battlefield-2042

[scenic tartan]

Well one way to tell that's not right is you don't get XP when you hack a vehicle.

[arctic grove]

I have not had this issue until I built my new pc a few days ago..must be my rgb software...like others had.

[silk surge]

Might not have affected you. But people have lost their homes, their jobs, their life savings. Depending on where you live, you might also had to endure long lock-downs that alone could deteriorate your mental health.

Shit like that doesn't exactly put people in a good mood.

[arctic grove]

I was in the Military. I could handle a cute little lockdown..I guess people need to learn to prepare for things that happen in the world. You know what I did during the pandemic? I had a new house built. I helped a company keep employees employed. So while you are here crying..I am out helping people, and companies.

[limber kestrel]

office job, crying about the pandemic

[arctic grove]

THIS!

[pine roost]

Maybe they hacked the player inside? Is that possible?

[arctic grove]

Working from home developing a game...crying..while eating ice cream lol

[silk surge]

Oh god you're one of those people. I regret engaging with you lol.

[jovial saffron]

Exactly, my group of friends are having a blast playing battlefield 2042. And for the glitches, they’re amazing. We laughed so incredibly hard when we saw a floating tank fall from the sky.

[limber kestrel]

work from home isnt effective lets be real but, lets cut the crap its not the pandemic's fault

[jovial saffron]

Others would complain but to me it’s just plain hilarious. Idk much games like that.

[limber kestrel]

don't be sad it's just how it works out sometimes

[arctic grove]

I am not "one of those people". I am a person who was not affected because I was prepared...It is not my fault as I live by the motto "always be ready". Anyways, enjoy your life and stop being so sad. lol

[pine roost]

Having to discuss changes to the game through calls sounds much more tedious and inefficient than just walking over to the person and telling them something, alongside having to download updated builds for the game on slow WiFi, i feel it had a significant impact

[scenic tartan]

I think he was telling tales but I guess that might be possible? I've never had it happen, repeatedly like he says

[silk surge]

Sounds more like you haven't been affected because you're sheltered. And that massive ego is pretty cringe.

[arctic grove]

lol. nice try

[limber kestrel]

the sole reason i rebought cyberpunk was cause they offered a full refund unlike, ahem, dice

[grizzled whale]

why do people still think that petition will do ANYTHING

[scenic tartan]

I knew you didn't get XP from hacking I just said it to see if he would agree because his story wasn't adding up

Stop trying to post the link it's blocked

[arctic grove]

Sheltered? LOL. Not at all. No lock downs where I live. No large amounts of people dying the hospital, etc. No one is sheltered here. dont be sad bro. you will be okay.

[limber kestrel]

petition wont do anything, its like telling activision to stop producing a cod every year

[scenic tartan]

And if you try to get around it they'll come for you

[limber kestrel]

who doesnt

[arctic grove]

So be nice and contact steam or ea..and you will get a refund..be professional, not a douche and you will get it back.

i wonder if PS is doing any refunds

[grizzled whale]

too bad, you should have asked for a refund while you were eligible

[arctic grove]

you can still get a refund. I have been helping via dm all day. lol.

[grizzled whale]

hope you get banned

[pine roost]

I had hope that it would be fixed soon after release, but my hopes were too brutal apparently, now I’m stuck with the mistake I made

[arctic grove]

For what? I didn't do anything wrong. People are entitled to a refund.

please let me know if you figure out anything about refunds on playstation

ty

[grizzled whale]

people are entitled to a refund as long as they are eligible, they dont deserve a refund after that

[surreal crystal]

Eyo wats poppin doe

[arctic grove]

Contact PS store support. Be polite, be professional..and explain. Its easy guys

[pine roost]

Wish that would work with steam

[arctic grove]

it depends on what eligible precisely is

[arctic grove]

And that is not for you to decide. That is for Steam, EA, Origin, Sony, Microsoft, etc. not you. lol

[arctic grove]

yep, exactly

[arctic grove]

It does....

[silk surge]

"No lock downs where I live." That's exactly what I meant lol. And you're acting like a fake tough guy for not having to experience that, which is extremely embarrassing. Are you compensating for something?

[arctic grove]

You have to open a ticket on any platform..not just try to get a refund.

[grizzled whale]

its for the refund policy of said company to decide, a support worker breaking their own TOS doesnt make it right

[pine roost]

Well I’ve tried 10 times now, each with reasonable points written in a polite manner, I’ve just been declined every time

[arctic grove]

We are past this..move on son.

[silk surge]

Aight, cool with me.

[arctic grove]

Why are you so mad that people want a refund. I am just helping. I am not the approver of refunds..or am i?

[limber kestrel]

im pretty sure you can get a refund on steam

[pine roost]

Some people have, I’ve tried the same things and I don’t get the same outcome

[arctic grove]

You can get a refund anywhere...you just have to learn how to talk and be respectful.

[arctic grove]

Have you sent them a email?

[limber kestrel]

Im gonna give it a shot right now

[silk surge]

Wasn't that for a limited time?

[pine roost]

Not an email, I’ve spoken through steam’s support page

[limber kestrel]

You have to go manual about your refund, aka contact steam support

[arctic grove]

There are exceptions for this game that everyone is making...

[arctic grove]

Use email. its a little leg work, but if you really want it that is the way to go.

[grizzled whale]

the petition will achieve nothing

[silk surge]

Ah I see. Might be worth checking out. I bought standard edition on PC which I haven't even installed yet.

[arctic grove]

That one is easy..to easy.

[pine roost]

How much would ea dice care about the public’s opinion of them? All this petition does is show people who aren’t so involved with the game what’s happened, I don’t think much more will come of it

[silk surge]

That's a good point. How much damage could be possibly be done to EA's reputation at this point. They've been hated for over a decade.

[pine roost]

Yeah after anthem and bfII’s launch, they’ve been hated even more

This is just another ‘ea does it again’ moment

[hushed topaz]

Not only that

Neglecting titanfall 2 and making fifa a cashgrab basically

[grizzled whale]

fifa has always been a cashgrab

[slim quiver]

well i can tell you the petition will do nothing

[prisma orchid]

2042 lagging

[slim quiver]

the idea of hiring a lawyer is just absolutely stupid

[pine roost]

Legally, I don’t think anything will happen either

[grizzled whale]

the only thing the petition COULD do is bring awareness, but literally everyone who COULD do something already knows about it

[slim quiver]

legally nothing can happen

[grizzled whale]

^

[slim quiver]

its a waste of time imo

[silk surge]

I laughed so hard when I read about the class-action lawsuit lmao.

[grizzled whale]

EA delivered what they promised, even though its disappointing

[grizzled whale]

"one of the best lawyers in the country"
yeah right, but you cant name them?

[pine roost]

They didn’t even falsely advertise. As much as we wish we had some ammunition to use against them, what’s in the game is what we were shown. They were clever with the marketing material and we simply wrongly assumed what the product would be.

[warped sequoia]

i assumed there would be 128 player conquest......

[silk surge]

They would look like morons if they tried to defend the 'false advertisement' claim in court.

[graceful hatch]

i mean they advertised it as working, which is isnt

[grizzled whale]

there is

[slim quiver]

the petition itself is false advertising

[warped sequoia]

yes, so i'm a happy custmer ^^

[slim quiver]

no name of "one of the best class action laywers"

lets see a name

and lets see a case history

[pine roost]

They’re the next specialist

[slim quiver]

the fact that people actually think something will happen shows you just the level of intelligence of some of these people

[graceful hatch]

no one is dumb enough to think theres actually going to be a court case, but generating enough awareness to get some laws changed in future? definitely doable. EA has already done that with lootboxes lol

[silk surge]

That would never hold up in a court though. EA could just prove that the game technically works for that to be tossed out.

[slim quiver]

i think by now people know though

the community hasnt stopped complaining for 3 months

[rotund cloak]

so many lawyers here, even mods are lawyers

[slim quiver]

and theres no sign of it slowing down (somehow)

[grizzled whale]

if its not working then how do i almos thave 300 hours played

[pine roost]

But loot boxes have some legal merit behind them. It’s introducing gambling to children among other things, releasing a broken game that doesn’t satisfy its audience doesn’t have as much impact

[slim quiver]

nobody is saying that lol

tho funny enough my dad is an attorney

[graceful hatch]

if by "people" u mean the gaming community, which are ultimately a minority compared to the audience reachable by mainstream media etc, which is what the petition may achieve

[arctic grove]

thought the same thing ^

[slim quiver]

the thing is, only really people that know of this series will care, not outside the gaming community

[graceful hatch]

i dont recall saying it would hold up in court, in fact i literally just before ur message said it wouldnt see the inside of a courtroom lol?

[silk surge]

On top of it all.... The guy making that petition doesn't even have the standing necessary to take EA to court. Only people that I could think of that would have that would be EA's investors.

[slim quiver]

just because you sue, it doesnt mean you win either

and just because you request for a lawyer to file a suit doesnt mean they will

if you dont have a case they wont just do it because you want to

[silk surge]

If that lawyer even existed, he would tell him that.

[slim quiver]

lawyers that own their own practices

they have a reputation

theyre not going to tarnish that by taking some gamer court case

that has literally no merit behind the suit

[silk surge]

Yeah, lawyers are not really keen to take up cases that would be shot down for lack of standing before it even makes it to a court.

[arctic grove]

Not much will come from this as to what happens to the buyers of the game. BUT..what will come of this is that investors will obviously see this and when it is time to collect some more investment money, it will be harder to do so. Which means EA/Dice could end up with having less of a budget for the next Battlefield. In short term there won't be much damage but in the long term involvement with investors could put them in a tough spot.

