battlefield-2042

[humble isle]

lewis with bf1 road to bfv arras skin is good

[lunar hare]

i prefer the bar over the fg42 for faster firing lmgs idk man

[solar moss]

its a STEN with more recoil than the sten, why would i use it

[humble isle]

M1A1 i mained but ke7 was meh

[restive trail]

I think its just me but the lewiss recoil is wack

[copper fulcrum]

I feel like the MP-40 has more control over the STEN

[restive trail]

Sten is better IMO

[brittle forge]

I feel like the lewis is one of the most stable lmgs tbh

[visual horizon]

M3 Grease Gun is the best gun in BFV

[regal ravine]

I wanted to main the MP40 at launch but Sten just felt better in every way even tho they had similar stats

[solar moss]

i pretty much only play support to use shotguns and repair vehicles...

[humble isle]

I think mp 40 recoil < sten recoil but sten accuracy < mp40 accuracy

[lunar hare]

yeah but it practically has a 100-round magazine and you don't need to be proned to ads tho

[solar moss]

its actually hilarious how busted the repair tool is in every single battlefield

[regal ravine]

why is it busted

[solar moss]

it ruins both air and ground vehicle battles by making it a contest of who can blowtorch their vehicle fastest

[copper fulcrum]

Soloing a TIGER with nothing but Lunge Mines and a repair tool is always the most fun experience

[humble isle]

M1A1s and semi autos will still always be my favourite

[restive trail]

Whats the italian SMG again

[next onyx]

The mab 38

[brittle forge]

fear not, cause in 2042 the repair tool kinda sucked

[restive trail]

Ah yes the MAB

[lunar hare]

OMG LOL I LOVE BEING THAT GUY

[restive trail]

I feel like its very underrated tbh

[next onyx]

Adhd go brr

[arctic grove]

we all get to be specialists in the new bf? im....special. I KNEW IT

[next onyx]

Fg42 is marvellous.

[copper fulcrum]

Adderall overdose goes AAAGAGAGAGAGAGA

[next onyx]

I HAD COFFEE THAT DAY OLD MAN

[lunar hare]

i sneak behind team/squadmates' tanks with my blowtorch and repair it everytime they got shot

[copper fulcrum]

INTERESTING WAY OF SPELLING G-FUEL INJECTIONS

[next onyx]

What is Adderall

[brittle forge]

Everyone’s a winner on the Battlefield

[restive trail]

ADHD gang

[next onyx]

ohhhhhh its that

[copper fulcrum]

Adderall is a drug that treats ADHD

[next onyx]

ye

[restive trail]

Musta chugged that shit considering how cracked u look

[next onyx]

I was on Ritalin

Yeah LOL

[regal ravine]

i prefer repair tool spamming to BFV where every dogfight turns into my enemy flying back to their base resupply faster and just loop it infinitely

[solar moss]

this is why you never use landmines

[brittle forge]

FG-42 is very noice

[solar moss]

they never work in bfv when you try and put them on vehicles

[next onyx]

Oh i mean, I was on ritalin earlier on my life

[brittle forge]

It’s better than the bar in almost every way which kind of makes me sad but oh well

[solar moss]

the sticky ones do, but they dont deal that much damage

[next onyx]

Yeah i tried to blow them up but i burned my self

[restive trail]

the BAR is a bit odd but very powerful

[humble isle]

isnt it kinda weird that they added the limpet in a ww1 game but not the ww2 game

[next onyx]

I panicked cause of fear of being strafed

The bar is a great hyper aggressive option for support

[humble isle]

unless they did and im wrong

[restive trail]

i like using the bren with a 3x scope tho

[brittle forge]

I haven’t finished leveling up the bar yet but it’s recoil is like ridiculous by default

[restive trail]

thats a great way to play IMO

[next onyx]

It isn't too difficult to control

Yeah the bren with the 3x just beams people

[lunar hare]

you can get a timed charge for the support class in BFV iirc

[brittle forge]

I need to use it on closer quarter maps rather than what I was using on

[next onyx]

Yeah we have the shaped charge

[brittle forge]

The Bren is a laser. People sleep on that thing

[dark sandal]

dude windows is such garbage

[next onyx]

But the thing is just awkward to use

[restive trail]

Also chauchat is chau-shit

[lunar hare]

yeah lunge mine ftw

[next onyx]

The chauchat is beautiful

[regal ravine]

there was a short period of time back in early 2019 that Gwehr 1-5 was the best gun for every engagement

[humble isle]

i enjoyed it in 1

[dark sandal]

this shit just installed the realtek audio without my permission

[next onyx]

I can show two clips with either the bar and the chauchat

if need be.

[solar moss]

why would u use anything apart from the rapid fire sniper rifle the model 97

[restive trail]

Decided to give it a firerate slower than the semiautos AND the highest LMG recoil

in BF1 yeah it was good but BF5 it was ass

[solar moss]

noooo realtek audio what a tragedy

[dark sandal]

im using microsoft audio driver because its much better and this shit just put realtek over it

it made my audio sound incredibly muffled

[onyx oar]

reasons to use chauchat: it looks funky

[next onyx]

I will admit the chauchat has the most violent recoil in 5

But when you get used to it, It's not so bad

[humble isle]

did any of you guys end up unlocking the campaign melee weapons anyhow

[next onyx]

Yeah i got them all

Gives you something to work towards

@restive trail

OH i think you saw this clip

[lunar hare]

do different melee weapons have different damage stats? i mainly just use the kukri for every class

[humble isle]

Nice. The tiger challenge was bugged for me and I was not counted for it by one prequisite thing (think it was a letter but didnt count when collected)

[next onyx]

Knives and clubs deal the same damage at 34

[solar moss]

the 55 damage model ones are the best by far

[next onyx]

Hand tools, Like the shovels, Okinawa machete and coupe coupe deals 55

[humble isle]

Yeah it depends on how huge the weapon is, the heavier the more damage but slower

[lunar hare]

ahh i see

[solar moss]

the commando machete is the best one because it seems to have commando pro built into it, you lunge incredible distances with it

[stiff pollen]

You generally want the higher damage for the melee cause it equals getting more one shots

[next onyx]

Think that's because of your combat medic perk, Zh

[stiff pollen]

Iirc the lower damage ones only benefit is increased execution range

[next onyx]

In a sense their animations aren't too much faster or slower than each other

[solar moss]

no, ive seen people teleport up to me with that thing even without having combat medic trait

[next onyx]

Just a different style for vanity

[humble isle]

Yeah im pretty sure all of them are roughly the same speed

[next onyx]

Must be the very edge of the lung erange then

[humble isle]

except the strangling one seems kinda.. slow , last time i remember

[native bone]

Wonder if there will be a 2143

[next onyx]

Yeah the ones on the peoples backs are unique

The same animation will run o matter the weapon you have

[solar moss]

people really underrate the call in tanks

[next onyx]

I stole a guys AA Tank on the top of B and gunned own half a dozen helicopters.

