battlefield-2042

[glad mist]

watcha gonna do about it?

cope some more?

[worthy inlet]

How about you both calm down and stop

[chilly oak]

This is the day

[sturdy patrol]

He will never stop defending that game

[glad mist]

seems to be a common thing on this server

[hollow verge]

I don't think so

[chilly oak]

I thought it was confirmed

[arctic grove]

I love you

[chilly oak]

It said "at the start of the week" sooo

[arctic grove]

anyone still playing 2042 is just being desperate at this point tbh

[grizzled whale]

who would expect people saying good things about a game in a channel made for that game

[arctic grove]

the player base is below the dirt rn and dice are silent

[grave prism]

patch day is tuesday or wefnesdya im pretty sure, never on a monday

[chilly oak]

Patch notes

[arctic grove]

not to mention almost nothing has changed since launch (7 months ago lmfao)

[grave prism]

they have literally been talking about the patch for the past week

[chilly oak]

Loads have. Gun play, modes, qol

[arctic grove]

then they go on their 6 month hiatus

[sturdy patrol]

400 individual fixes 🤡

[chilly oak]

If you actually played the game you would know

[arctic grove]

well im just gonna wait and see what happens after the update

gonna be fun watching dice break 600 things

[glad mist]

it'll go down like BFV but worse, they'll drop support as soon as the two year period ends

[arctic grove]

there has been 0 content since launch

[chilly oak]

There literally hasn't

[glad mist]

leaving 2042 with no replayability watsoever except for maybe it's Portal mode, however they're planning to improve that beyond it just being a base game reskin or stuff

[shy latch]

launch was on November 19th 2021, not 7 months ago

[arctic grove]

6 months ago whatever, my point still stands

[shy latch]

*5 months

[arctic grove]

this game is destined to die a forgotten death

loved by nobody, hated by everyone

[sturdy patrol]

"Battlefield 2042 enthusiasts waiting for someone to make a small mistake to rage"

[wise swan]

it already died

[grave prism]

LOL god youre so dramatic, go outside and run around a bit

[chilly oak]

It has, modes, qol, balance, bug fixes, bloom and gun play fix, skins

[arctic grove]

oh yeah and that groundbreaking scoreboard

[shy latch]

all games are will die, only exception is Minecraft I guess

[arctic grove]

1,636
playing 5 min ago2,227
24-hour pea

pinnacle of innovation

[glad mist]

still doesn't play like a good Battlefield tho

[arctic grove]

and literally zero content

[chilly oak]

It does to me

[arctic grove]

i mean tbh i expect more from a "live service" in 2022

[glad mist]

it doesn't to millions of other fans

go figure

[chilly oak]

I scrolled and you was arguing earlier....don't you have stuff to do

[arctic grove]

what if i dont?

[glad mist]

2042 fans when they run out of arguments

[chilly oak]

Or do u like having bf that much

[chilly oak]

Ok. It satisfies me so I'm happy

[arctic grove]

im the last guy to hate on bf

[glad mist]

so you're an egoist?

[sturdy patrol]

"minority"

[arctic grove]

the silent minority, the screeching majority

wonderful specimen

[chilly oak]

Dunno even know what an egoist is

[glad mist]

good talk lol

[arctic grove]

if it played like a good battlefield ea wouldnt call it a failure and the game wouldnt have a hard time breaking 2000 players on steam

[sturdy patrol]

He wouldn't get it.

[glad mist]

Noo you see, as long as HE's enjoying it he doesn't care. Way to have a view on the world. lol

[arctic grove]

the post truth era of modern media

I believe therefore I am right.

[glad mist]

@arctic grove do you still play BF4 btw

[arctic grove]

yea i do

[glad mist]

are you a fellow farmer

[sturdy patrol]

I was planning to download it xd

[glad mist]

or fellow ground ant

[arctic grove]

objective facts and integrity play a subordinate role in shaping the publics opinion compared to personal beliefs and opinions

[sturdy patrol]

Ight enough cringefield for me, you guys have a great day

[arctic grove]

have a great day

[glad mist]

no u

[night vessel]

we want the update notes!

https://tenor.com/view/patchie-patch-mordhau-gaming-patchie-armageddon-gif-16415602

[tall finch]

sorry, those are brutal expectations

[arctic grove]

its too brutal in fact

[tall finch]

we will deliver patch notes in 12 months and deliver the actual patch by 2042

[arctic grove]

who are you to expect dice to deliver something as simple as patch notes on time?

[waxen turret]

old dice devs are coming together to talk for a new company

[tall finch]

patch notes on time? THATS TOO HARD

[arctic grove]

they barely managed to make a scoreboard and voip in 6 months man

come on cut the indie devs at dice some slack, obviously patch notes on time are too hard

[tall finch]

dude

i agree, indie devs are putting too much love and hard work, cut them some slack guys

[shy latch]

tomorrow, today is still holiday

[arctic grove]

whats wrong with pressing a button and publishing patch notes?

not like there is some hard work involved here, literally a button

[shy latch]

is simply that today is a non-working day

[arctic grove]

dude there is no work being done here

its just a damn button on a website

[compact sleet]

It’s a holiday. Vacation. Nobody works.

[grizzled whale]

because thats obviously how that works

"just press a button"

[shy latch]

what about if it's a red button?

[arctic grove]

how else do you publish blog posts? its already been typed out and finalized most likely

all it needs is to be published on ea's site

[grizzled whale]

several social media platforms that need to be updated, websites that need to be updated with the information, they need community managers active to answer questions about the patch notes/updates otherwise the community will just talk shit on them for not doing that

[arctic grove]

community managers active to answer questions? lmao

they already said they wont answer any more questions

[grizzled whale]

if it was as simple as them pressing a button they would have done that by now

[arctic grove]

also what community managers? i have never seen one

[shy latch]

don't push the red button tho, never ever do it

[grave prism]

they are not at work

why would they do it on public holiday

[arctic grove]

ok fine you write a quick tweet with a link redirecting to the blog post attached to it, anything else?

[grave prism]

@arctic grove

[grizzled whale]

they wont get paid for that, so why would they do that

[grave prism]

it is a public holiday lmao what dont you understand

[grizzled whale]

People really complaining a company doesnt work on an international holiday now

[arctic grove]

i doubt the community managers are getting paid much anyways considering the awful job they have done

[grizzled whale]

imma just post
🔟 Do not harass users who express enjoyment for the franchise. You're free to express your opinion (positive or negative) in a constructive manner, however disrupting the chat and abusing users who have their personal views won't be tolerated. Constructive criticism & feedback is always encouraged, spreading toxicity while providing no useful, constructive feedback is not allowed. Our full stance on this type of conduct can be found here.

[arctic grove]

Alex talks to the fans but yeah never seen one

[arctic grove]

thats a weapon designer

[grave prism]

im pretty sure dice and ea treat their employees better than average for the industry they are in

[grizzled whale]

emphasis on Constructive criticism & feedback is always encouraged, spreading toxicity while providing no useful, constructive feedback is not allowed

[arctic grove]

i mean when a weapon designer talks more to the community than the community manager

[grizzled whale]

the community managers are active on the forums

[arctic grove]

Yeah that’s why I said not seen the other one

Проблема?

[grizzled whale]

they get paid to be active on forums and social media, not to do Q&A's in a community ran discord

[arctic grove]

they have literally gone for months without saying a single word about the game

gotta be the easiest job being a community manager at dice

[grizzled whale]

have you even been on the forums?

just because you havent seen it doesnt mean they havent been active there

[arctic grove]

yea i just skimmed through it and have only seen one post by a community manager

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-hmmm-gif-21574594

https://twitter.com/T0TALfps/status/1516027852352802817?s=20&t=5yW_q1gV6MP8o42LASNRZw

Kevin Johnson (@T0TALfps)

@Embroyonicend_ Patch Notes in a few hours time, Update will follow tomorrow once the team is back in from the holidays.

Twitter · Apr 18, 2022, 12:16 PM

[grizzled whale]

just on the first page of the forums theres 7 posts with replies from community managers

[bright wharf]

👀

Patch notes, yay

[grizzled whale]

Sorry, on the first page of the general discussion section of the forums

[arctic grove]

didnt you tell me they wont publish the patch notes today because its a holiday?

Imagine releasing 2042, and then expecting to be able to take vacation. lol

clearly dice thinks otherwise, because it really doesnt take much work at all to do it

[grizzled whale]

on the technical issues section first page theres 23 posts with replies from community managers

[arctic grove]

if publishing patch notes was actual "work" they wouldnt do it today no?

