battlefield-2042

[edgy oriole]

I mean i like the game and will try it out, but like i said months ago. knowing the game can play 128 players i wont enjoy it with less. so we will see if i gotta retire officially ill give it a week to see if i can adjust.

[scenic tartan]

Some of the highest ranked players in 2042 were people who quit matchnaking until they could play attack on 128 bkthrough just so they could farm

[fossil trench]

I play Breakthrough 99% of the time

[solar minnow]

this change to breakthrough will probably drop the player count even more...

[summer crescent]

I haven’t played 2042 in a couple of months

[hybrid steppe]

DICE being too lazy to fix their own game so instead of balancing the map the decision is to remove one of the key game modes of the game

What a fucking circus of a game studio

[brittle forge]

Who gives a shit about some losers, the mode was still good and really doesn’t have a reason to be outright removed. Tweaked? Sure. Removed? lmao no

[scenic tartan]

Maybe they will later but drawing people to a better experience for now is the better choice

128 breakthrough was cancer and caused a lot of bad opinions and impressions of the game because casuals would get put on defense and go 1-20 and lose by 675 tickets then hate the game

[night vessel]

hire this man into the map modeling team https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/us0x18/my_ideas_for_reworking_the_a_tower_on_kaleidoscope/

[scenic tartan]

Breakthrough 128 was more easy for attackers than playing against bots dude it was worthless and dumb

[hybrid steppe]

So instead of fixing it, the solution is to throw in the towel and nuke it completely?

[solar minnow]

most people like the chaotic 128bt.

[fossil trench]

This is exactly what I think about it being removed

[scenic tartan]

Yes the mode was utter trash

[edgy oriole]

my sweet 128bt

[hybrid steppe]

NOT FOR SOME, I PLAYED IT EXCLUSIVELY

[fossil trench]

128 player BT wasn’t enjoyable

[brittle forge]

Your experience is completely different from mine 128bt was the only mode that felt like a bf game to me. like 64 is fine but the maps are too big

[scenic tartan]

If you spent time playing breakthrough 128 you might as well have been playing solo co op because defenders were completely irrelevant

[fossil trench]

It was a mess and it didn’t fit the maps

[edgy oriole]

Well i hope they atleast add frontline so i can have some fun. im not playing conquest.

[smoky plank]

prolly needs time to rework - map design was a little poor for BT128. New maps might address that, and the upcoming map redesigns

[scenic tartan]

People getting upset because they can't just farm helpless defenders isn't a legitimate complaint

[tacit sphinx]

honestly i would be kind of interested to see the 128 player versions of the maps that are staying as that on next gen be ported to last gen, since they're now used for 64 players there's in theory no reason it shouldn't be able to be used on last gen other than maybe performance if the maps are massively bigger

but to my knowledge it shouldn't be anything that can't be handled

[scenic tartan]

The whole game should have 128 player modes removed

[analog stirrup]

spudbug is absolutely right

[brittle forge]

None of your criticism is universal though

[hybrid steppe]

It's fucking astonishing how low standards DICE shills have

[scenic tartan]

It is the #1 issue that caused almost all the problems with this game

[solar minnow]

64 players doesn't fix the issue

[fossil trench]

Bruh get over it. People have different opinions

[scenic tartan]

128 players was a huge mistake and it caused the bad map design

[brittle forge]

Like my 128 player breakthrough experience does not match yours at fucking all and you’re acting like every defending team you’ve ever played is complete fucking morons

[brittle forge]

tell that to Spud lmao

[edgy oriole]

hopefully 32v32 will be fun but i doubt it for me personally. itll be good if it brings players back tho.

[fossil trench]

I’m no shill but I actually agree with him

[hybrid steppe]

This game was advertised as a 128 PLAYER GAME. REMOVING 50% OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS REASON TO BE UPSET

[low timber]

So Anghel can still revive with armor?

[solar minnow]

this is true

[clear hull]

new update don't care since honkai update is coming too and am pretty excited for it over bf2042

[fossil trench]

And what is complaining in all caps gonna do?

[brittle forge]

That’s fine but “people gave different opinions get over it”

[analog stirrup]

i got several T1's by shooting A.I bots in break through 128 man. the mode is a joke. the server doesn't even fill up most the time until half the game is already over.

[velvet sand]

Was? Is still advertised with 128p breakthrough. And I'd be surprised if DICE updates all their marketing materials to remove those mentions. Gonna be a lot of disappointed folks finding out a mode they just bought the game to play doesn't exist anymore.

[uncut bay]

sentry gun nerf thank fuck

[brittle forge]

That’s a problem with nobody playing the game not 128 player breakthrough lol

I had bots in 64 player conquest for fucks sake

[solar minnow]

so the reason to get rid of 128bt is because there aren't enough players??

[analog stirrup]

i don't have that problem in conquest 128 man

[edgy oriole]

no i can kill an easy killable object even easier

[fossil trench]

Did Bush do 9/11?

[uncut bay]

probably due to performance and just general flow. The game has more than enough players to fill a server

[brittle forge]

I had bots in 64 breakthrough too!

[solar minnow]

sad...

[scenic tartan]

128 breakthrough was the worst way to play this game and was the source of most of the complaints about vehicle spam and caused a ton of negative impressions by people who get thrown on defense over and over and lose by 680 tickets

[analog stirrup]

yeah, there's bots in 64man but it doesn't take half the match to fill up with real players, unlike 128 player matches

[tacit sphinx]

yeah i think it did need a nerf but it feels a bit heavy handed, most of the issues for me came from when you've got people boosting it with turret operator since you could literally just walk forwards in a straight line and it wouldn't hit you (when unbuffed)

[solar tinsel]

At the end of the day DICE has to balance between maintaining a healthy player base for the players that are remaining vs. what they initially advertised (which yes, does indeed advertise 128 players for Breakthrough).

It sucks, and is obviously the result of poor pre-production on the game, but at the end of the day I feel like DICE also has an obligation to try to improve the experience for the players who have been sticking around, and if that means consolidating the available modes, I think it just has to happen.

[brittle forge]

128p conquest is equally as responsible for all of this and the “worst to play the game” is flat out subjective

[fossil trench]

I think it’s more like a mistaken attempt to please the people complaining about map design

[low timber]

Lol, barely got T1 on the M5A3 on that round

[velvet sand]

Then offer everyone partial refunds/store credit for removing a major gamplay mode and selling point for the game.

[arctic grove]

Ok im hoping at least to create a portal server with 128 players

[velvet sand]

Or, alternatively, nobody cares how "hard" it is for DICE to deliver us the game they promised us. I want the game that DICE sold us, not the incomplete mess they actually released that they're continually trying to drop support for.

[edgy oriole]

Im fine with killing more turrets. I used to headhunt them bc most of the time i had brain dead teammates that forget you can shoot it and kill it with 10-12 shots. free exp for me

[brittle forge]

what is this gonna do to help that other than just generate more bad press. Why is 128p Bt getting removed before fucking Hazard Zone, which barely anyone plays?

[analog stirrup]

128p breakthrough is the only mode that takes 10 minutes to join most days, every other game mode doesn't even take half that, if not just instant join. people are dropping 128player breakthrough like a bad habit

[solar tinsel]

I mean you can investigate a class action if you really feel that's worth it. I'd honestly say it probably isn't worth it - but that's just me

[uncut bay]

hope this doesn't go overboard again

[arctic grove]

[edgy oriole]

im finna kiss so many tracks

[velvet sand]

It's not worth a class action and I'm not an internet lawyer. I'm just saying DICE is doing us dirty and we legit just have to lie down and take it.

[smoky plank]

You act like its outright cancelled forever, when with each patch thus far has played around with different aspects of the game

[analog stirrup]

it should've never been nerfed to begin with

[solar tinsel]

Nothing is gonna truly help this game at this point until they either announce a sequel or complete rework/revamp with the new leadership

[uncut bay]

it was broken as hell initially, it needed a nerf

[velvet sand]

Then DICE can tell us that they're planning to bring it back once they learn how to design maps. Otherwise it's gone for good until they say otherwise.

[tacit sphinx]

ignores turret
"hey why am i being shot by this turret? why does no one do anything about it "

[uncut bay]

announcing a sequel is the last thing they should do

[clear quail]

In asian servers, there hasn't been a single 128p breakthrough match since Feb. Everyone plays 128p conquest and idk why

[solar tinsel]

I mean, yeah it's a shitty scenario either way. Let that inform your further decision making behavior for future DICE/EA titles.

[smoky plank]

will be keeping a close eye on how our changes help to improve the experience ahead of the start of Season 1.

[uncut bay]

"hey we know this game is shit so what we're gonna do is flash another game in your face and hope you forget how badly we fucked you"

[smoky plank]

they kinda did

[velvet sand]

It has informed, but didn't need to. I already know I'm done giving DICE money after the horse shit they've pulled with 2042.

[solar minnow]

the next bf game got delayed so

[fossil trench]

People bringing up lawsuits are funny

[edgy oriole]

"Huh whats that beeping sound? must be nothing 6 seconds later oh wow i got killed by this thing so op. i didnt even hear it."

[solar tinsel]

Well, it may be a reboot of 2042.... but at the end of the day there needs to be SOME sort of reset. 2042 as is just has too much negative stigma around it and I don't think that changes until there is some push to redefine it entirely, be it a "2.0" or a new game down the road

[velvet sand]

That doesn't say what you think it says.

[fossil trench]

Imagine being able to sue whenever you don’t like something

[analog stirrup]

i'm in the same boat, i like conquest far more, it's BF main game mode and always has been, breakthrough is fun but only when it's 64man in my personal opinion, apparently the devs have seen the light too.

[brittle forge]

I love the assumption is that these changes are going to help

[arctic grove]

Also lets not forget DICE pulled the plug on bfv and swbf2 for 2042

[velvet sand]

Yes, S1 is the "relaunch" in this situation. But I don't think DICE are remotely set up for success with it, especially if it's set for early june (which is a DOGSHIT time to push this out with how busy the industry is with major announcements at the time)

[smoky plank]

it doesn't say what you think it says either

[tacit sphinx]

in fairness it was kinda dumb once you had someone sitting in the radius, but i think a few tweaks to its usual state and then just nerfing the turret operator buff would have sufficed

[karmic cobalt]

You guys act like they shouldn’t make new games. Yes this game sucked but they should still at least try to produce new ones…

[fossil trench]

HZ flopped harder than Firestorm honestly

[velvet sand]

Everyone's gonna be salivating over newly announced titles and titles getting launch date announcements in early June (even without E3). Nobody's gonna give a shit about a bad game trying to relaunch itself and shed it's well-earned dogshit reputation.

[brittle forge]

This is unironically the first time since the buggy-ass launch that I’m truly fucking angry at the game when I’d come back to play 128bt is what I would play

[edgy oriole]

you prolly right. bc all the complaints ive seen in here have been "i hate turret when boris lays there with pkp" and "it spots me through walls"

[tacit sphinx]

ah but remember there's a petition as well that makes all the difference

[solar minnow]

Now that I see people getting mad about bt128 change they might switch it back.

[low timber]

What weird to me is that the turret is a PKP that shoots in bursts

[velvet sand]

DICE just cannot stop from shooting themselves in the fuckin foot and making god-awful, backwards-ass decisions that will result in them killing this game/franchise.

