battlefield-2042

[terse valve]

Players pushing the objective? Unheard of. Just snipe from your spawn 800 meters away. Clearly the meta. End the game 0-2.

[pallid acorn]

i got 7 captures in my last game and was first in that category and they showed a guy with 2 vehicles destroyed

[terse valve]

THANK YOU! I had a game with 2,000 vehicle repairs. Dude got showed for like 8 resuplies.

[pallid acorn]

i swear the mvp just doesn’t work lmao

[terse valve]

MVP thing is just dumb.

[copper fulcrum]

It's just the highlights page from BF1 but they show the character and customization

[terse valve]

And a cringy one-liner.*

[next onyx]

The one liners aren't that bad.

It's easy to tune out.

[terse valve]

ANGEL DOES IT AGAIN YAY!

[pallid acorn]

apart from angel

[copper fulcrum]

I'd say the Outstanding Performance page is better than the Highlights page

[velvet sand]

Oh man, the team/squad highlight choices are always so hilarious. You got 50+ kills that round? Better highlight the 10 healing you did!

[next onyx]

Going through thousands of end of round screens you kinda stop caring.

Even angel isn't that bad.

[copper fulcrum]

Literally just pull up the scoreboard.

[velvet sand]

PC master race on the end of round lines, can just alt-tab out and game audio is muted for the whole end of round sequence : D

[terse valve]

Must be nice.

[copper fulcrum]

TVs have mute buttons, headsets have audio sliders

[velvet sand]

? I'm memin on how bad the system for choosing individual highlights is in the squad screen at the end of the round. Like, it's so pointless/bad it's honestly hilarious.

[terse valve]

It doesn't actually even bother me. I just hate the downtime.

[next onyx]

Yeah wish we could leave without hard closing.

[terse valve]

1 LMG kill (spawned in with an LMG by mistake and switched to K30 the rest of the game.)*

[arctic grove]

I hate Tank campers

[pallid acorn]

i have taken an oath to just wipe out bolte campers

[terse valve]

The only thing worse than a tank camper is a sniper HQ camping and getting like 2 kills from 900+ meters.

Especially when their in your squad and you can't boot them.

[next onyx]

C5 helps with that a lot yoma! If you have an assault rifle with an ap grenade launcher give it a go too.

They do a little bit under half of the m5 I think?

They're really helpful.

[empty patrol]

Hello

[pallid acorn]

ik i just float over with sundance and they drop like flies

[next onyx]

A submachine gun with a grenade launcher would be nice though.

Considering the mobility they offer they're definitely work it.

[terse valve]

Yeah, kinda weird that we've never gotten a grenade launcher outside of rifles.

[arctic grove]

bolte is a pile of trash

[next onyx]

I mean it's kinda normal. Assault rifles are meant for it. Subbies not.

[empty patrol]

I don't like the game guys

[pallid acorn]

i only camp with the tow on it because i cant aim for shit moving

[next onyx]

If there were something like a modern mp5 with a grenade launcher that could arm ap grenades it would be popular.

[pallid acorn]

my progress on the condor got reset earlier

like it was just 0

[next onyx]

That's awful.

[velvet sand]

Huh, new BF2042 survey apparently going out to some folks over email and it's only two questions.

[next onyx]

Desync maybe?

What's this apparent email?

[velvet sand]

I didn't get one so I only have a picture from Reddit - https://i.redd.it/af7k9ltjaaz81.jpg

[empty patrol]

I really hope it's asking if we want a refund

[next onyx]

Yeah store policy dude.

[glad mist]

Be heard by the developers!!!!!!

Please keep playing our game please please!!!!!

[low timber]

I think the heavy suppressors stats are flipped

[next onyx]

What you mean Marse?

[pallid acorn]

what like the massive one on the mp9?

[low timber]

On Type 4 Heavy suppressor it says:
Firepower -8
Range -5
And on PB Heavy suppressor it the opposite, but when I checked and compared in Sym.gg it says Type 4 has more damage per bullet vs. PB Heavy.

But PB heavy has better velocity per bullet

[next onyx]

Weird.

Do they still reduce damage?

[low timber]

Yes

[next onyx]

Hmm.

[terse valve]

I meant a grenade launcher as a gadget. Like extra damage to infantry and less damage to armour.

[next onyx]

There's HE for that very reason.

AP is the opposite.

[karmic cobalt]

AP means anti peoples bro smh

[terse valve]

I don't really have an investment either way. K30 is better than any explosive.

[low timber]

No heavy suppressor dmg 26
Type 4 dmg 23
PB dmg 22

[next onyx]

Armour piercing.

[karmic cobalt]

Attack people

[pallid acorn]

mp9 is the best rn imo

[next onyx]

Jesus that damage reduction.

I thought they no longer did that. But nah.

[low timber]

Light suppressors got that change

[next onyx]

Thought it was just a dual range and velocity decrease.

Ye.

I'm glad for that.

Well back to no heavy suppressor. We just keep on the light suppressor.

[velvet sand]

Huh, email survey is apparently pretty expansive and has lots of questions about game modes/specialists...did DICE kill the "feedback loops" and just move to email? I WANT A SURVEY EMAIL : |

[low timber]

I’ll keep the heavy with subsonic

[arctic grove]

Does anyone think the core feedback hub is a waste of time? and they should put all resources to the new game? I feel like it's purely just a legal protection against getting sued

[fiery shoal]

not getting sued sounds like a good use of time...

[karmic cobalt]

They’re too far in to just make a new game, it’d be much better if they actually just made big changes to what we have

[arctic grove]

Uhhhh except not bc they've literally already stated they're working on the next one

[pallid acorn]

and the guys who paid £90 for the game (couldnt be me) would be annoyed

[next onyx]

That's game dev. They're working on concept art and floating ideas around.

[pallid acorn]

they were working on 2042 when 5 had live service

[next onyx]

They're not actually diverting resources to it.

[karmic cobalt]

They start brainstorming ideas and whatnot for the next game as soon as a game releases duh, but they’re not putting all their attention to the next game bruh. That’s just game development

[arctic grove]

how'd that turn out

[next onyx]

I dunno, Point is that they work on concept arts and as chicken said, brainstorm the game before they actually start working on it.

[karmic cobalt]

Yeah it’d be a terrible idea to sell people an unfinished game then never finish it. People that say they should just drop this game really don’t know what they’re on about

[fiery shoal]

thats literally normal practice for large studios that put out a franchise title

[arctic grove]

Honestly it's just very evident that this game was gonna be hazard zone only. Explains the overly large maps, and everything tbh. and last minute tried to make it work as a reg game.

Don't need to beat a dead horse just wish this game was all it could've been like everyone else lol

[karmic cobalt]

It feels more like a scrapped battle royale, hazard zone looks like a last minute thing idk what you’re talking about

[next onyx]

Fun thing that I learned.. Bf5 was apparently built off an early version of bf1s code. Which makes a lot of sense.

[arctic grove]

yeah royale/hazard zone

just a cluster f in summary lol no one main direction

[hidden sand]

It had to be given the timeframe. But It's also very likely why BFV was fairly stable at launch.

[next onyx]

Cause of the animations and general... skin? It's weird to say.

[arctic grove]

would rather have no HazardZone or Portal and a solid af Main game

[velvet sand]

Almost like a game with 3-4 studios working on it separately and no unified vision between them? : P

[arctic grove]

hahaha

[hidden sand]

A lot of BF1 UI was in early builds of BFV to, preferred it honestly.

[arctic grove]

They hired 4 studios on fiverr and then gave their tech team 3 days to integrate it all and called it 2042.

[hidden sand]

Why 2042 wasn't built off of BFV is something I'm really curious about.

[velvet sand]

IIRC there's a video with a bunch of developers talking about it and they needed new tools/tech to accomplish what they wanted, so something like 18 months was spent working on updating the engine.

[next onyx]

Literally completely new game.

They had to make something completely new with its upgraded engine.

[karmic cobalt]

They probably wanted to make an actually new, refreshing game. Bf1 and 5 felt kinda similar, and I imagine they wanted a really fresh modern battlefield. Plus if I remember right a bunch of their dev team was replaced so that probably contributed too

[next onyx]

It's why everything is different.

[hidden sand]

It wasn't updating the engine, the engine was already done. What they were doing was re-making everything from the ground up, apparently.

[arctic grove]

One of the most dissapointing things to me was the lack of destruction that was in the showcase but not game, and how it came out they had planned a bunch of other natural disasters like volacno's, tsunami's, etc, all to be scrapped for a tornado

[pallid acorn]

i wish the tornado did more

[hidden sand]

Doubt. Fairly certain they ran out of time to match the quality of past games.

[karmic cobalt]

Well that’s definitely part of it too lol

[arctic grove]

there was more levolution in bf4 then 2042 and that game is what like 8 years old

[hidden sand]

What I'm curious about is why scripts from BFV would be incompatible with this current version of frostbite, but it's unfortunate regardless

[arctic grove]

Imagine the next bf is built in unreal engine 5 ❤️

[next onyx]

Yeah no.

[arctic grove]

that was a joke lmao

[hidden sand]

Man if I see someone say "move to unreal" one more time I'm going to burst

[next onyx]

It's very hard to tell on the internet these days.

[karmic cobalt]

Bro they should make the next one on unity, that’d be really cool ngl

[hidden sand]

How to say you don't know anything about game engines without saying you don't know anything about game engine

[arctic grove]

make it with minecraft

[terse valve]

Do you reckon that Battlefield 2042 will ever go free to play with some content locked behind a pay wall?

[arctic grove]

unity game have never felt smooth or optimized to me

[karmic cobalt]

There’s this new engine called python, maybe they should check that out I’m learning rn and it’s really fun to use but you can do so much bro trust

[hidden sand]

Unity is a very capable engine, it's just never really been used in an AAA setting

[arctic grove]

heard that's good. Currently using the binary game engine

[next onyx]

Engines are often specifically built for games. One engine allows x soldier to grapple an osprey while another will allow you to send a building into space.

Foundation and all.

[velvet sand]

That hasn't been the case for Frostbite for like a decade though, since it's become the "everything engine" for EA.

