battlefield-2042

[hearty flame]

At the end of the day, its not how we consider dead that matters. Its EA and if they think its dead get ready for minimal investment

[ruby saffron]

Well the investors demand a turnaround according to the earnings call

[hearty flame]

Lol investors barely cared about 2042 in the call. 2042 was estimated to be 10% in 2021 and 5% in 2022

[ruby saffron]

They still wanted a commitment to stay with it

Sports games are EAs cash cow anyways

80%+ of the earnings they get from games come from fuckin sport games

[hearty flame]

I mean ea IS legally obligated to stand with it. but they wont even release sales numbers. they arent proud of it lol

[ruby saffron]

They call it a miss internally

[hearty flame]

and blamed it on infinite LOL

[ruby saffron]

However there are rumors of a plan to give it a soft relaunch come season one

[stone cradle]

You forgot Apex, that's their cash cow now

[forest snow]

if the year 1 content is solid and playcount slowly keeps creeping up could be a year 2

[hearty flame]

lol there hasnt been enough time for a soft relaunch. too many fundamentals baked in that people dont like

[lyric atlas]

i hope they soft relaunch it!!!

maybe that's what their gigantic team has been doing this whole time

[ruby saffron]

Tell that to cyberpunk, they relaunched that shit 3 times

[visual gazelle]

If they can improve the core gameplay enough, then a soft re-launch would be a good decision I think.

[hearty flame]

except they havent. theyve patched it 3 times but none of those are relaunches unless im missing something

[ruby saffron]

No, they always remarketed the game as “a fresh experience”

[stone cradle]

With another BF in development already so soon, I don't think that will happen. I think they're going to abandon 2042 after a year with minimal content and then give us a new one.

[ruby saffron]

The latest one even saw a new title and artwork for its cover. They keep trying to relaunch it to mixed success

[hearty flame]

except they havent? all theyve done is patch bugs, nothing new really. thats not a relaunch

[ruby saffron]

Preproduction usually starts 6-8 months into a launch though, I recall hearing rumors about a ww2 battlefield during the first year of 1

[ruby saffron]

I’m in their servers, I see the attempts first hand lol

They try to hype the shit out as a new experience or a fresh start for like a huge list of bug fixes

[stone cradle]

I guess, but the rumour was thrown just 3-4 months after 2042's release

[ruby saffron]

There’s a team working on a spin-off game but this is most likely the mainline title for the next 3 years

[hearty flame]

except thats not how they market it to the world so its not a relaunch. imagine consider patches a relaunch. itd have to be an expac or something that modified base game to be considered a relaunch

[ruby saffron]

The most recent patch got huge marketing, saw a rebrand, saw a huge set of livestreams and even new box art and shit, they called it a reboot lol

[plucky pebble]

We talking of 2042 right?

[ruby saffron]

2077

[hearty flame]

having all of that is fine for a patch. I mean hell even ff14 gets trailers and splash art for their x.x patches. and those arent relauches. and you have receipts for that "reboot" comment.

[ruby saffron]

They used the next gen edition as an excuse to try to pull off a relaunch

They cut support for last gen all but

[stone cradle]

I don't see 2042 lasting more than a year and getting the anthem treatment, but I could be proven wrong, I hope..

[ruby saffron]

I highly doubt it but we will see

[hearty flame]

it all depends on s1. if it fails to keep people in 2042 then 2042s dead in the water
especially if theres mw2 hype then s2 is really dead

[ruby saffron]

Dice can’t afford to bomb s1

[stone cradle]

What I see happening is that a considerate boost happens when 2042 hits normal EA Play/Gamepass Ultimate, then MW2 pretty much kills off the playerbase unless they can make S1 a huge comeback like BFV Pacific and Battlefront II in 2019

[ruby saffron]

Most of the bf friends I know hate cod and never play it so im not sure how widespread that is but I know at least in my groups cod has very little appeal

[hearty flame]

I can see a small player boost with gamepass but most wont try it with word of mouth being bad and with the other good games out now. mw2 trailer sucks some hype from 2042 and its release kills s2

[ruby saffron]

I know plenty of people who would play 2042 if it was f2p.

[stone cradle]

That is true, but I feel like 2019 will happen all over again, where MW2019 on release pretty much sucked alot of BFV's players away

[forest snow]

ill be playing 2042 untill the next battlefield game so i hope there is a season 2 ha

[hearty flame]

Youre in luck. there will be 4! seasons

[plucky pebble]

As for my friends that have the game but stopped playing i guess if they make it fun to play and having new content yeah but theres so much bs in 2042 thats probably still gonna stay that its sad

[stone cradle]

Same for me, Hazard Zone should have been f2p from the start, EA repeated their mistake that they did with Firestorm in BFV

[forest snow]

correction i meant year 2 content ha

[ruby saffron]

Firestorm died within a week

[forest snow]

never bothered with firestorm

[stone cradle]

All because it wasn't f2p, could have had a chance if it was, I found it fun.

[hearty flame]

well since ea wants a bf every 2 years, goodbye 2042 after y1

[vivid yoke]

Can someone tell me how i get this weeks skin when rush server will not populate?

[ruby saffron]

They want a bf spinoff every 2 years and a bf every 3.

[plucky pebble]

Sadge

[forest snow]

a lot will depend on how well the year 1 content goes and how much the player count increase by

[ruby saffron]

They have a team working on some bf hero shooter right now

[plucky pebble]

Ooof

[hearty flame]

got receipts? becuse i saw this in a earning call 3? years ago

[forest snow]

i believe that was canned or seriously changed up

[ruby saffron]

Still got ‘em working on a smaller bf title, dunno what it is anymore

[plucky pebble]

When its the season 1 dropping tho? Since we are on may

[ruby saffron]

June ish

[forest snow]

i bet season 1 will start mid july

[ruby saffron]

Datamined s1 challenges show they start like June 18th

[plucky pebble]

Hope theres something cuz the "leaks" look pretty boring

[forest snow]

but this months patch could add to that

[fervent grotto]

Yea do we know how many new guns we’d be getting? Or how they’d be unlocked

[forest snow]

datamind stuff seems to point that the store will begin to open with bundles soon

[ruby saffron]

At the moment it’s looking like 6 have been added so far

[hearty flame]

if its like V then as a guns are a capstone to week long challenges

[ruby saffron]

A map called locker started getting referenced in the files as well

[forest snow]

i miss premium tbh instead of this live service

[fervent grotto]

Of course it will

[hearty flame]

imagine selling cosmetics before the game gets real content LOL

[fervent grotto]

I really hope they don’t do that

Cod doesn’t even do that

[ruby saffron]

There’s two possibilities, one the game will have a system to earn currency possibly in hazard zone, or they will go full nickel and dime mode

[forest snow]

looking through the digital artbook give you an idea of some of the cosmetics and new vehicles we are due to get

[hearty flame]

or they could make the currency unlockable by playing normally like in V

[fervent grotto]

Your delusional if you think they won’t go Nickel and dime

[plucky pebble]

I will buy them tbh

[forest snow]

at this point ill pay for new content just need something new

[ruby saffron]

Secure year two for us

[plucky pebble]

💀

[stone cradle]

Could be them trying to make another locker/metro/underground

[fervent grotto]

I respect it tbh

[plucky pebble]

So an actual fun map is in the works

[fervent grotto]

You mean one that isn’t 75% open field?

[ruby saffron]

Orbital breakthrough is fun

[forest snow]

if rao gets the main artwork skin in a bundle ill throw money at that

[plucky pebble]

Lmao

I mean if they copy paste more buildings that would fix some

[stone cradle]

Just an assumption, could well be an entirely different style of map called locker of something

[fervent grotto]

But why use Rao when you can just use Sundance and throw emp grenades

[gray comet]

Unless youre team US

[fervent grotto]

I’ve been grinding BFV lately. Trying to get all my classes maxed out. Working on support rn

I want to get at least one gold gun in each class. I already have 2 smgs done on medic

[forest snow]

that skin for the hind that they removed what was so offensive about it i never understood that

[fervent grotto]

I thought that was Boris?

[forest snow]

no there was a skin for the superhind they removed

[fervent grotto]

He had a skin that referenced an ongoing conflict or something

[forest snow]

yea they re named it

[fervent grotto]

So what about the hind skin?

[forest snow]

one of the weeklys was a skin for a superhind and it was pulled a hour or so after it went live.

[fervent grotto]

What was so offensive about it?

It can’t be that bad right?

[ruby saffron]

Thought it was the bugged one

[plucky pebble]

just becuz it was something simikar to russian forces that they pulled it out

[hearty flame]

they only skins theyve removed is boris's russian little green men skin and the hind skin

[silk surge]

I know that it became controversial when DICE initially floated the idea. But removing 128P Breakthrough from the game would be a good idea. Pretty much everyone who plays Breakthrough does it through 64P mode. 128P BT is such a buggy and unpleasant experience overall, and getting rid of it would create less division between the playerbase.

[fervent grotto]

Though I do know that with the whole Russia Ukraine thing that certain games have been messing with Russian things in their game. Like Treyarch removed the Ravenov skin from the face of the earth because they didn’t want to make money on something Russian

[forest snow]

https://kotaku.com/battlefield-2042-bf2042-russia-ukraine-skin-ea-dice-hel-1848600439

[plucky pebble]

Debatable 128 is way fun

[forest snow]

seems to be because the skins name

[stone cradle]

Let me guess? The type2a?

[silk surge]

I can't even find games for it anymore. 128P conquest and 64P breakthrough are the only gamemodes where you could find full games these days.

[fervent grotto]

Type 2A and the sten. You caught me red handed

I also kinda wanna get the M28 Tromboncino gold

[stone cradle]

Hey, atleast sten somewhat requires skill to play lol

Type 2a is just "haha smg go brrr"

I'm grinding the tommy gun rn

[soft swallow]

Well yes Breakthrought it's terrible whit 128 players and nobody want to play Conquest 64 whit a 5km2 map

[plucky pebble]

128 breakthrough on discarded is were i had the most fun

[silk surge]

Sten had insane hipfire and little to no recoil. The only difference between Sten and ZK/Type 100 was that Sten had a bit more spread and different mag size.

[fervent grotto]

It’s a tough world bro. Having to deal with mmg campers and level 6 Sherman’s who will send you to god because they have some sort of thermal vision. I swear to god tanks have some sort of heat vision because they always find me

[silk surge]

Type 2A is not even the best smg anymore, they added insane recoil to it shortly after it released.

