battlefield-2042

[hidden sand]

Back when DICE actually had some simblance of care to push the industry forward lol

The gunplay has not aged well at all

That was the time games REALLY thought random bullet deviation = realism

Still play it tho because of it's offline support, but it still has a decent amount of players

BF2142 is basically dead though, which is a huge shame, it's difficult to find even half full servers

[honest comet]

how can ya say bad company wasnt good lol @hidden sand

[hidden sand]

Not what I said, re-read

[river trench]

[honest comet]

in any context

[torpid vortex]

bad company 2 was the first game they 'consolized' battlefield into a linear playstyle via flag placements and 4 person squads. They never really shook out of the console context.

And yeah it was not a welcome change to the franchise then and it isn't working now.

[honest comet]

well its one of their best games if u ask me

sayin its like decent game is travesty lol

[hidden sand]

Eh I mean post BC2, Battlefield went back to the style It's always had, not sure what you mean tbh

Minus 2042, of course

[torpid vortex]

if you think this is about they are the company and we are the consumer, they bought the franchise and are expected to develop the game, so they shouldn't be surprised that consumers are fed up with things like lack of work among other ethics complaints. Just the fact that they don't have the workforce they used to isn't even really an excuse.

[torpid vortex]

yeah I played cal league 1942 and any of those guys who saw the game played then would agree with me now. They never went back to anything like that.

[velvet sand]

shit son, the old cal/cpl days, that's a throwbck

[torpid vortex]

BF2 cal 1942, it was played different it was built different.

[hidden sand]

The only major difference is ridicuously huge spread on weaponry, though?

More classes as well, but reducing that wasn't a gamechanger, but it did help balancing

[torpid vortex]

problem hasn't really ever been how the game looked, it's just the stupidity in things like removing legacy features but having 4 person squads.

[hidden sand]

I don't see lower squad member counts as changing the game that much, so that's why I didn't really get what you were saying
Would be nice to have bigger squads again though

When playing BF3 though I never felt 4 man squads were downplaying potentional teamplay, it was easier to manage

Specifically with randoms though, 6 man squads are better with people you know

[honest comet]

yeah 4 squads is just fine

issue i have with this game atm is only that theres no content and little bird should be nerfed + fix rubberbanding

[hidden sand]

Little bird should be buffed and have the rocket pods replaced with Anti-Air

[honest comet]

jezus

u must be bad at game if u think it needs a buff

[torpid vortex]

not finishing a game then putting out a general consensus survey about what they should do like it's a PR stunt is ok too. chirp it up.

[hidden sand]

The miniguns are horrible, not sure what you mean

[honest comet]

lol thats all imma comment on what u said

about fury comment few days ago or something dice stated that they wont give up on the game and plan 2042 as main title for few years

[hidden sand]

I don't see what's wrong with asking the questions they did in that survey tbh

[honest comet]

so idk where u digged that

[next onyx]

It's weird going back to 5 man squads honestly.

[torpid vortex]

yeah it's just a picture about an article that is all fan-fare. The same people that are outspoken and putting in their opinion about what should change about the game, they are annoying and practically play the game less than people who just play and don't really say anything. It's also not very indicative of the general attitude and opinion of the issues about the game. Issue in the game was that it resets options all the time and breaks in a way that people can't easily fix by clearing their cache files, and the same technical people that can't figure things out but waste everyone's time are trying to move everything towards and turn Battlefield into call of duty which is a separate game.

[cedar turtle]

Making it free to play would help with player count, but I don't see how that fixes anything else that the people actually playing the game have been asking for. Which is a plethora of things.

[torpid vortex]

doesn't really matter what the survey said, if they are going to care bear people who want to put in their opinion ok, but trying to appease the community with the amount of work they do likely isn't going to work and is just some talking point to help their PR image. If they just started working wouldn't be a problem.

[cedar turtle]

Its many problems doesn't seem fixable at this point. But some people are able to still enjoy it.

[arctic grove]

This is the exact opposite of what the nightbird needs and the miniguns are the opposite of horrible

[next onyx]

Honestly it's really easy to rebalance the lot of weapons and specialists, Really they fix those I have a bit of hope they can fix the other stuff.

[arctic grove]

I mean I’ll hear you out as to why but I think the miniguns give way too much standoff distance between them and Attack helicopters, so they can kill them up to 400+ meters away. It has happened to me plenty of times

Mind you, AAMs stop working past like 320 or so

[next onyx]

Honestly going from 4 to 2042 with the little bird. 4's miniguns were better simply because they required you to be accurate.

Less of a pain.

[cedar turtle]

Star Wars Episode 1 moment

[arctic grove]

So you’re effectively screwed unless you can sneak up on them. In that case attack helicopters are fine and can knock them out in 2 AAMs

[next onyx]

Rao feels a bit cheap with hack plus stinger.

They literally can't even fight back.

[torpid vortex]

They balance things that shouldn't be balanced into relavence like steam punk action rifles, but all the gameplay nuances figured out, a lot of people aren't going to play because of performance reasons, and people can't seem to figure that out

[arctic grove]

Its pretty easy to counter but the hacking is extremely good at area denial

[next onyx]

The hack has so much damn range now.

[arctic grove]

You can lock entire objectives down from helis if you focus almost entirely on hacking them

[next onyx]

I might main Rao once I'm done with Angel.

[arctic grove]

Transports have this same issue

[next onyx]

What annoys me more is that damn barrage.

[arctic grove]

Where miniguns have too much damn range and attack helicopters cant hit them with the AAMs which is the most effective weapon to use, unless uoure within 50mm range so you can use 127mm anti vehicle rockets

[hidden sand]

The miniguns have ridiculously high spread, hitting things with them is an unecessary challenge. It's luck based rather than skill based, you will be punished for aiming properly. The rounds converge on the barrels rather than the crosshair, making them even more needlessly difficult. The ttk with them is also quite long given that fact. Rocket pods are boring, they're no skill farming weapons, miniguns should take priority similarly to BF4.

You are required to have good aim and decent flying ability in BF4 to perform well with the littlebirds, while in 2042 you are incentivized to use the rocket pods instead. The only challenge that comes from 2042s miniguns is ckunkiness rather than intentional difficulty.

[next onyx]

There's also some weird deadzones with aircraft.

(Deadzones is what you feel on the controller when flying)

[arctic grove]

I see what you mean now. I guess nerfed or adjusted damage vs. vehicles, and a buff vs. infantry?

[next onyx]

It's that little delay you feel when turning around.

Using your joysticks.

The smaller the deadzone value the lower the delay.

Lower numbers mean more stick drift but it's finding that balance.

[hidden sand]

Tbh I can't remember how powerful the miniguns are on other aircraft, but, essentially yeah

[arctic grove]

Too powerful honestly

[hidden sand]

Flying in 2042 is lackluster and janky in general

[velvet sand]

I know there are really good pilots, but I cannot wrap my head around the flight model in 2042 and just always end up crashing : |

[hidden sand]

But if BFV is anything to go off of, they won't try to improve the flight models and mechanics

[arctic grove]

As long as you are within 300 or so meters of attack helicopters that are using AAMs, the lock on time will take too long and that provides plenty of time to get hits off to make the helicopter retreat if it wants a chance at surviving

Im not even factoring in if the nightbird uses flares should the helicopter lock on

[hidden sand]

I think vehicles in general are a lost cause for 2042, because they're essentially recieving no feedback outside of "pls nerf"

[next onyx]

The only reason why they're so good is because the maps cater to them.

[arctic grove]

Not only that ive seen some try to suggest making them more like kill streaks in the way they are way easier to kill and take way longer to cool down

[next onyx]

If the maps were properly adjusted I doubt vehicles would be that much of a problem.

[arctic grove]

Which would effectively kill vehicle players off the game should that occur

[velvet sand]

This. Everything is interconnected, which is why DICE trying to silo feedback into "maps only" and "specialists only" (whenever that fuckin happens, lol) is so bad.

[hidden sand]

It's crazy to me that people suggest these types of things, why are they even playing Battlefield in the first place?

[arctic grove]

I saw a tweet about the specialist feedback earlier and chances are its just scrapped. I mean I am 110% sure DICE knows the real specialist feedback already lol

[velvet sand]

And they added the hugely complicating element of specialists and their skills into the equation to make any attempt at "balance" even more impossible for them.

[velvet sand]

Wait, there was a tweet about it?

[arctic grove]

Nope sorry let me reword it, just a conversation tweet under one of Temporyals post

But really what more feedback for specialists is actually needed? People have already given dice what they really want

Those AI soldier skins are just too damn dope to potentially never be playable lol

[hidden sand]

DICE hasn't scrapped it, those posts aren't just about recieving feedback, they also show changes they intend to make

I'm sure they're hesitant to post it though

[velvet sand]

Theoretically, the plan was they share some ideas the team is thinking about for the system and solicit feedback both on those specific areas/ideas and more generalized feedback, like the map feedback loop.

[arctic grove]

That’s a good insight, I honestly wondered myself about the question so those answers are good

[hidden sand]

The best solution to specialist is reimplenting how BFV did it's elites. Purely cosmetic and not required to use.

This would allow them to keep their word of 4 more specialist, and return the class system

[cedar turtle]

It's kind of troubling when the people that make games for a living couldn't already deduce many of these changes/fixes from the start.

[hidden sand]

You're only assuming they didn't, at the end of the day it's up to what the guys upstairs at DICE want

[cedar turtle]

That's true.

[arctic grove]

I don’t really see a problem with this, id just suspect it would have some sort of legality controversy since 4 new specialists are tied to the season passes

[hidden sand]

The 4 new specialist would be made regardless, keeping their promise of doing so true

[arctic grove]

True

[mental cave]

if theyre still called specialists but are cosmetic now instead of having a gadget it would not have any legal controversy

[hidden sand]

I wonder if specialist were built off of heroes in SWBF2 and it's hardcoded that they have their own abilities, explaining why the classes in portal are still listed and play like specialist

[daring bison]

anyone else not able to get in the game?

[mental cave]

definitely not, hero system in star wars is based on points earned in game which would of sucked more for a battlefield 😂

[hidden sand]

I'm not talking about the battlepoint system, rather the hero class itself

[mental cave]

basically the hero system in star wars isn't even a hero system its more like a gadgets call in from call of duty but instead of a helicopter you spawn mfing Chewbacca

[hidden sand]

Yeah not really what I'm talking about though

[velvet sand]

Possible. One of the devs tweeted about how they legitimately can't remove specialists because the entire game is built around them or something.