[slim quiver]

the idea that people got scammed here is insane. Anyone here could have spent 5 dollars for a 10 hour trial for the full game and figured out "hey maybe i shouldnt spend 70-120 dollars on this I hate it" and boom just like that, crisis avoided, money not wasted. Hell you could argue 5 dollars for 10 hours even if you hated it is 50 cents an hour, not really that bad of a deal

[pine roost]

You wouldn’t try to take a bakery to court because one of their cakes didn’t taste good enough, in this instance ea just made a poor game that people bought preemptively like myself, there’s nothing really there to warrant such a case

[arctic grove]

Zzzy...I did that!

[slim quiver]

good you did your due diligence

something the consumer is responsible for

[silk surge]

Investors will find out that people don't like EA? Yeah, I'm sure that will make them think twice.

[slim quiver]

if you "wasted" your money, sorry to say this but... its your own fault

you didnt get scammed

[arctic grove]

Of course...I never believe the hype for anything..especially games in 2022.

[slim quiver]

you just didnt do your due diligence as a consumer

Bad company spent 5 bucks on the trial and figured it out for himself

[rotund cloak]

so why go with false advertising anyways, ppl would have stronger case that its just broken product, advertising is wierd alot of small prints and ways companys cover thamselfs

[slim quiver]

he did his due diligence

[pine roost]

After waiting since bf4 I was blinded by the hype, this was genuinely the second game I’ve ever pre ordered, the first being titanfall 2, and now I just have to learn from this

[slim quiver]

start naming some things falsely advertised

[silk surge]

That's what I've been saying. People need to grow up and take some responsibility.

[rotund cloak]

im not saying it is im saying why would this ppl go with it whan they can go with that its just broken product

[slim quiver]

yeah thats what i meant

the broken product doesnt make sense either

[pine roost]

A broken product doesn’t break any laws

[slim quiver]

because people are playing the game

you can physically play the game

[dusky blade]

Ah god the discussion of the stupid petition continues

[grizzled whale]

the game is very much working

[dusky blade]

2042 was one of the least buggy launches, nothing was falsely advertised

[slim quiver]

just because the game is bad, doesnt mean none of the servers are online and nobody can play for 3 months

the game works just fine

[silk surge]

To be fair, there's not much else to talk about atm. Unless you want to have a long discussion about the beanie.

[rotund cloak]

that petition wont go anywhere so why ppl care about it

[slim quiver]

a buggy mess doesnt equate to not functioning

[slim quiver]

its just another way to bitch

the community has literally lost their minds and has stopped thinking rationally

at this point its just an ongoing lash out

[dusky blade]

Most modern gaming communities are irrational and nonsensical

[slim quiver]

its like closing your eyes and swinging blind

[silk surge]

The Battlefield community takes it to another level tbh.

[eternal storm]

The lash out is fair with regards to the state of the game, asking for a refund is dumb tho

[slim quiver]

Honestly id say BF is the worst of the lash outs that ive seen in years

[dusky blade]

“Yeah let’s do a change.org petition and all get refunds for no reason, THEN EA will lose $11,200,000 from that”

[slim quiver]

well i wouldnt say the lash out is fair

remember there are people attacking devs

thats inexcusable

[arctic grove]

I would just like to play the game. But it wont launch. I was prob banned cuz of who knows

[dusky blade]

It does not make sense

[graceful hatch]

does in australia 🥳

[grizzled whale]

asking for a refund is fair, but harassing people and complaining when it gets denied isnt

[dusky blade]

Yeah they’ve really shown that

[eternal storm]

I meant generally. I had fun tonight now they added other game modes. But this/halo lack meaningful content

[pine roost]

What modes did they add?

[rotund cloak]

ppl just dont have responsibility and blame everyone else, yea game is shit, so why u bought it, now u blame someone else for ur waste of money

[slim quiver]

asking for a refund is fair if youre within the confines of the policy

playing 200 hours and refunding is stupid

[dusky blade]

That’s a really dumb point, it doesn’t excuse the games quality

[rotund cloak]

its not, game is shit so u dont buy it

[dusky blade]

Saw a post on reddit with a guy showing a video of him doing a tank heli shot, then said in the title he wants a refund but still plays to support BF

That’s extremely narrow minded

[slim quiver]

yup i know it was stupid

[slim quiver]

on the money

[arctic grove]

I helped people with refunds that didnt know what to do but i make them show me their playtime with gamertag. 200 hrs. No. I will just block u

[slim quiver]

the consumer ultimately lacks the ability to do their due diligence

why? im not exactly sure

[graceful hatch]

wow what a hero 👏

[dusky blade]

People didn’t know the game would be like this on launch, they bought it to get on day one, which is 100% understandable

[foggy halo]

is this game dead? I have trouble finding games

[dusky blade]

But saying you’ve been scammed of something or lied to is NOT understandable

[arctic grove]

Not only Heros wear capes!

[graceful hatch]

wdym dead? there are over 3500 people playing at any 1 time, thats a huge playerbase

[eternal storm]

It is half dead. If season 1 doesn’t have serious content it’ll die by Christmas

[graceful hatch]

yeah i was being sarcastic unfortunately lol

[arctic grove]

I know. lol

[silk surge]

It absolutely doesn't, BUT people who make bad financial decisions and complain are not off the hook. If anything, this kind of behavior is what enables companies like EA to consistently release games in an unfinished state.

[jovial slate]

theyre gonna have to start trying good ideas next!

[dusky blade]

Not off the hook, agreed, but it’s not a black and white “oh it’s your fault and that’s it”

[silk surge]

Like, why would they not if people are buying the product regardless?

[arctic grove]

what is the minimum number of hours you all believe someone should have with the game, and still be entitled to a refund?

[foggy halo]

I'm not joking. I joined a server after waiting a long time and getting connection errors and the team got farmed hard. now I'm waiting for another server to get filled.

[warped sequoia]

yes, vote with your wallets, people

[eternal storm]

10

[silk surge]

Idk, like 10?

[uneven venture]

Pretty much how i have spend majority of my game time...

[dusky blade]

But gamers do buy cod games still so maybe I’m reaching with the average iq of the consumers

[graceful hatch]

we know mate, its not news. the playerbase has died completely in the last 2 months because the twats keep delaying everything again and again. the worst excuse for a "live service" ive ever seen lol, no new content till june/july 😂

[placid glade]

It's a shame as this battlefield just focused on multiplayer and to still come up short is disappointing oh I miss the days of bad company haha

[slim quiver]

I buy cod games still

[graceful hatch]

whats a real shame is they stopped support for BFII and BFV to work on this, makes u wonder what they were doing for half that time tbh

[slim quiver]

i dont see what the problem with that is

[dusky blade]

Why....

[slim quiver]

I actually really like vanguard

why would I skip a game i like?

[eternal storm]

And they’ll be stopping support for this for the next one

[graceful hatch]

doesnt bother me, i learned my lesson with BFV lol

[silk surge]

Wait, that's illegal.

[pine roost]

I’m tempted to get the next one if it’s actually decently made

[placid glade]

@graceful hatch it really does make you wonder when if you think about it the game is still very base and limited

[arctic grove]

I was just about to say..nothing wrong with COD..they run great every launch.

[tranquil kettle]

not really since it was 150k on stram at launche and even bfv and 1 have more players rn

[graceful hatch]

not too familiar with sarcasm are u mate 😂 3500 players worldwide is obviously not a huge playerbase 😂

[slim quiver]

I mean so far I liked the past few cod games

[arctic grove]

COD just copies the same code from game to game and reskin thr maps. Easy money. Not alot of bugs. And fun games

[slim quiver]

this

[tranquil kettle]

i have a friend that refunded with like 68-67 hours so idk

[slim quiver]

see cod i can still buy because I know what im getting into

I know what to expect

[dusky blade]

Because it’s encouraging live service (in turn encouraging taking away features on from launch, adding them later, also having minimal content)

The new games are temporary with seasons, monetisation / battle passes are pushed more than ever, community events and holidays have been replaced with store bundles, sbmm, rushed games (vanguard especially shows this with over 300+ games and counting)

The past 3 games especially have been almost the exact same thing

[grizzled whale]

3500 on steam alone

[slim quiver]

i have fun and I know i will have fun

[pine roost]

I haven’t played a single cod game before tho

[arctic grove]

I thought I was the only one here who likes cod. lol

[tranquil kettle]

lol alright thought you were serious

[arctic grove]

I have bought every one since COD modern warfare😂🤡

[tranquil kettle]

i mean rn on steam alone is like 2.5k

[arctic grove]

oh wow, I'm at about 70 right now, so that's interesting. what is his platform?

[dusky blade]

Also side modes in new cod games have all been horrific and totally unfinished

[tranquil kettle]

steam

[slim quiver]

I like live service games So I like battlepasses a lot i think theyre a good idea. SBMM is a little annoying but meh idrc

[unborn heart]

I'm fine with either model if I get into the game

As long as live service assignments aren't grindy to the max

[arctic grove]

That reminds me...i nees to fit some cod into my schedule tomorrow!

