battlefield-2042

[ripe jacinth]

yeah when they reboot the franchise

which i actually would be pretty excited about

[uncut bay]

highly doubt there are zero players

[copper elk]

Careful. Speedbug has been alerted

[fallen yarrow]

Yes, there are non-zero amount of players. But clearly not enough to support 3 game modes

[fallen yarrow]

Who?

[stone cradle]

Don't worry, the game going free on ea play will give it a considerate boost

[ripe jacinth]

speedbug, i think its a pokemon

[copper elk]

Sorry. Spudbug

Typo, lol

[fallen yarrow]

Sorry, dont know what you're talking about

[copper elk]

@scenic tartan

[arctic grove]

i think they blocked spud a while ago and thats why they said that

[ripe jacinth]

you know spudbug its like a potato with spider legs

[fallen yarrow]

Ya, I've had to block a bunch of 🤡 s on this server. Just not worth the effort trying to reason with them, even though it's entertaining some times

[copper elk]

Anyways. The changes to Kaleidoscope and Renewal do look promising

[arctic grove]

indeed

[copper elk]

So I guess there’s that

[wintry jasper]

EA/Dice doesn't have the courage to remake the game as it has to be done by putting back the classes, returning the server brownser, the destruction on the maps putting a gameplay like BF5, the atmosphere of war like BF1.

[velvet sand]

jesus, this whole video is them talking up how exciting "we're finishing development on the game we just sold you for full price" lol

[arctic grove]

all i care about is the in game store cosmetics and the new guns

[velvet sand]

like this is some huge achievement and not a basic-ass thing every developer does before they usually sell their game, or for smaller devs in early access. I guess DICE is a tiny indy dev now

[copper elk]

I personally never had a problem with map design like many do. But admittedly I’m a nightbird player.

[arctic grove]

contrary to my name i spend most of my time as infantry and yeah i didnt mind the maps either

[edgy oriole]

[uncut bay]

ea/dice don't have the courage to remake the game because it'd take a ridiculous amount of time and they'd be better off dropping support altogether. It's far too late to "remake" 2042, all they can do is slowly fix it

[ripe jacinth]

yes please give us half the amount of guns from bf4

[fallen yarrow]

The map design is pretty fucking bad from both infantry and vehicle perspective.

At least the flares work 90% of the times now...compared to launch

[arctic grove]

eh, just FXAA or M5 them

[velvet sand]

fuck, and the whole "Squad/social" part of the video is just them saying they want to make it better without saying anything more lol. What a time to be alive, 7 months post-launhc. Literally what have DICE been spending all this time doing?

[night minnow]

Better fix it then leave it, its still great game.

[velvet sand]

Because it sure doesn't seem like "focusing on 2042"

[copper elk]

The only map problem I can concede was completely stupid was launch Kaleidoscope Breakthrough. Ain’t nobody gettin the top of that tower. I’m glad they did fix that

[fallen yarrow]

What did they say about the squad/social aspect? Are they adding legacy features such as Creating/Managing Squads?

[ripe jacinth]

they should have never hired a warzone GM to run the game, he forced the devs to scrap what they had in favor for a battle royal and when that didnt work they had to pivot to what we have now which is a hodge of shit

[arctic grove]

i figured by team play theyd talk more about the refined ping changes they said theyd make when they announced the delay in March

but nah

[velvet sand]

"We know it's important and want to make it easier to play with friends" is the long and short of it, kek

[ripe jacinth]

yeah i didnt even bother listening to that "scripted by corporate" video i just watched a synopsis

[velvet sand]

I'm wasting my time now, and honestly it's kinda embarassing for DICE.

[fallen yarrow]

I remember the first month of BF2042 you couldn't even play with friends easily. Like you couldnt join on a friend that was already in game. Then all my friends stopped playing, so this stopped being a problem.....

[copper elk]

Tune in next month for changes the following month

[ripe jacinth]

yeah tune in for more updates on our updates

[velvet sand]

I just love the repeated "we are unshackling ourselves from 128 players" like holy shit DICE way to focus on shitting on the literal KEY SELLING POINT for your busted-ass game.

[fallen yarrow]

"Just make a party and then queue for the game" you may say....but Persistent Data Error said "No"

[hidden sand]

Damn, looks like content support for Portal has been dropped. Only 1 map with season 1.

[velvet sand]

That's such terrible messaging yet they keep repeating "unshackling" and like...jesus christ do they not realize how bad it looks/sounds for them to talk about it this way?

[velvet sand]

No word on what's coming in Portal in S1 specifically...if anything at all lol.

[arctic grove]

its all about the word choice that makes it seem more suuuuuuuuuuubtle

[hidden sand]

No, but they clarified its one map.

[ripe jacinth]

speaking of portal wasnt there supposed to be a really in-depth logic editor so you could essentially make your own "campagin" levels?

i feel like seeing that advertised pre launch

[velvet sand]

For AOW at least, they haven't been more specific about Portal.

[fallen yarrow]

When people were shitting on DICE for releasing tone-deaf skins instead of fixing the game, a lot of people would say "They are different teams working on different parts of the game", which is correct. My questions is - What have the content teams being doing since November?

[ripe jacinth]

not getting paid

[velvet sand]

A very good and fair question that DICE will not answer.

[ripe jacinth]

so not working if i had to guess

[hidden sand]

They are so hesitant to talk about specialist, it's honestly frustrating. That roadmap was rough though, I think I'm just going to drop the game and sit back and occasionally check for news. I cannot believe it's this minimal after so long.

[velvet sand]

I keep saying, the interns are running live-service. I hate shitting on the hard-working devs that are likely busting their butts working on the game but like...literally it doesn't show.

[arctic grove]

working on the next hero shooter... well some are possibly working on the next bf game.

[ripe jacinth]

i also think the PR for these companies are really hesitant to release any information on fear that it will cause a lash back and its safer to just be shit on for staying silent then doing something and further dividing the fanbase

[velvet sand]

Aren't those the same thing?

[storm geode]

Same. HUGE let down. This is like trying to fix a sinking boat: patch one hole and two other pop up.

[severe oyster]

its looking bright

[velvet sand]

The problem is that all the holes are connected, but they think they can fix them one at a time. They can't.

[ripe jacinth]

cyberpunk did the same thing and when they came back and started talking about what they were doing finally they had scrapped over half the content they originally advertised was coming

i fear battlefield is about to do the same thing to 2042

[arctic grove]

No. i heard its a new installment

[hidden sand]

I am glad they're bringing over the BFV third person animation system, now we just need the first person system from it as well.

[iron tendon]

Bf2042 s4 and maybe s3 would come in 2023

[ripe jacinth]

i really want the game to do well but i dont think people are going to stick around for even season 3

i think theyll drop support pretty quick

[velvet sand]

Honestly, unless they have a ton of surprises (and it doesn't seem like it) for S1 I don't think it's gonna be the big relaunch they want/hope/think it will be.

[ripe jacinth]

s1 has to be a banger

[topaz field]

Yawwwwnn

[velvet sand]

They need to blow everyone away and instead we're getting "meh" at best from the look of it.

[cedar turtle]

Welp! My wife left me

[arctic grove]

when bf tries to be another game its not, PR would take a hit.

[worn whale]

They need Walter white

[ripe jacinth]

at least you have season 1 of 2042

[fallen yarrow]

I was really hoping for a TON of content for S1 if they had any hope of reviving the playerbase

[edgy oriole]

[hidden sand]

1 map for season 1 is not unexpected but I'm still disappointed to be honest.

[fallen yarrow]

At least 3-4 maps that are playable in AOW, 10+ weapons, 3-4 vehicles, etc

[arctic grove]

you and mostly everyone else thinks the same.

[ripe jacinth]

this exactly

[iron tendon]

At least they're bringing portal weapons to 2042

[fallen yarrow]

Hoping people at DICE think the same...

[iron tendon]

Some portal weapons

[velvet sand]

Yeah, bringing over Portal maps/guns is nice, but should have happened in spring when they delayed actual new content.

[iron tendon]

Ig

[fallen yarrow]

There's really no reason why they can't bring everything except the 1942 stuff into AoW

[velvet sand]

Sure there is: Effort. It takes time to bring over maps/guns, QA them to make sure they all work, and then tweak/balance them for AOW.

[fallen yarrow]

This is something they should have done latest by Jan, after the backlash regarding the lack of content. Would have been an easy solution to add more weapons/maps to the rotation without people having to go look into a separate part of the game (where progression was limited)

[hidden sand]

I'm pretty positive we're never getting a specialist feedback loop post at this point lol

[ripe jacinth]

yeah it feels like it should have been something to happen at the start of the year

[velvet sand]

JuSt pLay tHE FeaTUReD MoDEs

[fallen yarrow]

It didn't stop them from releasing broken maps and unbalanced weapons anyways

[fiery shoal]

for all we know this is just how long it takes to port it over

[velvet sand]

Sure it did, the lack of effort was why they were broken, unbalanced, and unfinished.

Well, poor planning* as I'm sure there was huge effort put in by the devs.

[arctic grove]

All for those holiday sales

[fallen yarrow]

I dont understand what's so hard to port over. They have all the functionality in portal. They have the ability to use 2042 equipment + vehicles in portal, etc.

[arctic grove]

Money is the reason why they had to release the alpha.

[fallen yarrow]

They already have the ability to mix and match the factions

[fiery shoal]

well considering none of us are devs of course none of us would understand

[fallen yarrow]

Well, it would have been nice of them to mention that it takes "6 months to port stuff and that's why we havent done it yet"

[velvet sand]

100% correct, though if the game/engine are so busted that it's immense work to copy content from Portal to AOW (or vice versa) that's uh...well...pretty bad : |

[ripe jacinth]

I think its best we just walk this puppy out to the farm and wait for the next battlefield

[fiery shoal]

i assume dice is lacking in some capacity to do this quickly, it seems simple on the outset, but i have no clue

[fiery shoal]

i dont get why people cant just put the game down and pick it up later...

[uncut bay]

people would call them liars. Literally no amount of communication will satisfy the community

[fallen yarrow]

And it's not like they have persistent servers in AoW, so they could just randomly spin up the 2042 ones and next round throw you into a BF3 one or something....