[hidden sand]

Good ol DICE

[mental cave]

I dont think its the same, its very different star wars heroes don't have anything that changes gamellay they just have a slightly better gun and some good extra moves. but they eventually die and take awhile to get back

some of the heroes even use guns that you could just unlock for your normal trooper anyways

[arctic grove]

Ive seen what I think is the most likely suggestion to see in game, and that’s put 2042s ai classes in Portal

Not just to see them in the portal combinations people come up with but for that crowd that absolutely despise the specialists as well

Chances are if people can play portal and progress normally with the AI class system assuming no modifiers/settings are messed with, theyll also feel more open to play AOW with specialists when they want to use rhe specialists abilities in those situations they’d come in extremely handy. Maybe people wouldnt mind purchasing specialist mtx skins either

[calm bison]

Dude battlefield is being dumb

Although their servers are back online I’m convinced players are connecting with a higher ping than normal

I saw quite a few 100+ latencies on BFV

[shell reef]

Cod camo grind ftw

[velvet sand]

oh right, I still have to play another round or two for the weapon skins before the weekly ends

[arctic grove]

I get 16 ping when I normally play

[shell reef]

2042 is ass nothing from the roots where battlefield came from they made it a grind it used to just be combat now its just farm/grind 8000 kills for a extended mag or a skin with black and red im surprised they dont have purchasable skins or camos i. The store

[velvet sand]

cosmetic sales will be coming with the start of S1, so hide yo wallets (lol)

[shell reef]

Oh yeah im sure

Look at this

[cedar turtle]

Look at what

[shell reef]

Bf4 came out 29th of october and its first dlc came out 22th of november its just disgustingthey are lazy and we have been stuck with the same maps since launce (November 19th 2021)

[arctic grove]

To be fair man dice chose stability before content with this game

[shell reef]

And bf4 was talking about 2013

[arctic grove]

I think there trying to get the game to a point b4 adding more on

[calm bison]

I think many of us would rather have a product that works before we introduce new content that has the possibility to break the game

[eternal storm]

Or maps that aren’t shit

[calm bison]

TBF there’s like 2-3 decent maps

[shell reef]

What stability?😂 ppl here with shit connections what is the point of playing the game honestly get spawn killed by vicheals in breakpoint or run till you get an aneurism in conquest we need as a community a strong def but they in my opinion say fuck yall whatever whenever cod 2022 drops ea is on the ropes

[calm bison]

Orbital
Manifest
Discarded

[eternal storm]

They’re terrible compared to previously maps

[shell reef]

They had 7 months at this time man

[shell reef]

6

[calm bison]

I mean DICE hasn’t had the smoothest track record with live service

[arctic grove]

They probably should of done a mix of big maps and small but that’s a would of could of should of thing can’t go back can only go forward

[calm bison]

SWBF2 had to wait a whole damn year and half before worthwhile content was given

[eternal storm]

Also it’s sad that I’m excited for cod over bf now. That’s never happened for me. Dmz will likely be w fleshed out game mode unlike hazard-shite

[calm bison]

And BFV didn’t get a new map until May 2019. *6 months after Panzerstorm dropped in December 2018

[eternal storm]

But bfV and swbf were good games at their core, 2042 is not

[calm bison]

What’s weird is that 2042 still has that core, it’s just not in AOW, the flagship segment of the game

It’s in Portal

[eternal storm]

Portal is so badly implemented tho it’s doomed

[calm bison]

Which sucks because the community are such an uncreative bunch

[cedar turtle]

Hitman 3 was good.

[calm bison]

I’ve yet to see one creative gamemode that wasn’t featured on the main menu

On both last and next gen

[eternal storm]

ZOmBiEs

[calm bison]

Portal has the potential to be completely ridiculous, but all the community can scrounge up are XP farms and Hardcore servers

its even in the trailer with how ridiculous portal can be

[velvet sand]

There are a few, sniper mode active now is interesting at least (even if I have no interest). But that's on Ripple who handle choosing the featured modes.

er, was active previously*

But yes, nobody is doing those crazy servers because you get hit with limited progression for making literally any changes to Portal servers because DICE/Ripple apparently care more about the "integrity of the progression experience" than people having fun in their deadass game.

[shell reef]

Like? Breakaway is a spawntrap attacksrs get like 2/3 choppers 1 bird 2 tanks 18 bolters and the defending team? A bolter one tank OR BIRD OR A TANK Or a chopper of choice just one though

[eternal storm]

All portal servers are 13/64 players anyways lol

[calm bison]

It wouldn’t be this way if people weren’t so deadset on making the most boring ass xp farms

It’s like having a kitchen full of ingredients and making toast

[shell reef]

Game is dead thats why the dont give a shit

[calm bison]

Like bruh

[velvet sand]

It's like having a kitchen full of ingredients, but the kitchen also has roaches in it so all the good cooks left.

[calm bison]

Portal is basically Mario maker but battlefield

Also portal isn’t terribly implemented

[shell reef]

Lmfao

[eternal storm]

Portal was never good even with player base on release

[calm bison]

I will die on this hill, but DICE could explain this gamemode to a T on how to take full advantage of it, and we’d get the most dull gamemodes ever

[shell reef]

Portal ass was a excuse/distraction for their shit lacking of content

[eternal storm]

My friend was adamant portal was going to be this amazing thing where you could do anything with so much content

[shell reef]

Rip

[calm bison]

Portal is dead partially because of DICE’s xp policies but also because the community sucks

[velvet sand]

This goes back to an argument I've made before, in that simply giving the community tools to create things =|= good user-generated content. Part of it is on DICE/Ripple for not heading off XP farms pre-emptively, but this is a problem throughout many MMO's that gave users tools to create dungeons or missions in their game (in a limited capacity). The same XP/gear farms popped up, but ever so briefly there was a bit of official support where developers highlighted actually well made content.

[shell reef]

I need 2/3 new maps couple of new weapons thats it dice acting like im asking to live on the moon

[velvet sand]

It's only through that active curation and promotion of good content that it gets seen/played. You can't just give players the tools and fuck off, players will create boring XP farms because they want to play optimally vs. for fun. Discoverability is generally a big problem across any service with a variety of content on offer (i.e. literally any streaming music/video service, for example)

[calm bison]

This is a fair point

[cedar turtle]

Every game needs a badass main title score from a live orchestra

[calm bison]

Ok…

[velvet sand]

If that orchestra is not playing it LIVE, LIVESTREAMED INTO THE GAME why even bother.

[shell reef]

Its been a boring xp farm for 6/7 months

Half a fckking year

[calm bison]

Pretty sure someone could code CSGO into this game

[velvet sand]

The whole-ass game been boring for 6/7 months while DICE tries to dig itself out of another hole because they launched a buggy, unfinished, but also poorly designed game...again.

[cedar turtle]

THANK YOU

[calm bison]

Honestly, 2042 isn’t even that bad. I can still find full lobbies of AOW, and 128 player conquest isn’t half bad. They just need to tone down the transport spam and get maps that aren’t entirely shit

Also the game runs pretty smoothly on a series s

[eternal storm]

Did you ever play any other battlefield

[calm bison]

I have BF4, BF1, BFH, and BFV in my Xbox library

I started with BF4

All of them are good in some varying degree

BF4 is good because it’s a reliable battlefield
BFH is good because it’s fun and arcadey
BF1 is good cuz muh immershun
BFV is good because gameplay
BF2042 is good because of how I’m actually able to have some degree of fun in it

[radiant prism]

The games got a long way to go, but the game is decently fun, and that’s all I can really ask for from a game.

[calm bison]

[radiant prism]

If the game is fun, I don’t give much of a shit otherwise

[calm bison]

The problem with older battlefields is that they’re filled with people who have over 2000 hours logged and basically have a 3/4 full shit bucket underneath them

[plucky pebble]

Decently but not for the full 60 bucks

[calm bison]

And they are so sweaty we could refill water reserves in some parts of the world

[shell reef]

Dig itself? I might as wel call this game kirby and the forgotten lands (ps2) ill 48 hour stream bf5 or 1 rn anyday before i play bf2042 for 2 hours ppl dont know what the fck theyre talking about and be playing since bad company 1 and this is AASSSSS WHY would u play 2042? Give me a couple reasons

[calm bison]

Like I’ve played BFV since launch , and I barely have 800 hours

BF2042 and BFV are immersive experiences

[arctic grove]

So many people always trying to go for B1 on orbital

[calm bison]

It do be like that sometimes. People also try to go to A sector on Hourglass

[shell reef]

literallyANY battlefield b4 2042 had more immersive and more fun playing than 2042 regardless

[calm bison]

It’s just how it is

[arctic grove]

These guys just bring two hinds

[calm bison]

Fuck hinds, all my homies hate hinds

This post was made by F35 Panther gang

[plucky pebble]

Debatable

[calm bison]

I mean 2042 on breakthrough when you’re pushing a sector and everyone is rushing in and all of the vehicles are charging in and the bF theme in the background is playing goes pretty hard

Also 128 player conquest on a highly contested objective

And BFV pacific is basically on par or surpasses BF1 at times

Actually anything post pacific in BFV is pretty immersive

Provence slaps hard

[plucky pebble]

Discarded on the city on 128 is but still

[calm bison]

I would say that hourglass during the sandstorm is like purely cinematic

Also

entirely abandoned city since 2030, yet the power still works across the city.

[radiant prism]

That’s weird…the stadium is advertising a 2042 championship

The narrators also make it sound like this is very much a recent occurrence with the trucks being stuck

They wouldn’t go after trucks 12 years later

….would they?

[hardy leaf]

the setting of this game is the least interesting so far of all battlefields

[radiant prism]

That’s a matter of opinion tbh

A lot of people don’t give a shit about world war settings

[tepid agate]

2 YouTubers I follow recently uploaded videos DICE and " time".

Both YouTubers said that after the last feedback loop, they will release the specialist feedback loop in a "couple" of weeks.