[uncut bay]

wouldn't be a big issue if the game didn't turn out so badly. BFV and SWBF2 were at their peak and got pulled off life support so we could get... whatever this is

[solar tinsel]

Maybe, I'm not even convinced if S1 is the reboot. Has there truly been enough time between the new leadership coming in and S1's release? I know it's been a LONG time, but to entirely change the franchise it would require some fast movement.

Maybe it's possible, but there would need to be some significant design philosophy changes to indicate it's a reboot

[fossil trench]

Lmao right?

[eternal storm]

If bf went all in on hazard zone it’d be a turning point.

[edgy oriole]

What happened to all the petition reddit boys? did they finally realize petitions dont do anything

[analog stirrup]

damn dude

[velvet sand]

My point is S1 needs to be the reboot. There's no other opportunity afterwards short of them delaying seasons again and trying to do a big marketing push then. S1 is their relaunch, it's when they'll spend big on marketing. It's their relaunch. It's gonna be a disaster at this point.

[tacit sphinx]

probably got laughed at by the first lawyer they approached, if they got to that stage

[solar tinsel]

@velvet sand I imagine S1 will just be the same game with some more content. A reboot would be Zampella coming out and saying "ok here's how we're going to change what went wrong - we're making 6 new maps, we're going F2P, and we're changing how classes/specialists are handled

And right, to your point, which is why "the next" BF game under Zampella might be the reboot instead

[edgy oriole]

I am sad my sweet 128 is going ill still try the game and see if i enjoy it for a week or so.

[brittle forge]

Why should I come back at all after this? 64 players bt is ok but the maps are not adjusted for it at all and conquest in this game is complete trash

[eternal storm]

What makes you think they’d sink $$$ into marketing lol…they’ve made their money. They’re just gonna make the game “decent” and move on to the next title

[solar tinsel]

I'm not saying it would be good, but poor leadership is why 2042 failed and did not have a clear direction, so I'm curious to see how and if new leadership will help

[fossil trench]

Weren’t they asking for money?

[solar minnow]

thats what i'm thinking

[velvet sand]

Gotta spend money to make money. S1 is when monetization starts so they'll be spending to win-back lapsed players and bring in new palyers to buy the battle passes and cosmetics.

[fossil trench]

Ingenious way to scam people

[edgy oriole]

Reddit boys: Help we have this petition to sue EA for false advertising.
Lawyer: EA?

[tacit sphinx]

yeah

[eternal storm]

I think they’ll do the bare minimum

[velvet sand]

The petition was always well intentioned copium, it was dumb.

[solar minnow]

128bt on these terrible maps made it more interesting but pulling back on it just leaves you these boring maps

[analog stirrup]

lol e-petitions

[hearty flame]

If it did anything right it drummed up a lot of bad press for 2042 to compound its bad word of mouth

[fossil trench]

Got the exact product that was advertised

”fAlSe AdVeRtIsInG”

[brittle forge]

[uncut bay]

the false advertising claims were hilarious, except now they're actually starting to remove things that were advertised lol

[brittle forge]

64p Conquest uses like a badly chosen third of the map were the blatant waste of most of the map is pretty clear

[hearty flame]

maybe in a year 2042 will be a scuffed bf4

[solar minnow]

who cares about false advertising. The expectation wasn't meant here so why bother supporting them if they shill out this mess

[fossil trench]

There’s still 128 players, no? They just removed a mode

[uncut bay]

advertised 128 bt, removed 128 bt

[low timber]

My hunch was correct, tho i was doubting as well as there were no news more than one day before the patch.

[analog stirrup]

yeah, that's true but it's easier for dice to make it 64 player than to adjust every map in the game. that would mean they would actually have to work.

[uncut bay]

not saying it's grounds to sue, but the whole situation is just painfully ironic

[pallid acorn]

didnt they only make breakthrough 64 anyway

[solar minnow]

Way easier. if this how they fix issues I can't image the future for this game.

[solar tinsel]

I think one potential avenue Zampella could take is to reboot 2042 as something closer to BF4, where character skins are customization options for classes, and then they just make a bunch of really good maps. That's essentially designing a new game from scratch though, so I don't see it happening.

I'm curious as to if they are going to try to save 2042 and rebuild it long-term, or abandon it and focus on the next BF plan

[edgy oriole]

128BT

[fossil trench]

Does anyone actually disagree with 128bt being broken?

[hearty flame]

Im betting that vince is letting the original management scramble to work on 2042 while he leads a team on concepting the next bf

[uncut bay]

i only play portal so i can't comment, but last i checked 128 bt was too chaotic

[solar minnow]

it is broken but it's not the player count. it's the map design and balancing that messed it up.

[solar tinsel]

Thats my guess too.

Honestly if it was me, I'd say focus on the next BF, make it F2P and a true live service with a healthy content stream ready to go (plenty of maps and weapons), and give everyone who bought 2042 the first year of season passes for free as a courtesy

[edgy oriole]

It do needs to be ironed out since this is the first time they implemented it. Once they get the experience maybe theyll do better with the next battlefield or towards the end of 2042 life. *for 128

[solar tinsel]

and have the BF game just represent the BEST of BF's history: BF2/3/4 etc.

[velvet sand]

Honestly...I don't think DICE is legitimately capable of proper live-service support for any games at this point.

[fossil trench]

Trying to join a match right now. Like 45 minutes now

[solar tinsel]

With their previous leadership, definitely not. If they have good leadership I think they can do it
It's definitely something DICE has always struggled with

[solar minnow]

that depends on your region.

[fossil trench]

Servers are a cemetery

[hearty flame]

Ah but this is ea, not a charity case lol
and making 2042 f2p wouldnt save it because content couldnt come out fast enough for people

[solar tinsel]

Right, I'm saying make the next BF F2P, not 2042

[analog stirrup]

all the A.I bots in 128p breakthrough was fucking ridiculous, this was my main problem the maps were always 2nd to me

[velvet sand]

Maybe. Vince supposedly had to re-teach DICE that you're supposed to make games to be fun and retool tehir internal processes. But I'm not remotely confident at this point given the years of attempts and failures to do live-service right (outside of spending years slowly getting a game into a good state).

[fossil trench]

I’m MST in the US. No reason why I shouldn’t be able to find a match unless the game playerbase is buried 6 feet under

[hearty flame]

oh the next one. Ya that would just kill any hype behind it i think. no one looks at a f2p shooter and goes ya thats going to have a good live service

[solar tinsel]

It's a huge undertaking for sure. I'm confident in Vince, but it's hard to change an entire studio's culture and mindset - and it can't be done overnight

[solar minnow]

weird I just found a game after 10 seconds

[solar tinsel]

But they need to actually not release the next BF, if it's to be live service, until the first 2 seasons of content are already "In the bag ready to go"

[edgy oriole]

it is also crazy that they released the bomb ass 4.0 update then got ready to clotheslines us with 128 removal.

[solar tinsel]

so they can actually keep up with the content demand. If they produce a fun game with healthy content stream, the $$$ will follow

[fossil trench]

Conquest? I’ve been trying to get into a BT match

[brittle forge]

What is even stupider is that they announced this in a god damned patch, no community feedback session about whether it needs to be removed or whether such a radical change is necessary, it’s just gone, fuck you and what you think. Barely any reasoning for why it’s gone either

[solar minnow]

yeah BT 128

[analog stirrup]

Glad to see the NTW-50 is back, it should do even less damage to players and even more to vehicles IMO

[fossil trench]

wtf 💀

[velvet sand]

Or until they just finally finish basic-ass development and do a proper bugfix patch so their game isn't a completely unplayable nightmare at launch. Something they haven't achieved in like a decade+

[solar minnow]

I found two games so far on two different maps

[hearty flame]

they probably cant. they couldnt with V and that was with 64p maps. now they have to make maps for 128p

[edgy oriole]

yeah the vehicle damage nerf was a little too much.

[fossil trench]

Yeah I’m pretty sure the matchmaking is bugged. I can find a conquest match with zero problems

I’m playing rn

[solar tinsel]

yeah they had the same leadership back then though I think as 2042

[solar minnow]

This update feels like a low effort compared to last update...

[solar tinsel]

ha you'd think. I suppose they could also do a full early access period, but the issue with that is people sometimes get burnt out

[hearty flame]

if leadership is getting in the way of getting content out the door then dice is even more fucked than i thought

[solar tinsel]

yeah it's a more minor dot update. My guess is the S1 update next month will be bigger - likely not enough to save the game, but it makes sense why this month would be smaller

[hearty flame]

Also wheres the damn specialist feedback? are they trying to memory-hole it?

[velvet sand]

Early Access for a AAA game is both a massive embarrassment and completely undermining the point of Early Access.

[solar minnow]

removing 128bt was the cherry on top

[solar tinsel]

I think they've been seeking feedback for that on a handful of platforms if Im not mistaken

[smoky plank]

Last bit of QoL before Major 1.0 update - makes sense dev wise

[velvet sand]

Probably hoping we all forget about it. I'm not expecting it even by the start of S1. Just another DICE lie/mistruth they've given us.

[hearty flame]

Ah yes twitter, the best place for feedback. not like they were gonna look at reddit cuz its too "toxic"

[velvet sand]

No, they haven't. Feedback loops are separate from the surveys they sent out. They're supposed to be like the map one, and the specialist one was supposed to start legit over 1 month ago.

[solar minnow]

it doesn't though cause the specialist were suppose to get a overhaul. not just tweaks

[velvet sand]

Game needs more than "last bit of QoL" to prep for S1...legit none of the design related problems have even been touched, just bugfixing and some polish

[smoky plank]

Overhauls are typically released in Major/Minor updates and not small patches like this 0.4.1

[solar tinsel]

They have a billion platforms for feedback between social and their forums and their surveys. At the end of the day though if they were to completely change specialists, I don't think they'd be able to rush into that. I'll stand by my statement that Specialists are not the reason why 2042 failed.

[brittle forge]

If removing core game modes is a “last bit of QOL” this game is fucked

[solar tinsel]

I mentioned before if it were to fail or suceeed it'd be for all of the other reasons: gameplay, content stream, bugs, etc.

[solar minnow]

so removing 128bt was QOL?

[velvet sand]

They committed to these feedback loops in the Feb update. They said the specialist loop was coming "in a few weeks" around 7 weeks ago, there were supposed to be multiple feedback loops. There has been one.

[hearty flame]

its definitely a pillar of why it failed. the others being shit maps and shit ton of bugs

[edgy oriole]

yeah i wouldve never went back to reddit after death threats. so i dont blame them

[smoky plank]

They have the metrics to decide that

[solar tinsel]

I truly think if the game was genuinely good and supported with content I don't think we'd be having the same conversation about Specialists

[brittle forge]

Because twitter definitely isn’t known for doxxing and death threats

[edgy oriole]

twitter trash too.

[hearty flame]

I think we would because too a lot of people they dont belong in a bf

[solar minnow]

metrics aren't the solution. common sense is.

[velvet sand]

We would. Specialists impact every aspect of how this game plays and are directly responsible for huge aspects of the grossly uneven and inconsistent balance problems.

