battlefield-2042

[velvet sand]

"freed from the shackles of 128 players" I can't believe they actually typed that out and approved it for release in this post

[dusky blade]

Wasn’t breakthrough 128 the only good mode in the game

[patent path]

bf4 > bf3

[solar tinsel]

Which is why this video in particular doesn't do much for me

[hard plume]

Damn, didn’t know you were being forced to play that mode, so sorry

[velvet sand]

Like, jesus christ DICE, tell us you regret not listening to old DICE when they said 128 player modes wasn't fun more explicitly, why don't you.

[arctic grove]

The least Dice might do (and thats a big might) add 128 bt as a litmited time game mode.

[dapper berry]

a large portion of the playerbase agrees with the fact that 128 players only caused problems to the core design of this game

[still vault]

Will I miss 128p Breakthrough? Yes. Do I understand the reasoning behind removing it? Yes.

[calm junco]

Except on few maps and performance drops?

[velvet sand]

I still don't. The BS about "it's not tactical" doesn't sit right.

[dusky blade]

Conquest is far worse

[velvet sand]

CQ 128p isn't "tactical", and hell, 64p is rarely "tactical"

[dusky blade]

Conquest as a whole in this game is a disaster

[arctic grove]

Its not the core game design. Its more of a bad map design.

[hard plume]

The least they could do is add it to portal.

[still vault]

I don't see why 128 player would not get added as one of the time limited gamemodes in their rotation though.

[solar tinsel]

They need some new PR people. I get the need for PR spin, but all of their efforts have not worked well so far. I would have written it "to be honest, we were wrong about 128p BT and it didnt play the way we hoped, so we're making changes". No reason to frame it as they were being "shackled" as a feature they advertised

[fierce epoch]

We’re getting 1 new map, and a season pass. Now that I think about it, it’s not much but

[solar tinsel]

their PR style at EA or DICE (whoever does that) is really into gaslight-style writing

[velvet sand]

This ain't PR, this is community. PR wouldn't have let half the dumb stuff in that post get through the first round of internal reviews.

[low timber]

If they add the portal guns to AOW then the weapon Selection UI needs to be changed, surely they can’t fit everything in the current one

[night vessel]

I had to do it xD

[dapper berry]

i think a lot of shortcuts were taken to accomodate for 128 players, animations and everything had to get simplified

[radiant prism]

MY EARS

[solar tinsel]

I dont know who is writing it, but whoever is - yeah it's not good.

[radiant prism]

I WAS WEARING HEADPHONES YOU ASS

[night vessel]

xDDDD

[velvet sand]

jesus, this video is 15 minutes...but I guess I'll listen to see if there's anything valuable to hear that isn't covered in the text

[arctic grove]

50/50 only becauase devs has current gen to work with.

[solar tinsel]

Admittedly there's not much

[arctic grove]

i think its possible.

[dapper berry]

yeah that's true, forgot about them old machines

[dapper berry]

the text has more info than the video

[dusky blade]

What are the key points mentioned

[arctic grove]

But if dice wanted to they would at least let us create 128 bt on portal.

[velvet sand]

fuckin lol, waste of these peoples time then + the folks editing it etc.

[patent path]

eliminate all ps4 users, achieve world peace

[still vault]

If nothing else the transition parts are kinda cool

[fierce epoch]

Ngl I dig the new running animation, but at the same time I don’t think it was a priority, like with so much stuff to do I dont understand why they wasted efforts on making a new running animation. Idk if you get what I mean

[dapper berry]

idk, putting a video out means people will see it on their algorithm

[solar tinsel]

• Some Portal guns coming to Aow
• We got a look at some more areas of the 2.0 maps were knew were being changed (Kalediscope + Renewal)
• New animations for soldier movement and turning
• New maps will not support Hazard Zone

[velvet sand]

Yeah, those are nice...until you remember that it's 7 months post-launch and they're just finishing development on 2 of the 7 launch maps.

[summer crescent]

Bro they just won’t get rid of HZ

[wide violet]

shout out to the overview video, we need more of shit like this

[dusky blade]

Well......

[dapper berry]

they practically did

[arctic grove]

If dice really wanted to milk yhe game they would keep both versions of the map.

[hot bronze]

I would not be surprised with the the statement about being free from the shackles is bc some marketing team or think tank thought 128 would be the next big thing and the hire ups were not listening to the actual engineers about how it didn't work and were forced to focus on that instead of what bf has always done.

[dusky blade]

And they’re not even changing the whole maps, Just particular points

[wide violet]

they basically said its dead

[solar tinsel]

When you strip the video down, theres not much new info of substance

[summer crescent]

I know
Just get rid of it already

[velvet sand]

Weren't the devs talking it up extensively leading into launch? Like, that they were excited about the higher player count?

[uncut bay]

and get even more backlash?

[shell ermine]

Well honestly, at least adding Portal maps and weapons to the base game is a right decision, the first of this whole endeavor mind you

[low timber]

Hopefully with the portal weapons added we’ll also get some sights, love the Kobra sight.

[summer crescent]

Who plays it?

[solar tinsel]

I get the sense HZ will stop being supported. They should just make it PvE exclusively now. Make it a Co-Op mode.

[velvet sand]

Because it sure is weird how different the direction of the game is now vs. in development when they all supposedly thought they were making an actually good game lol

[uncut bay]

enough people to the point that removing it will cause another wave of complaints

[hot bronze]

just bc they didn't show changes dont mean they didnt happen. you shouldnt spread things that you cant confirm

[velvet sand]

scripting NPC's for it would take too long

[dapper berry]

well people were askin "who plays 128bt ?" and look where that got us

[dusky blade]

It does actually

[river trench]

Season 1 confirmed to be in early june right?

[arctic grove]

Lets agree that 128bt has more players supporting than HZ

[hot bronze]

as far as we know

[hard plume]

That’s what i’m saying! Like removing it completely is just dumb. Like idc if it’s not in aow, but atleast keep it somewhere

[dapper berry]

as of 4.1 patch notes yes

[dusky blade]

If they had new stuff they would show it because why would you WANT to keep things on a downfall

[hot bronze]

I only ever see hate for HZ so I agree

[still vault]

While I stopped thinking of game development for multiplayer titles as a binary either "finished" or "unfinished" quite a while ago, I do understand the frustration. I also wish the game had released in a better state.

[solar tinsel]

Backlash is whatever if it improves the experience or consolidates the player base. I know some folks dont like BT 128 being removed but at least they are using a justification for it (whether you agree or not) AND it will consolidate the playerbase more which IS something they need to keep tabs on

[arctic grove]

For now its not possible

[night vessel]

damn it

[last swift]

[hard plume]

There’s atleast…..five of us

[dapper berry]

there's gonna be a marketing campaign for season 1, it's their last hope

[solar tinsel]

Which is why I think they should make HZ PvE only at this point too

[night vessel]

oh no wounder why ..... it was not Mp3

[arctic grove]

To this day my guy, i havent played a single game of HZ

[dusky blade]

They won’t hold a marketing campaign, it’s anthem over again

[low timber]

Oh yeah, if they want to add the portal weapons to AOW then they do need new magazines

[hard plume]

Ditto

[hot bronze]

same.....

[river trench]

Same

[uncut bay]

removing HZ will achieve what exactly? How will it improve the experience? Literally just less content in the game. People don't care what their reasoning is, we'll have the same outcry that we've been getting every time dice does something that can even remotely be seen as a step back

[hot bronze]

hey maybe we should try! it could be fun!

[velvet sand]

I mean, live-service is a thing. But usually you have an initial "complete" package at launch which...2042 was not by any stretch of the imagination. I'm all for "live-service" (I'm an oldschool MMO guy so I love seeing online games supported and growing), but DICE still doesn't seem to have the foggiest clue what they're doing with that method of development/support.

[craggy marten]

Wait, they want to take out Hazard Zone?

[arctic grove]

Im down if both of you try it too

[night vessel]

@radiant prism

[solar tinsel]

No, but new maps wont suppport it

[fossil trench]

Season 1 update?

[uncut bay]

they don't. They just won't keep updating it after basic fixes

[velvet sand]

No, they're not killing it like 128p breakthrough. It'll remain, just ignored.

[shy grotto]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Updates/Battlefield-Briefing-Development-Update-May-2022/m-p/11510768?cid=73726&ts=1653405379496&utm_campaign=bf2042_hd_ww_ic_socd_twt_kingstondevelopmentupdatemay2022&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#M54

[dusky blade]

No live service game launched finished because the live service is the launch content

[arctic grove]

Reminds me of the Halo infinite devs

[hot bronze]

absolutely not. get that trash out of here. what a terrible idea.

[craggy marten]

Why the hell did they make Hazrad Zone then, it was a waste of resources.

[radiant prism]

I took off my headphones and could still hear this shit

[velvet sand]

WHICH MAKES YOU WONDER WHY THEY CAN'T ALSO JUST LEAVE 128P BREAKTHROUGH IN THE GAME BUT UNSUPPORTED BUT HEY, I GUESS THAT'S WAY DIFFERENT

[night vessel]

ahahhahaah

[solar tinsel]

I think it will at least focus what the experience is, so people know what they're going to get - it will eliminate matchmaking times, and then at least ensure PvP players go to AoW instead

[radiant prism]

Hindsight is 20/20.

[arctic grove]

If only more people thought that way lmao

[velvet sand]

At least they're in S2 now and have new content since launch lol

[dapper berry]

hey cmon now we got winter skins

[arctic grove]

LMAO FAIR. They already in s2 while we here hyped for s1

[uncut bay]

i highly doubt players will just sit in HZ queues for 30 minutes trying to find a game. Once they see it's dead they'll just move on to portal or aow

there's no point in wasting time removing it

[solar tinsel]

Sure, so then wouldnt you want HZ to at least be a consistent experienced by making it PvE only?

[hot bronze]

unpopular opinion: 64p > 128p. I wouldnt care if 128p never made it in the game

[solar tinsel]

Im not saying remove it, just consolidate it and give it a specific focus

[arctic grove]

I wish they had the same mentality with bt

[uncut bay]

don't really care, i was addressing people asking for it to be removed

[velvet sand]

That may be, but DICE throught 128p was fun and they were good enough devs to make it fun but...apparnetly not, so we got a BS product

[solar tinsel]

When you launch HZ, you know it'd be a way for you and friends to play against bots in a co-op style experience. Thats why Im saying at least it could be given focus

[craggy marten]

I like some of the improvements that DICE is doing, although I don't understand why they took 8 months to do so, not even 8 months because they still need to do WAY more.

[solar tinsel]

Ah yeah I dont think it should be removed outright

[fallen vapor]

I agree now. but before I was hyped. I wasn't aware DICE forgot about Map design or I might have had a different opinion.

[velvet sand]

Sadly DICE is at "minimum-viable-support" right now, so if they can cut corners, they're cutting corners.