[fervent grotto]

Is super easy to control

[plucky pebble]

They waste antivehicle rounds juat to kill you 💀

[stone cradle]

I once died 16 times in Pacific breakthrough to a goddamn sherman, they were just camping there and farming kills from long range

[silk surge]

Not compared to how it was at launch.

[fervent grotto]

It’s either maxed out Sherman’s or maxed out Planes.

[silk surge]

You're better off with Suomi, which has almost identical TTK but easier recoil control.

[fervent grotto]

Ewww. Type 2A will never be replaced

[plucky pebble]

Also in bf1 thats probably why i hate those bf games so infantry only is the way

[stone cradle]

That's fine, but they need to nerf that fire rate, it's OP at close range

Long range, every smg suffers from that ofcourse

[silk surge]

Support ended years ago, nothings getting nerfed or buffed anymore.

[plucky pebble]

Copium

[burnt swan]

Type 2a users thinking they’re good at the game

[plucky pebble]

Better than prone lmg bitches tbh

[burnt swan]

True

[fervent grotto]

I’ll have you know that I’m a great medic player

[stone cradle]

I know which is why medic mains like me will always need to suffer

[burnt swan]

Try the Suomi out if I were you

[fervent grotto]

Imagine if we got the Russian dlc and we got to use the ppsh

[stone cradle]

Can't even revive anyone without someone sliding in and me falling to the ground in less than a second

[forest snow]

the ZH was the most annoying and skillless thing in V

[silk surge]

Type 2A is extremely good at close range, but try using it at any range even close to medium and you'll be disappointed. You literally have to start burst firing after like 20-30m.

[fervent grotto]

Nope, type 2A, ZK-383, and sten. A little bit of Jungle Carbine and tromboncino in there to

[burnt swan]

Maybe on controller but on mouse and keyboard it’s the opposite

[stone cradle]

Which is why it thrives in underground

[burnt swan]

Jungle Carbine is goated

[silk surge]

I played BFV on Playstation, is the recoil different on PC?

[burnt swan]

It’s non existent

[fervent grotto]

There is no reason it has such a high fire rate. It’s amazing

[silk surge]

Oh in that case lol

[burnt swan]

If only we had a 6x scope on the carbine

[silk surge]

K30 is basically a reskinned Type 2A. All the way down to magazine size.

[fervent grotto]

Dude I want a 3x scope for the drilling rifle

[burnt swan]

Chill that’s toxic

[fervent grotto]

No it’s reasonable!

[burnt swan]

That shotgun is op lmao

[plucky pebble]

Good shit

[fervent grotto]

Not really. 3 shots. 2 shotgun one rifle

[silk surge]

Drilling was such a meme weapon lmao.

[fervent grotto]

But it’s very good if you get used to it

[silk surge]

But holy shit did those two shells pack a punch.

[burnt swan]

Drilling is more powerful than the mw2019 725

[fervent grotto]

It’s the gun I’m getting gold for support. I already got the boys at rifle gold for recon

[burnt swan]

I’d use at rifles but the fact I gotta mount before using it is a big no for me

[silk surge]

I have huge respect for the people who managed to unlock full mastery on drilling. That gun was the second hardest one to grind next to liberator secondary.

[fervent grotto]

I use them because they’re fun

[fervent grotto]

You can’t get the liberator gold?

What are you talking about?

[silk surge]

Remember liberator? It had a single bullet in its mag, and it didn't even 1-shot with headshot at close range rofl.

[silk surge]

Oh yeah you're right... secondaries didn't have skins.

[fervent grotto]

I know what your talking about

[fervent grotto]

I wish they did but yea

[silk surge]

The only way you could do well with Drilling is if you had amazing gamesense. There are so many guns that does what drilling does but way better.

Like, basically it was effective at both long and short range, but it was mediocre in both of those areas.

[next onyx]

Fg42 was good.

But so were pretty much all of supports LMG's.

[silk surge]

LMGs were sort of underwhelming in BFV, especially compared to the laser-beam generators they became in 2042.

[next onyx]

LMG's in 5 were more snipey assault rifles and that's what made them amazing.

They were balanced extremely well.

Higher velocities and higher control at the cost of some handling made them pretty good.

Now I remembered that someone said they were overpowered when they clearly were not lol.

[grizzled whale]

its may when updte

[jovial quest]

Never!

[subtle iron]

how do you control the recoil with the lmgs in 2042

[jovial quest]

With your hand

[deep kelp]

how can you fuck up a video game so bad

[subtle iron]

right or left

[jovial quest]

Depends on the recoil pattern

[arctic grove]

They lacked the ammo count the mmg were good in V but you had to play the defensive

[plucky pebble]

just pull down

[subtle iron]

good advice

[hardy leaf]

by drowning yourself into corporate greed

[deep kelp]

so sad

[vocal adder]

LMG's underwhelming in battlefield v i don't think so haha

[night vessel]

@viscid bone Hey Total.
some of the players are still having some issues trying to do the weekly mission for this weeks but for some reason it is not tracking Rush kills nore ammo supply.
Is it possible if we as players would be compensated for the skin if the bug would not let us get the skin ?

[solar minnow]

I saw this person used protonVPN(free) and switched regions and unlocked it. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/uheda5/a_fix_for_the_weekly_mission_ice_pick_rush_kills/

[fervent grotto]

I wish they did that. I still haven’t gotten my Irish helmet. My revives and repairs never tracked

[night vessel]

Not gonna use a bloody VPN mate

I rather be compensated

[whole plume]

Just a skin though

[next isle]

Usually EA help can assist with that

[whole plume]

Ea😩

[fervent grotto]

Yea you shouldn’t have to use a VPN for a weekly mission lmao. It should just work

[hexed mango]

sorry for late reply, i went to sleep early cause i’m feeling ill, but i have not seen that yet, very interesting

[hexed mango]

in my experience there was a bump trying to get it, as i finished like 10 games with 30+ kills and only got like 4/10 but i just kept playing and eventually got it lol. tbh it could have something to do with how the match ends, like maybe if your team wins it doesn’t work or vice versa or maybe if you leave the match it doesn’t update not sure (although i do remember that i finished the challenge in a game so i don’t think this would be the case)

alternatively, if that reddit post of using a vpn is accurate, it’s very possible that some of the servers the rush mode was running on just purely weren’t able to connect to a main db to update the score, and just didn’t count it (maybe some leftover server data is preventing progression)

[gaunt swift]

This. For the first 2 days i couldnt even see the weekly challenge(again, yay). But i was told it tracked. 3rd day it was finally visible and everything was at 0. Fine. No worries. Played the offical rush for like 2 hours. Guess what. Still at 0.
For some reason the challenge is only tracking in AOW and considering rush is a portal only mode..... Yeah.
Worst part. I have yet to see dice even acknowledge that this is a thing or that they are going to fix it. Or going to compensate those of us who cant complete the challenge because of something they have got wrong.

[calm bison]

I gotta be honest, besides the annoying AF transports, next gen 2042 ain’t half bad

It’s actually pretty fun

Yeah there could be more cover here and there

But overall it’s a fun experience

[gaunt swift]

I mean. Even if the vpn thing works, you have to fix shit yourself because i guess dice just cant be arsed?

[fervent grotto]

Exactly

[gaunt swift]

@viscid bone atleast just let us know if you guys are doing something about it or not. Because if you aren't. Thats ok too. We will just stop wasting our time on it.

[heavy linden]

thats the main problem tho

[stone cradle]

Never saw anyone in a BF game get compensated tbh, best if you just use a VPN like the other guy said.

[gaunt swift]

Tough theres something to be said that one of the only thing that currently Exists to bring players back and give them something to achive is buggy af and the people working on the game dont care enough to fix it.

[stone cradle]

I remember when BF4 was called a disaster just because it was buggy af on launch, and 2042 is still bugfest 6 months in

[silk surge]

Snipers are not even one shot kill in hardcore.... completely defeats the purpose of using them

[tame vine]

Hopefully they can give the "Grin Reaper" heli skin along with Ice Pick for free too. That heli skin was really nice, it feels unfair that only the players who got in the first day get to keep it before it was removed due to the ukraine situation

[gaunt swift]

Thats two weeks in a row with the daily challenges not being visible for the first few days and god know how many weeks with some daily challenges not tracking AT ALL. I mean its gotta be simple fix, how complecated can it be. The levels of incompetence being shown throughout the progression of this game into becoming something playble is depressingly hilarious

[gaunt swift]

Yeah nah i wouldnt hold your hopes too high to get anything. Specially something removed due to current situation. Gotta get that sweet sweet woke western money.
But also the big russian buckaroos

[gaunt swift]

I swtg bro. Every Battlefield and Battlefront game is called a disaster at launch.

[jovial quest]

@gaunt swift don’t ping employees

Your gonna get in trouble

[stone cradle]

Many cases of it not, such as BF1, had a mostly smooth launch

[gaunt swift]

Theyre a community manager. Its their LITERAL job to listen to the community. How else are we supposed to bring their attention to issues? Wave our dicks in the air? Or light up the fucking bat signal

[royal swan]

If you been taught good math and seen companies do good and shit, you would know about the wave of product effectiveness

[jovial quest]

Bro chill out

[stone cradle]

I think waving our dicks could get their actual attention they've been silent from twitter and reddit since release, probably the same here, right?

[gaunt swift]

And i dont believe theres a single moderator here incompetent or dumb enough to ban anyone over a single tag of a community manager. If it was a spam it would make sense but its not@jovial quest

[hearty flame]

they pop in here occasionally

[jovial quest]

When did I say you would get banned

[stone cradle]

Not really responding to feedback and instead pushing it to a side and only talk good about the game.

[gaunt swift]

Ay bro dont say that out loud. Someone might actually do it.

[gaunt swift]

You said id get in trouble. Ban is trouble. What else can they do? Gimme a timeout. This isint an american household and im not 8.

[frank stratus]

wtf

is going on?

[jovial quest]

Not if you read the rules, you do realize this server has a warning system in place

[gaunt swift]

Sorry for coming off toxic as fuck. Ive had a bad day, and this thing just ticked me off @jovial quest

[jovial quest]

Mhm

[gaunt swift]

But no. Im not gonna stop tagging a community manager if its genuine issues that should be a priority fix

[frank stratus]

interesting chat.

[royal swan]

An Internet argument ending with good intentions on both sides. What a rare thing to see

[frank stratus]

fr

[jovial quest]

I’m getting brain damage from these people

[calm bison]

[gaunt swift]

Id suggest going to a hospital.