[next onyx]

Which would be be event to behold.

[hidden sand]

I wonder if Frostbite uses C# because I remember seeing a .cs file in one of the Behind the scenes videos for one of the BF games

[next onyx]

Everything engine under their games yes.

[torpid vortex]

4.0 patch notes looks like a breakdown of an agile workplace took place and sending out a survey to figure out what is different about the product is where this is at.

[next onyx]

I would love to work on a game and see how it goes down to properly understand.

[pallid acorn]

did fallen order use frostbite

[next onyx]

I'm not sure but most probably.

[hidden sand]

Which might be why everything needed to be rebuilt for 2042, because of it being an EA engine rather than just BF like it was built for

Fallen order uses UE4

[next onyx]

Ah.

[pallid acorn]

apex and titanfall dont use frostbite i know that

they use source i think

[next onyx]

Oh yeah I think apex uses source or something?

[hidden sand]

They use a heavily modified version of source

[velvet sand]

UE, Respawn doesn't use Frostbite for any of their games.

[karmic cobalt]

I might be entirely wrong but I always thought frostbite was just their battlefield engine?

[velvet sand]

Which just saying it sure is a coincidence that the most productive studio producing high quality games at EA is also the only studio that doesn't use Frostbite...

[next onyx]

Ye it was. Starting from bad co 1 but its also been repurposed for others.

[velvet sand]

Though hey, maybe it's the Vince magic instead.

[hidden sand]

It was built off of the Portal 2 branch of Source to be specific, which is why it has the Portal 2 ping system

[arctic grove]

Can't wait For EA Sports Battlefield For Speed Madden FIFA 2027 - where they combine all games into one

[pallid acorn]

ultra game

[velvet sand]

You forgot Sims and Apex, how dare.

[arctic grove]

i want the new nfs to be like most wanted 2012

that game was so fun. could have like 20 cops chasing and you and highest heat sent like 3 fbi trucks after you

[velvet sand]

https://preview.redd.it/mvnwcvf3gaz81.jpg?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f9d22a1ec724540045ca22717b919f3ba3efad18

eyo, DICE/Ripple thinking of adding proper map edit tools to Portal.

[hidden sand]

Frostbite was only ever difficult to use for studios using it to make non-fps games. It was built for BF specifically, so when games like Fifa, Anthem, ME, etc came along to use it, they had a far more difficult time. This is not on the engine, it's at the fault of the studios insisting they use it. No, it wasn't EA forcing them to either.

Frostbite being notoriously difficult is missinfo, that was also taken out of context.

[velvet sand]

Taht'd be amazing, then players could fix DICE's maps for them.

[velvet sand]

The studios didn't "insist" they use it...it's not mandatory, but I'm inclined to believe it's a, "You use this engine, or the licensing costs for an external engine comes out of the budget for your game." deal where it's simply strongly encouraged. Because there's no reason all their studios would be using and fighting against the engine otherwise.

EA has made a big push to make Frostbite their "everything in-house engine" over the years.

[hidden sand]

No, Bioware is an example of the studio insisting they use it. Which is why MEA had horrid development. It was not EA encouraging them to, they did it themselves. If this was the case, Respawn games would be on frostbite.

[velvet sand]

I mean...at some point you'd think EA would tell their studios to stop using it for non-shooters if it's so bad? I'm not saying EA is forcing it, I'm saying EA strongly encourages it. And Vince maybe knew it was better to eat the losses out of the budget to set their titles up for more success.

[hidden sand]

Except, why would frostbite cause less success for FPS and Thirdperson games if the engine itself is great? Your argument comes down to something that isn't true.

[velvet sand]

Because, IMO, at this point the engine isn't great at all. Hence the extensive reporting of almost every other team having problems with it, and hence why everything in 2042 seems to take forever for DICE to complete.

[glad mist]

Unity barely runs Tarkov reasonable

ain't no way there will be a BF game on that engine any time soon

[velvet sand]

It once was, it used to be when it was more focused. But it's lost that over the years as it grew and expanded to work on everything from sports titles to bigger open world racing games to Plants vs. Zombies third person shooters.

[pallid acorn]

bf on unity will be like 3 fps

[hidden sand]

Ah, so you're ignoring the fact that developers called it difficult to work with because it was built for BF and not the games they were making. There is literally nothing to suggest its "not great at all".

[glad mist]

something like a BF3 reskin it could prolly run sorta well cause textures and shit there are relatively low res and not as extensive as im BF4 or 1

[velvet sand]

Difficult to work with because it's reportedly prone to breaking nowadays and the tools are very finicky. That's not just a "other genres of games" problem, that's an engine problem.

[hidden sand]

Where are you getting that from?

[velvet sand]

There are bunch of reports on this, but one focusing a bit more on the non-shooter stuff (but touches on problems that are more general) is this - https://www.usgamer.net/articles/ea-frostbite-engine-history-bioware-ea-sports

[hidden sand]

Nearly that entire article is explaining how Bioware themselves chose frostbite, and the struggles that came with it were because of it being primarily built for BF, not other games.

[arctic grove]

[arctic grove]

I see a future where we pay Dice to let us use their tools and make the game for them.

[pallid acorn]

yeah this is a conversation and a half

[empty patrol]

Pooing rn

[cyan trout]

Portal-ish

[hidden sand]

The idea that frostbite is a bad engine in general is miss information, plain and simple. You wouldn't use an RPG Maker to make an FPS game. Does that make the RPG maker bad? No, it doesn't.

[arctic grove]

Modern gaming

[hidden sand]

Battlefield 1, Mirrors Edge, Battlefront 2015 and 2017, BFV, wouldn't have been so stable at their launches if this were the case. It would show in every release.

[chilly jacinth]

and they all display the same type of bugs that have been around forever in Frostbite

[next onyx]

Lines being played from the opposite faction.

To be fair though that bug is extremely rare.

Used to get it a bit on hardline but in 5 only gotten it four times?

And frictionless man. But he hasn't been spotted for years...

[hidden sand]

Frictionless man?

[next onyx]

A rare creature that would appear crouched facing one specific direction. Sliding across the ground.

[hidden sand]

Ah, I had a feeling that's what you were talking about lmao

I recently saw that in SWBF2, actually
I was super surprised

[next onyx]

https://youtu.be/q4humzXx0Fg

[hidden sand]

Legacy bugs usually stim from old game code, not the engine itself

[next onyx]

To be fair there are only two legacy bugs I think of and that's them.

[hidden sand]

The one I encounter the most is the frozen death

[next onyx]

?

[hidden sand]

Sometimes when you die, the ragdoll would fail and your model would freeze in place from your last position and pose

This goes as far back as BC2

It's very frequent in SWBF2 specifically

[hot bronze]

its annoying too. Ill be shooting at ppl that are already dead

[next onyx]

Odd.

[mental cave]

thats not even rare in 2042

that happens like every game lol

[hot bronze]

I havent seen it much lately but It was happening to me very often

[hidden sand]

The fact Ripple is asking about a level editor in the survey has me excited for the future of portal

[next onyx]

I've had my pose jitter and go to place but nah.

[forest snow]

Did anyone else just get a survey from EA about battlefield?

[hidden sand]

The game can be saved with a level editor, holy shit if they allow us to make our own maps

[pallid acorn]

no but everyone is recently

[mental cave]

it'll probably be on the same level as the gta5 gamemode creation

[forest snow]

Some somewhat worrying questions in there

[pallid acorn]

like what

[forest snow]

Was mostly about portal and what kind of content would you like in the future.

Like more legacy or brand new.

[frozen ember]

hi! for some reason my weekly missions dont show up on the lobby any help?

[next onyx]

Portal maps to conquest 64 would be great.

Oh that's a known bug. Should be fixed in the next update rod.

[frozen ember]

alr thanks!

[hidden sand]

Ah damn, I cant send the screenshot but here is the post showcasing the question
https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/uoycwl/some_good_questions_in_the_recent_survey/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

[velvet sand]

Hoping someone posts all the questions from the survey somewhere for those of us that didn't get it.

[forest snow]

was asking about if we would like more freedom in portal about being able to move flags and mcoms on maps and add cover etc

[hot bronze]

correct responce to that question

[hidden sand]

It's actually pretty specific, they may already have a level editor in the works

[next onyx]

Add cover sounds a bit like forge.

[forest snow]

but one of the questions was how would you feel if we gave you that freedom to do that but added no new content to portal.

[mental cave]

yea sounds like the gta5 map creator

[velvet sand]

That sounds like a bit of a devil's bargain.

[hidden sand]

Way, is it possible I can get my regular role back? I used to have it but then I left the server for a good bit

[mental cave]

which isn't bad, I just hope they don't have a build limit on how much stuff you can place

[forest snow]

sounds like there are willing to just abandon portal

[hidden sand]

Can the gta5 map creatir edit terrain?

[mental cave]

don't think so

[hot bronze]

no it cant

[velvet sand]

Wild that the choice is, "Do you want Portal to live up to the promised potential in terms of what you can do while we abandon it, or not."

[hidden sand]

That's the important distinction. To me, this sounds like a genuine level editor that you would need a PC for.

[forest snow]

was shocked to see the as a question.

[hot bronze]

I doubt they would do that as alot of the map had textures and lighting baked in.

[hidden sand]

I would be okay with this. If they gave us the tools, we could do it ourselves.

[forest snow]

lot of questions about specialists to

[next onyx]

It's automatic so I have no power.

[forest snow]

but no new content for portal? isnt worth it

[velvet sand]

I WANT A SURVEY : | : |

[next onyx]

I just want open feedback like we had here about specialists.

[hot bronze]

Dang, I didnt get the survey

[velvet sand]

really not super excited that the survey is seemingly only going out to "some" folks.

[mental cave]

I dont think you need a pc to do planet coaster type map editing anymore which if they take the planet coaster route. that'll be insane lol

[next onyx]

Not that. I mean like we had with maps.

That was a really good experience.

[velvet sand]

Increasingly thinking they're abandoning the "feedback loop" : /

[hidden sand]

Hence, we could add the content ourselves with the tools rather than them make it. It is way more beneficial to improve the tools to their limits than focus on content.