[dusky blade]

Before live service we got 4+ maps per dlc, DOZENS of free skins, far more stuff to unlock in game, seasons weren’t a thing so the games weren’t temporary, this also means events and holidays were more common because it wasn’t their only source of income

[pine roost]

Live service works for me if the base game is good enough to enjoy for a substantial period of time, so if the additional content isn’t that good I still have something to enjoy

[dusky blade]

Paid dlc had far more for the player to do. In vanguard, you have a mastery camo and a total of around 50 challenges

[slim quiver]

I mean I get more skins with a live service that arent just basic camos

[dusky blade]

That is 100% all you can unlock or do

[unborn heart]

in MW2019 they were mostly okay, although they started getting over the top near the end

[slim quiver]

do you own vanguard?

[dusky blade]

I did, I no longer do, because there was nothing to play for

Then I saw S1, and S2, 1 new map on each wasn’t it?

And then the amount of bugs was horrific

[slim quiver]

i dont really care about farming challenges

i dont play cod to farm challenges

i play cod to have fun

i dont care about mastery

dont care about gold or diamond weapons

[dusky blade]

Are you not bothered by the fact that seasons make games “outdated and temporary” after the next game launches

[slim quiver]

i like a live service because they release skins I can pick and choose what I want to get and I like battlepasses because i earn some stuff on top of weapons

[dusky blade]

All ranks are reset, xp, challenges, all changed

Cold wars rank = vanguards rank = MW19’s rank = war zones rank

[pine roost]

That’s just how games work isn’t it? Is anyone bothered that their level in bf4 doesn’t carry over to 1?

[dusky blade]

It’s a hodge podge mush of games

[pine roost]

Oh wait, I meant hardline, I keep forgetting about that game

[grizzled whale]

Dont you dare talk smack about my anime riot shield

[dusky blade]

Thing is, in BO4 you could just play and unlock every single thing in the game for free

[rotund cloak]

i dont like live services cuz they take from game content itself and are put behind wallet

[slim quiver]

that happens anyways

[unborn heart]

I used an anime truck, so I have no right to talk any smack on the matter

[grizzled whale]

yes but that would require you to play BO4, nobody wants that

[dusky blade]

BO4 also had events, mastery characters, special offers, etc

[slim quiver]

and I didnt even like B04 in terms of gameplay

so unlocking everything meant nothing to me if im not having fun

[dusky blade]

My man BO4 is good but I’ll admit the dlc was AHHHH

[grizzled whale]

fellow man of culture 🤝
Catgirl Mara with anime riot shield and pink kali sticks

[slim quiver]

and again BO4 didnt have really interesting unlocks that I liked

[dusky blade]

You can do the same with cod WWII, and AW, and BO3

[slim quiver]

so again why would I care about getting a ton of free stuff i dont care about

[unborn heart]

Well, I didn't use riot shield/sticks because I wasn't good with that playstyle, but other weapons with that style, yes

[dusky blade]

I’m just giving examples of what paid dlc CAN offer you

[slim quiver]

Cod WW2 at least had unlocks I liked but still not as much as me likng the unlocks of the new game

[dusky blade]

And I also mentioned the events, bonuses, etc, that are fully missing in live service

CW’s Christmas event was Christmas hats on zombies and a bundle that cost $24

[grizzled whale]

getting kali stick wins in solo duos is so nice

[slim quiver]

Again i like being able to pick and choose

[grizzled whale]

i managed to get a single win in solo squads melee only, that shit had my heart beating at 400bmp

[unborn heart]

I got a win with a shield once, wasn't even mine, I had open ground to cover and no other hope

[slim quiver]

most cod games i spent less on the cosmetics that i wanted versus literal 60 dollar paid dlc season pass

[dusky blade]

Why pick and choose when you can get it all

[grizzled whale]

my highest kill game was a 42 kill solo squads game, ended third tho

[slim quiver]

because i dont care about things i wont use

why would i care about an unlock that i will never equip

[dusky blade]

You would rather spend money to instantly get things than play the game?

[slim quiver]

depends on what i need to do

[grizzled whale]

and how much it cost

[slim quiver]

im not grinding out hundreds of hours on a particular challenge i hate doing

if every challenge is kill enemies

[dusky blade]

No cosmetics or challenges have ever been hundreds of hours for older games, besides the mastery ones

[slim quiver]

lmao

[steep jewel]

Who has all that time now?

[slim quiver]

you havent played a lot of genres have you

[dusky blade]

I’m talking about FPS in particular

[steep jewel]

Gm

[dusky blade]

Which is why I also mentioned live service in battlefield earlier, and how it’s hurting this genre

[slim quiver]

thing is I dont want to do headshots

[pine roost]

Sounds to me like those challenges are meant to be long term goals, not expected to be completed quickly

[slim quiver]

i dont know how its "hurting" the genre

its maybe hurting you because you hate it

[dusky blade]

The headshot challenges were only ever for mastery

And challenges which simply gave xp, which were like 20 headshots

[steep jewel]

In other titles, headshot challenges were like one of the first ones you have to do

[dense terrace]

150,324

[dusky blade]

Headshot challenges is all masteries used to be

[slim quiver]

my point is, i dont want any unique challenge to unlock a cosmetic that i want, i dont want to have to play the game around a challenge, i want to literally jump in and play however the hell i want because thats the most fun

so yes id rather pay if its going to skip past all that bullshit

[tranquil kettle]

peacekeeper in bf1 be like

[river zinc]

Lol

[tranquil kettle]

wich i got like 2/3 weeks ago

[dusky blade]

Well in old paid dlc cod games the only truly locked things were maps, you could still earn new guns

[grizzled whale]

150,324 people wasted their time

[slim quiver]

its a video game, not work. I should never feel like im putting in work in a arcade FPS game. the games are not that deep

yeah well battlefield used to lock weapons behind DLC

which is something highly frowned upon in gaming in general

[tranquil kettle]

then try to do the bf1 peacekeeper easter egg

[steep jewel]

All things considered, games like cod have really pushed to be as friendly as possible to as wide a range of people as they can sell to. Works as a business model and ultimately the challenging aspects of the game are relatively untouched

[tranquil kettle]

you have to translate like 10 morse codes

and complete other 3/4 easter eggs to get that gun

[slim quiver]

yeah id never do the peace keeper shit

[dusky blade]

I don’t see why it’s frowned upon tbh when what we have now is FAR worse but I guess

[steep jewel]

I thought the peacekeeper challenges were sufficient

[unborn heart]

I had to be very drunk to do it

[slim quiver]

How is it worse when everyone gets all the maps and guns?

[tranquil kettle]

wdym

[dusky blade]

You get drip feed basic features you should’ve had at launch lol

[slim quiver]

the reason why its frowned upon is because the DLC guns were superior to the base weapons

so its telling people you need to pay for good weapons

and pay for the included maps

[dusky blade]

Both BFV and 2042 are suffering major content droughts

[slim quiver]

BFV got cut so thats not fair

[tranquil kettle]

i mewn its kinda fun, you record the morse cose you hear and then start translaing it

[slim quiver]

not a fair comparison at all

[dusky blade]

So is cod vanguard, and MW19, and CW

[slim quiver]

they dropped support of the game and made it know they were dropping support

[dusky blade]

MW19 had SIX maps on launch

[slim quiver]

vanguard has 22 maps or more

[dusky blade]

Vanguard has 16

[slim quiver]

so idk what you're talking about

[dusky blade]

And the dlc for vanguard is looking horrific, 1 map a season

[slim quiver]

16 core maps

[steep jewel]

Works as a good reward for those interested in doing the challenges, plus the gun itself isn't overpowering in such a way that makes you feel as though you're missing out on something without the peacekeeper

[slim quiver]

4 of the maps are champion hill

[dusky blade]

And it’s also horrifically buggy

[slim quiver]

so theres 20 base maps

and i think the new season dropped 2 maps

[dusky blade]

Going by every single type of map is unfair, going by that MW19 has like 110 which is ridiculous

[tranquil kettle]

tbf its a full auto 2 shot kill, also ots the revolver that has thr least damage drop due to range iirc

[slim quiver]

i mean if its a separate map for a mode

[dusky blade]

Because it doesn’t, it’s more like 28

[slim quiver]

you have to count it

[tranquil kettle]

and the animations are so cool

[slim quiver]

you cant just count the core maps

[tranquil kettle]

and its full auto so you can hold the fire button

[slim quiver]

those devs took the time to make and design maps, and youre not going to count them for some arbitrary reason?