[lunar hare]

calliope/hachi are the best

[humble isle]

flamethrower and big rocket tanks are a cool concept so yeah

[solar moss]

why would you use a v1 rocket on a massive map where enemies are gonna be really spread out instead of having a virtually unkillable death machine and a 40+ killstreak

[next onyx]

Oh you mean the squad tanks

It really depends

[solar moss]

the calliope and the hachi are game winning

[lunar hare]

sturmtiger can be deadly when you get the hang of it

[humble isle]

the toxic messages will come your way eventually

[next onyx]

Sometimes i get a churchill crocodile first on aerodrome for control if they tanks are a bother, but a rocket can be incredibly useful for clearing the front of the aerodrome or D

Which by the way, The crocodile is busted.

[solar moss]

every time i get breakthrough on a pacific map, as soon as i get my hands on one of the rocket tanks i can basically win the game for my team, esp if im defending- the hachi can obliterate pretty much any vehicle that tries to push

[humble isle]

defaming shouts of “Vehicle Whore!” emit

[solar moss]

all they have against you are the landing boats and lvts, all of which you can just remove from existence with a few rockets

[humble isle]

though tbf flamethrower tank cool

[next onyx]

Try using the main cannon as well Zh, It's as powerful as its contemporaries final upgrade.

[tame cobalt]

If those tanks are unkillable then why are they always destroyed within 1 minute of me calling them in? 😎

[solar moss]

i know, i frequently switch between them because theres no loading time

[next onyx]

Oh fair enough

[solar moss]

you can do some doom eternal quickswap stuff with them if you time it right

[next onyx]

Yeah

You can keep a constant dps

[solar moss]

also, ive gotten pretty good at guesstimating the trajectory

[lucid trench]

nice hacks

[solar moss]

its really funny to have the calliope on panzerstorm

just crossmap tigers from a different objective

its also virtually unkillable on provence too

[oblique finch]

Is there a way to get more attention to my ea general discussion post?

[humble isle]

how does provence play anyway? i quit before i could play it and only played the tdm, non vehicle version

[solar moss]

imagine if mercury was made US vs Germany, how op the calliope would be because of where the tank resupply spots are on that map...

[next onyx]

Ehhhh i guess?

But i mean, that's likeusing the sturmtiger

Actually come to think of it i haven't used the sturmtiger on mercury

[lunar hare]

by the time operation mercury on crete started the US hasn't joined the war yet

[solar moss]

eh, its not really great because of how many hills the map has

[solar moss]

i know, but dice dont exactly care lol

[lunar hare]

but ehh who cares it would be fun lol

[next onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/601036700495380501/733636327639089232/20200717_201834.jpg

[lunar hare]

exactly

[next onyx]

Yeah true

The sturmy boi wouldn't be too good anyways but it's worth a shot

[lucid trench]

this is what i get for sniping people mid air with tank

[solar moss]

i really wish there was a little more turret control for the mobile artillery tanks like in war thunder, them having no horizontal movement at all is a little annoying

[next onyx]

Dude on that round which prompted the message, It was the first i got in a churchill, let alone in a tank for a really long time

[regal ravine]

ah, nothing better than tasting the salt of infantry as you farm them with a vehicle

[cloud crown]

Lmao gonna be seeing like 10 of the same Korean specialist all running into the same building. Should call this game clone wars in that case.

[lucid trench]

have you seen

[solar moss]

i can vehicle whore basically every game because of ps5 loading times lmao

[next onyx]

Mobile arty you mean in something like the Sturmgeschutz and or the vallie archer?

[lunar hare]

the grenade launcher on the sturmtiger can really help clear out infantry

[solar moss]

yeah

[next onyx]

By the way, Don't need to cosntantly reply i know who you're talking to!

Yeah the grenade launcher is really useful cause it can cover your back

[lunar hare]

it's just a matter of finding good squadmates/teammates

[solar moss]

sorry its just instinctive for me to use the reply feature

[next onyx]

Yeah fair enough

[regal ravine]

Korean War colourized 2042

[next onyx]

I remember a round where it was a full sturmtiger squad, Two machine gunners peppering the bastards, Me launching mini nukes at the enemy. It was so much fun.

[solar moss]

i actually hope the next battlefield is korean war/ other cold war era conflicts

[next onyx]

Who knows what they'll do really

I'm not too concerned over the eras that they do

[delicate hollow]

battlespace

[solar moss]

the korean war is criminally underdone in games, it could easily be an inbetween hybrid between a ww2 and modern shooter because tech was still kind of inbetween

[next onyx]

Just really the further in the future it is the more creativity they have.

[humble isle]

it was primarily ww2 weapons though

[next onyx]

Yeah you don't hear the korean war too often

I gotta crash its almost 5 am

[humble isle]

just with proto jets

[next onyx]

I hope you guys have an awesome one ^^

[regal ravine]

Dice could make plenty of BF games with all the US v Russia proxy wars

[stiff pollen]

And yet the chose to create another fictional us vs Russia proxy war

Curious

[lunar hare]

the map possibilities would be endless should they choose a cold war setting for the next BF

[grizzled jungle]

why

[regal ravine]

I have a feeling the next one will be even more futuristic, perhaps in a Cyberpunk era

[humble isle]

battlefield a song of ice and fire

[regal ravine]

attack dragon and stealth dragon

[oblique finch]

So a stealth bomber in that era is just a dragon shitting? or? how is that going to work?

[regal ravine]

who knows

[cinder stone]

Bf2042 feels like a sinking ship

[fiery solar]

Hold B to call in flaming turd

[vivid flower]

sup?

[humble isle]

….a high flying dragon, simple but lame

[cinder stone]

@oblique finch stop simpin

[tame cobalt]

bf2042 feels like hype af

[oblique finch]

To who am I simpin?

[cinder stone]

yeah cant wait for specialists

[tame cobalt]

Same

[placid echo]

Same!

[oblique finch]

Sup @placid echo !

[placid echo]

Hi and Hola

[fiery solar]

people shitting on 2042 like they arent going to get a 100 kill game every match as they start complaining about specialists

[cinder stone]

😐 really good idea to add specialists to a battlefield

[fiery solar]

yeah guy grapple up i play

[oblique finch]

Anyone wanna see my specialist idea?!

[placid echo]

It's more variety to the gameplay so I ain't really complaining

[fiery solar]

the better just cause 4

[cinder stone]

only have it in the battle royal ?

[regal ravine]

at this rate, we will eventually see a version of all of R6 operators in BF2042

[oblique finch]

No. A specialist idea. Not an idea for specialists

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Specialist-idea-Mortar/m-p/10885563#M25798

[stark canyon]

jc4 graphics is similar to tetris

[fiery solar]

jc4 is so shit

[cinder stone]

sounds pretty poopy

[fiery solar]

i thought i was playing on 60x12 res

[cinder stone]

also why play that if you can get a free wall hack ?

[delicate hollow]

sundance is wack

[placid echo]

nuh uh, wingsuit babe

[delicate hollow]

true

that is why wack

[grizzled jungle]

Parachute

[oblique finch]

she looks so cool

[tacit river]

Only for 10s

[placid echo]

I'd rather take a maneuverability option over seeing an enemy through a wall 10 inches in front of me for 10 seconds

[oblique finch]

def gonna play the wingsuit!