[grizzled whale]

We said you shouldnt expect them to because its a holiday, them still doing it is just a good thing

Or atleast thats the point we were trying to make

[arctic grove]

i have no reason not to expect them to but it really is just as simple as pushing the button on an already written out wall of text

[lucid goblet]

not really....

[grizzled whale]

didnt expect it, was wrong, props to dice for doing it anyway

[arctic grove]

Does it hurt?

[grizzled whale]

when i fell out of heaven? not really but thanks for the compliment

[lucid goblet]

[night vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/lordoftherings-soitbegins-gif-4545856

[olive lake]

Finally...this update better be worth it...or else I might be done with this game's BS

[lucid goblet]

Soon™

[night vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/mordhau-patchie-patch-please-patch-pls-patchie-now-gif-17522311

[tired magnet]

Lmfao taking so long to find a match

Wonder why

[arctic grove]

hmmmm i wonder

[arctic grove]

I would search the steam charts and see why...

what could it possibly be? let me think

[lucid goblet]

steam charts lol

really

[arctic grove]

yes really

[tired magnet]

I learned my lesson, I will never pre order a game again

[arctic grove]

its undeniable evidence that this game's player base is dwindling very quickly

[lucid goblet]

i hate that people seem to think that the steam numbers are the epitome of concurrent player numbers.....

[tired magnet]

Still

[arctic grove]

because logically it scales to the entire picture

why wouldnt it?

They are not exact, but a direct reflection of the trend of players.

[tired magnet]

It gives a rough representation of what’s going on

[arctic grove]

steam accounts for around 19% or sth of the entire player base

[lucid goblet]

not really, a vast majority of players use origin/EA desktop, then theres players on epic store, then take the amount of players on both generations of consoles..... so no... it's not

[night vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Battlefield/comments/u63b6c/me_protecting_my_team_with_the_mobile_aa_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
what it feels like when in the Hellcat

[arctic grove]

This is where I am supposed to believe that there are huge numbers of people playing when I can't even find a match...lol

[arctic grove]

lmao origin is dwarfed by steam in terms of traffic and user base

also steam players automatically count as origin players just so you know

[visual gazelle]

While true, when you compare Steam Battlefield 2042 numbers to Battlefield V numbers, you can sort of see the trend and assume a similar ratio on other storefronts.

[arctic grove]

That comment was expected. I just wish it wouldn't have taken so long. I was expecting more with the time it took to type that.

also who the hell buys battlefield on the epic store

[night vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-want-it-now-veruca-salt-willie-wonka-chocolate-factory-impatient-gif-17131695

[arctic grove]

going off of steam numbers its pretty safe to assume that the total player count is somewhere around 8000-9000

Carpo, apparently you have the numbers, so can you let us know the player count..because people are always saying they can't find a game.

and im being generous here

[glad mist]

steam numbers are the epitome in 2042s case cause most purchases and preorders of it ran over Steam

[arctic grove]

and its the biggest pc platform by a GIGANTIC margin

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-rofl-laughing-ketawa-gif-10164703

[grizzled whale]

but origin players arent counted on steamcharts....
and usually steam overshadows origin yeah, but not for a franchise where the majority of players played on origin before the games were released on steam

[glad mist]

and afaik theres no standalone version of BF2042

[arctic grove]

nothing comes close, origin is a speck of dust in comparison

[grizzled whale]

most people still only play and buy BF games on origin

[night vessel]

this got me laughing

[glad mist]

except Origin is linked to Steam when you preordered it there

[mossy badge]

thing is if game that i want to buy is available on steam i will never look for trash like origin but sadly when u play battlefield origin launches anyway

[arctic grove]

If you shill long enough, you will start to believe it!

[grizzled whale]

The steam version launches trough origin, but the origin version doesnt launch trough steam

So origin players are not represented in steamcharts

[glad mist]

it literally requires you to have steam running if you bought it there

[arctic grove]

Imagine continually finding anyway to shill for BF2042.

[fierce gull]

some do it to piss people off and it works

[arctic grove]

I don't get mad. It makes me laugh at how stupid people can be.

I do understand it is not their fault....so I understand.

[grizzled whale]

you can play 2042 without even having steam installed

[glad mist]

yes

if you bought it on origin, which most people havent cause they preordered and bought via steam since it was most advertised there

[grizzled whale]

no, the majority of players bought the game on origin

[edgy oriole]

i was big dumb and bought it on epic instead of origin

[arctic grove]

Proof.

[arctic grove]

if you perpetuate the lie long enough and see others believe it, you start to become delusional and believe it too

[pine roost]

Well if someone has every other bf game on origin it would make sense that they got it on origin as to not make it confusing

[grizzled whale]

^

[arctic grove]

Waiting for that link...

[grizzled whale]

theres no proof of it, but its just logic

[glad mist]

go figure why its so hard to find games in 2042 and why steam numbers are so long at the same time

[arctic grove]

the self-perpetuating cycle of validation

[grizzled whale]

just as how you have no proof that most people play on steam

[fierce gull]

Tom Henderson did say 16% of the playerbase was steam

[lucid goblet]

^^ lol

henderson

[fierce gull]

if you believe him

[arctic grove]

there is no reason to believe otherwise, steam is singlehandedly the largest pc platform by a huge margin

and logically most people go onto steam to buy pc games

its not mental gymnastics, its simple facts and logic

[arctic grove]

I have proof how many people play it on steam..that is the proof I have. You have nothing. Are you hoping the shill will get you a mod position? lol

[grizzled whale]

not when they own the rest of the franchise on a different platform

[arctic grove]

These mods be funny. I think they are trolling us.

[grizzled whale]

exactly, you have no idea how many people play on origin, but logically, its more than steam

[arctic grove]

ever wondered why bf got a huge player count push when it arrived on steam?

[glad mist]

theres a direct connection between how empty the games are and how little the playercount is on steam

[arctic grove]

Logically you have no proof. So..there is that.

you can go figure that out yourself

[eternal storm]

breaking news for bf2042: nothing new here, play something else

[glad mist]

but go on keep telling yourself you are right.

[grizzled whale]

neither do you

[arctic grove]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[arctic grove]

we have steam player counts and hard numbers, what do you have?

[grizzled whale]

wheres the hard numbers of how many people are playing on origin

[arctic grove]

thats what im asking you

[grizzled whale]

so you dont know

[fierce gull]

can you guys complain about women now like bfv
this is getting boring

[arctic grove]

never said i did

[grizzled whale]

you said you had hard numbers

[fierce gull]

complain about Sundance being in the game or smth

[arctic grove]

thats not my line of argument anyways

[eternal storm]

why are you arguing about the numbers playing- the game is a failure with regards to quality

who cares how many are playing? dice dont

[arctic grove]

yes i have the steam player count, steam statistics and tom henderson's statement (most likely reliable)

[arctic grove]

Failure in quality = low player base.

[eternal storm]

yea- but that ship has sailed, im amazed peolpe are still using this chat

[grizzled whale]

tom hendersons statement says that steam is 16% of the pc playerbase

so that kind of undermines your argument doesnt it

[fierce gull]

damn

[arctic grove]

add to that ps4, xbox one, series s/x and ps5

you will see it adds up and that origin represents only a small fraction of the player base

it doesnt hold a candle to steam

[lucid goblet]

What platform are you playing on? and region?

[arctic grove]

EU/PC/Xbox

Even used a VPN to get different regions..nothing. lol

[grizzled whale]

if steam is 16%, then origin and epic combined are 84% that would mean theres AT LEAST 10k players on pc, so how is steamcharts an accurate representation of that

[arctic grove]

???????????

i hope you realize that steam is 16% of the ENTIRE player base

[eternal storm]

10k for a game like this is a failure still...

[grizzled whale]

which is not the point

[arctic grove]

I am so glad there is a block feature, and I don't have to see that the person messages..lol

[hollow verge]

today patch notes?

[arctic grove]

because ofc it makes total sense that origin and epic make up 84% of the entire player base

[fierce gull]

in a few hours

[arctic grove]

such sound logic, man i have been enlightened

[grizzled whale]

affaik its 16% of the pc playerbase

[arctic grove]

there is no reason to believe that

unless you want to sugarcoat the situation and be disingenous ofc

[grizzled whale]

it does, since origin is the preferred platform for battlefield games

[pine roost]

Technically speaking, the steam playerbase is also the origin playerbase since it has to launch through origin anyway

[arctic grove]

This conversation makes no sense anymore with people being blocked. I am out of here. Enjoy your BF2042 games that do not exist.