[dusky blade]

Does MW3 have 70 maps or so then? It has survival spec ops made slightly tweaked for coop

Also like 30 dlc ones, also slightly tweaked

[slim quiver]

did devs have to design the maps?

then yes

[pine roost]

What is the quality of the map like though? I’d prefer quality over quantity

[slim quiver]

if theyre completely different maps

then yes

regardless of the mode theyre locked to

they have to be counted because someone took the time to design them

[dusky blade]

But then why were they not advertised as maps in all older games which had these spin offs

[steep jewel]

For sure, but other revolvers are also two shot kill, so it's not brutally overpowering to the point where you feel like you need it to stand a chance and those who completed the arguous task of doing the Easter egg feel adequately rewarded. Plus there are other rewards for doing more minor parts of the EE so everyone gets something at the very least

[dusky blade]

It’s just them fluffing it out

[unborn heart]

Also, if we're talking maps, got to keep in mind that major tweaks to Verdansk didn't exactly do themselves over time

[tranquil kettle]

yeah problem with other revolvers is the damage drop after 10 meters

[slim quiver]

because core maps is what majority will focus on

[pine roost]

I could play tf2’s glitch, angel city and war games for hundreds of hours, cause they are all fun maps. I’d rather have those 3 I enjoy than 10 that I hate

[slim quiver]

thing is vanguard advertised 20 maps at base

and thats what they had

[unborn heart]

And maps being for one mode doesn't magically make workload on designing them timy

[slim quiver]

i dont care if the map is limited to 1 mode

[dusky blade]

Core maps, champion hill aren’t core, they’re for one mode and you can’t choose to play at all in any order

[slim quiver]

who cares about core only

devs put in the TIME and EFFORT

to make those champion hill maps

they count towards the total load

their work doesnt suddenly not count because its not core

[dusky blade]

So then advertised it as 16 maps, 4 champion hill maps

[steep jewel]

Yeah it's not the most realistic but works for balance I suppose

[dusky blade]

They are not the same and should not be said to be so

[slim quiver]

or just advertise it as 20 maps

because it isnt a lie

the mode is irrelevant

theres 20 maps

[dusky blade]

But then what if someone buys it expecting 20 6 v 6 maps,

[slim quiver]

because thats what the levels are called

maps

[dusky blade]

The short ads don’t specify they’re for champion hill

[slim quiver]

well then thats on them, maybe they should wait for release

you could easily wait for release and see the maps listed for what modes

all the info is out there

[dusky blade]

That’s ignoring the entirety of the casual audience who don’t want to research every new game

They see them advertising 20 maps in cod, they’ll think 20 6 v 6

[pine roost]

If you don’t research and you buy blindly, that’s on you. 2042 should tell you that

[dusky blade]

Because cod is 6 v 6 and it’s been that since 2003

[muted plume]

i’m gunna be honest people who just don’t look at updates or anything are at fault if they don’t check

[slim quiver]

the gaming community talks all this shit about never pre ordering a game ever again and somehow people still acting like they pre order every game so they always get "scammed" and "tricked" by advertising. Its up to the consumer to do their due diligence. Do not let companies think for you and do not blame the company for when you decide to let them make your decisions for you

[steep jewel]

That's a fault on the consumer, I mean if you're not going to be bothered to look into what you're buying it's on you in some part

[dense terrace]

what in the name of our lord and saviour is champion hill

[slim quiver]

then its the consumers fault for not thinking

[dense terrace]

where is loser hill?

[dusky blade]

Literally this lmfao

[slim quiver]

at some point in your life you need to use your brain

especially when buying a product

[steep jewel]

Or Google even

[slim quiver]

^

[muted plume]

only time i’ll side with a mod

[dusky blade]

It’s really not fair to see something advertised and automatically assume it’s not being 100% clear

[arctic grove]

We need to post what zzzy said every 20 minutes. Maybe setup a bot to do it? lol

[slim quiver]

ive realized why gamers make half of their arguments

its because theyre so in control of their own money

that when they waste it

they need to find anyone to blame so they dont look like idiots

[unborn heart]

It really hasn't been 6vs6 back in the day

[dusky blade]

There’s a reason 2042 advertised AOW and portals maps seperate, and it’s to make it clear

[steep jewel]

Buyers remorse is at an all time low

[eternal storm]

So the consumers are to blame for many issues- but now how about the publisher?

[dusky blade]

Oop yep, forgot all games until 2007 were entirety server browser custom made matches that could have dozens of players

[slim quiver]

Call of duty 2 had 64 player servers. Xbox had 8 max i think @unborn heart

[steep jewel]

We've already covered that like 6000 times over in this chat lol

[slim quiver]

Cod 2 on PC was insane

[eternal storm]

6001 moth ma fuckaaa lol

[next onyx]

I remember my dad opening Cod 2 for the first time

[slim quiver]

cod 2 was a huge game

[next onyx]

With the surround speakers

[slim quiver]

people forget just how fun it was

[unborn heart]

First one on PC was 16vs16 most of time

[slim quiver]

and how many players

[slim quiver]

yes correct

[eternal storm]

Bf Vietnam for the win

[unborn heart]

Well, or a 32p deathmatch, which was more popular than TDM and especially S&D

[steep jewel]

Cod 2 was some of the funnest shit

[unborn heart]

Shout out to the forgotten gem, BEL

[slim quiver]

and yet people still think the devs meant that 2042 is the love letter for battlefield fans. Just goes to show you even when DICE labels out 3 separate modes and which is which, people still cant be bothered to turn on their thinking cap for 1 fucking minute

[steep jewel]

PS2 big red one lobbies were also a gem

[pastel tide]

14% recent on steam, lol

[slim quiver]

devs clearly said portal is a love letter to fans

and now people peddle "THEY SAID 2042 WAS A LOVE LETTER"

"OMG SCAMMED"

[arctic grove]

I punched my monitor because of the game .-.

[slim quiver]

god the level of stupidity that flows through this community is like a fucking lahar.

[pastel tide]

They said in a interview that 2042 should be something like BF3 and BF4. Nothing like it.

[vivid nacelle]

I remember playing original cod trial game. Played it over and over because at the time i didnt have the money for games. Was amazed

[grizzled whale]

uhm false advertising i bought a love letter but they gave me a game!!!

[slim quiver]

i mean the setting surely is something like it

[arctic grove]

Game is in a disastrous state
Also them: tactical beanie

[slim quiver]

its a modern fps game

with promotes team work

so basically what BF3/4 were

[steep jewel]

2042 is the title encompassing portal, they're not exactly seperate titles so it's legitimate that people associate it with its larger self, it's all the same game really

[pastel tide]

Don't know how old BF4 is but it's better in almost every way.

[steep jewel]

Different experiences, same game

[slim quiver]

i hated bf4 so idrc either way whats better

[pastel tide]

Which game you played, nothing in 2042 promote team play...

[slim quiver]

then you dont know how to work as a teammate i suppose

tho i dont even play 2042 either

so

but clearly the specialists unique gadgets promote team play

so i dont see how you dont see it

[dusky blade]

But at least it was advertised clearly, the bare minimum

[slim quiver]

even when something is advertised clearly its rarely ever listened to

[pastel tide]

Where everyone just choose what's best for them...

[slim quiver]

thats every BF game

[dusky blade]

A love letter equates to nothing more then a promise, distinguishing maps and modes equates to better understanding

[fierce gull]

There is still teamplay in 2042 lol

Jesus my koodies

[pastel tide]

To sole existent, but far less then it was before.

[fierce gull]

Yeah yeah alright

[slim quiver]

in fact in BF4 the amount of assault that replace their Defibrillators for a portable grenade launcher is the stupidest thing in the world, a bunch of medics not doing their job so they can rack up kills? yeah some team game

[vivid nacelle]

Lol you think people will medic more if theyre forced?

[pine roost]

I felt like more of it existed with the class system in place, it was more of a reliance than a coordinated team effort, but I felt more like I had a defined role to fulfil

[fierce gull]

That's me

[steep jewel]

The thing that makes 2042s team play so fucked is the fact that they not only have to balance the specialists to work well with eachother, but also make them preform well against like 25 other squads that could be composed of a combination of pretty much any specialists.

[unborn heart]

What I love is that people complain about no teamplay while playing a teamplay class like Angel or Falck and doing nothing with it

[steep jewel]

Idk how you plan effectively around something like that

[pastel tide]

Make classes and lock certain gadgets/weapon behind each specialist. Right now everyone playing the 2-3 same specialist. It's not working, simple as that.

[unborn heart]

Which is an all-time BF classic happening in every entry in some shape or form

[slim quiver]

yup they do it in every BF game

[dusky blade]

It’s just more effective to play selfishly is all, I guess that’s where it stems from

[slim quiver]

everyone says "oh my god specialists make people play for themselves"

gee i wonder what the fuck vehicle mains do every single BF game

[steep jewel]

Different strokes for different folks

[vivid nacelle]

Forcing people to certain gadgets wont make them use them more. Enough proof out there. People play objective modes without actually doing the objective.

[slim quiver]

could it be playing for themselves?

[pastel tide]

Why can't Sundance just take of her beanie and give it to angel, what a lazy dev team.

[fierce gull]

What's wrong with Mexican angel?

[dusky blade]

I do find it amusing how people are ranting about the beanie

[copper fulcrum]

Why are people so angry about this beanie, Jesus Christ the pettiness of you.

[steep jewel]

Most vehicle strata boil down to self preservation so it makes sense there. Infantry is supposed to work together

[desert elbow]

People are upset about the beanie? I really like it lmao

[dusky blade]

“How dare devs reuse a single asset”
Moment

[pastel tide]

Tells how Lost they are, a bit funny yeah.

[copper fulcrum]

How dare two of the ten specialists have one similar item on them?

[unborn heart]

Can't say no to a bit of facial hair either

[pine roost]

I would like it more if I could equip the beanie on other characters

[dusky blade]

I do appreciate the added moustache

[fierce gull]

This is what people expect the weekly challenge to be
Reward: $50000 + new map + 500 skins + 99999 guns
Challenge: walk on grass

[steep jewel]

I remember you saying that yesterday too

[fierce gull]

Gotta say a joke more than once

[slim quiver]

ive realized the community doesnt even want the same exact thing btw

[pastel tide]

Not really. But except to have a game that works and not being in a technical test on release...

[slim quiver]

the idea is, if the devs arent thinking about what every single individual person wants in the game, then its shit

[copper fulcrum]

It's just weekly challenges, it ain't anything big or special.

It's also just pre-season content, why are we expecting huge pieces of shit?

[fierce gull]

But it's just a weekly challenge

You want like
"Get 10,000 kills and we will fix 5 known bugs"

[dusky blade]

All the devs should do is add quality of live features, and make the game with a set path and idea of where of where it should go while including the core battlefield mechanics

[slim quiver]

im going to be honest on how i actually look at the community : the people say that battlefield is a mature community vs the cod community which is full of screaming children. But ive never been more embarrassed in my life to say im part of the BF community

and thats a truth bomb

[pastel tide]

I'm going to be honest, you seem like a defender.

