely 0 knowledge on what DICE might do during Y1

Will it be spectacular or even good to most after the game has support end? Likely not, but okayish, 6-7/10ish? I think so

[tepid agate]

I think on the other hand there are quite a few players who purposely wouldn't support this game to teach the devs a lesson not to release such a half baked product again in the future. I think if they took all the time in the World to fix it, you may stay away from this product to show them

[hearty flame]

Y1 is shaping up to be a 4/10. 1 map 8 months late, recycled content that shouldve realistically been incorporated when y1 was delayed, and 1 reworked map at the end of the season. Not a great start

[tepid agate]

There's going to be so many other FPS games that could launch more fun and better condition where they would spend their time

[tepid agate]

Exactly is far too slow but they can't do anything about it because it's too far behind

[hardy leaf]

no one likes to play a game launched in 2021 to play in 2024 because in 3 years the game emerged from being totally shit to playable

[arctic grove]

If by recycled content you mean portal guns then I don’t think any reasonable portion of those will be put into AOW.

One thing I am concerned about is if DICE is talking about portal guns when they refer to “new guns” for S1

[hearty flame]

they could crunch themselves to get more out but theres a lot of issues with that

[arctic grove]

Likelihood is only so many from BC2 and BF3 will be reworked and implemented into AOW

[hearty flame]

realistically portal maps and weapons shouldve been planned to release into aow when they delayed s1. the bandaid is right there and they waited on it

[arctic grove]

But yeah I’m really concerned about the maps too, if we’re looking at 1 AOW map a season then damn, the total map count at the end will be so much significantly lower than ordinary. Maybe portal maps will come over to AOW as well

Which I wouldn’t exactly mind. Maybe it’d be easier for DICE than designing new maps in a way that doesn’t give one play style an overwhelming advantage (although you can consider that recycled content)

[hearty flame]

i think we can expect more than 1 portal map per season but theres only so many portal maps unless ripple is making more.

[hardy leaf]

meanwhile EA working on the next battlefield game trailer including buildings falling and soldiers parachuting in between them

[arctic grove]

Yeah, true, and even less that wouldn’t end up being a repeat of launch maps

El Alamein in AOW

[tepid agate]

So the state of 2042:

Released over half a year ago with three online modes

Offer a new experience to focus on specialists

No campaign at all so they can really deliver on the multiplayer experience

6 months gone and they announced that one third of their online modes they are abandoning (HZ)

Bots are an essential part of 2042 to help your servers with the current state

They can hardly release any new content

They are spending most of their time now, to rework their specialists voices, appearances, body postures, movements and maps.

[arctic grove]

I mean those are literally the core issues with the game tho

Well, specialists and maps more specifically

[tepid agate]

Exactly. It's sad that they have they are pulling back so much of their game to rework them. Should never have charged players full price for this.

[arctic grove]

Not their voices and postures tho, I’m referring to the rework for clarification

[hearty flame]

gosh youd think that 2042 is a AA spiritual successor and not a AAA sequel lol

[arctic grove]

You’ve got a point that definitely can’t be argued with, on one hand you could say we paid 60-130 for them to effectively take parts of the game away that we paid for, but then another could say we did get what was advertised with no promise it would go any specific place with future updates, therefore warranting the price

[tepid agate]

I don't think they exactly lied with their words, but they used language in a specific way which they knew sounded great but was misleading.

[hardy leaf]

there should be atleast a teaser for season 1 if its going to be introduced in june

[arctic grove]

We’ll see if there is

[hardy leaf]

they might delay it to holidays

[arctic grove]

Them delaying Y1 to the holidays?

[hearty flame]

there probably will. Vs seasons had small trailers for them iirc

[tepid agate]

I think this is why they are not ready to talk about the final plan for their specialists.

They are hoping that with the rework of their voices, appearances a movements, can win the fans back over.

Have to season 1 they're probably going to evaluate everything and then see if they need to change their long road map with specialists.

[hearty flame]

well i hope theyre disappointed when everyone that hated specialists still hate them

[arctic grove]

Season 2 seems to be mostly focused on, or at least start with specialist changes, I think the rework will be implemented then and more information given then as well

If only I had a time travel machine so I could see how this will age rn

[hearty flame]

thats unless s2 is dead on arrival thanks to mw2

[tepid agate]

Yup. I even finds a big issue that I'm fighting the same characters who are my teammates. Like it doesn't feel fighting another country because everyone is just the same

[arctic grove]

Eh, they’ll have to do something regardless

[arctic grove]

Which is my biggest problem with specialists. Ruins a lot of the immersion

[hearty flame]

Its like vanguard lol. allies vs axis? no its my team vs their team lol

[arctic grove]

My team Vs Enemy team…. Like why even bother making a WW2 game if you’re just going to do that

[tepid agate]

Yeah they brought that up in their video. They actually acknowledge that they have been polarizing and break the immersion. Then immediately after the guy said that he said "oh so we need to think how to make them dirty and gritty"

So they're immediate answer to the fans was to change their appearance by making them look like they are in a war

This is not the big issue lol

[hearty flame]

remember these are the people who said that cod has no memorable characters

[tepid agate]

I have played that not sure lol

[hearty flame]

their idea of fixing shit is to make the shit dirtier lol

[arctic grove]

What do you think of them at least having faction dependent skin options to make players look more like a US/US affiliated masked person, and same for RU/RU affiliated?

