battlefield-2042

[low timber]

Died twice today to an enemy Bolte road killing me inside our uncap after spawning in Breakthrough, why the hell is the out of bounds timer inside opposite teams uncap also 10 seconds??

[river burrow]

What I don't understand is, if I used a vehicle then sure, I deserve a longer respawn timer. But why the h would I get the same longer timer when it was an enemy vehicle that ran over me?

[arctic grove]

looks pretty similar to the French VBL

[radiant prism]

It’s because when you get roadkilled you skip the potentially 30 second+ bleed out timer

[grizzled whale]

https://tenor.com/view/boxbox-gif-21400400

[still vault]

Yeeeeees, I feed off your failed attempts to stop me!

[arctic grove]

looks fine with his tier 4 skin, night operations skin or specialist rao skin 👍

but it could use a combat uniform that has the same colors as it

that would be fine too

[grizzled whale]

https://tenor.com/view/im-gonna-stop-you-right-there-stop-it-stop-gif-14320481

understandable, have a nice day

[honest comet]

uf dont snipe anymore lol

[arctic grove]

better gaming chair

[grizzled whale]

i got a secretlab titan, there is no better gaming chair

[stone cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-cast-it-fire-destroy-it-lotr-gif-16208495

gifs really are disabled on this server huh

[arctic grove]

yeah that way people dont post goku feet gifs

[grizzled whale]

https://tenor.com/view/hugo-weaving-lord-of-the-rings-gif-12671347

[honest comet]

@river burrow bcs only nubs get ran over by vehicle lol

[stone cradle]

Seriously though, Boris's turret is annoying af. My friend got to S just by using it to farm in the ltm zombie mode

[river burrow]

how the f do you dodge a vehicle that can climb buildings

[arctic grove]

yeah walking out into the wrong open spot just to get turned into swiss cheese

makes me die inside sometimes

[honest comet]

ez

[arctic grove]

but ever since that rao weekly challenge ive been using him a lot more so i usually hack them

[honest comet]

get inside? lol

[stone cradle]

Which was literal xp farm because the 'zombies' can't climb onto anything, so you could just get to a high place and farm kills

[arctic grove]

you should try breakthrough 128 some time

[honest comet]

dont camp roof of building and so on lol

i only play braketrough

and still have 2 kdr lol

its gud mode

conquest boring and campy

[arctic grove]

all that is nice but im just generally saying. boris sentrys arent a problem to me but its still depressing to walk somewhere and before i can react a boris turret sent me to god

like i said though, i play rao a lot more now that he has that weekly helmet, so i just hack them

imagine when you hack rangers or sentrys they start shooting their teammates

idk if thats how it already works or not

[honest comet]

nop

when u hack it just shuts down for some time

like anything else u hack, like enemx tank for example

[arctic grove]

boris

[river burrow]

I've been wondering why there isn't a crosshair indicator when using the grappling gun to show whether it's within reach or too far.

[rain basin]

XD Can confirm at Metro OP.Locker at 3200 tcks.

[arctic grove]

it becomes triangly when youre in range of something to grapple to

[honest comet]

just sayin for me its too slow

now if u like to camp thats ur thing

[arctic grove]

whats too slow conquest?

[river burrow]

What? I thought it was always square. I was thinking it should turn red or something

[honest comet]

yeah lol

[arctic grove]

conquest just kinda feels like

ok objective secured

ok let me go walk 500 meters to get to the next objective

[honest comet]

somehow ppl take bases and then wait inside bases for enemy, and then u need to go to other side of map for 5 mins and so on

[rain basin]

No. On Locker I run back and forth as Medic or spray and pray vis camping🤣 Other than that map I'm in the action.

[honest comet]

to get to the next base

[arctic grove]

nah jk, i know about transports and redeploy

[honest comet]

so best solution is to camp one base

in conquest

[arctic grove]

yeah otherwise youre playing cat and mouse the entire game. thats why i just play breakthrough, once you secure objectives it actually makes some impact

[honest comet]

@arctic grove exactly

[rain basin]

Used to go hard on rush. Does anybody still play that these days?

Back in my B3 days

[honest comet]

i never tried hazard zone

is it worth a try?

[rain basin]

Hazard?

[honest comet]

yea its a mode i think

[arctic grove]

give it a shot, its like an extraction game mode and you might not be able to matchmake, battlefield still hasnt succeeded at battle royale/extraction lol

[honest comet]

yeah, in bf5 the battle royal mode, i legit tried it 3-4 times and never again lol

[fervent grotto]

If firestorm was free it would’ve done so much better

[honest comet]

@fervent grotto probs

[river burrow]

I don't play any chicken dinner games/modes

[arctic grove]

lol chicken dinner gamemodes

[honest comet]

i did play a lot of warzone back when it was op

nowdays its hackers crap lol

plus caldera is pure crap

[fervent grotto]

I still play warzone everyday

[arctic grove]

or just some of planet earths SWEATIEST ttv's ive ever seen

[fervent grotto]

Rebirth only though.

Caldera isn’t fast paced enough for me and I get bored

[honest comet]

like dudes sittin on vehicles and shootin everyone on the map and other gacker drivein around

[arctic grove]

lmfao

[honest comet]

hacker*

[arctic grove]

i wouldnt even be mad if i got killed by that

[fervent grotto]

Ain’t no one sit and camp vehicles bro

[honest comet]

not campin bro, one dude drivein and other shootin all

[fervent grotto]

Still no one do that lmao

[honest comet]

with 100% head accuracy i swear

[fervent grotto]

People use vehicles to get in circle and then immediately abandon them

[honest comet]

well idk what but happened to me

few times

[arctic grove]

Isn't there a truck that like is indestructible comrade

[fervent grotto]

Not indestructible. And you can only get it from a contract

[honest comet]

guess those wanted some fun dont know what happened later with those but i tell ya it was nasty

i spectated them as well a little bit and they did tons of kills

i actually loved warzone

even bought battle pass and everything

[fervent grotto]

Well warzone gets better content and community feedback than this game so I just continue to play

[grizzled whale]

warzone was at its peak around season 3 of MW

[fervent grotto]

I’m trying to get dark matter now

[grizzled whale]

it went to shit when cold war was out, then died when vanguard came out

[fervent grotto]

No it was 100% when the first haunting of verdansk event came out

[honest comet]

yeah i bought cold war and was bit dissapointed still played it a lot

[grizzled whale]

nah fuck jumpscares

[honest comet]

evwn tho it was crappy game

[arctic grove]

not to be that guy but this game gets feedback too

just not content, yet

[fervent grotto]

Easily the best event in warzone history

[night vessel]

The 8 wheeled IFV I posted is a Turkish made IFV

[honest comet]

but yeah about content its true, it has much more

[grizzled whale]

the cold war announcement event was way better

jumpscares in an fps just suck ass

[honest comet]

more maps, more guns

[arctic grove]

meh 2042 will get it

[honest comet]

like i just want mp5 in bf

and i dont need any other gun haha

[arctic grove]

surely in 2042 the M27 IAR will still be the marine corps favorite rifle... hopefully

i just wanna slap its foregrip bipod combo on it B(

[honest comet]

yeah, atm im mostly playin the m5

its pretty noic gun

[arctic grove]

sig sauer mcx spear (m5a3) is good, m4 is just a classic though that i really enjoy personally

[honest comet]

yea isnt that gun basicly m4 carbine

[arctic grove]

hell

its better than it

[night vessel]

Just use the LCMG it's a badass gun

[arctic grove]

yeah i know

i want classics though, at least gib m4a1

[tacit sphinx]

compared to the other ngsw entries it's very similar yeah

[honest comet]

yeah and i love m4 carbines

so me happy with that gun

[tacit sphinx]

a few key differences but at the end of the day it's an AR platform rifle so there's only so much that can be different

[night vessel]

Short barrel, short grip, CQC scope, high extended mag standard ammo. And you good to zap zap zap everyone in front of you from 0 to 100 meters

[arctic grove]

its basically just deadlier m4

the 6.8x54mm (i think thats the correct caliber) says goodbye to plate carriers

[honest comet]

what is best sniper rifle?

im playin the first one atm

[arctic grove]

short to medium range ntw solos but the dropoff makes it obsolete at what sniping ranges really tend to be in game

[night vessel]

What your using is the best one

[tacit sphinx]

DXR is the best for longer range but the sws is arguably a bit better for closer-medium range sniping

[night vessel]

Quick rate of fire snipers mainly win

[honest comet]

@night vessel nice, yeah its actually great, 9 bullets in mag

[tacit sphinx]

both are good though, it kinda comes down to preference

[honest comet]

is anyone playin on ps5 here?

[night vessel]

I suggest watching ravic videos since he goes hell pro

[arctic grove]

ye me

[honest comet]

i actually snipe pretty good

[tacit sphinx]

i think one rifle i'd like to see come to the game is the croatian VHS-2

[honest comet]

omg pls pls pls im croatian

[arctic grove]

yeah, please do add the VHS-D2

[honest comet]

if that gun comes, i swear imma play forever

as croatian that would be honor for me haha

first croatian gun in game ever

[night vessel]

https://youtu.be/tuJVVGfIw7U try being this guy x3

[tacit sphinx]

perhaps the desertech mdr as a marksman rifle would be cool

[honest comet]

i mean im not pro haha

just good at it

wow hes crazy didnt even know u can shoot ppl in helis

@night vessel

[night vessel]

Dudes a legit hardcore player of battlefield

I love him but most ppl don't cause they think he hacks lol

[honest comet]

only amazing thing i did was hitin 2 helis in row in like 2 mins and destroyin them with a abrams

i was like woooow

[night vessel]

Nice

[honest comet]

guess its world of tanks skills lol

[fervent grotto]

I wish. I want a pp2000, m1014 or spas 12, a skorpion evo3, and a lot more

But like those would be my favorite. Also maybe a beretta, keratos, or super shorty for secondary’s?