[arctic grove]

If the game goes free and I don't get a refund I'm shitting my pants

[slim quiver]

what is a defender?

[dusky blade]

Get your diaper ready

[arctic grove]

Rainbow six siege

[pastel tide]

Defend the game like it's something more then it is. It's by far the worst BF game I ever experienced. It's a insult to the people that paid.

[dense terrace]

Marvel's Defenders

[slim quiver]

I dont like the game so why are you calling me a defender

[limber kestrel]

don't be sad it's just how it works out sometimes
-Dice to the community

[copper fulcrum]

The fact that people get so riled up about a character's description on a website you have to go out of your way of, and it's just the pronouns being used in the description just goes to show you how childish and immature a good portion of the community is. I wouldn't be typing this if it was a small portion of the community. I've seen it a lot on different social platforms including here.

[slim quiver]

if you mean that im defending the people that worked on the game from being savagely ridiculed, attacked and threaten? you fucking bet I am. People should be ashamed for attacking real people with actual feelings over a video game

[arctic grove]

Devs at dice just chilling, ignoring the drama and reusing assets from the game to make weekly mission rewards

[limber kestrel]

Attacking on devs is one thing, its disgusting, but calling out a company for allowing such a piece of shit to go out public as full price is another

[slim quiver]

honestly if I was a dice dev I would have quit from that level of harassment people were getting

[pine roost]

They are weekly mission rewards, the goal is just to give people something to do while we wait, do you want them to not release ANYTHING at all until the next patch?

[arctic grove]

They be like "make a weekly mission reward and get a raise"

[slim quiver]

if your calling out executive decisions sure, but we should never attack the actual people

[arctic grove]

Another defender

[dusky blade]

Lmfao you wouldn’t, it’s their job

[slim quiver]

all those people are real and breathin, they have feelings

[dusky blade]

Getting a job at a studio such as dice would not be easy

[slim quiver]

Their job is not to be attacked

[tranquil kettle]

nice pfp

[limber kestrel]

in 90% of situations like this, the executive decisions are the fault, they totally rushed the game

[slim quiver]

dont say I wouldnt quit because im sure theres devs that have quit over harassment

[limber kestrel]

if you know you know

[copper fulcrum]

Ah yes, giving players weekly challenges between the drops of content is a totally bad thing. Shut up.

[slim quiver]

saying that nobody has quit over harassment is clearly not true

[tranquil kettle]

indeed

[arctic grove]

If someone attacks the dice headquarters real shit will go off

[limber kestrel]

but fr the game's a mess and they dont take any responsibility for it

[grizzled whale]

They would attack en empty building

[slim quiver]

well also the community attacks people who cant make decisions

which makes no sense

[tranquil kettle]

terrorists win

[copper fulcrum]

They're working at home

[unborn heart]

Last time I checked getting abused is not in job description

[grizzled whale]

Ah, i see you still cant tab out of 2042 without your entire pc crashing after a few minutes

[tranquil kettle]

are they even working

[copper fulcrum]

Yes.

[mossy pelican]

If they would fix the framerate it would make the fame a lot nicer

[pastel tide]

They use 4 months to make a scoreboard, and that's phase 1 of how many phases. It's a scoreboard...

[slim quiver]

I believe there was a few cyberpunk devs that actually spoke out about leaving because of harassment

[tranquil kettle]

then how did they manage to fuck the gamenup this bad, they had 5 studios working on it and almost 4 years

[grizzled whale]

Cyberpunk devs got actual death threats

[tranquil kettle]

lmao

[arctic grove]

They'll only care if their employees actually get attacked

[limber kestrel]

2042 doesnt feel like a battlefield thats the issue

[slim quiver]

dice devs got death threats as well

not just cyberpunk

[grizzled whale]

Thats not really a lmao moment

[copper fulcrum]

It's a AAA gaming studio which got a lot of attention.

It's going to get death threats, it's dumb as fuck but that's the internet nowadays.

[limber kestrel]

no wonder, disgusting really, but they did the right thing and offered refunds

[arctic grove]

Who owns/manages dice

[copper fulcrum]

Remember when voice actors of The Last of Us Part 2 got death threats?

[shy bronze]

Damn you should be a psychologist, or a psychic since you clearly know people better than they know themselves

[tranquil kettle]

i mean thats kinda ovbious ... every dev gets death threats when they fuck ... happens in cod, battlefield everywhere

[slim quiver]

yeah it really isnt funny when people are threatening peoples lives and telling them to commit suicide over a game

[slim quiver]

and it shouldnt

we shouldnt be so "it happens" about this

[unborn heart]

Threatening and abusing people is not right regardless of what is happening, there are no excuses for it, period

[slim quiver]

we shouldnt be excusing poor actions because it simply "happens"

[arctic grove]

Nothing wrong with sending death threats to the manager who made the franchise shit right

[slim quiver]

its extremely wrong

[tranquil kettle]

while true most people dont care anyway and also what do you think a fat dude threaning you can do ...

[arctic grove]

Those money hungry bastards

[tranquil kettle]

typo ... anyway

[slim quiver]

they can hurt my feelings that are already damaged in an unstable mindset?

you know words can lead to actions right?

[grizzled whale]

okay maybe the DM7 is as bad as i thought it was

[tranquil kettle]

oh no not muh feelings

[hardy leaf]

threatening and provoking suicide shouldnt be there, however on a positive note there are very less people who do that, 90% of the people are just mad about the game being shit

[arctic grove]

Hate how games nowadays are made by money hungry and greedy bastards

[hardy leaf]

but they didnt gave any death threats

[slim quiver]

Yeah im sorry you lack basic empathy

[fierce gull]

Anyone know geminim impact whatever that shitty game is called

[slim quiver]

have you spoken to some dice devs?

[tranquil kettle]

not muh heckin feeling

[slim quiver]

because some of them got death threats just saying

[arctic grove]

The game where every single pixel has a rule 34 for it right

[pastel tide]

Wonder when the shop will be active in the game.

[desert elbow]

There are tons of games made by passionate individuals

[grizzled whale]

everything has a rule 34 for it

[tranquil kettle]

i mean why do you act so surprised ... its always been like this sinxe gaming existed

[slim quiver]

the fact that you can say that but probably complain about the state of the game is pretty telling right?

[pastel tide]

This was the real first attempt from Bf to monitize the hell out of us.

[arctic grove]

Mostly small ones that actually are quality

[tranquil kettle]

have tou every played old cods?

[limber kestrel]

we all are crying about the state of the game tho, literally since release

[unborn heart]

Just because something existed doesn't make it right

[desert elbow]

I disagree, BF4 had pay to win packs

[slim quiver]

except its more so a larger thing to grasp than before because social media, so its only snowballed worse and worse. This is a time to change it

[unborn heart]

Yes, approach to toxicity was way harsher back then

[hardy leaf]

im saying 90% of people are just mad only few people exist that give death threats and it shouldnt happen i agree, just saying those people are very less

[arctic grove]

Was it a plan all along?

[fierce gull]

Yeah
There was an update they didn't release and someone got mad so that person flew to the country where the studio takes place just to kill the developers (wrong reply)

[arctic grove]

Are they trying to brainwash us

[tranquil kettle]

while i dont approve ... they have a reason to be mad

[arctic grove]

Are they worshipping mark Zuckerberg

[unborn heart]

There is no "while" or "but"

[slim quiver]

theres no reason to attack another human being

[arctic grove]

And doing satanic rituals to make ppl buy the game

[unborn heart]

Abusing people is bad, period

[tranquil kettle]

i mean perhaps death threats isnt the solition for complaining about a game

[fierce gull]

That shows how much people like anime

[slim quiver]

there is not a single justification for those actions against real people

[pine roost]

But there are still potentially 10s of thousands of people out of the millions who play this game who do so, all that put on one person is not right

[slim quiver]

just because you are mad over a game doesnt give you the right to open season on people and trample all over them

[copper fulcrum]

Get every one of your brain cells checked if you think death threats is a good thing, just saying.

[limber kestrel]

death threats are mental lol

[tranquil turtle]

Can't check what you don't have

[tranquil kettle]

also 99.99% of the hate commenst are just comments like ny god just move on, they re literally pixels on a screen

[hardy leaf]

i mean people arent mad because of no reason, tons of games are released and people praise them, not every game gets petitioned against and receive 150000 signatures

[copper fulcrum]

wow, good point.

[unborn heart]

Again, that logic is victim shaming

[fierce gull]

I found
https://www.google.com/amp/s/comicbook.com/gaming/amp/news/genshin-impact-man-arrested-trying-to-kill-developer/

[unborn heart]

Which is, err, yeah, questionable

[tranquil kettle]

yeah but like ... you cant take everything that someones writes in the internet seriously

[tranquil turtle]

It's a game bruh, why are you trying to kill someone over a game

[unborn heart]

It adds up

[arctic grove]

I'll say "guilty" right away if I'm a judge at the courtroom where ea and dice is being sued

[tranquil kettle]

anyone can say anything lol

[slim quiver]

"theyre just comments" what a take

[limber kestrel]

Working as a software engineer, or a full time dev is disgustingly anxiety enducing, specially with such deadlines, people are wagering their jobs only to get death threats on top of that

[arctic grove]

Wait i don't think that it works like that

[unborn heart]

Slowly, gradually, bit by bit, if you're exposed to abuse on regular basis, it will eat away at you, it really doesn't matter if it's digital or in person

[fierce gull]

You would be a bad judge then

[limber kestrel]

im not blaming the devs, but the executives, its actually disgusting

[tranquil kettle]

i mean they re comments arent they

[slim quiver]

you know it must be nice not waking up and getting attacked online. Waking up with an inbox full of hate mail every single day that you have to read every single day

[unborn heart]

That doesn't give anyone a free pass to abuse

[shy bronze]

Yeah imagine half of your country wishing for your death in a war because you work in the military

[slim quiver]

we do studies how the psychological effects of 24/7 contact with other humans beings btw through social media and text messages

[slim quiver]

yeah another big problem

[limber kestrel]

instead of harassing with death threats the devs, literally dont buy an ea game lol???