[hot bronze]

too bee far adding new content to a broken game doesnt help. I much rather them fix issues that effect performance and gameplay first

[summer crescent]

How about a wave mode

[velvet sand]

Everyone is all expecting S1 to be packed with content because these 7 months don't look like "all of DICE is working on 2042" as we were told.

[solar tinsel]

At least once they make that change though, they can effectively abandon it. Like "set and forget: here's co-op if you want it". It seems like that's their future plan anyway

[next onyx]

They should just make Hazard zone a bot only mode so people can earn achievements.

[velvet sand]

This continues to feel like they left their spring/summer interns running live-ops

[hot bronze]

Ya... at least the new map changes look good. cant wait to try them out

[arctic grove]

I agree. no point in adding content while everything else is broken

[solar tinsel]

Sadly it will probably be just 1 map, 3-4 new weapons, and the Kalediscope rework

[solar tinsel]

Renewal change doesnt come until S2 I believe the video said

[velvet sand]

AAA Quali-TEE baybee

[hot bronze]

True.

[arctic grove]

I blame it on the map design. Im sure if the maps were of higher quality it could work with 128.

[solar tinsel]

I mean, I guess a Battle Pass too but... we havent even heard WHAT that is. How many tiers, types of content, etc.

[craggy marten]

SEASON 2?!

[fallen vapor]

I'll only try them out if they make it possible to play with more than 3 of my friends. have a large group of people that I play with but playing 2042 (even an improved good 2042 game) would hurt us if we can't all play together.

[craggy marten]

Are they actually mad?

[solar tinsel]

mhm, watch the end of that section of the vid

[velvet sand]

It's 99% map design, these launch maps are some of the worst maps I've ever played, and the flag placement for 128p breakthrough was often some of the most smoothbrained shit I've seen

[solar tinsel]

Seems like Kalediscope changes are S1, Renewal S2

[fossil trench]

So 2024?

[hot bronze]

map design is key. 128v128 would work if you have proper map design and gameplay elements.

[arctic grove]

Also lets not forget they were working on a br game halfway and decided it was a bad idea. (so i heard but its just rumors).

[craggy marten]

Just to add like 4 pieces of furniture we have to wait 3 months?!

[shell ermine]

Imo their first priority should be getting the Portal maps and guns into the main game.

Honestly fuck progression and cosmetics for them too, just dump them in

[velvet sand]

OH LOL, the Renewal changes aren't even making S1 anymore. Jesus, is there anything DICE isn't delaying?

[craggy marten]

That's actually... oh my lord.

[idle rock]

season 1 next month thats means june or july

[velvet sand]

What the hell is seriously going on at DICE that everything seems to take them months to do.

[uncut bay]

presumably september

[solar tinsel]

We had this convo before I believem but it has to be the case. I mean, how else could the game and post-launch content be so behind?

[craggy marten]

What is modern gaming anymore?!

[velvet sand]

Paying full price of a half-finished game, waiting a year for it to get okay, then paying more for lackluster content updates.

[fallen vapor]

I'd rather have 64 with extensive destruction than 128 with almost no destruction. With how bad 2042 has been, the lack of destruction hasn't been talked about enough.

[solar tinsel]

This is sadly the "worst case" scenario for a roadmap. "New!" "More!"

[arctic grove]

Instead of working on that they took out 128 bt. A selling point for them. just like bf4. 64 player conquest on next gen was their selling point.

[solar tinsel]

Ok: how many NEW, how many MORE? How will they be earned? etc.

[hot bronze]

game development and engineering is hard.

[arctic grove]

Dice is garbage

[fossil trench]

And management is trash

[vocal adder]

Glad hazard zone got scrapped

[solar tinsel]

Like we can't even discuss the mechanics and systems on how these things will be unlocked? The season is a few weeks away!

[next onyx]

Considering the rushed state of the game it's no surprise dice is having issues getting it all together.

[hot bronze]

also very true.

[velvet sand]

Yet tiny indie devs with dozens of staff can put out better quality and more overall content than DICE, a studio of 700+ people (yes, nnot all development staff)

[arctic grove]

128 with mid levelution is possible but only on current gen.

[next onyx]

This game is on massive catch up.

[velvet sand]

Yo, if they rushed this game to launch we shoulda gotten a discount. Like, 50% off for a half-finished game.

[next onyx]

The devs know that and they're doing whatever the fuck they can.

Yeah ea doesn't want that.

[fallen vapor]

Yes, but not with the amount of production time Devs are getting.

[dapper berry]

they also changed management post-launch

[wide violet]

reinstall bf3

[craggy marten]

The game fell down the stairs and broke its neck before it arrived to its catch session.

[arctic grove]

Bf mobile will have destuction! a fucking mobile game. if they can do it then so can current gen.

[velvet sand]

I'm sure indivudually this is 100% true and the devs are busting butt. But from a DICE studio perspective, it doesn't feel like it.

[next onyx]

Welcome to the gaming industry where you need to release your game before the holiday season for that cash.

Who cares if your game is broken the devs will fix it later.

[velvet sand]

Except you don't, spring is extremely popular to launch your game.

[next onyx]

That's the mentality we have now and it isn't going away.

[velvet sand]

So...their games will all be rushed trash forever under this mentality. WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

[craggy marten]

But even if they delayed it they would probably still release the game in some lackluster state.

[frosty mural]

love that they are making boris looking more russian than before anad a beard on mckay

[next onyx]

Well that's not what EA or Activision thinks apparently edge.

[solar tinsel]

I'd honestly be fine if DICE said "you know what, we messed this one up, here's a refund for the Year 1 pass of your purchase (If you bought one) and we're going to focus on the next BF exclusively and get it right there". I'm afraid 2042 catchup will take away from the next BF, which ideally would be designed the way we hope (since the community is clear)

[arctic grove]

AAA companies releasing half bake games during holidays is the true bad mentality.

[next onyx]

Yeah itty for mackay is more in line with his concept art.

Does this mean angel will get his beard too?

[velvet sand]

"UwU we were foced to sell our incomplete game for full price UwU, pwease be nice to us while we fwinish our gwame. It will twake twime, so pwease be patient."

[solar tinsel]

Then again, maybe this is why 2042 has no new content, maybe they are effectively putting more focus on the next title.

[next onyx]

Lemme share some pieces.

[hot bronze]

devs hate this so much. bc its never the publishers and management that gets the hate from the community. its always the devs. Devs dont get to decide what launches or not.

[velvet sand]

I do love that for DICE gritty = more beard

[craggy marten]

Is the Korean girl gonna end up looking like some Final Fantasy 8 character?

[shell ermine]

I'm really worried that the Portal maps and guns won't make it over to 2042 until like the Fall or even Winter.

[arctic grove]

I ALSO NOTICED THAT

[solar tinsel]

Plus, have we even heard of if Portal will get new remasters?

[dapper berry]

i'd rather have beards than gasmasks

[arctic grove]

No news on portal yet

[edgy oriole]

they changing boris into no cap

[wide violet]

shout out to DICE adding bf5 player movement into 2042 this late into the game

[velvet sand]

If they want to achieve Maximum Grittiness they need to give everyone beards like ZZ Top.

[craggy marten]

Why not both?

[dapper berry]

you madman, we do not have this kind of technology yet

[solar tinsel]

I couldve sworn the plan was to also add new Portal content alongside new AoW content, but its hard to tell these days

[hot bronze]

though not necessarily wrong lol. More beard == GOODER

[frosty mural]

Next month with the release of Season 1 we’ll see a big update that will not only bring this new content to the game, but also deliver new Quality of Life enhancements, fixes, and improvements that demonstrate our continued commitment to Battlefield 2042 and our mission of restoring the trust that many of you feel was hurt when we launched back in November of last year.

[next onyx]

I think it's either an actor they dressed up or i dunno.

[craggy marten]

That looks pretty cool

[shell ermine]

Is that what they are doing?

Crouch run returns?

[next onyx]

I won't deny I like that beard.

[craggy marten]

But will we finally get that concept art version of Boris? Dude looks like russian Captain Price.

[solar tinsel]

I get the sense they arent going to accomplish that mission 😆

[dapper berry]

no they're just improving the animations

[next onyx]

I hope we get a less puffy paik too.

[uncut bay]

already paid for it, nothing to do but wait

[arctic grove]

Boris will turn into a literal russian bear.

[shell ermine]

And get rid of her wallhack too

[hot bronze]

MORE beard == GOODER game. this is a fact. no one can change my mind

[frosty mural]

They are doing specialist updates in Season 2 lol

[fallen vapor]

you'll notice wording like that consistently throughout whatever the release. they are going out of their way to avoid publicly and clearly taking responsibility. they'll flirt with it and maybe insinuate it here ot there, but never outright.

[solar tinsel]

In all fairness, her ability is really not a problem. It's effective in only very limited situations. There are BIGGER problems in play here - IMO

[velvet sand]

DICE seems to largerly be following the BioWare "We need to make characters look like their faces were dragged through gravel at a young age" approach to character design (minus Rao)

[fallen vapor]

worst part about this update

[craggy marten]

Awe my lord, DICE is slower than sloths.

[velvet sand]

Wait, specialist updates/feedback loop confirmed for S2 too?

[solar tinsel]

And other than visual and audio, we dont even know what the gameplay impacting changes are

[velvet sand]

Literally what the fuck is the "WHOLE DICE STUDIO" working on? Like, can anyone from DICE tell me? BEcause it's not 2042

[frosty mural]

let me rephrase based on the photo - look and feel updates on specialists..

[edgy oriole]

I also hope they left out skins in roadmap was strategic bc i want skins that dont look like poopoo that i can buy/unlock doesnt matter to me.

[craggy marten]

No one cares about the radios except like 10 people

[solar tinsel]

I have to hope it's the next BF made under new leadership where the focus is "ok, clearly the community just wants classic BF again"

[velvet sand]

Cutting content, cutting support for content, delaying content, delaying communication and updates...literally what is DICE doing? Do they even have to put in a 4 hour workday? OR is it just showing up to complain about how unfair the fans/community are and that's a good days work?

[solar tinsel]

In my opinion that's the way to play it. If you're going to not focus on 2042, at least make the next BF game the way everyone wants it, and spend time to get it right

[uncut bay]

this is one of my last hopes. If the battle pass is lackluster it'll be a very tough season

[next onyx]

Radios were fun.

[craggy marten]

About everything else like game design, not the goddang radios

[fossil trench]

Hey notepads

[next onyx]

Whoop whoop it's da sound of da police!

[still vault]

Go away 😄

[next onyx]

Whoop whoop!

[solar tinsel]

If DICE is mostly focused on the next BF, it would explain why there's not much going on with new content in 2042. Other than JPEGs saying "new/more!"

[still vault]

It's da sound of da police

[craggy marten]

Got it all wrong? My guy, I've been in this server before the game cam out, I've witnessed it.

[still vault]

damn

[craggy marten]

That's like telling Neil Armstring he didn't go to the moon.