[tacit sphinx]

tbf those are in portal, at some point i can see them porting guns from portal and giving them 2042 attachments

[fervent grotto]

Yea but I wanna see them in the main game

I want a semi auto shotty. Ooo and an ebr-14. Definitely some form of 1911

[arctic grove]

Best battlefield ever

[radiant prism]

I think the M45A1 was datamined

[tacit sphinx]

isnt the keratos the rhino

[fervent grotto]

Yes

I want it

[tacit sphinx]

but yeah m45a1 is in the files i think, more sidearms that are just handguns would be nice

[fervent grotto]

I also want a super shorty

Or maybe another Mare like the one from bf4

[tacit sphinx]

the glock is fun in burst but there's not many options

[fervent grotto]

The mp38 is dogshit and the revolver and Glock are the only good ones

Whatever that pistol with the stock and red dot is called

It would’ve made sense if it was like full auto but high recoil and a 15 round mag. But no, it’s awful

[tacit sphinx]

mp28 is pretty decent tbh, it's good when you treat it more like a pistol carbine (because it is)

or pretty much anyway

[uncut bay]

mp28 is really fucking good

[fervent grotto]

But why would I use it when I use my primary 3/4 the time anyway?

[uncut bay]

because it's useful at a far longer range than the glock, plenty of times i've had to switch and the enemy was either behind cover or just too far for the glock to do anything

[fervent grotto]

Only time I whip out my secondary is if my primaries a sniper and im cqc or if I run out of ammo in my mag

[tacit sphinx]

in which case it can function almost more like a secondary weapon than a sidearm

[fervent grotto]

But I don’t need it to be

[tacit sphinx]

like, gun is too long ranged to be effective at the current engagement range and being completely out of ammo is ideal circumstances to have something that has a bit more range and accuracy

[fervent grotto]

I need it to be my “oh shit” weapon

[tacit sphinx]

then take the one that works as an oh shit weapon lol

i'd rather have the mp28 as an oh shit backup gun than the m44 tbh

[fervent grotto]

Yea but there’s really no point for the MP because a secondary is not meant to be a primary

[tacit sphinx]

but you mentioned both the super shorty and the mare's leg lol

[fervent grotto]

Yea those are meant to be very niche

I would run the mares leg with an smg/assault rifle. And the super shorty with a sniper/dmr

[arctic grove]

Anyone up for a game later

[tacit sphinx]

they're still just. secondary options that are pretty much primary weapons in their own right

[rain basin]

Mare's leg oh no

[tacit sphinx]

like there definitely should be more typical backup guns, maybe the m9 and/or the mp443 as those are the current and likely future service pistols for the US and russia

but i don't think that means the mp28 is bad because it's a different genre of secondary weapon to the typical pistol

[rain basin]

Depends. What game

I can do BF4

[arctic grove]

I got 1 and 5

[rain basin]

5-1=4 So you have B4 nice

xD

[arctic grove]

Yeah I can get 4 though

[rain basin]

Hmm?

[arctic grove]

What you play on

[rain basin]

The one

Xbox One

[arctic grove]

Nice

[rain basin]

You speak English?

[arctic grove]

Yes I speak English and Russian

[rain basin]

👏

[torpid vortex]

I've got the review snipes, about to check the game

[arctic grove]

I can play later most likely comrade

[rain basin]

We'll see how I feel later if I wanna play with you or not. Cause it could change.

Yea not anytime soon. School

[arctic grove]

K I play 5 and 1 mostly anyway

[rain basin]

What is this?

[rain basin]

But like I said. I only have 4.

[glossy storm]

They still haven't fixed the bug with the muzzle of the gun showing in the scope?

Or is this just old footage?

[torpid vortex]

most competitive server in battlefield OG 2042 Maps

[rain basin]

Ahh. I just remembered. My mic doesn't work Tsar.

Don't think I need it right?

[arctic grove]

Yeah I don't use mine

Have just don't use it I just die if I die no need really to be revived

[rain basin]

Even better.

I revive and heal like crazy in metro

[arctic grove]

If we play ever don't mind saving me much

[rain basin]

If I do it's by habit

[arctic grove]

You a medic main

[rain basin]

Nope. Only on Metro

[arctic grove]

What your main

[rain basin]

Idek.

[arctic grove]

You play the game?

[rain basin]

Assault, engineer, Support, Recon correct?

[arctic grove]

Yes

I think

Give me battlefront 3

[thick copper]

lol

it will be the same as 2 just an extra map

[rain basin]

Support and Assult s my main class.

LMG are fun

[thick copper]

what we need is old republic, clone wars and OT battlefront

[arctic grove]

Assault I like the classics comrade

[rain basin]

Yea I do both mostly

[arctic grove]

Clone wars battlefront is perfect

[arctic grove]

I hate snipers though I suck with them

I can hit anything

I only played clone wars in battlefront

Rarely played OT and never played the sequels

But there’s one map in the sequels that was great

[thick copper]

i played ot when i felt like using the e-11

[arctic grove]

Cant argue with that

But fuck you dice battlefield 5 and 2 weren’t close to the end of their lifespan and you gave up

[thick copper]

they scrapped that starwars outlaws game

[arctic grove]

They did what….

Dice I will blow up your headquarters

[thick copper]

was a game where you play as criminals and you were going to do a heist in an open world experience and it got scrapped

[arctic grove]

I was so hyped for that

[thick copper]

at least we have fallen order 2

[arctic grove]

Is respawn working on fallen order 2

[thick copper]

yeh which is why its alive

[arctic grove]

Oh sick when’s that coming out again

This is for battlefield comrades not battlefront

[thick copper]

if it were dice it be dead by now

[arctic grove]

Or star wars

[arctic grove]

All due respect I would just be shit talking battlefield

[tacit sphinx]

1313 wasnt a dice project lol

[thick copper]

he says previously talking about metro

[tacit sphinx]

and also most projects that get canned are because of the publishers not the developers

[arctic grove]

I’m going to make a dis rack on dice

[thick copper]

clogg all the toilets in the dice building ;)

[arctic grove]

Plants nova 6 in all of the vents

[thick copper]

is that the toxic gas from 3?

[tacit sphinx]

that said i'm fairly sure swbf2 only really survived as long as it did because disney basically told ea to keep it going, i'm sure they were ready to drop support a lot earlier because it did not go well for quite a while

[thick copper]

perhaphs disney needs to revive its gaming side and take away the starwars licensing from ea and continue that way

[radiant prism]

Because we want to give Disney more exclusive control over Star Wars?

[thick copper]

they already control it dingus

they OWN LUCASFILMS

[arctic grove]

It was from bo1

[radiant prism]

I know, I'm just saying as long as its under Disney its going to continue being mediocre lmao

[tacit sphinx]

point completely missed lol

[thick copper]

better than dogshit trash

[arctic grove]

I feel dice is the perfect developer just they refuse to care

[thick copper]

old dice was good the new dice isnt

[arctic grove]

I don’t want a cod type Star Wars game

[tacit sphinx]

also ea doesn't have exclusivity anymore, but the only game announced so far that isn't EA that im aware of is eclipse which is currently set to be released in 2027/28 if at all lol

[arctic grove]

Yep

[radiant prism]

Mandalorian and Clone Wars final season were really the only good things they've released recently. Maybe Rogue One, but even that fell flat for a few people.

[thick copper]

bunch of neutral hipsters

[arctic grove]

Exactly

[thick copper]

"I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me."

[arctic grove]

I feel they were close to perfection with battlefront 2 if they had a 3rd chance with destructible environments it could be great

[velvet sand]

Well, DICE did pitch a Battlefront 3 and was apparently turned down by EA.

[river burrow]

okay, the crosshair turning on the grappling gun to indicate reachability is definitely new. There was no indicator for since launch😂

[tacit sphinx]

my ideal battlefront game would effectively be much closer to star wars: battlefield

[radiant prism]

Its been there since the open beta lmao

[arctic grove]

Does EA hate money

[tacit sphinx]

literally lol

[thick copper]

ideal battlefront would be multilayer maps, with old republic era

[arctic grove]

I would say clone wars

[tacit sphinx]

the gameplay reveal had it

[velvet sand]

Based on the performance of 2042, yes. Based on the performance of FIFA and Apex, no.

[thick copper]

old republic is far better, on the basis that republic troopers were more brutal, and there were far more sith about in battle

[arctic grove]

They just hate themselves

[thick copper]

commandos without hesitation would just punch sith

[velvet sand]

I was sadly hoping for the specialist "feedback loop" thread today but I guess it'll be coming a month after DICE said it was going to. At least they're still consistent in failing to meet their own self-imposed deadlines.