[hearty flame]

So they turn to uhhh checks notes twitter, which is definitely not known for death threats

[edgy oriole]

reddit = allchan people
twitter = complain/cancel culture people.

[eternal storm]

Even hardline was closer to baseline bf experience than 2042

[solar tinsel]

Perhaps - I would have preferred the traditional class system myself, but I also didn't mind having more variety on how to play. Again, it wasn't a dealbreaker for me

[velvet sand]

Man, are we still bitching aboutr reddit? DICE has official forums, you know?

[hearty flame]

Thats fine but if dice only listened to the people that stayed then 2042 would die

[analog stirrup]

imagine if weapon licenses from hardline made it's way to bf2042 lmao

[brittle forge]

To be honest it has nothing to do with death threats, the community sub Reddit just fucking hates the game even if constructive actual feedback is provided, it’s just ignored because community managers don’t want to do their job on there

[smoky plank]

metrics detail areas that need reworks and tweaks. Pulling BT128 before S1 could mean that some updates are planned for when after S1 drops to keep things smooth

[brittle forge]

Guys literally make full on prototype graphics for systems dice could use to fix the game but the comment section is mean so fuck the whole place

[solar tinsel]

Couldn't we declare that 2042 is dead already? Ha

[hearty flame]

I mean we are carrying its coffin but we'll see if s1 puts it 6ft under

[solar tinsel]

Again: I think 2042 has some fun moments. I still enjoy playing once a week - but honestly I find myself having more fun on the Legacy maps ha

[solar tinsel]

S1 would need to do some seriously wild stuff - the issue as time goes on, the bar for S1 gets set so high to a point where it likely is impossible to reach

[velvet sand]

Which is a uniquely DICE problem that's of their own making.

I'm a consumer, i don't care how shitty of a spot DICE positioned themselves with terrible planning and execution. I want the product they marketed to us.

[hearty flame]

dice hasnt had enough time to do anything wild with s1 probably. and im sure the bar has been lowering for everyone since the announced delay

[solar tinsel]

Agreed. This shows the value of pre-production and having a solid vision prior to launch. It ALL comes down to pre-pro, so many creative mediums do

[solar minnow]

I just can't see it being a positive..

[velvet sand]

Sure, but that's the past. We're in the now, now. I don't care how hard it is to fix their mistakes from the past. Fix them or just drop the game, fuck off, and hope people will buy the next game and for some reason trust the studio won't repeat all their same mistakes while being shitty and arrogant as hell again.

[analog stirrup]

everyone knows those death treats were from literal teenagers, but californians still live in mortal fear of the flu so of course they are hiding from means words

[velvet sand]

Californian here. We don't. Fuck off.

[analog stirrup]

K

[edgy oriole]

death threats are still death threats dude.

[solar tinsel]

True, I mean more for the future. That the next BF game needs to value that pre-production process, and I hope they do

[analog stirrup]

and nobody gives a shit

[frigid cairn]

lol the vision was combined arms warfare and they delivered but thats not what the playerbase wanted lol. the removal of 128p BT tells me they know most people don't like fighting vehicles so they're catering to the infantry crowd

[edgy oriole]

maybe all your friends at 9chan dont give a shit. clown

[velvet sand]

Jesus you seem miserable. death threats are bad regardless of if they're unserious shit from edgelord teens or not.

[dapper river]

californian here, california sucks ass. that is all

[edgy oriole]

"ahaha its just kids saying these things. nothing will happen" haha

[analog stirrup]

/yawn

[edgy oriole]

/block

[analog stirrup]

i'm surprised you didn't say 4chan

[edgy oriole]

these edgelords are something else bro. lmao. what community they come from before battlefield. unless battlefield community always been this trash

[brittle forge]

Death threats bad but I’m tired of people using them as an excuse to ignore constructive feedback or just more simple but reasonable outrage. Which is far from unique to DICE but still

[velvet sand]

Always been this trash, every large fandom is.

[frigid cairn]

i really dont think defending 4chan is a good idea especially rn

[fossil trench]

This ^

[edgy oriole]

is blocked boy defending 4chan i knew it.

[arctic grove]

Yo is the ntw 50 finally relevant now??

[edgy oriole]

put him on a watch list

[analog stirrup]

yes it is

[arctic grove]

Ayy

[analog stirrup]

and no-one here is

[eternal storm]

I just had to google what 4 Chan is

[solar tinsel]

Unfortunate this shit has to derail actual conversation, then again, that's the internet I suppose

[edgy oriole]

get out of there mag. you dont need to go there.

[calm bison]

Honestly I’m kinda happy 128 player breakthrough is gone

[brittle forge]

Is this some “<insert social media site here> was responsible for violence” bullshit

[calm bison]

That shit is too chaotic

[frigid cairn]

ok i guess im counting death threats as part of that because excusing those is actually worse and more accurate to what i meant

[eternal storm]

What’s diff between 4chan and Reddit I don’t get it #, other than presentation

[edgy oriole]

exactly

[dapper river]

discord is responsible for 84723805 killings in the past 2 hours (source; i googled it!!!! 😱)

[calm bison]

4chan has radical idiots, Reddit has idiots

[uncut bay]

4chan has more -ism

[brittle forge]

Lack of moderation, so edgier userbase

[hearty flame]

4chan is more like the wild west with little to no moderation vs reddit

[calm bison]

You are far more likely to find some batshit crazy stuff on 4chan

[eternal storm]

Ah I see

[calm bison]

Reddit you have to look for it

[eternal storm]

Not gonna lie I’m gonna go check it out lol

[smoky plank]

4chan is the asshole of the internet

[uncut bay]

whatever you do don't go on /pol/

[eternal storm]

Is pol politics im guessing

[brittle forge]

Reddit is run by downright tyrants and 4chan has basically no one at all. So the problems are opposite

[foggy tundra]

worlds greatest advice

[hearty flame]

The only bad ones are pol and b i think
everything else is relatiely fine

[foggy tundra]

[dapper river]

le epin 4hour channel boogie man!! 😱 guise i went on that scary deep dark nret web site and it gave me scary feefees!!!

[uncut bay]

tbh /b/ isn't terrible all the time, but the rate at which you find fucked up stuff is more common than other boards

[eternal storm]

God I must be old not knowing this shit, I mean I was around when live leaks and stuff was big

[hearty flame]

i mean tahts kinda the point with it being the random board though isnt it

[uncut bay]

4chan is old

[velvet sand]

That's...kinda young : |

[edgy oriole]

allchans are pretty old

[foggy tundra]

4chan is before reddit i think?

[eternal storm]

Im 37, never heard of it lol

[hearty flame]

Im surprised you didnt hear about 4chan after things like we will not be divided or the fappening

[uncut bay]

4chan is 2 years older than reddit yeah

[analog stirrup]

Thank gooey_bonbon for derailing chat KEK

[foggy tundra]

its discord

[eternal storm]

Ok I’ll report back with findings off i go

[foggy tundra]

[brittle forge]

No it’s “politically incorrect” it’s basically filled with [National Socialist German Workers Party]s. Actual ones, too not media slander ones

[foggy tundra]

oh god

[hearty flame]

godspeed mag

[foggy tundra]

dont mag

DONT DO IT

[edgy oriole]

RIP mag

[foggy tundra]

[hearty flame]

This is like that dont look billy meme
mother whats thatpoints at 4chan
dont look billy
its too late mother

[dapper river]

ZOMG GUISE HE IS GO TO 4 CHANNEL SO BRAVE ITS SCARY WEBSITE!!!!

[velvet sand]

42M get?

[eternal storm]

Wow

[hearty flame]

that was fast

[eternal storm]

That’s quite a lot of in depth racism there

[hearty flame]

ah went to pol i see

[eternal storm]

I went to international

Had a quick scroll, lol psychopaths

[edgy oriole]

[dapper river]

Real talk though it's all just layered irony, baitposting, feds, shills, baiters pretending to be shills, and idiots who only see it at face value and think everything ever posted there is truthful.

[brittle forge]

Lemme guess, about India vs Pakistan? Or the Romani

[eternal storm]

And here I was worried about my kids growing up with YouTube and tik tok, meanwhile there’s shit like 4chan lol

[brittle forge]

To be fair you need to be careful about all the social media

Especially kids on Discord

[analog stirrup]

it's been around since 04 and social media is dangerously worse

[solar minnow]

"Our leading change is the removal of the 128 player version of Breakthrough." does this mean they are removing the mode all together?

[frigid cairn]

well some psycho took it seriously over the weekend in buffalo

[solar tinsel]

It's going to 64 player only

[edgy oriole]

There used to be worse shit back then, but theyve slowly been shut down over the years.

[hearty flame]

yup i think its gone just 128p

[smoky plank]

some psychos took Qanon seriously

[eternal storm]

People be crazy.

[brittle forge]

Unless DICE thinks words have different meanings now yes

[solar tinsel]

Although specifically of note, the new 64 Player BT on current gen (PS5/XSX/PC) will have a mix of the 128 + 64p map ***sizes ***for BT, based on what map it is

[velvet sand]

Yes, if you bougt the game for that mode DICE doesn't want you anymore.

[solar minnow]

sad..... I missed that when reading them

[hearty flame]

you can quickly find which boards to abandon and which are fine

[eternal storm]

I’ll just steer clear I think. I work with fucking nutcases for a living don’t need to be reading that shite lol

[brittle forge]

People are making the same arguments about the Reddit subs he frequented, which included Twitch and r/memes ffs. The guy clearly had issues other than browsing certain social media

[dapper river]

you can also easily find which threads are clearly bait and which aren't. Probably easier to just accept everything as truthful though, huh? Nobody would evert tell a lie on the internet, they made that illegal

[dapper river]

he used discord to post his manifesto, I guess you're sus now too, huh?

[frigid cairn]

lol are you serious

[velvet sand]

This conversation is going fun places : |

[hearty flame]

its funny cuz he mentions in his manifesto that he was a commie but then started shifting to the right. he is the horseshoe theory personified lol

[foggy tundra]

thats enougjh

[brittle forge]

Just ban the whole internet by all this logic

[velvet sand]

Can we get back to being mad at DICE for killing a major game mode yet? Or happy that DICE is making some otherwise good changes in the patch?

[foggy tundra]

further discussion is a mute

[eternal storm]

Lol

[foggy tundra]

[frigid cairn]

dice killed 128p bt because the community didn't like 128p

[dapper river]

Let's get back to halo 👊

[edgy oriole]

[frigid cairn]

its not hard to understand

[brittle forge]

Yes let us get back to DICE being stupid

[velvet sand]

Did I miss the poll on that?

[solar tinsel]

I'm honestly happy to see Bolte and MAV get reassigned. The reassignment of the Night Bird was I think, one of the better changes in last patch

[arctic grove]

That game mode sucked ass wdym?

[brittle forge]

Yeah I don’t remember that community feedback session

[solar tinsel]

There were previous surveys sent out on that I think

[brittle forge]

Curious

[velvet sand]

CQ sucks ass, please remove it DICE. I don't enjoy it.

[frigid cairn]

they read feedback online too

[velvet sand]

lol, good joke

[solar tinsel]

DICE obviously has a larger data set than any of us can see individually.