[cinder stone]

🙂 k

[delicate hollow]

i think i like sundances character design the best

[lunar hare]

flying squirrel

[cinder stone]

so that makes it less shitty

[tacit river]

Tbh people are over reacting

The type of game bf is it isn't that impactful

[glass shadow]

same, them or espinoza

[cinder stone]

Battlefield doesnt feel like battlfield anymore

[delicate hollow]

noza is kinda cool

[timid cosmos]

no it just made clear to them balance of specialists is going to be wack

[placid echo]

I like Espinoza's voice and design

[regal ravine]

BF wallhack cheat sellers will go broke after 2042 releases

[oblique finch]

for some reason "Espinoza" just the word. Makes me hungry

[placid echo]

Battlefield has always been big battles where anything can happen and it's still certainly the case for 2042

[arctic grove]

cause it’s evolving. i like the change

[delicate hollow]

big brain move by dice tbh

[regal ravine]

everyone gets wallhacks

[cinder stone]

yeah evolving into a cash grab like CoD

[arctic grove]

what makes you think that?

[fiery solar]

plot twist: there is no real anticheat instead they made every known hack into a single specialist so everyone can cheat

[placid echo]

Because characters lol

I guess playing as characters turns you into CoD

[cinder stone]

fucking specialists

[grizzled jungle]

Characters = Skin packs every week

[fiery solar]

ok

[arctic grove]

are cosmetic skins bad now?

[regal ravine]

all we need now is an aimbot specialist then we truly have Overwatch 2042 and no anticheat required

[placid echo]

I assume people are going to wear skins that cover faces anyways

A LOT OF players in BFV already cover their faces

[timid cosmos]

even if they wanted specialists them as characters make no sense

[fiery solar]

idk why people buy skin cosmetics in FPS games

[lunar hare]

the ghillie suits lol

[placid echo]

It's a video game, it doesn't need to make total sense

[cinder stone]

no but its sacrificing good gameplay for money

[placid echo]

Not really?

[timid cosmos]

even video games had a logic to them

[cinder stone]

yes it fucking does

[placid echo]

I don't really see that

[pearl bobcat]

i think bf2042 is currently having a identity crisis

[cinder stone]

run into a clone every time will be fun you are right

[arctic grove]

that’s why I disliked cold wars operator things free ones sucked and no options to cover face lol

[placid echo]

And we don't do that with previous games in the series?

[grizzled jungle]

no

[regal ravine]

with every info drop, it becomes clearer that 2042 was originally a BR-style game but repurposed down the line to accomodate the classic BF gameplay

[cinder stone]

soldiers with gear are not people with names

[pearl bobcat]

like there is super sprinting which cod has and the way your character carries the gun while sprinting kinda resembles warzone

[placid echo]

We'll even be able to customize our people, so it's fine.

[cinder stone]

if you pay up

[placid echo]

Considering the increase of map sizes, I'm totally okay with a run faster option

[arctic grove]

I disliked a lot of the cold war operator skins because they looked like they came from some kind of superhero movie.

[fiery solar]

battlefield x warzone collab easter egg

[placid echo]

You'll be able to unlock skins just like in V

[grizzled jungle]

BF1 had distinct differences between each faction, and you could still identify there class

[torpid shuttle]

I can't imagine. If game rule set friendly fire + hide hud + 1 specialist character allowed...

[regal ravine]

We will never be spoiled again like BF1 spoiled us with its designs and attention to detail

[arctic grove]

BF1 had lootboxes though and nobody ever complained/complains about that?

[fiery solar]

bf1 cant be beaten

[regal ravine]

they were just cosmetic and super easy to obtain

[placid echo]

BF1 was the last one to have lootboxes and I don't really like using the lootboxes

[regal ravine]

battle pass > lootbox

[cinder stone]

oh yeah cuz that game so great. I want that old feeling back. Not some copy paste concept.

[fiery solar]

not even big tornado can defeat bf1

[bronze junco]

dice went super woke after Bf1

[glossy storm]

Ah, I see people are still complaining about 2042.

[fiery solar]

like they didnt preorder ultimate edition

[ocean plinth]

Lmao

[cinder stone]

Dice (EA) after BF1 saw the money and started to crap out unfinished shit like BFV or BF2042

[placid echo]

Ironically, the most fun I've had in a shooter in a long time, and it was just the beta :D

[fiery solar]

no one hates battlefield more than a battlefield player

[lucid trench]

ehh yes it can lol

[pearl bobcat]

I mean yeah all forms of Media did when Trump won the 2016 election

[placid echo]

We don't really have to bring politics into this

[fiery solar]

trump controls dice

[pearl bobcat]

ik

[ocean plinth]

Could yall stop crying for five minutes

[fiery solar]

each cosmetic you purchase is money sent to trump if you disagree with this dont buy cosmetics so dice focuses on the actual game

[tame cobalt]

Cool pfp

[glossy storm]

I too enjoyed it, despite a few bugs and performance issues.

[bronze junco]

tell that to dice :v

[stiff pollen]

Dice called me and said we have to buy 4 skins each or they’re not making a new battlefield

[tame cobalt]

The assembly building has a very cool visual design imo

[placid echo]

Again, we can stop discussing politics.

I will say that the existence of women/people of color =/= politics and I should not need to bring that up here.

This will be a final warning

[ocean plinth]

Wut

[fiery solar]

kickstart my heart on every radio during intense moments ingame pls

[teal shard]

Dice said bf3 remake when the time is right

[stiff pollen]

EA games it’s in the game

[pearl bobcat]

ima just play portal

[ocean plinth]

Ye

[placid echo]

Challenge Everything

[fiery solar]

bf3 remake in portal

[pearl bobcat]

nothing elese in bf2042

[cinder stone]

actually better than Bf2042

[arctic grove]

what makes you think 3 is better than 2042

[pearl bobcat]

wait

[modern flax]

it's literally what happens

[pearl bobcat]

isnt bf3's birthday on the 25th?

[placid echo]

I am happy that they did bring back radios to the game

[fiery solar]

because "2042 iSnT mY bAttlEFieLD"

[regal ravine]

the radio had a couple of good songs in the time I played

[placid echo]

Nothing more satisfying than running over people while drum and bass plays on the in-game radio

[bronze junco]

3 had a soul, which 2042 lacks

[light smelt]

specialists is a bad idea, this aint call of shit field

[fiery solar]

dumbass specialists yelling for 20 minutes when your vehicle is 3 feet above ground for 0.57 seconds

[arctic grove]

these guys have a lot to say and think they know about an unreleased game

[cinder stone]

beta was dodo. Yeah it was a beta , but why show something so bad as your sales pitch ? The game just died for me with the beta and those shitty specialists.

[arctic grove]

game isn’t even released yet bro?