It's now been 7 weeks and they haven't said anything 😓

[arctic grove]

Just as id argue it has the best since BF3 for my own reasons

Damn how’d I mix those up

[plucky pebble]

Copium

[calm bison]

Actually it’s pretty compelling

Because they set it up so realistically

[radiant prism]

I wouldn’t call 2042 a literary masterpiece or anything, but it’s definitely got some interesting premises

[calm bison]

There’s something haunting about a world filled with over 40 failed states and yet is still trying to kill itself

[tepid agate]

Maybe they meant months instead of week but they could have corrected their wordings

[calm bison]

Higher sea levels, insane storms, and the idea that in 100 years the earth would be stuck in another ice age

[plucky pebble]

Then thats correct

[radiant prism]

I guess an entire 400 change update last month doesn’t count as communication…but ok, it’s a fair point to an extent

[tepid agate]

Yes if they actually decide to communicate about it 😓 they've gone so quiet on the matter

[calm bison]

We’re supposed to get a patch this month

When that is, is yet to be revealed

[hardy leaf]

if you think showing a post apocalyptic war torn world with serene deserts and grasslands and few buildings here and there which are perfectly built with no sign of destruction is realistic, then you are very easy to please my friend

[arctic grove]

Chances are its this week. But i cant tell ya

Cuz idk either

[plucky pebble]

I mean fuck them we arr not getting content till season 1 so better dont do anything till that

[calm bison]

I mean if you look at the timeline, the idea that the 20s and 30s for the 21st century were basically the same as the 20th century’s but worse is pretty interesting

[arctic grove]

It definitely is a very interesting story and although the soundtrack isn’t conventional its really dystopian and fits 2042

[calm bison]

A global blackout, famine, economic collapse, and intensifying weather conditions are pretty scare when you think about it

Just wish the specialists weren’t so happy go lucky

Like dude people back home are starving and yet you’re raving about being ready for round 2 or some shit

[hardy leaf]

there are countless games that have shown this kind of setting in a far better way than 2042

[arctic grove]

Okay cool. 2042 is still dope story wise

[calm bison]

Yes

[arctic grove]

And if that’s what maverick thinks that’s also fine

[plucky pebble]

But we learn from our mistakes

[arctic grove]

That’s the problem I have too. Just doesn’t fit at all

[calm bison]

I think what’s cool is that this sort of unifies the timeline

BF4 is a sequel to BF3. 2042 is a sequel to BF4. BFV is a sequel to BF1. Now we need to connect BFV to BF3

Also hardline takes place in 2015

And bad company takes place in uhhh…

The 21st century? I think?

[arctic grove]

Hardline and bad company are cursed alternate dimension

[calm bison]

Part of me hopes that the next game is hardline 2 and is set during prohibition

[arctic grove]

Hardline was different, I never played it but I respect it doing something totally new

[calm bison]

And the campaign follows a Star Wars squadrons type style where you can choose what side to fight for

Also RIP squadrons

[plucky pebble]

Ew

[tepid agate]

Okay now I really do feel something is up with steam charts because it's showing 0 players online as of 43 minutes ago 😄 I know there are lots of bots to fill servers but it's not completely empty no way

[arctic grove]

Of course it isn’t

[calm bison]

Also S7ØRM I thought your PFP was a really sad mushroom and only now realized it’s a dog wearing a hat

[arctic grove]

Me too lmao

[tepid agate]

Well it says it has a 24hour peak of 1.9k player that's more accurate

Only way if it's currently 0 is if servers are down for something 🤔

[arctic grove]

I think battlefield in general was having server issues earlier

[calm bison]

It was

Servers are back up but they’re a bit rough atm

[plucky pebble]

maybe on steam it is

[tepid agate]

Ah that probably explains it. Hope it's fixed for Thursday. Thursday is battlefield time

[calm bison]

If you do happen to log on atm expect maybe a higher latency than usual

Or don’t. It depends on your connection method

[restive saddle]

Hardline was made by the DS devs (rip original Dead Space devs they killed the company because of Hardline iirc)

[calm bison]

Visceral

[tepid agate]

I only log on Thursdays for the weekly mission. If it's not fixed I hope it's more spotting tasks so it won't really impact the speed of completing the missions

[restive saddle]

I liked Hardline though 🤷‍ it also has a pretty extreme balance or ttk issue but I think that makes it more fun. Unfortunately since it's relatively dead now most of the fun or interesting modes are unplayed and it's usually just Conquest (unfun in Hardline)

[plucky pebble]

hardline infantry was the best

and the heist mode

[restive saddle]

I mostly did hotwire

[tepid agate]

Oh no servers show 1.2k now so running again

Bf4 also 1.2k 🧐

[restive saddle]

the issue I had with Hardline conquest was vehicle balancing and map design (why does an armored vehicle take twice as much damage compared to legitimate regular cars lol)

[tepid agate]

I think conquest was all I tried when it became a free download in the store. Not sure I played enough for map rotation. Just conquest. Always snipers on them skyscrapers lol

[restive saddle]

seriously you hit a car with a grenade it will do 20-30 damage but hit armored assault vehicles and they take 50-60

I guess it's to balance the firepower or something but it's just strange

[tepid agate]

Bf1 2.2k and bfv 2.5k

Yeah seems something up with servers

[remote bone]

anyone else having a glitch were you lvl a gun in solo/co-op and when you go to equip them it's locked even tho you met the requirements?

[fair barn]

yes

unlocking the next requirement in a normal lobby fixed it for me

if you have all the attachments, the next mastery will unlock them

[white geyser]

The next battlefield, but it needs to have good content, better destruction, background lore what we need, and it better be good that's better than 2042.

[velvet sand]

"better than 2042" is setting the bar real low

[remote bone]

i had to wait 15 mins for an EA support guy to tell me the same thing

[silver lantern]

How about
Penis

[warm spoke]

Hey, I just loaded into the game and it gave me what was basically a tutorial match with all bots, is there a way to keep playing with and against only bots?

[restive saddle]

yeah it's called go to 'co-op'

or just the regular game honestly a lot of matches that aren't completely full likely have ai

[white geyser]

They screw up the co-op for 2042, I want co-op mode to be online matchmaking they need to fix it

I been telling them on social media and the feedback on EA website, they better see that message about what I said co-op mode needs to be online matchmaking

[velvet sand]

Bro, just because you post on social media doesn't mean they read it. Just because they read it doesn't mean they agree or will do it.

[tepid agate]

Keep fighting them bots. Now is a good chance to get weapons and vehicles to top rankings skins, before the season 1 spikes

[nova torrent]

Dude. EA isnt gonna listen to one singular person on their social medias.

[warm spoke]

I don't understand what that means bc I don't know how progression works yet lol

[tepid agate]

Once you kill X Amount of players you'll unlock a black and red skin for your vehicle/ gun

[warm spoke]

Oh sweet

[restive saddle]

You can't do challenges though using bots

[tepid agate]

Servers tend to have a lot of bots in and this also contributes to you skins! Killing them is much easier than real people lol

[warm spoke]

most of my kills so far have been with C5

Can I do weekly missions in bots?

[white geyser]

I already unlocked the skins I want for my AA tank, grinding both solo/co-op and portal since I created my own custom matchup

[tepid agate]

Yes. Bots are there to help fill servers. They will be in most macthes so kills them and it will help everything

[warm spoke]

I mean the actual co-op mode

[tepid agate]

Even "noob" from Battlefield friends could rack 100 kills in a public server if he's in a condor 😄

[tepid agate]

In co-op I think there may be a cap to how much you can progress

[tepid agate]

I gave up on skins since I lost enthusiasm with the game. Weekly missions is my skin enthusiasm haha

Even big YouTubers like Westie, Jackfrags, LevelCap... Seems like they hardly play it also now but share updates. I try to keep up with what they share. Hopefully the delayed specialist loop will come soon.

[warm spoke]

How do I deploy with a parachute?

There are objectives on buildings I dunno how to get to

[tepid agate]

What platform do you play on

You take elevators from the ground floor of the buildings to get to the top

[warm spoke]

PC

[tepid agate]

Ah. Every character has a parachute

[warm spoke]

But how do I spawn in the air? can i do that

[tepid agate]

Yes but I don't know what key to hit on pc

[dire quest]

Don't think you can spawn in the air in this game

Unless squadmate is in air

Anyone know if flashback conquest has bots?

Last time they did a 64 v 64 mode in portal, there was no ai backfill so matches were empty

[copper fulcrum]

I don't think so

I don't think any of the featured modes have bots right now. Although if bots were in TDM or Distance Master that'd be too easy

[vivid inlet]

is battlefield 4 till active 2022

[tepid agate]

Plenty of full servers there

[tepid agate]

Yeah I had like 8vs8 matches in those the other week. Would be great if AI bots filled them. They are very important to 2042.

[dire quest]

128 players on the small maps is badass

Sadly we'll never get to experience this again

[arctic grove]

Orbital is top tier

[tepid agate]

Maybe they will in season 1. I prefer the flashback maps to the 2042 anyways

[tepid agate]

Well, 2042 shows 1.6k steam players and bf4 shows 1.5k players.

That's not the full numbers for both games but shows it's still active.

[tepid agate]

Wow I've never had a squad of consal players before usually always pc players in it

[arctic grove]

It’s a mix bag for me, console & PC players in the same squad

[tepid agate]

Same. That photo shows a whole consal sqaud though. Very rare lol

[arctic grove]

Yeah lol, I just like playing on console because it’s more convenient for me but I also have a PC for those PC exclusives simulators

[tepid agate]

I just play in consal. Can't get play with keyboard and mouse but know my game would improve if I could lol I bought BF4 2x in PS4 and 1x for pc back in the day lol

[warm spoke]

I'm so confused, they have a1 and c1 and we have b1, b2, and b3, and they're winning?

[arctic grove]

I also have more friends on console that I hang out with, I bought the gold edition so paying it again on PC wouldn’t be worth it

And someone’s in a F22 following me

[tepid agate]

Ah don't remind me of gold addition (I think that's what I got) (middle tier?) Regret it everyday and try to forget it lol

[arctic grove]

I like 2042 but I wish it wasn’t so buggy at launch but that’s what you’d expect from Battlefield as usual. Also need more content

[white geyser]

I haven't went playing BF4 like weeks ago, I just wish they add BF4 maps in 2042 portal, also add BF4 in the portal if they're gonna bring back the maps. I need the map of dawnbreaker and I forgot the name of the map where it has the beach and the ship where it crash, I'm not talking about paracel storm map.

[tepid agate]

Yeah if I know it was going to be such a disaster launch and we would get new content for almost the full year because they will have to fix the game I would have waited the year. Shame on me I guess

[tepid agate]

It's great to see BF4 servers are still full and active. I sometimes go back to play.