[royal swan]

Call a doctor

[gaunt swift]

||(Or not, if youre american)||

[royal swan]

Unless you are in the military

[jovial quest]

I’m not

[gaunt swift]

Yeah then do whatever you want innit. Its the taxpayers money

[stone cradle]

I remember DICE's communication department not responding to player feedback till ages later since BF1 as that didn't have a server browser for operations for ages. Shame they haven't changed for the good since then, and that they somehow decided it was good idea to repeat having no browser for 2042.

[royal swan]

I do love the free speech here but college and healthcare just fucks you

[frank stratus]

there is no server browse for 2042?

[stone cradle]

The game could really be benefiting for a browser from AOW

[hearty flame]

browser wouldnt work for aow anyways cuz lobbies disband every match

[royal swan]

Will be soon. Such a good legacy feature that didn't come for this bf game

[stone cradle]

That's something I want to see removed too, why did they copy COD on that one?

[hearty flame]

i saw somewhere cuz the container based system is cheaper

[stone cradle]

Also forcing me to spawn at the start of a conquest/breakthrough match, why

[gaunt swift]

Proz n. Cons

[stone cradle]

They repeated a mistake they made with BFV even after people gave them massive backlash, I can't comprehend this studio sometimes

[royal swan]

May update should be animations fixes and improvements

[silk surge]

I love how you can shoot people from an angle where 5% of your hitbox is showing in Battlefield games.

[royal swan]

This fixing progress is clearly a opposite of bf4 fixing

Big fixes first then content instead of content then bug fixes

Man videogame companies gotta stop giving dates for release

[hexed mango]

no dont make my grin reaper free for everyone

that's the only thing special in my life

[hexed mango]

well not being visible is a separate issue, as noted in #direct-communication, it will be fixed and they have already said stuff about it
whereas this week is just portal progression still being wonky

[hexed mango]

bf4 barely did bug fixes though, focusing more on pushing dlc content, rather than bug fixes
i personally would prefer bug fixes before content, as this game is doing.
also i wouldn't call it a bugfest now, it maybe still has some bugs here and there, but they are relatively minimal, and far less annoying than it was at launch

[gaunt swift]

Well it should have clearly been a priority fix with 4.0. 400 bug fixes and patches. Plus more ghost fixes and the most hyped, and played mode is still not completely ironed out

[hexed mango]

ddepends on which you're using, in my experience, the dxr can one shot in hc
however i hardly play the other two especially in hardcore

[gaunt swift]

4.0 was a massive step in the right direction and im glad it happened but sometimes their priorities baffle me

[hexed mango]

what? are you saying the challenges not showing up should have been a fix in 4.0?

cause, that issue started occurring with 4.0, it wasn't happening before

[gaunt swift]

No. Because it clearly wasnt an issue before that i know of. But portal progression should have been

[hexed mango]

well portal progression is a server-side thing, not a client side thing, so 4.0 wouldn't have done anything about that regardless

[gaunt swift]

Just more quality of life fixes to portal in general

[hexed mango]

edit: i meant #direct-communication but whatever

[gaunt swift]

I can understand nerfing it to combat xp farms but aleast let the offical modes have the regular progression

[hexed mango]

well they do, official modes give full xp and tier progression

we havent had a lot of portal weekly challenges, and i think that something with progression still remained in some regions (which is why using a vpn was a solution as mentioned on reddit) and i think that they just purely forgot to change some server rules that would override progression (for challenges)

[uneven palm]

Why is 2042 hardcore a thing

[stone cradle]

Same for me, except that 2042 has bugs 6 months from launch, every new patch removes them but adds new ones at the same time

[ruby saffron]

Welcome to battlefield

[stone cradle]

This game makes V's launch look like a masterpiece

[uneven palm]

You just have to kill everyone you see until you actually get a kill

[ruby saffron]

Nah not really, 5 had some crusty issues that still aren’t fixed, all bf launches are within the same margin of awful

[uneven palm]

It’s basically a massive free for all

[hexed mango]

removing hundreds of bugs, to just add like 5 more is a fair trade to me.

[hexed mango]

well I don't think you can compare the two, because v was hated for different reasons than 2042
and people quite stupidly hail V as a god-tier game (reddiRedditn though the same people hated it at launch

[stone cradle]

5 game breaking bugs though. This is unacceptable for a AAA game from the efforts of 4 game studios, and they ask $90 or something for the ultimate edition

[hexed mango]

name them

[stone cradle]

Going invisible, dying for no reason, Sundance's numerous bugs, game runs awful on Xbox for some reason. Many more. I decided to return to the game a month ago and it crashed thrice in 1 sitting, I decided from there that this game isn't worth my time.

[ruby saffron]

What game breaking bugs? I’ve put in like 20 hours since 4.0

Game runs fine on my series S, never seen anyone die for no reason, I’m a Sundance main and it works fine for the last 20 hours. Dunno

[uneven palm]

It took me an hour just to find a match that wasn’t just about to end

[stone cradle]

I guess BF1 had quite the bugs on release but I believe they were well ironed out by 2 months time.

[hexed mango]

not all of those seem to be game "breaking" but rather inconveniences

also could I get some evidence of these, cause I don't think ive seen going invisible, dying randomly, or sundance's bugs
plus, depends on what Xbox you are on

I play on pc and I've been getting pretty stable fps

[ruby saffron]

Only bug I’ve found in the last 20 hours was a tank bounced off the ground like 2 feet while standing still, maybe I’m just lucky but whatever

“Game breaking” is when battlefield 4 would brick consoles left right and center for 5 months straight

[stone cradle]

the bf2042 subreddit is all the proof you need, and it crashed on the Series X, you know, a next gen console. Some still can't even get hits on people, but I personally have only experienced that twice ever.

[fervent grotto]

I don’t like how stiff the animations are

[ruby saffron]

The bf 2042 sub got busted using launch day footage to make the game look bad on 4.0 tho

If you gonna try to hoax on a game at least hide the patch number

[stone cradle]

Yeah, that one video/image isn't going to represent everyone's

[fervent grotto]

BFV animations were slick and clean, 2042 makes it look like your a robot

[ruby saffron]

2042s animations are crap yeah

[hearty flame]

really? id say it makes the character seem all methed up

[stone cradle]

Me neither, standing to crouch and prone feels sloppy. Couldn't they have just reused V's animations?

Vaulting over high walls, tactical rolling, sliding(in some cases) BFV perfected movement and then 2042 made movement worse than BF3 somehow

[ruby saffron]

I believe 2042 uses a new version of frostbyte so maybe not

[fervent grotto]

The reloads look like a robot following code and the sliding doesn’t feel like sliding. It’s to stiff

[hearty flame]

Theres a video comparing 2042s animation to 3/4 and you can really tell that the animations in 2042 look dated compared to 3/4

[fervent grotto]

Ahhh tac rolling 😫😫

Love me some tac roles

[ruby saffron]

I think they tried to copy cod mw19’s “tacticool” animations to not great success

[fervent grotto]

They’re so smooth feeling

[stone cradle]

Exactly, the animation team behind BF3 even used tech from madden to get the animations to be super smooth. Don't see why current DICE can't do that

[ruby saffron]

It’s because 2042 is still in beta lol

[stone cradle]

And they're just super satisfying 😫

[fervent grotto]

I love animations and reloads in mw. Aim down sight reloading is jsut mwah. But in 2042 you just shake your gun a bunch while ads and boom you got more ammo

[ruby saffron]

Maybe season one will be launch ready!

[stone cradle]

Season 1 is the beta, we're in the alpha rn

Seriously though, they must do some herculean feat to get this game back on track

[silk surge]

If Season 1 releases unfinished or unpolished, DICE deserves all the shit in the world for it. It would be 7-9 months after initial game launch.

[ruby saffron]

It’s alright right now, it’s in decent state but the problem is content, they gotta get it rolling

If they can bring more content to the table at a better pace I think people will come back

[hearty flame]

We've seen V's content pacing and it was terrible. Im not expecting better from current dice

[fervent grotto]

When are modern devs gonna realize that you don’t have to put the game out fast as possible? People waited 15 years for another Duke Nukem. Granted that game was apparently ass but it had a lot of support

[ruby saffron]

I’m looking forward to the new map we got the layout of, the one with the landslide levoloution and underground facility. That sounds like fun

[stone cradle]

True, hope they abide by their promise back during the reveal trailer. With maps and guns coming out quite frequently

[ruby saffron]

I don’t even mind if maps are slow if they are bangers

If they spend a few months making some kickass 128 player maps then that’s fine

But they gotta be worth the time

[stone cradle]

We'll get a map or 2 this season with a few guns, then the season ends lol, feels realistic.

[hearty flame]

Sure itll be fine for you but everyone else will have left for something else

[ruby saffron]

Would you rather have a flat barren map come out every week or a 2 month pacing where they bring out good maps

[hearty flame]

Lets be honest here, its not gonna be either but its gonna be really slow
and people expect more from a "live" service game

[ruby saffron]

Maybe, maybe not. Dice during bfv was actively working on 3 games, they are working on one right now

They pulled the plug on Bf2 for this game

I’d hope they can use the extra people to speed things up

I get fixing the game takes a while, but once it’s fixed things might pick up

[hearty flame]

Right. and 2042 had multiple studios working on it and look at the state of launch and its content
"ahead of schedule"
hell halo infinite is about to have its 2nd season and vanguard its 3rd and 2042 isnt even on 1

[ruby saffron]

Though ea did force it out the door a lot faster than they wanted and the marketing guys had to lie to everyone to even get any sales

It was scummy but I know how the ea game works

Saw this shit coming from a mile ngl

Ea doesn’t give a single damn if it’s ready, they want money and they want it when they say they want it

[hearty flame]

Until we know that ea forced it out the door Im not gonna blame them
we know from the past that they are kinda hands off with their studios like with biowares andromeda and anthem
hell they LET respawn launch titanfall 2 between bf and cod

[ruby saffron]

Dice is on EAs leash and ball and chain, they let BioWare do whatever because BioWare has threatened to mass quit in the past

Ea is very tight on its “franchise” studios that they can turn into live services, look at how they do sports games, they put the same exact broken ass game out each year

[hearty flame]

Ea puts out the same game every year because they know the fans will eat it up and then spend even more on its mtx
they dont improve because they dont need to

[ruby saffron]

When they let ghost games have some freedom with the last NFS and it bombed they axed the studio and gave it to someone else

Ea is very hard on its developers and I’d hate to work for that company

[hearty flame]

right which is why they let bioware waste 7 years on anthem and 3 on andromeda

[ruby saffron]

BioWare has gotten away with a lot of shit because they are a huge name in the industry

[hearty flame]

*were

[ruby saffron]

Same with dice. But the small studios like ghost and visceral? They threw them away like trash when the games underperformed

[hearty flame]

well with the way dice is going maybe theyll become the small support studio for respawn or ripple at the rate theyre going

[ruby saffron]

That would be a goddamn shame

[hearty flame]

not for ea. with respawn making apex that makes more money and costs less than bfs its not that big a loss

[ruby saffron]

For battlefield fans who have been here forever that would be a doomsday scenario

I’ve been around since 1942 and my future with the franchise depends on season one tbh

[hearty flame]

Im sure if they ever got rid of dice they give bf to another studio like ripple, move to something like ue5, tweak it to do bf things and then reboot it
moving to ue5 would be more technically available, easier to train employees on, no need for a dedicated support staff

[fervent grotto]

I want titanfall 3

That, will be a masterpiece

[slate meadow]

flashback conquest has gone 😦 why dice why

[hoary gate]

is bf2042 worth reinstalling?