[eternal storm]

I think I was more excited for hazard zone to be a success than conquest. Seems it’s been totally abandoned now. Dice could have made a killing on a AAA arcadey tarkov

[velvet sand]

And aren't doing anything with it. Also, design-by-metrics is some absolute smoothbrained shit.

[frigid cairn]

its actually hilarious to see the subreddit change its mind on 128p the second dice touches it

[edgy oriole]

https://www.playscavengers.com/ here you go. if you wanted HZ here is the game they copied for it.

[brittle forge]

Hazard zone was doomed from the beginning they threw that shit in half-assed

[solar tinsel]

Thats what I hope it would have been closer to. Extract anytime you want, more AI, etc.

[scenic tartan]

Good riddance to 128 breakthrough

[eternal storm]

Is this a decent game?

[brittle forge]

The sub Reddit has always been relatively positive on breakthrough to be honest

[solar tinsel]

Design-by-metrics yes, but feedback-by-metrics, probably better. When people say "why isn't DICE listening to the community?" they need to quantify that feedback in some form.

[velvet sand]

Savengers just got maintence moded so...probably not.

[grave prism]

WTF they removing semi auto for ak. BARE SHITE

[edgy oriole]

Nope *you might like it tho if you like HZ

[hearty flame]

the subreddit is just an angry about dice cutting content

[scenic tartan]

Angel armor removal is a total win as well.as Boris turret nerf

[brittle forge]

What’s the point of angel going to be now

[smoky plank]

the subreddit is just an angry about dice

[velvet sand]

Mobile ammo resupply. 20 bonus armor on revive.

[brittle forge]

Just ammo?

[eternal storm]

The cycle frontier was good

[brittle forge]

I thought they cut the armor?

[velvet sand]

Just like Falck was a mobile med-kit. Their abilities are now closer to parity.

[eternal storm]

Just a meme

[solar tinsel]

Either DICE has to quantify the data with surveys/etc. or they have to choose specific people to listen to (influencers, etc.), unfortunately "Listen to me because my idea is best" doesn't actually work 😆

[velvet sand]

armor from his ability, I think it's still ther efrom his revive

[solar tinsel]

I really wish that would come to console. I played the original on PC a little bit and enjoyed it

For as many people who are complaining about BT128 going away in this server right now, I'd have to assume the data was overwhelmingly in support of favoring BT64

[velvet sand]

I mean, I'd love for them to show some of that data/feedback. Their explanation in the notes are all about "we think" and "we feel" from DICE.

[brittle forge]

“128p is bad and should be removed”
“That’s a nice argument senator why don’t you back it up with a source?”
“My source is that I made it the fuck up!”

[eternal storm]

I can’t see it coming to console anytime soon. But I got a pc 6 months ago to get to play games like this.
Tarkov is just too much effort for me to commit

[hearty flame]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[velvet sand]

Yes, but why? That's the big problem with design-by-metrics. More folks are playing 64...but why? Is it because 128 runs like ass? Is it because they can't find 128 matches? Is it because 128 maps are garbage? Is it because they just like 64p?

[solar tinsel]

I think their update is them sharing that. It wouldn't make sense for EA to disclose responses in full.

[edgy oriole]

cheaters killed it for me. im on a few wipe break rn. prolly wont go back not sure yet.

[eternal storm]

Bf3 has amazing fighting and it didn’t need 128 players. Same for bfV breakthrough which I love

[eternal storm]

I genuinely can’t be bothered to learn the maps lol

[velvet sand]

Not saying "disclose responses in full", but there's literally no explanation about why they removed it beyond "we don't think it fits anymore" which like...I get it DICE, it's your game and all, but y'all sold us on this mode. Fix that shit or give us somethign in return for removing a key selling point.

[uncut bay]

i mean we were outright told that anything over 64p had diminishing returns

[solar tinsel]

Those are probably some reasons yes - but everyone has their own opinion. So even if you disagree with the rationale, if the majority of players are enjoying and preferring it, thats what it likely will be

[uncut bay]

imo 32-64 is about right, varying by game mode ofc

[frigid cairn]

dice wants more players to play and they wouldn't cut a game mode unless they felt that would bring in more players than they lose

[edgy oriole]

its not too bad. whats bad is trying to remember spawns i still never learned that. only the jist of where people should come from.

[eternal storm]

32-32 means more likely to fill with human players

[sleek latch]

hear me out. 48v48

[velvet sand]

Man, at this point just kill 128 players overall. Cap the game at 64 and admit that they were incompetent and their leads were fuckin dumb as fuck and they can't hack it with matches that size.

[solar tinsel]

*"In this update, we’re making multiple updates to the All-Out Warfare rotations. Our leading change is the removal of the 128 player version of Breakthrough. When reviewing the available experiences in All-Out Warfare, we felt that the 128 player modes are better suited for Conquest where gameplay spaces are larger, and where you have a more natural fit for sandbox gameplay.

In Breakthrough’s 128 player mode, we feel that the value and impact of an individual player, and squad is reduced due to the increased intensity and chaos of the combat.

When reviewing Breakthrough, we noted that the 64 player version represented a more tactical experience. Reducing our player count here helps to remove some of the chaos from the experience, and in combination with the reductions that we have made to the number of available combat vehicles, it means players are better able to hold frontlines more effectively. Players will also find more space to work together and fulfill their individual roles

As a result, squads in Breakthrough 64 have a better opportunity to work together, to flank the enemy, place a spawn beacon, use their plus menu to attach suppressors, then clear, and hold a point - one squad helping turn the tide as an example. We believe that the move to 64 players will bring back the pacing that helps celebrate these moments of teamwork and PTFOing, and will be keeping a close eye on how our changes help to improve the experience ahead of the start of Season 1."*

[frigid cairn]

128p conquest is always full so they don't touch that

[velvet sand]

Welcome to the other side of the coin.

[edgy oriole]

50+v50+ or bust

[arctic grove]

I like the way HLL has it. 50v50. This should be the standard.

[solar tinsel]

I'd have to imagine that rationale is supported by some degree of metrics in favor of BT64 and thus why the change is being made

[velvet sand]

I've read their explanation, hence why I cited them using lots of "we think" and "we feel" and nothing about "We've received lots of feedback.." Additionally, again, design-by-metrics is absolutely smoothbrained shit.

[eternal storm]

My issue with the game is that having a live map showing your location and extracts wouldn’t cheapen the experience. Struggling to know where/how to escape is annoying. Hunt and the cycle did navigation better IMO but obv they’re more casual

[uncut bay]

hll is also a completely different game that's hardly comparable to battlefield

[frigid cairn]

dice says "we feel" to substitute in for all the metrics and feedback they get since the community gets super butthurt if they're blamed for anything

[hearty flame]

I mean it could also be that dice has no idea what they are doing. this is the same dice that decided that what V needed was a competitive 5v5 in the middle of a content drought

[arctic grove]

I agree but i was talking in player count only.

[arctic grove]

DICE FEELS LMAO

[solar minnow]

metrics will kill this game..

[sleek latch]

so.

64v64 bad
32v32 good but people want more players
32÷2=16
32+16=48
then 48v48 good.

[frigid cairn]

i

[velvet sand]

I mean...it's pretty clear that they don't know what the fuck they're doing and are still struggling for a coherent vision of the future for this game. Just like they lacked a coherent vision for this game during development.

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/freak-out-gif-18501704

[frigid cairn]

i have no idea how people think 96p is that different from 128p

[arctic grove]

Good conspiracy theory. It might actually work.

[solar tinsel]

I'd have to assume that they wouldn't have bothered pursuing this change unless there was meaningful feedback or data to bother with it. They did surveys and I know I've seen plenty of posts saying people prefer BT64 to BT128. I don't have that data though.

You're right, DICE could be just pulling it out of their ass, but at the end of the day this is the decision they made. I dont know what to tell you.

[hearty flame]

Give us 128v128 you cowards!

[sleek latch]

shush. No more players for you

[edgy oriole]

[velvet sand]

That's a bold assumption given DICE regularly doing dumb shit. Why are you giving them the expectation of baseline competence when they've shown nothing of the sort?

[dim mural]

I guess my issue is the update does not make me want to play.

[eternal storm]

I honestly think it’s to have servers appear full with 32-32

[solar tinsel]

Im sure that's a factor

[white geyser]

Don’t use metric system in this game, to have more players by calculating it, it will hurt this game

[arctic grove]

Seems something like DICE would do to look good.

[eternal storm]

I mean id stop playing a game that was full of AI

[solar tinsel]

Because I don't necessarily assume everyone is a moron even if BF2042 did not launch as a good game. If anything I think studios are prone to making corrections and improvements over time rather than making things worse. The same could be said about BF3, BF4, BFV, which all seemed to improve over time

[frigid cairn]

128 conquest gets filled easily while bt struggles and that's a good gameplay reason to make the change

[arctic grove]

Which is why they only have 3 game modes rotations.

[solar tinsel]

Let me toss this back to you @velvet sand - do you think it would be better for DICE just to leave it the way it is and not bother? Would that be a better solution? Or would people complain that "DICE isn't listening and bothering to make changes to their shit game"?

[frigid cairn]

i don't think assuming dice will simply make the worse decision is a productive mindset lol

[eternal storm]

Which is so shit.‘I was excited for bf gunplay and never touch another cod for yearsssss, but here we are

[cedar turtle]

I rolled the dice when I bought this game

[arctic grove]

Imagine is DICE decided to make the player count smaller in Pearl Market because the map is too small for 64 players.

[eternal storm]

Bf2042 pearl market would be awesome

[frigid cairn]

dice's original sin was allowing 64 players on metro

[velvet sand]

The solution is to spend more time tweaking maps, capture points, and working on specialist/vehicle balance to make 128 players actually fun to play. But that requires time and effort and DICE is in short supply of both, apparently.

[foggy tundra]

guys what if they made bt count smaller to keep mapsize but increase the enviromental assets?

[hearty flame]

Well looks like mw2 is getting its reveal on june 8th, a week before season 1 so both trailers are gonna release around the same time. cant wait to see which gets more hype

[velvet sand]

Productive? Probably not. Realistic based on history? Absolutely.

[arctic grove]

Make better map designs to fit 128 player BT than to lower the player count.

[cedar turtle]

I guess you can say we really ROLLED THE DICE when. Come on people, are any of you paying attention to these amazing jokes?

Is anyone writing this stuff down!?

[eternal storm]

You make me go inverted

[arctic grove]

[brittle forge]

Unless the direction is a drastic departure from MW19, MWII is gonna kill that easily

[hearty flame]

its not like their current performance is devEAting from the norm

[uncut bay]

2042 is gonna be driven into the ground again, can't wait

[cedar turtle]

Thank you !

[solar tinsel]

I don't disagree, but I don't know what DICE's envrionment is like. For all we know they are planning how to exit 2042 as quickly as possible

[eternal storm]

Yup just like bfV

[arctic grove]

DICE gonna blame MW2 for the bad s1 launch

[brittle forge]

I mean if that’s true than the franchise is fucked. they can’t just put this game under the rug make a new one and hope for the best

[hearty flame]

at least this time the blame will be more relevant lol

[brittle forge]

We literally just got through with that and we got the 2nd worst launch in BF history

[velvet sand]

Which, if true, shoudl result in their subsequent games selling like shit and the studio closing. Which I very much do not want to see.