[pine roost]

So origin has to have more players anyway

[grizzled whale]

maybe dont block people when you cant have a normal argument?

[arctic grove]

https://twitter.com/_tom_henderson_/status/1466733031981559812?s=21&t=caC3iiSbLtVoIxltrQ6ZXg

Active Users was 1.67M across all platforms.
Concurrent Users was 269,000 across all platforms.

Steam players appear to be around 20% of the player base [...].

I just want to know if you guys claim there are so many players, why do people continually have problems playing a game? At some point you have to admit to yourself the truth. I know it hurts, but you have to do it. See ya.

there you go numbers

[arctic grove]

and that was during the holidays, which is absolute prime time

[grizzled whale]

nobody denies the game is dying, we are saying that steamcharts is in no way representative of the entire playercount\

[arctic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/fuckyeah-yeah-ya-yes-yup-gif-5820940

[arctic grove]

it is representative, as it shows the overall trend of the player base

[fierce gull]

finally voip tomorrow so I can blow into the mic and be annoying

[grizzled whale]

you really are hopeless

[hard plume]

ThE GaMe iS dEaD

[arctic grove]

you just want to perpetuate that lie of yours so that eventually believe in it you yourself and take it for granted as the truth

[hard plume]

Like god intended

[arctic grove]

that was in december, its april now

and the game regularly hits 1000 players or below that on steam

[hard plume]

The game was dead then too

[grizzled whale]

its generally known that steamcharts isnt an accurate representation because there is literally no way of knowing how many players there are in total

[lucid goblet]

Hmm i just loaded up into 128 BT, got straight into a match 🤔

[arctic grove]

seems like reading comprehension is a problem

[grizzled whale]

its just used by senseless haters to try to say what everyone already knows: the game is losing players

[fierce gull]

photoshop

[shy latch]

I'm having a deja vù.....

[arctic grove]

how about this: the game isnt even in the top 50 in player count on xbox

[hard plume]

That’s just a trick by EA, they made it only APEAR like the game is full

[grizzled whale]

and is there a playercount for the #50 game?

[lucid goblet]

maybe change the tune now.... it's getting boring

[arctic grove]

Yeah, and PUBG has bots to..

[fierce gull]

and fortnite

[lucid goblet]

no bots in there

[edgy oriole]

[hard plume]

Stop it! You’re going against the narrative!

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spock-dazzling-display-logic-star-trek-gif-16343803

[arctic grove]

Of course you will say that...You have to stick to your guns...anyways, I gtg.

[edgy oriole]

[hard plume]

No…dont go….stay

[lucid goblet]

ok.... clearly in the clip it's 64 players v 64 players ... but you do you ...

[grizzled whale]

its not like he literally shows the player list in the video or anything

[arctic grove]

do you need the player count for the #50 game on xbox? just it being lower (likely MUCH lower) than that is enough to assume the game is on its deathbed

[grizzled whale]

yes, you do

if that #50 game has a million players, 2042 can have anywhere between 0 and 1 million players on

[arctic grove]

like i said steam being roughly 20% of the player base entails that around 6000 people are playing in total rn

thats below abysmal for a high profile AAA game like bf

[fierce gull]

I have been getting the aim sight bug in portal more often

[grizzled whale]

so 2000 is 20% of 6000?

[fierce gull]

i wanna see that shiet in the notes today

[grizzled whale]

ok

[arctic grove]

excuse me 8000

[pine roost]

I’d like to see some jet fixes in the notes

[arctic grove]

and to be generous lets make it 9000 players in total

[grizzled whale]

2000 is 20% of 8000?

[fierce gull]

10,000

[pine roost]

And if I’m extremely dilusional some changes to the weaponry

[grizzled whale]

you are getting closer but still a bit off with the math

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-hamster-gif-4508050

[fierce gull]

the rear cam for jets in portal is so druggy

[arctic grove]

whatever, thats a pitiful player count for this game and could be considered dead by AAA standards

[grizzled whale]

But as you have said before that post from henderson was in december, we dont know how that percentage changed

steam could be 1% of the playerbase now for all we know

[arctic grove]

i dont see any reason why it would change

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-star-wars-stormtrooper-move-along-move-gif-12464798

[grizzled whale]

this is something nobody disagrees with

[hard plume]

Math is hard

[grizzled whale]

But that doesnt change that steamcharts is not accurate to the entire playerbase

[arctic grove]

all the casual players have quit by now and only the dedicated hardcore ones are still left

[pine roost]

Not again, this word already haunts my dreams 😫

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/soon-gif-19121692

[jovial whale]

Does someone now how to get the delay gone on ps4???

[grizzled whale]

what kind of delay

[fierce gull]

soon™️

[jovial whale]

Movement/shooting…..

[grizzled whale]

get better internet?

[lucid goblet]

using wifi or ethernet?

[chilly oak]

Why did I miss out on that shotgun skin dammit

[jovial whale]

Ethernet

[lucid goblet]

still active up until thursday!

[jovial whale]

And I have 70mbps download

I play on old gen

[grizzled whale]

he means the 12m skin

[lucid goblet]

oh.... sadge

[shy latch]

what's your ping when you look at the scoreboard?

[edgy oriole]

I have the super rare helo skin

[grizzled whale]

sell your account

[fierce gull]

same 😏

let's sell our account for $100,000 when people call this game underrated and play it again

[hard plume]

Im pissed i miss the tank skin

[pine roost]

Does Sweden have today off as well?

[lucid goblet]

yes today is still a holiday in SWE

[pine roost]

We have an extended bank holiday, so most people are off work today

Aight, so no patch notes today then I’m guessing

[hard plume]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fierce gull]

there is

[lucid goblet]

aye, they'll be out in a couple of hours last i read

[pulsar vine]

There is cause I asked the CM and got a yes

[pine roost]

Even while they are on a break?

[lucid goblet]

https://twitter.com/T0TALfps/status/1516027852352802817?s=20&t=5yW_q1gV6MP8o42LASNRZw

Kevin Johnson (@T0TALfps)

@Embroyonicend_ Patch Notes in a few hours time, Update will follow tomorrow once the team is back in from the holidays.

Likes

117

Twitter · Apr 18, 2022, 12:16 PM

[pulsar vine]

Cause that’s how Twitter works

[fierce gull]

[pine roost]

Oh nice 👍

[gleaming flame]

Anyone else hopeful this will be the start of the turn around for this game?

[shy latch]

me

[pine roost]

Well I don’t doubt everyone is hoping for that to be the case

[bleak nebula]

actually pretty curious

[shy latch]

oh wait, wdyem with "turn around"?

[pine roost]

@bleak nebula you looking out for jet changes too?

[bleak nebula]

hopefully, but I kinda feel like it might not be high priority since there are enough other stuff to fix too

[pine roost]

Yeah that’s my concern too. But some decent jet changes would be enough to bring me back for a couple weeks maybe

[arctic grove]

i wouldnt trust dice with anything rn

[pine roost]

No camera roll toggle genuinely makes me nauseous though

[bleak nebula]

same

[glad mist]

who says that the 16% number isn't just copium PR

if i've learnt one thing in the past decade, it's that video game companies love their PR

[fierce gull]

money*

[glad mist]

and ultimately their shareholders*

[fierce gull]

money*

[glad mist]

good PR equals good stock activity

[fierce gull]

preorders

[pine roost]

I also hope for some sort of balance changes are being made to vehicles in this patch, the latv shouldn’t have a cannon on it

[fierce gull]

they did say something about vehicle balance

didn't they say they are gonna change the nightbird to a different section

[frosty mural]

One of the better looking skins that's different than the rotation - add it with the t-rex charm and good to goo

[pulsar vine]

The nightbird needs a nerf it’s so annoying

[glad mist]

it needs an actual flight model

so not every schmuck is able to pull 60-0 games with it

[pine roost]

If im able to easily go on mad streaks, someone who never learnt to properly fly the scout in bf4, then you know it’s too easy to use

[glad mist]

exactly

it's a thing with all vics in 2042, just way too casualized and toned down on the skill floor

[pine roost]

I’m not afraid to admit that I should be really bad with it. But I tried bf4 after quitting 2042 and the difference was astonishing

I’m learning now how to fly the helis better, but 2042 just does it so badly

Also have you noticed how the tanks in 2042 have no angular damage multiplier? You could hit the side at any angle and deal max damage

[glad mist]

tanks in general drive like ass in 2042

[pine roost]

You need no consideration for getting into a position that allows for a stronger impact

[glad mist]

and aiming the turret feels like you're playing the Ground Assault vehicles from Modern Warfare

[pine roost]

I don’t know what they play like but the turrets are incredibly slow

[frosty mural]

Update incoming tomorrow

music to my ears

[grizzled whale]

tanks need more power to go uphill

other than that they are balanced

tank turrets turning slow makes it so its not overpowered

and you can always speed up the turning by moving the actual tank

[glad mist]

didnt know that turret rotation in the past battlefields was overpowered

thats a new one

[pine roost]

Well you could do what 4 does and not have any turret rotation delay so you can be accurate when aiming

[grizzled whale]

When you can 4 shot a tank with an AA tank while the turret can keep up with a tank moving away is pretty overpowered yeah

[winged stream]

Waiting for note...