[cedar turtle]

I want Sea of Thieves 2

[fervent grotto]

Eh it’s the exact same except it’s less buggy.

[burnt swan]

Instead they added hardcore gamemodes with no team killing limits

So people just troll and start mass tking

[river trench]

[rigid dagger]

How do I get the ice pick skin when nobody joins rush?

[ornate osprey]

so is this game dead or has everyone moved to bf4 again?

[slate meadow]

Those two statements say the same thing

[royal swan]

Until season 1

[twin bane]

anyone else uses Rifle Aim for helicopters?

patch 4.0 seems to have broken it

[royal swan]

Rifle aim for helicopters?

[twin bane]

yeah basically u move (yaw) left and right with the mouse instead of the keyboard

[royal swan]

Yeah I just use the basic comtrols

[twin bane]

they really screw us with the last update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGHwGwTP5Dg

[quasi patio]

bf5 or bf1

[near hare]

its been gaining player base back slowly.

[royal swan]

Well I wouldn't say "us" but more of the individuals that use those controls

Get the awareness going and it can get into the progress of fixing

[twin bane]

yeah im trying

[glad mist]

moved back to BF4 or 3

come join us

[stone cradle]

I believe Elites were pushed by EA to monetise BFV more

To me it seems EA has quite the control over them, considering how EA didn't let them finish off what BFV should have launched with

same with Battlefront II, they only really seem to give Respawn and Bioware freedom.

[stone cradle]

EA actually let respawn make titanfall 3 but the devs themselves said they didn't want to and instead we got a spin-off - apex.

[slate meadow]

Man we need like 3-4 maps in season 1 to make this game have even a small chance of bouncing back

[stone cradle]

⬆️

[tiny imp]

at least one map is confirmed

[fickle maple]

What are currently best weapons can anyone help me out ?

[arctic grove]

Is the game worth returning to anymore?

Playing Battlefield 1 because it’s pure fun

[slate meadow]

Stick to bf1

Better balance better atmosphere

They need to need body armour

[amber ermine]

Apparently an announcement on that tomorrow or Thursday re that mode and Infantry conquest.

[mossy portal]

anyone who uses the wildcat do you prefer the 30mm or the 57mm as AA

[frosty mural]

They are bringing back that mode perm with Infantry Conquest

[frosty mural]

honestly the AA is so bad in this game..bf4 was much better

[mossy portal]

I agree

BF4 aa was top tier

[frosty mural]

its like a snail, the cannons don't hit

[mossy portal]

yep, in bf4 you'd think twice about challenging a Tunguska

[slate meadow]

It's way to op people eat rpgswhy do they keep fucking about with the playlist so often

Oops sorry had a message wrote out and then tagged you in reply

[still vault]

Would love more of the single player. Wasn't sweaty enough to enjoy multiplayer. That is where Battlefield come in.

[slate meadow]

Anybody else notice sometimes you don't hear boltes behind you?

[velvet sand]

Man, I hope the announced Portal changes aren't what the CM was referencing with Flashback CQ/Infantry-only CQ coming back. I'm still mildly confused about the update but it still sounds lame for Portal.

[viscid bone]

It isn't, I had to get that out first 🙂

[velvet sand]

Phew, because it still sounds like Portal is very XP limited if you do literally any tweaks to Portal servers? Full progress is only in "vanilla" Portal modes?

[olive lake]

Wait never mind....Got my hopes up

Honestly if AI is enabled but nothing else that causes modifications, it should be moderate or full.

So damn close to having my attention but again so far.

[velvet sand]

AI is still "you basically get no XP" from what I can tell on the current chart, but I'm not clear on it.

[olive lake]

Yeah that's what it says

So basically one big fuck off to PvE players

Like seriously if AI is untouched it shouldn't be fully restricted

I'd accept moderate if that's what it'd come down to

Bad enough you get nothing in AOW Solo/Co-op

[velvet sand]

BF is at its core a PvP game. But it's lame given that DICE talked about full progression for vs. AI servers at announce but has never actually delivered that.

[olive lake]

Yeah exactly.

More so frustrating because it WAS there day one

[velvet sand]

"We want you to play and enjoy BF2042 your way!...wait...no...not like that. That's not what we meant at all, hang on let us fix that."

[olive lake]

And the only reason it ever got capped at all was because of portal farmers

[ruby saffron]

Have separate progression for portal, done

[stone cradle]

it was there day 1 but portal farmers ruined it and the devs didn't bother to implement a proper filter system.

[velvet sand]

I'm talking even vs. AI in AOW too, since you have limited progress there as well.

[olive lake]

Its so frustrating that there's a forum with over 2000 replies asking for solo/co-op full progression and NOT a single dev have acknowledged it

[empty mural]

I’m not trying to ad or nothing but where is the best place to find teammates?

[olive lake]

What good is feedback if devs aren't going to listen?

Or at least communicate

[empty mural]

The sad thing about this battlefield too is the physics are really bad!

[slate meadow]

Yep and headshots don't make sense either ibe hit enemy where all I can see is there head but they have eaten 4-5 lmg rounds and then 1 tapped me

[empty mural]

There is no guns compared to old battlefields and next to no customisation on weapons who remembers battlefield 4 there was like 20 different suppressor skins and stuff like that made it cool

Even parachute skins etc

[slate meadow]

Ive played kaleidoscope and hourglass only today wtf is going on

[velvet sand]

In case you're still around...any chance of getting info on when the specialist feedback loop is planned for? It was supposed to be "in a few weeks" at the start of April and it's May now so...very curious and kinda worried it's taking this long.

[still vault]

Statistics. Sometimes you just get an edge case.

[hexed mango]

[grand prism]

I'm almost there boys

Level 88

[fiery shoal]

you know the definition of insanity?

[hexed mango]

ayo #direct-communication nice
i mean that's nice cause you could make some relatively simple gamemodes at still get some progression

[hexed mango]

ah yes, let's allow full progression for killing bots.
makes sense to me

[grizzled whale]

i just learned what a 1 frame flick is

[hexed mango]

1 frame = death is my life

[grizzled whale]

and i will make it my life goal to learn it

https://youtu.be/G6VUcz8wv80?t=7 not BF i know, but i wanna see if this is possible in 2042

[hexed mango]

i mean if you have a high sens on your mouse you could easily flick in 1 frame

that just looks so sus

[olive lake]

Like its so exhausting that AI is a modifier when in truth it really isn't.

[hexed mango]

it is. you are modifying the game to have players that are robots

[grizzled whale]

@olive lake would you be okay with them allowing t1 progression against bots if it took ~20k kills instead of 1200?

[olive lake]

Annnd I already feel like the gatekeepers have arrived.

[hexed mango]

this guy does it with such precision that it's scary

[grizzled whale]

yeah its insane

[grizzled whale]

maybe its time to realise you are wrong

[hexed mango]

calling us gatekeepers for having some logical boundary is so accurate!

[grizzled whale]

hes most likely blocked you by now

[hexed mango]

good.

[grizzled whale]

but he still reads your messages and sometimes replies to them

[grizzled whale]

i like how he says this, but you can literally get EVERYTHING aside from T1 skins and ribbons

[hexed mango]

anyways i have to finish hw, gotta do something while stuck at home sick

[grizzled whale]

OH HELL YES

hardcore TDM, time to farm pistol kills

[hexed mango]

yeah i had fun playing that yesterday

i used m44 for a bit sniping people
but then the server died so i played bt

[grizzled whale]

bruh this hardcore is ass

still takes 2 g57 burst to kill

[hexed mango]

kale on hardcore tdm is wack

[hexed mango]

i mean its a pistol....

[grizzled whale]

its hardcore

[hexed mango]

yeah but its a pistol

idk lol

[grizzled whale]

its hardcore, everything should be 1-2 shot

[hexed mango]

idk lol

[grizzled whale]

ah yes

[hexed mango]

oh yeah i got that aswell
was hella funny

i also accidentally shot like 20 of my teammates

[clear quail]

Is this the new vehicle leaked from battlepass?

[hexed mango]

most of the time they were sitting in a room and i came in looking for enemies and i saw them but not their name

[hexed mango]

what new vehicle

[clear quail]

r/whoosh

[hexed mango]

yeah that isnt the correct usage of whoosh dumbo

[clear quail]

r/whoosh

[grizzled whale]

it was

[limber garden]

Interesting discovery for me a moment ago.
When a character gets killed and starts falling from higher ground, like rope or whatever, you can hear them scream until they hit the ground, like "Aaaaaaaaaaah. Arh"

nice little detail!

[clear quail]

yup

[hexed mango]

oh they were referencing the video... i thought it was out of context

[grizzled whale]

yeah this mode aint hardcore

its slightly less core

[hexed mango]

from a certain point of view:
joe mama's balls

[quasi patio]

Which is more active bf5 or bf2042?

[slate meadow]

An edge ?

[hexed mango]

joe

[quasi patio]

what is joe

[slate meadow]

Guys how do I stop rubber banding ?

[hexed mango]

joe mama

[hexed mango]

get better internet

[quasi patio]

pay for quicker wifi

[hexed mango]

get ethernet

[quasi patio]

or reset router I think can work like it did in bf1 for me

[slate meadow]

On ethenet 500mbps up and down

[hexed mango]

L + bozo internet + no connection + rubber banding

[clear quail]

get better connection

[grizzled whale]

actuall ass hardcore mode

[hexed mango]

so dont play it

[uncut bay]

that's what i've been thinking. Headshots don't even kill right away

still have crosshairs and basically all hud

[hexed mango]

ok well hud is supposed to be in hardcore

[uncut bay]

still can squad spawn

[grizzled whale]

6 pistols shots for a kill

[fervent grotto]

Why do you keep playing it?