[arctic grove]

I like their approach though, fix the game first add the content later

[tepid agate]

Thanks for adding "fix the game first and add content later" because their sales approach was a crime 😄 yeah I agree. Fix it before adding more stuff

[arctic grove]

[warm spoke]

Also why did my team have way less players

They got 5 more people than us

[tepid agate]

It's a bot thing Bottlefield 2042

[warm spoke]

Okay but I was playing co-op

Why in co-op do they intentionally give you a team with less people, everyone but me was a bot but their team straight up had more members

Since it's co-op would they not just automatically balance the teams?

[tepid agate]

My matches in co-op sometimes the same

[tepid agate]

Also, I'm not sure BF4 maps could be added. Some of the levolution and storm affects can drastically change the entire map.

[white geyser]

They better pick the maps that won't affect the game

[waxen hinge]

Please for the love of god tell me theres a nerf coming for the hind/condor

[tepid agate]

We shall see

[tepid agate]

They are boring and over powered with their cannons lol

Just hover, wipe out infantry with cannon, accelerate away to heal, reapeat

[waxen hinge]

Yes. Which is why the need a nerf. Its so fkn easy to do it. Completely remove the front cannons ir hard lock it to the 40gl

And make it unrepairable unless they also take away health from it

Im tired of being farmed by that thing. Had a whole breakthrough match where no one, not even tanks or other vehicles could spawn in because it was shreading everything

[tepid agate]

Exactly it should just stick with its machine guns. It's a bloody transport vehicle not something that racks up more kills than attack helicopters and jets lol

[waxen hinge]

If not that make it a 4 seater. 1 driver 2 machine guns 1 passenger

So fkn easy to make it viable. Same would apply to condor

[tepid agate]

Just make it like the bf4 choppers

[waxen hinge]

Hell, and if they dont wanna nerf it...buff the wildcat

30mm atleast

To tear down that hind before the gun overheats

[tepid agate]

No don't buff other things it needs to be nerfed it shouldn't be getting more kills than tanks, attack helicopters and jets

[waxen hinge]

And dice and ea know about the problem?

Or is it just the boris sentey they focusing on

[copper fulcrum]

The only game that looks anywhere near close to their trailers

[tepid agate]

Well, they decided to launch the game with putting breakthrough objectives on roofs so they must believe they are doing something right 😄

[waxen hinge]

I hope they nerf transport helis into the ground and reset the ranks of those who farmed >:[

Back to lvl 1 with them

[tepid agate]

If someone could rack over 20 kills with the BF4 transport choppers OMG that is a god achievement. In 2042, 20 kills with a transport chopper is easier than being infantry on the ground

[dire quest]

Don't forget to reset people who kill bots back to level 1 also

[waxen hinge]

Well i kill people sooo?

Dont take that outa context

[tepid agate]

We would all go to L1 😄

[white geyser]

I'll keep killing bots in the portal I created my own custom matchup, until season 1 update is here and they better give the fans what they want that should have been in the first place before it was release.

[dire quest]

Basically it's pointless to reset ranks lol

[waxen hinge]

Reset them anyways

Also k30 and mp9 shouldnt be sniping me constantly:]

[tepid agate]

Do you know how easy it was to get skins and vehicle attachments because of bots lol

[waxen hinge]

This 1 game has made me hate crossplay so much more :]

To bad its dead outside crossplay

[tepid agate]

In BF4 all those vehicle unlocks felt like an achievement because it had to be against real people lol

[dire quest]

All you have to do really is wait til friday, turn off crossplay, then farm fnb for skins and tier 1's

Every fnb has full progression and ai backfill

[waxen hinge]

Or

I could wait 3 months for next update

[tepid agate]

I only play Thursdays 🥴 I see numbers go up over weekends though

[waxen hinge]

Wasnt specialist rework supposed to be 6 weeks ago?

[dire quest]

Feedback was 6 weeks ago

[tepid agate]

They haven't said anything

[waxen hinge]

So what? They have to wait for feedback before an update to even know if its a good update?

[tepid agate]

That's the only news in waiting for lol take your season 1 what's happening to specialists

[velvet sand]

So DICE have stopped communicating and we have no idea what's going on.

[waxen hinge]

I wanna see specialist dissapear. And return to the original frame of battlefield. Dont even seperate them into classes. Just get rid of them

[tepid agate]

They said they would give us specialists feedback loop in a "couple of weeks.... Said 6-7 weeks ago...

[hearty flame]

gotta remember this is dices SoonTM

[tepid agate]

Dice put a lot into specialists they won't be scrapped

[waxen hinge]

Because they wanna be rainbow i guess

[dire quest]

To be fair battlefield 5 had somewhat of a specialist system

[waxen hinge]

What they need to do is pull a bungie halo 3 moment and sleep in the office

[tepid agate]

Really? I remember bf1 did with elites but they were pick up items not the whole server lol

[hearty flame]

Vs specialist were the combat roles i think hes sayin
class based specializations for playstyles

[dire quest]

Was it bf1?

Elites was what I was thinking of

[waxen hinge]

When forza is a better battefield than battlefield

[hearty flame]

ah ya. but I think dice shouldve expanded on the combat roles for V because it couldve been good to expand on playstyles within classes

[tepid agate]

They were taking hg baby steps. Added the idea as a pick up item in bf1.... Let you be some special character in bfv .... Then 2042, oh hell scrap the classes let's go all in lol

[waxen hinge]

Every time i play 2042 i look at 5 and think "perhaps i judged you too harshly..."

[tepid agate]

Yup

[hearty flame]

oh no we judged V exactly how it deserved. 2042 is just a lot worse than it shouldve been after Vs lessons

[fervent grotto]

But V is good now

Thank god it is

[dire quest]

Don't worry we'll be saying the same thing about 2042 when the next battlefield game releases

[tepid agate]

Bf5 had so much missing content at launch it clearly needed a lot more time also, but because of the same situation with 2042 and on top of that a whole new direction they're trying to take the game it's just whyyyy

[hearty flame]

I know I wont and I bet 2042 was the last straw for a lot as well

[waxen hinge]

2042 taught me to never pre order games ever again

Hell i didnt even get my pre-order bonuses

[tepid agate]

Not if they add classes and destruction from launch lol

[fervent grotto]

2042 taught me to not preorder bf games anymore

[tepid agate]

I'll toast to that

[waxen hinge]

Also mw2 gonna be mediocre at best

Better than 2042 atleast

[fervent grotto]

I will still continue to preorder cod, but ESPECIALLY Titanfall 3 if that ever comes out

[hearty flame]

mw2 will be good but all eyes are on the new warzone

[vivid inlet]

where is battlefield 4 chat

[waxen hinge]

titanfall 3 was scrapped for apex

[fervent grotto]

No

[waxen hinge]

Cuz EA is a shit company

[tepid agate]

Maybe just start in in #battlefield-legacy-titles lol

[fervent grotto]

Also no. Lots more people are focused on multi. Though there is a large following for wz2

[fervent grotto]

Respawn confirmed they had plans for it but not in the near future

[hearty flame]

really? id thought that wz is bigger than stock mp

[waxen hinge]

Warzone lost 50 mil players lol

[hearty flame]

wz is free at least

[fervent grotto]

Well warzone at its current moment is def bigger because of vanguard but since MW was such a good game lots of people are excited for MW2. Especially since we aren’t getting a new cod in 2023

[tepid agate]

Ask you a serious question about your discord name "finna"?

Do people really speak that way? Not judging I honestly never heard it before and I'm guessing it is replacing "gunna" which is what I use when speaking instead of "going to"

[hearty flame]

im interested to see what their 3rd mode is gonna be

[fervent grotto]

I just say whatever comes to my find. I say finna, or I say gonna. Just whatever pops into my head

[tepid agate]

Is it like it today generation thing that use this slang? Bloody how I feel and sound like I'm an old man 😭😂

[fervent grotto]

Probably a co-op mode I assume. I hope it’s better than MWs because that co-op mode was sooooo hard for whatever reason. Like legit, it was ridiculous how tough it was.

[fervent grotto]

Yes, slang is used in modern language. Which is exactly what slang is for

[hearty flame]

Ya it got ridiculous really fast. I hope they do another spec-ops style coop campaign or maybe another mw3 survival mode

[fervent grotto]

I’d like either. As long as we get some sort of reward for doing them.

I also really hope we have more NVG missions in MW2s campaign

God those missions were so good

[hearty flame]

night missions are pretty cool but i think that they arent really popular with the wider community. the night mp mode died pretty fast

[tepid agate]

Wow I must have been living under a rock or something 😭😂 thanks for the educational lesson. Think I'll stick with gunna, but now I can also understand the people who use finna

[fervent grotto]

A lot of people liked the NVG missions, but the mp version didn’t work as well.

[hearty flame]

prob cuz claustrophic vision and fast paced gameplay dont work well for a lot of people

[tepid agate]

Would you also say like, I'm finna eat some food, I'm finna go to the park? I'm legit speaking out loud trying to see what it sounds like

[thick shadow]

I'm hoping mw2 will be brutal and even more grittier

[fervent grotto]

Yea in the campaign missions they could force players to play slow but I’m mp you can’t really do that

[fervent grotto]

Yea. Literally just swap finna for gonna and there boom your done

[fervent grotto]

Yes please

[tepid agate]

Wow this is cool man

[fervent grotto]

My guy is getting his mind blown by “finna”

Lmao

[tepid agate]

Like when I was younger and I have slang and then the older generation would have to learn from me what I'm saying, now I'm being taught like I'm in their shoes

[hearty flame]

it was kinda disappointing when they faked giving you choices for brutal things but had kiddy gloves all over

[tepid agate]

Yeah this is bloody mind blowing man 😂

[fervent grotto]

I knee capped the butcher before letting him bleed out.