[fossil trench]

Why do my vehicle loadouts keep getting reset

[next onyx]

There was that one piece of heavy rock added in a hardline dlc that I could find.

[quiet shell]

Watching the developer update, its so obvious DICE needed more time. Like holy shit

[next onyx]

It was actually phenomenal.

[edgy oriole]

[velvet sand]

I can confirm that in the video we are talking about the Season 1 "map", singular.

[fossil trench]

Yeah blame EA

[still vault]

The ones most people don't exist? 😄

[next onyx]

It actually blasted through your ears and you became someone else.

[velvet sand]

fuckin lol, we are actually getting only one map in S1 despite all the delays and content they're cutting

jesus christ what happened to DICE

[solar tinsel]

that said, where was the official source confirming 1 map in S1? I admittedly think it will be 1 too, but hadnt found an official source yet

[uncut bay]

not solely EA. We've gotten plenty of tells from past developers that DICE management is also a shitshow

[velvet sand]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Discussion-Thread-Battlefield-Briefing-Development-Update-May/m-p/11511514/highlight/true#M106822

[solar tinsel]

thx

[craggy marten]

They got introduced to the Activision lifestyle once some of those lazy rats transfered over to their headquarters

[velvet sand]

wut?

[quiet shell]

On one hand I can understand DICE just spent the last 6 months simply finishing the game. On the other hand they should've been transparent with us on that instead of trying to call it improvements

[calm bison]

FUCK YES OH MY GOD

[craggy marten]

DICE got some Call of Duty dudes working for em when 2042 became the focus.

[velvet sand]

No, they're expecting a giant thank you party because they fixed their incomplete, busted game.

[velvet sand]

I'm still not connecting the dots. CoD devs (all three studios) do crazy amounts of work and push out pretty regular bangers.

[craggy marten]

Vanguard...

Literally any recent game before MW19

[solar tinsel]

Yeah to be honest. The more I think about this. DICE should just halt 2042 production, offer Year 1 pass refunds: honestly save these new maps for the next BF game. Like, if the new leadership understands now what the community wants a new BF game to be, focus those efforts into THAT game, not a game that has been essentially doomed

[craggy marten]

Black Ops Cold War.

[velvet sand]

Yeah, latest is shit too. But almost every prior one has been a banger (I haven't played in ages, but they sell well) so I'm not getting your posts outside of "lawl internet say CoD bad so bad hahahah"

[sterile hollow]

HEY! vanguard might not be perfect but its still fun and has a large playerbase unlike 1 game

[solar tinsel]

Take your learnings and new content and apply that to the BF game people want

[fallen vapor]

That's my biggest worry. Like I don't want to root against 2042. But my concern is that if 2042 makes a comeback and is decent. DICE and EA will feel like they can get away with specialists in the next game and get away with leaving out certain features like server browser.

That worry makes me hope that 2042 continues to fail because it'll be better for the franchise longterm.

[craggy marten]

Who the hell said I took my opinions from the internet?

[velvet sand]

Fuckin real. Refund us the Y1 pass and make an actually good game to support, but will never happen.

[solar tinsel]

100%. Listen, we all take an L sometimes. I'd rather have them view that as a learning experience, we all make mistakes. We grow from them

[velvet sand]

Don't worry fam, they've "learned from their mistakes" they've said...granted we aren't seeing any evidence of that in 2042 since they've said it. BUT THEY SWEAR THEY'VE LEARNED

[solar tinsel]

Let 2042 be a lesson and lets make the next BF game (Because as much as people want to say it - BF isn't dead outright). If DICE can make a content-packed, community-supported, polished new BF game, it will do well

[craggy marten]

They learned so hard they removed content.

[lilac dust]

1 single new map? 😦 Pls tell me we get multiple new portal maps in season 1

[solar tinsel]

no news on Portal maps I believe. My guess is: nothing, given the state of things

[velvet sand]

One. Singular. Map. THE WHOLE STUDIO IS WORKING ON THE GAME FAM, CHILL WITH THESE BRUTAL EXPECTATIONS

[fallen vapor]

sadly my belief that DICE can take learning experience is at zero. It takes a lot for it to get to that point. I'm a raiders fan and even at there worst, I felt like they could eventually learn and get better. Don't see that as likely with DICE

[calm bison]

I’d like to imagine that Exposure will be our new map, we may get a few new guns and some portal weapons, and then we also get the map reworks

[lilac dust]

I may be mistaken but didn't they promise new portal maps for every season?

[solar tinsel]

ha, I would normally say that, but I do think having new leadership will help, and Zampella is well credited

[velvet sand]

Remember that survey question floating the idea of 100% abandoning new content for Portal? That sure hits differentt now, eh?

[calm bison]

I’m gonna be honest, Kaleidoscope looks fucking sexy

[tender folio]

no news about more than 1 map

[craggy marten]

Omg they added dirt on the road, so sexy.

[solar tinsel]

To be honest I don't think it was so much a promise - but kind of an implied hope and concept that we all bought into.

[lilac dust]

Like when the game first came out didn't they?

[still vault]

I can see you are not happy but lets chill with the passive aggressive ALL CAPS shall we 🙂

[solar tinsel]

mmhm. When I saw that, I got that sense

[candid leaf]

why is the transport heli the stronhest vehicle in the game

[calm bison]

No the park, and all of the military installations. That shit looks good

[velvet sand]

I mean I guess, but I'm just trying to relate to DICE CM's who are probably not reading feedback or chat here how disappointed I still am, as one voice of many within the community.

[calm bison]

Admittedly it should’ve been there on launch but I’ll take it

[velvet sand]

I'm just hoping DICE can figure out something to get themselves an unqualified "win" with 2042 at some point. Because every "win" they've had comes with multiple losses.

[fallen vapor]

True, but will he be given the leeway to make the necessary changes and resist any stupid ideas? How many people are left at DICE that still believe in specialists? I want to say zero but people, especially when they get attacked for something they worked on for so long, can start to get defensive and double down. Only time will tell.

[velvet sand]

The accounting department really believes in specialists, probably.

[sterile hollow]

I think the bf devs are making a big mistake by going back to 32 v 32. the all out warfare maps are just too big, even with the changes being made. i feel fire fights will be less frequent. sniper spam will be increased. and what point is there to push if one team holds the majority of points. although it will be great for the portal maps especially the bad company ones.

[lilac dust]

With hazard zone support officially being cut. 1 new map is concerning for a game that launched with no single player campaign. I really hope the game survives into season 2, but they're making it tough to hold out hope.

[velvet sand]

I mean, it seems that this is honestly the best it's gonna get for 2042, and it will not improve in the future. They're going to start moving devs off of 2042 and onto the next BF as it begins to enter production, so that's even fewer resources for 2042.

[sterile hollow]

hazerd zone was a mistake they learnd nothing from firestorm and pulled the same move

[velvet sand]

So this is the "high water mark", it's likely all downhill from here. What a time to be alive indeed.

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I mean I'd hope EA, who sees $$$, can see the correlation between 2042s financial failure as a long term service, vs what previous games have done

[shell ermine]

What I really don't understand is if you can play 2042 factions with 128 players on Portal maps why is it taking any time at all to add Portal maps to the base 2042?

It seems like it should just be like flipping a switch

[velvet sand]

Honestly DICE still seem incapable of learning, or at least learning the actual/right lessons.

[solar tinsel]

If Zampella can convince him that class BF sells, then maybe there's a chance

[wide shore]

I’m just happy they’re putting some portal guns into AOW. There’s a chance for the AN94 BABY

[calm bison]

I wonder how Enders is gonna respond to this

[solar tinsel]

Mhm, they content gated themselves in the silliest ways. At least Portal weapons will FINALLY make it over

[velvet sand]

guns? I thought post only said portal maps

[lilac dust]

What did I miss with that news? I didn't hear about portal guns

[next onyx]

Who knows at this point haha.

[shell ermine]

Not for months probably

[wide shore]

The video, Lars said guns.

[calm bison]

They’re adding guns from Portal

[last swift]

We need BF1 in Portal

[shell ermine]

Game needs an infusion of content now

[fallen vapor]

with this 2042 experience I've essentially learned that CMs are pretty much Propaganda heads for DICE. They try to sugar coat everything and are the punching bags for DICE. They represent the devs, they have no loyalty to fans and don't seem to have much influence in the dev process anyways. I feel bad for them cause when things are great, It funs. When things are bad, they can't side with fans even though the fans may be right.

[next onyx]

They mentioned classic content into all out warfare.

[velvet sand]

eyyyy, they're drawing from existing content at least. That's something good!

[next onyx]

Not all but a small amount.

[solar tinsel]

The ironic part is the best S1 DICE could do is just add all 6 Portal maps and all Portal guns into AoW

[sterile hollow]

its the same with the live service there trying to do. its been an failer in every game they used it in except apex. just bring back $15 dlc for the bf games.

[calm bison]

Curious how they’re gonna tackle Hourglass and Orbital

[shell ermine]

Like they won't need to rework Valparaiso and Caspain Border at all for 128p Conquest. They both work perfectly for it.

[solar tinsel]

It'd be a cheap trick, but it'd add something-ish

[velvet sand]

Sadly that wouldn't change completely busted internal processs and bad leadership that resulted in the current state of things. Current DICE ain't the old DICE./

[calm bison]

Caspian border always felt like it was too big for 64 players

[next onyx]

Not sure. Honestly orbital isn't too bad, they could just adjust C to be closer or have two separate objectives closer to the action.

[sterile hollow]

true

[next onyx]

Was annoyed they didn't make an official 128p Caspian border.

As in a layout.

But than again.

[velvet sand]

I'm just hoping they add 128p breakthrough support into Portal so I have a reason to play again

[next onyx]

They were remasters not remakes.

[lilac dust]

Unpopular opinion = As they give us 1 single new map each seasonm the changes to the existing maps are removing entire areas and essentially cutting content / map space which I think could have been avoided at least for 128 conquest

[hearty flame]

Anyone got a qrd of season 1? dont feel like sitting through 15 minutes of "we've heard you"

[lilac dust]

Was that really the only option to balance them, cutting map space out entirely?

[velvet sand]

just skim the post, but the TLDR is: improvements coming, but overall lots of disappointment

[solar tinsel]

They just need to cut the boundaries on Hourglass I think

Like stadium to city, linear in a horizontal fashion

[hearty flame]

so i guess we should break out the coffin dance memes then?

[wide shore]

It’s a shame the Kaleidoscope changes aren’t coming until August. And Renewal isn’t getting it’s changes until S2

[solar tinsel]

And then maybe move structures into those bounds

[next onyx]

I'd prefer it if they remade hourglass to be like dawnbreaker.

[wide shore]

I sure hope the new map is really good.

[solar tinsel]

2042 had an odd aversion to linear style maps

[next onyx]

With an expanded city area with the stadium northern most.