[hardy leaf]

True that today itself i said in a server that i skipped dark souls 2 and someone replied i should skip living, but i dont have to make a big deal out of it and play the victim card for drama or for distracting people away if i have been incompetent at something

[copper fulcrum]

and then we got that one popular tweet by Tyler the Creator about cyberbullying (Which contains words that I cannot post here)

[arctic grove]

I wonder if the devs enjoy bf2042...

[slim quiver]

yeah if you're so mad over a game youre willing to trample on real peoples lives, you shouldnt be buying the games in the first place

[limber kestrel]

ofc not?

[copper fulcrum]

I've encountered a few in game

[slim quiver]

yeah hes right except for the words follow you in your head off the pc

[limber kestrel]

you really think the devs were like "ay yo game's looking ready we should tell the execs to release it"?

[tranquil kettle]

thats exactly what i meant, like it happened so many times im bf1 or cod that people told me "kill yourself" but like who cares

[arctic grove]

The more I read this chat tonight...the more I think this has gone to far....

[grizzled whale]

no they were "we need more time this game isnt ready" but werent given it

[limber kestrel]

^this

[unborn heart]

If you work your ass off for something just to get abused for it at the end of day, yes, you have every right to care

[slim quiver]

Well to someone who has been in that mindset before, it takes a toll on you and people don’t realize it

You brush it off probably because you weren’t in that mindset

[copper fulcrum]

People forget that people worked on this, not mindless machines with binary code to program games.

[arctic grove]

Im sitting in ea support chat while they try to figure out why my game wont launch. ..they are being super helpful

[unborn heart]

Again, there are no excuses and no mitigating factors

[limber kestrel]

tbh their support is alrighty

[hardy leaf]

i agree but tbh the end result matters, no one cares how much you studied if you failed at the exam

[slim quiver]

But when you wake up every day feeling worthless, you get on a game to enjoy and unwind and people tell you to commit suicide, it’s not good. Your moment of peace is basically shattered

[unborn heart]

Someone failing an exam still doesn't give you even the slightest shred of the right to abuse them

[limber kestrel]

maybe you failed cause you didnt have enough time to study for it??

[slim quiver]

How is it the professors fault if you fail

[limber kestrel]

well i mean if its a shit prof there is a fault but thats not really a good point

[slim quiver]

Yeah true but like

[hardy leaf]

no im not supporting abuse but it gives the right to stakeholders to criticize

[slim quiver]

If other people are passing

And you fail

[tranquil kettle]

also how tf does an email from a fat 20yo dude being mad about a game make you upset

lmao i cant stop laughing

[slim quiver]

Who’s mistake is that

[slim quiver]

Because it’s never just one person

But a myriad of people

[hardy leaf]

if someone criticize in an abusing way then its not right, but majority of people criticize without abusing as far as ive seen.

[slim quiver]

And they reach out to people around you maybe and do other shit to make your life hell

[tranquil kettle]

point stands even if its 2000 fat 20yo keyboard warrior dudes

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah let's just downsize it to one entity, it's not.

[slim quiver]

It seems like you’ve never been in this situation so you don’t know how it feels

[shy bronze]

Why do devs deserve a free pass for harassment

[slim quiver]

So I don’t expect you to understand

[slim quiver]

Because nobody should be harassed?

[tranquil turtle]

I think you'd enjoy your inbox being filled with mail that tells you to kill yourself everyday, then

[slim quiver]

Is this a joke?

[tranquil kettle]

i mean i get that basically daily on bf1 chat ...

[fierce gull]

Game chat means nothing

[limber kestrel]

banter is one thing in online communities, telling a dev to off himself is another

[tranquil turtle]

Not the same

[copper fulcrum]

That's something different.

[slim quiver]

From 2000 people every day and they follow you off of BF1?

[tranquil kettle]

the other day i got a 20 kill streak (iirc) and like 30 players told me to kill myself but i honestly dont care

[limber kestrel]

mw2 lobbies were golden age due to the amount of banter

[ripe hedge]

Wait did someone tell a dev that? again?

[tranquil kettle]

like why would even think thats relevant

[copper fulcrum]

You're comparing people getting angry at you for your performance in a game to people MAKING a game and getting death threats off of THAT

[fierce gull]

[limber kestrel]

sounds like a normal day for a dev

[slim quiver]

You’re confusing a 1 moment reaction to someone following you every day through social media after it

[tranquil kettle]

wdym again ... death threats to devs are a thing since the first battlefield

[hardy leaf]

if 90 out of 100 people say the game is shit, and 10 of them says something abusive and if you focus more on those 10 only and highlight what they said, you are just giving them undue importance, and also it seems like your are drifitng away attention from your failure by playing the victim card

[copper fulcrum]

no, I wouldn't say the first battlefield

[tranquil kettle]

i d be impressed if someone has the time to do that ngl

[shy bronze]

But why do devs get a free pass

[tranquil kettle]

like actually impressed and honored to have someone follow me like that

[shy bronze]

Where’s the outcry for military personnel getting harassed by civilians

[slim quiver]

Psychologically people think on things that effect them the most

[shy bronze]

Where’s the outcry for volunteer firefighters getting harassed and verbally abused

[slim quiver]

Different issues and different size of mindset

[shy bronze]

Why is it that devs deserve some sortve free pass

[limber kestrel]

We all know, even the devs themselves recognize it, the game is doo doo, utter dogshit, that doesnt justify you tho to harass them constantly, its one thing to say ye your game is dog do smth about it, and yet another thing to tell someone your game is dog, rope yourself

[tranquil kettle]

because this is ea's server where the victim is ea

simple as

[shy bronze]

How the fuck is that different? One is arguably more important than the other

[slim quiver]

Because we can witness it happening and we are talking about a relevant community

[slim quiver]

No person is more important than anyone

[shy bronze]

I never said a person is more important

I said a specific job is more important that making a fucking video game.

[slim quiver]

What’s this then

[unborn heart]

Sorry, but what sort of upside down logic is it that it's fine to abuse some people because others are?

[slim quiver]

But you’re talking about harassment right?

Why does the job matter

[ripe hedge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[shy bronze]

Where’s the outcry for us then?

[slim quiver]

It’s about the people

[unborn heart]

Because that's exactly what is implied here. None of them should be abused, period

[slim quiver]

Our whole point is nobody should be abused

[shy bronze]

Why is there no Twitter mob defending us for what we do?

[ripe hedge]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[steep jewel]

Online communities are entirely synonymous with harrasment. Ultimately the best thing someone can do is limit their interactions with these communities.

[slim quiver]

Because you’re looking for twitter to side with the military? Lmao good luck

[shy bronze]

Or what volunteers do? Why do devs deserve some sortve special free pass for harassment

[limber kestrel]

im studying CS, when someone gives you a deadline for a project you do it, if you fail to turn in your project, its your fault completely, if you deliver something half assed due to the lack of time then mayyybe the deadline was too small???

[hardy leaf]

where is the outcry for customers who think they are harassed by this broken game

[tranquil kettle]

i mean yeah and also simply ... understand that basically everything on the internet is bs most of times

[slim quiver]

How are people so confused by us talking about devs in a RELEVANT space

[shy bronze]

It’s the same ridiculous bullshit, if you legit can’t handle being thrown shit by someone online get help

[unborn heart]

Again, just because it's Internet doesn't give you a free pass to act like a scumbag to somebody

[limber kestrel]

tldr: Not devs fault, they required more time, execs pushed the game out

[shy bronze]

Sure, it isn’t a good thing, but why do devs deserve a free pass

[limber kestrel]

because quite literally not their fault

[tranquil kettle]

ok but on the internet everyone can say anything

[shy bronze]

Nobody has answered me that yet, why is it that every other field of work it’s okay, good example is politicians, I can assure you here everyone has said something bad about a politician

[slim quiver]

Then why call for military people to be protected just now? If you’re telling other people to suck it up take your own advice

[steep jewel]

Sure nobody should be abused, but it happens every day. That doesn't make it any more justified, but ultimately that's the world we live in and we must take steps to mitigate the abuse even if it means removing ourselves from the equation.

[unborn heart]

And exactly how does that make it any more fine?

[shy bronze]

We do suck it up, we don’t give a fuck what some random civilian says to us, why are devs supposed to get a free pass

[tranquil kettle]

that literally anyone can say anything type of bs so so you should think its the most relevant thing in the world

[unborn heart]

Also, dragging one group into the mud because other is dragged through it is a completely messed up logic that is the opposite to what should be considered

[slim quiver]

How many times will I have to say PEOPLE SHOULDNT BE ABUSED. Why are people equating this shit to “devs get a free pass why?“

We are talking about devs because it’s relevant in a video game discord

[unborn heart]

Again, how does anything you say here make the abuse fine? It still doesn't

[oblique ocean]

sigh anyone else getting timed out a lot from matches?