[grizzled whale]

because its still faster than core for pistol kills]

[hexed mango]

so then dont complain lel

[fervent grotto]

Ohhhh. You tryna get T1 aren’t you

[hexed mango]

because at least its something ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grizzled whale]

it still sucks as a hardcore mode

[hexed mango]

but its harder than core = hardcore

[grizzled whale]

last 2 guns i need

[fervent grotto]

What are they?

[grizzled whale]

not really how that works

[hexed mango]

im being sarcastic.

[grizzled whale]

G57 and Mp28

[slate meadow]

Why does nobody play rush?

[fervent grotto]

MP28 is ass and has no reason to exist

[grizzled whale]

they tarnish my weapons list

[hexed mango]

man i only have like 5 weapons t1

dxr, gvt, k30, pp29
ok not even 5, 4

[slate meadow]

K30 is so op

[quasi patio]

how much has the game improved since launch other than bug fix..?

[slate meadow]

5%

[velvet sand]

Not much. Mostly bugfixing and minor improvements so far.

[slate meadow]

Still same maps still game modes that are loved and then taken down for no reason still vehicles being way to overpowered

[hexed mango]

"minor improvements"
-> 400+ improvements
even if all 400+ were minor, which isnt the case, that's still a very steady improvement

[velvet sand]

Minor, yes. Lots of them, yes. 400+ were bugfixes and improvements. In the first notable patch in 4 months. For context, they had a patch with 150+ fixes in it 3 weeks post launch, after delivering two weekly patches prior to that.

[hexed mango]

so the scoreboard patch (3.3, march), something that everyone was raging about at launch, wasn't notable?

[velvet sand]

Not really, no. It added a basic scoreboard (fuckin lol, are we really calling its return 4 months post-launch "notable"?) and like 4 other changes, 2 of which were to Hazard Zone which nobody plays.

[quasi patio]

dang I was hoping there’d be 1 or 2 new maps

[velvet sand]

New maps will be 1 per season, starting with the new season in "early summer"

[hexed mango]

that's in summer lol, they said that months ago

[slate meadow]

Wait 1 per season?

[quasi patio]

hm they posted roadmap? I will check it

[hexed mango]

they haven't disclosed

[slate meadow]

They need atleast 3

[quasi patio]

Tbf the maps are huge…

They would risk becoming stale if they had to pump out 3 new ones

[velvet sand]

They have not, and CM's have made it sound like there will never be a roadmap as they are unable to speak to the future of the game.

[velvet sand]

Huge maps are part of the problem, the existing maps have tons of wasted space on them because they were made big and flat for the sake of being big, apparently.

[slate meadow]

They need 3 smaller better designed maps so they have 3-4 larger and 3 smaller

[hexed mango]

i mean if you read #direct-communication and #game-news they talk about basically all their plans for season 1 and beyond...

[quasi patio]

operations had huge maps that felt full but I’m sure the setting helped fill those up.

[velvet sand]

Kinda sorta not really but what little they do is insanely vague with lots of qualifications.

[hexed mango]

i mean it really isn't that vague, they said a lot about it

[slate meadow]

Yeah I want a operations type mode to be honest

[velvet sand]

Not really, it's all very vague. We don't have details on S1 yet, only the same vague information they released pre-launch (and S1 is supposedly a month away). Literally no details on the May patch outside of "bugfixing". Second "feedback loop" about specialists is weeks late for DICE's stated intention of posting it "a few weeks after the map loop closed" at the start of last month. We don't know what the next feedback loop is. What's happening with Portal in S1? Are there any plans to actually add things like a server browser/lobby persistence to AOW?

Most of the responses to these questions is, "we'll share more later" or "We've passed on your feedback and have nothing to say" which are fine and all (disappointing, but facts are facts) but doesn't actually tell us anything about the future.

[quasi patio]

That would be siiick. They could create “battles” that happened because some seem to forget the game does have a setting and story there’s just no campaign to elaborate

like how bf1 was real battles from ww1 I mean

[velvet sand]

And they could use it to actually tell the "map narratives" they said the game would feature, that currently don't exist.

[slate meadow]

Is all chat coming back btw?

[foggy halo]

MAIN GAME SERVER BROSWER

[foggy halo]

pray to ea

[grizzled whale]

Guys the LCMG is the new pkm

[hollow pumice]

https://battlefieldtracker.com/bf2042/leaderboards/stats/origin/VehicleKills?page=1&country=de seems to be that im Top 10 in germany 😄

in Vehicle Kills

[hexed mango]

uh they released an entire message detailing what we would get*. this was 2 months ago

• yes there were some details not specifically defined, as i mentioned earlier we dont know how many maps we will get, stuff like that, but we do know other stuff about the seasons

[hexed mango]

hot. i might have to use LCMG

[velvet sand]

AS I said, we know some vague details like "1 map, 1 specialist, more content" and whatnot but that's it and that's not much more than we knew last year when they revealed the season approach to the "live-service" (fuckin lol) portion of the game.

[hexed mango]

[cyan trout]

skins are going to be great. cant wait for the in game store so i dont have to grind

[velvet sand]

If they stick with the current direction (thanks Marcus!) and don't return to the Woody skins and shit, yeah more skins should be nice.

[hexed mango]

idk im not a big fan of an in game store personally

mainly cause if you're already paying for the game, and for a battlepass, why also pay to get individual skins

if you're buying the bp, get the skins from the bp, if you missed a challenge, suck it up, its just a game

[velvet sand]

Battlepass/store exist alongside each other. I don't think we know if there will be separate cosmetics from the battlepass (probably though, they need to generate a lot of revenue to make up for disappointing sales).

[cyan trout]

lol they can't get me to play for skins. if i like them enough I will pay real money for them. not going to grind for them though.

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/bQD1G.gif

[velvet sand]

Fun fact: If trees get knocked over, the place where the tree used to be still exists and can block your bullets/attach c4 to it and completely fuck you.

[cyan trout]

lol nice

[velvet sand]

So you just have invisible walls to deal with in addition to everything else. I swear this game feels like it was built in 6 months after scrapping years of work.

[uncut bay]

you're probably not far off lol

[cyan trout]

i wouldn't bet against that hypothesis

[hexed mango]

null hypothesis

[grizzled whale]

God i love the shotgun underbarrel for the LCMG

[silver mountain]

How is 2042 post patch?

[hexed mango]

ik i saw that and i 👻

[velvet sand]

Better. Not good yet, but better.

[uncut bay]

new specialist datamined, seems pretty cool

[hexed mango]

👻

[velvet sand]

https://i.redd.it/hbmf3wpz49x81.jpg this?

[uncut bay]

yep

[hexed mango]

Lis or the other guy

[uncut bay]

lis

[velvet sand]

Because holy shit those abilities that were cut are hilariously broken and the exact opposite direction that DICE needs to go with specialists. De-emphasize and reduce the power of specialist abilities/passives, not continue making them hugely impactful.

[hexed mango]

ayo

[velvet sand]

We have enough fuckin lame-ass hero shooters, we don't need BF trying to jump on that train. Especially as Overwatch flounders and Valorant struggles if it wasn't propped up by huge Riot investment in esports.

[uncut bay]

idk i think ghostwalker and the one below are fine, auto spot in the sky and auto repair seem a bit overboard

[velvet sand]

automatic spotting while ADS is legit 100% busted

ghostwalker too is like...so it would mean she's literally never visible on maps and won't even need to use silencers as long as she's prone?

[uncut bay]

considering spotting is basically gone outside of vehicles it would make her a valuable recon

[velvet sand]

It would make her an almost walking SOFLAM, as just part of her damned kit.

I know, these are cut abilities, but it's the direction they were thinking of that has me worried about their ideas for the "specialist rework", which seems to be "keep them super strong despite the general sentiment being that they need to be removed or grossly tuned down in terms of ability strength."

Guess we'll find out whenever they finally get around the the specialist "feedback loop" that's weeks late on their self-imposed deadline for it.

[hexed mango]

barbed wire sounds like r6 and bandit

[hexed mango]

agreed, maybe there should be another specialist that is a vehicle person, repairing, spotting, etc

[uncut bay]

i was hoping boris would be the engineer. I also think they should remove passive vehicle health regen

[uncut bay]

gives more incentive for players to use repair tools and makes vehicles less op

[fervent grotto]

They would have to add boats

[hexed mango]

LCAA and MAV are water :)

also i dont think the map is on the water, just that there is a lake on the map

[uncut bay]

amphibian vehicles are the best way to avoid having to make more vehicles

[fervent grotto]

Lame

[hexed mango]

rao headgear sex!

[fervent grotto]

I want B O A T

[uncut bay]

boring honestly

[fervent grotto]

Sex?

[uncut bay]

reskinned angel's pre order headgear/bf4 assault headgear

[hexed mango]

yes

[fervent grotto]

The tf does sex have to do with anything?

[uncut bay]

it's used when something is good

[fervent grotto]

Oh

That’s kinda weird ngl

[hexed mango]

sex.

[ruby saffron]

Apparently 3 more maps are being referenced in the files now, one called drainage at least

[silk surge]

Really liking Hardcore TDM. It got a tactical shooter vibe to it.

[hexed mango]

@grizzled whale would like to have a word with you

[grizzled whale]

sure

[silk surge]

But there's a bug that doesn't allow you to kill someone through body shot. If you body shot someone with a sniper or lever action, they will be placed in a Hazard Zone downed state, and you have to shoot them again. It's annoying, because sometimes you get your kill stolen even though you technically one shot that person.

What's the point with Hardcore if you can't body shot one shot people

[plucky pebble]

Does it have turrets and dogs?

[hexed mango]

#direct-communication message
@grizzled whale

[silk surge]

No doggo. The turret can be super annoying, but it breaks in one or two shots in hardcore.

[grizzled whale]

ok?

[plucky pebble]

Atleast but i guess armour still there

[olive lake]

Just tried to do hardcore rush. It was just me and some other saddo with a sniper

[grizzled whale]

i found a nice way to get to objectives fast when you spawn as infantry at the start of a match

[olive lake]

Love letter my ass. This game is awful.

[grizzled whale]

then dont play it

[hexed mango]

sounds like they're updating it, thats all

[sonic ginkgo]

What is it?