[analog stirrup]

Are NFT's added yet

[velvet sand]

Because some of us want to have the game we purchased for full price be good before like 16+ months post launch : |

[fiery shoal]

people want as much communication with a game studio as they do with their pretend gf

[uncut bay]

next year

[fallen yarrow]

In fact Portal already has the ability to have persistent servers with maps from across different games

[hidden sand]

I would love to know why they can't give their ideas on specialist, and just clarify that none of it is set in stone. We need to hear their ideas.

[velvet sand]

It absolutely will satisfy the community if there's good communication. We've just never seen that from DICE. Ever.

[velvet sand]

DICE is shy UwU

[fallen yarrow]

Sure some people might be upset, but surely some communication is better than none

[arctic grove]

more like OwO

[elder patrol]

Spaghetti

[velvet sand]

Honestly, feels like they still don't have a plan for specialists and are just buying more time.

[uncut bay]

you'd be surprised. The backlash from saying something people don't want to hear can be far worse than simply being silent until they have something substantial to say or show. You can see it in every community, people always want more communication and there are always those who say the studio isn't transparent enough

[fiery shoal]

NEED? no you dont

[analog stirrup]

Tom Henderson is your communication

[ripe jacinth]

I find that its hard for these large multi-division development studios to have one source of communication because no one is on the same page and to have one person be able to compile everything thats going on and be able to talk with the community is kind of a stretch

[hidden sand]

We need it to give them proper feedback before they make huge changes that may end being huge mistakes? Didnt think I needed to explain that but alright my guy

[ripe jacinth]

you see with smaller live service games they have these devs that are on social media everyday talking with consumers and i dont think dice have that luxury

[velvet sand]

Good thing they have multiple CM's and that community management of large, complex games with large communities (which BF2042 doesn't have lol) is fairly standard across multiple games.

[fiery shoal]

could you imagine if any game studio is open about their ideas, consumers would rage all the time that they didnt get X thing in a sinle tweet, or Y thing was slightly different and now its "false advertising"

[fiery shoal]

still no though..

[ripe jacinth]

yes but they simply dont ever

[hidden sand]

Wrong. The Dead Space Remake dev team are literally showing their entire development process, in-engine even, with numerous work in progress ideas.

[ripe jacinth]

if youve ever worked corporate retail you see these teams all the time and they are so out of the loop its like how is the company a success

[arctic grove]

if they are buying more time then i hope they fix the skins.

[ripe jacinth]

they may have these teams but theyre wildly disassociated

[fiery shoal]

just because you found 1 example doesnt make it wrong.. thats some weird thinking

[velvet sand]

I mean...there are plenty that are WAY more transparent and communicative. GGG is with Path of Exile and their CM's are excellent and super knowledgeable despite the insane depth of the game. Sure community is usually still always angry, but can't change that either way but the increased communication helps tamp down the most extreme backlashes usually.

[velvet sand]

FFXIV Remake was basically purely open development with the community, lol. This isn't as unheard of as you seem to think it is.

[fiery shoal]

never said it was unheard of...

[hidden sand]

That are numerous examples, but that one was more fitting because it's another studio working with frostbite.

[ripe jacinth]

these are remakes tho

[velvet sand]

"can you imagine if..." we don't have to imagine, we have multiple successful real-world examples.

[ripe jacinth]

not brand new triple A titles that cant reveal development bc of obvious NDAs and shit

[fiery shoal]

"Sure community is usually still always angry" we are basically in agreeance because this is what im am mostly saying, and yet you are trying to argue what/why?

[ripe jacinth]

lets be honest the nerd community is the worst

[velvet sand]

Because your posts seem to trend towards, "It's not a perfect fix to community being unhappy so don't do it." which is wrong.

[little dust]

why's the renewal map update pushed until season 2..?

[ripe jacinth]

we're such a loud angry bunch and everyone thinks theyre opinion is the only valid one

[cedar turtle]

To be fair, my opinion is the only one that matters.

[fiery shoal]

good thing i pick my words for their definitions and if i intended to say anything else i would..

[ripe jacinth]

so maybe we shouldnt let our devs be open to the community

[velvet sand]

Because too much work to update one map and build one more in 7 months.

[ripe jacinth]

we need to protect the ones we love, keep them safe so they can make a good game in peace

[analog stirrup]

and maybe we shouldn't buy their games

[ripe jacinth]

i pay ea directly

[velvet sand]

That's what CM's exist for, to be that buffer between the community and the developers and to process/filter information giong both ways...at least theoretically (not so much for DICE)

[cedar turtle]

As gamers we must unite and rise up

[ripe jacinth]

i never bought 2042 haha i just do the game pass

[little dust]

from what they're showing it looks pretty well done tho.. seems odd to just delay it, going to have a few month gap of new kaleidoscope but no renewal... just seems off

[hidden sand]

Ignorant to think sharing ideas wouldn't be a good way to gain trust and communicate with the community. Another example would be Dennis Brannväll, who would directly go on twitter and ask people about ideas they have way before any actual production. This worked great for SWBF2, and really helped people trust DICE.

[cedar turtle]

You think people call him Dennis the Menace for fun?

[velvet sand]

This. Plus it would help DICE course-correct if their ideas are way off-base with community (like with the whole-ass game so far, lol)

[ripe jacinth]

yeah but picture youre dice making the new battlefield while activision is making the new call of duty and youre revealing all your development ideas to randos for feedback and activision is like oh yeah those are goooood

[fiery shoal]

good thing i didnt say any of that.. only pointed out the other can of works that would come from being that open to consumers and the potential backlash if things didnt go down exactly as someone stated... weve already seen that happen too

[ripe jacinth]

they literally cant get your feedback without compromising their product

[velvet sand]

Yeah...these aren't exactly huge corporate secrets, and it's far too late for CoD's installment this year to make any adjustments based off anything DICE would reveal, if anything would even fit for the devs to copy.

[velvet sand]

They can, and developers do all the time. DICE is just unique in this.

[ripe jacinth]

i was speaking pre release during development

[velvet sand]

Ah, makes sense. I thought wyou were still talking about post-launch like...nowish.

[fiery shoal]

im always amazed how people can jump to the most insane conclusions...

[hidden sand]

That's why they clarify heavily that everything they say or show is WIP. That is what the dead space team is doing and it's working alright.

[ripe jacinth]

now they should absolutely be in a constant feedback loop

you cant keep comparing new titles to a remake tho

[fiery shoal]

you say that like it will help.. people have been misquoting what dice says forever now.. people cant even get the "love letter" quote right ffs

[arctic grove]

bunch of incels and degens. lmao. i include myself.

[ripe jacinth]

i think they prefer to be called simps now

[arctic grove]

LMAO true

[velvet sand]

And even more, THEY ARE RESPONDING DIRECTLY TO EARLY FEEDBACK and already changed how some weapons behave in response to feedback.

[ripe jacinth]

tbh idk i just say it so i can sound young and hip

[arctic grove]

play fortnut now u can be young and hip

[hidden sand]

Though, it's bizarre that map changes are taking this long

[topaz field]

lmaoo

[fiery shoal]

fortnite no build is actually pretty fun

[hidden sand]

I wonder if Playtesting is holding it back from going at a quicker pace

[velvet sand]

Still convinced DICE maxed out their budget for maps and are having to find places to cut complexity to give them more freedom to add cover.

[arctic grove]

I think the devs are just inexperienced. They had no clue what a bf game is and now they are just learning.

[analog stirrup]

that's obvious

[edgy oriole]

we need to cut support from last gen to speed up new gen

[velvet sand]

So mixture of bad map creation tools (for some reason, it's the only other explanation I can think of) + needing to do a ton of work to the map to reduce complexity before they can even start prototyping changes.

[karmic cobalt]

Yeah they had said themselves that they can’t even add any more civilian vehicles because of that kind of stuff

[arctic grove]

Why would EA give them a budget? if I want to make an epic game then logic says it will cost alot of money.

[velvet sand]

Budget as in polygon budget etc., the maps as-is are basically stressing hardware so they can't add a ton more complexity without making consessions elsewhere to reduce complexity.

[karmic cobalt]

Sounds more like budget for more assets performance-wise not money

[arctic grove]

Ahh i see what u mean now.

[hidden sand]

Nah no reason to think it's bad level design tools. It's likely playtesting and a lack of resources to actually do it because of what you said prior.

But why they aren't doing a CTE will never cease to amaze me lol.

Would be so valuable right now but ah well.

[fiery shoal]

considering current performance, adding anything to the maps is probably adding more problems so they are optimizing maps

[hidden sand]

But also, I really hope the third person animation improvements means there is possibility the first person animation system from BFV will return as well. The current system is a big downgrade and is a huge reason why the game feels so cheap.

Yeah optimization too, I bet that is taking a while. I'm sure they were still working on the season 1 map as well.

Just one big jumble of a horid development pipeline lol.

[sour meadow]

RIP another failed Battlefield gamemode

[velvet sand]

I'd be super curious to see if the post from some guy on reddit on this topic is accurate. He did polygon counts for a ton of "clutter" and noted that it's extremely high for a lot of really minor details in the game. That'd explain some of the really bad performance, and it's like FFXIV 1.0 when the player character model had the same number of polygons as...a standard potted plant placed all over a main city lol.

[sour meadow]

incursions, firestorm, and now hazard zone

[hidden sand]

Apparently a lot of it was heightmaps fooling him into thinking they were modeled but I could wrong about that.

[chilly oak]

whats everyone most hyped about?

[sour meadow]

specialist rework

[chilly oak]

the new map 100%

[velvet sand]

Another 3 months of a dumpster fire to roast marshmallows around.

But hopefully it'll be good for folks that are sticking with it.

[sour meadow]

i really want a full player count

that's not just steam count

[velvet sand]

Why? Either there are enough players to find matches easily or there aren't, the actual player numbers aren't super important.

[hidden sand]

This is going to be one dry season thats for sure

[sour meadow]

i'm just curious is all

also i swear to god, the devs who made the easter eggs in bf1 that led to the peacekeeper were able to see into the future

like look at this. the dog tags for that easter egg each had a description.