[velvet sand]

Hold onto your butt for one new map in S1. Oh and they are dropping support for HZ (nobody will notice). And the Renewal map updates got pushed to S1. But we get some Portal maps/guns and they improved animations so they look like they're from this decade and not the early 2000's so that's nice.

[shy grotto]

Nothing will change your mind or satisfy you anyway

[solar tinsel]

Some of the best and most popular BF maps have been linear in nature, even if they were "open"

[velvet sand]

Plenty will change my mind or satisfy me. But not what DICE are continuing to infrequently communicate.

[solar tinsel]

Firestorm for example was open and linear

[lilac dust]

Ya know a way they could easily squeeze more content out of these maps each season is by having at least 3-5 areas of the new map split into 3-5 TDM or Rush Maps

[hearty flame]

Well seeing as bf3/4 have way better animations than 2042 we'll see

[low timber]

Was it mentioned when the portal weapons and gadgets might be added? As S1 already or later?

[hearty flame]

but wow what a shitter of a season 1

[lilac dust]

Wait can we do this ourselves in portal when the new map arrives?

[velvet sand]

The whole studio is working on the game, fam. Chill with the brutal expectations of more than the bare-minimum.

[hearty flame]

haha i cant tell if theres sarcasm there or not

[velvet sand]

I'm wondering how much time was wasted on listening sessions and town halls to get us to this point.

[velvet sand]

Absolutely oozing with sarcasm.

[hearty flame]

not much seeing as dice tends to be averse to listening anyways

[velvet sand]

naw fam, internal listening sessions like those that were reportedly happening in early Jan when they were coming back from break and apparently spent most of the month in meetings wondering why nobody liked their busted game

[calm bison]

I’m gonna say it right now but continuing to say brutal expectations with 2042 is like saying you’re too uneducated to play BFV

[hearty flame]

did these include the "blame halo infinite" meeting lol?

[velvet sand]

Yes, but officially DICE denies that.

[wide shore]

It’s completely taken out of context anyway. Not that the people saying it care.

[tiny imp]

1 map. after 7-8 month.

is gonne be a good map righ

[wide shore]

One can hope

[velvet sand]

I know the full context and poor Andy got way too much shit for what was a bad post. He's a genuinely good dude though, I just enjoy using it because it was a dumb phrase for him to choose to use.

[fallen vapor]

I think it's more reflective of how DICE had no understanding of how bad their situation was or how to properly communicate with a fanbase they just burned.

[hearty flame]

its a map they were working on before the map feedback so i doubt it

[velvet sand]

This guy gets it.

[low timber]

I wonder what gadgets they’ll cherry-pick from portal, most probable would be:
BF3 Claymore, Javelin, Eod Bot and Soflam (stationary)
BC2 M136 AT4 and Mortar Strike

[frank stratus]

oh my god...

[velvet sand]

Beards = Grit

[wide shore]

It also doesn’t help the game released so close to the holidays. Holiday releases should stop being as common as they are. Especially “live service” games. If you know you can’t support the game right when it comes out because you have a (deserved) Christmas vacation coming up, don’t release the game.

[frank stratus]

mckay looks like a dad now

[lofty nymph]

no support for HZ anymore XDDD

[hearty flame]

dirt smudges= grit lol

[wide shore]

There never was any anyway

[hearty flame]

so did hz die faster than firestorm or slower?

[lofty nymph]

yep, died before it was even born

[solar tinsel]

Not surprised, I think the map design of HZ went against what people wanted for AoW. Oil and water.

[tiny imp]

boris looks younger and mckay older xD

[frank stratus]

faster

[fallen vapor]

I like the new models. won't get me to come back though

[velvet sand]

Naw, tons of other developers/publishers can figure out how to release games (including online/multiplayer games) or major updates before he holidays and not screw it up. DICE had more than a full month post-launch before they went on break to push out updates and they actually did a BANGER of a job at that point.

[wide shore]

Firestorm at least got a map update.

[fierce gull]

Mckay looks like he had a tour in Afghanistan

[frank stratus]

FR ONG

[quiet shell]

They gave Boris a new face, glad to see DICE is getting rid of old people in a warzone.

[fallen vapor]

exactly.

[velvet sand]

They better not touch my girl Falck, the silver fox.

[fierce gull]

im also glad they covered his huge ass neck lmao

[hearty flame]

dont worry if they mess with her shes still in bf2

[frank stratus]

YEA

[fallen vapor]

Firestorm was imperfect but fun. some friends and I enjoyed it when it had a temporary resurgence when BF5 was free on PS Plus that one months.

[quiet shell]

I wonder if we'll get new and better music as well

[frank stratus]

just search up remixes lol

[wide shore]

I liked firestorm for what it was. I’m not a big BR fan, but I could rack up wins in that mode pretty well. Shame it died so premature. But it should’ve never been behind a paywall.

[wintry jasper]

Dice/EA will not make the necessary changes for BF2042 to become a good game, no-compromise company. I hope another company sees the potential of Battlefield Style games and starts making DICE/EA style games not just their ruin anymore.

[tiny imp]

No news about that. So no

[frank stratus]

like shadowstrider or something

[quiet shell]

Maybe it'll get shadow changed and hope no one notices

[edgy oriole]

i agree. there needs to be more competition. actual competition not bullshit "game killers" *to the last part not first part.

[velvet sand]

"game killers" don't exist and never have, legit they're just a creation of hardcore fandoms/haters.

Only "game killers" are legit the games themselves, like Lawbreakers was the Lawbreakers killer, and it did a really good job of it.

[mental delta]

They stopped hazard zone development, what a good decision

[royal swan]

Ooooooh the video they gave us was fucking good

[mental delta]

However only map is a bit irritating for season 1

[fossil trench]

Cowboy Woody after he experiences war

[elder patrol]

Wait is it good?

[mental delta]

Hopefully they add portal maps to AOW which is also a really good decision to me

[fierce gull]

i think they are

[lofty nymph]

dice pretends that its rocket science to make a game that the community likes, just remake BF3 duh

[fossil trench]

Remember the TTK fiasco?

[edgy oriole]

[mental delta]

Yes I believe they will do it during season 1, tbh idk why didn't take that decision earlier, with the 2 additional portal maps of season 1 AOW will get a lot more maps to play on

[lofty nymph]

no

[royal swan]

Dam right it's good

[fossil trench]

Like DICE still doesn’t care about what the community wants

They didn’t learn anything

[surreal crystal]

Eyo are we getting only 1 new map ?

[fierce gull]

i think so

[surreal crystal]

😞

[fierce gull]

i think we are gonna get more details soon but

[mental delta]

99% chances yes, that's why they will put portal maps into AOW lol, to make the chaos feel more acceptable

[velvet sand]

Yes, conffirmed to only get 1 new map in S1, and only one map rework (not two as previously stated)

[fierce gull]

this 1 map better be fun in the ass

[surreal crystal]

On god

[velvet sand]

though they're moving over some Portal content thankfully, so that's something.jpg

[mental delta]

Lol I would not rely on that, they said season 1 is june but I expect it to be the 20th of june

[hearty flame]

if you keep your expectations low enough dice will somehow manage to surpass it

[fierce gull]

pretty disappointed that specialist rework and renewal map update is in season 2

[unreal spire]

Ok... Im happy with the direction the game is taking (just saw LevelCap youtube video...)

Hope it improves the game

Too bad that it seems that the updates are slow to be implemented

[velvet sand]

I'm still blown away that DICE claim that "the whole studio" is working on 2042 and this is the best we're getting.

[royal swan]

Angels new voice lines are better

[mental delta]

That's what they're trying to do with us all

[velvet sand]

If this is the full might of the 500+ (let's take it down from the 700+ that actually work there to account for non-dev staff and folks on other projects) then like...what the absolute hell?

[arctic grove]

Icl, actually have hope for this game now

Bros Mackay with the beard and his cowboy clothes looks like your typical southerner who would drive a ford truck with truck nuts while owning a shotgun.

[mental delta]

That's risible to see how long it takes to make one map playable, while the said map should be playable from launch

[sacred depot]

https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1529139573523197954?t=NIPcHOVJ277MDbyoN1TOzA&s=19

Battlefield Bulletin (@BFBulletin)

BREAKING: EA DICE is stopping development of #Battlefield2042's Hazard Zone. It will stay as part of the experience, but they’re no longer actively developing new experiences or content/maps for the mode across the seasons.

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Twitter · May 24, 2022, 4:37 PM

[velvet sand]

12 shotguns*

[brazen trellis]

Hoping this improves the game enough to bring ppl back but the game should have fucking launched like this

[sacred depot]

what a joke

[hearty flame]

People are gonna come back to see season 1, find they cant reliably play the new or reworked map, and figure that its still a bunch of shit maps with however well the new and reworked map is, and then leave it again

[arctic grove]

seems more accurate

[edgy oriole]

they shouldve killed HZ a month after release

[royal swan]

You got to apply communication, artwork, ideas, and the fact that you have no idea how to develop a game

[fierce gull]

should make it free if they are gonna stop

[sacred depot]

call of duty revealed their new game today and bf2042 hasn't even reached season 1 and content cutbacks are already happening

[brazen trellis]

I mean I don't hear too many ppl giving a shit about that mode anyways its like firestorm

[edgy oriole]

they couldve also did this to "save" it

[velvet sand]

I'm wondering if Portal is even getting anything enw in S1 at this point.

[royal swan]

Yes they will

[mental delta]

I think that's pure lie lmao, how could it take so long to make so few improvements with the complete studio on it

[hearty flame]

ripple is probably stuck saving dice all over again like in bf4

[sacred depot]

its about the idea that they're having to stop updating an entire core mode, even if it is bad

[frail sparrow]

"One final piece of news for you to take away from today’s video - we’re winding down future development on Hazard Zone." fucking hell, dice. It's firestorm all over again. A mode with potential and it fucking dies again due they won't wanna spend time developing ot. Pass it to another company then as a spinoff and let them make it f2p.

[edgy oriole]

potential

[velvet sand]

Porting over weapons/maps from Portal to AOW is a great move, but DICE is like...4 months late on that. That change should have been made around Feb/March to give folks "new content" and tide us over until S1.

[brazen trellis]

The game bombed they can't pay devs enough to work on it

[velvet sand]

Why does it feel like DICE is always like 6 months late with everything, and also a few bucks short.

[hot bronze]

I much rather them focus on what the majority of players engage in. some times its best to just shoot the horse.

[mental delta]

They should just stop making particular and unique modes like that, that's the second time it doesn't work, they should have just not tried it a second time after firestorm failure, people just don't want some BR mode on battlefield games

[shy grotto]

Lots of talks of the portal guns bring ported. Where is the link for that

[brazen trellis]

It should have launched like this

[arctic grove]

rip my 100 bucks on that content cut

[fierce gull]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/Updates/Battlefield-Briefing-Development-Update-May-2022/m-p/11510768?cid=73726&ts=1653408001733&utm_campaign=bf2042_hd_ww_ic_socd_twt_kingstondevelopmentupdatemay2022&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter#M54

[frosty mural]

have you guys watched that video i nthe blog post? They speak about Hazard zone - "we haven't gained the traction we wanted for it" lol

[mental delta]

What do you mean ?