[grizzled whale]

gimme a sec

[plucky pebble]

Lmaooo

[grizzled whale]

mackay baby

[hexed mango]

hot

[radiant prism]

Nice lol

[grizzled whale]

also mackay baby

i just hate it when theres a condor with the mini nuke cannon just spamming objectives, cant see shit and cant aim for shit as infantry when you are on the point

[hexed mango]

mini nuke lol yes

https://giphy.com/gifs/mini-aeToTOlcucZjO

fallout is still one of my favorite game series... i have to get back into 76 for the new update

[silk surge]

Armor doesn't really do much. The TTK is insanely low.

[grizzled whale]

its too long on hardcore tdm

[silk surge]

Too long? You can basically long range snipe with K30 because the spread doesn't negate enough damage.

[grizzled whale]

its a 2 burst kill with the G57

proper hardcore is everything 1-2 shots

[silk surge]

Nah, there has to be some balance. If you make it too low, every gun becomes viable at everything. That would make the game easier, not harder.

[grizzled whale]

everything 1-2 shot or bad

[fervent grotto]

Dude all you do is complain! First it was the AI, now this

Do you get on here just to be negative

[radiant prism]

Him and about half the server, unfortunately

[fervent grotto]

Listen, I don’t much like the way the games going either, but it can be fun.

[hexed mango]

reality is often disappointing

[radiant prism]

Yeah, the games got issues for sure, but man, people pretend like 500 changes somehow isn’t major because they didn’t like how it launched or “specialists bad”

[hexed mango]

the good thing about being home sick is that i got all my hw done and now i have the rest of the day to grind 2042 ez

[radiant prism]

You too, huh?

[hexed mango]

yeah

my brother had a bug the other week, something going around. i got it aswell, unfortunate thing is whenever im sick its like 10x worse than its supposed to be lol

[radiant prism]

my roommate got COVID last week, now I’m getting very COVID esque symptoms but haven’t tested positive yet. Dunno if it’s just stereotypical southern allergy season or COVID but I stayed in my dorm anyways

[hexed mango]

i mean barely can i move, i was freezing cold last night with like 10 blankets, my nose went from stuffed up, runny to bloody

[radiant prism]

Oh damn

[hexed mango]

yeah i took a test, was negative, its just flu season probably

[radiant prism]

I’ve just ordered some food. And I’m about to start working on a paper

I will probably play 2042 later

[hexed mango]

3/5 of my teachers were out aswell yesterday (although one was not due to sickness, just mental time off)

[red notch]

The game only needs 2 things to be up-to-speed to a launch-level update

1: Performance and optimization, especially on the CPU end

2: A fix for loading into matches with under 30 seconds left

[velvet sand]

Automatic re-queueing into matches needs to be stopped too. It's super fun to spawn at the start and see 10+ people just standing there AFK because they went to take a shit after teh last round ended.

[red notch]

the second one isnt exactly a bug but NEEDS to be addressed, it takes at least 20 seconds to load into a match and a lot of times that 20 seconds is longer than the play time

[velvet sand]

https://twitter.com/T0TALfps/status/1521539297849098242

Glad more improvements are planned...but man it sure hasn't felt like Portal is for "us, the community" for the first 7 months post-launch.

[mild crystal]

How do u repair vehicles

[velvet sand]

with a repair gadget

[gray comet]

fellow recon players finally getting a useful character?

well, more useful than a walking pace clunky drone

[arctic grove]

Nvm, misread message

[red notch]

I play in NA, when it detects a match it waits 10 seconds before trying to join to clear up the menu, regardless of specs

they mightve changed it to 5 tho, if it takes longer its just a black screen the rest of the time

but yeah the real problem is that you load in, but it took longer to load then actually play

and I dont feel like waiting 30 seconds in-between matches sometimes

[arctic grove]

Yeah sometimes I just wanna get right back into it

but then I hear the infamous angel does it again

I honestly suspected the EoR scoreboard would just replace the quip screen but nah, and i find it a bit strange it isnt automatically displayed, and you have to press your scoreboard keybind

[arctic grove]

He's been wanting the launch game portal XP progression for a long time when it was literally broken and negated the entire purpose of actually being good at the game

[velvet sand]

I mean...getting T1 doesn't require someone to be "good" to begin with. Just that they've invested enough time. Being good just makes it faster.

[arctic grove]

Okay sure, but theres no reason for that progression to come back

[uncut bay]

T1 is practically meaningless, and even if it wasn’t, why care so much about what someone else does. Who cares if someone killed bots to get some banners and skins. Dice lied to a whole new demographic that they hooked with their marketing and people are rightfully angry about it

[velvet sand]

Why not? People enjoyed it, it was fun. Which is in short supply with this game.

Do we need another "sense of pride and accomplishment" post or something?

[arctic grove]

I could care less about what someone does to get a tier 1 skin but there is 0 need to be competitive, or good at the game for something meant to show, you guessed it, proficiency/skill

Like what you are saying would be so disastrous to the games only competition it does have

[velvet sand]

Again, it doesn't show proficiency/skill, at least not in the longterm. It just shows time invested with that particular weapon/specialist/gadget/vehicle. In a year having T1 won't be very impressive, and nobody will care if you earned it in PvP or PVE.

[mild crystal]

Do suppressors matter in 2042

[velvet sand]

Only competition? I'm confused...the competition is PvP mode and wrecking fools there.

[velvet sand]

Yes, if you want to prevent yourself from showing up on the minimap (combined with the slower rounds it apparently can make you near impossible to show up on the map while shooting)

[uncut bay]

Yep, not like you can even see how many kills someone has, just that they got T1. If it showed how many total kill/assists/whatever then I might see where someone is coming from, since it would be somewhat valued in the long term. But as it is now, it literally just shows that you can sit down and play god knows how many hours to do some mind numbing task over and over again with some item/specialist

[arctic grove]

You know what you're right, more so shows time invested. But the purpose of it is meant to show, "Hey check me out, I'm particularly good at this thing", theres no sense in it according to you as it is, even less if you can just kill bots all day for it

Actually play the game vs players who can figure out counters to your playstyle and become refined by it, which is how it works right now, good enough

[slate meadow]

wtf in a game of breakthorugh and litrally 85% done and the game ends saying all players dc

what does this mean?

[velvet sand]

Server crashed.

[slate meadow]

off really -.-

[mild crystal]

Ty

[slate meadow]

how do the servers crash there is barely anyone playing xD

[velvet sand]

Because individual servers can still crash.

[ruby saffron]

Dice has tweeted more today than they have in the last year

[arctic grove]

T1 is pretty impressive on vehicles, especially like the Condour or MAV, it clearly shows someone has grown a good enough understanding of how to play that thing effectively

No point in trying in a game designed to be competitive vs players if you can just do everything with bots, just thinking about that makes 0 sense, thus, the current progression is fine

[velvet sand]

Sure, pwning noobs is super satisfying if you're good. I don't need little medals on my player card to feel good absolutely ruining fools in a round.

[olive lake]

Precisely this thank you

This whole sense of pride and accomplishment needs to be knocked down a couple of pegs

Its so overinflated.

[hexed mango]

i mean rao and paik are both pretty useful and fun to play, but sure

[arctic grove]

"theres nothing to help me play competitively anymore, nothing shows im good at the game now that people can just kill bots all day" would become the argument if that progression came back, and I can see it right now

[velvet sand]

Your score and KDR shows if you're good at the game.

[ruby saffron]

At the end of the day no matter what dice does someone will complain

[hexed mango]

Agreed, i’m glad they are adding parts of it back to make it more fun as a whole for portal, but i def don’t want 100% on all game modes

[olive lake]

The thing is, I'd look past every other issue this game had if they just kept their promise at launch.

[arctic grove]

That's why the current progression is fine, actually makes people play vs. players who will do whatever they can to counter you, and its up to you to be good enough to counter-counter players

Simple

Makes about as much sense as being able to kill AI/bots on call of duty for master prestige

[olive lake]

Gating progression at this point is just killing the game further. I mean, the player base is 1000-2000 and yet you'd still prefer to gate content for more casual players.

[chilly oak]

Give me a trailer for s1

[ruby saffron]

Oh not this 1k shit, that’s steam only

[arctic grove]

Wrong, thats only how many people are playing on Steam. you forget the fact that consoles, origin and eventually game pass exist.

[olive lake]

I know but that's still a remarkably low number

[arctic grove]

Cmon bud, I'm inclined not to bother even listening to anything youve got to say if you take that and call that the "playercount"

[olive lake]

Especially for a AAA game

[chilly oak]

I want to see an epic trailer for s1

[uncut bay]

sounds like a personal problem if someone's sense of "being good" comes from having some skins that require 0 skill to get

[ruby saffron]

More than likely there’s a tens of thousands of active players when you take console into consideration. Battlefield recently has been a console dominator due to the lack of any sort of large scale fps games on consoles

[arctic grove]

Regardless the 24hr peak of 2500 players, yesterday being like 3500 is pretty good after the gradual decline the games playercount has had, which goes to show that obviously something works well enough now for PC steam players, surely the same for all other platforms we cant aquire playercount stats for, and console

[olive lake]

I don't disagree. But compared to other games it can't be a good number.

[arctic grove]

Which would be the problem if you could just kill bots for T1 all day....

[olive lake]

And its going to undeniably keep dropping if the elephants in the room aren't tended to

[ruby saffron]

Sure but it’s far from this sub 1000 number people keep saying

[arctic grove]

Depends on what you mean by other games honestly

Triple A FPS are now competing with high quality, genuine indie projects in general. not just battlefield

Milsims seem to be on the rise too

[ruby saffron]

Hell let loose has maybe a thousand players on Xbox, nobody calls it dead though

[olive lake]

Well that's because its not a AAA game right?

[uncut bay]

as opposed to... killing players for several days. I think proper stat tracking would be good for the stat chasers, because if they're having to rely on skins to get their ego boost then i don't know what to say

[chilly oak]

Let's be real nothing can genuinely kill BATTLEFIELD

[arctic grove]

"killing players" is an understatement, people on this game can be pretty damn good. and its easy to counter ground vehicles for instance, so if I see a T1 MAV or MBT, im gonna be pretty damn impressed and would flex that a bit, ngl

[ruby saffron]

Even now battlefield will maintain a decent player base because there are at the least the console players who play whatever entry is new no matter what

Case in point call of duty, they play anything

[olive lake]

Honestly if you want my input, I have no care for skill, stats or anything like that. I just wanna have fun unlocking stuff the way I'd like.

Just as I had been promised before launch

[chilly oak]

Killing bots

[ruby saffron]

Once they add a battle pass and stuff to grind for it’ll get even more people on consoles because that’s all they care about in most games

[hexed mango]

i.e. that guy on the top kills leaderboard...

who does nothing but stream the game 24/7 and sweats so hard that i think his sweat drops have sweat glands

[arctic grove]

does he use the K30 with drum and paik?