[hidden sand]

I just hope the new vehicles are interesting
But one disappointing thing in the new post was zero mention of vehicle improvements, further confirming my suspicion that they are a lost cause

[sour meadow]

this is for the "A Beginning" tag, "I believe I've intercepted messages meant for another. Ciphers and mysteries, it's too intriguing. I cannot ignore what I have stumbled upon"

[velvet sand]

I guess we'll find out more in the first/second week of June when they do the full reveal. What rhymes with June? Boom.

[sour meadow]

A Conflict: "The voices have been silent far too long. (Former)
This is bigger than I thought. I may have witnessed horrors more unnatural than the war itself. The trail I now follow could lead me straight to the source. I must press on. "

An Omen: "Their operation is falling apart. Every lead I follow uncovers abandoned posts and failed experiments. Is this incompetence or sabotage? I believe I have a newfound cause to uncover these secrets"

call me a crack pot idc. these mfs knew DICE was going down the toilet

[hidden sand]

I'm betting season 1 actually does start in early June and isn't DICE talk, I'd imagine a lot of it was already done but other things took attention away from it

Would be nice to have something start early for once, that's for sure

[noble fable]

anyone wana play on ps?

[olive lake]

I just genuinely hope progression gets uncapped by then because I'd come back with zero complaints if they did that.

[velvet sand]

DICE seems extremely opposed to the idea in general, so probably never happening : /

[olive lake]

Then they are outright scamming people if that's the case.

[noble fable]

its ea man XD

[cedar turtle]

I was hoping they were going to add fishing to 2042

[olive lake]

https://twitter.com/BattlefieldComm/status/1459317828545298437

Yeah but still. This post exists.

[solar minnow]

I can't believe were only getting one map.

[noble fable]

one SMALL map

[velvet sand]

sadge

[solar minnow]

I knew season 1 wouldn't live up to the hype.

[arctic grove]

OnE Small Map

[olive lake]

The thing is, even if S1 gets the smallest additions imaginable. I'd STILL look past ALL of that if I could just progress through AOW Solo/Co-op at least.

[hidden sand]

For the weapons I'm guessing we get 3 or 4

[olive lake]

I'm not hard to please. If I had that, I'd be happy.

[noble fable]

they spent half of season one trying to fix the half broken game, hope it picks up again

[hidden sand]

The vehicles will absolutely only be two

[cedar turtle]

car1 and car2

[solar minnow]

So much for calling it All out Warfare.

[noble fable]

XD

[craggy marten]

All Out Nothing

Man why can't we have nice things in the current big AAA FPS market nowadays?

[velvet sand]

All Out Disappointment

[craggy marten]

Everyone's become complacent.

[solar minnow]

At this point I think this is really all they can do. I'm expecting the rest of the seasons to be like this.

[velvet sand]

publishers are too greedy, so Halo/CoD/BF were all shit this past year

[craggy marten]

DICE, all of the COD devs, and the Halo devs, literally all of the big boys are sucking off.

[calm bison]

It’ll be interesting to see how they convert the portal maps to AOW and how they fit them into the lore

[hidden sand]

Lol at the fact they're including the may update as season 1 content

[calm bison]

Because every map in AOW has some kind of story behind it

[solar minnow]

they won't fit into the lore..

[craggy marten]

Simple: historical flashback operations

[calm bison]

Sorta like Second Assault?

[velvet sand]

Gotta do everything to make the lackluster S1 seem more exciting!

[craggy marten]

Or fake simulations for the WW2 sections

[olive lake]

Because competitive is everything

[solar minnow]

the lore has literally been through out the window.

[olive lake]

Oh and if you prefer PvE well piss off.

[calm bison]

They might not use the WW2 maps

[craggy marten]

How is it competitive if even the competitive ones are leaving.

[hidden sand]

No they're not, nvm, I misread the image like a dumbass

[solar minnow]

I mean there will be a WW2 map.

[velvet sand]

If a game isn't an esport, is it even a game?

[olive lake]

You'd be surprised. There's a lot of people with sensitive egos.

[calm bison]

They’re gonna have to do an asset flip

[craggy marten]

That's not competitive in the slightest, if you want competition make the people be invested into what makes the competition fun.

[olive lake]

People so insistent that anything they earned through 'skill' they should keep.

[calm bison]

It’d be jarring to be fighting a war in 2042 and have a 1940s car next to you

[mossy badge]

wait for

[solar minnow]

if they take this long to transform one map to fit the lore and realism then they aren't changing the WW2 map/

[mossy badge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/140933721929940992/977284226812616824/gifmw_1.gif

[craggy marten]

Like what, endless high kd on COD that gets them in really shitty lobbies that then make them wanna give up playing due to how nonsense it is?

[hidden sand]

BoTB remake might be the most half assed map in the game tbh

[mossy badge]

just 14 days left

[calm bison]

I don’t really see how

[hidden sand]

They're not going to rework the portal maps though

[solar minnow]

it's a bfv map.

[calm bison]

Battle of the Bulge isn’t in BFV

[craggy marten]

Joe Cecot (one of the people who worked on MW19) said it himself, he wants good players to get bad experiences and bad players to do good.

[solar minnow]

yeah, but it was cut from bfv to put into 2042.

[calm bison]

This is true

[olive lake]

I'm talking more people gatekeeping others from having fun. That they earned everything through skill alone and that everyone should have to do the same instead of putting time in to get it. There's a difference between those two.

[calm bison]

And so was the M10 and B17

[craggy marten]

And what did it cost the franchise after everyone wanted to replicate his style for two more game in a row? Lost 60 MILLION PLAYERS in the process.

[hidden sand]

What? You know this how?

[olive lake]

Way I see it, everyone should earn stuff by putting time in. Doesn't matter how.

[craggy marten]

Alongside all of the other bad decisions in game.

[olive lake]

Nobody should have to get stuff through 'skill' unless that's how they want to earn their stuff.

[solar minnow]

it was leaked from one of the devs that quit after they stop bfv live service.

[calm bison]

While there is nothing to confirm that this was supposed to be a BFV map, the use of BFV assets and the fact that the T34 Calliope in BFV has a snow variant could attribute to this

[olive lake]

Bottom line. We should get stuff however we wish. Whether its in a chill, grindy manner or a competitive skillful manner.

[hidden sand]

The use of BFV assets is not evidence because of course they're going to use them lol

Why would they remake assets they already have

[solar minnow]

Yeah, cause the the next update for bfv was western front..

[calm bison]

I mean update 7.0 was the western front

[solar minnow]

before they cancelled it.

[craggy marten]

What maps would have been included in Western Front?

[calm bison]

And that added P51s and Greyhounds and the Americans to twisted steel

[solar minnow]

battle of the budge was on the list of leaked maps.

[calm bison]

I’m largely upset the Americans never got a good urban map in BFV

Provence is fun but I want something like Devastation for the US

And Japan needs some love in BFV

[solar minnow]

yeah it sucks. I like the faction but they never got their full potential.

[calm bison]

I would say BFV deserved more content at least until October or November 2020

They really left the pacific small

[craggy marten]

But then they wouldn't make the best game of all time- 2042

[hidden sand]

Reminds me of the rebels in SWBF2, left so unfinished because of cut support

[calm bison]

No Okinawa, Guadalcanal, Coral Sea, Midway, and all that

I could care less for the eastern front

Yeah it would be cool to have but when you have these theaters of war and you did nothing with them it kinda hurts

[solar minnow]

they reused assets from both live services.

which is stupid and why they lost a lot of good people.

[velvet sand]

re-using assets is fine as long as the assets are good and what they make with them is good

[honest comet]

bf5 is like 4 years old, i think it did its job

[velvet sand]

it's fairly industry standard to re-use assets wherever possible since it saves a ton of money and there's no reason for every single asset to be bespoke, especially with players not noticing a great many of them with any detail.

[solar minnow]

like there is still a prototype of map left unfinished for SWBF2.

[hidden sand]

Somehow nearly every asset they've reused looks worse than their original games lol
I'm really curious as to how that works but go off DICE

[calm bison]

20 maps. 20 maps. BF1 had like 30. BFV deserved better

[solar minnow]

doesn't mean it's ethical if they get caught.

[velvet sand]

...ethical? What the fuck do ethics have to do with anything?

[calm bison]

What makes this weird is that BF games that take 3 years instead of 2 are usually better in some regard to previous titles. But this game had 3 years to cook in the oven and they gave us this?

[honest comet]

still 4y old game, not all can have same amount of maps lol

[calm bison]

Look how much content BF1 launched with

Codex
9 maps
A good selection of weapons (that were inflated by variants
5 solid campaigns
And like 10 gamemodes

[velvet sand]

CAMPAIGNS. 2042 launched without one and still had less core content than BF1/V.

[calm bison]

BF2042 would’ve had a killer campaign since the lore was so well thought out this time

[velvet sand]

wut...lore...thought out?

[solar minnow]

because it's okay to reuse assets for games that they were made for but it's not for games it's not but that comes down the opinion I guess.

[lime hedge]

Hottake, but the reason game development is slow is because od the combination of impatient playerbase threatening developers, lack of knowledge for the new game engine and forced deadline with EA shareholders

[calm bison]

You don’t release a podcast, a short movie, several online journals, and an entire timeline of the story of your game if you don’t care about lore

[velvet sand]

I mean, you can think that's bad and that's fine. But it's 100% industry standard practice across the board. There's literally no reason to remake something if you have a good existing asset - that's just time and money spent on pointlessly remaking something for the sake or remaking it that could go into making the games better in other areas.

[velvet sand]

Sure you do, which is why none of that lore is remotely present in-game and why you need to go out of the game to find literally all of it, lol.

[honest comet]

it launched with 9 maps

bf1

and bf5 had 8 at launch

[calm bison]

Exposure better be good

[grave prism]

yo are the servers dogshit lately, swear the past 2 - 3 days im getting big lag spikes in the game, look at my ping and it is 270 ish sometimes, normally about 55. its more annoying when it jumps between 55 to 120 ish.