[arctic grove]

BRUH HOW ABOUT WE HAD A SHITTY IDEA

[hot bronze]

did you watch the video?

[frail sparrow]

A casual version of tarkov. It's fecking neat, man

[lofty nymph]

this is the year

[velvet sand]

"We released this quarter baked mode that we barely played oursevles and we're completely surprised that nobody likes it!"

[edgy oriole]

its no surprise. a literal waste of time mode

[brazen trellis]

They're throwing stuff like the m16 and other guns into main game

[shy grotto]

Read the post. Kinda difficult to watch the vid at work

[edgy oriole]

https://www.playscavengers.com/en HZ is a copy of this not tarkov or hunt.

[lofty nymph]

its not even coming close to EFT bro, stop coping

[eternal storm]

idiots. they needed something to redeem the game and making this into a tarkov-lite wouldve helped alot

[hearty flame]

hazard zone has dice like "we havent tried anything and its still broken"

[sacred depot]

2042 will probably have portal guns as seasonal weapons now that i think of it

[eternal storm]

just like firestorm- WE DIDNT DO THIS GAME MODE PROPERLY SO WE ARE GIVING UP ON IT BEFORE EVEN TRYING IT PROPERLY

[hot bronze]

thats fair. they talk about it there. Its a great video. when you get the chance, check it out

[carmine dawn]

Haven't had time to watch the vid yet, just a simple question does it seem like we're going in the right direction?

[velvet sand]

They just don't have the resources, man. They're a tiny AAA studio of over 500 people. Give them a break.

[shy grotto]

Thanks for the info. Ill watchbit during lunch

[mental delta]

Yes makes sense, I don't have any problems with playing AOW on portal maps, but angel with 1942 weapons would be a bit cringe lol

[eternal storm]

lol

[edgy oriole]

map fixes look pretty good.

[velvet sand]

Depends on who you ask. Arguably yes overall, but for many folks they're still not.

[frosty mural]

Guess CoD DMZ game mode would be better...cause they actually try

[hearty flame]

with several smaller support studios too. these poort aaa devs /s

[gaunt swift]

Such a shame they killed off hazard some before it could even be really born

[velvet sand]

They'd better given that it's taking them 4 months to update a single map, lol.

[frosty mural]

I thoroughly enjoyed Hazard Zone, and I played matches every night with a squad of people

sucks

[shy grotto]

Thosee "many people" wouldnt give a shit about improvements anyways.

[mental delta]

Yes a lot of improvements are going to the game, however it takes too much time, you can only expect kaleidoscope rework for season 1

[brazen trellis]

Probably just be bf3 weapons since that's the most believable

[velvet sand]

I'm one of those "many people" and I actually care a lot about improvements.

[hot bronze]

yes, Its a bummer that it looks like we are only getting one map rework at launch and one map but everything else sounds great. It gives me hope fore future work they do. Would love for them to keep giving us videos like the as well

[velvet sand]

Like, map changes to Kaleidoscope are great. But delaying the changes to Renewal and only releasing a single new map after all this time is a fuckin joke.

[edgy oriole]

my guess is that it took them so long bc they were trying to figure out if they wanted to keep 128 or not. i was so blind to it

[mental delta]

Only two maps are going to be reworked for the moment, and only one will make it in season 1

[hearty flame]

Im waiting here with popcorn for all the bored trolls to come back and ignite things again. season 1 will provide content somehow somewhere

[eternal storm]

i dont think it will at all. maybe another few thousand players for a week max. their roadmap is 1 specialist, 1 map, and fixing the current stuff. cOnTeNt

[solar minnow]

I told you 128 was gone

[velvet sand]

I still wouldn't be surprised if they killed CQ128 at some point in the name of "it's not tactical" to further save time and only have to design maps around 64p

[carmine dawn]

I just want more guns lol

[shy grotto]

Sorry, i meant to say, any kind improvments would not make you happy because you already have a predetermined mindset of what those improvements ought to be.

[edgy oriole]

next map rework needs to be B sector of breakaway. imo the B sector is what kills the map.

[mental delta]

BF3 and BFBC2 weapons could be a thing in AOW yes I wasn't thinking about that, but not 1942

[mental delta]

Where is the point B on that map ?

[velvet sand]

And you'd be wrong, but I appreciate that folks are just dismissive of any and all criticism because "lol you can never be satisfied". It's much easier than actually engaging with it, y'all should apply to DICE.

[hot bronze]

How I would describe season one "Took way to long. but its the direction I am happy about"

[arctic grove]

So next month right?

[edgy oriole]

The points that are wide open and just shows the view of all the enemies jumping and parachuting off the mountain.

[fierce gull]

yep

[edgy oriole]

[hot bronze]

early june is the last they said

[shy grotto]

Im okay with criticisms but if thats all you have to say about any improvments coming out, thats on you.

[arctic grove]

[brazen trellis]

Yup although having Vietnam Era weapons would be like basically having ww2 weapons in a modern war

[solar minnow]

some of it not all of it right away.

[arctic grove]

That would really piss off the fanbase and kill the game.

[eternal storm]

if people think adding a specialist, and a map are going to save this game AT ALL then they are going to in for a sore time

[subtle sonnet]

https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/

[mental delta]

The two ones on the oil rig ?

[velvet sand]

Is what all I have to say? I talked up some good changes and down some bad changes. Is that unacceptable unless it's all praise for DICE or something?

[solar minnow]

they did it with breakthrough so it makes sense they might do it.

[hearty flame]

people are gonna take any scraps of content they can get

[eternal storm]

this update needs/needed to be something HUGE.

[charred hemlock]

battlefield 2042 is still trash

[edgy oriole]

no oil rig is D since its the last sector.

[arctic grove]

I prefer just some of the BC2 and BF3 guns making the cut, and maybe the M1 Garand for funny

But mostly I’d just prefer new, modern and near future firearms

[charred hemlock]

man i cant believe its til crappyafter all this time

[slate meadow]

sigh i actually liked hazard zone but i guess it means they can focus more on the rest of game

[velvet sand]

Yeah...I'm honestly shocked they're not prepping to blow us away with a huge and surprising drop for S1 after all this time. 2042 really needs it to bring folks back and bring in new folks and like...I feel like S1 ain't gonna be it and it's just gonna be a sad game that limps to the end of Y1 before being quietly dropped at this point.

[solar minnow]

so I guess were going to have 2 scars now in AOW

[stone cradle]

I'm actually surprised they're improving movement, that's great.

[mental delta]

Yes it would be a bit weird, tbh as the game sets in 2042 I would like to see more weapons like ak24 or the pbx

[hearty flame]

hey man its just that we've got brutal expectations for a aaa dev

[stone cradle]

Just copy BFV's.

[celest oar]

hope those gun from portal just content filler and they don't actually think that new content. Those gun from portal are barebone af.

[solar minnow]

they are slowly

[mental delta]

That's a good news yes, with the suppression of angel and other specialists cringe voices it will be a major improvement

[arctic grove]

Lol, it’s not even the first season yet, and that one is pretty damn good, it’ll be fine for those who are playing and will pick the game up

[solar minnow]

it's the same animations from old bf games just minor improvements.

[arctic grove]

This is a battlefield 2042 channel get out

No embed?

[velvet sand]

animation improvements are great yo, wish they'd been in the game at launch and not 8+ months post launch, but at least it's an improvement.

[charred hemlock]

battlefield hardline was better than this

[feral cairn]

Hazard Zone was killed in the crib, had potential and they just said nope to a third of the game.

[edgy oriole]

this matters none to me looks exactly the same and its a FPS game.

[arctic grove]

Hardline lol

[fiery shoal]

cool? but i dont really see how these kind of changes are even a priority

[lucid goblet]

@arctic grove if you wish to discuss COD got to #other-games

[shy grotto]

Thats a weird way of saying its different.

[umbral vigil]

They really just gave up on hazard zone huh

[velvet sand]

It's the DICE way. If it's not an instant mega-hit, abandon it and don't waste time trying to improve it.

[hearty flame]

theyve barely improved to bf3 animations lol

[fierce gull]

hardline was W

[brazen trellis]

I feel like this will be fucking amazing in a year

[arctic grove]

It’s definitely not a priority but the movement being more predictable and realistic is great, especially for snipers cause holy hell

[fiery shoal]

it wasnt a hit at all though.. not even a little

[eternal storm]

same here, in the back of my mind i was like, maybe theyll knock it out the park and add shit tons of weapons, and new maps, game modes etc...but everythnig is shit. theyre getting RID of game modes not adding. i mean we dont even half HALF the modes bf5 had lol

[velvet sand]

itssomething.jpg, hey man, I'm just looking for something to say DICE did good on. It's hard because those things are few and far between.

[glad mulch]

Did I understand this correctly? They are abandoning hazard zone?

[edgy oriole]

wait right side doesnt even look up

[umbral vigil]

At least they said something this time instead of just abandoning it like Firestorm which I miss

[velvet sand]

Yes. It'll still exist, but no more support.

[arctic grove]

Keep in mind half of those are dead

[feral cairn]

totally would have done that with the game as a whole if it wouldn't open them up to lawsuits.

[edgy oriole]

New animation update you cant look up confirmed

[umbral vigil]

Yup it's unfortunate because I actually liked it

[mental delta]

It was good they should have just not presented it as a real bf game and only like a far far spin-off

[solar minnow]

The new specialist voices are still a little weird.

[glad mulch]

Wow man it’s just like firestorm.

[arctic grove]

Don’t make me throw you into conquest

[umbral vigil]

I can't get over the change to McKay's face it's so weird

[edgy oriole]

[hearty flame]

You dont praise a someone for fixing a mess they created right? so why should we do it for dice

[velvet sand]

Watch, next time they won't pre-sell Y1 passes and shit in case they need to quickly abandon the next BF title after launch.

[arctic grove]

[arctic grove]

The war made him become a manly man

[velvet sand]

Because if you don't find at least something positive to say about DICE here people get all buttmad for some reason.

[arctic grove]

He is man

[charred hemlock]

bro the game runs to slow and choppy i cant even play

[eternal storm]

this game doesnt even have permanent tdm, and squad tdm doesnt exist, or domination. AAA game my butthole

[feral cairn]

That would be best for everyone lol.

[arctic grove]

Boris looks 10x better as well

[umbral vigil]

yeah but his face sagged down 2 inches lol

[solar minnow]

it's more like his concept art

[arctic grove]

He had to sacrifice for war

[edgy oriole]

updated boris is great value

[velvet sand]

Boris got a facelift, and beards = grit!