[hot bronze]

It may just be due to how many they can go through. most surveys only go to a fraction of the target group

[next onyx]

Might be just me but I don't care any more. Just can't get amped up.

[velvet sand]

I get that but like...the active playerbase ain't that big, so it should be easy to fire it off to all active accounts at least : |

[next onyx]

It's probably a weird side thing.

I reckon they'd plan on doing it again when we experience the map changes and or they have more to show us.

[hidden sand]

I would rather have a proper level editor tbh. That would have severe restrictions in place, instead of the full control a genuine level editor would give you.

[tiny imp]

Friday Night Battlefield Yaoo

[hot bronze]

honestly a system like forge would be more then great

[forest snow]

the survey basically went 1. the game and its current state how do you find it. 2. how to you feel about the weapon balance and specialist balance. 3. what do you think of the maps in base game and portal. 4. what kind of content would you like in portal. 5. here are some new ideas for game modes what do you think of them. 6. adding more freedom or new content. 7. what kind of new content would you like to see?

[next onyx]

Halo forge esque level editing go brr.

[hidden sand]

More freedom >>>>>> content

[forest snow]

almost comes across they dont know what to do ha

[next onyx]

I'd ask for more portal maps if we could play them in all out warfare.

[pallid acorn]

has anyone noticed that the specialists have unique dialogue with other specialists

[hidden sand]

No? These questions absolutely should be asked by them

[next onyx]

I've heard that yoma.

[velvet sand]

"Have faith, fam." "Way ahead of schedule."

[forest snow]

the game modes they mentioned in there sound odd but fun ha

[hidden sand]

Ripple Effect is DICE L.A., I have faith in them, personally

[velvet sand]

Maybe they should have actually listened to the feedback from the technical tests and not ignored/rejected it all.

[pallid acorn]

yeah i had my paik say get up boris to (surprisingly) boris

[hot bronze]

they dont really they have to get the community wants bc they cant fail anymore. If they start adding things no one asked for they will hurt themselfs even more

[forest snow]

at this point just add something please!

[hot bronze]

They only confirmed new content wont be till june/july. though these last few updates have been a good start

[forest snow]

yea the game is crying out for something new

[next onyx]

Mackay is really good friends with Casper as I've heard or something.

[hot bronze]

Very true

[next onyx]

Oh yeah Mackay kinda sounds like he's gonna cry when he squad revives.

[forest snow]

if the content is good the players will come back

[pallid acorn]

mackay does a lot of screaming

[next onyx]

He's a lot of fun.

Even if it's reused. There's a lot of content to be reused in all out warfare.

[hot bronze]

Ya thats probably why they need surveys and feedback loops as they have to kill it in season one

[next onyx]

I'd love to being the Xm8, m60 and the AS VAL in since they're the most unique weapons you can bring in.

[forest snow]

but surely its a bit late to start going off all the feedback from that now? surely its for the next few seasons after 1

[hot bronze]

well ya we know that the last feedback loop will be spread across seasons as they are only focusing on two map updates in season 1.

[hidden sand]

Does anyone have a link to the Portal Discord?

[hot bronze]

maybe post in the portal channel

[hidden sand]

Ah, I forgot there was one

[hot bronze]

I got you

[hidden sand]

Rip no invite there

[hot bronze]

I do like the changes they have shown off for the two maps so far

[velvet sand]

I wish DICE would post a link to the survey or something, still really bummed I didn't get one : (

[tiny imp]

#portal

[hot bronze]

?? yes that is a place

[tiny imp]

I was to late my bad

[thorny orchid]

do u only get a survey if u played the game recently?

[pallid acorn]

i dont think

i played a couple hours ago and still haven’t got one

[velvet sand]

Seems randomly sent out. I didn't get one and I still play at least once a week.

[hot bronze]

they probably randomly selected 10-20% of active users

[thorny orchid]

what rank are you guys?

[pallid acorn]

94

[thorny orchid]

hmm

[hot bronze]

S020

[velvet sand]

Like...80somthing?

[thorny orchid]

yeah probably random then

[severe carbon]

S025

I didnt get a survey, and play about every day

[thorny orchid]

remember when they gave out the technical test randomly? lmao

idk why they did something like that 💀

gave people who don't even play Battlefield an alpha

[pallid acorn]

i got access to that but on my pc

which plays far cry 3 like im actually in 2012

[thorny orchid]

lmao

[velvet sand]

Apparently they still do, it's just all NDA'd.

[thorny orchid]

lmao 🤣

[wide shore]

I wrote some essays in that survey

[hidden sand]

How'd you feel about the level editor question?

[wide shore]

I mean, they did harp a lot on “do you like to make stuff”

I just assumed it was about portal.

I didn’t pay a lot of attention to the portal stuff honestly. I wrote a lot about the main game questions

[hidden sand]

Rip

I hope a lot of people are agreeing a level editor should be added lol
It would be an absolute gamechanger, the game could genuinely be fixed with it alongside proper development

[pine roost]

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[hidden sand]

Community made content can take a game so, so far

[edgy oriole]

Just filled out a survey for 2042

Everyone check your emails to see if you got one

[pallid acorn]

where is my survey :(

[soft swallow]

What is the key to deactivate / activate the optics with the hybrid maul 1,5-3X?

[wide shore]

I harped on about lack of AOW server browser, getting kicked to the menu after every game, no assist counts as kill, lack of content

[wide shore]

Whatever your melee button is by default I think

[pine roost]

If I could plan this before they came out I would have had so much more to say

[velvet sand]

It can, it just needs to be properly supported by the developer (culling the garbage creations and promoting the higher quality ones with more visibility). MMO's have tried this with limited tools to create custom missions/dungeons, but it's always faceplanted since the developer never actively curates them and it just resulted in boring XP farms (kinda like Porta. 1.0)

[edgy oriole]

Aim sights and press x or f I think.

Or v * not v because that changes fire rate I think.

[soft swallow]

So F?

[soft swallow]

Idunno I tried V and X but not F

[hexed mango]

it’s f

[wise yew]

F

[wide shore]

Possibly? I play on console, and by default it’s right stick in. Which is by default, melee

[hidden sand]

The description of their supposed Spatial editor wasn't really limited sounding. It was a full blown Level Editor, and that would succeed no matter what.
The Refractor Era of BF had such a huge modding community because of this.

[soft swallow]

Mh I'm gonna try this key on a solo

[wide shore]

Shame that switching to right thumbstick crouch fucks hybrid sights.

[hidden sand]

I completely trust Ripple Effect to be able to handle adding a proper level editor, given it's DICE L.A.

[wide shore]

I also whined on the survey about Series X performance.

Cause it’s actually dreadful

[velvet sand]

That's cool. But I'm getting more at the fact that simply giving players the tools to make really good maps won't result in those really good maps actually being seen unless Ripple or DICE actively curates them to promote good quality maps. The biggest challenge in UGC ecosystems like this concept is visibility, getting the good content in front of other players so they can actually play it.

[wide shore]

This kind of framerate should not be happening.

[soft swallow]

Ok F it works, thx

[velvet sand]

STill crazy to me to see stutters like that on current gen with their better CPU's and SSD's.

[hidden sand]

It's not as much of a challenge as you make it out to be. Something like the Workshop on Steam would easily solve this problem.

[wide shore]

AFAIK, it’s ONLY the series X. This kinda stutter doesn’t happen on PS5 or even the Series S

[hidden sand]

Allowing users to upload their map files anywhere would work too. They would become noticed through youtube, naturally. Content Creators would quickly jump on to showcasing user-made levels.

[velvet sand]

It can be. I'm thinking back to historical examples in MMO's (EQ2 had a dungeon creator, STO had a mission creator, Neverwinter had a dungeon/mission creator) but all those attempts failed because the most "organically popular" content in each ended up being the equivilent of XP farms in BF.

All thos egames ended up removing the UGC tools in part because they weren't actually resulting in good content players liked, but also longterm problems keeping those systems running while working on the rest of the game.

[wide shore]

The section in the survey about the custom portal gamemodes felt, out of place to me

[velvet sand]

Grenade golf? : 3

[wide shore]

They seemed fun. But like, not really the time, eh?

[hidden sand]

Not exactly comparable, Level Design is a different ballpark to dungeon creation for MMOs.

[pulsar olive]

Can anyone tell me the tasks for the weekly challenges
cant see it ingame

[wide shore]

15 Revives
50 Resupplies
3,000 damage with guns/vehicles

[pulsar olive]

Thank you so much @wide shore

[wide shore]

[velvet sand]

Oh yeah, it's hardly a 1:1 comparison. But there are still common themes that play out, but in any content ecosystem visibility is king. If the good quality content isn't being placed in front of players or somehow extremely easy to find (i.e. requiring active curation or some kind of super-algorithm that I don't even know how it'd work). Simply sorting by popularity isn't a good fix for it : /

[hidden sand]

I'm sure they'd know to showcase popular content anyhow.

Man if we get a full blown level editor my purchase will finally be worth it, would be so sick to have.

[velvet sand]

That's a level of trust I don't have right now given how Portal hasn't exactly been crushing it since launch : |

[hidden sand]

My trust comes from the fact Ripple Effect is DICE L.A., they've never performed the way DICE Sweden has.

[velvet sand]

Things like the zombie farm mode making it out into the wild make me question that a bit. Portal hasn't been as bad as AOW, but it's not exactly been super exciting either, especially in terms of featured modes IMO (but that's likely just a me thing since many of the modes like gungame don't remotely appeal to me)

[hidden sand]

I hope they're in full production mode and that's why it's been so quiet. Ripple Effect doesn't bear the responsibility DICE Sweden do, so they can accomplish a lot more in the time they've had.

[velvet sand]

Yeah, we haven't heard anything from/about Ripple yet so I hope they're just hard at work.

Reading through all the survey questions (posted in the forums) it almost feels like DICE is having a "reset" and scrapping whatever plans they had to start from scratch with planning again. It'd at least explain why they've basically stopped communicating about anything.

[pine roost]

but with season 1 coming soon is there a chance they could potentially delay it again to actually go ahead with these plans?

[velvet sand]

/shrugs who knows.