[olive lake]

Even though CoD sucks right now, at least their battle pass included progression for zombies and when people asked for unlockable weapons in zombies, they eventually did just that.

[hexed mango]

nah he plays angel with m5a3

[ruby saffron]

Some people really enjoy 2042, and might not be hundreds of thousands but it’s enough EA hasn’t thrown in the towel

[olive lake]

BF2042 on the other hand have done or acknowledged no such thing

[velvet sand]

Well they can't right now since they've presold Year 1 and need to deliver that content or refund everyone.

[ruby saffron]

Which means they will be doing shit to try to get more people to buy said pass

[olive lake]

Its just too bad most of those who enjoy 2042 are the same people who refuse to let others have fun.

Those who are cool with others playing how they want to or are neutral are cool in my books.

[ruby saffron]

It’s a sandbox play it how you want

[hexed mango]

explain

[velvet sand]

Alternatively...delivering the minimum-viable-support for it. Because 2042 was launched as a minimum-viable-product : |

[arctic grove]

i mean you paid 60+ for the game yeah you should be able to do what you want

to a degree

whats the point in even actually playing the game, designed to be PvP, if everything could be done against mindless AI

[olive lake]

I would....If the company wasn't punishing me for it

[velvet sand]

And then talking about "LESSON LEARNED" while selling us BF6

[hexed mango]

cause that seems like a very one sided view.

[olive lake]

But you knew that already.

[hexed mango]

but the game isnt a sandbox game...

[arctic grove]

Let's quit saying S1 is going to be minimum/sub-par content when we havent even received a roadmap yet, nor feedback for said roadmap for what the community wants in this game that can possibly be implemented

[hexed mango]

well you can play the game for fun and not leveling, if you want the fun of a sandbox game, dont cry when you cant get levels, because other players are trying to play a battlefield game, and compete.

[velvet sand]

Considering we likely aren't getting a roadmap ever per CM's...probably not.

[ruby saffron]

Then why are they rebuilding all the launch maps, why begin the process of adding 3 new maps, vehicles, guns, specialists. If they were truly going min effort they would have actually released that goddamn Santa skin

[hexed mango]

if you want the fun, have the fun, if you want the progression, play aow/featured.

you shouldn't complain about not getting xp for modifying what this game is, since you are literally changing how you play it, it becomes a different game

[uncut bay]

the issue is that dice said there would be full progression. If they hadn't there wouldn't be an issue

[olive lake]

It'd be nice to know what the hell is going on over there. Feels like they're grabbing straws

[velvet sand]

Rebuilding...they're making mostly minor changes to 2 maps over 4-5 months. The datamined maps likely aren't all for S1 and are likely early work for S2/3. New guns/vehicles/specialists/maps are all what they're legally obligated to deliver since that's what they sold folks with the Year 1 pass.

[ruby saffron]

They literally said all maps, current and planned are getting completely rebuilt though

[arctic grove]

Only 2 map reworks would be strange

[olive lake]

Honestly don't bother. They can't register that fact in their head

[velvet sand]

Link pls, because that wasn't in the "map feedback loop" post. All maps would be improved over Year 1, but the improvements are not "rebuilds", they're tweaks that leave the maps with tons of wasted space etc.

[hexed mango]

well

1. it would have been ripple effect, not dice
   -> if it was dice, then big bozo moment, they (dice) dont work on portal
2. they (ripple) probably didnt envision xp farmers. [which makes it less fun for people who actually play and earn xp legit]

[velvet sand]

If DICE/Ripple never predicted XP farms then that's like...worrying, because that's painfully predictable shit lol.

[olive lake]

Then these are the same people who made a pseudo XP farm a official experience.

[uncut bay]

well it was battlefield as a whole that said it on their marketing, so regardless of which studio pushed it, it's not my problem. If they were so incompetent that they couldn't foresee xp farming then what the fuck are they doing developing a triple A game?

[arctic grove]

which is my side of the debate, I perceive T1 as proficiency, yeah it can amount to time spent doing something, but dont you think if you have T1 MAV youve spent enough time with the MAV to be proficient? shows skill to me

[hexed mango]

point being, sure they said that, but it would be up to how the players use it in order to define those rules

[velvet sand]

lol yeah, and a really boring experience at that since it was so painfully easy to cheese by just...jumping on any box/roof/vehicle, dropping a supply crate, and farming zombies that just gathered around you and couldn't do anything.

[arctic grove]

like if you have T1 M5A3 i know youre chris kyle with it

[olive lake]

At least it was as close as Solo/Co-op got.

[hexed mango]

well... no.
cause battlefield as a whole doesn't have a voice like that. and it does matter which studio pushed it cause they are the ones that have that say. so, you believing in something with no real justification, is your fault.

[olive lake]

I wasn't happy about it but it was something.

[arctic grove]

I don't see any reason we won't to be honest, yet, maybe you can give me a new perspective

[hexed mango]

what did edge say that was unsurprisingly disagreed upon

[uncut bay]

...except it does lol, not my responsibility to chase down which company owned the intern that wrote up the web pages or the promotional tweets. They said it, they failed to keep their word. End of story

[velvet sand]

CM post in the forums about not being able to discuss future plans. The begging for a roadmap since launch that's been met with silence.

[arctic grove]

since they legally need to do 4 seasons, it wouldnt be hard to say what all will be done

[hexed mango]

well, if you did, then you wouldn't be following a false narrative, its not their fault that you were too lazy to figure it out yourself

[fiery shoal]

im confused, i always thought you can still earn xp through portal, its just capped?

[arctic grove]

ye, to a degree. but if im not mistaken, max just wants it entirely uncapped

[hexed mango]

well it was, then they restricted it, now they're bringing it back slightly

and yet some people still complain that they can't sit on a bot-filled server and grind bot kills for full XP.
cause some people don't realize others put in the effort to level up

[fiery shoal]

is it similar to people complaining about "no scoareboard" when we had one, it just wasnt a traditional scoreboard?

[olive lake]

Let's get one thing clear: you are correct I want it uncapped. More especially for AOW Solo/Co-op. As for portal, I'd be fine if it were moderate if AI were on but had no modifiers included.

[arctic grove]

and then argue that T1 doesnt show proficiency and just time spent on something,

like, do you NOT get good at something if you spend a lot of time with it?

[velvet sand]

lol, v1 scoreboard was legit worthless trash

[scenic tartan]

I dont think anyone would really care about progression being uncapped if there were real stat tracking that didnt include non-standard portal modes and didnt include AI

[uncut bay]

lazy to figure what out? What part are you not understanding? They marketed a feature of portal, that being full progression, then took that from players immediately after release. The fact that you call it a false narrative only strengthens my point of dice being utterly mindless as of late

[fiery shoal]

not arguing its not a bad scoreboard, but it was still a scoreboard

[hexed mango]

bruh what why...

because obviously its fun to allow people to sit in a game with literally 99% bots and get full xp, where other players are facing actual humans for full xp, by using skill.

[olive lake]

Like honestly if mastery has to be capped for this long, fine. But weeklies should at least count in solo/co-op period.

[hexed mango]

the squad board?

i actually liked that concept, it needed some work, but i liked it

[arctic grove]

weeklies probably wouldnt hurt to have some looser restrictions in solo/co-op i suppose

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/view/no-giga-chad-no-gif-21613582

[fiery shoal]

ehhh, maybe make it need more kills/whatever to get the skin

[olive lake]

Just earning XP (not even much of it mind you) is just a cruel kick to the crotch for those preferring PvE

[fiery shoal]

id be pissed working hard on a skin vs people when someone just went to bot farm in 10 minutes

[olive lake]

The attachment unlocks don't even work that well neither. Its buggy as hell

[hexed mango]

if you want a pve game, play a pve game though.

[arctic grove]

right, thats what im saying

[fiery shoal]

kind of this tbh...

[hexed mango]

exactly

[arctic grove]

and yeah bro, battlefield has... never been PvE

[slate meadow]

What's the latest with quantum TV anyway 😂

[hexed mango]

https://tenor.com/8cF3.gif

[arctic grove]

i mean in 2042 you have bots but the game is still structured around PvP to really progress in it

[near hare]

bruh, they just let tking happen in hardcore with no kick, is that some kind of joke

some braindead ape went around tking for 5 minutes LMFAO

[arctic grove]

lmfao

[fiery shoal]

i dont really get the point in complaining you cant get skins for a weapon that you would basically only see yourself since you only play pve anyways...

[hexed mango]

unless you count campaign, but that's still separate, so yeah.

[fiery shoal]

most skins are kind of a "look what i did other players"

[uncut bay]

but this time it was literally advertised as having a pve mode with full progression. It doesn't matter at all if that's not what it was before, that's what it was said to be this time. It really isn't a difficult concept to grasp

[hexed mango]

precisely, kinda defeats the entire point lmao

[hexed mango]

Source: Engine

[fiery shoal]

people mad on principle, but at the same times its really an unjustified complaint...

[arctic grove]

well like echo said, if that was advertised, thats on ripple effect since theyre working on it, and/or they didnt expect people to just farm virtually everything within the 1st week of the games launch on just bots

[olive lake]

They will gatekeep till this game dies.

[fiery shoal]

its like if i said i would give you a dollar and then didnt, then you went on for months about how i didnt give you a dollar...

[arctic grove]

you mean im gonna be gatekeeping forever?

[hexed mango]

from a certain point of view you are gatekeeping

[radiant prism]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-sky-walker-hayden-christensen-star-wars-point-of-view-jedi-are-evil-gif-14424424

[arctic grove]

okay maybe not forever but 10 or so years, along with all other battlefields thus far

[uncut bay]

it's like if you said you'd give me a cake for 20 bucks, then ate a slice of the cake right as i gave you the money. Is it a small thing? Yes. Was money spent on the assumption that i'd get the whole cake? Also yes

[hexed mango]

only a sith deals in absolutes

[hexed mango]

the money was spent on the assumption of a Battlefield PvP game, not a PvE game.

[uncut bay]

i'm done having this discussion with you in particular, please stop replying

[hexed mango]

ok, not my fault you're mad

[fiery shoal]

exactly, complaining on principle rather than it ACTUALLY being a big deal

dick move, they lied, etc.. doesnt really matter though

[uncut bay]

but it is a deal to many people, as is evident by many still being on dice's ass about it. That demographic that they lied to won't be satisfied until dice gives them that slice of cake back

[hexed mango]

kato, if you dont like the game, don't play it. if you have a problem with the game, don't play it. if you want a pve game, this isn't it.