[stone cradle]

finally, they act like real humans and not robots

[fiery shoal]

nah, most people just get tired of hearing the same shit over and over that everyone knows about

[arctic grove]

Hopefully we get concept art Paik

[arctic grove]

Boris now looks like a russian bear

[velvet sand]

TIL I'm gritty all the time with my little beard.

[umbral vigil]

I think Boris looks better before than after

[solar minnow]

they are looking at the old concept art.

[celest oar]

what tf are those people with invisible name don't have avatar

[velvet sand]

Well good news, now we have a whole bunch of new things to complain and be disappointed about after today's blog post.

[umbral vigil]

I just hope they introduce more cosmetics like Rao's weekly helmet

[arctic grove]

Concept art paik and falck pl0x

[hearty flame]

looks like meats back on the menu

[fiery shoal]

really sad if you get off on that.. but hey, you live your life

[arctic grove]

I have no idea what season 2s description actually means but I’m sure it will have quite a lot to do with that

[arctic grove]

took them 7 months to realize it but hey its progress.

[white geyser]

About they show us some updates for season 1

[edgy oriole]

new update cant look up. confirmed robots.

[fierce gull]

would get many players back

[charred hemlock]

maybe they will add a gun or 2 in like a year sumthin

[arctic grove]

Personally though, 7 months and now they’re realizing what’s up, and we’re just now walking into year 1, leaves plenty of time for improvement

So it’s fine with me

[sacred depot]

https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1529149331030278145?t=0H-G08yxe5upaJGsaaXLRg&s=19

Battlefield Bulletin (@BFBulletin)

NEWS: #Battlefield2042 Season 1 will be adding some of the #BattlefieldPortal weapons & gadgets into All-Out Warfare, as well as the popular "Rush" as official mode. Starting in Season 1, players will see more of the existing #BattlefieldPortal maps joining the rotations in AOW.

Twitter · May 24, 2022, 5:16 PM

[arctic grove]

Skill issue

[velvet sand]

I...don't? Why does everyone here keep talking like they're inside others heads. I'm just here as a member of the community voicing my continued discontent with my $100 purchase of the Gold ediition of this game.

[arctic grove]

[sacred depot]

i called it, most the content we'll get will be recycled

[umbral vigil]

I don't understand this change

[lavish hawk]

okay so here is my biggest gripe right now regardless of this and that
I played with my team of five years we were in a full squad of four people then my son joined the party player no. 5 and well he ended up leaving the party and watching some youtube videos because playing by himself was not fun and even when he did join or spit up squad we all get split up the following round Now In a game that has been a team based game since day one how are you meant to play as a team when you can only manage 4 players this should be at the forefront and a Huge talking point simple basic feature!

[fierce gull]

adding rush to aow was a good move

[edgy oriole]

something the community has been asking for.

[arctic grove]

The portal Gadgets and guns will do well when and if devs decide it’s time to start gadget and gun locking to specific classes

[stone cradle]

Please do, I'm tired of hearing "don't be sad, this is just how it works out sometimes" for the 50th time

[umbral vigil]

the community is stupid

[sacred depot]

they're recycling content from portal (e.g guns) into AOW

[next onyx]

Give us a fast rocket launcher in the SMAW and we're fine.

[edgy oriole]

partially agree.

[hearty flame]

don't be sad, this is just how it works out sometimes

[next onyx]

YAH.

ANGEL DOES IT AGAIN.

[edgy oriole]

or even a rocket launcher that doesnt take 6 rockets to blow up an armoured vehicle

[fiery shoal]

because 90% of your comments are the same meme comments shitting on 2042, you literally got off that dice announced something so you can complain about it..

[sacred depot]

there is little chance we are getting anything new for season 1 atleast

[umbral vigil]

God I hope not the animations for most of them are terrible

Watch the difference between the BFV M1G and the 2042 M1G

[mental delta]

Me too, this a good specialist but his dialogue lines make him detestable

[velvet sand]

Please, tell me more about myself dude. You seem to know me very well.

[hearty flame]

ya imagine having standards for things to get excited about and not just happily eating up any scraps you get

[fiery shoal]

theres a search history that shows your main talking points are: dice not learning, dice not listening, frostbite sucks, etc

[sacred depot]

reload animations feel somewhat slow which is my problem but they can be pretty decent

[fossil trench]

Don’t be sad. It just how it works out sometimes

[arctic grove]

it is now recycling to add common firearms into AOW

[stone cradle]

[fiery shoal]

i havent had 2042 installed for some 5 months now, nice try though

[craggy marten]

Why did they take so long to add such a basic mode like rush into All Out Warfare?

[cedar turtle]

Season 1 is more proof this game wasn't ready on launch.

[arctic grove]

2042 needs an M4A1 anyways

[hearty flame]

Im not talking about that. Im talking about the fact that we can be disappointed in the scraps of content for a season delayed by months and voicing it

[charred hemlock]

yea fugg dis trashgame its not even

[velvet sand]

And now I'm talking about the lack of S1 content announced (a single map lol), them being 3+ months late to port over Portal guns/maps to AOW, the removal of 128p breakthrough while not refunding folks who bought the game specifically to play that, the delay of further communication (specialist feedback loop) and map improvements (renewal) and more. Man, almost like it IS a whole bunch of different things!

[fiery shoal]

thats not the talking point though

[craggy marten]

That shouldn't even be asked in the first place by DICE, they should have just put it in without a second thought.

[stone cradle]

probably because they want to drop everything at once

[velvet sand]

Some of which, tie back to recurring themes like...DICE being bad at communication.

[stone cradle]

But yeah I'm glad they're adding rush, finally a guaranteed fun gamemode

[arctic grove]

then again lets be real

1 map because they are already complicated and difficult enough to make, not only generally, but in a way where gameplay isnt overly intrusive appealing to one playstyle

[cedar turtle]

"heres what the DICE devs are working on" TLDR; still finishing the game we paid full price for.

[fiery shoal]

yes.. because like you said and i clarified, theres new content for you to complain about and youre seemingly happy about it.. which again is sad

[hearty flame]

is it not? hes just voicing his disappointment about s1

[charred hemlock]

rush gay as hell boi

[craggy marten]

Bait

[cedar turtle]

Master

[velvet sand]

I'm happy? Can you quote where I said that bro? Or is this more, "Discord users can actually read your minds." stuff?

[solar minnow]

I like how they said they are sensitive to our feedback.

[stone cradle]

well tbh it's half their fault for trusting an EA game's promises

[arctic grove]

meaning its their profit if they dont listen

[cedar turtle]

adding detailing and objects to the map, smh

[fiery shoal]

you dont have to specifically say "im happy" to have your other words read that way..
"Well good news, now we have a whole bunch of new things to complain and be disappointed about after today's blog post."

this certainly doesnt read any other way...

[arctic grove]

great for infantry combat, which had too many clear and open vantage points

[cedar turtle]

More fundamentals the community shouldnt have to request from a game developer.

[velvet sand]

Man, imagine missing the obvious sarcasm in "good news" there. I bet you think that the Professor on Futurama actually had "good news" each episode and that wasn't a running joke.

[arctic grove]

its not really predictable lmao

[solar minnow]

lol

[fiery shoal]

sorry, for someone like you whose identity is the same 3 talking points and shitting on 2042 that i dont catch onto some text sarcasm...

[hearty flame]

triple a dev from a studio hundreds strong with multiple support studios by the way

[velvet sand]

Seriously bro, do I live in your head rent free or something? Because that's a super deal if so.

[fiery shoal]

nah, its just annoying that youre constantly in this chat saying the same things, most of which is just nonsense to seemingly fit in

[stone cradle]

DICE for some reason can't just copy over stuff to other games, I remember when they didn't have a server browser for some modes in BF1, they did it again with 2042 🤦‍♂️ .

[velvet sand]

Also, did you miss my post where I shared all the exciting new talking points in response to today's post? Or does that not exist because it doesn't fit in with your fantasy version of me?

[hearty flame]

well theyre copying in animations from 3/4 so theres that

[velvet sand]

I hope I have ripped fuckin abs and pecs in your head. I've always wanted those.

[fiery shoal]

sorry, i dont watch this chat 24/7 and notice absolutely everything you say

[stone cradle]

yeah, they've finally realised you can actually copy stuff from your older games

[arctic grove]

designing the maps is one thing, but theres not really any way for them to know how it would realistically play out in execution (game release)

no amount of studios would be able to figure that out, unless they pulled in a ton of people for private playtesting and delayed the game for like a year plus

[velvet sand]

weird, because the way you type you sure seemed like you did before I pointed out I was talking about other stuff

[quartz fog]

So are people still complaining?

[cedar turtle]

all I can say is fuck

[fiery shoal]

it will never end

[quartz fog]

Good to know

[arctic grove]

all the studios can do is design the map, then they realize this or that doesnt actually work in execution, so they have to go back and change it

[hearty flame]

i mean they could always bring back ctes but who has the budget for that anymore

[charred hemlock]

atleast ther gonna add a fw guns

[solar minnow]

You sound like a DICE employee.

[fiery shoal]

if thats your conclusion, you think highly of yourself.. which you shouldnt.. like i said, im just annoyed that everytime i check this chat out youre in here with the same talking points

[opaque oracle]

Lol

[hearty flame]

not even add a few guns. just make them usable in another mode lol

[cedar turtle]

But they aren't designing the map. They are adding chairs, sandbags, and other details to otherwise EMPTY areas.

[arctic grove]

more people to shoot down with actual valid arguments

its always satisfying when they resort to "whatever game shit and dead"

[velvet sand]

I mean...this is not accurate. Internal playtests, bringing external folks into the studio for playtests (which is common), remote playtests with small groups under NDA...lots of optoins.

[opaque oracle]

.

[quartz fog]

Negativity is addicting to some people

[arctic grove]

how much time would that need? there is no other option, it would require several months if not a year as i said

[hearty flame]

I mean when theres a fire some people like throwing gasoline on it

[arctic grove]

wouldve been catastrophic to do, but then again you wouldnt be wrong if you said the game shouldve never began its rollout in June to counter it

[charred hemlock]

i read a thing that said dice might remaster bf 3 and 4

[velvet sand]

Depends entirely on the quality of the map and initial feedback from testing. But if they're scoping out content properly and roadmapping (i.e. beginning work on new maps months in advance so there's actually time for testing without interrupting their release schedule) there shouldn't be any major hiccups unless things go SUPER sideways.

[arctic grove]

id love a bf3 remaster

[cedar turtle]

BF3 remaster would've been a hit!

[velvet sand]

Maps require a different type of testing for sure, but they're new content that needs to be playtested before shipping like anything else.

[charred hemlock]

yuhp

[hexed mango]

@edgy oriole this gives me hope

[edgy oriole]

[charred hemlock]

oh there adding oenew map in season 1

[hearty flame]

just the one

[charred hemlock]

one new

[edgy oriole]

map reworks look good.