[glad mist]

then don't have the AA tank 4shot an MBT

instead of nerfing the turret rotation on all tanks

[grizzled whale]

or slow down the turret

[glad mist]

game design

[grizzled whale]

its perfectly fine when you actually move the tank along with the turret

means you actually need to do something other than aim

makes it harder to use properly, so its "bad"

[glad mist]

nah it's just shit game design

this is battlefield, not world of tanks

[grizzled whale]

expected you to say that, just proves my point

something isnt as easy as it used to be so its bad now

[glad mist]

its clunky and unsatisfying to use. Everyone is used to the same similar vehicle game play from literally every previous title of the franchise

[grizzled whale]

how is it clunky?

[glad mist]

its shit game design, you can shill it as much as you want

[grizzled whale]

you want tanks in a game, expect to use it like a tank is actually used

[grizzled whale]

this is literally you right now

[glad mist]

im driving modern MBT not some WW2 tank that doesn't have electric turret drives

[grizzled whale]

the turrets move about as fast as a modern battletank moves

[slim quiver]

MUH realism

[glad mist]

its not even realism

[grizzled whale]

seems like you expect tanks to be able to recreate the helicopter meme

[slim quiver]

I kind of expect tanks to be unrealistic which is what they are

[glad mist]

you cant just have your turret take 10 seconds to turn the other way when you also need to have your tank in position to reverse it outta a hot zone when people start swarming you with RPGs

[grizzled whale]

dont stop inside of a hotzone then

the turrets move as fast as they should

[slim quiver]

To be fair it’s better than tanks just sitting back and sniping like 20 people with 1 shell

[pine roost]

Best tank clip ever is the one where they launch it in the path of a jet and blow it up with the cannons

[wise zodiac]

I like realism.

But this game isn't it

#bubbleburst

[glad mist]

this again shows that the devs don't know what Battlefield is, completly buthering the fast paced and dynamic vehicle gameplay for unnecessary supposed game balances which ultimately raise the skill floor and lower the skill ceiling

[grizzled whale]

its not that hard, you literally can make it faster by doing one simple thing

[glad mist]

by playing BF4 yeah

[wise zodiac]

Turning faster, duh

[glad mist]

yes turn your tank so you get stuck

pepega gameplay and game design

[wise zodiac]

I mean, if you know how to operate tanks, it really isn't difficult.

[grizzled whale]

if you get stuck simply by turning your tank its not the tank that sucks

[tiny imp]

BF3 in portal is really good remake. I hope they add more maps to bf3 in portal

[wise zodiac]

If you get stuck by just turning your tank, you aren't aware of your surroundings and put yourself in a position where you can't turn free and clear.. that's not a developer issue, that's a skill/user issue.

[grizzled whale]

so slow

[slim quiver]

To be fair this game is more for vehicle players than any battlefield game in recent times

[glad mist]

literally go play BF3 or 4 and then this shitty game, you'll see what i mean

[grizzled whale]

literally what i said before

[slim quiver]

How does anyone get stuck in a 2042 map

The entire map is an open playground

[grizzled whale]

just because it takes a VERY TINY bit more to do the same thing, doesnt mean it sucks

[frosty mural]

Ppl put their tank in the middle of 20 enemies without moving then get pissed off when it's disabled in a matter of 3 seconds

[wise zodiac]

Yep, that's a skill/user issue, not a developer issue.

[bleak nebula]

yeah I actually had fun on bf3 maps in 2042, then I went to play bf3 again, and realised bf3 is still way better

[grizzled whale]

unironic use of "skill issue" i like it

[edgy oriole]

people just wanna kill the whole enemy team without dying. is that too much to ask for smh

[wise zodiac]

You're comparing apples to bananas on this one.

BF2042 is a whole new dev team. BF3 dev team had years of experience under them at this point.

[glad mist]

2042 casuals who cry about vehicles being too OP when skilled users can actually use their aim, pulling the skill issue card

[grizzled shell]

Ñ

[slim quiver]

If you think that turret rotation is slow, don’t play any game that actually designs tanks. That rotation is lightning speed compared to other games

[slim quiver]

Vehicles are OP

You can’t blow someone’s head off with a revolver when they’re in a tank

[glad mist]

only say noobs

[edgy oriole]

we need wd-40 gadget in 2042 for faster turrets

[wise zodiac]

.... yes

[bleak nebula]

but games don't need to have the same devs to be compared

[grizzled whale]

says the person that cant turn a tank without getting stuck

[slim quiver]

Says the tank complainer

W ahhhh my turret

[wise zodiac]

When it's a franchise game series, yeah you kinda do.

[glad mist]

the vehicles being OP debate existed since BF3 when they raised the skill ceiling to reward actually good players

[slim quiver]

It doesn’t rotate on a dime!

[grizzled whale]

oh no i press "A" while in a tank and now im stuck

[slim quiver]

Well BF3 jets were broken

[grizzled whale]

but yall noobs

[slim quiver]

Every single bf game has an unbalanced vehicle type

[bleak nebula]

devs always leave and join, so its never the fully the same team anway

[slim quiver]

It’s been that way since BF1942

With submarines and SPGs

BF3 jets were definitely broken

BF4 attack helicopters were broken

[grizzled whale]

imo jets are too OP against ground vehicles

[slim quiver]

They are

[glad mist]

[grizzled whale]

all you have to do is fly by twice and any vehicle is dead

[wise zodiac]

You're correct, however, when a very large majority of the development team decides to leave, thus giving you an entirely new development team to work on an engine they've never worked on before, it does make a huge difference.

[slim quiver]

Yeah but jets I think normally body vehicles quickly

[grizzled whale]

the fact that a single jet can pretty much keep an entire battlefield clear of vehicles by spawncamping them says enough

there has to be a way to block those missiles

[wise zodiac]

But to retort this; if the management listens to their developers and actually cares, your retention & turnover is practically non-existant.

Sure, you might get one or two people who will leave and go do their own thing; but a majority of this started, IMO, with "if you don't like it, don't buy it."

[slim quiver]

Post the video of the jet running over 20 people at spawn and bouncing off the ground only losing 30 HP

[unborn heart]

I would say Little Bird made a slightky stronger case, but both were pretty oof in their own way

[glad mist]

almost like base AA in BF4 existed for a reason

[slim quiver]

Remember BF3 jets tho

[bleak nebula]

fair enough

[unborn heart]

Actually, this part is not true in gamedev

[slim quiver]

“Look like I win again”

[bleak nebula]

weren't bf2 jets stronger?

[wise zodiac]

Jesus, that was rough. I hated being spawn camped by aircraft in my main spawn.

[glad mist]

yes

[unborn heart]

Yep, good luck killing them murder machines

[glad mist]

especially the AIX ones

[grizzled whale]

ever time i spawn in a tank and hear the beeping as soon as i drive 10m i just leave, fuck that

[next onyx]

I liked how bf5 handled vehicles outside of attrition.

[chilly oak]

patch notes when

[next onyx]

Attrition is bs but I liked how the fighters needed bombers to stay up and bombers needed fighters to protect them.

[slim quiver]

I liked attrition tbh

[wise zodiac]

I'd like to retort; I get that development teams have deadlines. However, just like with any job, your management team can be good or bad.

If your management team is bad and the workplace culture is bad because of it, you're more likely going to leave.

[slim quiver]

I think attrition was one of my favorite aspect of that game

[next onyx]

Attrition ammo wise was alright but health wise it was shit. For infantry.

[jolly sleet]

most battlefield patch notes get posted at 11 am eastern, can we expect the same for today?

[grizzled whale]

10 minutes later than 10 minutes before they come out

[slim quiver]

True

[unborn heart]

Obviously, but even with good management teams quit rates are way larger than a couple people, for multiple reasons

[next onyx]

Vehicles like tanks are pain since it lowers the pacing, some asshole blueberry can just blow up your supply station and there. No health or ammo.