[arctic grove]

I don’t really want to be a Jedi or sith in that I want to be a soldier

I strait up just want battlefield in Star Wars

[velvet sand]

Space magic in Star Wars sucks. The more interesting stories are usually focused on non-force users IMO.

[arctic grove]

Exactly

[thick copper]

kinda hard to get battlefield in clone wars when droids just march forward and shoot

[tacit sphinx]

yeah the whole heroes stuff gets old because infantry ends up as the stat boosters for the hero power creep

[radiant prism]

I really liked Fallen Order personally

[weak coral]

FOR THE REPUBLIC!!!!!

[thick copper]

He says as everyone is hyped for OBI-WAN

[velvet sand]

I still need to play that, think I got it from Amazon for free at some point.

[radiant prism]

But for that same reason, I also really liked Rogue One since it really didn't do much stuff with the force

[lusty kindle]

Where new Battlefield 2042 update ?

[arctic grove]

They could just make them as mobile it doesn’t have to be completely accurate

[velvet sand]

EXCEPT DONNIE FUCKIN YEN BEING A BLIND BADASS

[radiant prism]

As someone who like exclusively plays FPS games...I fucking loved it

[radiant prism]

Yeah...but that was just cool. :p

[arctic grove]

It was really refreshing

[thick copper]

sith empire troopers and republic troopers are the best fit for a star wars battlefield game

[tacit sphinx]

force users who aren't just jedi/sith are cool

[velvet sand]

Imperial Storm Troopers being perfect since their aim is already bad enough for ye-average FPS player : D

[thick copper]

grey jedis or dark jedis

[arctic grove]

I want more aerial combat in battlefront

[tacit sphinx]

no

[thick copper]

they are force users that are no longer in any society

[tacit sphinx]

the force isn't just a thing that goes with people who use lightsabers of various good/evil/neutral orientations

[thick copper]

greys believe the force is the force, there is no dark or light to it

[tacit sphinx]

the whole thing is that it's everywhere and there are plenty of non jedi/sith force sensitives, eg chirrut imwe

[thick copper]

there are old republican jedi and before that which dont use lightsabres

Jedi Master Fay never used a light sabre

[arctic grove]

I want a like Normandy game mode in a game like battlefield

[radiant prism]

So....BFV Breakthrough on Iwo Jima?

[thick copper]

hell let loose has a beach landing map

[arctic grove]

They push from the beach while one side holds position

[tacit sphinx]

those are more interesting than just "oh this is the new good guy :) and a new bad guy >:(" because it actually shows that the universe does have some worldbuilding to it and the force is an all present thing not some ability that a few people can use

[lavish warren]

Anyone else that doesn't have the start-of-game announcer narration when you're sitting in the deploy menu anymore, it got removed for me last update I think?

[radiant prism]

Literally BFV breakthrough on Iwo Jima

[arctic grove]

Well is there that in 2042

[thick copper]

problem with iwojima is that you can cap half the beach before needing to progress if you take that away so they have to march up the whole beach its better

[radiant prism]

Not with a beach, not yet at least. There's breakthrough though which is in a very similar vein. One side holds, the other pushes

[thick copper]

and take the ridge then continue it make it bloodier

[arctic grove]

I just want mass death for the invaders but they get more lives

Gtg doing work

[thick copper]

u might like hell let loose then

[radiant prism]

Problem is, thats generally not fun for the attackers. Balance has to be considered

[thick copper]

attackers get tanks

[radiant prism]

But not every attacker, in any balanced scenario only a handful of attackers will have tanks while the rest are stuck on foot

If it was a PVE mode it might be decent, but Breakthrough is about as good as it gets there IMO

[thick copper]

if u want a game where everyone is a tank
literally war thunder and world of tanks is there for you

[radiant prism]

Yeah, but thats a little different lol. I'm talking infantry here like I think chief was

[river burrow]

Is this what I'm getting now: 🌍 🧑‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀 ?

[thick copper]

army comp is also dependant on the map too

if you have an open map and have a ton of troops and a few tanks then the tanks are going to have a field day

if you have a city map with troops and tanks then the tanks wont

[lofty nymph]

are we getting new content before or after the next bf?

[velvet sand]

"early summer", that's all we know

[lofty nymph]

which year

[radiant prism]

This year

[lusty kindle]

Hmm maybe september?

[radiant prism]

As in, next month or so

[lusty kindle]

Like alsoondan in BF V

[full burrow]

please let us remove at least one map from search

[cyan trout]

Pretty sure they haven't met their own time frames yet. Probably be in August.

[fervent grotto]

Wow that’s so awesome

[cyan trout]

Is it?

[fervent grotto]

This game is amazing

[zenith crest]

Have they added anything new since launch yet?

[lusty kindle]

No

[zenith crest]

ofc they haven't

[lusty kindle]

Only few white skins and charms

[radiant prism]

They've fixed a lot of bugs and improved the state of the game, but not much playable content yet. Season 1 is slated to start soon

[fervent grotto]

Besides bug fixes and skins no

Your lack of content is… disturbing

[lusty kindle]

White skins ;P

[full burrow]

they changed the scoreboard thats about 3 months worth of news right there

[fervent grotto]

I stg if this season gets setback to September I’m giving up on this game

[cyan trout]

Soon-ish

[lusty kindle]

Its only 7 months without any new content

[zenith crest]

I unlocked literally everything within 2 weeks of launch and honestly haven't touched the game since, I just want any form of content so I can try the game again

[radiant prism]

Soon™️

[radiant prism]

Go for T1s

[zenith crest]

tbh I don't like any of the T1 for the classes I like and the T1s I do like are for shit characters like the wingsuit bitch

[radiant prism]

Then go for gun T1's

Or just rep the tokens on your card, that's what I'm doing

I basically don't use T1 skins lol

Even though most of my specialists are T1 by now

Actually scratch that only half of my specialists are T1

Also if you haven't played since shortly after launch...Breakthrough has gotten a lot better, its REALLY fun now. They messed with the balancing a lot and its really fleshed it out a bit more

[zenith crest]

tbh I've just been avoiding playing 2042 because seeing it makes me sad, especially considering the game I played growing up the most was BF3

[radiant prism]

Rooftop objectives were removed a long time ago, and the helicopter spam is much less troublesome

[zenith crest]

You mean something that should've been removed before launch finally got through to the devs?

[velvet sand]

I keep hearing this but it's never been my experience. Every Breakthrough match I've played for the past few weeks has been on defense only, never attack. Usually on the same two maps. And more often than not spawning in halfway+ through the match while we're losing.

[velvet sand]

I'm still genuinely curious how those rooftop points made it through a single internal playtest.

[zenith crest]

Because "Muh hover can reach them"

[cyan trout]

What is there to do if you don't care about T1 anything? Or skins? Or cards?

[velvet sand]

Fantastic example of DICE either not playing 2042 during development, or having such wildly different goals/experiences/expectations than the general playerbase.

[velvet sand]

Wait for new content if you're not otherwise enjoying the game currently.

[cyan trout]

🤙

[radiant prism]

People say all this stuff like people don't play BF4 at rank 140 to this day. If you stop thinking about things in terms of numbers and start thinking about "am I having fun", your game experience in most games improves massively

[zenith crest]

There's a lot of shit that they that countered everything a lot of the diehard fans wanted

[radiant prism]

But thats fair I guess

[cyan trout]

But only if you're having fun. In which case yes.

[radiant prism]

I mean I unlocked everything I cared about a long time ago, I've just had fun grinding T1s and just exploring different loadouts and playstyles. Did the same thing in BFV and BF1 before that

[mental cave]

when was season 1 expected?

[radiant prism]

Expected June, I believe

[solar tinsel]

The current estimate? Is "Summer"

[wide shore]

I enjoy T1’ing stuff. But once I finish T1’ing the SMGs I don’t think I’ll care anymore about it. Just start using guns I like instead.

[mental cave]

oof ok thanks

[wide shore]

“Early summer”

[radiant prism]

I've heard June alot, but there's also an updated slated for this month

[velvet sand]

Summer starts mid-June, so "early summer" in DICE terms probably goes from mid-July to mid-August.

Because "early april" = april 20ish according to DICE

[zenith crest]

ngl, Dice kinda killed 2042 for me when they went on a spree of nerfing and buffing shit beyond balance

[solar tinsel]

I still to this day can't fathom how a game billed as "live service" this time around has had a less steady content stream than literally 2005's BF2.

[zenith crest]

Like the Bizon being the best gun in the game because it would out DPS anything and out range anything or when they had an anti material rifle that would kill any vehicle in 3 shots

[radiant prism]

Hmm, its almost like the standard of development has increased exponentially since 2005

[velvet sand]

Failed leadership/management. Poor planning. Worse and worse development tools over time as the engine gets more complex and prone to breaking.

[solar tinsel]

and dev team sizes

[radiant prism]

Both of those were nerfed ages ago.

[solar tinsel]

I still have a bit of fun but only if I limit myself to like a few matches a week: and I've been enjoying really only moreso thanks to Flashback Conquest which is ***kind ***of like getting new content, although they should have added those maps in AoW to begin with!

[zenith crest]

It's still disgusting that it went on for literal months before anything was truly done about it

[wide shore]

Probably cause they need to fix the base game before doing any DLC stuff.

[radiant prism]

It went on for a month or two at best.