[arctic grove]

true, but it was pretty much set in stone once the rollout began last summer, although it wouldve been best ultimately to wait

but of course, holiday moners

[solar minnow]

man, people who ask questions like why "are they still complaining" or "why are you hating" are seriously narrow minded.

[fierce gull]

been going that forever

[velvet sand]

I mean, they should have had the first S1 map in testing by the time they shipped 2042 if they were properly setting up development pipelines.

[hearty flame]

cant spoil their sunshine and rainbows

[arctic grove]

im fine with the criticism

the same subreddit quips are old

[cedar turtle]

You know its a mild update when the second featured item is "updated animations"

[solar minnow]

for real. it's cringe man.

[hexed mango]

i liked that they addressed specialists in regards to looks and voice lines, i didn’t expect that

it was honestly a really good catch-up post from the team, good stuff

[cedar turtle]

Its like when 30 seconds of a game trailer is the player chopping wood.

[velvet sand]

Yup, the "highlights" are pretty damned underwhelming for a big AAA game. This would fit better with an Early Access release from a small indie team.

[solar minnow]

your just making yourself look dumb.

[hexed mango]

plus, the movement changes look dope

[edgy oriole]

the animations look no different to me. maybe im just big blind tho.

[hexed mango]

idk i can’t wait for S1/2

[hearty flame]

those farming sim players would be through the roof though

[velvet sand]

They're definitely better. More turning at the hips vs. shuffling your feet so feet are always facing fowards.

[arctic grove]

the movement changes will be great for sniping, way more predictable and realistic

[edgy oriole]

yeah i saw they added a little more bass to angel

[solar minnow]

how?

[hexed mango]

i didn’t see that in the video but ok

[edgy oriole]

ig thats something i dont pay attention to bc im looking through the characters eyes and im focusing on killing people not if their hips move a certain way

[cedar turtle]

2042 is the biggest battlefield moment

[arctic grove]

look at how mackay moves, that movement is much more realistic and will definitely help with sniping, current movement in comparison... well

[fiery shoal]

technically true, but everything else is a step back

[velvet sand]

it's for enemies m8, provides more "realistic" movements that should improve your ability to actually hit shit if the netcode/servers aren't being shite

[solar minnow]

you just see which way their character is facing and that's how you tell..

[arctic grove]

im not talking about that

look at the body movements when running and turning direction

[fierce gull]

are they gonna add another battlefield title to portal?

[solar minnow]

yeah only thing different is he sways. not a big deal really.

[velvet sand]

Nothing announced, and given the survey questions they may eventually drop content support for Portal anyways.

[hearty flame]

Im just waiting for the season 2 announcement for discontinuing portal now

[fiery shoal]

i think its a rather meaningless change, i never concerned myself with feet shuffling or not when shooting at targets..

[solar minnow]

yeah, AOW will be the main focus.

[arctic grove]

you can tell when a player is going to move in a specific direction....

[edgy oriole]

thats what im saying. like the only difference im seeing in the animation video is the running and how the "after" video he doesnt look up.

[fiery shoal]

didnt have that problem before though...

[arctic grove]

their body literally shifts into that direction before they move

[solar tinsel]

Specifically, the gaslighting spin it will have
"Frees up our talented Ripple Effect team..."
"Free from the shackles of legacy content"
"Allows us to bring you new content"

[fierce gull]

portal has huge potential
dumb move if they discontinue it

[solar minnow]

makes no sense bro but okay.

[junior pike]

🤔

[arctic grove]

then you need to go back and look a little closer

[solar tinsel]

The biggest mistake DICE made with Portal was to not leverage its content in a way that could yield meaningful progression. Either by adding the content into AoW directly, or by giving Portal proper progression support

[fiery shoal]

100% no one is looking at feet for movement, they just react to to the direction change

[velvet sand]

I still can't get over "shackles of 128p mode" in the update. Like, holy shit tell us you regret the push for 128m more explicitly, DICE lol

[hearty flame]

lol poor ripple. imagine being shackled to dice after pulling their ass from the fire with bf4

[edgy oriole]

portal is future of battlefield for sure.

[solar tinsel]

For a game hurting for content, content gating seems like a siully thing to do

[solar minnow]

lmao.

[solar tinsel]

Yeah the crazy part is - I can see their logic with the BT 128 change. I personally enjoyed 128 BT, but if they said "hey, we want this experience, many people like it, and we want to keep player populations healthy", ok - fair enough! We all make mistakes

[velvet sand]

I don't even get the updated Portal rules...so it seems worse than it is now? No-changes is full progression, but literally any changes to Portal turns off everything except the very low 300xp/min cap?

[solar tinsel]

but to say their previous decision "shackled" them, come on

[solar minnow]

yeah, that's them taking the L.

[edgy oriole]

only time im looking at feet is if they are trying to be a stinker hiding behind an object that they dont know has a bottom opening. EX. behind a vehicle .

[velvet sand]

"it's not tactical" remains one of the lamest excuses I've ever read for removing something like 128p breakthrough

[fierce gull]

many people were bitching about 128 breakthrough cuz it was too chaotic now people are missing it

[edgy oriole]

if people are looking at feet when they are shooting at the enemy no wonder you are having issues killing.

[fiery shoal]

it feels like people complaining about not being able to tell what class an enemy is... like it really doesnt matter, you gotta kill them before they kill you

[solar tinsel]

I mean, it's not tactical. But that also didn't mean it wasn''t fun either. I liked it because it was substantially different from CQ

[edgy oriole]

its the only thing i played.

[solar tinsel]

It was madness and chaos, a fun alternative to something tactical

[solar minnow]

I'm sure once performance gets better they'll bring back 128 breakthrough.

[solar tinsel]

Not every mode needs to be the same, in fact, they shouldnt

[fierce gull]

i can just make 128 breakthrough on portal

[solar tinsel]

This really came down to player populations, I think

[arctic grove]

The problem is I was not talking about feet, you can clearly see the torso move into the new direction lol

[solar minnow]

No, breakthrough isn't in portal...

[velvet sand]

That plus performance, I wish they'd just be honest with us.

[fiery shoal]

the problem is that none of that matters..

[fierce gull]

well fuck what about rush

[oak crest]

Reading the new blog if it’s just one map for all out warfare and none for portal during season one that’s not good. It just is not good and I hope that’s not the case.

[solar minnow]

yeah you can do Rush

[solar tinsel]

But Im guessing EA/DICE didn't want to convey that player population is an issue, for a multitude of reasons

[arctic grove]

It depends on what you're saying it matters according to, for sniping, yes, it matters

[fierce gull]

128 player rush

[velvet sand]

Yeah, if it was available in Portal (128p breakthrough) complaints would be a lot less...but we don't even have the option to create servers.

[solar tinsel]

I'd prepare for it

[edgy oriole]

i want 128 frontline

[solar minnow]

your the only one with this opinion.

[arctic grove]

More realistic movement compared to what we've got now does, in fact matter

[arctic grove]

OH NO THE CHAOS! THE FANS WILL HATE IT!

[solar tinsel]

I can only hope that the lack of new 2042 content has been due to them focusing on a new game instead. At this rate if this is what the rate of development is with all hands on deck making new 2042 content... well.... lord if thats true

[white geyser]

They need to update bad company 2 portal, some of the weapons and vehicles is from the original bad company 2

[fiery shoal]

id guarantee that if there wasnt even a walking animation vs this "better" animation, it wouldnt make a difference on if you hit your shot or not

[arctic grove]

It's not an opinion though,

I can see where the new player movement animation changes can actually have a real effect and advantage for certain gameplay

But I wouldn't think someone who already doesn't gaf would such as yourself would, lol

[oak crest]

They literally have the answers to the test. Simply bring fan favorite maps to portal from the different eras. The homework is already done for them by previous battlefield devs. I’m just hoping they wisely have maps ready to go for portal.

[solar tinsel]

It is an improvement, for sure. It is a bit wild that we're seeing "look at how players move" so late after launch. That's the type of stuff they showed literally in a Frostbite engine trailer way before a game like BF3 was even announced

[fiery shoal]

this is especially flawed when talking about sniping too, considering you have to lead your shot and bullet travel is concerned... you can only shoot ahead to predict where the enemy is going, hip animations dont change/help that...

[solar minnow]

Cool story.

[dapper berry]

It's gonna help read payer movement

[hardy leaf]

mw2 artwork is dope

[arctic grove]

he knows it helps read player movement but insists for whatever reason

[solar tinsel]

I get the sense that technical issues make it harder to port over than we think. Otherwise you'd imagine they would have hail mary-ed all the Frostbite engine maps they could have

[fiery shoal]

because just watching the model move is hard?

[arctic grove]

Not if you can't react once you see the telegraphed direction for movement

[fiery shoal]

you physically see them move, feet or not thats what you lead

its really a cosmetic change since the shuffle just looks goofy

[hardy leaf]

the ops in mw2 look badass unlike the cringelords bf 2042 specialists are

[arctic grove]

You are technically correct, but again, its a more realistic movement in general, way better for snipers/marksmen

[dapper berry]

The swaying conveys inertia

[fiery shoal]

not how videogames work..

[solar minnow]

player movement is so basic it's easy to tell. lol if you can't then well.. your not a great player.

[arctic grove]

Where can I see em at

[dapper berry]

Bet ?

[solar tinsel]

hold up, is someone here upset that the movement animations are being updated? Whats going on here? 😆

[fiery shoal]

100%

[cedar turtle]

Tbagging is the only movement we need

[arctic grove]

The movement is fine, but the animations are, again, more realistic

I think a great player would realize that the change helps you hit more shots since movement can be telegraphed realistically

[dapper berry]

Try turning 180 deg ingame and tell me you don't slow down just à bit

[oak crest]

I guess you could be right. The maps we have were hand made affairs then maybe? And not simple ports to the 2042 engine? I guess we’ll see next month. I’ll hope for the best but expect nothing at all.

[hardy leaf]

https://twitter.com/CallofDuty/status/1529137835764228097?s=09

[arctic grove]

It is literally that simple but you literally refuse cause you MUST be negative lmfao

[fiery shoal]

lul wut? are you serious?

[fossil trench]

I love avenging teammates while teabagging the guy who was teabagging them

[dapper berry]

Go try it and tell me

[fiery zenith]

We are watching a game being made

[arctic grove]

You are watching it being improved

[fiery shoal]

100% your turn radius is not influenced by some mechanic that a dev put in to be realistic to hips range of movement.. seriously.

[calm bison]

Also while we’re here can we discuss Ryan’s magnificent beard?

[solar minnow]

not being negative. Just disagreeing with you. I like the new movement animations but it doesn't add much in terms of gameplay. your just blowing this up cause not everyone shares your opinion.

[fiery shoal]

no one is saying its a negative, we are just saying its not this game altering change that will be super helpful

[dapper berry]

The inertia is already there is what i'm saying, it's just not protrayed in the animations yet

[arctic grove]

It's realistic and great if I need to make adjustments for movement when the person I'm shooting at... moves, lmao

[arctic grove]

I honestly believe they dont have any portal maps available. Why would they? They are only focusing on fixing/changing the game and dropping content for the year one pass.