[bronze junco]

ive seen enough bro

[arctic grove]

you haven’t seen anything

Ji-Soo needs a buff

[cinder stone]

You can see a games soul in the trailer @arctic grove

[fiery solar]

yeah but some youtube click baiter says the game is gonna fail its gonna fail

[placid echo]

I don't think you can base an opinion of a whole game around 10% of it

[regal ravine]

what's sad is that classic BF classes were way more specialized than 2042 "specialists"

[light smelt]

agreed lol

[fiery solar]

Ji-Soo weakest specialist

[light smelt]

JiSoo too weak buff her

[arctic grove]

she needs unlimited wall hacks

[placid echo]

Swole Ji-Soo Paik

[carmine mulch]

2042 beta was the most fun I’ve had gaming in a while

[fiery solar]

ok

[placid echo]

ye

[cinder stone]

then you have pretty shitty games on your pc

[hearty kiln]

Will I need confirmation of vaccinated status to play 2042?

[arctic grove]

i hope performance is better on release. beta performance was rough on my 2060. had to play on medium and even then considered low

[grizzled jungle]

i got 12 fps on low settings

[fiery solar]

performance didnt change for me on my 2070 low and ultra

[arctic grove]

it was very fun

[light smelt]

yep ofc its 2021

[somber hinge]

Honestly ji-soo needs a buff should be global wallhack thats always on no cooldown, And she gets a sniper that shoots through the entire map

[carmine mulch]

It should be, especially for higher end rigs, though we won’t know for sure until launch

[hearty kiln]

Okay where do I verify my vaccine card before early access

[bronze junco]

i still pre-ordered, i had fun with the beta. but it's missing something

[strange bobcat]

When Ji-Soo Paik activates her wallhack, everybody else should be able to see her too

[regal ravine]

that's a good idea

[bronze junco]

plus the main theme is awful. goddamn

[placid echo]

The grappling hook was a fun thing to flank with
https://streamable.com/gjch0i

[visual oasis]

Yall think 2042 will be goty?

[grizzled jungle]

no

[arctic grove]

no

[cinder stone]

wasnt for me, legit hated every aspect about it. Thats why I play BF4 after the beta to cleanse my mind.

[hearty kiln]

Best shooter maybe

[arctic grove]

i love battlefield and I’m looking forward to 2042 but no, it’s always an rpg or story game

[somber goblet]

no, but a good game

[hearty kiln]

Unless halo ends up being good

[visual oasis]

Yeah

[glossy storm]

I think, the wall-hack should be a pulse lasting for a second, and players should only get a warning ping that there's an enemy Paik nearby.

[fiery solar]

pause pause

[stiff pollen]

Battlefield 2042 beta ruined my marriage

[visual oasis]

I mean halos is alright

[dense torrent]

if portal delivers, maybe, tho I see something like metroid winning or something else but maybe lol

[fiery solar]

im sorry to hear that

[bronze junco]

what disappointed me the most so far in 2042 is the main theme. so trash ._.

[cinder stone]

Maintheme of BF2042 is so bad

[glossy storm]

I used to think the main theme was badly mixed. Took me like 5 listens to start liking it.

[dense torrent]

they shoudlve included the iconic DUuuuuuuDuuDUuuDUuuDuuu like in BF3/BF4

[regal ravine]

the whale mating sounds completely ruins the 2042 theme

[visual oasis]

Bruh, howd'd they mess up the menu music, that's like one of my favorite parts of bf

[cinder stone]

yeah and made it futuristic

[light smelt]

indian dudes hacking needs to be buffed

[fiery solar]

where is the menu music

[arctic grove]

menu music was a little weird to be honest

[cinder stone]

😂

[fiery solar]

i could hear my blood flowing in the main menu in beta

[arctic grove]

sounded like a bunch of pans

[visual oasis]

Bf4 1 5 all had good music

[glossy storm]

Still prefer BF1/4/5 themes over it. Probably even 3.

[bronze junco]

who even approved of the new theme, fire them asap

[visual oasis]

That's a classic

[glossy storm]

It's gonna work better in-game, I guess.

[fiery solar]

best dun dun dun dun goes to bf1/5, bf3, or bf4

[arctic grove]

bf1 takes throne for music in a battlefield game, they really got wiz khalifa on there and it was amazing

[cinder stone]

also why was the trailer like 5 hours long. Every other trailer was short and catchy.

[hearty kiln]

I didnt mind the intro, the screech part is annoying though. It's not a matter of taste, it's just nails on chalkboard tier annoying

[fiery solar]

ooohhh

[dense torrent]

Portal theme should be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XA0zlD8fOI&t=157s

[regal ravine]

the screech parts made my ear bleed

[smoky hatch]

The riot shields better get changed

[tacit river]

I like bf 2042 music

[copper fulcrum]

KICKSTART MY HEART

[tacit river]

It's techno

[cinder stone]

little bit better mashed but yeah

[fiery solar]

orbital theme every 20 seconds pans slamming into eachother

[glossy storm]

Orbital theme is decent, though. Gave a bit of a serious vibe.

[regal ravine]

Orbital theme was so annoying

[fiery solar]

whats intel wars thing

[cinder stone]

I am not even mad with Dice anymore I am just sad and disappointed

[copper fulcrum]

BF Players when they see a wingsuit:
BF Players when they see it's tied to a certain person:

[fiery solar]

why cant my medic fly damnit

[dark sandal]

i love operations when my team is incompetent as fuck

i just fucking love it

[fiery solar]

i always have fun in operations

[hearty kiln]

Universal wingsuits would have been awesome

[cinder stone]

cant wait to save 60 bucks

[copper fulcrum]

I love it when a breakthrough/operations match is in the first sector for 2 hours

[fiery solar]

only in battlefield

[copper fulcrum]

and then that game mode gets the highest praise

[hearty kiln]

Is rush going to be there on launch?

[regal ravine]

still better than conquest

[copper fulcrum]

Probably portal

[regal ravine]

conquest is only tolerable with vehicles

[copper fulcrum]

Just remember that the Portal showcase had a Rush match in it

[hearty kiln]

Will be very sad if they dont include rush in base game

[copper fulcrum]

The Quality vs Quantity match was a Rush variant

[cinder stone]

And now to relax, a really great sound track of a not so great game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMccw_v09KU

[carmine mulch]

Rush won’t be in the game on launch iirc, though it’s a planned addition

[bronze thorn]

Aww ( Sorry for ping Doob ).

[copper fulcrum]

All you need is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0-IPe7rP1E

[glad ether]

Based, and I don’t care about the wingsuit, specialists are just…

[regal ravine]

I need some good Rush gameplay again after BF4 completely botched the mode

[hearty kiln]

As long as ita added eventually that's fine

[tacit river]

Then there would be no point in a parachute

[arctic grove]

I'm so fucking happy they actually added this

[cinder stone]

I dont like the ones from the update :/

[bronze thorn]

omg YES!

[copper fulcrum]

Good thing to have, yes.