[hidden sand]

The question about freedom over content was a bad thing to ask.
People will naturally jump to content because they're not going to think in the moment about the things that would come out of having more freedom.

[velvet sand]

I imagine they're trying to find out how much of the community actually really wants to focus on creation vs. just play stuff that's made for them. It seems a fair question if they're basically deciding whether AOW becomes the "main mode" or Portal becomes the "main mode".

[hidden sand]

The problem with that is the creation community will naturally be smaller. That's always how it is, yet that doesn't mean it isn't worth it.

[wooden wigeon]

Okay someone please make Battlefield WW3, as good as Bf1 and Bf5

[velvet sand]

Totally, but they have to prioritize resources on what they think will have the most bang for their "buck".

[hidden sand]

Community made content would objectively be smarter money-wise and I hope they realize that.

[pine roost]

it would at

[velvet sand]

That's assuming they can have enough people making good content, and that they can create a system that actually gets the content in front of ye-average player who doesn't want to go looking for it.

[hidden sand]

There'll be enough. There are people who jump over to games they don't even play because of modding tools that are available from them.

Man, the refractor level editor is seriously dated though lol

[velvet sand]

I'm not so confident, but I guess we'll see what's up in a few months either way.

Just hope this means DICE comes out of their shell sooner rather than later.

[hidden sand]

Naturally, because BF2 came out in 2005
But I tried using it a bit ago, it's a bit messy but it's still usable

Hopefully they do

[pine roost]

I'd love to actually see a proper roadmap

[velvet sand]

I think CM's have pretty much indicated that's never going to happen : /

[pine roost]

so far it seems like a bunch of ideas are being thrown around, but I have no clue what is actually going on

[hidden sand]

DICE is flat incapable of talking about things that are unfinished, even when that should be alright to do

All they need to do is place multiple warnings that it's unfinished, not reflective of future content, etc

There is no genuine reason to be this quiet about things unless they have absolutely nothing at all

[velvet sand]

"This is a pre-alpha roadmap for our roadmap."

[pine roost]

technical playtest for the roadmap XD

'if you clip through the road, that's intended'

[hidden sand]

https://youtu.be/yAXLkdbSiVg?t=3079

If Motive is able to showcase their work inside of Frostbite, surely DICE could too

[velvet sand]

Seen this a lot, DICE is probably pretty unhappy that Motive is doing this and making them look bad in comparison : |

[hidden sand]

This is a really cool stream though, we've never gotten this close of a look at frostbite and it's functionality

[pine roost]

that's what frostbite looks like? neat

[velvet sand]

But it speaks to a level of trust/confidence Motive have in their development pipeline (these kinds of videos are still totally staged) and the trust they're extending to the community.

[hidden sand]

They're staged, but they're not holding too far back on what they're willing to show. I was super surprised to see debug rooms.
Good for them for being so willing to share their development process to the community.

[velvet sand]

I'm not super duper into Dead Space but I do want to give the whole video a watch.

[hidden sand]

If only Frostbite was open to the public the way UE is.

[velvet sand]

Them proprietary engines.

[hidden sand]

They could make so much money from licensing it to developers who strive to make paid games with it.
Having it free for indie developers attempting to learn.

Essentially what UE does.

[velvet sand]

I dunno if it would even be very desirable for licensing. Engine licensing is weird, IIRC id was planning on licensing idTech for a while but never pulled the trigger so it remains in-house. Not too many big licensed engines nowadays, UE, CryEngine (lol), and Unity are the biggest ones. But most of the big publishers have their own engines (DICe has Frostbite, Ubi has like 3-4 engines, Activision/Blizz have multiple in-house engines).

[hidden sand]

I don't see why not tbh.

[velvet sand]

There are a few others like LumberYard (CryEngine fork) and SpatialOS/Hero Engine (MMO engines that never took off and are barely used).

Well...we know it's a pain to work with - at least with non-shooter titles - which really limits its appeal/market reach.

[hidden sand]

That's changed over the years though, because now it's being designed for other types of video games.

Not to mention, it could be developed further as time goes on to be more stable for different types of games.

[velvet sand]

Didn't we just go over this? >.>

EA has spent enourmous resources on the engine to expand its capabilities to work on other types of games and it clearly works - RPG's are built on it, sports titles are built on it, racing games, space dogfighting games etc. But the reporting on that is what I linked earlier - that those teams struggle to deal with a lot of the engine's quirks and challenges.

[hidden sand]

But that was early on, before those proper changes to the engine happened.

[stark wedge]

https://youtu.be/Dpa3wB2hz80 Made a thing. Enjoy this weeks experiences. 🙂

[velvet sand]

When did the "proper changes" happen?

[hidden sand]

Over time...? Since they've begun using it for other projects outside of Battlefield. I think it's fair to assume the frostbite team immediately went on to expand the engine as these changes began.

[velvet sand]

So...a guess : P because BW - for example, has to build in RPG functionality they wanted, and for some silly reason decided to scrap and rebuild that functionality 2 more times (built for DA4, scrapped/rebuilt for ME:A, scrapped/rebuilt for Anthem) so it doesn't seem like it's a core part of the engines functionality.

thankfully they're not scrapping their work from Anthem for DA4

[hidden sand]

Ah but you're guessing too. There's nothing to suggest the engine is still as bad as it was for other games, especially given that Dead Space is using it and they're confident in showing it off.

[velvet sand]

It's not the first time in-dvelopment footage for Frostbite has been shown off, you can stage anything with enough time and planning : P But my take is more "we haven't seen evidence of these improvements" vs. "surely they've happened by now"

[hidden sand]

Sure, but BF2042 is proof imo. The current version of frostbite required they build things from the ground up, suggesting that major overhauls happened to make the engine more capable.

[velvet sand]

Proof of what though? Not any of the expanded elments for sports games or other genres. And not even really of huge improvements for Frostbite given that we're still tons of persistent bugs and problems plus the continue hilariously wonky physics etc.

[hidden sand]

Bugs are on bad code, not the engine lol.

[velvet sand]

They talked up spending tons of time updating it and I'm sure it improved the engine for what they wanted it to do for 2042 specifically.

[torpid vortex]

in all my experience it is that people do what people do; and having Zampella at the creative control head is essentially a lights out on battlefield's identity. They've already introduced gimmicky specialist avatars and are zealously trying to hammer it in that they help squad play. The only thing squad play about anything specialist is Mackey/Sundance squad beacons, Angel switch kit calldowns, and mechanically Irish or maybe even 1v1 dozer walls... to win a game. Everything else is pretty redundant mechanically. Nothing wrong with preferential arctic camo for no discernable reason and glocks and medical glocks and soviet hardware being better equipped to do everything... whatever. but battlefield has been a NA game featuring US military and expeditionary units and they should do the community some justice that actually played the game when it was battlefield. Portal is not a replacement for mod tools that made something like Squad or PR for milsim people, same community who think dropping a pack isn't actually a thing. They could have given the community mod tools and did a lot less portal showcasing with a lot more of an affect. They do 10 years of world war 1 and 2 re-enactment and now everyone wants to see lever action steam punk weapons, it's a pretty bad self-feeding loop now.

All this Frostbite terminology is simply that now, it is hardly proprietary, it's not interesting because artists can work in other content pipelines a lot more gracefully now.

TL;DR - Titanfall was never really a playable game. Call of Duty was a better counter-strike. Anthem and all the above isn't resume credentials for a Battlefield creative control head. The developers didn't even make an oriented camera missile like it should have been done before the person got up from the computer.

[mental cave]

hi

wow that's an essay

[velvet sand]

Vince isn't responsible for current-Battlefield, and his position is more managerial than anything else. He doesn't have time to lead design meetings running the BF franchise and Ripple and Respawn. He's there to get better people in place and institute improved processes.

[hidden sand]

You're talking as if you're experienced with Frostbite which is kind of odd. You can't know the improvements made and neither can I. However to me, the engine sounds like it's become more of a base for multiple types of games, less than one for Battlefield given 2042s situation. Also, their own words for how they've expanded upon it and improved it.

[velvet sand]

Vince like 5 full-time jobs.

[hidden sand]

They have no real reason to lie about Frostbite because they're not licensing it to other studios, either.
They could just say nothing about it at all, so I trust them when they talk up the engine.

[velvet sand]

Frostbite has a pretty bad reputation, deserved or not, so there's absolutely reasons to focus on talkig up the tech.

[hidden sand]

It has a bad reputation for something it has improved and developed upon, so.

[velvet sand]

According to DICE, who have a vested interest in rehabbing the reputation/image of their premier in-house engine that was once held in extremely high regard. Yes.

[hidden sand]

What did Frostbite do to you man?

Nah just kidding, but I'm more inclined to believe them knowing more of their studios are using it so I'll end this here

[velvet sand]

TLDR: I come from a place of fundamentally not trusting either DICE or EA since they've spun so much bullshit over the years (especially recently) that I've lost any trust I once had.

Especially since I think EA would in no way, shape, or form turn down piles of money for licensing their engine out broadly.

That's just free real estate.

[hidden sand]

To be fair they're not exactly intelligent with some of their decisions, so, there's that.

Albeit they're hands off with their studios now so who knows.

[velvet sand]

That's been nice actually, fewer studios to the EA graveyard (RIP Visceral), but studios are also left to sink or swim on their own (BioWare)

[hidden sand]

The fact they're suggesting a level editor says a lot though. They may be more willing to hand out frostbite related things now.

I just think it's interesting that this kind of proves EA was never really the big reason some of these games turned out so bad

They play their part in it by not giving more time, but still

Oh, frostbite having it's own blueprint system is fucking sick as well

Really cool that they showed that off

[tame vine]

Apparently there's a survey going on for the game? Is there a link for it?

[simple merlin]

Just did the survey. You can tell they know the issues in the game by the question asked ahahaha

[wide shore]

It is emailed to players

If you didn’t get it, they didn’t send it to ya

[edgy oriole]

we love surveys

I hope we survey fillers get a ingame survey tag

[solid imp]

Oh look at that I got one and didn't even notice it.. thanks google lol

[wide shore]

I’d love one

I love getting exclusive stuff

[topaz field]

noob ass team mates man no counter air support on the super Hindi

[silk surge]

Am I the only one who thinks that Angel's quips have 'so bad it's good' vibe to them?