[fiery shoal]

absolutely no game has a "slow down" on turning...
edit: maybe some mil sim games like tarkov or arma does, not at a casual level though

[dapper berry]

Bruh you must be joking

[eternal storm]

judging by the fact portal is barely being improved in s1, can we all admit its a failure just like hazard zone

[solar minnow]

okay, I don't care enough about it so you can ramble on. lol

[velvet sand]

Well, we don't know what Ripple has been working on so there may be some more portal maps coming in S1.

[hardy leaf]

we are watching nothing been made, its just gonna end up like anthem, even worse

[arctic grove]

no, but its a small attention to detail improvement, something people wished 2042 had more of among other things... right?

[solar tinsel]

Goes to show the state of the game that folks are splitting hairs on the impact of animation changes (which likely will have some, even if minuscule or imagined) is what happens here versus 9 months with no new maps 😆

[fierce gull]

i better see some motherfucking hardline content

[solar minnow]

Hoping for Metro

[fiery zenith]

In some ways but not directly addressing that the mouse input is still an issue worries me the most.

[fiery shoal]

as someone that deep dives mechanics and stats a shit load, ive never come across any mechanic that has a slow down on turning, that just sounds like a way to piss off FPS enthusiasts

[arctic grove]

"its useless"

explains how it will be very useful

"do not care"

[soft swallow]

Medics doesn't revive, people ask revive in dangerous areas, people just think to KDA and people who actually conquest it's very less... when people will learn how to play? Well never they actually are kids that came on Apex

[solar minnow]

they have to Metro or locker.

[arctic grove]

Only possibility i seem them doing is adding maps without warning. Like they did with the removal of 128bt.

[velvet sand]

At least Anthem was a good core idea. 2042...not so much, though unlike Anthem it's not gonna get quietly killed.

[solar tinsel]

That would be strange if that happened ha. You'd think they'd share that

[hardy leaf]

it will when only 20 people are playing it

[velvet sand]

WE'll have to wait until they reveal full S1 details I guess, but I'm not optimistic.

[dapper berry]

I'm talking mouvement speed, not sensitivity

[arctic grove]

"still useless"

completely reject a reasonable explanation for how useful it is, especially to playstyles like sniping that can be totally offput by the current movement system

[solar tinsel]

That hasnt happened since the days of BF2 "oh hey here's Wake Island in this patch, just because!"

[solar minnow]

Anthem was a new IP with no fanbase built which battlefield has. That's why they won't kill this game.

[solar tinsel]

It's at least why the FRANCHISE won't be killed outright, Im not so sure if it's worth holding onto 2042 though 😆

[edgy oriole]

Ive been saying this for months. i havent seen this convo in so long.

[arctic grove]

for a year yeah but thats about it

[solar tinsel]

I do believe the franchise isn't dead though, there's value in the franchise for sure.

[fiery shoal]

how do you turn 180 degrees in game without using your mouse?

[arctic grove]

but i cant recall the last time a battlefield was held onto for longer than a year anyways lol

[solar minnow]

for sure. the mobile game looks good lmao.

[arctic grove]

even beloved V was dropped

[oak crest]

Was thinking that the mode is so popular and people are having a blast playing BF3 and Bad company operators and maps that they’d add more of the same. But if it’s just the 2042 part of the game getting one map I mean I guess that’s just the way it goes.

[arctic grove]

then again yeah 2042 and aow is the main thing about this game

[eternal storm]

lol portal is utter shite. oh heres bf..but only 2 maps from it

oh heres bf3- with 6 weapons and 10 attachments

[hardy leaf]

majority of people playing 2042 are just coping hard at this point

[arctic grove]

game would need more time than dice will give it to add much more than like, 1 or 2 maps

[fiery shoal]

or they just enjoy the game despite it flaws? or have nothing else? theres a lot of possibilities...

[arctic grove]

nah

i just like the game

[hardy leaf]

they are working on next game already

[arctic grove]

only for bad company 2 SPECIFICALLY*

[solar minnow]

of course they are.

[fiery shoal]

people act like this is new...

those same people act like bf earning 10% of EA revenue is new too..

[solar minnow]

that's what I'm thinking.

[arctic grove]

you still got to realize theres like 3 other games in portal give or take 2042

[hardy leaf]

it will be even worse so people will call 2042 good, just like now they call bfv good

[prisma anvil]

[solar minnow]

I doubt that but we'll see.

[arctic grove]

they will

[solar tinsel]

I don't know, if you look at the two side by side, BFV still looks better than 2042 right? 😆 Not just visuals, but overall

[arctic grove]

someone said on last gen especially it does look better

[solar minnow]

The people who made bfv and 2042 are gone so I'm not expecting a big fall like this game.

[solar tinsel]

I think 2042 will be recognized for some positives: I think the PLUS system is a great addition, I think it had some decent gunplay (after being balanced), but I dont know if it will be looked back as a good BF game

[hardy leaf]

yes it is better than 2042, but it looks more better because 2042 is so bad

[hearty flame]

right the new people learning a new engine will do better lol

[solar minnow]

Exactly.

[solar tinsel]

I dont think like, EVERYONE is gone. Mostly leadership. Which is where 2042 could have beneffited from

DICE still has people there familiar with the toolsets

[fiery zenith]

They have an IV drip

[hardy leaf]

90% of them are gone bro and its a fact.

[hearty flame]

Im betting that its the devs that leave and leadership that stays

[still vault]

@hardy leaf Read the #500058972234055710 . Especially rule 10.

[eternal storm]

maybe to do with the art style being better on V

[solar tinsel]

Over what timespan are you talking about here lol

[arctic grove]

heart ablaze; one question

source?

[solar minnow]

admin calling you out lmao

[hardy leaf]

their leader was the one who made candy crush and now he left,

[oak crest]

This bugs me. The entirety of the 200 plus devs there should only be working on 2042 and new content for it, fixes, etc. This I believe has been there problem and undoing. Working on multiple projects at once rather than all hands on deck for one at a time. I wonder if Andrew Wilson realizes DICE and their games over the last 4 to 5 years have suffered because of this.

[eternal storm]

this discord turned into a dumpster fire fast lol

[hardy leaf]

alright

[arctic grove]

reddit moment

[hearty flame]

the discord reflects the game lol

[solar tinsel]

Well, DICE has a new lead now in Zampella, that was done after 2042s launch

[arctic grove]

cause more "cuz 2042 bad" fuel

but at the same time thats more opportunities to get a "whatever, game shit" out of people

[hardy leaf]

tom henderson

[fiery shoal]

theres way more than 200 devs, and surprise.. some of them have the sole job of working on the next title

you dont get the guy working on concept art to jump into map developing because of a lack of content...

[solar minnow]

this is a constructive discussion not bashing parade

[arctic grove]

hes not reliable ill tell you lightly, lol

[solar tinsel]

However, EA also needs to be willing to let game creators design with play in mind: and not try to force Zampella & co. into marketing-led gameplay or chasing trends

[eternal storm]

realistically, theyll try and fix the game up a bit over the next year then itll die. they want to spend the least amount of money in order to save just enough face to get people to buy the next one

[arctic grove]

some of it is, generally? absolutely not

[arctic grove]

apexwarzonefield

[hardy leaf]

well he is reliable for the most part

[solar tinsel]

I get the sense that if EA didn't encourage (or former DICE leadership) chasing the "royale" trend, that BF2042 would have been a different game entirely

[solar minnow]

depends how sensitive you are.

[arctic grove]

apparently hes mostly failed with 2042

[arctic grove]

I agree. EA only cares about money and statistics

[solar tinsel]

Just goes to show that marketing concepts do not translate to game success.

At least not always

[solar minnow]

looks great!

[hardy leaf]

but he talked to devs that left the studio and many joined another studio and advertised the game they working on in game awards

[arctic grove]

But hey the marketing team who made the trailers really knew what they were doing. Theu fooled us Bf vets lmao.

[arctic grove]

this kind of proves to me youre just here to find any reason to disagree

because there are so many examples of people not actually providing any sort of criticism, just saying whatever "cause 2042 bad"

[still vault]

Kinda digging the new more battle torn editions to the existing maps

[velvet sand]

Finally, 7-10 months post-launch and one of the launch maps will be complete!

[hot bronze]

Ya the map changes look amazing. you see even more in the video

[eternal storm]

its a step in the right directino, but lets be honest its too little too late

[fiery shoal]

original

[velvet sand]

Like, the changes are unarguably good...but holy hell how has it taken this long.

[arctic grove]

Looks great for a game getting ready to be launched out of beta. Its a big improvement.

[solar minnow]

Not true but okay.

[solar tinsel]

EA/DICE has always had a great trailer team. I dont know if its the same people, but historically they've done good work there. They deserve the credit for what they do, Battlefield has had great trailers historically

[velvet sand]

Yes still relevant, almost like some things remain true.

[hearty flame]

map rework wont even be lauching until well into season 1 lol

[solar minnow]

lmao true

[arctic grove]

it is ABSOLUTELY true and i say that with 100% confidence, you can ask literally anyone that is here commonly if you dont want to take it from me because you clearly want to disagree on everything

[still vault]

Indeed. Just wish it went a bit faster.

[solar tinsel]

I believe Kaleidoscope changes are coming with S1 launch if Im not mistaken. Is there something sayung otherwise?

[edgy oriole]

What wouldve been smart (i just thought this) if they already had battle torn version ready to drop. and the seasons couldve been a story mode. that way the end of year 1 aka season 4. the maps would be completely blown out.

[fiery zenith]

Yeah. I found them to be pretty vague about everything.

[hot bronze]

everyone can agree with that

[arctic grove]

I can agree. I just wish 2042 had the grit and mechanics of previous bf games.

[hearty flame]

i think it was coming in like august

[barren shadow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/563139253542846477/967125501024022609/IMG_2300.gif

[arctic grove]

kaleidoscope in S1 yeah, i think maybe one more? im not sure

[edgy oriole]

so each season the maps would be more and more war torn.

[solar tinsel]

Don't we all 😆

[arctic grove]

This wouldve worked well if dice had come up with it.

[solar tinsel]

Renewal changes are S2

[arctic grove]

like what from what game?

[solar minnow]

I'm not going to explain myself to you cause you seem like you already made up your mind so move on like I did.

[edgy oriole]

hire me

[arctic grove]

bf4 and bf1

[arctic grove]

you literally came to me about it......

best bf games on last gen.

[solar tinsel]

I think S1 is only Kaleidoscope changes + 1 new map + 1 new specialists. Nothing else confirmed other than more vague stuff like "battle pass + more weapons + more vehicles"

[velvet sand]

https://i.redd.it/smqg3feolg191.png lol the generated subtitles on the video