[slim quiver]

Health attrition was a pain

[next onyx]

And continuesly do it.

[slim quiver]

Ammo attrition made supports useful and engaged constantly

[scenic tartan]

[next onyx]

Thing is, I like what they did to circumvent it but they could have done more.

Make us scavenge health packa from dead medics.

[unborn heart]

Health attrition had positives and issues

[slim quiver]

BF1 had good vehicles besides bomber planes and the quick repair sometimes annoyed the shit out of me

[radiant prism]

I liked how it made people slow down and think a little bit between engagements

[next onyx]

Not that heavy bomber piece of shit.

[wise zodiac]

Oh no, I get that - sometimes the direction that something is going isn't the way they like, and they leave. There's multiple reasons why, probably too many to list, but when a development team isn't listened to; I'd imagine they'd want to leave and go somewhere else.

[unborn heart]

I liked not having to sit 10s behind a rock if there was no medic behind same rock

[next onyx]

That shit was disgusting.

[slim quiver]

Fuck that heavy bomber

[radiant prism]

Emphasized making sure you were ready to go

[next onyx]

Pre nerf 88a was just as bad if not worse in another aspect.

[slim quiver]

This

[next onyx]

But still.

[unborn heart]

Actually, main reason is that worldwide temporary contracts make up a major chunk of gamedev workforce

[wise zodiac]

Or sometimes they get offered a better opportunity elsewhere. That happens too.

[slim quiver]

The heavy bomber in BF1 just glided over the map and would kill like 29 people

[next onyx]

Thing is, I liked using my med kit to jump start my healing.

[scenic tartan]

I think attrition and resupply can still work for aircraft. Not sure about ground vehicles

[next onyx]

But well.. without it and only healing 30 health without it just not fun.

[wise zodiac]

Contracts are also a thing, yep. I'm a contractor myself.

[unborn heart]

Also, industry is expanding. Plus, people do all they can to avoid feeling like they're stagnating

[next onyx]

The pacific handled aircraft attrition extremely well.

[chilly oak]

will may have any updates

[next onyx]

It kept planes at their sides of the maps.

That was good.

[scenic tartan]

I think if aircraft had to fly over a captured point to resupply it would be a reasonable thing

[next onyx]

Ground vehicles though? It's shit. It's depressing.

[pulsar vine]

Possibly but wouldn’t hold your breathe

[next onyx]

Yeah you had to fly through a sky hook.

[slim quiver]

Don’t get me started on pacific map vehicle balance

[next onyx]

Believe it or not in their current state, pacific planes are more balanced than European planes.

[wise zodiac]

Trust me, I hate being a contractor. My pay isn't great, I get one week of PTO a year. In 2 more years, I go to 2 weeks of PTO.

[next onyx]

One plane is not better than the other so obviously.

[slim quiver]

Solomon Islands also would annoy me because there was so many LATV’s that the first point becomes hell with how that auto cannon would work

[scenic tartan]

Aircraft having unlimited ammo always seemed weird to me.

I think if they could pull it off restricting the airdrop/vehicle call in system on 2042 to only work within captured sectors would be an improvement too

[next onyx]

Oh that was annoying with the lavs there.

Though it was easy to avoid them.

[chilly oak]

you should only be able to call in a range after a kill streak

[slim quiver]

It was easy to avoid them until the 2nd point

The 2nd point had LATVs that would just glide around

[next onyx]

I remember when the spitfire had I think a thousand fucking rounds of primary ammo lmao.

[slim quiver]

Then they’d be useless by the time you get to middle island

And then you get calliopes hailing you with rockets

[next onyx]

At that point things become spicier.

[wise zodiac]

I really wish 2042 added my IFV

I miss driving these IRL.

[next onyx]

I've actually never had a problem with tanks on that on sector 3 since... I dunno. If the tanks provides overwhelming support the first point gets taken easily, and when they're on the second point they become bottle necked and that.

[wise zodiac]

Give me a Bradley, and it's game over.

[next onyx]

And even when they can't push the first point you can easily hide from them.

Bf3's IFV's were scary.

I still remember my first experience with one, actually scared the fucked out me.

[wise zodiac]

I was a beast with them in 4

[next onyx]

With the DOM DOM DOM.

[wise zodiac]

That Bushmaster.

It's a fucking terror irl.

[unborn heart]

Yeah, although it had miserable damage

[scenic tartan]

The 50mm should be on these not on the jeep

[next onyx]

At launch the spitfire with the 8 303's could one frame infantry and 109's if I remember correctly.

[unborn heart]

Former, maybe, latter, no

Dogfights involved multi-second bursts

[upbeat sand]

What's the best gun in 2042 design and animation wise

[unborn heart]

30mm with explosive rounds on 109 was one exception

[wise zodiac]

Dogfights are a bitch lmao

[scenic tartan]

Are there some absolutely cracked aircraft players at dice? People who really have mastered the heli/jet and have deep knowledge on it

[wise zodiac]

I can't dogfight for shit, but I love to bomb.

[next onyx]

Nvm the fact that rockets instantly resupplied. Yikes.

[unborn heart]

I don't know about know, but I know there were until very recently, at least

[glad mist]

doubt it

[scenic tartan]

I think people who test/tune them would become quite skilled and familiar with them

[unborn heart]

I'm not DICE, so I don't exactly pay attention to employee roster on a daily

[scenic tartan]

Oh ok sorry

[glad mist]

there's still a few who play BF4, that i know

[unborn heart]

But at very least there were pilots who were top 1%

And absolute hell to fight against

[glad mist]

SkyIsClear's clan has one or two Dice devs

but basically no competitive jet or helo pilot plays 2042 for those vehicles so.

[pine roost]

A group that I’m in a server with have been suggesting stuff for years and none of it ever gets through

[scenic tartan]

I'd like to see the meetings of back and forth about aircraft balance lol

Gotta be one of the most contentious things

[glad mist]

"noobs cried about jdams and stealth jet gunning them down, lets make jets utter shite so no feelings are hurt"

[desert elbow]

Hmmmm I’d probably be leaning towards the AK24 if it kept the C clamp grip thing from the beta

[slim quiver]

Vehicle babies mad

[unborn heart]

Tbh, planes have always dunked on people with ease, just varying levels of it

[desert elbow]

However atm I’d probably say the tan bolt action or even the PKP

[slim quiver]

“NOOO HOW COULD YOU RUIN MY FUN”

[limpid coral]

when pacth?

[scenic tartan]

2042 jets are probably the weakest against infantry in a long time

[unborn heart]

As plane has a very simple and magical solution against anything that isn't a plane

[glad mist]

"noobs couldnt aim smaws and stingers at helos, lets also make those unrewarding to use with a skill ceiling right above the already low skill foor"
"yes this is battlefield will be good btw"

[unborn heart]

Which is getting out of range within seconds

[wise zodiac]

Yep.

[upbeat sand]

Gvt for me just cause I'm a sucker for bf1 and bfv

[scenic tartan]

I think it's ok for higher speed jets to not be able to do much to infantry

[pine roost]

Yeah cause there’s nothing they can do against infantry

[unborn heart]

Shame that anyone with one brain cell could stay out of effective range and/or line of sight of both in a helo

[scenic tartan]

Just like stingers and soflam are minimally effective against jets

[slim quiver]

It’s funny when people who like vehicles in battlefield rarely play other games where it’s vehicle vs vehicle. Makes me wonder if they just want to farm infantry all day

[scenic tartan]

Since they just gtfo fast

[glad mist]

yeah thats literally the counter

[hard plume]

Planes do be like that

[glad mist]

are you not supposed to counter stingers?

[bleak nebula]

I like jets, but air superiority is often not a popular game mode

[unborn heart]

Counter that is about as "skilled" as breathing

[slim quiver]

There’s a reason for that

[glad mist]

about as skilled as using stingers i'd say, instead of fighting the other helo with your own

[wise zodiac]

It depends.

Games that are pay-to-win aren't really fun to me. So WoT/WT? Yeah, no. I like even footing.

[slim quiver]

Air superiority was never popular because they weren’t able to farm everyone

[unborn heart]

Having been on both sides for masteries, Stinger is tougher to use than any air vehicle

[glad mist]

LOL

[slim quiver]

To be fair those games aren’t p2w anymore they’re just Grindy as all hell

[scenic tartan]

I've seen some weird stinger and recoilless with soflam behavior where missles go wide and then loop around and dunk on the heli

I don't think they should do that, at least not m5 shots with soflam

[slim quiver]

Premium ammo is no longer paid for with real cash

But it’s just a long af grind

[glad mist]

📸

[unborn heart]

Air vehicles can be used for efficient farming even with brain smooth as ice rink

[wise zodiac]

I honestly haven't touched WoT/WT in years because of it.