[steep jewel]

I think a part of the issue is that this conversation is taking place on discord

[shy bronze]

And how many times do we have to say, why is it that devs deserve some sortve free pass in regards to harassment? Why is there no advocation for any other field of work?

[tranquil kettle]

yes but like real life one is in fact, internet one is just literally pixels on a screen

[unborn heart]

Again, believe it or not, things add up over time. You can shrug it off the first, second, fifth time, eventually it catches up

[slim quiver]

Oh my god you’re not reading

[grizzled whale]

NOBODY deserves harassment

[glossy storm]

Bruh.

[unborn heart]

Breaking news, no, that still doesn't make it okay

[grizzled whale]

devs dont get a free pass for anything, NOBODY deserves it

[shy bronze]

You’re not reading

[slim quiver]

I don’t know how many fucking times I have to say it before you decide to read it

[limber kestrel]

Cause there are MANY developers each one working on a specific part on the game, from engine to gunplay, THEY make the game
Executives/Leaders give a DEADLINE on when the game should be released
IF the progress doesnt meet the specific deadline, they DELAY the game
But if the higher ups decide that the game should, no matter what, get released, then you get this mess
Devs said its not ready, higher ups didnt listen, this happened
Same shit as cyberpunk

[steep jewel]

Nobody deserves harrasment, but to think it can't and won't happen to you is wishful thinking

[shy bronze]

Then why is there no outcry from anyone else about it apart from devs?

[tranquil kettle]

kek

[hardy leaf]

need more time is a genuine excuse for bugs but not for a broken flawed game design, maps, destruction etc.

[slim quiver]

OH MY GOD BECAUSE WE ARE ON A GAMING DISCORD

THATS WHY WE ARE DISCUSSING JUST DEVS

[shy bronze]

That isn’t an excuse it’s a field of work.

[slim quiver]

Oh my god this is just unreal

[limber kestrel]

It quite is, as i said, look at cyberpunk, same shit.

[grizzled whale]

yeet the troll

[slim quiver]

Yeah this guy is trolling like mad

[ripe hedge]

😂

[shy bronze]

You’re trying to argue that devs deserve some sortve free pass for harassment.

[tranquil kettle]

i mean thats what im trying to say, its not okay but its less relevant that real life death threats

[grizzled whale]

EVERYONE DOES

[slim quiver]

If you’re not going to read don’t bother typing

We’ve said 200000000 fucking times that nobody deserves harassment

[tranquil kettle]

like literally anyone can comment on a battlefield post even the average discord mod/reddit mod can alright

[naive quiver]

Is it my computer problem or the game, sometimes the screen is freezes ?

[limber kestrel]

Isnt bf2042 on a new engine?

[tranquil kettle]

same engine just tweaked

[limber kestrel]

same... thats why im pushing for a refund

[hardy leaf]

but they shouldnt type anything just because they can

[shy bronze]

Yes, everyone does, but why is it when a game developer gets harassed online everyone rushes to the rescuer, volunteer firefighters that do it for free are verbally and physically assaulted at every scene they go to and there’s not a single shed of light on that situation, why’s that?

[limber kestrel]

ah thats just depressing

[tranquil kettle]

thats not how the world works though

[steep jewel]

There is a lot to be debated about wether or not having someone say mean things to you over the span of a match is harrasment.

[dusky blade]

The only people who actually deserve hate are management and executives, let’s be real here

[shy bronze]

Nobody deserves any hate at all

[limber kestrel]

thank you

[unborn heart]

It's still relevant and that's one thing that matters

[tranquil kettle]

based

[hardy leaf]

yes but thats what we all are fighting for, to make the world better maybe?

[dusky blade]

So we praise them for making 2042 the way it is?

[pine roost]

Devs makes games. Games that we enjoy playing. Devs intentions are to make a form of entertainment for us who enjoy their games, they deserve absolutely no abuse whatsoever, nobody does.

[dusky blade]

Big brain explodo moment

[shy bronze]

If you don’t like it, refund it,

[dusky blade]

That doesn’t change what the game is like

[tranquil kettle]

game that we enjoy
or do we

[unborn heart]

There is a lot of space between praising someone and abusing them

[steep jewel]

Objectively, nobody deserves to be harrased unless they're capping point or are holding the ball.

[naive quiver]

with my spec i9 1200k + 3090 , can’t run this game in smooth 🤣🤣🤣 look like I need 3090ti soon

[dusky blade]

I’m just talking about hate, not abuse

[shy bronze]

There’s this really great thing about digital purchases, you can refund it 90% of the time, I buy a new pair of running shoes, I don’t get a refund if they don’t fit correctly

[hardy leaf]

this situation would not have arised if DICE released a good finished game in the first place, these are the consequences of botching up so hard.

[arctic grove]

I just played a round on portal. 12600k/3080 no probs..smooth as butter.

[shy bronze]

Then refund it, or go play another game

[slim quiver]

You know I thought I’d be able to cleanly bring up a topic worth talking about and to no surprise only a fraction of people understand it

[tranquil turtle]

My rx580 and Ryzen 7 (don't remember which one) runs the game fine

[slim quiver]

That’s not an excuse

[tranquil turtle]

If you consider 50-60 fps fine 💀

[dusky blade]

But the franchise is still struggling, how does refunding help

[steep jewel]

Doomed to fail in a place like this

[hardy leaf]

i am playing another game, and i didnt buy it whats your point?

[limber kestrel]

tbh if you dont like the game, go ahead, submit a steam ticket or two, manual, refund it, buy something else

[naive quiver]

Have you try breakthrough?

[tranquil kettle]

i mean yeah thats true

[slim quiver]

That’s like saying a driver hitting a pedestrian would not have happened if the person stayed at home

[arctic grove]

100+ 3440 x 1440. High settings.

[dusky blade]

People are concerned for the FRANCHISE itself

[steep jewel]

I mean...

[shy bronze]

Then let it die

[hardy leaf]

yes, truth hurts lol

[arctic grove]

👍🏼

[dusky blade]

But that’s the thing, we don’t want it to die because we like it

[unborn heart]

There is also a lot of space between praise and hate

[limber kestrel]

showing the execs we dont want crap and unfinished games, and to take their god damn time, respect the devs, and let them do the work, as well as listen to the community which they havent done that for a long fking time

[tranquil kettle]

wich ... is true though

[glossy storm]

It's not an excuse, but the obvious truth.

[slim quiver]

So the driver hitting the pedestrian is not at fault

[tranquil kettle]

ok and i hate ea for ruining another franchise once again 👍

[slim quiver]

There’s truth in things that are wrong

[arctic grove]

Seeing all the hate makes me want to play it more...I guess I will pay another month of EA Play.😀

[slim quiver]

For instance we arrest drunk drivers for killing people correct?

[tranquil kettle]

i mean .. we re talking about a game

[naive quiver]

I don't have this stuck screen problem in any game I play only in Battlefield 2042

[slim quiver]

Can’t die by a drunk driver tho if you never go out

[dusky blade]

Fair, but it’s hard to do anything but be on the very negative side when features obviously meant to chase trends and make money are put in and compromise the game

I’m not for harassment at all, but I get some of it

[steep jewel]

I mean technically no, atleast not in that theoretical situation, the person never left home so the driver never hit anyone

[hardy leaf]

nope thats a bad example, pedestrian should have crossed roads carefully and not carelessly being drunk so accident wouldnt happen is the right example here

[shy bronze]

You don’t like it at all, the community can’t make its fucking mind up on anything, one minute they want all these maps, huge amounts of them, dice does that, people cry and whinge saying there’s only 2 good maps the others are shit, they make 24/7 servers for those maps, people whinge and cry saying there’s no variety, yet these same people were the original group complaining that there is too many maps.

[tranquil kettle]

if the game was good then the devs would be praised ... and you know it

[tender folio]

[slim quiver]

How do you know they were crossing a road

I didn’t even describe what happened

The driver could have driven on the side walk

[limber kestrel]

The community wants literally a proper, battlefield, without cringy quotes and specialists, not a cheap cod knock off

[dusky blade]

“Want all these maps” only 7 maps
There is no 24/7 for maps?

[steep jewel]

How do you know they weren't? There are a lot of variables in a situation like this, and I see no lawyers.

[glossy storm]

I would say that your analogy isn't quite right. It should be more like 'a driver hitting a pedestrian would not have happened if he followed the proper regulations'.

[slim quiver]

How will you dodge a car moving 80 mph on foot?

[shy bronze]

It was in regards to previous titles

[tranquil kettle]

i just wanted a bf4/3/2 remaster

[dusky blade]

I don’t think anyone has ever complained about there being too much content

[steep jewel]

Like me personally?

Really depends on how far away it is

[dusky blade]

“Oh god I have too much fun, too many offerings, I need less stuff to do”

[limber kestrel]

wouldnt mind at all as well

[slim quiver]

I see it’s impossible to form an analogy without creating a short story

[hardy leaf]

im comparing it with the battlefield 2042 game situation, i didnt say they shouldnt have made the game so criticism wouldnt happen, im saying they shouldnt have made a screwed up unfinished game but a proper game so all this could have been avoided

[tranquil kettle]

by just being built different

[sturdy prism]

Its more like a Warface knockoff, which is a cod knockoff so bf2042 is a knockoff of a knockoff

[slim quiver]

What’s a proper game

[steep jewel]

Well that's what happens when you leave a bunch of holes in the analog

[limber kestrel]

Or quite literally the best thing EA can do right now is scrap 2042, and work on portal as a remaster of 3, 4 and bc2

[slim quiver]

The one that has all the features you want in it?