[calm bison]

It’s battlefield man

[grave prism]

my internet is fine, done multiple speed tests, nothing wrong there

[calm bison]

I had a ping of like 40 on 2042 once when siege had 25

[desert elbow]

They’ve reused assets since the 2000s though

[honest comet]

idk my ping is good never had server ping issues

[desert elbow]

It saves development time

[solar minnow]

I would check your channel bonding if your getting lag spikes. You could be bouncing off others.

[honest comet]

what did they reuse?

[solar minnow]

it's just a opinion. Doesn't mean you have to get hot and bothered by it.

[grave prism]

i apologise, i told the moderators i would not fight or argue. my deep condolonces for this foolishness of mine behaviour.

[solar minnow]

I understand it saves time.

[calm bison]

They reused the same bunker asset across both Bad Company games, BF3, and BF4

[edgy oriole]

[calm bison]

They reused the same staircase house asset between BF1 and BFV

[solar minnow]

I guess I would prefer if battle of budge was in bfv instead of 2042.

[honest comet]

i dont really care about that tho lol

[calm bison]

BF2042 and BFV share the same hangar, Stuka, Spitfire, Sherman, Church, and barn assets

[grave prism]

ya i would too, if they scrapped this game and did another 2 years of support for 5 i would be a lot happier than them making future bf 2042 content lmao

[slate mist]

hype

[calm bison]

And the same barracks assets

[solar minnow]

Small assets are fine. I'm talking about a full on map.

[honest comet]

isnt it suposed to be only on portal tho

[calm bison]

Yes

[honest comet]

isnt portal like goin back to old maps etc

[calm bison]

Not for long it seems

[desert elbow]

Full on map?

[calm bison]

I mean DICE considered bringing Amiens to BFV

[solar minnow]

yeah battle of the budge was part of the wester front DLC for bfv

[honest comet]

like portal is literally meant to be old bf maps from what i know, so whats the problem with reusing assets lol

or maps

[solar minnow]

they took it and put into 2042 instead of finishing bfv on a high note.

[calm bison]

They’re putting portal maps into AOW

So it sorta becomes a problem

[velvet sand]

That's literally the whole point of Portal dude...it's old maps and guns and classes from old games but you can play them in 2042 Portal mode.

[slate mist]

i think the future is getting brighter for this game

[calm bison]

We have yet to see

[honest comet]

will be

[forest snow]

was happy to hear and excited about the new animations they are adding

[calm bison]

DICE has been pretty good on fixing this game but good god they need to go and remaster the portal reloads

90% of them are just reused reloads from AOW

[honest comet]

its gonna be top game, and when next bf comes out its gonna be like 2042 was best one bla bla

[noble fable]

same as bf4

[slate mist]

the aow reloads are pretty good tho

[arctic grove]

bf4 and bf1 are the best ones

[slate mist]

they took a course at the mw2019 school of reloads

[calm bison]

They are, but when I see the same tactical reload from the Glock on my M1911, somethings got to change

[slate mist]

true

[arctic grove]

V was decent but lacked content

[calm bison]

Like at least they changed up the MP443 reload

[honest comet]

nananana so guys what do ya think when is s1 gonna drop next month?

[calm bison]

Same day they revealed the game

[slate mist]

na they wouldnt do that to themselves would they

[calm bison]

It’d be kinda funny

[honest comet]

it would tho lol

[calm bison]

In a cosmic sort of way

[honest comet]

that would be proper swag lol

[velvet sand]

What rhymes with June? Boom.

[slate mist]

tom henderson is now my enemy

he got me hyped for the game and then i got the game

[calm bison]

I just don’t like him for some reason

[solar minnow]

you think tom will be right this time?

[calm bison]

Unlikely

[velvet sand]

Always take leakers with many grains of salt, even if they have pretty good track records.

[slate mist]

no tom is a fucking liar

[honest comet]

thing with leakers is they sometimes right sometime not, theres lot ideas in backlog of games that may or may not ever be inplemented

[calm bison]

Unless DICE pulls a fucking wild card and makes Season 1 the best season of any FPS, it seems like Tom will not be correct

[velvet sand]

No, he's a leaker. Which means he won't have "full" or 100% accurate information. He even says this himself, if you believe him 100% that's on you, bro.

[desert elbow]

Do you have proof?

[slate mist]

ill admit im gullible

[dusky blade]

Didn’t you play the beta?

[slate mist]

"the build is months old"

[hidden sand]

The video showcased a few more animation improvements unlike the gif does

[solar minnow]

just look it up. it's not that hard to find.

[hidden sand]

Crouching and prone no longer look really odd, which is good

[solar minnow]

D-day was suppose to come too.

[calm bison]

This is not true

[eternal storm]

who here plays 2042 on pc

[calm bison]

The Bangalore was spotted in the files, but references to D-Day are relegated to a lighter charm

[desert elbow]

Just did, found no proof that a BoB map or D Day were ever even created in the first place

[tacit sphinx]

it’s quite easy to say “just look it up” but weirdly it tends to mean you read it in a random reddit comment

[calm bison]

There’s concept art for an image that looks sorta maybe like Point Du Hoc but that’s still a long shot

[hidden sand]

Yeah not finding anything on it myself

[radiant prism]

Yeah…that’s just not true lmao. It would go entirely against BFVs premise of lesser known battles

[calm bison]

They did start to go towards popular battles towards the end

Iwo Jima, Solomon Islands, Operation Dragoon, Market Garden

[hidden sand]

Well they dropped that philosophy near the end but still

[tacit sphinx]

tbf yeah iwo jima and stuff are more well known, it's more just that there is no evidence for battle of the bulge etc being planned other than "trust me bro"

[calm bison]

And the battle of narvik and Arras are pretty popular

[solar minnow]

It's in the game files. just look up a datamine video like the one where they showed cut guns.

[hidden sand]

It's unlikely any maps were in any form of production post pacific

[tacit sphinx]

send a link then

[calm bison]

Cut guns does not imply a new map

[tacit sphinx]

if it's easy to find but seemingly no-one has seen it/can find it

[calm bison]

And no, just because a staghound skin in BFV reads Battle of the Bulge doesn’t mean it’s gonna be in the game

There’s a Tiger skin called Anzio but we ain’t got Italy in BFV

[slate mist]

yes we do

[calm bison]

Where

Marita and Mercury are in Greece

[slate mist]

oh they are?

[calm bison]

Yes

[hidden sand]

Didn't one of the US tanks have Edward Teach on it? or am I misremembering

[radiant prism]

Very specifically early war Greece lol

[calm bison]

Mercury is named after Operation Mercury, the German invasion of Crete

[calm bison]

The Calliope and it was a different last name

[radiant prism]

Thatch maybe?

[hidden sand]

Ah yeah that

[calm bison]

It’s Edward thatch

[tacit sphinx]

i dont remember who that is referencing though

edward teach would be blackbeard

[calm bison]

Blackbeard

[radiant prism]

Dammit

You beat me to it @tacit sphinx

[calm bison]

Edward Teach (alternatively spelled Edward Thatch, c. 1680 – 22 November 1718), better known as Blackbeard

[tacit sphinx]

oh nvm apparently he was also edward thatch

[hidden sand]

Maybe it's a reference to him then

[radiant prism]

Probably yeah

[tacit sphinx]

those two words are. not that similar lol why is he called that

[calm bison]

Maybe it’s the rocket mounting looking like a ship’s cannon fire when it’s fired?

[sacred wedge]

Cause people knew their names but not how to spell them back then

[calm bison]

Also accents

[sacred wedge]

Hence he probably used both Teach and Thatch

[radiant prism]

I mean Jack is short for John, English names are full of bullshit

[hidden sand]

LOL

[calm bison]

English is full of bullshit

[tacit sphinx]

yeah quite possibly lol

[calm bison]

There our many weighs two spell

[hidden sand]

This might be it, because I'm not finding any true ww2 stories about it

[tacit sphinx]

anime pirate

[calm bison]

What the fuck

[radiant prism]

I think it was just a cool nickname to have, not much further reading into it than that lol

[sacred wedge]

It makes reading old documents fun cause the signatures from the same person will either be an “x” or different last names.

[solar minnow]

just look up DICE Producer Jojje Dalunde. he's the one who pretty much spilled the beans with cut content and how it's reused.

[radiant prism]

Why don’t you link this stuff you’re talking about Uhzu instead of making us hunt for it?

[calm bison]

I mean look at the pirates movies, none of the antagonists could say sparrow correctly

[sacred wedge]

A lot of the time the signature line would be pre-drafted by somebody who actually could read and the signer just had to trust it was accurate.

[calm bison]

Except for Barbossa

[radiant prism]

If it’s so easy to find, there’s probably a reason none of us have found it

[hidden sand]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALK98z9eeDU

Here's a video on it from lossy

[tacit sphinx]

anyway i'm arguably most excited to get some portal guns in 2042

[sacred wedge]

Society with a ~25-30% literacy rate be like that.

[tacit sphinx]

the g3 and AS val possibly most so, also the lmgs like the 240b

[radiant prism]

I’m more happy about getting more maps, particularly Arica Harbor

[velvet sand]

Honestly, so far the most exciting part of S1 is legit DICE adding Portal maps/guns to AOW lol.

[sterile hollow]

I just realized dice really thinks adding dirt and beards to character faces, and giving them new voice lines is going to instill gritty warfare feel. J Johnna Jameson laughing. "You serious!"

[hidden sand]

Speaking of that, if you make the playercount 32 only on Portal, will it use the actual conquest variants of the BC2 maps?

[radiant prism]

Maybe…but I’m still excited to see what new content they actually add

[hearty flame]

the best parts of s1 is recycled content lol

[tacit sphinx]

yeah portal maps will be nice to get as well, for me it's effectively new content because i've played most of them probably as many times as i can count on one hand

[radiant prism]

If it’s good content, who cares if it’s recycled?

[velvet sand]

I'm curious, but based on the tidbits and knowing it's only one map I'm kinda a lot less excited than when we thought they were going to blow us away with a ton of fresh content in S1.