"It really isn't a difficult concept to grasp"

• @uncut bay, a few minutes ago

oh wait i should have replied.

[fiery shoal]

i mean... of course youll be able to find someone who cares about something minor... doesnt mean they have a valid complaint

[hexed mango]

read my message :)

[uncut bay]

No

[whole plume]

My gun over heated on the attack helicopter so I became the weapon of mass destruction

[uncut bay]

why is wanting a game studio to keep their word not a valid desire?

[hexed mango]

[whole plume]

Exactly what happened

[fallen yarrow]

You're wasting your time replying to these clowns

[hexed mango]

who

[radiant prism]

The major problem with this argument is that it is hard to mechanically distinguish something so that it is easy for Solo players to use something purely for solo, while not allowing MP players an easy route to grind things resistance-free. This isn't a thing of malice, this is a problem of people exploiting a game mechanic and ruining it for other people.

[fiery shoal]

because the part their word is referring to is like .07% of what the entire package is really concerned about

[hexed mango]

everything

[mild crystal]

Anyone else struggling to f8nd a server on ps4

[radiant prism]

The solo exploiters are who you should be mad at, not necessarily DICE

[fiery shoal]

no need to name call because people dont agree with others

[arctic grove]

which is like echo said most likely something ripple effect didnt even expect players to do

[velvet sand]

Naw, the exploiting was painfully predictable and they should not have been caught flat-footed.

[fiery shoal]

which is naïve on their part, but thats a different topic

[hexed mango]

ooh nice job using the accent

[fiery shoal]

auto corrected

[arctic grove]

lol

[radiant prism]

Careful with that hindsight bias. They made it out of good faith, and that was exploited.

[hexed mango]

i assumed lol

[fiery shoal]

aint nobody got time for that, i dont even punctate my shit

[hexed mango]

i sorta kinda maybe possibly have edge

[radiant prism]

Everything is clearer in hindsight. Its a valid argument, but doesn't exactly mean it was clear in the moment.

[uncut bay]

i'm sorry but xp farms have existed since the dawn of humanity. If a studio with this much experience was unable to predict it then i really am just lost for words

[fiery shoal]

with how the launch was, i doubt they were really concerned with fixing a problem ahead of time, considering how many other problems were apparent at launch

[fiery shoal]

look at reply above

[hexed mango]

grammarly moment

[uncut bay]

yeah i was gonna bring that up. I don't want to believe that they simply didn't know it would happen, it's likely that they had other priorities, but still the responsibility was theirs

[fallen yarrow]

I found it even more hilarious when DICE ended up releasing their own xp farm - the zombie mode. Which also added full progression

[uncut bay]

yeah that one... i can't think of any excuses for that

[fiery shoal]

wasnt it random if you were a zombie or not?

in your own made portal mode you could control if you were farming or not..

[velvet sand]

This. No hindsight required, it was painfully predictable.

[fallen yarrow]

DICE already said they accounted for xp farm and had measures in place to deal with it. This was in response to people asking about progression in PvE modes during/before launch.

[arctic grove]

even if it had full progression i assume the lobby playercount for that mode was way lower than 64 or 128 players, i could be wrong

[olive lake]

I'm glad someone has a mutual perspective

[arctic grove]

which makes it totally different from 64/128 bots

[fallen yarrow]

There is literally 0 reason to restrict xp and progression, after they already advertised it

[fiery shoal]

theres a bunch of reasons, it just goes against what they said

[fallen yarrow]

There is 0 sound reason for PvP players to fight for locking progression either. It takes nothing from your experience if PvE players can unlock stuff

The only reason DICE backtracked on their word is because they want to now sell xp boosts

[fiery shoal]

earning a skin the hard way vs the easy way..

[fallen yarrow]

There is nothing 'hard' in the sense it doesnt take skill, only time. It takes more time since some of the unlocking mechanics were broken for months (ex counting spawns in transport vehicles)

[fiery shoal]

i dont care for cosmetics, but i do care about showing off my skills, and if some shitter can go to bots to get that same brag thats a bit annoying

[fallen yarrow]

That's a you problem

[fiery shoal]

and you caring about full unlocks in pve is a you problem as well...

[fallen yarrow]

Your level number or the mastery number on the player card should be enough for 'showing off'...right?

[arctic grove]

[tame apex]

is does not matter get a lobby with your friends farm new players EZ lvl up even in full progression
untill they dont add a good matchmaking system it does not matter i was in a lobby againt a full team above 150 lvl and enemy first and second fragger score was higher than my entire team in hardcore rush

[fiery shoal]

thats a huge assumption based on nothing..

[fallen yarrow]

I care about DICE lying about the progression. Not specifically about the PvE vs PvP aspect. I'm a PvP player

[arctic grove]

it isnt a you problem, there is nothing to work forward to to show you are especially good at a thing in the game, something plenty of games, especially fps games have.

maybe you can convince me "its not the same", but this is like being able to just kill bots in call of duty for Damascus skin, or master prestige

[fallen yarrow]

If DICE mentioned during their advertising that some progression would be restricted between PvE or PvP, again...I would not have a problem

[fiery shoal]

i personally dont get being so offended on principle

[fallen yarrow]

Again, that's a you problem. Some people have principles...some don't

[fiery shoal]

you say that like they have some sort of honor or self respect, when to me it just comes off as a kind of karen level of complaint

[fallen yarrow]

I personally dont get people defending scummy practices of million dollar companies

That's a me problem though...I need to research more into the psychology of consumers and brand loyalists

[arctic grove]

you do have a point since cod has never advertised a thing of that like, but can you tell me what can be added to the game to show skill/proficiency if someone can sit in solo for 30 minutes just killing bots for T1 skins?

[fiery shoal]

doesnt matter if its a major company or an indie dev, if they lied about some minor aspect of the game thats not really a big deal...

[hexed mango]

its probably someone blocked who's talking cause i dont see messages, is it vulcan or edge?

seems like a rather explosive conversation

[olive lake]

Just the common issue of this current generation of gaming.

[fiery shoal]

this 100% has nothing to do with our conversation and just proves you arent really here to get to the truth but to throw shit back and forth

[copper fulcrum]

Throwing shit back and forth is a wonderful activity isn't it?

[fallen yarrow]

Ya, it's sad. Results in the rest of us getting bad quality products

[arctic grove]

Muh my progression oh nooo

[arctic grove]

yes, monke confirms

[copper fulcrum]

Got my hands tied for a like a week or so, court case and shit.

[fallen yarrow]

Imagine the state of Battlefront II (and all EA games since then) if people hadn't complained about the progression system back then

[olive lake]

That and it closes off games to certain players. If games were open and offered options for everybody, games would be doing so much better.

[copper fulcrum]

I'd rather be throwing shit than do that.

[arctic grove]

No

[fiery shoal]

whats a bigger contributor to this is if you and max buy the next title, despite 2042 problems. people saying "not having full portal progression isnt a problem" is HARDLY a contributor to that scenario.. basically suggesting that dice/ea reads this forum and goes "hehe nyphon doesnt care we lied about portal progression, we can release more shitty bf titles"

[fallen yarrow]

Do you know why DICE added PvE progression in the first place? In previous people would set up dedicated servers to farm achievements, boost or unlock stuff anyway. Domination - flag capture only, etc.

[arctic grove]

all i remember was dedicated sniper only servers on golmud railway

those were good times

Boosting L

[copper fulcrum]

PVE Players can get 99% of the content available still anyways. You can get maybe about 13k-16k XP each solo/restricted portal match which isn't even bad.

Only thing that cannot be achieved is Tier 1/2 Mastery

[fiery shoal]

but dice lied...

they said 100%, we got 98%...

[copper fulcrum]

lmao

[fiery shoal]

ITS ABOUT THE PRINCIPLE

[hexed mango]

OMG DUDE I GONNA COMMIT ARSON BECUASE OF THIS

[copper fulcrum]

Oh no, I can only get 650 kills instead of 1,200 for progression

[fallen yarrow]

Which is completely fine, if DICE had advertised that. They could have even apologized after the fact and created a specific set of PvP only achievements

So cringe @fiery shoal . In capable of having a discussion, just like the rest of the server boosters on this server

[copper fulcrum]

Bottom Gear

Nyphon is a regular not a Server Booster

[fiery shoal]

says the guy that entered the conversation by calling everyone who "opposed" you/max clowns... not a server booster either...

[fallen yarrow]

I know it's my fault that I'm wasting time expecting anything better from people on this discord...but I was bored

[fallen yarrow]

If you're not a clown, stop acting like one maybe?

[fiery shoal]

apparently not caring that dice lied about a very insignificant part of their game is now being a clown...

[fallen yarrow]

Why are you hell bent on defending DICE when DICE is in the wrong?

What's in it for you?

[hexed mango]

m44 is op in hc

[fallen yarrow]

If you don't care, that's fine....but seems like you do care...evident by how much you're defending them each time someone calls them out

[fiery shoal]

not defending, ive straight up said dice pulled a dick move and lied, i just think its objectively not a big deal for absolutely anyone...

[copper fulcrum]

It's not even a defense, he's just calling out your whining/complaining..

[fiery shoal]

and yea, i like to point out how unreasonable people can be because "lul 2042 bad"

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, max health in Hardcore is 60 and the M44 does 60 until 40 meters

[fallen yarrow]

People have valid concerns/complaints and you guys keep saying it's 'insignificant' just because it doesnt affect you personally

[fiery shoal]

just uninstall and move on.. touch grass so to say

[slate meadow]

tbf though 2042 still isnt worth the £60 they are asking for it

[fiery shoal]

even if it did affect me personally, and i was a solo player, not getting a skin is hardly anything thats worth this level of hatred...

[fallen yarrow]

Just block and move on

[slate meadow]

but if you can get it for say £20 you get your moneys worth

[arctic grove]

40 minimum mate lmao

[copper fulcrum]

Most of them are just Black and Red recolors anyway

[fallen yarrow]

Really, I'm going to go ahead and block you @fiery shoal . You should do the same...just so that you don't get triggered in the future

[fiery shoal]

not even triggered...

[arctic grove]

That because the young gamers want it easy and now look at doom new piss easy old was a nightmare

[slate meadow]

i got 40hours in it and tbh probably wont play now untill season 1 as im so bored of the maps already but hey 50p an hour isnt to bad

[fiery shoal]

dude basically rage quit a civil discussion... well at least on my end

[copper fulcrum]

Doom 2 was easy, especially if you compare it to the other shooters at the time ngl