[tacit river]

Yes

[dark sandal]

im fucking done

[tacit river]

Lul

[fiery solar]

definitely a copy of warzone the game is ruined

[dark sandal]

shitty ass visibility, constant incompetent fucking potato eating teammates

[tacit river]

Lul toxic players be like

[cinder stone]

Dice be like: We will add it later trust

[copper fulcrum]

BF Fans when DICE adds something reliable and helpful to the game:

[bronze thorn]

HEY! Don't dis potatoes. They're really nice!

[dark sandal]

extremely confusing footsteps on an obj so much that i dont know if its teammates or enemies

[copper fulcrum]

Potatoes are very healthy

[dark sandal]

srsly why are teammate footsteps SO FUCKING LOUD in bfv

[cinder stone]

so specialists are reliable and helpful?

[copper fulcrum]

Some of the stuff they can do, yes.

[rocky jewel]

That’s the fun of the all out war

[fiery solar]

why do enemy footsteps need to be loud. if you see them dont and dont see a name bar or little blue dot just shoot them

[bronze thorn]

I wasn't aware that in war teammates footsteps were a lot quieter than enemies.

[rocky jewel]

Wait, imagine an everyone vs everyone with 128 people

[regal ravine]

can't wait to find the 2 people using the loadout guy specialist in my matches

[dark sandal]

all this does is fucking confuse me

[cinder stone]

so they are superior to the old class system

[clever iris]

Hello awesome lads. How are ya

[copper fulcrum]

Wingsuit and Grappling Hook are great for Assault Flanks
You got the healing pistol, giving armor and dropping loadout crates
You also got putting down cover and putting down the APS, not to mention the turret guns
Then you also got the gadgets and shit for spotting and EMP shit

[fiery solar]

but its not supposed to be realistic

[dense torrent]

yes and no: yes cuz like some specialists are actually well meaningful to teamwork and can be actually fun, other specialists (ahem wallhack girl) is going to be absolute unbalance metas at launch

it also leads to more sandbox posibilities in battlefield

ngl I still prefer classes tho

[marble orchid]

Each season will have:

• 1 Specialist
• 2 New Maps
• 2 Portal Maps
• Hazard Zone Update (Story-driven)
• 6-8 New Weapons (for each mode)
• 2-3 New Vehicles (for each mode)
• 100 Season Tiers

[rocky jewel]

@fiery solar i am alergic to peanuts

[fiery solar]

when they add 64 specialists in the future so everyone can only pick 1 on both teams

[copper fulcrum]

Battlefield has always had a great sandbox to play and have fun in and 2042's sandbox is quite strong

[marble orchid]

I think hazard zone is a pretty good replacement for a story mode

[fiery solar]

what

[tacit river]

Battleship

[arctic grove]

What is season tiers

[copper fulcrum]

Considering the fact that the beginning and end of matches have story tied to them, not exactly.

[glad ether]

@cinder stone Don’t forget there’s gonna be HC with specialists, no faction uniforms. Cant’t wait for the portal servers to be like “BF3/ERA”!

[cinder stone]

Yeah but couldnt this be solved better with a class system and gadgets unique to a certain class

[fiery solar]

its ok man im feeling good today

[cinder stone]

True only this good about this game that old games are brought up to modern standard

[rocky jewel]

Thanks you

[copper fulcrum]

The announcer will tell you the story about the match
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQeSHkWGdM

[marble orchid]

There's more replayability to it than the other story modes

[glad ether]

Yeah, no one asked for specialists, the trailer of the reveal was depressing and hard to watch, I’d like specialists in hazard zone

[cinder stone]

Also why didnt we get a fucking story line

[livid eagle]

Bro sundance is so cool i hope she stays balanced at launch

[copper fulcrum]

Don't really need one

[cinder stone]

Stfu

[fiery solar]

i like bf4 and 1 campaign

[copper fulcrum]

No, we don't need a story line

[glad ether]

The no pats lore is an excuse for no factions, but there’s better single player experiences out there, it’s ok though

[marble orchid]

That's conquest

[fiery solar]

not really 4 actually some parts

[glossy storm]

BF has never been great with campaigns.

[ionic coyote]

i hope mods and everyone else here are having an amazing ass kicking weekend

[glossy storm]

Except for a few.

[cinder stone]

stfu

[dense torrent]

if specialist were in hazard zone while the 2 modes had classes, I think this game would be acclaimed so much better

[glad ether]

In bf1 they did pretty good imo, just you know

[marble orchid]

the campaigns are either good or bad, there is no in-between

[fiery solar]

no

[dense torrent]

I thought bf3 story was good

[cinder stone]

true

[arctic grove]

im working both days, thanks for reminding me

[glad ether]

Just think of this, 64v64 with heroes👀 awful

[livid eagle]

I do not like the lore behind no pats

“Yeah so a tornado happened, 1.2 billion people suddenly can’t immigrate anywhere”

“Yeah the military is fighting alongside civilians”

[fiery solar]

is there a problem

[glossy storm]

I said, 'except for a few' which obviously includes 1.

[glad ether]

Yeah

[marble orchid]

Are people forgetting they can still play the game like battlefield, just with people who specialize in specific role

[livid eagle]

There is a problem with that, no realistic reason why 200+ countries cant sustain 1.2 billion people 😭

[cinder stone]

sounds like the story line of the last few starwars movies

[glad ether]

No, not really

[dense torrent]

Portal gonna be so populated lmao, to the point that dice might actually reconsider just having the specialists in the hazard zone so all out warfare could be populated

[livid eagle]

And they sucked what can I say

[copper fulcrum]

The good thing about Specialists is that we got people from all around the world and not just four different factions like previous games

[fiery solar]

wait theres 1.2B people on earth now? whats going in the story

[cinder stone]

yep

[copper fulcrum]

We got an Indian soldier, yay

[arctic grove]

i wish theyd do that tbh

[glossy storm]

Overall though, they don't consistently bring great campaigns.

[livid eagle]

Erm, just have 6-8 factions then? It’s really simple to be diverse with classes

[glad ether]

We shouldn’t be playing only portal(that’s unless hazard zone is good) I spent 101$ for standard because I’m in Canada

[fiery solar]

did big storm wipe away 6 billion people?

[cinder stone]

bruh

[rocky jewel]

Instead of removing specialist, just limit the gadgets to classes (only mckay has rockets, only falk has healing crates, etc)

[copper fulcrum]

Doesn't fit the lore of the game.

[livid eagle]

The lore of the game is bad, that’s what I’m saying, it’s literally a fantasy scenario compared to other games

[tacit river]

Then play all out warfare

[glad ether]

And watch dice make some paywall stuff in portal, they’ve been silent on it

[fiery solar]

its not supposed to be real wahhh

[cinder stone]

equality over equity moment

[glad ether]

Heck no, all out war is not being touched until they fix it

[glossy storm]

It's set in the future, what were you expecting?

[tacit river]

Fix what

[arctic grove]

Games Arnt real whar???

[marble orchid]

How many people here killed other people because of their faction and not because they didn't have a friendly dot above their head.

[glad ether]

The lore no pats is an excuse for no factions. Really?