[tame vine]

Oooh I see

[topaz field]

no rao trying yo stop attack , no soflam tartering just noobs trying to capture the room top on Kalidescope

[wide shore]

If all the other specialists quips get axed. Angels should stay. They’re iconic now

[radiant prism]

I've just toned the quips out of my head, like literally just don't pay attention to them and they're not that bad lol

[silk surge]

This question pisses me off so much. Are they floating the idea of not adding new content to PORTAL? What the actual fuck?

[hearty flame]

Haha they've really got no idea what to do with the game

[wide shore]

I didn’t even get that question I don’t think. I said I loved portal

But I did say the XP cap has essentially killed it

[radiant prism]

Well at least they're asking instead of just doing it

[silk surge]

The fact that they would even feel the need to ask that though. Do they not see the massive potential that PORTAL has?

[wide shore]

If we don’t get Panama Canal imma be pissed

I’d take White Pass too

[hearty flame]

Gimme hill 137 and oasis

[wide shore]

I’ll take them too

[dapper river]

they're considering all options. if that is an option you don't want, then tell them in the survey. stupiT

[hot bronze]

some ppl care more about them adding new content to the main game and not portal

[silk surge]

I want Hainan Resort, Siege of Shanghai, Operation Metro/Locker.

[wide shore]

Oasis would quell the idea that 2042 has no destruction.

[topaz field]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wink-gotcha-you-tube-thanks-gif-19039548

factssss

[hearty flame]

People know that portal has destruction but aow is lackluster compared to past titles

[dapper river]

Hainan Resort but it's a bright sunny day and that shitty gray/brown filter is removed

[wide shore]

That’s because of the maps. Not because of the destruction being toned down.

[hot bronze]

I would like them to make good new maps

[wide shore]

Hopefully new smaller maps with more random house assets come soon

[silk surge]

And not to forget Goldmud Rails, Propaganda, Pearl Market.

Oh and PARCEL STORM. That's an important one.

[worn whale]

they should refund everyone and then delete 2042 and work on the next game lol

[hot bronze]

just play bf4 at this point?

[wide shore]

I think ppl here should know how I feel about BF4 by this point. But I can do without any map from that game.

IF ANY Zavod.

[silk surge]

HOW DARE YOU!?

[wide shore]

I think BF4 map design is terrible.

[silk surge]

BF4 map design was based.

[wide shore]

BF4 premium is one of my most regretful purchases.

[silk surge]

You take that back.

[wide shore]

Never

[radiant prism]

BF4 is outdated

And more importantly, overrated

[wide shore]

Shit I didn’t even like it when it wasn’t outdated

[hearty flame]

Nah just shift focus so portal is the main mode and aow the side mode lol

[radiant prism]

I've played my share of BF4...the gunplay is almost as infuriating as 1's. Or maybe even launch 2042

[silk surge]

Nah, 1's gunplay was way worse.

[hearty flame]

no gunplay since bc2 is as bad as launch 2042
none

[wide shore]

I haven’t played 4 in many years. Thank god

[silk surge]

We don't talk about launch-day 2042 gunplay.

[radiant prism]

Difference is, though, 2042's was actually fixed. BF4's wasn't

[wide shore]

BF1 gunplay may have been very random. But at least everything else made up for it.

[silk surge]

Or what others might refer to "PP-29 god gun because every other gun is useless"

[hearty flame]

4s gunplay was a product of its time and it worked fine

[radiant prism]

If people are going to compare 2042 to 4, I don't think they should get to pick and choose what parts they compare it to behind the veil of time

[wide shore]

2042’s gunplay rn is great. There’s just not a lot of variety

[silk surge]

There's a reason why I haven't played BF4 for years. I loved that game, but it's so insanely outdated.

The flickering textures gives me actual migraines.

The lighting makes the game feel like a fever dream.

[velvet sand]

DICE: Should we abandon 33% of the game we sold you? Actually 66% because we don't even remember Hazard Zone exists anymore.

[velvet sand]

This. Guns feel pretty good IMO, I just wish we had more of 'em

[silk surge]

I think 2042 gunplay almost tops BFV's gunplay, that's how good it is right now. There are room for improvement though.

[hearty flame]

If i had a nickel for every side mode dice has abandoned Id have 3, which isnt a lot but its weird it happened three times

[silk surge]

The 4.0 attachment changes made the gunplay 1000x better.

[radiant prism]

Time to avoid reddit for the next two weeks because I somehow find myself back on it

[vocal adder]

I actually think BFV gunplay is better to me 2042 feels like i'm playing call of duty 😂

[silk surge]

The clip I posted here got a lot of Reddit points tho https://redd.it/uotq0c

[hearty flame]

well the 2042 reddit is quiet now that almost everyone has moved on. which is good and bad

[radiant prism]

Ok lets pause. People throw that around all the time, that 2042 feels like CoD, but I've never been able to decipher what they actually, tangibly mean by that

[hearty flame]

could be different for each person
its an fps so its like cod
the guns feel the same to them so its like cod
they die too fast so it feels like cod
you can make any loadout you want so it feels like cod

[silk surge]

It's Battlefield elitism. Has existed since before 1942 (somehow). CoD bad, BF good.

[wide shore]

Remember when BF3 came out and the community had a shit stir about the smaller maps being “too COD like”

[silk surge]

Like, the absolute worst criticism you can possibly give out in the Battlefield community is equating something to COD.

[hearty flame]

I mean pearl market is essentially a cod 3 lane map but thats about it

[slate mist]

@radiant prism i think they mean the "tac sprint" mechanic, but i feel its necessary for the large maps

[vocal adder]

Go play some call of duty then play 2042 and you will see it plays exactly like cod then play battlefield v or 1 and you see the difference

[silk surge]

I literally saw someone claiming that wingsuit and 128p was Call of Duty.

[wide shore]

It is just an elitism thing. There’s nothing wrong with taking stuff from a franchise that’s been on top for like 2 decades. COD steals shit from BF too. I mean, they literally had Conquest in MW2019

[slate mist]

you see, a wingsuit is pretty battlefield and not cod

[radiant prism]

That and the fact that WW2 was very clearly riding the coattails of BF1 lol

[arctic grove]

COD and Battlefield have long been direct competitors honestly. Not suprised

[silk surge]

Like, people criticize the increased mobility in 2042 because ""this isnt apex legends"", wtf is wrong with something being similar to Apex Legends?

[wide shore]

Definitely. It’s smart. Introduce stuff that people are used to from your main competition. So when players move over, they aren’t as lost

[arctic grove]

They’d be pissed if they couldn’t run with a giant anti-material rifle or LMGs

[velvet sand]

Wait...2042 has increased mobility? Wingsuit and grappling hook I get, but compared to BFV we lost a lot of mobility optoins.

[wide shore]

I think they mainly mean speed. Like the tactical sprint

[radiant prism]

This. People do this all the time with specialists, but why do people care? Without specialists, we wouldn’t be able to do stuff like the clip you posted earlier. It’s fun first and foremost, and that’s what matters

[arctic grove]

I am casually carrying 30 rounds of anti-material rounds also designed to disable engine blocks on armored vehicles

… what do you mean I can’t sprint jump while using it?

[slate mist]

yeah i dont get whats wrong with that

[silk surge]

Yeah. Tac sprint, ziplines, grappling hook, and wingsuit is what they are referring to.

[copper fulcrum]

That one guy at the bottom saying it's their video

[vocal adder]

Nothing to do with those its the movement system and the gunplay that feels like cod

[wide shore]

I don’t mind the tac sprint really

[silk surge]

Yeah, I'm also confused by that. My name is literally in the kill-log.

[copper fulcrum]

Considering how big the maps are, Tac Sprint is okay

[velvet sand]

tac sprint is absolutely necessary to get around in the game without feeling like you're a slug

[arctic grove]

I’m confused by how the gunplay is like Cod, so please explain that to me

[wide shore]

So, solid, good feeling shooting? Say what you want about COD but they’ve had solid feeling gunplay for a lonnnggg time

[hearty flame]

its like creating a problem and then creating a solution

[copper fulcrum]

Bullets come out of a gun, therefore CoD.

[silk surge]

Exactly. "Hero shooter" is a term that is thrown around a lot. As if there's a pre-disposed notion that hero shooters are inherently bad.

[vocal adder]

But going that route has killed the game when 90% of the playerbase is gone

[wide shore]

I can assure you the gunplay is not the reason people aren’t playing

[velvet sand]

They're definitely not. But I don't think trying to turn BF into a hero shooter is working out overall in the longterm.

[arctic grove]

It honestly isn’t

[copper fulcrum]

If Gunplay is the reason, why is BFV praised heavily for that?

[silk surge]

I agree. But I don't think something should be dismissed solely because it slightly resembles a 'hero shooter'. If specialists are done right, there shouldn't be remaining criticism that dismisses the entire concept just because of a term.

[arctic grove]

I think it would have been fine had they been integrated similar to Vs elites in a way

[vocal adder]

the elites was the worse thing in battlefield v and not having them faction based was even worse 😂

[copper fulcrum]

They were locked to sides

[velvet sand]

IMO if they wanted to try a more hero shooter angle, do something a la Bad Company with a spinoff. Doing it in a mainline entry, especially after the rocky reception of BFV, doesn't seem to have paid off.

[hearty flame]

especially when they wanted to tell a serious "climate change global migration proxy war" story and then have specialist having the time of their life
"what a time to be alive" lol

[arctic grove]

This is the problem I have with them lol

[copper fulcrum]

tbf that quote is only really in one single TV ad

[gray comet]

The problem is more that it speeds everything up, a little bit too much

[copper fulcrum]

and on a CS:GO sticker but I don't think that counts

[hearty flame]

ya and it was received so poorly it was delisted wasnt it?

[velvet sand]

It's the overall tone of the quips. There are some fine ones (my girl Falck is just boring with "Spectacular"), but most of them are pretty Hot Shots Part Deux, "War, it's fantastic!" kinds of things that don't really fit with the rest of the narrative presented.