[copper fulcrum]

It wasn't hard, it was just bullshit

[fervent grotto]

It was hard dude

[hearty flame]

i shot the kid lol

[thick shadow]

That london mission was terrifying on how real it felt but nothing beats the mission where you play as child farah imo

[copper fulcrum]

You had to use cheese tactics in order to win any of the co-op missions in MW19

[tepid agate]

I'm finna sleep, I'm finna see you tomorrow, I'm finna be ok 😄

[fervent grotto]

Bro I fr pointed the gun at him and expected the game to let me just shoot the poor kid 💀💀💀

[fervent grotto]

Alright bro lmao

[hearty flame]

well you can lol but you game over. do it too many times and it kicks you out the mission too i think

[thick shadow]

It kinda held back tbh but better that than going full pussy mode

[fervent grotto]

Yea, which made it hard. Enemies were way to Tanky, and there was so much bullshit you had to deal with all at once

[fervent grotto]

No that’s throwing grenades at the baby

[tepid agate]

Can I also know the age so I can understand this generational age Gap or if we are roughly the same then I really have been living under a rock 😂

[hearty flame]

oh was it? lol im too trigger happy

[copper fulcrum]

They should've just did the Spec Ops way back in MW2/MW3

[thick shadow]

Throw a frag in the last room at top floor lmao

[hearty flame]

eh id rather they go all the way than have it half-assed

[fervent grotto]

Like teenagers. 13-19 I’d say.

[fervent grotto]

Tbh though you kind of have to. Otherwise the internet will make sure you have a bad time

You have to hold back sometimes which sucks ass but ya know

[tepid agate]

Oh I'll be 33 NEXT year so message generation of gap lol

[fervent grotto]

Holy shit your out of the loop by like 12-13 years

[hearty flame]

Eh spec ops the line did this a long time ago. kill us soldiers to save civvies or sneak past? kill a cia officer or let him burn? or shoot into an agressive crowd that just hung a squadmate or scare them off? it had a lot of choices made through gameplay

[thick shadow]

They have to be cautious that they don't go overboard, it sucks that people like those from ign always find something to complain about which most of the times causes controversial shit

[tepid agate]

I know right 😂 if I have a decide to have a few drinks and game with my mates I'm going to be like, I'm finna come and revive you!! 😂 Going to be like what the hell? 😂

[fervent grotto]

IGN has no right to talk when their own “journalist” couldn’t pass cupheads tutorial

[hearty flame]

they couldve gone spec ops the line or no russian but all we got was a kid being "shot" in the smoke

[fervent grotto]

We also had the kids being gassed in that mission with kid Farah

You also brutally stabbed a Russian man with spoons and screwdrivers

[hearty flame]

I dont really mean brutality but choices ya know? interrogating the butcher by killing his family or shooting him? itd make price's "we draw the line where we have to" speech have more impact

[fervent grotto]

Ok I get that

[fervent grotto]

That would be great

[thick shadow]

IGN: ghost of tsushima aims too much to japanese culture

Audience: Dawg its a game set in japan and based around the samurai timeline

IGN: DID I STUTTER

[hearty flame]

Didnt you know? its CuLtUrAl ApPrOpRiAtIoN

[fervent grotto]

Mfw when people complain about the Witcher not having enough people of color:

[thick shadow]

IGN and twitter are lowkey siblings

[copper fulcrum]

I hate it when people complain when there is "too many people of color"

[tepid agate]

Watch MW2 release without killstreaks like 2042 did with classes/lock-in systems and watch the complaints begin 😅

[thick shadow]

@copper fulcrum your name has me cracking lmao

[hearty flame]

that argument always felt weird to me. why would people travel to an active warzone that involved one of the strongest nations on the continent
they should be runnin not comin

[fervent grotto]

It’s funny because it’s based in a country that is know to be mostly white. Like I’m talking, people of color are rare sights

[fervent grotto]

He tends to be a little negative sometimes

[hearty flame]

I know but in lore the country with more poc are to the south and i dont think theyd have a reason to go to a warzone that the game takes place in.

[thick shadow]

Well that's usually when people think too much about equality rather than games that are aiming to be more accurate

[tepid agate]

I think they did that before bfV launch and shit hit the fan

[hearty flame]

I think too many people forget that social and physical mobility was barely a thing in the past. too much hollywoodization

[copper fulcrum]

I don't really care if there's no real 'equality' in certain media groups, but when people get angry at it it's like

"chill dawg"

It's a piece of entertainment, nothing more nothing less

[thick shadow]

I honestly don't mind a character with color, as long that I feel like the aesthetic of the uniform, and gear fit the timeline.

Like jackfrags once said

[fervent grotto]

“No WoMeN iN mY WW2 gAmE 👿👿👿👿”

The same mfs when they see a ww2 tank get blown into the air and shoot a modern day fighter jet out the air: “😫😫😩😩😁😁”

[thick shadow]

Well not the color part

[hearty flame]

like that kingdom come deliverance game. its set in like the backwoods of europe far from most trading routes. and people were arguing for poc with the director who lived in that country and could get sources for the game

[copper fulcrum]

The same motherfuckers that jump and slide around quick scoping with no helmet on

[tepid agate]

I think some of those who passionately rant about the equality maybe because the games is depicting something false, which might be close to them

[copper fulcrum]

It depends on if the word 'accurate' is used or not

[fervent grotto]

I don’t give a flying shit if a character is black, white, purple, or anything. Female, male, non binary. I don’t care. Just please, don’t do it for the sake of some internet brownie points

[tepid agate]

Yeah I don't really mind it

[fervent grotto]

Exaclty bruh

[hearty flame]

after that actiblizzard diversity tool? no way people dont see everyone as tokenism

[thick shadow]

Should I worry about not sleeping if I have to work only 3 hours today?

[tepid agate]

I saw some YouTubers saying the only problem was almost always you year women screaming to death like that was common sounds in the world wars

[thick shadow]

It's 6:27am ☠️

[copper fulcrum]

Okay that was absolute bullshit. There's no better way to show "This type of people is a statistic to us in this way" better than that fucking graph

[tepid agate]

I mean, if you're creating a game of a world war they have to stick to common facts lol

[fervent grotto]

I mean do you function well with low sleep like me? I can go like 2 nights staying up till like 3 and waking up at 6. But eventually I’ll go to bed at like 10 and then wake up at 7

[hearty flame]

but in a way its what that crowd have been screaming for all these years: quantifiable diversity

[copper fulcrum]

Not really, you can do whatever you want with whatever piece of media

As long as well, it's not made to promote hate speech or whatever

or, additionally to give false information

[thick shadow]

Well I'm not really a stable person when it comes to emotions and such which really tire me out often. Hope that answers your question

[tepid agate]

Yes it's there game they can do what every they want, but world wars of past are real events, they connect deeply with people, if you try to depict it adding super exaggerated things or really unrealistic it can come across as disrespectful so people passionately complain

[fervent grotto]

Then you should probably try to sleep a little

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, the fact that it's made into a sort of competitive shooter is already sorta disrespectful

[hearty flame]

i mean if they wanted to add women into V all they had to do was tell stories about the resistance. itd celebrate real people and accomplishments rather than fake ones

[thick shadow]

I have to get up at 8:55

Not asking for sympathy, just wondering if I'm not the only one with this issue

[copper fulcrum]

Sounds like some bad sleeping problems

You should talk to your doctor or something man.

[tepid agate]

I actually think bf1 was a good educational experience lol maybe not everything 100% real but they can tell stories to make you appreciate the sacrifices made

Not that I don't already, just saying

[hearty flame]

if we got you timed out would you go to sleep lol?

[thick shadow]

Eh it'll eventually work out

[copper fulcrum]

Don't treat it like that.

[thick shadow]

Bro just mute me for like 55 years

[copper fulcrum]

Listen the earlier you get it solved the better.

Try taking sleep aid like melatonin

[thick shadow]

Well I see my psychologist every 2 weeks or so, kinda helps me

What is melatonin? Sorry my english vocabulary isn't that advanced

[hearty flame]

sleep meds

[fervent grotto]

Hey do you think if I bugged the 2042 devs hard enough they’d add a .700 nitro express double barrel

[copper fulcrum]

It's a vitamin that helps you sleep

[copper fulcrum]

Just any kind of side by side double barrel would be nice

[hearty flame]

only if you get them to add a remington model 1859 as well

[tepid agate]

What was the bug issues with bfv was it that they were trying to push the woman agenda for diversity? Not that women didn't serve or sacrifice for their countries but when it was dominated by male seemed to cause a lot of rage

[thick shadow]

I'll look into that medicine then, just wondering if it keeps you asleep for a while cause I need to wake up in the morning often you know

[fervent grotto]

Naw bruh if it isn’t a .700 nitro express then I don’t want it. I want to punch a fist sized hole through people and vehicles

[copper fulcrum]

imagine getting a kill using a wingsuit with that

[hearty flame]

bruh i dont think you could wingsuit with that at all

[copper fulcrum]

You can wingsuit with a rocket launcher and an NTW-50

[thick shadow]

Does c4 launch work in 2042

[tepid agate]

Launch cars with it?

[thick shadow]

Yeah

[copper fulcrum]

In portal yeah

[tepid agate]

I don't know they put it in their trailer so I would hope it's not false advertising

[thick shadow]

In portal you can but I'm wondering about the AoW mode

[copper fulcrum]

It's not too effective in 2042. But some people tested it and if you use way too many explosives in 1942, you can cause a jeep to go so fast that the server breaks

[hearty flame]

its cuz the initial trailer had several things in it that people quickly pointed out : female soldiers, a brit with a katana on his back, and prosthetics that wouldnt have worked for combat. when people pointed it out the devs responded with comments like "right side of history" and "how can i tell my daughter she cant play a woman in ww2?" and most famously "dont like it dont buy it". and so thats how the relationship between dice and some players got toxic

[tepid agate]

They also put a dart gun which shots and sticks onto a plane, then they fire like an RPG which tracks it and blows it up... I haven't seen that yet

[thick shadow]

Dawg do that when people hack in a match to ruin their session

[copper fulcrum]

That's in BC2

[copper fulcrum]

That would take like a whole server to do it lol

[hearty flame]

ah to good old dart gun. it felt really good when you could consistently make hits with it

[tepid agate]

They put it in the trailer but yeah never experienced it or seen it happen before

[thick shadow]

Do I look like I'm afraid to do it

[hearty flame]

its in portal

[tepid agate]

They also have a few infamous lines for their responses to the public regarding 2042. A common trend for them. Ah, this is why I understand why people get stressed

[thick shadow]

I honestly don't like the new helicopter controls if I can be honest

[tepid agate]

Ah. My portal matches are always around 8 v 8 so looks like it's hard to experience

[hearty flame]

ya. in the lead up to 2042s release devs said things like "trust us fam"
right trust you guys lol

[thick shadow]

I'm a console player so yeah of course it's different but the fact I have to press left stick down in order to stay levelled

[tepid agate]

Never heard that one 😂 I just remember then saying the community have brutal expectations for them to deliver

Also like, halo had a well polished launch so ours didn't shine as bright ... Something like that

[hearty flame]

that too. there was also a party that dice held during Vs launch that had a giant tv board with a bunch of comments they deemed hateful. they called it everyones battlefield or something

[thick shadow]

No bots that fill the server or something, they usually fly with aircrafts too

[tepid agate]

They must have had a bug new years Eve party to lure people in for those Christmas sales lol

[tepid agate]

Oh yeah I can tell when they do they move very slowly lol

[jaunty elbow]

quick question, is bf2042 worth the re download?