[tacit river]

Yes

[livid eagle]

The future, and the future doesn’t mean 1.2 billion homeless after a disaster

[copper fulcrum]

There are factions, Russian and American, they enlist No-Pats who come from all around the world

[fiery solar]

wolfenstein isnt historically accurate??

[arctic grove]

I’m not blind like others

[glad ether]

AOW, put specialists garbage in hazard

[tacit river]

Dude

[glossy storm]

My point is creativity.

[livid eagle]

Why would America/Russia enlist people who don’t even consider themselves citizens lol

[cinder stone]

f'ing awesome story cant wait to care even less

[tacit river]

Specialists are fine, they are balanced

[fiery solar]

yeah like the one dat fly

[rocky jewel]

The future might not mean that, but a damn big cataclysm could mean it

[dense torrent]

halo, doom, and half life took place in the future. The biggest reason why one should go for a future setting because it allows one to expand and introduce new ideas that what is available at present

[copper fulcrum]

Considering the state of the world, they would.

[tacit river]

For money

[arctic grove]

Not sure we gotta see on launch

[still vault]

I have no idea if specialists are balanced. But I can't wait to play and find out.

[glad ether]

Did you watch the specialists reveal trailer? They’re gonna have to start balancing

[marble orchid]

a few don't look balanced

[tacit river]

I only see 2 specialists who are imba

[copper fulcrum]

I can't wait to crash into you with my Wingsuit and we both die in the impact

[livid eagle]

True, but with half life and doom there was a invasion from demons/alien species not “big hurricane” lol

[fiery solar]

i would like to see this in the middle of a match

[marble orchid]

Only for about two or three of them

[grizzled jungle]

"specialists are balanced" Hasn't played the full game yet

[tacit river]

Espanoza and that Korean women

[rocky jewel]

(coughs) wallhack

[fiery solar]

5 second wallhack pls

[copper fulcrum]

"Wallhack" is only for a few feet ahead of you and doesn't spot for your team, it's pretty weak

[glad ether]

Yeah, but they aren’t liked by the community, DICE has been silent man):

[arctic grove]

Trailer doesn’t even give us their ability times or cool downs

[rugged forge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wow-surprise-shock-fear-gif-17912457

[tacit river]

I just mentioned that

[rocky jewel]

Espinoza can be fixed by just not shooting at it

[arctic grove]

Trailer just shows u the best of them not the worst of them we gotta see

[glad ether]

Actually no, because everyone will main ji soo and will go awful

[copper fulcrum]

Also it only lasts for a few seconds, it's going to be weak as all hell. The other choices are also grappling hook, self healing, shield, wingsuit, etc.

[glossy storm]

I'm looking forward to the full game.

[rocky jewel]

The one garbage is the doraemon’s googles

[graceful mesa]

When dice are going to add zombie mode?

[copper fulcrum]

Definitely going to be a portal thing lol

[glad ether]

Don’t even get me starts on the shield that reflects bullets

[glossy storm]

Just to see how the specialists really work.

[rocky jewel]

Never.

[still vault]

human bowling, sounds fun

[livid eagle]

How about we wait until launch before making concrete judgements of the game 🙂

[marble orchid]

The like to dislike ratio on the official trailer has a good portion size to say that most people don't care

[arctic grove]

Facts

[glad ether]

They’re in portal, the coderoid dev guy told me, he’s nice

[arctic grove]

You guys can cry till launch 🚀

[bronze junco]

N

[livid eagle]

Zombies in portal? Huh

[copper fulcrum]

Imagine the sounds of bones breaking upon colliding at 90mph

[dense torrent]

gotta point there. we should wait until launch. who knows, maybe portal could save the game? maybe the specialists arent that bad at all, maybe hazard zone could actually be good

[still vault]

You seem to have thought about this a bit too much

[glad ether]

Reveal trailer? Yeah that’s because people didn’t think they were specialists until they found out, I thought they were campaign characters, I mainly saw the soldiers running around and it looked dope

[copper fulcrum]

I can't wait to ride the Tornado with a wingsuit, stick a jet with C5, blow it up and teabag aggressively

[tacit river]

Omg the game is fine it don't need saved

[glad ether]

There is

[tacit river]

Just a bunch of boomers

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, just make the other team bots with no weapons. They'll run at you with fists

[glad ether]

Dude

There’s zombies in portal

[livid eagle]

EA said they are going to do content drops for portal, I hope this means most DICE content gets in there, which is going to make the games lifespan a lot longer

if the portal logic editor is comprehensive, that’s a requirement

[marble orchid]

No, it was the reveal trailer for the other 5 specialists. There are 43k likes to 16k dislikes

[arctic grove]

Zombies in vanguard can’t wait best game

[copper fulcrum]

CoD exists? I forgo 💀

[glossy storm]

Some people are claiming YouTube is deleting dislikes...

I don't think that's true.

[tacit river]

Yeah I agree it's just a vocal minority

[dense torrent]

yea the game in general looks fine. As a battlefield game tho, I think that portal is essentially "BF's last shot" sort of to the long lasting BF community, considering specialists, the balancing, and stuff like that

[copper fulcrum]

Of course they are because the moment people see that something they don't like is doing positive, they'll always claim that

[glad ether]

Yeah, hazard zone didn’t have that many dislikes, and I bet you a lot of people hate the specialists but are still liking the trailer because it’s bf2042, I did the same with the beta trailer, and I hated the specialists and still do

[timid cosmos]

the real test is on release once we find ways to cheese the specialists

[arctic grove]

Even if it’s true that’s good , we don’t want dice to get negative impact just bc of dislikes

[dense torrent]

Whoever made the pitch about portal deserves a billion bucks

[copper fulcrum]

They probably already have a billion bucks lol

[tacit river]

Specialists are fine, they are just classes

[timid cosmos]

game devs usually are not good at anticipating synergies

[livid eagle]

Ground warfare or whatever: C-suites demanding money

Portal: DICE actually caring

my take ^

[tacit river]

Except there are 10 of them

[copper fulcrum]

89

[marble orchid]

"People hate specialists but still like the trailer" so they don't care?

[glad ether]

“Loosely” yeah they’re labeled as classes to make us feel better

[rocky jewel]

-20

[arctic grove]

If dice didn’t care it wouldn’t have given us 7 new maps in portal on release so go play portal and stop crying

[tacit river]

No you are over thinking them, it is 8 classes

[copper fulcrum]

Hazard zone seems like fun

[livid eagle]

Can’t wait for 100 of the same jin-woo specialist because esp

[glad ether]

No, because it’s bf2042 related, a lot of people are saying they’re sticking to portal, and a lot of the comments were bashing them

[copper fulcrum]

It's only pissing distance anyways

[glad ether]

8 classes?

[livid eagle]

Doesn’t matter when everyone has it

[copper fulcrum]

10

[tacit river]

Vocal minority

[tacit river]

10

[rustic heron]

I just hate how every specialist can have every gun do any of u feel this way?