[solar tinsel]

Perhaps, but don't map designers do mostly strictly that? Make maps? Not necessarily fix gameplay bugs

[wide shore]

Yeah. But they’re not gonna release stuff for a broken game. They learned that lesson with BF4

[zenith crest]

My memory of 2042 is random bullet spread and getting cross mapped by an SMG so I guess I might be a little biased against that

[wide shore]

RBS basically doesn’t exist anymore.

[solar tinsel]

Well then they better load up S1 with a good number of maps. I know it will be less than 4 maps, but in all reality it should be 4

[radiant prism]

Oh yeah, they also really improved spread. I definitely remember what you were talking about, but the spread has been toned waaaaay down.

[zenith crest]

It honestly shouldn't have been added in the first place, BF1 didn't even have it

[velvet sand]

Literally 1 map confirmed only, they may surprise us but don't hold your breath.

[wide shore]

I agree it should be. But it probably won’t be.

[solar tinsel]

I imagine it will be 1, maybe 2

[radiant prism]

PFFFF nah...BF1 had the worst RBS

[wide shore]

BF1 still has it to this day, wym

[radiant prism]

I can't stand BF1 to this day because of how bad its spread is

[zenith crest]

Maybe I'm thinking about BFV then

[wide shore]

Yeah BFV didn’t have it. It was part of the marketing. Lol

[radiant prism]

BFV didn't have much spread yeah.

[zenith crest]

I didn't really play too much of the prehistoric battlefield games tbh

[radiant prism]

Fair enough

[solar tinsel]

In this day and age, spread should be absolutely minimal and really just be a way to gate certain weapon ranges so you can't go toe to toe with a DMR with a SMG in semi.

Back in the day I think it was used as an alternative to recoil, if you want a laugh at spread watch BF2 (which admittedly I loved)

but literally if you held down fire your shots would land OUTSIDE of your scope

not the dot, literally outside the scope itself

[zenith crest]

RBS is a horrible idea in any major FPS that isn't shit like CSGO where you move and you miss

[radiant prism]

I do think BFV has the best gunplay in the series. Guns were accurate at all ranges, but the way damage worked made sure guns only really ever operated effectively inside their intended ranges without making them completely useless outside of them

[solar tinsel]

well: spread always factors in some way, and should. For example, it can be used as a movement penalty, or a reward for certain stances. I dont believe all shots should be 100% lasers

It just needs to be minimal, and at launch it was too high-impact

[zenith crest]

Having predictable spray patterns is honestly a 10x better alternative than random

[radiant prism]

Yeah, agreed. Glad its been fixed now, there aren't really any guns I'd consider to be lasers

[tacit sphinx]

yeah the gunplay feels pretty solid generally now

[radiant prism]

Overall...the game hasn't pulled a no mans sky or anything, but considering where it started, DICE has made some really solid steps in the right direction. Still a long way to go, but we're heading the right way, if maybe a bit slow.

[solar tinsel]

Agreed, I'm just worried the content stream will be insufficient

[radiant prism]

Me too, but only time will really tell.

[tacit sphinx]

i think there is still spread/the accuracy stat which is not super clear what it relates to specifically but across the board it feels pretty minimal, generally feels like a movement penalty thing

[hearty flame]

If the content stream is like v it'll be slow. But hey theres ripple and portal to buff it out

[velvet sand]

It can't pull a "NMS" because DICE is a studio of 700ish people (including non-development staff) and Hello Games is like...a dozen people. So Hello Games doing the work they've done to turn the game around and put out sizable updates regularly despite their small size (and working on other projects) is insanely impressive. DICE doing "400+ FIXES!" for their first patch in 4 months for a deeply busted game is...yeah it's a big number, but not exactly impressive for a studio of that size, either.

[radiant prism]

The recent changes to attachments have really changed how moving penalties work too

[velvet sand]

In that they finished the quarter-made weapon mod system they didn't have done for launch : P

Weapon mod system was clearly incomplete at launch.

[radiant prism]

I just used the term as a general term to describing starting really low and making a massive, game changing comeback. Wasn't mean to be looked too far into lmao

[solar tinsel]

The conversation about spread is often too far diluted to be held in casual conversations like on Discord:

There's the base accuracy of the weapon (both hip and ADS), there's the reduction in accuracy when moving or changing stances, there's the RATE of accuracy reduction while firing, and then the rate at which it returns.

It too often gets rolled into the conversation of "spread" or "bloom" without not much understanding of what's going on under the hood. Still, people were right to notice when it "felt" off

It's hard for me to pinpoint, but early it felt like specifically how much the accuracy reduced as a penalty for firing seemed too high which is why weapons like ARs felt pretty bad

I agree with the sentiment that "firing based penalties" should be handled more strictly with recoil as opposed to spread

[tacit sphinx]

i mean yes but also considering the only attachments that were changed past like minor tweaks were a few foregrips i think it's a bit more than a quarter, felt more like they went with the bf4 reskinned attachment system maybe with the thought in mind to change it up a bit later once they got a feel of how people used the attachments

[solar tinsel]

But spread is useful for defining those other aspects like penalties for moving or changing stance

[velvet sand]

Foregrips and barrel attachments were all redundant - 2x of each type of attachment, with a surprising number having the wrong "tooltips" explaining what they even did and many seemingly not functioning at all for months following launch.

[tacit sphinx]

yeah that's true, it's quite often the case of a few things not really being fully understood but also it definitely does feel a lot better now

[solar tinsel]

For sure, like I said I can't say for sure, but I ***think ***it's because they made the accuracy reduction penalty too big for firing.

Now that seems mostly gone or at least minimal

[tacit sphinx]

yeah i think it was labelled as bugged (and it was fixed very quickly considering if it was intentional you'd then have to go through every weapon individually and tweak the stat) so i wonder if they added an extra 0 or forgot a . somewhere

it def still felt present on some guns like the DMRs if you fired too quickly, almost to bf1 levels of missing a guy 20m away from you because you didn't wait for long enough between shots but those were massively improved in 4.0

the dm7 is so nice to use now

[solar tinsel]

I've been enjoying it! Especially now that the attachments make a bit more sense

I still think my more recent uptick in enjoyment has been thanks to Flashback Conquest though

mostly because, those maps are just better - and now you can progress with your 2042 gear and specialists while playing them

I used to come to the defense of 2042 maps saying they were more like the older, BF2-era maps, and that's true, but what I didn't expect was that sort of worked in BF2 ***BECAUSE ***of the shit accuracy of the weapons. It meant you had a bit more time to reposition after being shot.

In 2042 you don't (at least not anymore) since gunplay is more modernized, so the lack of objects and cover is more detrimental than it was back in the day

After going back and playing the Portal maps though, so refreshing

[radiant prism]

Honestly, I noticed extremely minimal difference in gameplay between the portal maps and the 2042 maps.

[velvet sand]

Wat : |

[tacit sphinx]

in my experience it's kinda yeah, there is still less cover on 2042 maps but also there's quite a lot of open space on the portal maps (and not just el alamein)

[solar tinsel]

In hotspots I just felt there was more to work with thanks to the additional structures

[velvet sand]

There is, but it's more balanced. In that the more open areas allow you to get from one part to another more quickly but at higher risk. There are multiple channels/lanes for infantry to use to be able to move to a location a bit less directly but with a lot more safety/cover.

[tacit sphinx]

arica harbour for example is a good map and the objectives tend to feel a bit more built up but some of the in between areas can still feel a bit like there's a bunch of angles that you're very exposed to

[solar tinsel]

I also think a large issue 2042 has is not even so much "cover" but lack of a natural map-flow based on their flag layouts

While Im saying you can't have open symmetrical maps, they dont always need to be, and some of the best maps in BF history have some sort of natural directional flow

it gives a semblance of a "frontline" so you get shot in the back less, and rewards the sneaky squad for flanking

[arctic grove]

Ok I’m back

[tacit sphinx]

tbf part of it is that i don't really play conquest anyway, i much prefer the gameplay of breakthrough so i think a lot of the common complaints come from conquest

[velvet sand]

Sneaky squad flank? Psh, just play non-binary squirrel and jump off a 10 foot ledge so you can fly across the map.

[arctic grove]

I don’t even like the core gameplay

Maps are too big and dull

[haughty raft]

It just occurred to me that there are barely any trees in this game on any of the maps

[arctic grove]

All the maps are baron and bad

Even if you look beyond the bugs glitches and specialists it’s not good

[velvet sand]

There are a handful of them on some maps. Though hilariously they're all broken. If you knock down a tree the trees hitbox remains, just invisibly. It's gotten me killed so many time shooting at an enemies head and hitting an invisible tree that's been knocked over.

[arctic grove]

The rag doll physics are the worst I’ve ever seen

[haughty raft]

Don’t get me started

It’s like when you kill someone a thick layer of wax covers their body

[solar tinsel]

yeah between the lack of a flow and lack of cover thats what results in the less rewarding gameplay.