[hardy leaf]

thats playable with no bugs, persistence errors etc

[slim quiver]

Most analogies are short for a reason

[glossy storm]

DICE = driver.
Hitting the pedestrian = releasing a troubled game in a poor state.
Following the rules = giving it more time, at least to iron out the bugs.

[slim quiver]

There’s multiple things left out of analogies that can be questioned

[steep jewel]

Yeah they're also usually well thought out and make sense too

[tranquil kettle]

based

[hardy leaf]

thats atleast playable with no plethora of gamebreaking bugs

[slim quiver]

It did make sense in a certain perspective

[shy bronze]

Another example (attrition system) was a great system with BFV, dice removed it because the community hated it because they couldn’t go on huge killstreaks in a tank anymore.
2042 comes around, the attrition system is gone, people whinge about tanks having unlimited ammo and insane amounts of reserves…. Yet you guys complained that the attrition system was shit in BFV and wanted it removed??….. @dusky blade

[limber kestrel]

and the car is the devs

[shy bronze]

As I said, the battlefield community does not know what it wants

[steep jewel]

Very poor choice of words

[tranquil kettle]

honestly i was happy that unlikited ammo was back

[slim quiver]

The reasons people think the game is and is not objectively done, it’s just design choices. So basically the only way for them to have avoided criticism is by not making this game at all

[steep jewel]

But I mostly agreed with you so at this point were just discussing analogies themselves.

[tranquil kettle]

but then tanks had no hp compared to bf1

literally 4 shots from the 50 cal was enough to kill a tank

[slim quiver]

If you agreed with it than you understood it at least

[dusky blade]

Attrition system was not good because it encouraged camping even more then before, something people dislike. You run out of ammo? You’re actually screwed

Infinite ammo with a timer would be best

[hardy leaf]

no thats not the main reason, the reason is game breaking bugs at launch

[dusky blade]

See, I critiqued it then offered a solution, that’s fair

[shy bronze]

That’s the whole point of attrition….. to make you restock at base so you don’t sit there the entire fucking round spawn camping the enemy team.

[dusky blade]

But attrition makes it so you NEED to camp back there if you want some ammo

[shy bronze]

It adds a completely new layer of complexity

[tranquil kettle]

hopefully game will become good one day

[steep jewel]

Oh yeah totally, but me understanding what you were trying to say doesn't mean it lands any better, I mean I think this whole conversation is a good indication of a bad environment for critical discussions

[pine roost]

But it has the adverse affect of tanks camping those spots in order to keep fighting

[shy bronze]

The restocks weren’t in good positions, it isn’t hard to destroy a restock

Restocks we’re at base, or at one of the points closest to the spawns

[limber kestrel]

what i loved on battlefield was the attention to detail, how the characters move, interact, shoot, prespective, destructability, all that kind of stuff
yet 2042 feels totally like a generic shooter you can find on steam for 40 cents on sale

[slim quiver]

It’s physically impossible to use any sense here

[elfin flame]

I still have no clue why DICE removed the "damage done to vehicles" XP since it seems like anti material rounds were made just for that purpose.

[slim quiver]

Either people misunderstand instantly, they twist the words or they go off on a separate tangent

[tranquil kettle]

ea sports: its in the stock prices rising

thats all they care about

[slim quiver]

Usually it’s a bunch of “whataboutism”

[arctic grove]

this^

[limber kestrel]

well their sports game are constantly selling cause they are casual games

[elfin flame]

Also they are barely disguised casinos.

[limber kestrel]

as well as that

[tranquil kettle]

in general ea doesnt even tell anything yo the comminunity unless stock prices drop... wich is what happened after 2042 release

[limber kestrel]

its their money maker, just like acti has cod

in general ea doesnt give a f about the bf community

[shy bronze]

Nice passive aggressive tone

[limber kestrel]

or even titanfall community

[steep jewel]

We're all guilty of it

[slim quiver]

I wasn’t being passive aggressive

I was being straightforward

[shy bronze]

That’s literally you being passive aggressive

[slim quiver]

It is not at all lmao

[unborn heart]

Here's the fun thing with stocks... these drop almost every single time something big comes out anywhere and rebound within a month-ish. Hell, even RDR2 had that

[steep jewel]

How does one deduce tone from a line of text?

[tranquil kettle]

indeed they only care about pushing out as many games as possible to make money

[unborn heart]

There is nothing passive aggressive about what was said there

[undone bone]

[shy bronze]

@dusky blade still waiting for the response

[tranquil kettle]

ok but 2042 sucks, rdr2 is goty 2018 and for a reason

[slim quiver]

Passive aggressive is indirectly expressing negative outlooks, I was 100% straight forward

I didn’t indirectly refer to anything

[limber kestrel]

ea just bets safe thats the issue

[slim quiver]

I tackled it head on

[shy bronze]

Since clearly you know what the community wants @dusky blade

[hardy leaf]

Facts

[limber kestrel]

idk seems they need a new ceo at this point, this is quite embarassing to even look at

[unborn heart]

And from stock standpoint impact of both has actually been pretty comparable

[limber kestrel]

rdr2> god of war, no kapp

[elfin flame]

I mean... 2042 was the safest bet they could've made and still managed to f it up.

[fallen coral]

The next bf game gonna suck too

[olive lake]

I personally dislike this community

[tranquil kettle]

also rdr2 made rockstar made way more money than 2042 did with ea

[shy bronze]

🐴

[undone bone]

[limber kestrel]

not quite, bf5 didnt do as well as expected, it was their chance for redemption yet yeah instead of sticking to the classic bf formula, they took a dumb risk and tried to experiment with specialists and stuff

[hardy leaf]

comparing an open world third person western shooter against a linear melee fantasy story game, you need to be more reasonable and logical, and this is my constructive criticism for you in case you get mad

[steep jewel]

It's okay we love you

[fallen coral]

It is what it is

[olive lake]

For a 'chill' community, the gatekeeping is awful

[shy bronze]

And you’re still gonna buy it

[limber kestrel]

in terms of story telling

[fallen coral]

Nah

[tranquil kettle]

if there s ever gonna be one

[shy bronze]

You’re either with them or against them, there’s no in between

[fallen coral]

Damn

[tranquil kettle]

just like titanfall

[limber kestrel]

nah im just gonna sit out of bf till i see actual gameplay

after release

[hardy leaf]

in terms of story, death stranding beats all

[foggy crest]

Death stranding is the most trash game

[limber kestrel]

rdr2 was by far the best gaming cinematic experience i've had

[steep jewel]

I can't really understand what the appeal of death stranding is

[tranquil kettle]

same

cant even compare it to 2042, its not even fair

[undone bone]

If you actively see users break the rules please make a ticket through @clear spade.

[elfin flame]

Look at how they marketed everything. Everything was going exactly in their favour. They were making it look like the sequel to BF4 everyone wanted but behind the scenes they were trying their best to hide specialists.

[olive lake]

Agreed. I just want AOW solo/coop to have full progression and there are so many people who scrounge for stupid pathetic excuses as to why it cant happen when it should

[hardy leaf]

its niche, im liking it but i can see why some people hate it too

[shy bronze]

Just how it be

[near ivy]

anyone wants to play bf1?

[limber kestrel]

2042 got all the hype, yet underdelivered, and thats an understatement

[olive lake]

I mean, I also see some mods interacting and not taking action at all without modmail

[limber kestrel]

it was "a dream come true" but not really

[unborn heart]

I remember the gatekeeping from when I was starting in BF3... sure as hell had a way to make one look like dirt on the shoe. Sure didn't go anywhere either, just the name of game for "true Battlefield player" changed

[hardy leaf]

i can do with specialists, but there are lot of other things that are just messed up in the game

[slim quiver]

There’s also mod discretion about things

[olive lake]

But I wont pry into that. Since some mods have bias instead of being open about the whole community

[undone bone]

Respectfully, you'd have no idea since moderators don't take action from within general channels.

[limber kestrel]

bf3 is goat for me rly, operation metro camping

[elfin flame]

No one is gatekeeping. We are simply voicing our displeasure with the game. If you enjoy it, enjoy it. But it's clear that a large majority of the community just doesn't like the game. @olive lake

[shy bronze]

@olive lake do what I do, I’m myself and only myself, fuck everyone else I come first, my opinions change based on who I’m trolling and as do my political views.
Be selfish, get 5 covid jabs not to protect people around you, but to prevent you from developing respiratory issues in the future, be based. 😎

[slim quiver]

I’ve never seen GateKeeping actioned here

[olive lake]

Prime example is gatekeeping pve players

[hardy leaf]

well its a mistake on your part to expect a discord moderator moderating everything fair and square, they dont get paid for this

[shy bronze]

@slim quiver moderators aren’t welcomed here because they are EA shills

[elfin flame]

Who is gatekeeping PVE players?

[olive lake]

I dont think you understand I dont enjoy the game either. This cap over pve modes nake ne not wanna play. Just wsnt the cap gone

[shy bronze]

Who fucking isn’t

[slim quiver]

But I don’t even like 2042 lmao

[grizzled whale]

can pow just be banned yet?

[shy bronze]

The amount of times I’ve seen people whinge about bots in MP is just idiotic, who cares it’s a BOT

[summer crescent]

Do you play BF1?

[fallen coral]

1st mod to say it

[slim quiver]

Yes

[summer crescent]

Nice

[limber kestrel]

literally no sane man likes 2042 at its state