[glad ether]

People liking the specialists are a vocal minority, that’s the majority of community who hates them

[dense torrent]

BF2042 Water Tank literary leaking and Dice LA developing portal is the flex tape that will fix it

[copper fulcrum]

Keep in mind most people who enjoy the game don't really talk about the game on discord, youtube, reddit or twitter

[arctic grove]

She’s only good in close range anyway so she trash

[marble orchid]

It's a trailer specifically for specialists with no mention of portal. More people would dislike it because of that. You're just trying to get around the fact that most people don't care

[haughty dagger]

What good is wallhacks going to do against vehicles?

[livid eagle]

They should pull a R6 (god forbid I mention that here) and limit specialists so only one person per squad can have it, makes the other specialists actually worthwhile 😄

[copper fulcrum]

I CAN SEE THE TANK 10 INCHES FROM ME GUYS

[tacit river]

Obviously displayed by the 3-1 ratio of like to dislike on the official video and the hateful comments

[arctic grove]

portal is bf saving grace

[glad ether]

“Once everyone is special, no one is special”-some guy on the reveal trailer, and had a lot of looked

[dense torrent]

if they stayed with classes, it wouldve been a good message because it will show how Battlefield is not going to be like Cod or Apex with the heroes/operators and how they can stay within their identity

[tacit river]

Vocal minority

[timid cosmos]

more than all but one specialist abilities

[copper fulcrum]

Sundance is easily the hottest specialist.

[dense torrent]

true

[marble orchid]

nah, the korean one

[tame cobalt]

cringe

[glad ether]

Lol, keep saying that to yourself, Reddit and YouTube are a lot more than this server, that is a mojito, and how do you most don’t care? When a lot of the members here don’t talk

[marble orchid]

they should add shrek though

[glad ether]

It’s not, it’s a beautiful statement

[haughty dagger]

Also do people not even play with sound? like Ji-Soo makes a call out when she uses her ability and it pulses every 2 seconds.

[livid eagle]

How much rule 34 has already come out for the specialists

[tacit river]

All specialists are fine expect 2

[arctic grove]

specialist suck

[tacit river]

🙄

[haughty dagger]

What 2?

[midnight token]

Atleast class lock the specoalists if they really want them

[marble orchid]

Youtube is much more representative than reddit ever will be. For one, it has a larger sample size and most people don't spend their days browsing reddit. It's only the people who are in those communities that have any real issue

[rocky jewel]

Espinoza and the korean one

[tacit river]

Ji soo and espinoza

[copper fulcrum]

Okay, so it lasts 10 seconds and pulses every 2 seconds, so it pulses 5 times and only shows people about 10m in front of her. How the fuck is that broken? It sounds like it won't even be fun to mess around with lmao

[midnight token]

How hard is it to have class locked specialists and weapons?

[glossy storm]

I was playing some BF4 yesterday, and I realised something. I don't look at the players' costume, I only look for the blue or green arrow on top. Also, the reason why I keep spamming Q. Probably the reason why I had almost no confusion while shooting enemies in 2042.

[livid eagle]

sundance kinda cool her wingsuit is nice, that and the grappling hook is my favorite

[hardy kestrel]

https://answers.ea.com/t5/General-Discussion/Sorry-but-what-the-hell-are-you-doing-DICE/m-p/10885975/highlight/true#M25841

[marble orchid]

Imagine using reddit and this sub as valid proof most people hate specialists when most casuals won't be on either

[copper fulcrum]

Their :v

[haughty dagger]

Locking weapons is dumb as fuck imo. people won't even use class abilities and just pick for the weapon just like BF4 is.

[inland estuary]

how many times are you going to say that?

[copper fulcrum]

YES, EXACTLY THAT

[haughty dagger]

Is Espi the shield guy?

[arctic grove]

80% of the playerbase will be playing on portal with them disabled in their gamemodes, bet

[midnight token]

I said CLASS locked....not weapon locked

[copper fulcrum]

So many fucking people only pick classes for just the primary weapon

[timid cosmos]

even if u hear her call it could just be your own teams paik clone

[craggy marten]

Exactly

[glad ether]

Because everyone is using it. It’s gonna be meta

[timid cosmos]

in past games when u heard someone speakin russian/american u knew what side they were

[copper fulcrum]

Paik is only good at very close quarters and with a shotgun

[haughty dagger]

Espi isn't even OP lol

[livid eagle]

These are fictional characters, their identity is who I decide them to be 🤷‍♂️
I consider lore suggestions

[tacit river]

I will take that bet boomer

[craggy marten]

And it's even worse in a game like Battlefront 2, where there's like 5 weapons per class, and it sucks.

[midnight token]

doesnt matter if you pick a class for the weapon, its designed that way....you WILL end up using your gadget to help the team even if ypu pick it just for the gun

[haughty dagger]

we don't even know if his shield will reflect AP rounds, can just nade/rocket him, also just shoot his legs the fuck?

[glad ether]

Exactly, I want Russians speaking Russian, the ai soldiers look better than the actual specialists lol

The no pat lore is dumb, excuses after excuses, how will we play no hud?, or HC, oh my dice

[copper fulcrum]

A lot of medics in previous games don't revive and only use the primary weapon, same thing with support and not dropping ammo.

The only real time where you see everyone actually playing their class is when the server has a lot of sweats in it

[grizzled jungle]

why are you calling people boomers??? for there opinion on a game?

[midnight token]

Thats bullshit and you know it

[arctic grove]

drop a smoke and revive

[glad ether]

Boomer is a dead meme

[dense torrent]

Im pretty sure once they start to notice that portal will have more players, I can predict that Dice will somewhat change or alter specialists in some way to boost the main mode up

[copper fulcrum]

Boomer from Left 4 Dead

[arctic grove]

I agre

[glad ether]

Hopefully

[tacit river]

No because they don't like change and would rather stay in the 90s

[midnight token]

You mfs dont get revived once and cry that medics dont rez

[glad ether]

That reference though😏

[copper fulcrum]

Y'all are describing Portal as a side mode when it's advertised as one of the three main modes

[arctic grove]

not all change is good

[livid eagle]

Guys, I am going to be recreating BF4 or something like it with BF3 models & 2042 weapons, if you don’t like specialists then consider playing my portal maps 😄

[copper fulcrum]

no

[haughty dagger]

I highly doubt 80% is a accurate number for that. I think you are over estimating how much people dislike specialist vs people that do/don't care

[sweet trench]

Prove me wrong. Theres no point in No-pats and countries WHEN EVERYONE IS THE SAME CHARACTER MODEL ON BOTH SIDES.

[tacit river]

Yes but no change is bad, which is what you people want

[glad ether]

No, I think just classes. Dice will do some pay to win stuff in battlefront 2

[livid eagle]

How about we wait till launch to see factual statistics

[dense torrent]

oh wrong phrase, I meant ABORT specialists as a whole and DO CLASSES

[slow rover]

why do people hate ji soo so much apex has basically the same character

[copper fulcrum]

no

[copper fulcrum]

Except Apex's character's ability is far stronger

[timid cosmos]

is this apex?