[hearty flame]

iirc V didnt sell well during its launch window. like half or so of 1s in the same period. it even went on sale too

[hearty flame]

if your issue with 2042 was bugginess then sure. if it was content then wait for season 1

[thick shadow]

Remember that article about AI in bf1 that Westie talked about a few years ago?

[tepid agate]

I would guess 2042 blew bfV launch out the park they way they advertised it lol

[jaunty elbow]

that’s all i needed to know, i played beta and launch didn’t rlly like it

[tepid agate]

There was ai in bf1 👀

[hearty flame]

well if EA is disappointed enough to not release sales numbers then it probably wasnt great

[hearty flame]

ya then wait for season 1 then. we're supposed to be getting a specialist feedback loop soon too but dice is probably dragging their feet with it

[tepid agate]

I feel they sold a lot but considering the backlash and active player decline it would have been embarrassing to share the numbers

[thick shadow]

Well no but it was supposed to come to multiplayer back then, was still experimental.

Like they made the bots learn by the players on how they perform each match, from dropping ammo crates to healing pouches, laying down suppression and such

It was called Seed or something

[hearty flame]

oh ya they did ai experiments for 1 and i think they said it was too hard for players?

[tepid agate]

Didnt they get some new studio after the 2042 launch maybe the advertised the game early to help pay for that

[thick shadow]

The idea was great though, but execution was something else

[tepid agate]

They are not even needed in BF4 can still get full servers but doubling player count in 2042, bots are very essential

[hearty flame]

i mean on one had it makes sense cuz its a live service game so most of the money made will be during its live service. however 2042 has no live service yet so investors would want to know sales figures to see how well it did

[jaunty elbow]

alr i’ll wait then, yesterday i spent some time reading thru the reviews on steam and wow it was funny

[hearty flame]

You can always trust steam to make the most of a bad game lol. hopefully they have enough to interest people into coming back later

[tepid agate]

Those investee calls are always interesting. Transactions will surly come to the game at season 1

[arctic grove]

Man where tf died DICE go?

[hearty flame]

Ya im betting on it unfortunately.

[thick shadow]

Yeah but you are using a very active and OG game as an example on why they're not needed. Bf1 is slowly dying with its player count so it's a perfect time to implement that feature in it, if it still was a thing of course

[tepid agate]

Maybe some transaction to buy a refund 😆

[hearty flame]

lol they are usually quiet so this is the norm

[tepid agate]

Yeah I only compare BF4 because it's their last modern shooter compared to 2042

[hearty flame]

thatd be hilarious. buy a game and have a refund and uninstall option in the store

[thick shadow]

That is true but I was talking about 1 though brother lol

[tepid agate]

Then I would wait until the game is where it should be before purchasing it again haha

[arctic grove]

Man amma just wait for MWII and switch teams lmao

WTF DICE

[tepid agate]

I think bf1 is still quite popular

[hearty flame]

more and more im becoming one of those patient gamers that can wait a month after launch to see how a game goes

[hearty flame]

at least with infinity ward and mw2 you have a track record you can rely on

[plucky pebble]

ooof

[thick shadow]

Reputation wise and overall it is but every game dies slowly and 1 is unfortunately one of them, unless it's just my bad luck with having mostly empty or low player count servers that gives me the impression

[arctic grove]

Yea am very curious to see ground war in MW2

[tepid agate]

I'm already at that promise land 🤗

[arctic grove]

MW2 is rumoured to have decent destruction

[hearty flame]

I mean at this point 2042 is just groundwar with destruction and air assets you control instead of call in

[arctic grove]

And it sucks ass BF1 all the way now

[hearty flame]

three cheers for backlogs

[tepid agate]

Yeah it all dies unfortunately. They captured such a huge audience though being the top seller for their product. Many of those gamers will play the latest old war game (bfV) if it's good, which it is

[hearty flame]

ya its great that older bfs are still kicking lol

[tepid agate]

Didn't that last investee call put the bfV logo in the active transaction ?

[arctic grove]

BF1 is the last good BF game and prolly the best imho

Everything that followed is a f* disaster

[hearty flame]

ya it made sense since they were talkin about live service and 2042 hasnt even gotten out of bed yet

[arctic grove]

Man it all went down hill when they switched to live service

🤢

[tepid agate]

I think bfv became a great game but bf1 maybe my all time favourite

[hearty flame]

you mean "launch poorly and fix later" service. i cant say i know many good live service games

[thick shadow]

Personally I think the reason older games like bf3 and bf4 were such big hits and still are was because they tried something new than the usual world war setting.

Just make a new game with new ideas and setting and just see if the audience either loves or hates it

[tepid agate]

This is what they did with 2042 and they have to wait almost a year for season 1 to fix it, and on top of that they are planning to "rework" their specialists because a larger majority of the community are unhappy lol

[arctic grove]

BFV is the most feature complete BF game imho

But

It's divorced from It's setting......can't elaborate more or i get banned....but you get it lmao 😂

[tepid agate]

Yeah I liked the new movement features of bfV , fortifications when preparing the defend in breakthrough.. some cool aspects but bf1 pips it

[arctic grove]

Yep but BFV lacks that authentic down to earth atmosphere of BF1 imho cause....u know

[thick shadow]

That's where we talk about being too careless with new ideas, honestly look at mw2019 and it's tactical reloads and everything.

They implemented those in 2042 but they look really sloppy in the game which doesn't really make a good impression to some people.

[tepid agate]

Yeah bf1 atmosphere is unmatched is trurly a masterpiece they produced

[arctic grove]

1000% true bröther.....Ideal BF game for me

Is BFV's tech/gun play
BF1's authenticity and atmosphere
BF4's setting

[tepid agate]

Because they are after a new audience, then trends that's making lots of money. You can tweak things into your game but once you break from your fabric you'll be lost

[arctic grove]

Ffs i thought 2042 was gonna be this and preordered the ultimate edition 🤢 🤢 🤢

[tepid agate]

Only 2042 element I wish could be moulded into a Battlefield is changing your gun sights and stuff in-game, that's ok with me lol

[arctic grove]

Man even the ost in bf1 is f** good

[arctic grove]

Yea is cool but not THAT useful except for putting on a suppressor

[thick shadow]

There's nothing wrong with trying something new though but if you understand what your audience loves, do not ditch that stuff then cause people play your franchise for a reason. One game can lose its identity for what it's known for if the people behind it overwhelm the players with unnecessary shit

[tepid agate]

Yeah not bot saying it's essential but just cool. Tornado is also cool but if you give me bfv levolution or this 2042 tornado ... Take your tornado back

Not that I hate it, tornado is a cool feature but so much more they could have done with it

[arctic grove]

Yea lmao tornado cool af but 97% useless except for the "weeeeeeeeeeeee am flyinn" effect lmao

[tepid agate]

Exactly. This is the lesson they have learnt from this 2042 experience. I'm sure they will learn from this mistake, as they said they have learned valuable lessons

[tepid agate]

Yeah we can just run into it to eject ourselves to another part of the map lol good quick transport

[thick shadow]

Bro imagine a battlefield game with the jet gameplay of ace combat, infantry of bf4 and atmosphere of bf1

[tepid agate]

If only developers understand that then playing the other FPS games and detaching from their product to follow trends

You have amazing elements from you own past work. Think of ways to keep them, improve on them

[thick shadow]

Studios like suckerpunch know how to please gamers

Even some indies

Why not a bigger company like dice ☠️

[tepid agate]

Well, some people do enjoy 2042 and the new direction they are heading so they did something right in that regard. I don't hate or bash people who like the new direction of 2042, I'm just one that wishes it followed paths similar the Battlefields I played the years before

[thick shadow]

Oh I can respect the fact that people like where the franchise is going, truly. It's just the fact that the game came out unplayable and the lack of communication with the community.

Hopefully we can both agree on that this subject is universal to everyone

[cyan trout]

Profits. Some publishers still haven't figured out that making a solid game will make more money than bloated mechanics and micro transactions.

[thick shadow]

I agree with that really, I'd rather recommend a game to people that's solid and playable rather than one that's filled with micro transactions

[tepid agate]

Yeah and I can also totally understand the people who enjoy 2042 and their view. There's this product that they purchased and enjoy and they see lots of people spreading hate and complaining about the product.

At the same time I think people are this way because they care about it and they want it to be something else which they've diverted away from.

The Devs surely see from the amount of players who are playing their older games compared to this, bad they have gone wrong. Hope so anyways. That they can fix it.

[thick shadow]

Having an open mind is key to give positive feedback for a game that needs improvement 👌👌

[tepid agate]

Dice should frame that in their office for real

Everytime they boot up their laptops that's the welcome message

[thick shadow]

Sorry bro but I'm trying to keep up lmao. My eyes are killing me

[cyan trout]

I don't think feedback needs to be positive for it to be constructive.

[thick shadow]

True, feedback comes in positive or negative, anything to make a game better

It's mostly the negative you use to learn

[tepid agate]

If I was to put a random number on it, I reckon for people who enjoy 2042 and the New direction the game is trying to go, maybe it makes up 20% to 30% of the battlefield community?

Not that that 20 or 30% is invaluable, we are all here because we love Battlefield and we want it to be the it should be.

I'm sure it's clear what the problems are and hop le they can deliver in season 1

Communication is very important though, like we are all your customers, So when they say we will update you on the specialist loop in a couple of weeks, and they go silent for almost 2 months, that's not good

[thick shadow]

I'll still keep my expectations low for this game, if they deliver and surprise then I'm sure people will be happy

[tepid agate]

Yeah for me personally, I would love it to go back to the battlefield feeling. Have that effect where I want to come back and play it daily, just log on once a week for the weekly missions.