[scenic tartan]

All players being able to use stinger without class restrictions make it harder for helis. Rao is a big counter-heli as well

[slim quiver]

Yeah it’s just Grindy

@unborn heart plays basically for free and it’s not p2w anymore

[wise zodiac]

Well that's better.

[scenic tartan]

And those canister launchers on the mav and tank can boop a NB in one shot almost

[slim quiver]

The premium ammo is just more expensive in game currency

[scenic tartan]

Plus the random AI deciding to hit you with a recoilless from 400m

[wise zodiac]

That's good. Glad they changed it.

[glad mist]

this sums up 2042's development 📸

[unborn heart]

Yeah, doing just fine. Especially uo to tier 6

[slim quiver]

It’s a good and bad thing tbh

[desert elbow]

ah that’s fair, it is pretty slick. What do you think the best animated gun in Battlefield (The whole series) would be?

[slim quiver]

The bad thing is, if you’re a heavy tank player you get pen’d instantly now

[unborn heart]

Would be a shame for the narrative if I didn't work on 2042. Oh wait

[slim quiver]

Because everyone has premium ammo

[glad mist]

Wouldn't be a shame if 2042 was an actually good game, oh wait

[desert elbow]

Speaking of the Gvt tho, I’m really hoping they add an old western style repeater skin for it, it would look sick with the cowboy McKay skin

[slim quiver]

It’s funny how the vehicle main is mad at a game where the maps give vehicles the largest advantage we’ve seen in a few years

[unborn heart]

There's still a decent amount of fun I get in it, although usually more from certain specialists

[slim quiver]

Literally infantry just running around with almost nowhere to hide

[glad mist]

Won't make the game less dead or bring more of your fanbase back to your new releases.

[scenic tartan]

You think so, for helis? I think there's a lot of maps that have very little air cover to break locks

[slim quiver]

Getting chopped up by auto cannons and rockets

[unborn heart]

It's called skybox

Heli can quite literally stay out of Stinger range

With ease. And still murder people even after 30mm nerf

[wise zodiac]

That's why there needs to be more shit added to the maps. Trees, mountains, rocks, buildings, just additional cover in general.

[desert elbow]

You’re giving me déjà vu from all of the things people have said after every battlefield launch in the past 10 years

[slim quiver]

Little birds are strong and assault chopper was pretty fine. Tho they’ve been nerfing them slowly

[pine roost]

Jets aren’t just infantry farmers. Players with decent Gamesense actually play to help the team

[scenic tartan]

Yeah I agree, like zavod had all that tree cover

[wise zodiac]

Zavod was nice.

[scenic tartan]

Assault chopper feels pretty useless tbh

[glad mist]

It's funny how plebians, who never got to experience the satisfaction and learning curve of BF3 and 4 air vehicles, think that 2042 is the absolute pinnacle of game and vehicle combat of a franchise.

[bleak nebula]

zavod was really good yeah

[desert elbow]

I agree, I’m pretty annoyed they have resorted to outright cutting parts of the map. Imo they just need to make them more packed in certain parts

[scenic tartan]

Easy prey for jets, NB, and the transports

[unborn heart]

Air vehicles had bugger all curve outside dogfighting in 3 and 4

[desert elbow]

Zavod felt like a bc2 map, it was really fun

[wise zodiac]

I think, running simulator 2.0 isn't what the game needed. Sure, bigger maps, but you don't need 5x the size of Hamada.

[scenic tartan]

It's simply easier to remove than have to add more stuff, from a cynical point of view

[glad mist]

you clearly never played those games

the absolute state of Dice/€As dev team 💀

[desert elbow]

They aren’t 5x the size of Hamada. The running portion is greatly exaggerated, most of the time you can get to another point in under a minute

[unborn heart]

About 3,2k hours combined in both, actually

[glad mist]

how many of those did you spend getting farmed by helos or jets instead of learning how to become a farmer?

[bleak nebula]

that's why I was a no life dogfighter in those games

[unborn heart]

Not many, as I worked through quite literally every mastery in game for both sides

[wise zodiac]

Breakaway is a big ass map.

[glad mist]

Looking back at your at your statements, that's believable LOL

[slim quiver]

That would be BF1942

[unborn heart]

I'm sorry that I dare to say something bad about the aspect of the game that always had the lowest floor

[scenic tartan]

I hear a lot of high level pilots say that the air gameplay in 2042 is simplified but I have no real experience with flying much

[desert elbow]

It definitely is. It also happens to be one of my favourite Battlefield maps and i main infantry

[unborn heart]

In the meantime, might want to try a bit more concrete arguments than ad hominems

[desert elbow]

There’s tons of infantry areas on Breakaway

[slim quiver]

I like how you use the word plebeian though incorrectly. Only a plebeian wouldn’t know how to spell it

[glad mist]

If you can call using a jet as taxi to the next best flag a "skill floor"

or crashing your helo against an AA

or losing every dogfight

[slim quiver]

NOOOO MY VEHICLES

[glad mist]

MUH COD

[wise zodiac]

I think if they condensed the maps, added more cover of all sorts (buildings, rocks, trees, barricades, etc), moved the objs closer, it would be considerably better.

[olive lake]

I just really wanna enjoy this game with full progression and weeklies on solo/coop this update. Would make it playable again for me abd a few people

[slim quiver]

I like both games thankfully

[pine roost]

I learnt to fly in bf1, and got somewhat decent at dogfighting. If 2042’s jets weren’t so horrifically bugged more pilots might try it out

[bleak nebula]

deffo is very simplified and boring, I don't even touch air vehicles anymore as somehow who was air vehicle main in previous games, in 2042 I'm infantry only player

[slim quiver]

Thank god I don’t stick to one shooter

Imagine doing that

[pine roost]

But the actual mechanics are just poor

[glad mist]

^^^^^^^^^^^

[next onyx]

And seeing the infantry experience for 2042 it's just pain.

[unborn heart]

And yet more projections completely unrelated to reality. Still waiting for actual arguments

[pine roost]

And the weapons... just dull

[next onyx]

Yeah I learned to fly cause of 5 when the pacific came out.

I actually wanted to take it more seriously then.

[bleak nebula]

it's more fun than playing vehicles for me atleast

[glad mist]

Hey, lets take a complete BF4 noob fight it out against the best player in SkyIsClear's clan

[slim quiver]

Sitting in a Bolte turret and getting that 100 kills in a game was funny

[next onyx]

When infantry is more fun than vehicles than something's very wrong.

[glad mist]

we'll see how there's no learning curve to air vehicles

[unborn heart]

Funny how you clearly didn't bother to read what I said

[glad mist]

dogfight won't even last 20 seconds

[slim quiver]

BF4 was a shit game btw. The mechanics were absolutely garbage in terms of gunplay. Movement was heavily broken. So I guess being in a vehicle was the only play

[next onyx]

Nvm the rats that sit backwards in their bolt a hundred to two hundred metres away just shooting people.

[glad mist]

Having been on both sides for masteries, Stinger is tougher to use than any air vehicle

[unborn heart]

As I said that dogfighting was literally the only thing in BF3 and 4 air experience that required competence

[glad mist]

you're clearly talking out of your ass

[next onyx]

Make boltes take double damage from the back, Instantly kill them with a rocket launcher, I don't give a fuck.

[slim quiver]

Yup

Then they drive 70 mph

[unborn heart]

While everything else could be done perfectly fine by a potato connected to power cable

[bleak nebula]

I feel like bf V did infantry gameplay the best, and bf 4 vehicle gameplay

[next onyx]

I wouldn't even mind with the LATV Recon had that power cause of how little armour that has.

[glad mist]

bro your context is wack to understand

[scenic tartan]

I would like to hear how using stinger is tougher than an air vehicle

[next onyx]

I guess hitting them with a stinger is a challenge since they can always break it off.

[scenic tartan]

I think that's a pretty odd take considering stinger is just looking around and holding a mouse button and clicking

[glad mist]

Stingers are piss easy to use in BF4

you point, click, forget about your target for a minute or two

[bitter hill]

battlefield friends

[pine roost]

I found in bf4 the stinger was best used as a deterrence. If I jet goes to strafe you, target then and more often than not they’ll break off the strafe

[next onyx]

I wouldn't mind a flak like cannon for infantry, Just something to drive the little birds away at close range.