[solar minnow]

yeah, people say it's a standard in the industry so it's fine.

[velvet sand]

That's not what was said when we were talking about re-using assets.

[hidden sand]

I mean tbf it's not really anything new to those of us who've been playing mostly Portal. Important to keep that in mind.

[solar minnow]

I'm just pulling your leg.

[velvet sand]

I have a bad leg, don't do that : (

[white geyser]

2142 needs to be added in the portal and BF4 too. 2142 has Titan mode and nice maps even there not that bad, BF4 I want the ocean map where you can use the attack boats and city maps too.

[tacit sphinx]

i did think it would be more along the lines of 2/potentially 3 new maps in aow but honestly imo this is what should have been done with portal, have the mode editor as a cool thing but have the content itself integrated with AOW either new stuff or remastered old maps

[hidden sand]

I want new content rather than just moving content into a playlist and calling it content, and thankfully they haven't called it that yet, but still.

[solar minnow]

it's "New content".

[fallen yarrow]

DICE should add the 2142 walkers with 2x pre-nerf 30mms and make them as tanky as the transport vehicles

[hidden sand]

Imo, AOW should have never been a thing and Portal with Official Servers for each era should have been the main mode.

[tacit sphinx]

yeah, it's obviously not new but functionally for a lot of people (including me) it probably is lol, i'm definitely not complaining

[velvet sand]

I'm honestly surprised they're not pivoting to make Portal the "core" mode at this point. It seems to make so much more sense.

[hearty flame]

when the best things about 2042 are from the past bfs lol

[copper fulcrum]

Everybody shush

Mackay is growing a beard

[sterile hollow]

Its a stander of lazy industry that thinks its to big to fail. this game would have succeeded a lot more if it was just battlefield portal a remasterd and updated version of all past BF multiplayer maps and items.

[fallen yarrow]

"It seems to make so much more sense." ...this is exactly why they're not doing it

[hidden sand]

I'm not complaining either I just worry about them using it in place of proper new content. They did similar things with SWBF2 when they weren't able to produce actual content.

[solar minnow]

DICE didn't make portal though. it's ripple effect which we haven't heard anything from them.

[sterile hollow]

and yet its still better than what ever dice did

[solar minnow]

true

[hidden sand]

Making sense has never really been apart of DICEs pipeline these days lol

[hearty flame]

this wouldnt be the first time dice la saved dice stockholms ass

[tacit sphinx]

i do like his new look but also the fact that reddit has been railing on his appearance since like day 1 when he just looks like a regular guy is funny, especially when you consider the stereotypes of redditors and gamers as a whole which aren't exactly not grounded in reality

[velvet sand]

I'm hoping they have some exciting Portal updates planned for S1, especially with core content seeming to be a map, a specialist, and a few guns/vehicles : |

[copper fulcrum]

I bet you a good portion of the people who hate his design look like him

[velvet sand]

DICE are still struggling to find an "unqualified" win 8 months post-launch : |

[solar minnow]

only one map is coming to season 1 and it's small map for AOW.

they didn't even talk about portal.

[fallen yarrow]

Why couldn't they have retained BFV's character customization?

[hidden sand]

No new portal content for season 1 so I'd imagine they've lost a lot of their leeway in terms of that.
Taking in the context of that previous survey, I'd imagine that we're only getting creation tools for Portal from now on.

[copper fulcrum]

I'm wondering if Casper x Mackay is a thing now

[tacit sphinx]

wtf mackay isnt peak masculinity gigachad

[velvet sand]

Mackay lookalike reporting in, I don't want to see my dumbass self in this game : |

[tacit sphinx]

now? always has been

[copper fulcrum]

He looks like a normal guy

[turbid schooner]

so I read this thing somebody said, and I am sure their not the first one to point out this idea but I do agree its a good one. if dice wants to keep the specialists they can, but they could do what starwars battlefront 2 did where you save up points during a match and play as that certain hero. so you can play as a class base foot soldier without being forced to play as a specialist.

[hearty flame]

when improving a game means getting rid of content lol

[copper fulcrum]

wdym always?

[hidden sand]

I mean I'd rather have more creation tools (Like a level editor, for instance) if it means we can make our own maps, fix level design issues, etc.

[hearty flame]

nah just get rid of specialists and move their stuff into gadgets. they tried their new idea, people hate it and so dice should just admit it didnt work like hz and get rid of it

[copper fulcrum]

Not exactly an easy task

[velvet sand]

Except none of those maps would have full XP progress so we're back to the same problem lol.

[tacit sphinx]

a few people have said this and it's... not a good idea "oh boy if you get enough points you can play as... basically just another class with a special gadget that is largely not that different to what could be included anyway"

[hearty flame]

dont think frostbite is built with mods in mind or that ea is gonna give away some access to their engine

[sterile hollow]

git rid of the 2042 stuff ad focus on portal

[hidden sand]

I mean they're the ones who suggested a level editor in that survey. Just to add though, frostbite already has a level editor. They wouldn't need to make one from scratch.

[tacit sphinx]

yeah people making their own maps would... honestly not work that well imo, people shit on dice for bad map design and yeah the cover and flow isn't perfect but like 80% of maps would be just a few random platforms if you gave full tools to the community

[velvet sand]

Imagine if Ripple largely exists to give players the tools to create good content and then actively curate/promote it, while DICE focuses on adding more Portal maps/modes/guns/different BF games.

[tacit sphinx]

being able to custom place a few objectives and maybe certain map objects could possibly work, i don't think the community needs full map creation tools lol

[hearty flame]

if it takes a professional team several months to "rework" launch maps then its gonna take forever for modders to make their own maps

[velvet sand]

That's the dream, but it'll never happen because that's a fairly complex plan to execute.

[eternal storm]

yeah, they can still keep their precious skins, but just make everyone equal like cod

[desert elbow]

A level editor would honestly be amazing, I don’t think they’d trust the community with it though

[hidden sand]

I mean that's different context? You can't compare them lol.

[sterile hollow]

ah good old modded bf2 where any time period could be played and ww2 stuff you could pilot war ships

[copper fulcrum]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN!? (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

[hidden sand]

Why? They did during the refractor era, and people are still designing levels for BF1942 to BF2142 to this day.

[velvet sand]

nice pfp, facebones

[tacit sphinx]

you haven't heard the voiceline 👉

[copper fulcrum]

WHICH ONE

[hidden sand]

This isn't true though? Nearly 20 years of modding communities from BF1942 to BF2142 proves this incorrect. DICE back then gave out official level editing tools for their games, and people are still making well designed and seriously thought out levels. This is like saying Valve shouldn't support modding on their games because people can make shitposts with it lol.

[halcyon hatch]

Played 2042 for the first time in months, uninstalled after half a game

[hearty flame]

well this isnt really that dice anymore. and its eas proprietary engine. i dont think that ea is gonna have community tools developed

[hidden sand]

Again, a level editor already exists and Ripple Effect themselves suggested it.

[tacit sphinx]

i think with mods it's somewhat different because you have people dedicated to making good levels who actually have good ideas, they would still be there with in-game/officially supported tools but the vast, vast majority of it is just going to be shit that barely functions as a map

[hidden sand]

Okay? That's not really relevant to how useful it would be.

[solar minnow]

DICE back then would give us level editor. DICE now no. They act in their own interest. 2042 proves it.

[tacit sphinx]

like look at the portal browser and it's stuff like "battle of mariupol" lol

[velvet sand]

100%. Hence why active curation/promotion of good quality user-generated-content is absolutely critical to allow for it to thrive.

[fallen yarrow]

While 90% of the community won't make good use of the tools, the remaining 10% creates content that more than makes up for it. The common sense approach would be to have a map/experience voting system so players can see the top rated ones

[hidden sand]

Yep, exactly this.

[velvet sand]

User voting is usually not a good solution either, since often times users will vote up "bad" content simply because it makes farming easy etc.

[tacit sphinx]

from what i gather they mentioned making small changes to existing maps like custom flag/mcom placements and possibly placing specific cover objects, which yes is a level editor but it's not a level creator in the sense of from the ground up

[eternal storm]

id rather EA just do their job, theyre meant to be professionals and make them make good maps per the 60-100 they charged for this piece of shit

[fallen yarrow]

Ya, that's always the case. But there wont be 50 farming servers that are highly rated...just 1 or 2, which you can ignore

[hidden sand]

They also mentioned terrain editing, which would require a proper level editor. Because again, it's not like they would need to create one from the ground up. They already have one.

[fallen yarrow]

Just look at literally any other game that has modding tools/mod support, not every single mod is going to be great. But there are more than enough great mods that it makes having the tools available worth it

[hidden sand]

Absolutely

[copper fulcrum]

Oh boy, can't wait for

DUCK HUNT 2042

[tacit sphinx]

like i'm definitely not opposed to a full level creator but also i really don't see the community as a whole creating more than like. a very small handful of playable maps vs just weird shit. people kinda hyped up the portal mode editor in the same way and then you look at the player created portal modes and it's... that

[copper fulcrum]

I'm surprised no one made that yet

[hidden sand]

I'm curious if you could make something like this with the current rules editor lol

[hearty flame]

2042 prophunt

[copper fulcrum]

You totally can lol

[fallen yarrow]

That would work great as a test range/aim practice in 2042....

[copper fulcrum]

There's just not many good places for a duck hunt game type

[tacit sphinx]

probably like a hardcore mode or two, maybe a random rotation and then just weird shit where people are still trying to farm zombie style modes

[copper fulcrum]

There's already a few test ranges/aim practice modes in Portal. Shall I link one or two?

[quiet shell]

Ayo when is DICE adding 60 year old Russian tanks for immersion

[copper fulcrum]

emoji fail

[fallen yarrow]

@copper fulcrum appreciate the offer, but I'm scared of going into portal and having all my vehicle loadouts reset again

[hidden sand]

You're ignoring the context of the two tho. Creating Portal Experiences is far easier and is essentially "Yes or no" options with some sliders. Level editing is requires multiple, time consuming processes that are not going to produce results quickly the way Portal Experiences do. You can't really compare something like that.