[arctic grove]

Faction dependent customization options for specialists, and a change to tone and feel of the quotes screen and it won’t feel like the setting of the game is totally separate

[copper fulcrum]

Well, it's a TV ad, those only exist for so long.

[velvet sand]

Which DICE said they're working on somehow, so we'll see what they do.

[arctic grove]

I mean imo the portal animations are fine to bring over to AOW lol

[rancid jacinth]

I havent played in a few months, how is optimisation any improvments?

[arctic grove]

That’s dependent on your system honestly

[vocal adder]

Still pretty bad but the game is better though

[copper fulcrum]

The game is quite fun

[rancid jacinth]

mm

[hidden sand]

Optimization hasn't really improved and probably won't.

[arctic grove]

it has improved tho

[rancid jacinth]

this game is a pisstake ngl

i will give it ago, thanks 🙂

[hearty flame]

if your problem with 2042 was content then you gotta wait more

[rancid jacinth]

na its was just optimisation really.

for me atleast

[hidden sand]

There's loads of content, but for some arbitrary reason they locked it all to specific eras instead of giving you the option to combine them.

[arctic grove]

I’d be fine with 3s guns coming to AOW but that’s about it. And maybe the M1 for funny

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, Infinite Warfare had an M1 Garand you could use lol

[wide shore]

BC2’s guns too man. I wanna use the XM8

[copper fulcrum]

A futuristic XM8 sounds like a double negative/positive?

[wide shore]

So did Bad Company 2

[arctic grove]

Oh yeah I forgot BC2, really just modern era esque in general

[wide shore]

Wouldn’t make much sense since it basically died a decade ago. But it’s such a sweet gun

Also, using the AN94 with that beautiful 2 round hyper burst

[hidden sand]

Man one thing I was hoping for with this game was the BFV animation system and using the XM8 with it

[vocal adder]

Most of the issues i have right now is specialists, no classes, maps are awful, the cringey ass intro and the end of the game thing

[hidden sand]

BC2s animations have aged quite a bit so it would have been really cool to see it with that system

[arctic grove]

Classes exist

[wide shore]

BC2 sounds tho. Mmmmmmm

[arctic grove]

[hearty flame]

I dunno i kinda like the slightly exagerrated bc2 animations
and the sounds too. mmmmm

[copper fulcrum]

Intro and End are such nitpicks though. You have no control/actual gameplay going through it

[wide shore]

I love mag taps. Everything got a love tap in that game. Lol

[copper fulcrum]

It's like getting mad at the credits in a game

[hidden sand]

I'm talking about the quality of them. The style is good, but BFV had the best first person animation system to date.

[arctic grove]

The solution I devised to address 2042s maps:

Drumroll

Breakthrough

I play breakthrough in pretty much every battlefield that has it or similar to it. Always found conquest even with smaller maps to tend to be running all of the time and empty at certain times as wel

[hidden sand]

Conquest is my go-to mode, I prefer the freedom it gives you unlike breakthrough or rush

[hearty flame]

What they should do is do an aftermath style dlc and have the launch math given a wartorn makeover

[vocal adder]

so your telling me you like them cringey voice lines at the end

[arctic grove]

That’s true, I like that about conquest as well

[arctic grove]

I don’t but like, I just go to my ps5 Home Screen during it and re enter the game after it ends

[hidden sand]

I'm genuinely curious on what made them double down on the quirky and silly style after the backlash BFV got for it

[velvet sand]

Fortnite and Apex.

[arctic grove]

They’re probably sadists who wanted to incite pure rage

[hearty flame]

did you see what they did with the backlash they got in V? they held a party with backlash quotes on a big screen lol
as if theyre gonna care

[velvet sand]

They were 100% right on that bit though. The backlash from a bunch of neckbears because WOMUNZ IN MUH WAR was dumb.

[arctic grove]

Absolutely based response, really

[hidden sand]

I do not believe they cared, they just used that backlash to mask ALL of the criticism as man-child behavior

[hearty flame]

Im more talking about backlash like "dont like it dont buy it" and "we're on the right side of history" and "how can i tell my daughter she cant be a woman in ww2". like youre european, you should know about the french resistance and find a way to implement them ya ass

[arctic grove]

bruh they couldve added a female russian sniper story

[hidden sand]

So a lot of actual criticism was washed down the drain with the whiny babies

[hot bronze]

ya till they replaced a bunch of mangers bc of the hate they got for the last 2 games

[velvet sand]

The initial backlash was more focused on gamers realizing that BF isn't a historically accurate franchise and being butthurt. But that changed to TTK arguments immediately once it launched.

[arctic grove]

We could go on and on about real and fictional scenarios to ‘realistically’ implement women but why care about realism there when our guns have dot sights

[velvet sand]

BF is a big franchise in the US, and honestly the stories of much of the resistence in Europe during WWII and the role women played isn't remotely as common knowledge. So it was likely for our benefit as 'Muricans.

[hidden sand]

The actual criticism was that the art direction was horrible. Nobody actually cared about women being in the game except for crybaby man-children.
Unfortunately that criticism was drowned out by them.

[arctic grove]

Why care about realism there and not design the in game tiger to break down every 3 minutes

[velvet sand]

My mans asking the hard questions.

[hearty flame]

But dice was going for an unknown stories of ww2 angle. it wouldve totally fit that and their need to implement stealth mechanics for no reason into singleplayer

[hidden sand]

BF has never been a 1:1 recreation of real life, but it has always tried to remain authentic when it could.

[arctic grove]

That’s what I liked about 3

[hidden sand]

Women are not the reason a game is immersion breaking lol. Absolutely insane that some people thought so then.

[vocal adder]

The art direction what you on about it was mostly inaccuracies of ww2 and the women with no arm and the women being added that's the only back lash i heard after the trailer they revealed

[hearty flame]

1 had some really authentic voicelines. the panic and horror in their voices was great

[hearty flame]

dont forget the brit with a katana on his back

[arctic grove]

All I remember from V

Was mad gamer dude making fun of the chat filter

[velvet sand]

1 is a bloody masterpiece in terms of atmosphere and things like that.

[hidden sand]

That's kind of the charm of Battlefield, it's got authentic art direction but very sandbox and arcadey gameplay.

They always matched extremely well together.

[hearty flame]

its sad we went from that to this

[velvet sand]

Don't be sad, that's just how it works out sometimes : 3

[arctic grove]

Just gib battlefield 3 with 1s atmosphere and what not, Vs animations and movement, aaaand yeah that’s pretty much it

[hearty flame]

i can imagine that meme lasting until dice closing down. itll be one of the most posted comments

[vocal adder]

Like i keep saying 4/1/V would be the perfect battlefield

[foggy tundra]

dont forget titan mode

[arctic grove]

I figured 2042 was gonna be VERY similar to V but modern anyways

[foggy tundra]

[vocal adder]

2042 is nothing like battlefield V

[hidden sand]

What's that? Improvement and building off the success of past games? We don't do that here -DICE

[arctic grove]

It it doesn’t have titan mode there’s no deal

[velvet sand]

I hope these cringe lines follow them until they finally can figure out what's going on and get their act together. Just a constant reminder.

[foggy tundra]

[arctic grove]

What I meant was before the games launch i figured it would expand upon V which expanded upon 1

[hearty flame]

if theres one thing that stays longer than it should, its memes.
the dna of the community

https://tenor.com/view/monsoon-memes-now-theres-a-pretty-meme-gif-22567834

[hidden sand]

BF3 to BFV all very much so innovated and improved off of each other

[olive lake]

Seems I got the survey. Made sure to give an earful but I bet it'll do nothing for solo/coop

[hidden sand]

That's how I'm feeling in regards to them giving us a Level Editor lol
I really hope a lot of people are for it

[hearty flame]

Like ea is gonna hand out its proprietary engine for us plebs to play with

[hidden sand]

Proper Solo play and mod support >>>>> Only online with content that you'll never be able to touch again once servers die

[olive lake]

I legit wanna just enjoy the game how I'd like. Couldnt care what anyone else thinks. I dont farm like the people that originally ruined it for everyone

[arctic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/stay-at-home-thats-some-funny-will-smith-gif-16676790

I was just laughing at the sudden gif entrance

Don’t crucify me max

[olive lake]

If we get public matchmaking for solo/coop as a option, cool. Thats nice

[hidden sand]

Be dice
Introduce solo play for the first time since 2142
Instantly ruin it the day the game comes out for early access

[olive lake]

But gotta get the bullet out the wound first and patch the wound by uncapping progression

[arctic grove]

But then the problem you face is what content can be unlocked in both

[hidden sand]

Who cares?

It doesn't effect the game by how quick someone unlocks things

[arctic grove]

Any competitive player, or someone who wants to basically show something off as a sign of “check out how hard I worked for this”

Plenty of FPS games have it

[vocal adder]

it actually does then people will complain theres no more content because they unlocked everything

[hearty flame]

just cuz its a common thing doesnt mean its good

[arctic grove]

Well I’m open to see how it isn’t good to have something to work towards. I think we all want to show off sometimes

[hidden sand]

BF really isn't the type of game to be bragging about unlocks though, it's an arcadey sandbox game.

[olive lake]

Heres the thing. I'm not that person. Bear in mind the battle passes. When done, I'll just play something else till something new comes

[arctic grove]

That’s true, to my knowledge nothing has served that purpose before in the franchise

[olive lake]

Or faff around on portal with friends

[hearty flame]

Id be in favor of an unlock token system. Do enough with a weapon, get an unlock token. use token(s) to unlock attachments and skins in the order you want

[hidden sand]

Actually there has been, revives, score, and kills

Those show other people how good of a player you are generally

[arctic grove]

Ah I see what you mean

[hidden sand]

I'm certain progression was capped because they want to sell XP boosters, but who knows for sure

[hearty flame]

You dont need to "farm" for attachments and you can get what you want early on. if you really like the gun then you can farm for more expensive and crazy skins

[olive lake]

That would be the scummiest thing on earth if thats true

[vocal adder]

what progression was capped portal ?

[foggy tundra]

2142 had a thing called, field upgrades

id love that to return

performing squad stuff would grant points which then gave a field upgrade which you could use to try out locked gear

bf2 also had it i think?