[dim mural]

I wish they had maybe tried here. Instead of just dropping 4.1 they could have done like a Road to Season 1 announcement with some fanfare. Even if Season 1 is amazing they are not acting like it will be.

[eternal storm]

Star wars battlefront was able to recover cos it had sheer volume of content to tweak, 2042 doesn’t

[solar tinsel]

Sure they can, ha. I think the franchise has more staying power than we think. It truly comes down to game quality. If the new leadership released an amazing BF game next, the franchise would be fine

[arctic grove]

A fair sacrifice

[dim mural]

here's a patch...guess maybe you'll see a season in June

[velvet sand]

communication? GEt outta here with that, that's a brutal expectation from DICE.

[solar tinsel]

I think it comes down to if they make a good game or not. It always comes down to that

[dim mural]

BattleFront did a very detailed get better plan that really helped them get back

[brittle forge]

Expecting dice to communicate effectively is like expecting the second coming of Christ at this point. And this isn’t a 2042 problem this was a problem They’ve had forever

[solar tinsel]

I get the sense S1 is going to be pretty lackluster compared to how much time has passed, so I imagine they aren't going to be putting too much highlight on it. Yes, it's definitely an indicator of concern for S1

[arctic grove]

Agreed

[velvet sand]

THE WHOLE STUDIO IS WORKING ON THE GAME, HAVE FAITH, FAM!

[solar tinsel]

If you had all of this fun new content coming to S1, you'd start teasing it. I don't think S1 is going to have more than 1 map and like 3 new weapons, plus a bunch of cosmetics of course.

[dim mural]

You look at how Bungie hypes up new content and then compare it to this...it's just depressing

[solar tinsel]

It's going to be underwhelming, so start bracing yourself for that

[white geyser]

I wish 2042 can be recover just like battlefront 2 did, season 1 update better give us something good and if the devs wants to make a comeback for 2042, then do the same thing like battlefront 2 except without the loot box situation.

[velvet sand]

They could very well have a massive amount of awesome shit for S1. But DICE sucks at communication and always has. You're probably right in that they don't, but their silence isn't honestly an indicator either way.

[brittle forge]

To be fair bungies marketing department has been able to dress up some pretty bad content as looking pretty decent. Obviously it’s not always bad but even the garbage seasons had good trailers

[hearty flame]

I dont think so seeing as its gonna take until season 2 to modify a few launch maps. if it takes that long to modify imagine how long it takes them to make a fresh new map

[solar tinsel]

DICE has always been playing catchup with 2042 considering the pre-production shift. Even BF4 had DLC1 pretty much done before launch, hence why it was able to come so soon.

I mean, remember when weekly missions stopped for 1 week (not including the RU chopper skin) and didn't return until the next patch? I literally think that's because they ran out of cosmetics bundled in the patch

[velvet sand]

they did

[solar tinsel]

They literally needed the new patch to add another set of 12 weekly missions or something. Remember, seasons were supposed to be 3 month cycles (12 weeks) and the original PreSeason content got delayed a week after Wk12

we're about to hit Week 24 of PS, I wouldnt be surprised if 4.1 includes more cosmetics

[brittle forge]

By the way they’re still keeping the 128 player sizes of the maps for Breakthrough on Discarded, Manifest, Orbital, and kaleidoscope

[solar tinsel]

yup

[brittle forge]

Fucking why those are gonna be the most empty things now

[dim mural]

I was pretty hyped up even when it was a turd

[solar tinsel]

Yeah I have no clue how that will play. Makes you wonder why they'd ditch the 64p versions, are they THAT bad? If so, why the heck do the last gen consoles even have them ha

Again, that goes back to poor map design and pre-production

[brittle forge]

Oh they removed AK-24’s semi auto? Fucking WHY

[velvet sand]

"Way ahead of schedule." "Have faith, fam."

[solar tinsel]

haha yeah nobody should ever believe anything is ever ahead of schedule for any game dev

again though: wasn't that leadership? Whats his name...

[topaz field]

I just thought of something now that angel has less armor at his disposal, we will see more irish on the map lol. This is why im not a big fan of teh armor Irish armor will stack up. I wish they just made the armor health stay at +5 instead of +20 too much!!

[solar tinsel]

It's just bad leadership through and through and it sucks because I bet there are talented line-level devs at DICE who just got absolutely fucked by all of this

[brittle forge]

The leadership wouldn’t of said it if dice didn’t tell them that

[rotund grail]

Agreed. No public data = BS reasons to make changes. This sucks because 90% of the time I played BT128. Moving forward I'll give BT64 an honest try, but I may just switch to CQ128 or quit.

[lofty nymph]

have faith that MW2 will bring us a game that is worth to play

[random willow]

maybe their DMZ mode, but that's it

[brittle forge]

Sure Andrew Wilson could lie about it but he’s more likely to just say the game with is progressing on schedule rather than boldly claiming it’s ahead without dice saying so

[velvet sand]

No expectations, but at this point I'm open to going back to CoD if the new one is good. At least play something competently designed and with actual AAA production values.

[eternal storm]

That’s what I want to succeed

[brittle forge]

The last Modern Warfare was pretty good so I hope they can keep it up

[solar tinsel]

Its a bummer that 2042 was so bad, I've always preferred BF to CoD ever since after the ORIGINAL MW2 (last one I got was MW3 and despised it), but it makes me wonder if at some point I should try CoD again. I hear it has its share of problems too though

[brittle forge]

If they can make ground war better that would be a massive W

I liked it in modern warfare 2019 but the maps were pretty bad aside from like two

[solar tinsel]

I've always preferred the way BF feels to play, even with 2042 - it's just such a bummer all of the supporting elements (maps, lack of content, etc.) just make it a less enjoyable BF than past

even the vehicle balance and gameplay seemed off from previous BF games

[odd imp]

I hope they add live counter for weekly task ect.. like in bf5

Like 1 /50 kills done ect

[velvet sand]

That's another 6 months of development you've just added onto the game, thanks.

[solar tinsel]

This assumes there even will be more weekly tasks than 1

Ideally, yes a season pass has multiple ways to earn progression. Season challenges, tasks, assignments (remember those). We have no reason to assume S1 will have any of that

Hell I'm inclined to be skeptical if DICE will even get the "Free and Premium battle passes" correct

[arctic grove]

Wow, okay

128 breakthrough is going extinct

[uncut bay]

they better after all this time. A lot of people have put money on that promise

if they go back on it can't imagine what the backlash will be like

[wide shore]

Not happy with 128 BT going bye bye. It was the only BT experience I liked.

[velvet sand]

And we get nothing for them killing off a mode that is why many of us actually bought the game.

[brittle forge]

Same. Only thing I played whenever I revisited the game

[velvet sand]

If they at least couched the removal with, "This will allow us to add a bunch of new content and do more to make up for the content we just removed." that'd be alright, but instead it's just, "We can't hack it so we're removing a key selling point we thought was good but realized we don't have the talent or competence to make fun."

[brittle forge]

So I’m actually pretty mad atm. I’ve complained and criticized but I really haven’t been genuinely angry at 2042 since launch

[arctic grove]

Technically they key selling point is there so i cant really be mad at it, but damn

[wide shore]

I mean, I play conquest as a main mode. But BT 128 was fun occasionally. A great mode for grinding kills/specialist stuff

[dim mural]

They really can't win

[arctic grove]

I guess when you think about it though it was inevitable

[wide shore]

I do feel like, the removal of 128 BT was just them giving up on making the mode fun.

They literally just conceded

[solar tinsel]

I worded that poorly. I think we'll GET it, I mean though that it likely will be lackluster compared to competition

[arctic grove]

I mean 128 conquest is okay but personally Ive never really been a fan of conquest in general. It can get really dragged out

[brittle forge]

I mean the same logic they’re using to justify the removal is equally applicable to conquest 128, with addition of being boring and spaced out unless you actively spawn on only certain objectives

So I have to wonder how long it is until that’s on the chopping block

[solar tinsel]

Like: 50 tiers (instead of a 100) and, with 25 of them being less meaningful (like virtual currency)

[solar minnow]

they really did

[wide shore]

I think 128 CQ is great. And can only get better. If that gets removed I’m actually gonna be pissed.

[arctic grove]

Nah, they cant do that otherwise we’re all getting our 60+ back

[solar tinsel]

I think it's here to stay. I actually preferred BT128 actually, it was insane, but it was a nice contrast to CQ I felt

[wide shore]

The 64 versions of the base maps suck ass.

[restive saddle]

'Chaos' is fun anyway, if what someone quoted earlier was official. Definitely not one of the reasons people play BF.

[velvet sand]

They really can. Make a good game. Or give a bad game good support. Communicate with the community. It's not hard, but apparently seems impossible for DICE.,

[arctic grove]

Yeah 64 doesn’t really work on em

When they added the 64 player versions I only played them if I was really bored lol

[wide shore]

I played each of them once when 64 was added. They’re awful

[solar minnow]

Breakthrough is really going to be boring once they make 64 only.

[wide shore]

They’re not made with 64 players in mind. It is just tacked on

[dim mural]

Digging into that, though, they did not make a good game. They then took months to bring back table stakes things like VOIP and scoreboards. Communication can be great but they just are not moving at any appreciable speed.

[arctic grove]

From 128 BT to 64 is gonna be quite a transition

[velvet sand]

Exactly. DICE is failing across the board when they have every resource to succeed as a AAA studio with hundreds of staff and multiple support studios.

[wide shore]

Monthly updates worked 9 years ago. They don’t work anymore

[solar minnow]

it really is and defeats the meaning of All out warfare.

[velvet sand]

This game ain't gettin No Mans Sky'd or Cyperpunked, it's getting slowly killed off one mode at a time.

[shell ermine]

They still don't have a server browser

[arctic grove]

Im still suprised they even pulled the card

[restive saddle]

Part of the issue is that they tried something new and didn't even make it work.

[solar minnow]

they are going to drive this game into the ground with these changes.

[solar minnow]

I'm not really. it's typical DICE move

[velvet sand]

They didn't even listen to the old DICE that said trying to make 128 players fun was super hard and they chose not to. They felt more confident than old DICE, who were objectively filled with better quality developers and especially leads in the studio.

[wide shore]

At least they had the sense to keep 128cq for now. But now I’m worried that it can be on the chopping block any day now.

[dim mural]

None of that matters if what you design is a turd. It's really unfortunate. I think people still want an updated modern BF.

[solar minnow]

why fix the issue and make a fun gamemode when we can just remove half the lobby and leave you with some plain maps

[solar tinsel]

I always like to point out that BF2 (2005) had a more aggressive content release cadence than 2042

[arctic grove]

Im just disappointed... But the only good thing that came out of this was the Angel memes

[solar tinsel]

at this point we already had BF2:SF which had what, 9 new maps? tons of new weapons, gadgets

[solar minnow]

pretty much

[arctic grove]

bf4 and bf1 had alot of good content too.