[fallen yarrow]

Btw, that one wingsuit playground that someone made with the checkpoints made of bots arranged in a circle is a great example of creativity

[tacit sphinx]

? so making a decent map is significantly more effort than making a decent mode, basically just devolves even more

although to an extent it might just be the people who pump out random crap get 20 mins in and realise oh man this takes a while and just don't even bother trying to get a map done, or it looks like a minecraft superflat world

[copper fulcrum]

Whoa where these slimes comin' from

[tacit sphinx]

slime chunk time

[hidden sand]

Just because some people make low effort content with a tool doesn't mean that tool is not worth it. Especially given the fact it already exists, we just don't have access.

[copper fulcrum]

I can't wait for 30 Nuketowns

[hidden sand]

I'm just not really getting your argument because this goes for any modification tool yet great content comes out of pretty much all of them. SWBF2 having fan-made, built from the ground up, mod tools is a good example of the lengths people will go to add things to games.

[tacit sphinx]

i mean again i'm absolutely not opposed to a level creation tool, i just don't really see it being used in a good way for the vast majority of instances and thus i don't think ea/dice would be willing to give it the go ahead, they already have to feature modes that half the time are just knockoff versions of existing party modes from CoD or something

[hidden sand]

I mean there's far more to suggest it being used properly than otherwise, but I think I'll end this discussion here

[arctic grove]

[tacit sphinx]

a level editor with some control over small areas but ultimately using the same map structures makes a lot more sense + feels a lot more in context

[edgy oriole]

i feel like we got this 3 years ago.

[tacit sphinx]

oh i still need to unlock that lol, been busy with exams so i haven't had time to play

[arctic grove]

[tacit sphinx]

like same, but quite possibly in a different way lol i've just been really busy

[velvet sand]

Juggalofield 2042.

[edgy oriole]

it always feels long to me bc i always finished mission in 1 game on the day it drops.

[copper fulcrum]

Great skin

[arctic grove]

Yeah

[hidden sand]

Gwisin is an odd skin but it's not easily noticeable thankfully

[edgy oriole]

the head fits perfectly with her t1 body.

the new skin body sucks bc its hex

[arctic grove]

Sorry I stomped on you

[edgy oriole]

im nowhere in there.

[arctic grove]

[tacit sphinx]

that feels like the wrong clip

[copper fulcrum]

It's the right clip

[arctic grove]

Yes

[copper fulcrum]

btw they're totally changing a good portion of the lines which will definitely sound weird

They have an example
https://youtu.be/uahEsdg2Pk0

[white geyser]

@eternal storm You’re denial for telling me what you said, attacking someone’s ideas will get you in trouble

[velvet sand]

Feedback: Remove the lines, we don't like them. DICE: We hear your feedback and are making the lines only slightly less cringe. You're welcome!

[tacit sphinx]

me when tracer doesn't say "cheers love the cavalry's here"

[copper fulcrum]

That sounds weird

[edgy oriole]

I barely remember specialist talk and i wont know the difference between new and old if i even hear it in the first place.

its all new to me

[tacit sphinx]

people make a bigger deal of it than it is lol

[copper fulcrum]

Two of my platoon mates now play Mackay and Casper more often so I hear more of their lines

I swear they're being shipped

[white geyser]

Last time I played Sundance, I can barely hear her voice when I’m inside the vehicle

[copper fulcrum]

He's playing Casper more as a medic... because he's putting Medic Crates on the drone and carrying us when downed WITH THE DRONE towards our medics

[tacit sphinx]

apart from anything i'm usually not paying attention at that point, before the match i'm probablyon my phone/discord on my laptop/literally just zoned out for a second

[copper fulcrum]

"FUCK FACE SHIT HEAD"

[tacit sphinx]

i did notice more of the lines where they specifically reference each other in a match after 4.0

[copper fulcrum]

"You gotta be alive to tell me more of those stories, Mackay"

[tacit sphinx]

could have been coincidence but on a couple squad revives they referred to each other by name, and when requesting an order

[hidden sand]

I remember hearing that in the playtest lol, Falck was saying it

[tacit sphinx]

vs i don't think ever noticing it beforehand

[copper fulcrum]

I played as Paik and I could've sworn Paik said to Falck when reviving "Don't worry, this is to delay my death"

[tacit sphinx]

yeah they popped up a couple times in the beta iirc, then i don't believe i've heard any firsthand although i think i saw a few clips of it and then 4.0 i heard them multiple times

[hidden sand]

Or no, it was mackay telling casper "You can't die yet, I've not heard you finish your stories!"

[copper fulcrum]

A part of me wants to try and force an AI into my squad just to hear voice lines

You know, with portal

[tacit sphinx]

hmm

[copper fulcrum]

I bet it's impossible though

[hidden sand]

For whatever reason AI don't join your squad, its wack

I managed to get it to work a few times in the past but it was still finicky

[tacit sphinx]

i think the 2042 AI lines have a pretty limited set of lines, or only use a limited set at least

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, with the rules editor you can make them into certain specialists but not all of them

[hidden sand]

They just use dialogue for their class, because I'm guessing they were the original things we played as before specialist

A lot of it is dialogue you would hear your character say

[tacit sphinx]

they don't seem to say anything as frequently as the player character who i think has a decent amount of lines that are only played for the player

[olive lake]

I think that's supposedly being looked into

Something we can hopefully expect in Season 1 with finally full progression.

[hidden sand]

I used to hear them very often, objective callouts would play sometimes as well
Don't really hear the AI talk as much anymore though

[hollow pebble]

Fix transportfield. the transport is way to stupid

[copper fulcrum]

There's Girl AI now

[hidden sand]

Idk the transport is in a good place imo
It requires teamwork to perform well with them, which is what's happening

[fallen yarrow]

Nah, its way too overpowered. It's supposed to be a transport, not the apex predator of vehicles

The 50mm needs to be removed at least

[hollow pebble]

The transport is way overpowered

[hidden sand]

I mean I've not really noticed it being op in my experience, relatively easy to take out as well

It's a sitting duck basically

[fallen yarrow]

No, not really. The condor is almost as agile as a jet and can switch from VTOL to normal flight faster than the F35

[hollow pebble]

you must be high af

[fallen yarrow]

It takes 4-5 AA rockets to destroy, if you factor in the self repair + flares. And even more if they have 2 people repairing

The 2x miniguns shred all choppers and jets and they can target enemies behind the transport.

The 50mm deletes ALL vehicles. Just yesterday, I spawned into a transport than bullied the enemy AA tank + normal tank into their spawn and killed it.

[hidden sand]

Maybe I've just gotten lucky then, because my teammates and I usually take out transports with a few M5s

[fallen yarrow]

If your air transport can out-dps and out heal the damage from the Anti Air vehicle in the game....there's a problem

[honest comet]

all helis need huge hp nerf

its like bunkers in sky lol

[fallen yarrow]

I don't mind them being tanky, but the air transports don't deserve the 50mm cannon which can 2-3 shot all air vehicles and takes about 5 shots to kill the tanks.

[honest comet]

well i do mind since u need 50 million rockets to take one down if u count flares

[crude axle]

All in all, I feel the game is making strides in the right direction. IMO - I am able to enjoy the game without many gripes

[hidden sand]

Tanks are so ridiculously weak in this game lol

Yet there are still people asking for nerfs

[hidden sand]

I can agree with that
Vehicles have never been this poorly implemented in a BF game, they're all around a mess

[fallen yarrow]

Lol, no one is scared of tanks in the game...they're one of the weakest vehicles for the slot. You see a tank, all you need to do is 'Sundance Special!' and it's dead

[velvet sand]

BEEN SAYIN, it won't make vehicle folks happy since it'll mean less vehicles, but they need a buff to make them actual objectives to fight around where the loss of one has an actual impact on the battlefield.

But I don't think that's practical given that, as Vulcan says, all you need is a Sundance with c5 and lol

[fallen yarrow]

Sundance with/without C5, Casper Drone with C5

Literally just joined a game and there's a guy going "Pro Tip: Spawn as casper and put 3 C5 on the drone to instantly blow up vehicles"

[hidden sand]

Crazy that people still ask for tank nerfs

[velvet sand]

Because if you're not one of teh few specialists very good at killing tanks, they feel like trash to fight against.

[fallen yarrow]

I get that some people are bad at the game and are unable to use AT weapons with basically no drop-off to destroy vehicles, or use other vehicles to counter the vehicles themselves....but DICE should have also added some infantry-only and infantry-focused maps so that not every map needs to be this unbalanced

It sucks to be a tank player waiting 2 mins for a vehicle spawn only to be instantly blown up

At the same time, it sucks to be an infantry player with no cover from vehicles

[hidden sand]

The AP and HE both have horrible splash dmg so if you're being taken out by them you're just bad at the game

[velvet sand]

Going back to pre-launch, they talked up "parts of the map that are more infantry focused" in lieu of actual infantry focused maps and...at this point I think we can just say "lol" to that

[honest comet]

never saw anyone askin tank nerf tho lol

[velvet sand]

right now everyone's focused on the "transport aircraft" that are just mobile gunships lol

[copper fulcrum]

almost as if their real life counter parts are Mobile Gunships

[arctic grove]

Lmao this update is garbo

[forest snow]

suppose the big question now is when in june

[hidden sand]

My guess is the 9th of June

[wide shore]

Imma say June 7th

[honest comet]

my guess is mid june like 17th

just bcs there still isnt a trailer for season 1

so they will roll trailer at least a week in june before the season 1

[white geyser]

Season 1 update better come fast, depending on the date

[topaz field]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixQvICIIqi0

[arctic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[arctic grove]

Thats exactly what happened to the bolte

bolte is useless and a waste of slot in the game now.

[sour edge]

just only have the 40mm and nerf the speed

buff the attack heli for gods sake

[arctic grove]

They need to bring back wall climb for the hovercraft. Its the only thing its good at now. Its weak and useless.

[sour edge]

tbh it was great for assaulting the skyscrapers, made for an intersting assualt

[shell ermine]

They actually "fixed" the wall climbing?

[velvet sand]

Yes, much to many folks disappointment.