[tepid agate]

Exactly they acknowledge that they are polarizing and break the immersion, follow it up by saying we need to make them dirty and make them look like they're in a war

What the hell

[arctic grove]

Militaristic skins with balaclavas and goggles that remove all personal identification factor, meaning even if you’re obviously playing Rao, you can still think it could be anyone

[hearty flame]

we should be used to their tone deftness at this point lol

[warped pulsar]

I wonder when we will get the video update for S1

[tepid agate]

I think both teams should look different and sound different

The past Battlefield I always play it feels like you were playing another country

Hearing the people dying or giving orders in other languages was cool as hell

[hearty flame]

week before s1 launch probs

[warped pulsar]

would be spicy if it were tomorrow

[arctic grove]

Agreed, although it would be funny to see Russian mackay

Guess it goes to show how much thought went into specialists as they were currently implemented though, honestly

[tepid agate]

And remember when all that data mine stuff got leaked around Christmas that they had a Christmas themed tank in the files? Lol

Like they are losing so much touch with the "wartone" to try and follow trends

[hearty flame]

if you keep your expectations really low youll never be disappointed and always be pleasantly surprised

[tepid agate]

Maybe the last survivors of 2042 went in with low expectation, or they enjoy the other FPS games a lot which Battlefield feels a bit like

[warped pulsar]

should people do the same with MW 2?

[arctic grove]

Battlefield has always maintained a militaristic, war theme. I agree that the Christmas cosmetics were

Quite frankly terrible if we consider what battlefield is usually about

It would look bad on 2042 to see Christmas MAVs then you go to BF1/V and everyone looks like their faction and it’s all gritty and brutal, lol

[tepid agate]

Like could you imagine playing a war game and there are characters running around dressed like Santa Claus with a gun? This kind of stuff is not for Battlefield

[hearty flame]

nah mw2 has high bars to rise to thanks for mw2019

[hearty flame]

i wish i had the standards of those that think 2042 is ok

[tepid agate]

And it may sound arrogant like I'm the one who knows what's right and wrong for Battlefield. It's not like that but just leave that stuff for other games to do

[warped pulsar]

oof, but than failed with 2 other CODs

[tepid agate]

If I had that same standard I tell you what I would never be sad a day in my life

[hearty flame]

it might sound arrogant but when the majority of the playerbase is gone you can assume youre onto something lol

[hearty flame]

well cold wars campaign was really neat. other than that the two were made by different studios so theres that. but since cod is gonna have more dev time between releases itll be interesting to see how things change for it

[warped pulsar]

I would ,love a zombies only cod

[tepid agate]

I said, go experiment with bfv and bf1 right now

Go and remove their classes and implement some specialists and see if player number rise, stay consistent or plummet

[arctic grove]

If specialists were similar and originally implemented as cosmetic similar to Vs elites with seperate ordinary US/RU soldier customization that would have been way better

But not to dwell on what it should have been. I’m waiting on S2 to see what they do with specialists

[tepid agate]

Please stop trying to make something right which we don't like. Just bring back your original formula and move forward with that. Holy crap they could work so much faster for content and map reworks

[arctic grove]

I still think the problem regarding specialists can be largely resolved with just the inclusion of faction-dependent masked, soldier esque customization options. And the central point of the video wasn’t to make the specialists look physically dirtier implying that was all that would change, the central point being they wouldn’t be intrusive on game immersion and wouldn’t look and feel so much like they’re in a totally separate situation (so more generally serious)

But that’s just the solution I can think of for 2042. For future titles, like you said xeno, it’s logical to just go back to the ordinary system

[tepid agate]

It's not like they are only a couple of days ahead either. I bet they have the whole year road map planned out with skins and specialists.

But because they have been so badly recieved they don't want to scrap it. They want to try tweak then to win us over so they can continue their roadmap.

[tepid agate]

I didn't mind the idea of Elites in BF1. Having some kind of specialist as a pick up item. Not throw away the formula to make everyone like an Elite.

They could have the loved classes system and scatter some of the specialist perks around the map for pick up items

[arctic grove]

That’s just my thought though, which I’m open to have changed, as I was about my comment and Y1 and end game reception which I think different about now

Like their gadgets? That wouldn’t be bad

Although honestly I think the worst solution I’ve seen forged for specialists is making them like BF2 (forgot their names), which just…

No

[flat fern]

Does anyone know how the Christmas tank got it？

[arctic grove]

The backlash to that was so large it’s scrapped

[flat fern]

i see someone has it

[arctic grove]

wat

[tepid agate]

Really loool

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE 😂 😂

[flat fern]

Unable to send pictures, private chat

[tepid agate]

Please send 😂

[arctic grove]

Okay wait what is that Dozer skin?

[tepid agate]

Dozer skin?

I'm still waiting to see 😄

[arctic grove]

I’ve literally never seen it before

@flat fern sorry for ping, show xeno too

[tepid agate]

Omg what is that

Modern warefare vibe

[arctic grove]

Looks like Ghost 2.0

I would’ve figured temporyal would have datamined those tho

[tepid agate]

@flat fern thanks can't believe this has happened 😄

[arctic grove]

It might be like, from a really cursed build of the game

[tepid agate]

MWII please send your nuke this way upon your release

[flat fern]

very shocked