[hidden sand]

I mean they've sold XP boosters since BF4 (Maybe 3, can't recall for sure), not out of character for them

[hearty flame]

at least in 4 they gave them out buy the handful and had xp boost weekends

[hidden sand]

Sounds a bit redundant tbh
Might as well just work to unlock the gear

[olive lake]

Yeah but to cap solo/co-op because that would be so low

[hidden sand]

Then BFV showed up
"We don't have the tech"

[silk surge]

Would be nice if they added a minigun as a battle pickup. Imagine taking down helis with that.

[hearty flame]

kinda unimaginable they couldnt just tweak xp values for a few days every so often

[olive lake]

Like the xp cap as of now could easily be mended to be more reasonable

The whole xp per minute system is fucking horrible beyond belief

[silk surge]

BFV did have xp boosts, they just didn't have xp boost events.

[olive lake]

If there was a capped total, that would be much nicer and fairer

[foggy tundra]

it allows you to try out gear you can unlock, as you only get one unlock point per rank

and each rank is like 10 levels

[olive lake]

It would mean ribbons and full unlocks or weeklies at least could come back

[hidden sand]

Yep, was referring to XP weekends specifically.

[silk surge]

Ah, my bad.

[hidden sand]

Must've been some extremely rough code to mess around with lol

[hearty flame]

It couldnt have been that rough though could it? the only things double xp wouldve directly affected is rank progression and ingame currency right? so just double xp and half earned currency if thats what they want. unless the engine really is made out of spahgetti code

[vocal adder]

Does playing against bots on portal still reward you full progression or no ?

[velvet sand]

It never did, it still doesn't.

[hidden sand]

That wouldn't be related to the engine, rather the code made for the game. Which absolutely could be that bad.

[hearty flame]

I think they changed it so that if you add bots and change nothing you can get prog
dont quote me though

[vocal adder]

it did at the beginning i'm pretty sure

[hidden sand]

It did the first day of early access, as promised. They then removed it when people made farming servers.

[velvet sand]

IT was instantly disabled because it was being used for XP farms. It hasn't come back since, and won't. If you use bots you can only gain limited XP-per minute, no ribbons or progress towards mastery.

[hearty flame]

ya youre right but with how reputationally finicky frostbite is i wouldnt doubt it

[hidden sand]

That was only for games that weren't Battlefield games. It was never designed to make any other type of game, which is why it was difficult for them.

[radiant prism]

Didn't they recently update it so that modes with minimal modification could still earn full progression?

[hidden sand]

If bots are enabled in any form, progression is limited.

[radiant prism]

Oh ok, makes sense

[velvet sand]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FR2HijhXwAEiBe2?format=jpg&name=large current rewards based on how altered it is

[hearty flame]

True but its a proprietary engine which means that they cant just bring people onboard with knowledge of how frostbite works. they have to be trained and then hope they stay to keep their expertise. and with a reported braindrain in dice that means more inexperienced coders

[velvet sand]

so XP cap, limited mastery, no ribbon XP for Portal with any mods (but no AI)

[hidden sand]

Of course, but we don't know how difficult it is to learn, nor does this display it as a bad or finnicky engine.
The only people who have talked about it being a pain are developers who were required to use it for games that weren't designed for it.

[hearty flame]

then again there are examples such as al soondone where it took months to fix a single issue on the map that kept it from releasing

[hidden sand]

What makes you think that's at the fault of the engine when that could have been management issues?

[velvet sand]

Porque no los dos? : P

[hearty flame]

If i recall it was an artifacting issue that they couldnt resolve. thats engine i think

[radiant prism]

We have more evidence to support it being a legitimate engine issue than we do poor management apart from cynical speculation

[hidden sand]

Can you link it?

[hearty flame]

I cant find the exact quote but there are multiple reddit posts referencing it
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/dv02wr/is_this_the_same_artifacting_that_caused_the/

[hidden sand]

Ye there's nothing really to suggest an engine issue, we have no way of knowing what it was for sure

[radiant prism]

We also have no way of knowing the delay was really poor management aside from outside speculation.

[hidden sand]

I never claimed it was that, though? I was responding to speculation with speculation
That was kind of my whole point actually lol

[hearty flame]

https://mp1st.com/news/battlefield-5-al-sundan-conquest-release-still-on-hold-due-to-artifacting-issue
found the quote in a website
They’re still working on it.

I know, I know, I know. *sigh*
They fixed the crashing issue that prevented it from being released, but now there’s a artifacting (visual bug) issue that puts this giant black object in the sky, which renders the map unshippable in this state.

I’m really sorry, I don’t have an ETA and I absolutely understand how frustrating this is – I’m a huge Conquest fan/player myself and this map SCREAMS Conquest.

[hidden sand]

Yep I read, not exactly clear on what was causing it so we can't say for sure

But even if it was, one bug is not enough to claim the entire engine is a bad one lol

[hearty flame]

tbf Im not saying its a bad engine just that its reputationally finicky

[hidden sand]

And I'm not saying frostbite is flawless, no engine is
But people refer to quotes from developers making games not designed for it, as if that makes the engine bad

[hearty flame]

cool so we've been arguing two different arguments lol

[velvet sand]

Yes, but they have a whole team dedicated to Frostbite (and have for years) specifically to expand its functionality for use in other games.

[hidden sand]

Whatever you say man

[velvet sand]

https://www.ea.com/frostbite

I mean, unless that whole part of their site is just marketing BS.

[hidden sand]

I'm disagreeing with your point not the that they weren't using it for other games

[velvet sand]

My point that they have a dedicated team working on the engine for years?

[hidden sand]

I never said otherwise though so I'm not sure what the point of telling me that was then

I assumed you were making the point that because of that fact, it shouldn't have been difficult for them

[velvet sand]

That it shouldn't have been as difficult as it's reportedly been, yes. Especially given that the reports weren't just from the teams first time working with the engine and learning its quirks and oddities (learning curves exist). The complaints about it breaking easily are pretty general complaints.

There's often immense internal pressure to please bosses and pick "our engine" even if that means hamstringing yourself in many ways. See BioWare choosing the engine that they struggled with for multiple projects.

[hidden sand]

Except, the developers specifically stated that it was because of it being designed for BF, not what they were working on. That makes it a production issue, not an engine one. You wouldn't use a car to swim.

I'm not saying it wasn't difficult for them, just that you can't blame the engine for it lol.

We don't know which frostbite version they were using, how far into development the frostbite team got to match their needs, etc. It was BioWares fault for insisting they use Frostbite, knowing that it would make their workflow ten times harder.

[velvet sand]

I guess, I don't think we'll agree but even then...man EA as publisher shoulda probably stepped in and said, "Maybe find an engine that's actually gonna help you build the game you want..."

[cedar turtle]

If I buy the game a second time on PS5, will it fix it?

[velvet sand]

No. You need to buy the game five times to fix it on PS5. 5=5

[cedar turtle]

Crap! Alright, well. Next paycheck I guess

[hidden sand]

2042 times actually, it's a secret easter egg that magically fixes every issue with the game

[velvet sand]

Time to take out a mortgage on my...wait I don't own a home : |

[cedar turtle]

I like the idea of them scraping Frostbite. EA dropped Fifa, right? What if they drop BF? Is FB a Dice owned engine?

[stray python]

Frostbite was rather good, older titles had 1-2ms render latency, 2042 has like 5-10ms render latency (when you use Nvidia overlay)

[topaz field]

hehehe the survey is golden

This is what i originally thought portal was going to be. the ability to creat maps from scratch for yourself add objects etc.

[arctic grove]

bruh

when tf may update commin

[topaz field]

relax you troll

[velvet sand]

You read it wrong, it's not the "may" update, it's that an update "may" come : P

[hidden sand]

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/uof3v7/the_modding_community_really_is_keeping_this_game/

This is exactly why 2042 needs mod support

Hopefully that Spatial Editor question means something in the end

[sinful mountain]

Just sunk 6 rounds of ppk into a player and died to them nit taking any damage 🤣

[hexed knoll]

Hazard anyone

[outer oriole]

anyone looking to play breakthrough from the uk

[white geyser]

Don't feel like playing BF 2042 on Friday night battlefield, when they should focus on season 1 update they promise us to work on.

[tacit sphinx]

what lol

[foggy tundra]

thats a big leap of logic

[velvet sand]

I stubbed my toe this morning so I guess I won't pursue a PHD after all.

[bleak tide]

Just done the feedback thing

[glacial elbow]

anyone wanna play 2042

[inland wing]

anyone want to play 2042?
I want to find teammates

[edgy oriole]

[edgy oriole]

!!LFG or join some voice channels that arent full.

[tender pendant]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[edgy oriole]

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/bFmwB.gif

[white geyser]

I’m taking my AA wildcat tank at the shop, so they can install another strong missile as a secondary weapon I been looking for.

[elder patrol]

Spaghetti time

[edgy oriole]

[main mango]

If BF2042 were a DnD character they would be a Murder Hobo, just puttin that out there

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/nerds-shouts-yells-gif-7246190

[white geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[main mango]

😢

[torpid vortex]

If 2042 was a dnd character it would be an intelligence specialist

[near hare]

just like ur mom

[torpid vortex]

If we got Liz dropping med boxes and saying "this is what the game needs" might be back in business

[hexed mango]

[hexed mango]

wait is it Lis or Liz

idr

[upbeat sand]

what they say

[torpid vortex]

Temporal "datamined" it, he said lis but it's ajoke.

[upbeat sand]

the deleted
\

[hexed mango]

ohk i just didnt remember, i saw both

[fallen yarrow]

Do you guys think they'll ever fix the vehicle loadout reset bug?

[arctic grove]

[wide shore]

Hey guys I got the thingy

[arctic grove]

Since when did we point now when spotting enemies

[wide shore]

If you double tap, since 4.0

[edgy oriole]

4.0

[arctic grove]

[wide shore]

I actually ran into a cheater just now

Was headshotting through walls with an LCMG.