[shell ermine]

Lmao of course

[velvet sand]

It was broken don't get me wrong...but it was like, the "right" kinda broken for BF bullshit and shenanigans.

[sour edge]

attack heli needs a buff

[shell ermine]

It was a legitimate piece of Battlefield Bullshit in a game vastly devoid of all things Battlefield

[sour edge]

the little bird mini guns need a buff, and the missiles need a nerf. the 20 and 30mm need a buff

[brave flax]

Why Is assault rifle bullet speed faster than a sniper rifles? That feels insanely stupid

[shell ermine]

Why are SMGs still better at range than Assault rifles?

[brave flax]

True!!

[sour edge]

bruh how, its slow, weak, and its weapons suck

i am good, still sucks

[honest comet]

heli abuser lol

[rocky ether]

i saw a so called road map if legit or not im not sure but if it is dont see any new maps for this year 😦

[velvet sand]

That's a roadmap for general improvements, not the actual new content in S1.

i.e. "We're finally finishing development on the Early Access game we sold you"

[rocky ether]

its sopose to be the s1 roadmap it says new map but im thinking they just mean changed to exsisting maps and call it a new map lol

[velvet sand]

Kaleidoscope will be updated in S1, but they announced a new map will be coming. They'll reveal actual S1 content details at some point in the next few weeks, they ahven't shared that yet.

[slow terrace]

RIP hazard zone

[rocky ether]

i did enjoy hazardzone for a bit but it got old fast like i think the bfv br was good but got old fast

[sour edge]

how many active playres in that mode rn? any numbers?

[slow terrace]

I have no idea

[honest comet]

i still havenr tried that mode lol

[tepid briar]

One new map??? What a joke lol

[honest comet]

wdym?

[tepid briar]

Season 1 will have one new map that’s it

[honest comet]

how do u knoe

know* is it official?

[velvet sand]

DICE literally said it in their update post, and a CM re-confirmed it in the thread.

[topaz field]

I want them to be able to ban Cronus users on ps4

[honest comet]

am thats fine

as long as they rework and upgrade rest of maps

[tepid briar]

BF4 had 4 new maps each dlc lol

[velvet sand]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Discussion-Thread-Battlefield-Briefing-Development-Update-May/m-p/11511514/highlight/true#M106822 1 new map, and only 1 map being updated for S1, not the two they initially committed to.

[honest comet]

oh

[velvet sand]

They're banking on the Portal maps/guns porting over making S1 seem like more content than it's actually getting.

Man, and in 2042 we get neither so /shrugs

[tepid briar]

BF3 had 4 each dlc too lol

[velvet sand]

I would play them more often if the matchmaking actually put me in different maps lol

at least when I was playing, haven't played for a while because I'm still salty over 128p breakthrough being removed

[tepid briar]

It would be better if these maps were good but unfortunately not of these base game maps are worth remembering

Those were maps!

If they add new portal maps I’d be okay with one new AOW map

[fallen yarrow]

We need a 128p Metro Sundance only, all explosives allowed

[edgy oriole]

I still need to play sundance so i can get her t5 badge. was gonna t1 all heros but assault heros way too boring for that.

[arctic grove]

Fucking dice fixing stuff that really doesnt need fixing. Classic

[arctic grove]

and 128bt both will be missed

[edgy oriole]

only 128bt will be missed. HZ deserved it.

[arctic grove]

what quality m8? They still fixing the game for launch.

That is what bt128 was for. They need to port locker and metro for 128 infantry.

HZ deserved to be removed. it was only a half baked tarkov

[edgy oriole]

DEATH

true

[arctic grove]

yeah but its just there now. In purgatory. it wont be updated or anything.

its worse than being removed in my opinion.

[velvet sand]

not at all, I wish they'd done the same with 128p breakthrough, even if it wasn't added to newer maps

[arctic grove]

in squad 11 if anyone wanna link

[arctic grove]

Ok fair. I too miss bt 128

[tepid briar]

I just don’t have the same feeling as I did with bf3 and 4. We’d play even the base game maps and be like this map is fucking SWEET. And people still play 2042 metro. I seriously hope People aren’t playing 247 “breakaway”

[arctic grove]

breakaway and kali are the worse maps. Too big and empty

instead of getting the urban parts.of the city they choose the open space lmao.

lets fight in NYC but it will be in central park.

[tepid briar]

Damavand peak, operation firestorm, paracel storm. Operation locker.

[arctic grove]

Paracel would work

Imagine propaganda 128 infantry

or even pearl market.

[tepid briar]

Yeah why all the open space lol

[arctic grove]

Bro its a fan favorite. tf u talking about.

So was shangai and goldmun

even 128 Dawnbreaker would be epic

CMON DICE we giving u great ideas.

[tepid briar]

Eh don’t mind him he likes kali and orbital and the over crap maps

[edgy oriole]

I would like a Battlefield x Warhammer mashup

[arctic grove]

Orbital was the best map.apart from manifest

[tepid briar]

They all suck, but orbital is the leadt sucky

[edgy oriole]

imagine a battlefield x LOTR game. gah damn this market is untapped

[arctic grove]

128 bt on orbital was perfect

[edgy oriole]

2042 is ahead of the game. we need some rich nerds to bring big battle warhammer or lotr.

[arctic grove]

They did make it. it was called LOTR Conquest. it was decent but not enough players. its was capped at 24 i think.

[dire quest]

You mean lord of the rings conquest? It's been done already

[edgy oriole]

no joke i loved conquest. i was so good at that shit.

[arctic grove]

same

[edgy oriole]

but thats not what im thinking. im thinking bigger.

[arctic grove]

best RTS was battle for middle earth. Had that game on the 360

[dire quest]

People forget ea had the lotr license

[rough swallow]

bruh i mastered the pp and havent attached a single attachment what is good

[tepid briar]

F that get picked off as soon as you spawn. 0 cover so as soon as you kill someone uou die

[edgy oriole]

conquest was more button mash, combo. i want WAR *if i remember correctly

[arctic grove]

Does dice an ea not realize that re-adding classes with unidentified characters will bring up the player count by alot

[plush coyote]

its not cod

[arctic grove]

Oh yeah u have a point. Too bad dice.forgot to set good spawn points and capture points.

[arctic grove]

They dont care about us. they want to bank on fortnut noobs.

[arctic grove]

ForkNife players aren't enjoying this game judging by player count lol

it has exists since 1942. It a battlefielf core mechanic my guy.

[arctic grove]

Exactly why the bf community is pissed. They sacrificed us for nothing.

[slow terrace]

me too

[tall yew]

S1 gonna be so good. Also glad they got rid of 128BT. That shit was straight trash and not a BF expierence at all

[arctic grove]

It's a shame it's gotta go like this but at the same time it shows the community won't put up with it which is good

Yeah true

[tepid briar]

All these new maps just need to be fucked up, take that tornado and just run through it 30 times. Did you guys like Aftermath in bf4 @arctic grove

[mental delta]

I think this guy is high af

[arctic grove]

now we gotta wait a few years for an actual bf game now.

[mental delta]

Aftermath ? In BF4 ?

[tepid briar]

BF3

[arctic grove]

It was ok. id say mid.

[tall yew]

They said the new map gonna be in Canada. I bet it's vancouver. Gonna be dope

[arctic grove]

wait for bf3 it was great.

[arctic grove]

Lets hope its not an empty field.

[tepid briar]

The buildings were all like earthquake rubble

[tall yew]

ZOMG empty field im devastaed

[tepid briar]

It’s EXPOSURE so you are exposed

[edgy oriole]

moose and igloo only

and a couple white flags left over from their old owners

[arctic grove]

It was ahead of its time and it looked good on the 360. Imagine what dice could do on a series x.

[mental delta]

Yes

[arctic grove]

Again. Ive seen decent levelution on the bf mobile game than 2042.

[mental delta]

This will be in countryside with mountains and cliffs and some hidden secrets base exposed due to an earthquake

[tall yew]

nice

[mental delta]

How did you install it ?

[tepid briar]

Yeah why on some of this stuff? Why so far off than the other titles? Just a combination of everything that has went on?

[arctic grove]

Did you all know there is an underground parking lot in Kali? its just there. Dice should make a capture point there.

[tepid briar]

They’re aware. At least I’ve seen people tell them

[velvet sand]

wait...what? just a part of the map that's unused, wasting resources?

[edgy oriole]

its out of bounds isnt it?

[mental delta]

Wait what ?

[arctic grove]

Honestly as shitty as some of the maps are, it has potential if only they changed a few capture point spots.

[arctic grove]

not on current gen.

[edgy oriole]

i feel like ive died there. on BT anyway.

[arctic grove]

you take a random elevator in the middle of nowhere to a parking lot.

[edgy oriole]

wait maybe i havent seen a parking lot but i have taken a rando elevator to an underground road where i did die from getting out of bounds.

[arctic grove]

Is it just me or would dragon valley 2015 be a good map for 2042

[pulsar junco]

that devblog looking promising

[queen crypt]

But it will take soo long 😩

[arctic grove]

BF4 too close to 2042 timeline

[queen crypt]

BF3's close enough

1942 is out there, unique and stuff

[rough swallow]

yo ok what pp29 attachments shoild i try i fr like it best just with none and tahat cant be right lol

[arctic grove]

it can work with 128

[edgy oriole]

what ever lowers vert recoil and whatever makes it shoot faster.

[arctic grove]

big bf4 maps with 128 sounds fun tbh.

[arctic grove]

Yeah, judging by the amount of open areas in 2042 I assume dice imagine at least 15 people scattered around the map in a single area

[rough swallow]

alr cool

[iron blade]

Bro even after mackay got his face change he still looks punchable

[arctic grove]

Overall outfit design sux

[iron blade]

Just port over Gunters face from bfv to mackay lol it will look 1000x better

[arctic grove]

its too big for 64. Also silk road. but 128 could work. same with operation firetorm and gulf of Oman.

[edgy oriole]

are you saying extreme weather specialist Reed Timmer is punchable.

[iron blade]

Gahh im sorry man it was a joke, dont shoot pls

[arctic grove]

He looks like a redneck now with the beard and cowboy hat.