Of course people change over time too but I still love Battlefield and the state and direction is heading just isn't my cup of tea. There are cool things I enjoy but there are probably more I enjoy in the other ones

[desert elbow]

+BF3's destruction and BC2's amount of destructible buildings

[arctic grove]

1900744% true

[dusky blade]

They said the same thing with BFV

[tepid agate]

Really? Well, if they said that for BFV and turned things around, let's stay hopeful they can pull 2042 out the dark and do the same.

[dusky blade]

I mean they said they learnt

[hidden sand]

Bf3 destruction is kinda meh, along with 4s

It was best in BF1 and Vs imo

[tepid agate]

I started at BF4, so from what I've played, things to mould into a battlefield would be same of

bf4 levolution
Bf1 atmosphere
bfV gun play / moment...

From games before BF4, which features would you have wished to mould into a perfect Battlefield

Is there anything from 2042 you would mould into a perfect Battlefield?

I think the tornado and abilities to customise guns during battle is cool

[silk surge]

Idc what anyone says, the sandstorm in Hourglass is insane.

[eternal storm]

i like it, its cool, just so much of the rest of the game is weak as fuck

[hidden sand]

It never loads in properly on last gen so I've yet to really experience it lol

The map just suddenly turns red and thats about it

[next onyx]

If you want a good aiming gun give the SCAR H with its high calibre ammo a go.

It might lack a proper damage model but without a doubt really useful for getting your aim down.

After practicing with it for a day, Others guns barely have any kick LOL.

[trim forge]

128 players on flashback cq was a mistake, shells are barely registered by the server side, it can't handle this load, so pathetic, wish they returned ordinary fb cq for 64 players...

[desert elbow]

for some reason i never see the sandstorm roll in, it always just appears instantly

[pine roost]

I would agree with this combination, it seems to be that golden ratio among bf fans to have this mixture of games put into one. The only thing I would change is that it shouldn’t use bfv’s weapon mechanics, but it should change it around so it has actual patterns and screen centre shot placement. The movement in bfV is good though, even if it isn’t as good as 4 with its crazy movement techs

I miss the ability to ledge grab and roll

[tepid agate]

Yeah I also liked when you could lay in your back and aim/crawl.

Did you play any of the battlefield s before BF4? I wonder what other cool aspect would be nice to blend in

[pine roost]

I kind of get why they removed the crawling on your back, since that led to moments where someone could easily blend into corners and facilitate camping, but it did have its uses outside of that. But them saying that 2042 will expand upon bfv’s movement didn’t age well

[tepid agate]

I didn't even know they said they'd expand on them

[pine roost]

There was a comment by an official member of the dev team who said they were directly taking bfv’s movement and expanding on it, I’ll try and find the link

[tepid agate]

Only thing I feel if different, in terms of movement is the running. When you can run at different speeds holding your weapon different. I first experienced that in warzone than saw it in 2042. Maybe that's what they meant he "expanding".

[next onyx]

Funny enough for Bf5 they didn't use patterns. All it was was mostly control based.

But it's called random recoil because of spread =/= recoil.

[pine roost]

Yeah there are actual patterns hidden within the system but the two layers of randomness added on top sort of makes that obsolete

[next onyx]

Honestly.

I'd like to imagine a next gen update for bf5. Removal of health attrition, No random recoil and ray tracing on consoles.

That would be all I want.

[pine roost]

I haven’t actually tried ray tracing myself yet, is it that noticeable?

The only game I’ve played with ray tracing on is Minecraft : |

[next onyx]

It's...

It makes the game super pretty.

This is the first time I've played bf5 on high settings on QHD so everything is due to look nicer anyways.

And the game looks super pretty even without ray tracing.

Really if the resolutions and all that were upped the game for console would still be pretty good even without ray tracing.

[tall finch]

yo when are u directing the funeral for vanguard?

[arctic grove]

It’s been in the dirt since announcement

[tall finch]

oh ok, well did he direct the funeral for cod yet?

[arctic grove]

[tall finch]

im pretty sure he directed a funeral for BF already

[arctic grove]

2042 has potential, it’s just not there yet

[mossy badge]

V graphics is the bestttttt

[tall finch]

2042 is actually pretty good since 4.0 all it needs is content

[warm spoke]

What the hell is wrong with the co-op mode

I just went 76-5 against beginner bots and still lost because literally none of my AI teammates did anything at all for the whole match

[tall finch]

cod vanguard is well, RIP

[warm spoke]

Shouldn't they be the same AI? Why are they perpetually afk?

[tepid agate]

I'm glad you stay hopeful. More players less bots

[tall finch]

im getting tired of 7 maps and 19 weapons, I NEED NEW STUFF

[tepid agate]

I think portal had more maps and weapons than 2042

Well they had to fix the game before new content. If 4.0 was the launch condition we would have already had season 1

[warm spoke]

No seriously why are all the allied bots afk in co-op

[tepid agate]

They have a programme of their own

[warm spoke]

Why is it to afk

Literally none of them are even going near the objective

[tepid agate]

If you don't want bots and want to go against full servers with real people, you have to do some research about your region. You'll have to play on specific days or times

[warm spoke]

Bro
I am playing
The co-op mode

It is only bots

[tepid agate]

Try another mode

[warm spoke]

I've tried both modes it's the same thing, my team gets 5 less players and all of my bots afk

Literally unplayable

This makes no sense, shouldn't both teams AI be using the same code?

Not to mention I have literally no way to damage ground vehicles
I don't understand how this is supposed to be possible at all, I can't 1v32 against a fleet of indestructible vehicles

[olive lake]

Its do able with the right tools. Just nay require you to die a couple times. Then again the AI do carry a lot of rockets on higher difficulties

Like if you fly, you are bound to see a barrage of rockets from infantry

[warm spoke]

I don't spawn with enough rockets to destroy even one vehicle

[pulsar sorrel]

Use C5.

[warm spoke]

Guess what pal I don't have C5

They lock it behind level because apparently being unable to destroy a vehicle is balanced

[pulsar sorrel]

Don't you unlock it early?

[warm spoke]

I still don't haveit

[pulsar sorrel]

The rocket launcher is good too imo.

[warm spoke]

3 rockets takes forever and still won't destroy a vehicle

And I just went 84-5 and lost again, I don't understand, how is it possible to win even a single match of this shit? It's 32 on 1 and I can't harm vehicles until I level up more or capture objectives bc I'm permanently outnumbered, what am I even supposed to do?

[pulsar sorrel]

Most of the time theyre already damaged

[warm spoke]

No they're not, nobody else is attacking them, I'm basically playing alone

[pulsar sorrel]

🐸

[olive lake]

I feel you. Near impossible to level up in solo coop

[warm spoke]

I just don't understand why the enemy AI and allied AI don't just ,use the same AI? Why are they different?

[olive lake]

Its so horrendous and it shouldnt be this way for the core gane mode

Have you tried out the harder difficulties. Feels more even on advanced

[warm spoke]

No I haven't, I don't want to try to play against harder bots still alone and iwthout a way to hurt vehicles.

[olive lake]

Granted there are still moments of stupidity but it does feel less one sided

And also understandable.

Bear in mind its basically been that way for almost 7 months. Little to no progression included

Its definitely not okay and been trying to send that message everywhere

[pulsar sorrel]

Use a vehicle too.

[warm spoke]

yeah lemme just use those no vehicles I have unlcoked

[olive lake]

Best you can do is just snag a vehicle from one of the bots

[white geyser]

I think one time, I stole the vehicles from the bots and it was from 1942. Since then I haven't stolen a vehicle from the bots in any of my custom matchup in the portal.

[slim quiver]

It’s probably going to be that way for a while if not forever

Most likely the reason being because of the backlash it causes to appease a smaller part of the playerbase

[gloomy rune]

When is may update?

[slim quiver]

Who knows

[next onyx]

Probably won't be anything coming soonish due to there being no updates at all.

As in work in progresses.

[slim quiver]

Yeah

Season 1 is a month or 2 away

[next onyx]

The summer update could be at the very end too.

August-ish. It depends how ready they are.

[stone cradle]

I'm certain it's near the end, that's the strategy for DICE usually

Or maybe when the game hits EA Play

[slim quiver]

I wouldn’t care if they dropped support of this game

I’m almost upset that they have a 1 year guarantee

[next onyx]

It's one thing to set a date but due to game dev a lot of things can happen.

[slim quiver]

If anything I’d rather have everyone start a new project

[stone cradle]

Alot of people who currently play the game and spent $120 on the ultimate edition would.

[slim quiver]

Since this one will never have any core change that will change this game

[slim quiver]

I spent 120 dollars and I could care less

[next onyx]

They need to delay their next game to March what, 2024 2025? and that's saying IF They get enough time to work on the next game.

[slim quiver]

Pretty much

[next onyx]

Two open betas for feedback, Easy.

[slim quiver]

But if they stopped now, we’d probably get it by early 2024

[stone cradle]

I'm pretty sure they're focusing all their efforts on the next BF and 2042 has a skeleton crew working on it

[next onyx]

But noooo we must compete and release it before Christmas!!!!

[slim quiver]

That would be the best possible scenario imo

[stone cradle]

They need to please those poor innocent shareholders

[slim quiver]

To be fair

[next onyx]

They're more than likely just throwing concept art around.

For the next game.

[slim quiver]

Those shareholders play a role in getting us the game

[next onyx]

Really that's how it works.

[slim quiver]

All businesses need investors

[stone cradle]

Except EA doesn't take feedback, as shown by people from the game changer program speaking up. I hope they actually are open minded this time

[slim quiver]

And notice how the game changers did a 180. I don’t trust anything a game changer says

They shilled the fuck out of this game pre release

[next onyx]

Is Westie a game changer?

[stone cradle]

Game changers stated that the game wasn't ready for release, EA didn't listen

[slim quiver]

Even admitting they got an early showing of the game that they couldn’t talk about

Jackfrags talking about how excited he was

[stone cradle]

I guess they could be wrong, never know.

[slim quiver]

Then the game releases and they 180

They have to think about their viewers and their career

Honesty does not make money in that line of business

[stone cradle]

And he still is praising the game, but not in his livestreams, that's where he speaks honestly lol

[slim quiver]

Yes he flip flops

In his videos he praises the game

[next onyx]

Flakfire out of them all I like.