I think thats why I feel B1/B2 in Discarded is fun because there is a natural direction between the two flags, and there is a good amount of cover especially at B2

[arctic grove]

And they’re on the moon

[solar tinsel]

but then you dont get that in most other sections of most maps

[arctic grove]

And the sandbox is the smallest out of nearly all the past battlefields

[haughty raft]

I know people don’t like discarded but I think it’s the best map by far, or rather the lesser of all evils

If it had just a little more TLC it could be a decent map

[solar tinsel]

I like it, and I think it's because there are at least some pockets of interesting map flow, and those areas also have some decent cover. PLUS there are less obtuse vehicle paths between the more remote flags

It reminds me of the best case scenario of an open-style map, a la what you'd see in BF2, etc.

and on the other side you have Hourglass which has awful mapflow, no cover, and obscure vehicle progression

[fervent grotto]

Yea maps are 100% to big

[haughty raft]

I know BF4 maps got a lot of shit at launch because rather than real life locations they were more like set pieces but I think that gave them way more creative liberty

Like you can’t put trees in breakaway because it’s based on Antarctica

[solar tinsel]

And yeah I think we're seeing more and more that sometimes less destructible buildings and setpiece structures at least provide a map with some sort of heart and map design

Ironically 2042 has neither most times 😆

[next onyx]

@tacit sphinx You been using the LCMG mate?

[tacit sphinx]

decent bit yeah, it's sitting at mastery t2 atm

[solar tinsel]

Still, the better spots of 2042 typically tend to be around those set pieces that have some sort of identity

[next onyx]

Fair enough,

I've got it tier 1. Short barrel works wonders.

[limber grove]

way pass the jenkem

[next onyx]

Close combat is a good ammo cause fast as hell reload and fire rate. But standard has a good range.

[fervent grotto]

Yea because their the only places that are interesting. Rest is either open plains or some random trees

[radiant prism]

I think I would love to see more fortifications and cover in some places

[tacit sphinx]

i think my build for it is the bcg grip, extended standard belt, and the warhawk compensator

[haughty raft]

I wish I could speak more for the open sandbox maps but I’ve always gravitated towards CQC maps. I think an example of a huge map done right from the series is Bandar

[next onyx]

Ahhh fair. I've used the straight moving grip with smoke grenade launcher.

[tacit sphinx]

and then just like whichever optic lol

[velvet sand]

Whoa now, why on earth would you want DICE to take a system like the fortification system from BFV and improve it? When they could just toss out their old, good work and start from scratch.

[tacit sphinx]

xdr holo works pretty nicely on it imo

[next onyx]

Im gonna try to get the AP grenade launcher. It's really good cause it might be half the damage of an m5 but it's great for that tiny bit of damage.

[solar tinsel]

And that is another fair point. Even though BF2 had lots of large empty maps, it ALSO had CQC maps, and 2042 virtually has none.... maybe you could argue Manifest but even then it doesn't have the exact same feel due to running distance between points

[radiant prism]

Like particularly the glacier on Breakaway bugs me. There's ZERO cover, so I'd love to see trenches up there or something to give it more viability for defense, like particularly on Breakthrough

[tacit sphinx]

if you use the sfar, imo the AP grenade is the best option on it

[next onyx]

Yeah i have that primarily set.

[radiant prism]

I use AP, HE, and Inc

[next onyx]

It pains me how that guns performs but it's just... gun could be better.

[fervent grotto]

Yea they better add cqc maps bruh

[haughty raft]

I think the iceberg on Breakaway needs to become a minefield.. nothing up there for anyone except maybe snipers

[radiant prism]

Breakthrough pretty much fixes the CQC issues IMO

[solar tinsel]

If they had the time, I think you could "write in" lore-wise that various NoPat factions have established bases of operations and have setup more structures in existing maps

[fervent grotto]

I’m tired of running 100 miles just to cap a point or to die

[next onyx]

My main issue is that since you cannot use under barrels there's no way to fix its accuracy and its sucks.

[radiant prism]

Also since they're looking at adding more military installations to maps, I think its something we'll hopefully see more of in the future

[tacit sphinx]

it sounds like they are working to put more military structures in the existing maps, little camps on kaleidoscope etc

[haughty raft]

2042 needs a map like Zavod 311

[fervent grotto]

Not really. There’s still tons of open space between points

[next onyx]

C5 works like a charm.

Dr have you given it a go?

[radiant prism]

But on the points themselves, things are fantastic

Long as you avoid open areas, you're fine

[fervent grotto]

I want an operation underground type map

[next onyx]

Considering how this games run. You always need AT which is annoying.

[haughty raft]

I don’t think I could handle another Metro remaster lol

[next onyx]

I'd just want a conjoined Rotterdam x devastation Map.

[tacit sphinx]

yeah was my main gadget for a bit, i tend to use the m5 for AT now but c5 is arguably better especially with boltes still going ham every other match

[haughty raft]

Like at least bring Locker back

[next onyx]

Imagine how awesome that'd be.

[fervent grotto]

Yes because people are forced to be on the points. That’s not an excuse. We need a cqc map badly

[next onyx]

And it's damage output too dr.

But yeah..

Bolte just needa revision

[solar tinsel]

Or, the REAL "OG" Metro, before Metro....

Iron Gator baby

Im kidding we shouldnt bring that one back

[tacit sphinx]

i think once they move it into the armour category the bolte will be fine

[fervent grotto]

Just add more debri and identity to the map

[next onyx]

Yeah I wouldn't even mind if it were a solo vehicle that took double engine up their engine.

[solar tinsel]

Agreed. I actually think the change with this for the Night Hawk was a huge improvement too

[velvet sand]

Even post nerf it remains one of the most obnoxious and garbage vehicles. The whole infantry vs. vehicle game in 2042 feels deeply frustrating all around for basically everyone involved.

[fervent grotto]

Please for the love of god I don’t care just as a random little army tent encampment

[next onyx]

Oh dude not getting raided by scout helie is a fucking God send.

[solar tinsel]

I'm honestly surprised they bothered to divide into classes, and didnt just limit it to X per vehicle, this way you always had all vehicles but never too much of one type

[next onyx]

Because the infantry vehicle experience is awful we're all vividly aware about that edge.

[solar tinsel]

Other BF games have done it this way right and it seemed to work

[haughty raft]

Oh so there’s an annoying bug with all vehicles, idk if anyone has experienced it. But say you’re on top of an enemy bolt while they’re driving, you can’t shoot them out because the momentum from the Bolte moving affects your bullets and they just fly away

[fervent grotto]

You have to run rockets otherwise you get touched by tanks. That’s why boomsticks from BFV are the best

[velvet sand]

Not so sure DICE is, or at least aware how deeply the whole system is fucked.

[tacit sphinx]

definitely, although it has kind of exposed the issues with the transport heli which i think we're all hoping they'll address in another patch

[fervent grotto]

They don’t care if they do know. If they knew they’d fix it

[next onyx]

That 50mm is a war crime.

[solar tinsel]

yeah the 50? Ha.

[velvet sand]

Air being literally the only effective counter to other air is a huge part of the problem.

[solar tinsel]

But thats the thing. GOOD. Let's balance the vehicles on their own merits, it goes to show HOW underutilized transport vehicles were.

[next onyx]

That's sorta been a thing since 5 sadly edge.

[tacit sphinx]

less so that specifically more just the sheer flying tank-ness of them and how many you can have but yeah the 50 is pretty powerful in the right hands

[next onyx]

To a lesser extent but your absolute best chance were your own fighters.

[velvet sand]

Since the last game? I mean, not long to be a trend and something that they could have put a priority on investing more time into solving...except they didn't and seemingly just made it all worse.

[tacit sphinx]

dont get me wrong i think it should be, but maybe tone it down a little and overall tone down the transports

[next onyx]

I wouldn't mind if there were a fliegerfaust v2.

Yeah maybe a single transport dr.

[solar tinsel]

For sure, it could benefit from a splash damage reduction

[fervent grotto]

Actually AA guns in BFV (mostly the pacific map ones) slam planes. Like it’s about 10 seconds till your a dead man

[next onyx]

Single transport heli but lots of cars that everyone can spawn in.

[tacit sphinx]

reduce their health/increase damage from ground weapons personally

[velvet sand]

Lord yes give us some remotely effective dumbfire AA weapons or something that's not the absolutely broken and useless Stingers.

[next onyx]

I did say best chance were your fighters.

Aa were powerful but that's a different story.

[solar tinsel]

Eh, I'd say transports should be more defensive than anything. If they become multikill death traps, nobody will want to use them

[velvet sand]

Like imagine...automated SAM sites on some maps where infantry could battle over them to get passive protection against air as long as they held them.

[fervent grotto]

Wait are the stingers legit broken? Cus I feel like mine never connect.

[next onyx]

"Only effective thing is air on air"
"Stingers are broken"

Passive aa is a good idea but that doesn't fix it.

[fervent grotto]

That is actually a good idea

[next onyx]

Mmm...

I didn't read that properly cause I can't right now.

Nvm sorry.

[velvet sand]

Feels like it. 40% of the time the lock "Breaks" after firing without the aircraft flaring. 40% of the time the lock holds but the missile just fucks off into nowhere for seemingly no reason. 10% of the time the pilot successfully dodges it, 10% of the time it actually hits.

[tacit sphinx]

the M5 would be pretty good against the main culprit of transport dominance, ie hovering above an objective and tanking all fire, except you need like 3 hits to take them out

[next onyx]

But yeah i wouldn't midn some weak flak just to get them to piss off.

Honestly Dr I wouldn't mind it if the m5 flew a bit faster.

And had a faster reload.

That's the part that sucks about it.

[tacit sphinx]

tbf buff the AA options on the wildcat, the dual cannons suck

[next onyx]

I'd give it a better angle and yeah less spread cause they SUCK at a range.