[tall yew]

You guys have like 5 hours in the game and dont know the maps? I have 0 issue finding enemies in AOW

[iron blade]

I mean the beard looks better along with the scarf, but still the mouth, nose, and eye positions are still weirdly off.

[edgy oriole]

Reed Timmer the extreme weather meteorologist isnt punchable

[white geyser]

BF3 not close enough to make a WW3 matchup I already tried to make a custom matchup in the portal , but the timeline from BF3 just felt something I can't explain and BF4 has more weapons and added a boat where you can actually use it, also it has a 3rd faction too.

[queen crypt]

I honestly hope that the next Battlefield game doesn't have another gimmick game mode like Firestrom or Hazard zone. They keep trying to make experiences other than All-out-warfare type game modes, when the vast majority of the community isn't there for it. All it ends up doing is draining resources from other areas of the game that need them while making experiences which are not better than contemporary video games that specifically focus on those experiences... And the result is that we get half baked game modes that just get cancelled, which just angers people.

[arctic grove]

What about Caspian border 2014? Is that big enough?

[edgy oriole]

it will

[iron blade]

I gave shit for the bfv characters looking ugly (except gunter and helmut they sexy af), but god damn, 2042 character models are also very weird and ugly, what happened to bf1s chad character models

[velvet sand]

Rao is the only fuckable character in BF2042

[arctic grove]

the bf4 version would work better

[edgy oriole]

agree Rao is hottest 2042 character

[tall yew]

Maybe you got older and realized they're just stupid video game avatars?

[velvet sand]

And really, is there any measure for a games quality better than, "How many characters in this game do I want to fuck?"

[arctic grove]

You mean the only guy who can fix my computer

[queen crypt]

Casper is a certified Dilf

[iron blade]

I love how combined arms was entirely forgotten about from bfv lol

[arctic grove]

NAH NAH NAH Boris the bear is better

[arctic grove]

True, I figured it would work better on bf3 because lack of available transportation

[arctic grove]

whats that??

[queen crypt]

Coop

[iron blade]

But god damn the new boris is fine af

[white geyser]

BF4 vs 2042, the WW3 in portal would be a lot better since BF4 is more updated than BF3 and it's set in the year 2020

[queen crypt]

Was also poorly implemented and not updated due to its poor reception

[arctic grove]

i was being sarcastic lol but its all good. i remembered

[edgy oriole]

new boris = great value

[arctic grove]

LOL

[iron blade]

Weird how none of the modern era bf games feel like ww3. I want a ww3 bf game with not only us, ru, and cn. But add the UK, GE, FR, AU, CA, etc

[queen crypt]

God damn, next Battlefield better have no campaign or gimmick game mode but have like 12 maps at launch

that would be nice, I think

[iron blade]

Who knows if there will be another bf game after this one

[arctic grove]

[velvet sand]

It will have 6 support studios working on it and we will have 12 guns and 4 maps at launch, and EA will charge $70 for it. It also won't work at launch, and will be unplayable for 3 months at a minimum.

[iron blade]

And heres good ol necondaa, lets have a round of applause pls

[arctic grove]

Stay mad

[edgy oriole]

[queen crypt]

😍 😍 😍 😍 Dream Battlefield

[arctic grove]

He’s angy

[edgy oriole]

id love applesause

[iron blade]

Stay glad!

[arctic grove]

I will

[iron blade]

Great!

Anyways, i wonder if dice will do another historical game anytime soon

[queen crypt]

Which Portal guns would you like to see in AoW?

[iron blade]

Probably not after bfv

[iron tendon]

the m16

[iron blade]

Mp5 for the love of god, its my fav modern gun

[queen crypt]

From Portal

[iron tendon]

one of the two variants, either a2 or a3

[velvet sand]

GIVE US BATTLEFIELD CIVIL WAR, COWARDS! I WANT TO BE FORCED TO WAIT 45 SECONDS TO LOAD A NEW BULLET INTO MY GUN AFTER EVERY SHOT

[iron blade]

Oh, well then ig the dragonov

[queen crypt]

Thats how it was

[iron blade]

I thought the mp5 was in portal, idk i havent played portal since launch

[queen crypt]

way outdated map design and gameplay design, but it did scratch the nostaliga factor for me

so at least on that part they did a swell job

[arctic grove]

I can get behind the idea. south and north factions only

We will have 128 on Gettysburg

[queen crypt]

The only historical Battlefield I'd want to see any time soon would be like Battlefield 1982

[white geyser]

Add naval battle, they did have naval battle during the civil war

[mental delta]

I don't hope so

[arctic grove]

or even Vietnam would be cool

[queen crypt]

Late Cold War Era Equipment would be big pog

[arctic grove]

We get Afghan maps

[amber heron]

Bring back 128 players

[white geyser]

Also the next battlefield, if they decide to make bad company 3 just DON'T be afraid and give it a shot, make sure it has good content and good implemented too

[mental delta]

M16 and barrett

[mental delta]

And no specialists

[white geyser]

Yup, bring back the class we love

[queen crypt]

BC2 had a pretty distinct gameplay style than BF3 and most Battlefield Games afterwards. How would they even Make BC3 without making it feel like BF4?

[mental delta]

Yes

[queen crypt]

unless they focus on like 32 player Rush centric gameplay

[arctic grove]

How many battle passes are out right now?

[queen crypt]

zilch

nada

nil

[arctic grove]

💀 the people with all the special editions of the game

[tepid briar]

Uhhhh if they’re adding the portal maps and guns to AOW…. Then what’s the point of portal?

[white geyser]

BC3 make it better than BF4, just look back at the previous battlefield games, look at BF4 to see some downsides so they can learn from it and not make the same mistake. Also IDK what timeline BC2 is set but BC3 timeline should be around in the early 2000's.

[arctic grove]

Me. I bought gold. Initially i pre ordered the ultimate but after the beta i dropped it down to gold.

[tepid briar]

isn’t portal going back in time

[queen crypt]

They aint adding maps, just certain guns. And in any case, Portal is a customizable, community run experience where you can change parameters, make new game modes and mix and match different eras

[arctic grove]

Clown

[arctic grove]

ITS IN MY PFP

HAHAHAHA

[queen crypt]

So you want BC3 that...is not Bad Company?

[arctic grove]

Im a bf fanboy clown

🤣

[copper fulcrum]

I got ultimate

[queen crypt]

Thats my point. People want BC3, but dont really know what made BC2 such a standout game in the franchise. At the end all they want is BF4 2

[copper fulcrum]

The reason why BC2 was a standout game in the franchise is because all of the stuff we have now was new back then

Key points being destruction and console accessibility

[arctic grove]

🤣

[queen crypt]

When I think of BC2 I think of the campaign and 32 player Rush centric gameplay and map design

[copper fulcrum]

As you can see from my level, I do not regret my decision one bit

[arctic grove]

Were you a battlefield fan before or are you new?

[copper fulcrum]

From 1942, I've said this to you before

[desert elbow]

The almost 100% destructibility too

[arctic grove]

Are you a battlefield vet?

[copper fulcrum]

Literally just told you, I've been playing since 1942

[arctic grove]

Do you have the vet dogtag and the BF4 knife?

recon knife

[fallen yarrow]

He is being held hostage, we're working on gathering as much Dark Market Currency as we can to pay for his ransom.

[copper fulcrum]

Do I need to spell this out to you with Kindergarten Alphabet Blocks?

[arctic grove]

You sold us out

[copper fulcrum]

Okay bub

[queen crypt]

As much as BC2 is coveted for its destructibility, all it boiled down to was the same 2 story houses with empty interiors strewn about the entire map. And the total destruction often led to poorer gameplay in the later part of the rounds imo

[copper fulcrum]

I will say BC2 really does feel like an Xbox 360 Arcade game

even on PC it has that feeling unless you like use Reshade

[arctic grove]

What is the next battlefield about?

[copper fulcrum]

We don't know anything yet and likely won't.

[arctic grove]

Maybe this time they will go full BR

[desert elbow]

I disagree tbh, the buildings ended up being used as pretty useful cover even after they collapsed. The terrain destruction was great too, you could basically make trenches

[copper fulcrum]

I doubt it considering that they didn't succeed with either Hazard Zone or Firestorm

Considering this, I imagine next game will not have any mode like that

[arctic grove]

Their whole game is BR bub 2042 is BR turned into conquest

[copper fulcrum]

Not the case.

[arctic grove]

They won't learn

You'll see in 3 years

[copper fulcrum]

If you think this way, then I ignore your opinion

[queen crypt]

I really, really hope they learn

[arctic grove]

Next game I expect current days era, US vs RU vs CHINA, cool operators like tacticool

[tepid briar]

2042 was in the early stages of BR before they shifted to traditional bf title

[edgy oriole]

i bet next game wont have factions anymore

[queen crypt]

Like, nobody comes to Battlefield to play Warzone or Tarkov, they come to Battlefield for Battlefield

[copper fulcrum]

I can't tell where the next game will go, but I do doubt China will be in any AAA game for the forseeable future

[arctic grove]

Neck gaiter patriotic US style like larpers

[copper fulcrum]

Rumors + Speculation does not equal true

[edgy oriole]

ojection speculation

[queen crypt]

And as open as I am to new experiences, they must not take the forefront to game development

[copper fulcrum]

I would love China, yes. However China doesn't like being in games where they can be perceived as bad guys so they'll ban it

[arctic grove]

It's not speculation it's true

[tall yew]

Hard to put China in a bad light when they ur biggest market lol

[copper fulcrum]

Source is a man who does speculation lol

and he is the only source for that claim

[arctic grove]

They had a huge fight with good DICE devs, the good people left at DICE tried to save the game from BR style mode

[copper fulcrum]

They being no one

[queen crypt]

It was from a trusted source to Tom Henderson, so it could be, but he had a tendency to be at least decently right when it came to BF2042 development

[edgy oriole]

you should look at old dice new game

[arctic grove]

Show me*

[copper fulcrum]

"Trusted Source" is a man on twitter lol

[edgy oriole]

https://arcraiders.com/