[velvet sand]

Like, can DICE just can 2042 and commit to remaking BF4 and just give that to all 2042 owners for free? That way we can at least play a competently designed BF game made by a team that initially knew what the hell they were doing? (yes, it was unplayably buggy at launch but the core is very solid and it turned out fantastically)

[shell ermine]

Its mostly their map design sucks ass

[solar minnow]

man they weren't kidding when they said this franchise is dead..

[brittle forge]

The only good reason to remove 128 players in my mind after you’ve already built the whole fucking game about it is to try and improve the performance but that’s not a reason they mentioned and that logic also means Conquest is on the chopping block too

[solar tinsel]

Absolutely! It's funny that a 2005 game though, prior to most "live services" at least for FPS games, provided more content at a faster pace

[arctic grove]

My favorite thing about 1 was the class looks

And how many factions were in game, as well

[brittle forge]

That and all the factions

[shell ermine]

128p Conquest was fun in Portal on Caspain Border, Valparaiso, and Bulge

[solar minnow]

it's cause those maps were good

[wide shore]

Games are too short though

[solar tinsel]

yup

[arctic grove]

I doub dice is stupid enough to do that to conquest. A mode that people actually play.

[velvet sand]

I'd honestly be pretty freakin embarrassed to be working on 2042 right now, lol.

[wide shore]

I’ll pass. BF4 maps are doodoo

[fiery shoal]

i usually prioritize gameplay in a game..

[arctic grove]

That’s cool

[hot bronze]

The biggest issue with this game is how bad the new maps are.

[fiery shoal]

factions are essentially skins

[arctic grove]

I also liked the gameplay of 1 if we talk about that lol

[shell ermine]

Not a single 2042 map is even close to being good

[river trench]

So the update after the 4.1 is season 1

[wide shore]

Manifest is good.

[arctic grove]

I honestly believe this. I dont think the problem lies on 128 players. Its just bad map design.

[solar minnow]

yeah but this patch i'm not sure if it will be good...

[fiery shoal]

manifest, discarded and orbital are pretty damn solid

[runic prism]

FINALLY BORIS IS NERFED . ALL THE NOOBS THAT WERE CAMPING WITH THE BORIS TURRETS

[arctic grove]

Oh and specialists are bad too.

[restive saddle]

aside from returning maps because they forgot why those were good in the first place

[arctic grove]

Whenever 4s maps get mentioned, I can only think of Golmud and locker, the only two maps i really enjoyed anyways

[dim mural]

Not the worst idea. I think most people are just sick of the DICE game lifecycle. Especially when the wheels are completely off the cart before it even launches.

[hot bronze]

that fact that 128 can be fun on the older maps and not the new ones proves that its map design that is the issue

[wide shore]

Good thing I T1’d him already

[shell ermine]

Solid by 2042 standards is still traah

[arctic grove]

128 on El Alamien and Bulge was enjoyable

[fiery shoal]

ill never understand this "2042 is bad so EVERYTHING about it is bad" perspective...

[solar minnow]

I hope the community manager understand how bad of idea it is to remove 128 BT

[shell ermine]

Its true though

[wide shore]

I don’t even think Manifest is just “good by 2042 standards”. It’s just a good map

[arctic grove]

Not everything. Portal is the only good thing.

[fiery shoal]

its not though...

[shell ermine]

Nothing about 2042 is better than even BFV

[velvet sand]

lol, expecting the CM's to do anything beyond collect paychecks and post patch notes/bi-monthly blog posts,.

[river trench]

The season1 is gonna be "early june" i hope its the first days of the month not like 19 or 20

[arctic grove]

Manifest is a decent mix of everything you can do in battlefield. Probably my favorite map

[shell ermine]

2042 does nothing better than any previous BF game

[solar minnow]

For real but they wont have jobs after they burn the franchise to a crisp..

[arctic grove]

I expect mid june

[shell ermine]

And it does pretty much everything worse

[fiery shoal]

what logic is that? to make this simple, if everything in bfv is 7/10 and everything in 2042 is 6/10, that doesnt default to BAD which is less than 4/10

[restive saddle]

Because you don't see the issue

[velvet sand]

Manifest is the best of the 2042 maps, especially it being during teh evening to highlight explosions and tracer rounds.

[river trench]

Same

[random willow]

I'm sure Tom Henderson knows

[arctic grove]

Reason I say decent mix is because im considering how a lot of maps tend to appeal over to the vehicles

[fiery shoal]

this makes absolutely no sense...

[arctic grove]

Imagine having 2042 on your resume

[solar tinsel]

I think the franchise still has a shot, if new leadership can make a truly good BF game, the one everyone wanted

[velvet sand]

You can get a job as a UX designer at Ubi with that kind of experience : 3

[solar minnow]

LMAO

[solar tinsel]

If not, and it fails 2 leadership teams back to back, especially with Zampella who is well-credited, then that is definitely a sign of concern and EA may drop the franchise

[shell ermine]

To simplify it, 2042 failed at the basic premise of a Battlefield game

[arctic grove]

Every time I hear maybe the next game will be good I just remember this has been said over and over across the releases for years

[arctic grove]

Its easy bro. Remake b3/4 maps up to date with current gen graphics

[fiery shoal]

100%, doesnt mean everything about the game is bad...

[restive saddle]

It makes a lot of sense, if you can't see the issues then nothing is wrong, even if it's terrible.

[solar tinsel]

Ha they should just do that with 2042 while they make a truly new BF game that represents that

[river trench]

Add bf4 to portal , bam game good

[solar minnow]

it will be held back by this games reputation so I'm sure about that.

[arctic grove]

Took out most of the legacy features

[brittle forge]

I’m sorry but this sentence doesn’t make sense

[solar tinsel]

For sure, but reputations change easily. If the next BF game is genuinely good, word will spread

What holds the next BF back is potentially EA not willing to put faith in their creatives

[arctic grove]

Depends on what genuinely good even means since nobody can agree on the ideal game

[fiery shoal]

never said nothing is wrong... found another person that thinks if youre not absolutely shitting on 2042 they think your think its perfect...

[velvet sand]

Not really. Fallout 76 is actually a fantastic little game now (still flawed) and has some good updates coming up but it still carries the absolute dogshit reputation it earned from it's hilariously horrible launhc.

[solar tinsel]

I'm sure EA's influence caused a lot of the muck of 2042's pre-production

[solar minnow]

This is their second time doing a rug pull. I'm not sure if people will forgive them. even if the game is good

[solar tinsel]

true but that is also the same game, there's something about a total rebrand or a new game that is enough to convince people

[velvet sand]

Unlikely, all reporting on the current way EA handles things is that they're fairly hands-off and let studios do their thing. BW's problems with ME:A/Anthem were purely on BW leadership, EA wasn't the source of any of those problems.

[shell ermine]

With the Respawn guy in charge of Battlefield now things could even get worse if Apex/COD/TF design philosophies are allowed to directly inform development

[brittle forge]

They better make sure the next game is fucking fantastic if they do that because oh my God

[solar tinsel]

Maybe, time will tell. We'd need a good game for that to happen first 😆

[fiery shoal]

me "2042 is 6/10 at best"
randoms "you really think the game doesnt have flaws?"
lulwut

[shell ermine]

2042 is a 1/10

[brittle forge]

Eh, it’s very mid

[velvet sand]

He's not in charge of design and sitting in design meetings, he's in charge of the frranchise chich means overseeing its direction and putting good leads in place. It's managerial, not development/creative.

[fiery shoal]

you dont even know what a 1/10 game is

[arctic grove]

2/10 because portal good and has potental.

[solar tinsel]

I'm willing to give Zampella more credit than that, and assume he'd just "turn BF into Apex". If that was his plan, I don't think it'd work

If I'm not mistaken, Zampella was involved on some of the original BF titles right?

[solar minnow]

First BFV. now BF2042. This is like Halo transition to 343 from Bungie...

[edgy oriole]

highest id go for 2042 maybe 7-7.5/10

[brittle forge]

Nope

[shell ermine]

No classes = automatically loses 4 points.

[dim mural]

So how does pretending it's not that bad help? It seems to be just as useless as the everything is bad stance.

[restive saddle]

💀 I'm literally saying it's easy for some people to pretend it's actually decent despite all it's problems

[solar tinsel]

who am I thinking of then haha

[arctic grove]

This is exactly what i think

[random willow]

2042 isn't a 1/10 game i'd give it a 6/10

[brittle forge]

He was involved in Medal of Honor and Call of Duty since the beginning but not BF

[shell ermine]

Otherwise 2042 might be a 5/10, but no class system makes it not a Battlefield game

[brittle forge]

Medal of honor allied assault was his big break

[solar tinsel]

@brittle forge there was someone who was a CoD-person who had a history with BF

now I can't remember oh well

[arctic grove]

6/10 for a beta sure. I can agree.

[solar minnow]

that game was hands down amazing. I wish they do a remaster.

[arctic grove]

lets at least agree the game isnt finished yet.

[solar tinsel]

either way, he has the chops to understand what a game like CoD and BF were successful AT

[brittle forge]

i honestly don’t know who you are talking about unfortunately

[fiery shoal]

its ironic you say that because youre seemingly supporting people pretending things are worse than they actually are.. the original topic is the guy saying all 2042 maps are terrible, a few maps are actually pretty good, most are bad, thats closer to the truth than "they all suck"

[restive saddle]

It has a class system... If you use portal and make only non 2042.

[solar tinsel]

I'll have to look it up

[random willow]

6/10 as of now but at launch i'd say 1/10 for sure

[brittle forge]

Yeah the launch was pretty bad

[velvet sand]

It's weird, because the game has definitely improved leaps and bounds from launch...but especially with things like the removal of 128p breakthrough I almost feel like it's worse than it was at launch given that it's been 8 months and we're still slowly crawling out of a beta state.

[arctic grove]

Oribital is what a 2042 map should be for 128 players. Not too big. Has tornado. Has a levelution. Has enough capture points.

[shell ermine]

Don't use Portal to defend 2042. They are for all intents and purposes separate games made by separate studios

[dim mural]

I think the issue is most people don't care about the maps because the whole package is frustrating. At some point you give up worrying about the good spots. If we were getting regular feedback loops we could actually talk about the tug of war of good and bad design choices.

[brittle forge]

Only BF4’s launch was worse and better than BF4 is an abysmal bar

[edgy oriole]

launch = 4/10
1/10 when i couldnt get into game because of the couldnt connect to ea problem

[velvet sand]

And that was more technical in nature, not "we literally fucked up the core of the game."

[fiery shoal]

i dont get the point of this comment.. the topic was maps, we were talking about maps. maps arent suddenly bad because the rest of the game is bad.. that just doesnt make sense and thats been my whole point from the beginning...

[brittle forge]

I mean technically 2042 is still the second worst simply because you couldn’t play the game for like two days due to all the persistence errors

[arctic grove]

BF4 launch was just as bad as 2042 launch but at least bf4 had lots of content to start with.

[velvet sand]

Also, at least BF4 had more content at launch and more immediately following. BF2042 has...minimal content at launch and nothing new 8 months out.

[shell ermine]

I couldn't join a large Conquest game of BF4 for like 5 months after launch without it crashing and it was a better experience than 2042

[dim mural]

Well then I guess we'll agree to disagree. All good, right?