It would be cool if there were some flak hydra rockets.

[tacit sphinx]

i don't want a wirbelwind but a bit more than peashooters that overheat in 3 seconds would be nice

[next onyx]

God.

You know how much i would hate them haha.

The wildcat has a weird gunner option where the flak is quite good against air.

[tacit sphinx]

that should be default imo

[next onyx]

Secondary gunner option for the wildcat, encourage them to get close to helicopters and do massive damage.

You can keep the 30mm cannon as is but reduce spread, improve angle and you have a pretty good aa tank.

[next onyx]

Would be cool if stingers ignored height. So you could lock onto an orbit bomber.

[tacit sphinx]

honestly i think jets and helis should be their own categories especially if they add more planes

[next onyx]

Jets are over shadowed by helis.

And people who go jet are those wanting to grind out vehicle destroys.

[tacit sphinx]

they do kinda suck but at least they'd be a bit more usable/used if there was more often a slot for them

[solar tinsel]

I used to felt that way, when I was using the jets as what they used to be, air killers...

but now I use them as ground killers and they are pretty good for that haha

[next onyx]

Ironically those heatseekers maul helicopters.

But yeah they're pretty much the best anti tank but it's just that.

Boring planes.

[solar tinsel]

but I agree, a good heli pilot, even with a transport chopper, can really mess up jets

[velvet sand]

My kingdom for infantry-only modes to come to AOW with the start of S1.

[solar tinsel]

which seems a bit counter-intutitive. Jets had historically been key air killers

[velvet sand]

I know it won't, but holy crap it would be delightful to get away from the horrid infantry vs. vehicle balance overall.

[next onyx]

I mean there are stealth and attack jets in bfe.

Bf3.

They were both but balanced accordingly.

[solar tinsel]

Yeah Im surprised they got rid of the below radar behavior too

[next onyx]

A stealth jet could use Agms but were weak.

An attack jet could use heatseekrs but useless.

But yeah edge.

[solar tinsel]

Plus as a jet player I was a bit irked that progression was locked to destroys ONLY

kills or assists don't even count, and you cant get a "destroy assist"

[tacit sphinx]

yeah it's a pain

[next onyx]

The RU jet is pretty scuffed.

Cause it does its God damn job.

[tacit sphinx]

i went and grinded them in coop so that i have better gadgets to use in MP if i want to fly lol

[solar tinsel]

yeah it has a natural edge in the jet v. jet fight

I love the F35 as a ground killer, but if you get noticed by any halfway decent jet or heli pilot you're usually screwed

[tacit sphinx]

but really don't see myself getting to the higher mastery tiers, although i guess once you have the better anti ground weapons you can get a lot more vehicle destroys anyway

[next onyx]

The gimmick of the f35 isn't even good.

[solar tinsel]

Im surprised they left that much asymmetry in the jets. Just give the RU jet a VTOL option too ha

[next onyx]

It just means you're asking for a rocket.

Yeah.

[solar tinsel]

Ah nah I rock that gimmick all the time haha

[next onyx]

Thing is they prioritised that and made it purposely worse than the su 35.

[solar tinsel]

Thats what typically lets me erase tank after tank, again, until I get noticed.... and then yeah its like you said

[next onyx]

It's easier to be hit and run really.

[solar tinsel]

I think that was their intent, to "balance" the two, but the problem is it imbalances the jet v. jet interaction

[next onyx]

And the U.S doesn't really have a good reaction to that.

[solar tinsel]

Yes the F35 is better at just hanging back and slapping tanks, but once you get into a dogfight that Flanker is pretty much gonna win almost every time

I would have preferred if they made both jets symmetrical in that regard

[next onyx]

You don't really need to hang back that's the thing.

[solar tinsel]

thats the magic of future lore: "RU invented a VTOL jet"

[next onyx]

You're more safe hit and running than you are in hover mode cause a dude might loom up and send a rocket to you. :/

[tacit sphinx]

tbh i dont think i've ever really been in a dogfight that wasn't mostly one person repeatedly locking on and hoping they're out of flares

[next onyx]

Loom? Look.

Yeah I've relied on my guns but heatseekers seal the deal.

But aiming then is annoying.

The main gun.

[tacit sphinx]

especially in coop, those AI even on lower difficulties have some MLG unguided rockets

[next onyx]

LOL.

[solar tinsel]

ha true, although I find I tend to eliminate the vehicles quicker with hovering. It's a risk, but the spread on the cannons can be so bad, and I've found that at the end of the day if I'm flying around I still get spotted by a Flanker anyway. I will have to try a more mobile approach with the F35 and see how it goes

Next update is this month right?

[next onyx]

@tacit sphinx Oh yeah in due of jet talk I did a mistake.

Not sure about the update date.

I didn't see the heli I swear.

[solar tinsel]

Ha in your blindspot!

[tacit sphinx]

yeah pulling up behind a heli and entering vtol then just burning through their health before you switch out and get away can be pretty effective as long as they don't see you, the 25mms do do a lot of damage so it can work

[next onyx]

The cannons are powerful.

It's just awkward since it's a single gun not 4 of them.

I'd rather have damage divided if it meant I could have some leniency.

[solar tinsel]

have you found yourself preferring the 25 to the 30?

[tacit sphinx]

when i was just grinding bots a fun strat was going into vtol at a decent height and just shredding latvs

[next onyx]

The bots are more courageous than actual players it's fucked.

[tacit sphinx]

i dont have the 30s tbh, i cheesed the alternate missiles and went "yeah i'll get the cannon upgrade in multiplayer with these" and then rarely get the opportunity to use the jets lol

[solar tinsel]

gotcha

[tacit sphinx]

30s might be better for that vtol strat since you're relying on heavy burst damage, vs 25s when you're flying much more mobile

[hidden sand]

Wish the bots would actually revive though, that would be a nice touch

[next onyx]

30's can also hit heavier armour.

Not much but it helps.

[next onyx]

I'm more likely to get revived by a bot more than some actual Boris bot who lays on his belly using the PKP who can't for the life of him look behind.

That's bad things are here lol.

[tacit sphinx]

i've received a decent amount of revives from bots, they seem to be more cautious overall but i guess i'd prefer a cautious revive than either rambo revive while i'm trying to skip because there's a tank 20 feet away or being completely ignored by someone running about as angel

[next onyx]

Have you used bf3 defibs dr?

In portal.

They're actually kinda comfy.

It's weird to say.

But yeah it's weird going from one game where everyone spammed smoke and this one it's not done lol.

[tacit sphinx]

i’d be more inclined to use smokes if they were more like bfv smokes

[next onyx]

Instant and easy to use yeah.

[tacit sphinx]

the throwables are pretty small and the underbarrel launchers even worse, it’s like a puff of smoke that obscures view for like 2 seconds and dissipates

[next onyx]

It's really what's the point?

Give grenades more a reason to be used and maybe have the underbarrels half of it since you don't really sacrifice anything for an under barrelled launcher.

Make it good but not too good that kinds thing.

It was weird seeing bots use it on the beta too.

[plush lotus]

If I’ve been gone on a deployment and if they haven’t released season 1 by the time I get back within 3 months that is the most pathetic shit I’ve ever seen

I’ve been gone since Jan…

[velvet sand]

They delayed S1 to "Early summer" to fix their buggy, unfinished game.

[fervent grotto]

The BFV smoke grenades were actually good. That’s the only game I run smoke in. The rest is sticky grenades or regular frags

[plush lotus]

Pathetic

[tacit sphinx]

ok

[velvet sand]

DICE Quality(TM)

[loud flower]

does anyone know why I cannot use the extended standard issue mags on the MP9 even though I got it to mastery 12

[tacit sphinx]

probably just need to play another match or restart the game

[velvet sand]

Still seems to be a fair number of bugs related to unlocking attachments.

[loud flower]

I restarted the game already

shows 360/360 kills required but it's still locked

whatever

[tacit sphinx]

yeah i’d play another match or something in that case, chances are it’ll sort itself out

[copper elk]

I really need to upgrade jets. I never use them

I’ve got just over a 5:1 K/D in this game because of the Nightbird, lol

[silk surge]

Would be nice for DICE to say at least something about season 1. We're almost 1 month away from 'early summer'.

[velvet sand]

We'll hear everything the night before it goes live, as is the DICE MO as of late.

[silk surge]

They probably will do things a bit differently considering that it will be their first actual content drop.

I'm hoping for a good trailer to get the hype back up.

[velvet sand]

Somehow I don't have any confidence DICE can have information ready sooner than the day before the update given all their handling of 2042 since launch.

[haughty dagger]

Just waiting for the specialist feedback loop we’re going to get. Then see the explosion from some people is going to be funny.

[silk surge]

I'll be pretty disappointed if Season 1 follows the same pattern. They gave themselves several extra months to work on this.

[velvet sand]

They're gonna be a month late on their target kickoff for that by the time they do it, lol.

[silk surge]

Pretty insane that specialist feedback loop hasn't started yet. I don't even remember when the latest feedback loop ended.

[astral grove]

When the update for bf2042 ? Thought there was update for may?

[loud flower]

okay now the game is trolling me
I unlocked a mag for the MP9 I probably wasn't gonna use so I didn't really mind waiting til it got fixed
but why the fck is the repair system of the recon truck locked even though it told me it got unlocked earlier and I even equipped it midgame

[velvet sand]

Because the game is still buggy as heck despite 400+ fixes in the last update.