[slim quiver]

In his livestream he complains

Or talks about how broken shit is

[stone cradle]

Most of the other youtubers like westie and tbag have just moved on and openly state in their videos they don't like how the game released

[slim quiver]

Westie went from shilling to hating

No surprise there

Gaming YouTube formula works like this

There’s another guy who talks shit about 2042 that got removed from game changers before 2042

[next onyx]

Who were they?

[slim quiver]

Don’t remember his name

[next onyx]

Oh fair.

[slim quiver]

I’d have to look again

But he wasn’t invited to the showing

While a bunch of other YouTubers were

[stone cradle]

Not surprised, they probably can't openly speak the truth due to those contracts they have to sign when entering the program.

[slim quiver]

The reality is they absolutely knew the content of the product coming

They were 100% aware

They knew the game in its state pre before the beta

[low timber]

Lol, he blocked me in twitter for something I said in Danny’s server where he isn’t even on

[stone cradle]

I'm pretty sure too some game changers claimed that the original idea was BC3. I don't know the authenticity of those claims though

[next onyx]

Rip.

[slim quiver]

And although they couldn’t state details tho eh could have stated they didn’t like it

[low timber]

A bit creepy tbh.

[next onyx]

Probably would have circulated too.

[slim quiver]

Those were multiple rumors

[next onyx]

Shame cause he's actually a pretty good guy.

[slim quiver]

There was an article that said BC3 was proposed years ago

And they scrapped it

Because it was far too long between the 2nd one

[next onyx]

The word is that they'll make a bad co 3 when they be guaranteed not to mess it up.

Which lets avoid the snarky comments for this though.

[slim quiver]

People have to understand by this time, new video game players will not know what BC1 and 2 is, and they will not play 2 old games to finish a story left on a cliff hanger

[stone cradle]

That's ironic considering mirror's Edge catalyst released quite some time after the original mirror's edge

Around 7 years I believe

[slim quiver]

Mirrors edge catalyst was a game at least in its originality a game that could be enticing to even new playera

BC1 and 2 the multiplayer is dead practically

And all that’s left is a campaign most people won’t go back to play

[stone cradle]

Yeah fair enough, and their campaigns aren't the best

[slim quiver]

Keep in mind the mechanics too

[next onyx]

it was a better campaign than the others at least.

[slim quiver]

Do you think anyone wants a BF game they can’t prone in?

And a more cartoony art style?

[next onyx]

It had a perk-ish sort of system too.

[slim quiver]

Look at how bad the models are perceived so far in 2042? And that’s not even cartoony

Battlefield art style has been under fire since post bf1

BF1 spoiled us

The game is a visual masterpiece

[stone cradle]

Yeah, took me some time getting used to V being quite less serious. Elites are ridiculous but specialists took it to the next level for me.

[low timber]

There are few content creators who want proning gone.

[slim quiver]

People have wanted a dark, gritty and bloody BF game for the longest time and BF1 gave that to us. The gore would have been incredible if they had found a way to implement that. Maybe if a headshot makes you non revivable, your head can split off or something. Or explosions not letting you respawn but then minimize explosives

[next onyx]

Want to know the funny part Miki?

[slim quiver]

Hm?

[next onyx]

Hardline had those features of unrevivable headshots and explosion kills.

[slim quiver]

Yup

Should have had gore

[rapid vortex]

Hardline was a lot of fun

[low timber]

Ew, gore

[next onyx]

Though you could have revived yourself with a special syringe.

[slim quiver]

BF can be dark and gritty if that’s the theme of the game

[stone cradle]

And being able to pick up ammo and med packs I believe

[next onyx]

Yeah from people. They copied that into bf5.

Oh wait.

You mean scattered throughout the map?

[slim quiver]

I’d love a very dark and gritty BF Vietnam game. Imagine gore with traps in the forest floor. The defenses being dug in traps all over the map

[stone cradle]

No I meant from people

[next onyx]

Yeah alright so what I originally said.

[slim quiver]

Spawn beacons for Vietcong could be little tunnels you dig

[low timber]

Rising storm Vietnam?

[slim quiver]

Good game

But still not battlefield

[next onyx]

Honestly all I want is a 40v40 battlefield game with interesting weapons, Theme can be a whatever just lemme fire an AKM/103.

Or even an ACE or IMI Galil.

[stone cradle]

That was a good mechanic, BFV perfected squad play mechanics like squad reviving

[slim quiver]

Obviously battlefield TTK is arcade

BFV perfected BF gameplay in general and player mechanics

[next onyx]

Bf5 was really good teamplay wise. Though it was also shit as it really punished people who liked playing alone.

[stone cradle]

I still have no idea how they went from V's pretty much perfect movement to 2042's

[next onyx]

I wouldn't mind attrition if it didn't handicap my self regen.

[slim quiver]

Because The community slept on the one game that drove infantry into its best state ever in the series and took 3 fucking years to admit it, I’ll never forgive the BF community for that

[next onyx]

The compensation is great, Carrying a med pouch but you were pretty much dead anyways.

[slim quiver]

I will never blame dice

I will blame the community

[low timber]

I haven’t played BF with a squad of friend with voip after BF4.

[slim quiver]

They betrayed BF so hard when V came out

They chose to be petty and we ended up losing

[stone cradle]

That's because they were too caught up with so-called forced feminism in the game lmao

[slim quiver]

If anything 2042 is karma

[slim quiver]

Yes the community was mad we got to have representation in the game

[next onyx]

Admittedly the reveal trailer was horrible but it's one aspect you don't even notice that much.

People play as they want and really that's fine.

[low timber]

Yeah, the horse bust tied to a Churchill

[slim quiver]

Tho it’s unsurprising, it ruins their real life immersion. I’m sure the people complaining don’t see women in their lives commonly either. Bet they’re surprised that we actually play the fucking game

[next onyx]

GOD I forgot about that.

Nvm the fact it was a churchill AVRE which would have been cool to see.

[low timber]

Look at my Mercedes Churchill.

[next onyx]

Look at the sick bumper.

and spoiler.

[low timber]

Low rider

[slim quiver]

I love battlefield but the community did BF dirty

26 million sales for BF1 down to sun 8 million for BFV

[next onyx]

Give it the snow shovel, The thing on trains while you're at it too.

[stone cradle]

Yeah, if they had a reveal trailer like the pacific one, I think the reception would have been a whole lot better

[low timber]

Shame we never got the gadget version of the snake launcher in BFV.

[next onyx]

Oh the danger noodles?

That would been cool.

[low timber]

And the LAD LMG, OR the signal jammer!

[slim quiver]

Think about what we could have got in the expansion for BFV if people just could handle seeing girls and Germans in the pacific and Japanese in the European theater

We could have got Russians

Maybe more

A Stalingrad map

So much potential just to eased out the window

[next onyx]

This gives a good laugh though, You can store anything on the back!

[dapper berry]

I mean the devs kinda fucked up too

[low timber]

The signal jammer could’ve been so useful, like if enemies are in its range they can’t hear any radio communications like

we have lost objective Apples
Or use squad callings. And maybe even one not so realistic of blocking flare spotting.

[slim quiver]

BFV launched in a bad state and it has its issues no doubt. But the community definitely turned into the biggest wave of hypocrites ever

[next onyx]

Yeah that would have definitely got them Marse.

I can see the use for that.

[slim quiver]

They went from hating the game to loving how mechanically advanced it was for the BF series

[next onyx]

Or hell, Maybe make it so that you can't see spots.

[dapper berry]

The devs also continuously pushed core gunplay changes to attract a more casual playerbase

[next onyx]

The two TTK changes were horrid.

[low timber]

Tbh, I’ve always wanted a jammer gadget in BF after BO1, and it wasn’t even that useful in that CoD.

[stone cradle]

They've done that for alot of the BF games, such as BF4 lol

[slim quiver]

They reverted those changes to be fair

[dapper berry]

Exactly

[slim quiver]

But yes I agree

[next onyx]

The constant crashing and bugs we got, The lack of content.

[slim quiver]

The ttk changes were a bad move

But it was reverted

[next onyx]

Honestly what's more annoying it was done again when it was obvious nobody wanted them.

[slim quiver]

Yes they have

BF4 tho sold 13-14 million copies

[next onyx]

Hey it had a use at least!

[slim quiver]

Despite being broken for a year

[next onyx]

As minor as it is!

[low timber]

Higher ups

[next onyx]

Hey at least we can say this far there hasn't been a TTK patch.

Yet.

Oh I'm gonna fucking jinx it aren't I.

[low timber]

Usually put it down in the middle of that one round building in some snowy map.

[slim quiver]

Either way BFV could have been probably the best BF of all time for me. Right now it already is in terms of how much fun I had. But it could have been even better

[dapper berry]

Yeah BFV was the best infantry state, but i don't think it's fair to blame its abandonment solely on some vocal Gamers™️

[next onyx]

Summit?

[slim quiver]

It wasn’t just some

[stone cradle]

Why would there be one? V isnt given any support anymore, hackers and cheaters roam around and EA doesn't care in the slightest

[next onyx]

I mean for 2042.

[low timber]

Can’t really remember BO1 maps names, been so long

[next onyx]

Yeah fair enough.

I can only remember a select few.

[stone cradle]

I even encountered an aimbot in 2042 and checked on him and he still roams free, EA games just have horrible anticheat.

[low timber]

But a Jammer gadget/specialist could work in 2042 imo, also didn’t Hardline have a jammer?

[slim quiver]

It was more than “some”

[next onyx]

Uh if I remember it was handheld and it would disable things like tripmines.

[slim quiver]

The pre orders were being cancelled after the “don’t like it, don’t buy it”

[low timber]

Yeah, the small black box

[next onyx]

There weren't anything that'd block out the minimap as far as I remember.

[low timber]

Nokia 3310

[stone cradle]

Then 2019 came and alot of people just moved on with MW19

[next onyx]

There are so many gadgets in hardline I can't remember them all haha.

[low timber]

Loved Hardlines Gadget variety

[next onyx]

I loved how in hardline there were class specific gadgets that were really powerful, But then there were all kit like the gas mask, etc.

It was incredible.

[low timber]

The sabotage was great fun. There’s even videos of people sabotaging moving vehicles

[next onyx]

I'd often just go operator with a med kit and gas mask cause why not.

I loved sabotaging the MCC's. So they try to run away and it's a free MULTIKILL.

[stone cradle]

Hardline was such a damn fun game, didn't deserve the hate it got. It was clearly marketed as a spinoff, also, rip visceral