[glad mist]

^^^^^

[pine roost]

People expect it to kill when in reality forcing them off a strafe is just as good

[glad mist]

dodging stingers also isn't an easy to learn skill

[unborn heart]

1. Stinger is easy to outrun or break, making it borderline useless, as it has poor velo. And that's assuming it even has range
2. You lose any counter-ground capacity, which means getting around tanks goes from mildly competitive to screwed

[desert elbow]

I respectfully disagree then, I feel like having considerable distance between objectives is a long standing occurrence in Battlefield maps which only began fading in the recent games (which still had really fun maps though, just a different style.) I just feel like to provide the players with a feeling of an actual large scale battlefield (especially in modern day) it is important to maintain some degree of exploration while travelling between objectives, imo adding cover between objectives is totally viable, but I really disagree with reducing the maps to 3 lanes by cutting out all the other locations, there’s a reason people hated on the old cod map formula

[unborn heart]

Outrunning was more of a 3 thing

Igla was k once it got the buff late into 4, mostly as lock switches and empty locks gave you a fighting chance, albeit a very limited one

[glad mist]

yes if noobs use stingers at like 5km distance

[scenic tartan]

In 2042 it's more common to flare and retreat from a stinger only to be harassed by yet another stinger player in another sector. Increased player count and open loadouts has made stinger harassment almost constant

[glad mist]

once theres two or three people packing stingers it becomes progressively more difficult and rewarding to dodge them depending on the map

[surreal crystal]

Excited for the patch ??

[glad mist]

or when an actually good player uses stingers

[wise zodiac]

Modern engagements aren't more than 600m. Running around for 5 minutes between objectives isn't very fun.

[eternal storm]

No, some content would have been nice

[unborn heart]

Hardly, especially if you actually book it high after attack. On release, I would agree, now it's simple

[surreal crystal]

I feel u 😞

[chilly oak]

yes

[unborn heart]

Especially as actual flare effect duration is longer than what visuals imply

[chilly oak]

weapon overhaul?

[slim quiver]

Especially in a fast paced arcade shooter

[unborn heart]

By the time flares stop blocking new lock, you can easily cover 500-600m

[next onyx]

It's even less fun running between objectives in 2042 and getting killed by some fucking asshole in a bolte or sniped by some fuckhead in an attack helicopter that was just flying by.

[eternal storm]

Should be more weapons, here we are in april@almost May

[slim quiver]

If I wanted to run around without shooting everyone for 10 minutes I’d play squad

[pine roost]

So that’s not just me that’s experienced that

[unborn heart]

real flare effect duration is what equipment tab shows you

[slim quiver]

I’m not playing a tact shooter

[glad mist]

we all know 2042 isn't trying to be the fast paced and good Battlefield shooter experience everyone appreciates

[slim quiver]

I want to be right into the action

And I want to be in it 90% of the time

[next onyx]

Going from 2042 to bf5, Taking the plane made me realise how well done the maps were LMAO.

[glad mist]

it's trying to be CoD and R6 with vehicles and huge ass maps

[slim quiver]

Well cod is actually fast paced

So is R6

[wise zodiac]

That's CoD for you

[glad mist]

exactly lmao

[slim quiver]

I get to shoot people immediately

[next onyx]

Bf5 is more r6 based cause everyone fucking lean spams.

[wise zodiac]

R6 is more methodical.

[next onyx]

Well, In my region anyways.

[slim quiver]

BF2042 I’m running around seeing nobody

And I’m fall asleep

[eternal storm]

Rising storm 2 is instant in the battle, wish they’d make another soon

[unborn heart]

Yeah, you literally claimed BF is trying to be two games that are faster paced than BF to prove it isn't trying to be fast paced

[slim quiver]

So if 2042 is like cod, idk which cod it would be like

[slim quiver]

They are

[glad mist]

thats why u gotta uninstall and throw BF4 on instead

[slim quiver]

Game is called ‘83

[unborn heart]

United Offensive might get a slight nod here

[slim quiver]

I hate BF4 so I’d never reinstall that

[next onyx]

There's no fun in running through piles of nothing with no cover. If objectives were closer and the map was made around it wouldn't be pain.

[eternal storm]

Yea but it’s Cold War, meh

[soft swallow]

So we have a date for the patch notes?

[unborn heart]

Very slight

[slim quiver]

Fair

[slim quiver]

It could be interesting

[next onyx]

Kinda ironically, Bf5 had the lowest movement speed alongside bf1 but it has the fastest pace in all the battlefields that I played.

Though I'd count hardline in having a fast pace too.

[slim quiver]

Using the G3 in a tactical shooter that’s action based? Yes

[wise zodiac]

Can confirm

[slim quiver]

That’s why I liked both of them tho

[next onyx]

Nahhhh Miki it's about that IMI Galil.

[desert elbow]

You don’t run around for 5 minutes though

[slim quiver]

Even with the lower movement speed

[next onyx]

Don't forget your baby like that.

[eternal storm]

I’m down to try it, sick of AAA companies wrecking their franchises

[unborn heart]

It's curious that in terms of kill opportunities in similar time frame 1 was leaps and bounds ahead of any other BF of the decade

[slim quiver]

Somehow BF1 and BFV you’re constantly in action with slow movement speed

[next onyx]

Nah he's right, You run for 5 minutes because it takes you two and half minutes getting to the objective and then you get killed midway, Therefore you have to run all that way again.

[wise zodiac]

But you do. Me going between 2 objectives on Hourglass takes about 5 minutes on foot.

[cobalt flower]

people who complain about the amount of walking in 2042 tend to like the meat grinder maps

[scenic tartan]

Map design is the key problem with 2042

I might actually say that 128 players caused the map design as well but there could be good 128 player maps

[next onyx]

Maps were just better designed, Even if bf1 had more open spaced maps.

[cobalt flower]

which is when DICE tried to emulate COD

[glad mist]

mostly cause you only start seeing infantry at very close range since the spotting and visibility in V is doglooo

[slim quiver]

I do like meat grinder maps and open maps

BF1 made open maps feel like there was a ton of action in them

Because there was

[glad mist]

so everyone just runs around the maps

[next onyx]

it's not difficult seeing people in a range in 5.

[cobalt flower]

BF1 was incredibly meat grindery lol

[unborn heart]

I actually don't like meatgrinders... large maps are my favorites. Issue is, there are no lanes of combat

[next onyx]

Though I speak with my eyes being adjusted to it.

[cobalt flower]

which, was fitting for WW1

[slim quiver]

It was great ahh

[next onyx]

I noticed that since I just end up shooting at the same shade of rocks without thinking.

[unborn heart]

Even if you took maps like Bandar in BF3, it had multiple organic lanes of engagement

[next onyx]

Grand bazaar baybee.

[slim quiver]

BF1 and BFV had proper infantry engagements

[unborn heart]

Where you could get fairly consistent movement forward/back with a bit more condensed combat and movement

[bleak nebula]

bf3 had great maps

[slim quiver]

Be shooting like 4-5 people in a trench

[cobalt flower]

based as hell, I like the points in most of the 2042 maps because there's so many ways to get to them, so it makes them not meat grinders!

[slim quiver]

Then seeing another 4-5 people

[next onyx]

Now I have flashbacks of turning a corner on vanguard and I just see 6 to 9 people staring at me Miki.

[cobalt flower]

besides the lack of cover, i think 2042 maps are my favorites design wise

[unborn heart]

Generally, my go-to approach in any Battlefield is to fight for flags on circumference, as you can make better impact at larger benefit

[cobalt flower]

yup! rotating from hotspot to hotspot is the best way

[scenic tartan]

My issue is when you do clear and cap a point, for most points on the maps in 2042 there's no reason to stay there and defend it, because nobody will be coming to contest anytime soon

[next onyx]

I usually fight where the action is.

I like kills, I like action and that happens where the flags are.

[unborn heart]

If it's 15vs15, whether you are there or not makes a minor difference. If flag is 3vs3, you become a major factor, and you can gain the same benefit of point bleed from flag capture at lower cost of manpower

[wise zodiac]

10 minutes later.

[scenic tartan]

So you end up running and running to the next or trying to get a vehicle if your call in isn't timed out

[next onyx]

It's how I hit big clips from time to time.

[cobalt flower]

some of the best firefights ive had are on flags with like 10 people on it lol

[slim quiver]

The games over

[unborn heart]

Kinda depends on sector, I'd say

[cobalt flower]

the sectors are wonderful

[wise zodiac]

That's why I like Breakthrough on V.