[fervent grotto]

Is early summer! This shit is sad!

[velvet sand]

Don't be sad, that's just how it works out sometimes.

Those cringe lines are gonna follow DICE for a while.

[fervent grotto]

Yea this game is asscheeks rn ngl

[honest comet]

can u guys stop cryin allready lol

[velvet sand]

Don't be sad, that's just how it works out sometimes.

[honest comet]

like im not sad, im not the one cryin lol

many games from dice were mess at start and later loved by all

[velvet sand]

I'm not overconfident, I'm just better than everyone else.

[honest comet]

idk what u are, bu u defo are crybaby

[velvet sand]

What a time to be alive!

[honest comet]

gud for u!

[arctic grove]

A season 1 trailer of some sorts would be nice😔

[honest comet]

it will happen, just relax 🙂

[tacit sphinx]

it would, i imagine we’ll get one closer to the time

[fervent grotto]

I’m about 3 months

[honest comet]

so what 🙂

[fervent grotto]

Or if it’s released sooner it’ll be rushed

[tacit sphinx]

makes more sense to show it off when you’re confident on a specific date, close to that date rather than like a month ahead when there’s still stuff that can change

[honest comet]

it will happen when it happens 🙂

[fervent grotto]

Stop over promising. Devs do that way to often

[velvet sand]

Honestly this speaks more to DICE's internal processes being fucked that they seem unwilling/unable to project anything out further than a week or so with any specificity.

[haughty dagger]

Summer doesn’t officially start until June 21st. Just a fyi.

[honest comet]

lol dude doesnt even know start of summer and wants to discuss

[fiery shoal]

not only that but "early summer" could easily be interpreted to june 21st till the end of july...

[arctic grove]

Some data miner said it could start on June 16th I think lol

[fervent grotto]

Like even give yourself extra time that way when you finish it might even look like you finished early

[tacit sphinx]

more that for stuff like a new season, there’s not much point showing it off way in advance. once you drop a trailer people tend to want it within like a week, trying to stretch the hype past that is kinda pointless because it becomes “ok why have you shown us this rn”

[fiery shoal]

whats funny about them delivering early?

[velvet sand]

Or based on DICE viewing "early April" as "April 19/20" that could very well push it until late July : 3

[haughty dagger]

The datamined stuff is when they currently have weekly missions going to. Those can be updated with another update to later.

[velvet sand]

That or we have a few weeks with no weekly cosmetic missions like we had previously.

[valid wolf]

Guys why was it called 2042

[valid wolf]

Why not another year

[honest comet]

bcs its set in that period

[tacit sphinx]

i do think there’s a certain irony in making your entire profile about how good another unreleased game is going to be and then going on about overpromising and hype

[tacit sphinx]

the first bf title was 1942, there’s also been 2142 so you can interpolate the missing link

[honest comet]

its cod kids @tacit sphinx

[haughty dagger]

Too much brain power required to make that connection.

[honest comet]

so annoyed that people who dont even own the game and play other franchise are commenting here

its just big lols

[velvet sand]

Yo, if I make my avatar a CoD avatar does that mean I play CoD and not BF or something?

[fervent grotto]

Well Mw2 hasn’t overpromised anything yet so not really ironic

[honest comet]

tht means ur a fan right?

[velvet sand]

Or I'm trolling/meming.

[fervent grotto]

You shouldn’t promise things you can provide. I don’t get why devs do that! Like why? It just makes your job harder!

[haughty dagger]

Your name is the game is gunna be fire yet we haven’t even seen anything other than the logo lol.

[honest comet]

well based on his answers he is not memeing or trolling cod

[fervent grotto]

I own BF2042

[honest comet]

lolz

whats ur acco name?

[fervent grotto]

Yea Im saying myself it’s gonna be fire. The last MW was good so I’m hoping this one will be

[velvet sand]

I don't believe you own BF2042 either. I'm gonna need your account name and password to verify.

[fervent grotto]

It’s in my description. It’s linked to my Xbox

[honest comet]

its ez just go stats and check crowarrior1

this edge has half brain lol

[velvet sand]

That could be any random person, not you specifically. Gonna need your account name and password to verify that you are in fact the owner of the account.

[honest comet]

ur not the brightest one arent ya

[velvet sand]

(I'm joking, because you seem upset that anyone who owns the game could like other franchises and/or be critical of the game)

[fervent grotto]

Why would I join a server about a game that I hate? I enjoy the game but holy shit it’s very wonky. I’ll play BFV any day

[honest comet]

its not about bein critical

its about sayin nonsense like sayin game is complete trash etc which is not true at all

[velvet sand]

It's a subjective opinion, yo. It can absolutely be true for the person stating it.

[honest comet]

well if we gonna be objective the game is not complete trash

[velvet sand]

Like, I think cheese in general tastes like absolute dogshit. Total ass. Can't fathom why anyone likes it. But that's a subjective opinion, and I don't get upset by cheese lovers to elaborate at great length about how incredible cheese is.

[honest comet]

and u know its not

ur just opposite of them tho

[velvet sand]

Who's talking about being objective? And if we want to make objective arguments, we can talk quite a bit about the continued problems and core design issues with the game that remain unaddressed for a AAA, full-priced game with 3+ support studios working on it 7 months post-launch.

[honest comet]

so makes it about same, every side can be extreme on their own ways

[velvet sand]

Good lord, don't both sides this. Just take the L because you got upset that some people have negative subjective opinions of the game and decided to accuse them of not owning it and liking another FPS franchise, as if people can't like competing franchises.

[fervent grotto]

Your wrong for that. Cheese is mwah (jk idrc)

[honest comet]

ur the one who came talkin crap so ur the frustrated one lol

[fervent grotto]

I mean I do like cod and I easily love it more than BF. But I also have fun on BF

[honest comet]

being delusional is not good for ur mental health

[arctic grove]

[velvet sand]

You gonna pay my therapy bills, broskito?

[honest comet]

like if u hate it just dont comment it and go play cod

and be happy

[fervent grotto]

I don’t hate it I like Bf

[arctic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/careful-fanboy-showing-gif-22671115

[velvet sand]

Or, we enjoy the BF franchise and want to see this game improve and are voicing our criticisms in an effort to help DICE improve the game in the longterm. Wild concept, I know. I hope you're sitting down while you read this.

[fervent grotto]

What can I say? I like fast paced action more. But BF is one hundred percent a fun franchise

[arctic grove]

I’m standing

[honest comet]

thats not helping when u say everything is trash cry cry cry

thats how games die

and thats what u want

[velvet sand]

So...you're not reading anything I type and are instead reading phantom posts with content you want to argue against. Cool cool, cool cool cool, cool, cool. Cool.

[honest comet]

im just commenting on what ya said, but tbh i dont really need to argue with ya, i want this game to succed and ik it will

its a good game,they allready fixed a lot in it and it will be gud later

[arctic grove]

[velvet sand]

I wish I had your optimism.

[tame plinth]

[honest comet]

tbh thats what this game needs, a bit optimism from the fanbase

[velvet sand]

Waiting for DICE to give us a reason to be optimistic.

[honest comet]

to motivate devs to make it great, also criticizm is gud ofc but also bit positive when they do something good to push them forward

like they really did fix a lot of stuff in the game

[velvet sand]

Wait...I thought them literally getting paid to do their job was all the motivation they needed. Do we need to be cheerleaders/emotional-support players too?

[fervent grotto]

[honest comet]

u goin to extreme again

both extremes are bad

find a middle

[velvet sand]

I'm not? I mean, I get paid to do my job and I do it. I don't need people cheerleading me on and telling me I'm doing a great job to be able to do my job.

[velvet sand]

Battlefield2042EnlightenedCentrism

[honest comet]

look it this way, if we all stop playin and say this has no hope they will never fix it bcs why waste time

if we all act normally and try to help them and encourage to not let it go then they wont let it go

[velvet sand]

Well...they did pre-sell Year 1 so they at least need to make that content or refund players so...

[honest comet]

they will make content and they stated that they will

[velvet sand]

Cool, then they don't need us cheerleading along for them to create they content they literally already sold us?

[honest comet]

ur goin to extreme, i never said cheerlead them

like dont twist the words, i just said a bit positive thinkin

and whats wrong with that

anyway we will see what happens 🙂

[sturdy patrol]

it won't*

[honest comet]

well we shall see 🙂

[sturdy patrol]

ofc we will

[honest comet]

u should relax a bit tho lol

so much hate isnt good for you

[loud flower]

yep, after the last MP9 attachment and the Recon truck's repair system, it's the M1A5's repair system and minigun's turn to be permalocked even though I clearly went beyond the kill grind limit

[velvet sand]

Game is perfect and amazing UwU (is this better?)

[loud flower]

fantastic game, it just works
amirite boys

[honest comet]

nah lol

[sturdy patrol]

you can't say that i'm hating just because i said that the game isn't gonna succeed.

[honest comet]

jez this ppl annoyin, just chill

[velvet sand]

My name is John Spartan and my calm is at maximum enhancement.