[fiery shoal]

thats not what you said though, and youre suggesting this to me when i openly acknowledge the flaws of the game, i just dont apply a general blanket of "bad" to the game..

[solar tinsel]

@brittle forge I figured it out, it was David Vonderhaar (https://twitter.com/davidvonderhaar/status/1402842092326375424?lang=en)

[fiery shoal]

if thats what you want to call it sure, i dont think youre following the original conversation and what im saying at all though..

[brittle forge]

Oh he was with BF? Oh shit I actually didn’t know that

[solar tinsel]

I knew there was some prominent CoD-figure who had a BF background, just wasn't Zampella!

[dim mural]

BF4 was weird in that it was broken but what did work was really compelling.

[fiery shoal]

could you imagine having your game broken for 6 months and releasing dlc for it in todays gaming culture...

[brittle forge]

I followed dave Vonderhaar for a while to

[solar tinsel]

Yup! BF2 was a good time. Back when maps COULD be empty because weapons couldn't hit damn sit haha. Even that had Karkand, Sharqi though, etc.

[bleak nebula]

bf4 launch issues were more related to bugs and instability tbh, 2042 is much better in that regards, but the design choices made in 2042 the other hand..

[velvet sand]

Sure. But I'd also hope that DICE have improved over the past decade in terms of actually finishing games by the time they launch them. But apparently that hasn't happened still, so here we are.

[solar tinsel]

2042's maps (64p size) would have made great BF2 maps, they just don't work in a modern shooter

[brittle forge]

I agree but to be fair BF4’s better mechanics don’t really mean anything if you can’t play the game. I literally couldn’t play it for six months. As bad as it is 2042 was more or less playable after two weeks

[fiery shoal]

id still rather take something functional though. make this comparison to a car and anyone would take the working car that has dumb choices in it vs the car that doesnt work but has potential...

[arctic grove]

Or you know... listening to the community that wants to improve the game free of charge.

[restive saddle]

And we mean that generally they didn't go through well with a lot of things. Everyone was hyped on the weather system and hoped that major destruction and such would also come back. Instead we get... "haha spinny wind" for two seconds and near zero destruction, not even craters. Vehicle gameplay is meh, but there's definitely a balance issue with guns which would be fine if every gun was good in their own ways, but instead you get some that are pretty... Mid, and then there's things like the AC-42.

[bleak nebula]

yup, bf4 issue was that people couldn't play, bf2042 issue is that people can play it but don't like it most of the time

[velvet sand]

I'd rather just have a working car that I paid for, but I guess that's still unreasonable 😐

[fiery shoal]

.. thats literally 2042 though...

do you not understand the comparison made there?

[velvet sand]

No, and they're removing one of the wheels for this car in the patch so I'll ahve a 3 wheeled car.

[fiery shoal]

youre the only person that doesnt get it..

[arctic grove]

2042 is playable but it still has some crashing issues here and there.

[restive saddle]

The only issue I had with launch 4 was that Dawnbreaker always crashed

[brittle forge]

They removed the single fire from the AK why the fuck did they do that honestly

[velvet sand]

I get it. I don't want either the car with bad decisions or the totally unifinished car. I want the finished car that was marketed to me.

[arctic grove]

OCD?

[dim mural]

Having to replay single player to get the unlocks over and over sucked bad.

[fiery shoal]

technically 2042 wasnt marketed any different than what you got.. if anything it was accurate since the maps were full of bots xD

[brittle forge]

I was honestly my favorite way to use the AK 24 since it’s recoil was actually controllable at distance

[arctic grove]

Alot of these minor patches dont make sense.

[restive saddle]

If you mean the guns, all you had to do was the final mission

[velvet sand]

I mean...128p breakthrough getting removed. Lied about the open beta being "months old" when there were minimal changes between then an launch (and the game was arguably worse at launch). Delayed live-service to fix their busted ass game that's still nowhere near fixed since they haven't even begun the design work on maps or specialists or anything else. Naw, not really.

[dapper berry]

yeah almost everything that was in the trailer is ingame

[dim mural]

Earlier on you lost progress IIRC. I remember having to play it 3-4 times before I actually never needed to go back there.

[random willow]

someone, somewhere that probably doesn't even play the game wanted this change.

[fiery shoal]

those are pretty shitty points...

[restive saddle]

Huh. I don't remember that being a thing, could be a version difference since I originally had it on 360.

[brittle forge]

I mean the open beta was months old, that wasn’t a lie, technically. it was just a really limp dick excuse because every beta is an old build and nobody should have bought into that shit

[velvet sand]

How so? Was it that DICE is removing content they marketed the game on that's shitty? Was it that DICE released a game so bad that the 3 months of time they built in (smartly) to address issues wasn't enough and they've had to delay the start of live-service for 3 months?

[radiant prism]

Hold on, since when did so many people actually use single fire on the AK?? I just tap fired from full auto lmao

[dim mural]

PS4 version so maybe it was "next-gen" lol

[brittle forge]

I have legitimately used single fire or burst in the AK the majority of time outside of CQC. Not kidding or exaggerating

[dapper berry]

would you be mad if dice removed specialists, which they also marketed heavily ?

[solid imp]

I tap fire single on AK all the time, I wish they had removed burst instead since it's just annoying to toggle through it

[velvet sand]

If it was in response to direct feedback? No. But where's the direct feedback that nobody wants 128p breakthrough?

[fiery shoal]

removing content is really your only viable complaint, delta addressed the open beta part, and content being delayed from expectations isnt them lying about marketing.. even if your 3 points were 100% valid, thats literally like 1% of the entire package, so youre really gonna try to say they lied about marketing when 99% of the rest of the game came as they marketed?

[dapper berry]

all the people complaining about bad performance, chaotic battles, and lack of player agency in a match

128p BT is an easy culprit

[velvet sand]

Then why does 128p CQ exist?

[dapper berry]

it plays better

[restive saddle]

Not me, but that's because I prefer customization over being forced to look like a fat old man who probably shouldn't be in war

[velvet sand]

If it's down to the size of the match, then surely they'd have to remove CQ since it similarly has performance issues and can be extremely chaotic.

[fiery shoal]

because BT and CQ play different.. this isnt hard to understand

[brittle forge]

The problem I have with the reasoning you just laid out there is because dice didn’t mention any of that when they talked about removing 128 player breakthrough

[edgy oriole]

I just want frontline to come back

[velvet sand]

Yes, and a lot of us like the chaos of breakthrough 128p and it was a ton of fun. Connecting the dots between vague, general feedback and a specific mode is quite a leap.

[dapper berry]

they didn't because their communication skills clearly suck, but i'm pretty sure that's why

[brittle forge]

Well, the bad performance anyway. The chaos they did talk about

[fiery shoal]

when edge doesnt understand that BT puts all 128 people into 1-2 objectives and CQ spreads them out amongst 10...

[velvet sand]

3 CM's and multiple global comms folks and DICE still can't communicate effectively in the rare instances that they come down from their ivory tower to give us a message lol.

[random willow]

some dumb ass streamer probably complained about the single fire AK so dice just removed it. this is a common thing in online games

[dapper berry]

that's another issue entirely on which we agree, but the playlist change was needed IMO

[brittle forge]

Frontlines was pretty great. I unironically the BF1 frontlines matches that were bugged to have no time limit

[restive saddle]

Chaos being a thing people enjoy about BF

[dapper berry]

we asked for 64p CQ/BT and we got it, it was supposed to be limited and they extended it indefinitely

[brittle forge]

Obviously it couldn’t have stayed without a time limit forever but I had a lot of fun

[solar minnow]

So does this mean that new gamemodes will be 64 players instead of 128?

[random willow]

yeah, probably

[solar tinsel]

I wouldn't expect any new gamemodes haha

[brittle forge]

Yeah I don’t think it’s a valid excuse to get rid of a mode but people were talking about all the vehicle spam and stuff so they technically did have that in mind

[solar tinsel]

Other than Portal, of course

[dapper berry]

no official info, but most likely yes

[arctic grove]

I honestly want my Santa Boris skin. Just give me my skin and let me enjoy 2042

[dapper berry]

ew

[edgy oriole]

i want santa boris and christmas tank

[fiery shoal]

santa borris was bad ass

[solar minnow]

what a clown show

[brittle forge]

The thing that annoys me the most is that previous dice games have had game modes that died after like two weeks and they were never ever removed but now we got to remove stuff now

[dapper berry]

i want altyn boris

[restive saddle]

Santa Boris begin

[arctic grove]

Dont 4get christmas tree Casper

[brittle forge]

Like obliteration from BF4 I never saw a Server after the launch for

[edgy oriole]

you know what wwe got instead of a christmas tank?
a fucking black bolte. on christmas week.

[solar minnow]

give me Christmas tree Casper

[dapper berry]

well there was a huge community backlash too

[shell ermine]

Conquest is the only mode that is really needed in Battlefield

[restive saddle]

I saw it get played a bit, did your filters exempt it? I even got a match for it roughly 2-3 years ago

[brittle forge]

It’s a dumb skin tbh but the game did have bigger problems. I think people mainly dunked on it because of how tone deaf it was when you already had things like the specialist quips

[shell ermine]

Everything else is fluff

[solar minnow]

Conquest gets old after awhile

[shell ermine]

Not if it's well designed

[brittle forge]

I would see it for like a week after every major DLC update but other than that I couldn’t really find one consistently

[edgy oriole]

I still think its funny they dropped a lunar new year weapon skin and nobody cared.
that was also back when they wanted the art department to fix bugs not do their job. so i want to say that didnt count

[solar minnow]

with these maps it's not

[shell ermine]

Well yeah, 2042 isn't worth playing at all anyway

[solar minnow]

true

[brittle forge]

If the game didn’t have other atmospheric issues they probably could’ve gotten away with Santa Boris but with all the other stuff it was just another nail in the coffin

[dapper berry]

people cared but most of the playerbase had already quit by then

[shell ermine]

Wish we could rent servers in BFV. I'd host a Wake Island Conquest 24/7 server

[edgy oriole]

this would be cheating.

[solar minnow]

I think most people would look the other way

[edgy oriole]

his t1 skin already bad enough

[low timber]

No one would be able to find him in the Orbital forest.

[restive saddle]

get sniped >sniped by Christmas tree

[arctic grove]

How?? its good camaflouge. Just make a map with alot of pine trees

[solar minnow]

It makes sense

It's perfect for snow maps

[arctic grove]

See? we are giving dice some good feedback

[edgy oriole]

snow map*

[solar minnow]

also fits the tone of the game

[brittle forge]

The Christmas trees speak South African

[solar minnow]

I wish we see more of this.

[dapper berry]

Santa don't surf

[forest snow]

Anyone else just get another survey for battlefield 2042

[brittle forge]

I love the smell of gingerbread in the morning

[edgy oriole]

no i got an email about apex legends mobile tho

[shell ermine]

Yep, going to tear into it even though I haven't played since December lmao

[mossy badge]

thats awesome

[brittle forge]

Shout out to Rising Storm 2 for having like a Christmas toy soldiers mode but with all the graphic violence and screaming/shouting of the base game

[mossy badge]

🎄

[cedar turtle]

They really ROLLED THE DICE

[solar minnow]

Nice

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/david-caruso-glasses-on-csi-miami-gif-9515023

[cedar turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/csi-yeah-david-caruso-csi-miami-gif-21597107

Omg I can't send gifs. I forgot. I'm not worthy.