[slim quiver]

YEA THANK YOU

[next onyx]

Breakthrough the action is consistent.

[slim quiver]

A fellow breakthrough player

[cobalt flower]

i love breakthrough, 128 breakthrough is really fun

[unborn heart]

General issue is that team that is too obsessed with certain flag will typically lose by dropping everything around it

[next onyx]

That's the best part about it.

[scenic tartan]

Like on kaleidoscope the data center is fun to fight in, but nobody is ever there. It's a hike from any other point on the map

[next onyx]

I'd play breakthrough more if it were played more.

[unborn heart]

boooooo

[bleak nebula]

I don't like sectors tbh

[slim quiver]

Always in the action

[slim quiver]

SHUSH

This is me on conquest

[unborn heart]

Curious, that's where fights would often involve 10+ people per side for me

[next onyx]

I used to play breakthrough all the time on release when it was actually popular.

[slim quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/gura-gawr-shark-sleep-cute-gif-21654075

[cobalt flower]

i know im a minority but i love most of 2042's design decisions

[next onyx]

Before 2042 it'd be an uncommon playlist.

[wise zodiac]

You OCE people are screwed.

[cobalt flower]

yessss thats where all the best ones are

[next onyx]

I mean we at least have conquest and ways to enjoy it.

[wise zodiac]

That's all I play

[cobalt flower]

and the rooftops of the two points, with the ziplines between em

[unborn heart]

I can't hear you over the sound of my rifle wiping a squad because I have an option to flank

[slim quiver]

I play operations only in BF1

[cobalt flower]

and the point below the two towers

[slim quiver]

And breakthrough in V

And that’s about it

[next onyx]

I found a way to enjoy conquest and I can consistently score 15 to 20K worth of points a day cause all I do is attack objectives. :)

In a way, I've found a way to have fun on conquest which is kinda ironic.

[slim quiver]

Did someone say conque…….zzzzzzzzz

[unborn heart]

I did, best mode

[bleak nebula]

^

[next onyx]

I nearly hit a hundy bomb on TDM a few months ago.

[slim quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/bed-sleep-nap-night-fall-gif-5303075

[unborn heart]

Joy of Conquest is that it puts more emphasis on your general positioning

[next onyx]

Team swapped cause things weren't looking hot for the other side, They kept reviving each other. I had my fucking BAR out LESH GO.

[wise zodiac]

I like playing Grand Operations on V too.

It's fun.

Mixes things up.

[slim quiver]

Grand operations was awesome

[unborn heart]

Instead of just mindlessly running around with The Brainless Blob

[next onyx]

Both modes in the end are alright.

Just different pacings.

[slim quiver]

Conquest was fun because it fixed my insomnia

I turn it on and fall asleep

[next onyx]

I prefer breakthrough because I'm not being shot in the back all the fucking time.

But conquest is an alright mode since you can just cruise on it.

[wise zodiac]

This too

[slim quiver]

Plenty of room to find somewhere cozy and fall asleep

[unborn heart]

Breakthrough was fun, because it fixed my depression.
It killed any brain cells I still had from lack of use

[scenic tartan]

Maybe if the enemy has a respawn beacon but once you clear that out they are going to be running at least 300m to get back at that point once the squad is wiped

[slim quiver]

Camping in conquest annoys the shit out of me

[brittle forge]

Grand Operations took the “operations took too long” complaint from BF1 and made it actually take way too long

[slim quiver]

LOL

[pine roost]

I just like both, battlefield’s gameplay and strategy is what attracts me to it the most

[lucid goblet]

patch notes for 4.0 https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/battlefield/battlefield-2042/news/battlefield-2042-update-notes-4-0?utm_campaign=bf2042_hd_ww_ic_socd_twt_update4-0-web&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&cid=73367&ts=1650293806771

[slim quiver]

Me like to bang drum

[next onyx]

Finally.

[unborn heart]

The magical thing is, in Conquest you can do that complicated thing called "going around someone"

[pine roost]

4pm, on the dot

[hard plume]

IT’S HAPPENING!!!!!!!!!

[pine roost]

Cheers!

[brittle forge]

I like Airborne from BFV but I wish I didn’t have to play Grand Ops for it

[hard plume]

That sounds hard

[pine roost]

Let’s give this a read

[old echo]

Have you updated?

[unborn heart]

"Assists can now trigger when a teammate kills an enemy and either of them were covered in smoke you deployed." that is fun

[chilly oak]

patch notes today, patch tomorrow

[unborn heart]

Can never say no to use of smoke getting some love

[old echo]

I see

[pine roost]

For some reason I can’t scroll through the notes on my phone

[next onyx]

Interesting.

[hard plume]

Oooooo

[old echo]

Lmao, the C5 drone seems still out there

[silk jasper]

No performance improvements or optimization?

[pine roost]

Anyone else struggling to scroll through the notes?

[lucid goblet]

@pine roost

[brisk hill]

LET"S GO!

[pine roost]

:0 my time has come

[brisk hill]

[next isle]

👀

[pine roost]

Wait, actually I don’t think that’s the same thing. That’s specifically just the third person camera for portal vehicles

[frank stratus]

here comes everyone

[bleak nebula]

yeah

[lucid goblet]

i wholly approve of this name

[jovial whale]

How do I open my scorebord on ps4

[next onyx]

Ouch.

[bleak nebula]

oof

[next onyx]

Should be by holding start, Enrique.

[sinful ore]

finally

[lucid goblet]

wait... this was an actual thing...wtf

[jovial whale]

Thnx

[flat brook]

2042 is the greatest battlefield game ever

[hard plume]

Good bye old friend

[brisk hill]

Sundance

Fixed Anti-Armor Grenades that locked on to targets which were too far away
    Anti-Armor Grenades now filter by angle and distance in a more accurate way, and have the same priority for air/ground vehicles

YEEES

[jovial whale]

@shy latch I have 15 ping

[brisk hill]

Scatter Grenade detonation timings adjusted to let them explode quicker YESSS

[sinful ore]

this is may the last chance to bf2042 or almost every player will leave

[old echo]

Not really most players are expecting season 1

Not this bug fixed patch

[brittle forge]

I won’t lie this is more significant than I was expecting

[brisk hill]

Thank you DICE - good job with keep working with the game, I still have hope for it!

[slim quiver]

Season 1 will add maps and weapons but it’s not going to change the core of this game. If people are waiting for that they’re waiting for a new game

[brittle forge]

Of course, this is assuming a billion other things don’t break when the patch goes live

[old echo]

There are lots of calls for relaunching the game

[slim quiver]

Specialists will still be in, nothing is just going to completely change how the game operates

[chilly oak]

YES YES SCATTER BUFF

[coral kraken]

VOIP

[brisk hill]

FINALLY I WILL BE ABLE TO GET TIER 1 SUNDANCE WOOOOOHOOO

[glad mist]

then 2042 will defo die before the end of this year

[coral kraken]

That’s big that to me makes me wanna play now 🙂

[chilly oak]

SUNDANCE WONT BOUNCE IN THE AIR LIKE A BALL AFTER HITTING GROUND SOMETIMES

[glad mist]

the earlier the better anyway

[next onyx]

You can abuse high powered which does 26 damage and has infinite damage, They might change that but still.

[next isle]

[chilly oak]

AND SMART GRENADE BUFF, and emp assists will count more often!!

[slim quiver]

And I could care less. I stopped playing the game November of 2021

[old echo]

I bet someone in the dice team loves C5 drone

[upbeat sand]

I’d have to say uhh prob bfv kar98k or the bf4 deagle

[brisk hill]

YES! I love Sundance she's my favorite specialist!

[glad mist]

they should just focus on making a new game

[pine roost]

I still hope we get the points system back. ‘Exp’ is just so unrewarding and not as satisfying as points

[chilly oak]

POG NEW PAIK AND RAO BUFFS

[slim quiver]

To be fair the main devs are probably working on the next game

[slim quiver]

It’s not like the whole team is still working on 2042

[next onyx]

Knowing what I do out of game dev, They're floating ideas around for the next one. Throwing rough sketches on what to do.

[silk jasper]

im still disappointed on no new performance improvements or optimization

[next onyx]

Yeah nah the main team is working on it still.

[brisk hill]

No one will buy next battlefield - if they master 2042 players will be back

[slim quiver]

Idk about that, once a game releases people usually move onto a new project

[old echo]

Highly possible, the game probably will be abandoned after season 1

[bleak nebula]

probably gonna use most of feedback for next game

[glad mist]

they better be