[honest comet]

okay its full on trash, wont make it and will always be crap

[sturdy patrol]

you're trying to make it worse, i didn't mean to hate or anything

[honest comet]

happy ? 🙂

[sturdy patrol]

m already chill

[honest comet]

awesome 🙂

[lone swallow]

ayo u look familiar @honest comet

[honest comet]

really? lol

[lone swallow]

have u ever been in the -mm clan in blitz? @honest comet

[honest comet]

yus 🙂

[lone swallow]

[honest comet]

when we finished 5th

[lyric flame]

I gotta admit BF2042 feels like hardline

[honest comet]

1 point from top 4

was in that pro team

[lone swallow]

yeah i remember

[lyric flame]

The maps, characters and playstyle

[tall yew]

Feels like an underrated gem? I got to agree

[honest comet]

dont play the game anymore tho

[lone swallow]

same

[lyric flame]

Battlefield 2042 is shit

[lone swallow]

most people in the clan don't play anymore either

[lyric flame]

but the gameplay of hardline is alright mediocre at best

its just meh

[tall yew]

Sounds like something a stupid liberal politician would say

[honest comet]

yeah i played for far too long tbh and like now i switched to other games, btw do u play on ps or? @lone swallow

[lyric flame]

You american?

[lone swallow]

i play 2042 on pc @honest comet

[honest comet]

we could squad up sometimes

[lone swallow]

[honest comet]

im on ps but i guess should be possible since its crossplay

how did this come to politics lol

[lyric flame]

Not really

[lone swallow]

[velvet sand]

Don't be sad, that's just how it works out sometimes.

[honest comet]

uf edge luvs ppl who hatin, u will be fine here haha

just kiddin 🙂

[lyric flame]

how is it edgy?

I just enjoy annoying people

its entertaining

[velvet sand]

Wow, that was easy.

[honest comet]

at least he is honest about intentions lol

respect ++

[lyric flame]

Why lie tho bro

whats the point, its easy to spot a lie

[honest comet]

exactly but some ppl like ones above wont admit they hatin lol

anyway imma just go play and chill and dont comment their nonsense anymore ^^

[dry wigeon]

this game is so depressing

[robust stratus]

Ong

[short oyster]

is it wanted or a bug that air vehicles can still use flares when they have been hacked?

[solid imp]

not wanted but also not a bug 🙂

[arctic grove]

When ses0 1?

[velvet sand]

Same as the last handful of times you asked, "early summer"

[arctic grove]

When early summer

[velvet sand]

You can keep repeating yourself and the answers aren't gonna change.

[arctic grove]

It's hot Already

Pls release ses0 1

[fiery shoal]

summer STARTS june 21st, but "early summer" could mean the first 1/3 of summer, which would last until the end of july

[arctic grove]

ok.

[solid imp]

the temp datamine would indicate june 16 but big grain of salt of course

[arctic grove]

Specialists suck big time tho and need a mad rework

Fk Specialists

[fiery shoal]

specialists are fine, open loadouts suck, and i think people think those are the same thing when they arent

[dry wigeon]

well maybe by 2024 well have some content

[fiery shoal]

(open loadouts dont objectively suck, i just dont like them and think they dont fit BF as well)

[dry wigeon]

they dont, wish they actually had the system like bf 4 with classes but no

[solid imp]

specialists make a lot of sense if HZ were more popular and I don't really mind them so much in AOW/Portal except that the gadgets pull the squad cohesion apart a bit more than anything else ever has before. That zipline and wingsuit take your squad fully out of reach.

[fiery shoal]

bf4 has closed loadouts, 2042 doesnt, thats separate from specialists...

[velvet sand]

Heh, I'm reverse. Hate specialists, like open loadouts.

[fiery shoal]

you could 100% take specialists and put them into bf4 now and not much would change except a player model and a gadget...

[solid imp]

I think this is closer to where I fall as well

But I don't hate the gadgets I just don't think they're settled in quite right

[dry wigeon]

ure dead wrong about that i think the specialist just ruins the whole experience u can play whatever gun gadget u want with whatever specialist u choose so why not run anghel and have infinite ammo so u can spam rockets and aa

[velvet sand]

Angel does it again!

[fiery shoal]

thats a problem with open loadouts, not specialists... again

[velvet sand]

No, that's specifically Angel's specialist kit that's the issue there. It's two+ gadgets in on - ammo resupply + armor - (plus the ability to call in the resupply for kit swapping/special ammo)

[fiery shoal]

"u can play whatever gun gadget u want with whatever specialist"
thats an open loadout complaint....

[velvet sand]

"so why not run anghel and have infinite ammo so u can spam rockets and aa"

[fiery shoal]

thats just an example...

[velvet sand]

That's highlighting how the problem is less focused on open loadouts and more on how the open loadout system interacts with specialist abilities. And also how specialist abilities interact with things like vehicles that make balance so difficult.

[fiery shoal]

he doesnt like that you can make that combination because of open loadouts, thats not because of specialists

at least assuming if it was a locked loadout system someone like angel wouldnt also have rockets and AA in their kit

[velvet sand]

And if the specialists didn't have skills, then picking the one that provides 2 gadgets as their specialist ability plus the ability to call in full resupply kits wouldn't be as much of an issue either : P chicken/egg

[dry wigeon]

no he wouldnt

its more of boris job than his but whatever also no new content after what 6 months? no maps?noweapons? nothing? pls,

[fiery shoal]

again... "u can play whatever gun gadget u want with whatever specialist" is an open loadout complaint.. thats just a fact

[velvet sand]

Ok, I guess we're talking past each other again so there's no real point in continuing as we're coming from different positions.

[fiery shoal]

if you decided to take a different position besides what he and i are talking about idk what to tell you...

im correcting his complaint to be more accurate, and youre just randomly only the sideline saying why specialists suck...

[wise island]

Hey I’m in need of some assistance lol

[arctic magnet]

BF204..Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[empty canyon]

no one playing infantry conquest?

[dry wigeon]

no

[wise island]

Anyone got any idea why I can’t equip my mastery for Irish? I’m mastery 5, I’ve completed the two outfits up to that point but they’re still locked…?

[silk surge]

Try restarting the game.

[wise island]

I’ve restarted 4 times, as well as my console 2 times.

[quiet shell]

I like how DICE announced they would be communicating far more with the community and having regular feedback sessions for 2042. But here it is over 2 months later and the most DICE has had to show for their "communication" after the map feedback is a promo image of a map change and permanent portal modes. Of course I'll make exceptions with individual DICE and EA members asking for feedback but when the full team has gone 2 months without a peep it just tells us that we were lied too.

[errant scarab]

I was wondering why the game was loading so slow until I installed it on an m.2 and the loading screens don't last more than 10 seconds.

[fiery shoal]

theres been 11 messages from BF in just 9 days...

[quiet shell]

Feedback for a portal mode

[fiery shoal]

goal post change...

[quiet shell]

Most people are waiting for the feedback on specialists

[quiet shell]

I didn't change the goal post. I literally said in my first statement that other than permanent portal modes and a promo for a map change the feedback communication has been radio silent

[fiery shoal]

theres 11 posts in just 9 days, not all of those posts are about those 2 things you pointed out...

[fiery shoal]

so dice has to talk about certain things to somehow "count" as communication?

[honest comet]

@fiery shoal this haters wont give up no matter what tho so its best to let them be lol

[quiet shell]

Again, DICE said their feedback sessions would be regularly occuring

[honest comet]

u can prove them wrong it doesnt matter bcs they want to cry

[quiet shell]

There's even a channel called the core feedback hub

and it hasn't been used in a month

[fiery shoal]

so more than 1 post a day isnt regularly?

[honest comet]

ur just wasting time on ppl like him lol

[fiery shoal]

core feedback hub is there to ask the community for feedback...

you dont even know what the channel is for

[quiet shell]

YES I KNOW. DICE told US they would use it every few weeks for more feedback

[honest comet]

nyphon just destroyed ya, i would stop @quiet shell

[fiery shoal]

but your original complaint is a lack of communication...

[quiet shell]

LACK OF COMMUNICATION BECAUSE DICE IS GOING THROUGH WITH WHAT THEY SAID

DO I HAVE TO MAKE IT SO A TODDLER CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING

[weak vector]

[fiery shoal]

you just keep changing what youre saying because youve been proven wrong...

[honest comet]

hes now even caps lock writeing, man this cod kids lol

[fiery shoal]

"they dont comunicate"
shows 11 tweets in 9 days talking about the game
"that doesnt count, besides i want speciliasts and feedback update"

[honest comet]

he doesnt want anything bcs he is here to just hate on bf series

[weak vector]

I hope there's no specialists in the next battlefield game

[fiery shoal]

id be fine with them as long as they bring back locked loadouts

[honest comet]

i agree

[weak vector]

Oh that would be interesting yeah

[honest comet]

i hope choppers would be little less effective in bf tbh

but nobody cried about that ever

but ppl cry when its foot soldiers lol

[weak vector]

Same, choppers were always kinda OP with the right pilot. Kinda too annoying

[honest comet]

u cant kill them bcs of flares, they have too many cover

only with lucky shots from non guided rockets

[placid echo]

A good player can make most things "op" in the eyes of other players

[weak vector]

I kinda wish javelin could ignore flares to an extent

[mental cave]

how do you shoot a chopper with the m5

[honest comet]

umm well i dont have issues with tanks but with choppers yeah

[placid echo]

A well placed shot

[honest comet]

shoots 50 rockets at ppl plus guns and has speed and flares