[edgy oriole]

hitman 3 IS good

[calm bison]

It doesn’t change the fact that it’s really scummy that Hitman 2 is still $60

[fiery shoal]

wait until you hear about nintendo

[calm bison]

In the words of RussianBadger

Why the fuck is Black Ops 2 still 60 fucking dollars?!

Like these games are great, we know that

But damn, it’s not gonna hurt you to lower the price

[arctic grove]

Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild is still 60 bucks

[calm bison]

The Arkham collection is $40 and that’s 4 amazing games

[edgy oriole]

lower price = lower money

[calm bison]

But if you lower the price, you might sell more copies

[arctic grove]

Best deal

[calm bison]

Even EA lowers the price of their games after a period of time

Nice going WB

[arctic grove]

When is 2042 prices gonna lower?

[calm bison]

They already have

[edgy oriole]

i expect it to be on eaplay after szn 1

[shell ermine]

Survey has a question about a map editor for Portal

[arctic grove]

i expect f2p next year

[calm bison]

I mean BFV had a few free weekends

[shell ermine]

And a question about a server rental program

[arctic grove]

So we paid them so they can let us use their map tools

[cedar turtle]

Yeah but you can play all of the Hitman 1 & 2 maps in Hitman 3 with the $20 pass.

[forest snow]

Almost same as the last survey

[cedar turtle]

Here's a survey: Are you fucking serious? [yes] or [no]

[calm bison]

Also I don’t think we ever got an answer for 2042 lore

What the fuck happened to Venice

And the Netherlands

[arctic grove]

I too would like to go in depth with the lore

[dim mural]

what happens in Venice stays in Venice

[calm bison]

What if there is no Venice

[royal swan]

I don't think people will miss it that much

[calm bison]

Half of Florida is underwater in 2042

[cedar turtle]

Venice?! They thought you were talking about Dennis!

[dim mural]

Easier to stay quiet about it then 😄

[calm bison]

Y’all remember when Florida wasn’t known for batshit crazy people and a dumbass state government

[cedar turtle]

No

[calm bison]

Pepperridge farms remembers

[shell ermine]

You mean before it was a state?

[cedar turtle]

Was that before the Europeans sailed here?

[calm bison]

Maybe

I imagine the Cherokee were pretty nice. And the seminoles

[cedar turtle]

I was just there for Miami F1. Interesting place. Managed to get Covid for the first time there.

[calm bison]

I mean we got Disney World and Universal Studios

[wanton magnet]

Breakthrough. Not conquest

[calm bison]

Why do they call it medium rare? Seems pretty common to cook it like that

[cedar turtle]

you really rolled the DICE with that joke

[tiny imp]

Season 1 early june confirmed. Good news finally!

[cedar turtle]

where?

[arctic grove]

I swear man if they screw up season 1

[tiny imp]

#game-news

[cedar turtle]

[frank rain]

@grizzled whale angel will no longer provide armour 😡

[brittle forge]

Don’t be sad

[frank rain]

He is now early tier 2 he will supply armour plate box (this is how it just works out sometime)

[royal swan]

He needs a entire rework, especially with the loadout crate

[edgy oriole]

you know what. why did he have armour and a crate

[royal swan]

Spawning the crate is fun but it could have a better function

[edgy oriole]

I like the idea of the crate. I will say that. thats like the ultimate team ability

[hot bronze]

I feel like it should give a large area ammo refil

[frank rain]

Why

[edgy oriole]

you tell me

[royal swan]

It has a large ammo refill, small health refill, and repairs vehicles slowly

[edgy oriole]

does it repair vehicles or is that something you want. bc that would be dope

[hot bronze]

sounds op

[royal swan]

It's something I want. For the reason to make it not just another ammo crate or health crate

Also no recharge

[edgy oriole]

they should evolve the loadout crate to a supply station

you got my vote.

[royal swan]

Get it back after dying and despawns the previous one when placing another.

[frank rain]

Because snipers and sentry turret will haras people so he will provide armour 😡

[edgy oriole]

i c5 drone sniper campers. same as out of bounds vehicle campers

[hot bronze]

if you don't want to get shot, just avoided the bullets.

[edgy oriole]

[royal swan]

I want a mortar specialist and a placable shield station gun specialist

Like the ones in bfv

[edgy oriole]

buildable cover in bfv was dope too. same as reinforcements for vehicles

[royal swan]

Love them or hate them, mortars had help a team win games

[edgy oriole]

air strikes would be good too.

[royal swan]

Actually if you look at the lore angel does good with vehicle repair

It would make sense for him to repair faster than other specialist

[edgy oriole]

ohhh that would be a cool passive if its in the lore (i dont pay attention to lore) if his repair tool was faster.

falck faster revive, angel faster repair

[royal swan]

I think it would be best to make the specialist stand out with their abilities

Make them do well with some guns but worst in others

I got to write this shit down when we get to the discussion of specialist changes that dice will make

[frank rain]

Motar specialist 🤔 she should be tier 1.2 her name should be Monica bombarding girl she will be equipped with auto targeting motar it will be a big one which she will call in form the sky like angels loadout crate it will two shot hind and condor 😱 kon the sali hacker sali kohi nahi

[edgy oriole]

tru

[royal swan]

Could work

[edgy oriole]

I still think there needs to be an explosive specialist. m5 takes so long to reload and damage is poopy. so an explosive specialist would be good to focus on just anti vehicles. m5 really only good with recon since m5 is more pen than explosive.

oh and AA rocket is an absolute joke

[arctic grove]

Yeah AA rocket trash

it needs a buff

[edgy oriole]

takes 25 years to life to lock on just for the enemy to use flare to run and hide until they have it charged again.

only get lucky when there is an over confident helo user that thinks they are immune to everything so that stay in attack mode.

[royal swan]

Looked back on the lore for angel, his dad was a mechanic, and he loved to build things, take them apart, and rebuilding them again

So making his abilities more on repairing vehicles is a good idea

Casper, that sniper guy should have abilities that keep him hidden. Can't be spotted, can't be seen by the turret or dog, and only do well with sniper themed guns, does worst with any other types

[fossil trench]

Anyone got tips for getting kills with the big sniper?

Deadass trying to get close range kills because I can’t get any at all

[frank rain]

There should also be a specialist his name should be lokesh rajdharm 2 (angels big brother) his gadget ballistic head armour with 500 hp to many snipers around

[hot bronze]

its better at mid/close range. use 4x.

I hate ppl who use it

[fossil trench]

It’s getting a buff lol

[honest comet]

dont camp buildings, ur useless to teams then

[frank rain]

Are u violet thunder

[honest comet]

are you green cracer @frank rain

[frank rain]

I use to be green then I became yellow then I got angry 😡 and became red now I am scary and I am purple 💜 there is poision in me and I will become green 💚 🍏 again

Are u getting poisoned @honest comet

[warped pulsar]

A minor update after all this time, rip. But it's something

[low solar]

“Im 14 and this is deep”

[arctic grove]

LMAO

[honest comet]

lol scary and purple

yeah im gettin poisoned by dumb questions lol

[clear quail]

what I said to my uncle

[tiny imp]

Im glad they at least confirmed season 1 will launch early june and not later

[low solar]

😂

[honest comet]

lolololol

[dapper summit]

Early June so middle of June

[tiny imp]

early for me mean in beginning of june, not middle or later

But hey, is DICE we are talking about. We will never know excactly

[clear quail]

Or we do cause they preponed the season

It was early summer, which now became early june

[frank rain]

I checked the lore he had great grandfather he was in battlefield 5 he was an ex engineer may be he should be our new specialist 🤔 the great grandfather had a stoneage guy he's gadgets was predator bow auto head shot kill and xp farm straight 1000 lvl by killing 500 lvl 2 guy he's name was yogesh the poty hacker

[royal swan]

Lol

[frank rain]

😡

[frank rain]

Tell more about specialist dice is gonna rework it I hate class system

[royal swan]

If specialist are going to be in the game they better fucking commit.

[vivid nacelle]

the lag is real atm

[royal swan]

Can't change a franchise fundamentals and not be committed

[fiery shoal]

is this the "early summer" claim?

[tiny imp]

y

[warped pulsar]

atleast they said the next update is finally Season 1, in early June

[frank rain]

You know a guy working in dice is a Ukraine and Russia war specialist took a armour plate from angel before the update

[tiny imp]

I hope they drop some video trailer for upcoming season 1

[fiery shoal]

ah didnt know they actually gave an update on season 1

[edgy oriole]

I think this time they worded it "were aiming for early june" i could be wrong tho

"currently set for release in early june" close enough

[smoky plank]

Up next in our update schedule is the release of Season 1, currently set for release in early June. We’ll be back with a full overview and Update Notes closer to its release.

[fiery shoal]

june 1st "where update"

[edgy oriole]

not that again pls

[tiny imp]

About 2-3 weeks?

[fiery shoal]

it comes when it comes

this reminds me of the people that look down the street for the bus, like thats gonna make it come faster

[cedar turtle]

Stand up as soon as the plane lands, it helps it move quicker

[plucky pebble]

Bruh why they removed 128 breakthrough that was the only fun thing in aow

[edgy oriole]

welcome to the celebration of life of 128 BT storm

[frank rain]

It is not a plane it a space and common people who are sky talk thru it it was never a plane

[arctic grove]

Look at DM noob

[plucky pebble]

They dont get it 128 is not the problem, the maps are when you run 300meters wihtout covers and just plain you need bodies since theres no shit to take cover bruh

[compact sleet]

Fuck you dice! Taking away 128 breakthrough

[haughty plume]

Who is excited for the new conte... I mean bug fix update yayyyy

[edgy oriole]

im pretty excited to jump in. angel doesnt have armor skill and boris turret even easier to kill now

[haughty plume]

We always have battlefield 4 and 1 so who cares anyways

[edgy oriole]

[haughty plume]

And 3 ofc

[edgy oriole]

pass hard

[olive lake]

4.1 still needs to do more than just those changes

But hopefully we'll see another update shortly.

[edgy oriole]

I like the cchanges other than 128, but ill have to see how enjoyable 64 is since ive never played it. and they said they are set for early june so thats soonish

[frank rain]

People getting poisoned because angel has no armour now

[edgy oriole]

idk what this means

[smoky plank]

besides small stealth fixes/changes - this was always going to be a QoL patch before S1

[frank rain]

People poisioning me because I play battlefield 2042 and smoke cigarettes

[olive lake]

Still needs to sort out this awful progression system honestly

[edgy oriole]

this made me not know what youre talking about even more

[warped pulsar]

I'm curious what S1 will bring, hopefully after all this time we get more than just 1 map

[plucky pebble]

Press x to doubt

[edgy oriole]

map specialist, and i think map changes but could be wrong. as for other content we have zero idea

[fiery shoal]

its like people dont think for 2 seconds...

[edgy oriole]

i just hope battle pass wont be trash, and skin shop with actually good skins. any skins at this point. what we have is trash except night op skin.

[fiery shoal]

why would 4.1 be more than that when content is coming in less than a month?