[hexed mango]

just feels good

[edgy oriole]

53 players ded game

[honest comet]

lol depends what mode he plays

theres breaktrough 64 players

plus its like 6 in the morning

[quiet shell]

Lot of animation fixes and addons happened in 4.0 that weren't listed

[hexed mango]

😎

[hexed mango]

he's joking

[hexed mango]

yeah but mathematically speaking i cant be playing bt64 if my team almost has 64 players on it (aka double the amount it would have in a 64 players gamemode)

plus, the round just ended, its entirely possible people just left as soon as the round stopped

[hexed mango]

depends where you are in the world, for me, in my region its only 9pm

[raven yew]

Did they nerf the NTW?

[white geyser]

I need the SRAW rocket launcher in 2042, I miss that weapon and I been using the SRAW in BF4 more than the other rocket launchers

[upbeat sand]

pro gamer

[placid echo]

When Monday hits

[honest comet]

oh tru tru

@placid echo noic

[grizzled whale]

Fake, melee never works in this game

[placid echo]

It's gotten a lot more consistent after 4.0 I'll tell ya what

[wanton tiger]

Doesn't feel like it tbh

[grizzled whale]

^

i had to melee a lot in quickdraw, and ill tell you it worked maybe once every 10 tries

[wanton tiger]

Also the 50mm on the transport choppers is so painfully inconsistent. Still can't fathom that I can land 6 direct shots on a tank and deal no damage

Idk if it's because I'm on controller or if the hit reg is just trash or what

[placid echo]

Maybe I'm just lucky or something but I've been getting more takedowns that actually work more often.

It never does that whole fucking up thing either where the animation just decides to cancel right after I initialize the takedown.

I did have a clip recently where I landed right behind a Mackay as a Sundance and did a takedown on him. It felt good when it worked so seamless.

[grizzled whale]

oh takedowns work

regular melee doesnt

[placid echo]

At least Mackay works now. https://streamable.com/mjnb7r

[hardy glacier]

battlesus 2042

[foggy tundra]

we need to play together at one point

[vivid kindle]

this game still sucks

i uninstalled, instant relief

[wide shore]

Cool

Proud of you.

[tall finch]

PARTY MODE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[radiant prism]

Sometimes I wonder if I’m playing the same game as everyone who complains this much, like I just cannot be having this much fun with something people can’t supposedly stand to play for 5 minutes

[tall finch]

i agree, im having fun and it feels weird seeing others hate a game im having fun with

[arctic magnet]

Start dev Battlefield 6

[wide shore]

They have.

[tall finch]

i cant hovercraft climb anymore

is hovercraft climbing patched? IT BETTER NOT BE BECAUSE IF IT IS IM NEVER USING VEHICLES IN BF2042 AGAIN

[vivid kindle]

if i were you id uninstall, basically its just chasing the dragon for the old nostalgic battlefields, terrible game

i tried to refund

[arctic grove]

I miss 2042 beta

,,

[arctic magnet]

Battlefield 6

[teal mirage]

[arctic grove]

Facts my guy

[cold vortex]

yo tout le monde , je sui français joueur PS4 , FULL pilote elico de TRANSPORT et MV38 CONDOR , je cherche COPILOTE pour fair du sale ! ajouté moi si interessé ^^ : OttOman3870

[next onyx]

English please. If you're looking for games give #lfg-playstation a look.

[grizzled whale]

Cool., dont remember asking though

[tall finch]

am i weird or is bf2042 more fun than bf4 because bf4 has so many vehicle sweats

[wanton quarry]

@grizzled whale

[tall finch]

i dont know, i seem to smash in bf2042 and 2042 has less sweaty players compared to vehicletryhardfield4

[grizzled whale]

yes

[grizzled whale]

atleast remove the spaces...

[tall finch]

as per usual windows 11 updates ruining my GPU drivers

really appreciate microsoft, many thanks

[white geyser]

You know, I wouldn't mind having another AA tank in BF 2042 and I know we have the wildcat tank, but if only they should have added this new AA tank called, the M-shorad and if they do add it as a DLC, make sure the M-shorad has dfferent kinds of missile as a secondary weapon, I got tired using lock-on missile that can't fire freely and better add tv missile for the AA wildcat tank's secondary weaponry just to remind them.

[tame vine]

Huh that makes me realize, both factions share the same transport vehicles and AA 💀
Wonder if there's any lore specific reason for that, cuz they should have different vehicles if they're being backed by the faction they represent

[celest sinew]

(Not certain on this but I'm pretty sure its correct lore wise) the Transport vehicles are No Pat Owned and the country they are fighting for is just bringing them into the Battlefield(har har) as for the Wildcat, nah I've got no clue

[uncut bay]

i doubt nopats will have such a large reserve of vehicles in any centralised manner

probably just an oversight, but if you want a lore explanation it might be because both factions are using leftovers from other countries so they ended up getting similar equipment

[celest sinew]

Actually yeah that would make alot more sense if it was just left overs from other collapsed countries and such

Could explain the wide variety of vehicles in the transport category

[chilly jacinth]

uh the air vehicles are still mega busted in 2042

and bolte is still good

[restive saddle]

The vehicles in 2042 aren't exactly at their best and those choosing to stay aren't necessarily going to always be the veteran players.

The only thing I dislike in older ones is more the users if anything... Flying away and spamming ECM at every warning.

It's been so long since I've played 3, I don't even remember how the vehicle gameplay was.

Especially since all it's good maps keep getting remade

[stoic creek]

True

I just wish they kept the maps as they were

Yea

Tbh the Jets are too op cuz a jet flew right into me and it didn't explode and somehow I did

No 2042

[restive saddle]

I don't know how that makes it OP though

[stoic creek]

Yea

[restive saddle]

Yeah, the new flight system for helis especially

[chilly jacinth]

the little bird is nuts

if youre good enough you can even dodge lock ons

as in already tracking rockets

[restive saddle]

Doesn't it also lack anti-air missiles?

[stoic creek]

Let's say a tank shoots you and it misses but you get hit and you don't due

If that happens in real life you would be dead

[restive saddle]

"if it misses but you get hit" are you talking about the pressure wave or the shell exploding

[stoic creek]

Shell and wave

[chilly jacinth]

who wouldve thought a game would be a game

that doesnt mimic real life

[stoic creek]

Yea other battlefields have buildings falling down 2042 doesnt

[restive saddle]

Well the pressure from firing isn't too far but most MBTs use HEAT or APFSDS shells.

[stoic creek]

2042 has tornados but no earth quakes

I say 2042 was a down grade from the others

Yea bf1 is still alive

[restive saddle]

Modern HEAT technically being multi-purpose but it is less effective at defeating infantry than HE or other AP designated weaponries

[stoic creek]

Like you got harbour but you can swim

Bf 5 died on PS3 quick

[restive saddle]

I can't imagine why

[stoic creek]

Yea

Yea

[restive saddle]

a certain Miyazaki game haunting all these new games

[stoic creek]

2042 had so much potential it's just they didn't add falling buildings earth quakes secrets

Like the nuke one

Yea

Yea bf 4 was good

[restive saddle]

I can find more servers on Hardline than 2042

[stoic creek]

True

And when you try finding servers you get put into a team or the enemy team is about to lose or win

[restive saddle]

[stoic creek]

I've joined 2 servers today and I've lost when I joined

They added bad company bf 3 and 1942 but not 4

They could atleast add 4

[hardy leaf]

thats sad

[restive saddle]

I feel like that's because a lot of what is in 4 is also in 3

[stoic creek]

Ah what one had the falling building again?

[restive saddle]

Every BF past BC2 up to Hardline

[stoic creek]

Ah

So 3

[restive saddle]

Hardline and beyond have extremely limited destruction elements which is odd but it's at it's worst in 2042 lol

[stoic creek]

I bet their too lazy to add it so they added windows and signs breaking

[restive saddle]

It doesn't even exist for basic things, even on returning maps

[stoic creek]

Yea

It's like they just forgot about it

I like how they added swimming but in real life if you swam with a gun your gun wouldn't work

[restive saddle]

Some guns do

[stoic creek]

Yea

[uncut bay]

nothing really prevents guns from working underwater, it's just not recommended. Plus bullets are incredibly inefficient in water

[restive saddle]

There are some specifically made for water-based combat but by default they're effectively unused

[stoic creek]

Yea

I wish they add a secret

[restive saddle]

since, when has any two opposing infantry forces ever fought underwater lol

[stoic creek]

I miss the nuke one

[uncut bay]

gotta be prepared for anything i guess

isn't that how they justify wasted tax money nowadays?

[stoic creek]

Yea

[limber garden]

Explain to me how I cannot get a 64vs64 T(TANK)DM on portal then call it "Love letter to the fans?

just asking

[tepid agate]

You can get 64 v 64 with bots

[limber garden]

bots...

[tepid agate]

They are essential for filling servers in 2042

[grizzled whale]

you scammed yourself

i did and it was 100% worth it

cant argue that 400 hours of playtime for 100 bucks is worth it

[limber garden]

I'm sure people spent more time picking at their nose, doesn't mean it's worth 100 bucks

[grizzled whale]

people spend 60 bucks on a game they play for 30 hours and call it worth it

400 hours for 100 bucks is 100% worth it

[limber garden]

I spent more time on warzone and it doesn't cost anything so there is that.

[grizzled whale]

which is relevant how?

[limber garden]

Exactly. How is it relevant to other people that you spent 100 bucks and it is worth it to you when it clearly isn't for them?

You don't see the irony in this do you?

[grizzled whale]

when did i say that?

i said i spent 100 bucks on it and it was 100% worth it

[limber garden]

— Today at 2:00 PM

[grizzled whale]

which it was

[grizzled whale]

i said this, which still stands

[limber garden]

I'm sure the game is alright for you, which is alright. I just don't see why players who like the game should always push their opinion to those who don't

[grizzled whale]

where am i doing that

im saying i paid 100 bucks for a game ive gotten atleast 400 hours of playtime out of, so it was 100% worth the money

Dont twist peoples words

[storm jolt]

think about a movie, a ticket is $8 for avg 2 hours

[grizzled whale]

8 bucks?

over here its 14-18 bucks

[storm jolt]

expensive, where at

[grizzled whale]

netherlands