[livid eagle]

Even if Ji-soos aimbot distance is shorter than my weiner, it’s still gonna be annoying af inside of buildings & when HALF THE TEAM is her, my take

[haughty dagger]

I don't think we will see accurate numbers for it but im ok with waiting. I just don't think its going to be that high on launch period

[analog kettle]

they aint gonna straight up remove shit they've been working hard on

[timid cosmos]

apex being a BR

[arctic grove]

They acting like they can’t shoot her if she wallhacks lol

[copper fulcrum]

Classes are boring

[livid eagle]

I dunno man youd be surprised

[dense torrent]

okay how about this: just make everyone spectator so no one will complain

[sweet trench]

They really wasted their time making a whole story about No pats and countries bro. Its just no pat vs no pat character models.

[copper fulcrum]

We're all just gonna watch bots fist fight now

[sweet trench]

Give us our country uniforms back

[arctic grove]

I like the story

[grizzled jungle]

the -5 iq bots

[copper fulcrum]

No! Nuh uh, Battlefield is made by a single person! >:(

[slow rover]

me to

[livid eagle]

the bots are going to be smarter when the servers tick rate isnt 3

[slow rover]

god

[timid cosmos]

no single player campaign = no story

[copper fulcrum]

https://youtu.be/WnQeSHkWGdM?t=33

[arctic grove]

Most people don’t play campaign on bf

[livid eagle]

higher tick rate means bots on the server respond faster, low tick rate means they take like 10 seconds to even find out what the f*ck is going on

[dense torrent]

the story is very good but the execution with the specialists and the idea of having same specialists on the either teams kind of ruined it, not exactly destroyed the vibe but just generally made it worst. the no pats idea wouldve made sense if it was actual classes

[slow rover]

its unlisted 😮

[grizzled jungle]

I still dont like how they have different teams but the characters look the same

[copper fulcrum]

Because it's meant to be linked through the articles

[grizzled jungle]

I know they made UI changes, but other bf games have clear differences in models

[slow rover]

why not just public

[timid cosmos]

makes no sense

[remote kiln]

it's more to do with the fact the bots are still very much in the experimental phase ATM than the tickrate, DICE use a standard rate of 60hz for their servers

[copper fulcrum]

idk, but I really like how they introduce story through All out Warfare.

It is very reminiscent of the very first Battlefield as well as Battlefield 2 and Vietnam and how they gave text before and after the match to tell you the story.

[timid cosmos]

why does a no pat care about russia vs america

[livid eagle]

i doubt sincerely the tick rate was that stable in the beta

[slow rover]

is classes the only thing ppl care about

[livid eagle]

imagine 2142 in portal

mechs vs ww2 germans

[fallen leaf]

bots are intentionally bad so players think they are good

[remote kiln]

it was, the bots themselves werent developed by DICE rather they're using a technology that came from an experimental division within EA, which is why it's still in a relative infancy stage

they haven't been deployed at scale like this before, so it'll take time for them to develop

[dense torrent]

the bots actually learned how to teabag lmao

[copper fulcrum]

Also I believe by default that bots are on an easier difficulty

[grizzled jungle]

i remember seeing a clip of a bot driving a ATV into a wall for about 5 minutes

[livid eagle]

this isn’t experimental technology, you can find more complex AI in sandbox shooters like Arma that range in the hundreds

[grizzled jungle]

smooth brain bots

[livid eagle]

maybe for DICE it is but what I’m talking about was 4 years ago

EA said in their answers hub bots were intended to be for practice not replace players

[remote kiln]

there's a difference between that, and type that DICE are using, they are using neural training for these specifically, there is a very little hardcoded information contained with the bots

[livid eagle]

Machine learning for bots? Can you link me something explaining this? I didn’t know they were doing this

[topaz hazel]

Maybe battlefield 2042 isn’t going to be tgat bad after all

[fallen leaf]

this thing isn't totally confirmed and i think that they were just lazy and used the same AI of Titanfall 2's brutes and that's it

[slow rover]

bots are skynet

[remote kiln]

it was discussed by the division which created them before within EA, I'll see if I can find it later on

[remote kiln]

then you're wrong lol

[livid eagle]

So there’s nothing saying they did this for 2042? I can’t really trust that then

[dense torrent]

lol cant wait til bots start rendezooking xD

[livid eagle]

Making the technology =/= deploying it in their next game

[remote kiln]

it is an enhanced design from the ones that were used in bf v for 2042

[fallen leaf]

dude you are talking about neural advanced machine learning in a videogame wtf 💀

[remote kiln]

yeah? it's used all the time lol?

[livid eagle]

BFV has machine learning bots? I haven’t heard anything about this

[fallen leaf]

no lmao

[remote kiln]

they did, they were used in the challenges things

[livid eagle]

It’s not used all the time in fact its rarely used, most bots use finite state automata and loops

[fallen leaf]

The AI used in battlefield 1 and V it's the same (EA SAIS)

[remote kiln]

https://youtu.be/s1JOSbUR6KE

[copper fulcrum]

Apparently Boris could've killed Irish lore-wise but spared him instead. It was a revive line present in the beta

[valid merlin]

Machine learning is only really used currently to pre train traffic and other AI bots. The trained data is used, but the active learning part isn’t on

[remote kiln]

neural training is used all the time lol what even are you talking about? they make perfect sense for bots

[fallen leaf]

[somebody that i used to know plays in the background]

[livid eagle]

This doesn’t mean they are deploying them, this is just an experiment! They have these in other games but the resources it takes to simulate just one of them is massive

[copper fulcrum]

or Irish just doesn't trust Boris

[fallen leaf]

neural learning it's different from classic machine learning

[valid merlin]

That’s my point, the active neruro net isn’t being used, but a trained data set might be

[livid eagle]

Neural training for AI in games it not used all the time I know this as a fact lol. Most games use FSM and event based programming

[fallen leaf]

EA ASIS gets sometimes updated and "improved" that's it

[livid eagle]

I would LOVE to be wrong about this

[fallen leaf]

dude neural trading it's like fucking super advanced system used in modern experiments like lol

[remote kiln]

this was 2 years ago, they were already deployed

[valid merlin]

No?

[fallen leaf]

yes?

[remote kiln]

I'm talking about the practice specifically, not exclusively within games

[livid eagle]

Show me where they said its already deployed 😭
My man I work on AI (not machine learning) I can tell you as a fact that video games aren’t using deep learning as a standard

[valid merlin]

No, neural training is not super advanced. It’s super resource intensive, because when training, you are simulating basic neurons. However once the training is complete, you gernate what is called a “model” this is basically an instruction set of all its training. This allows the training to be used in real world applications with minimal performance degeneration

[hardy kestrel]

Rumor: After 100 hours of gameplay you can opt to have a bot made from your gameplay history that will then play when you are offline. Any progress it makes will carry over to you.

[fallen leaf]

mf what

[craggy marten]

Currently seeing the specialists trailer again, and I keep seeing people coming up with a shit ton of excuses just to not get BF2042 like "EA POLITICAL BLAH BLAH BLAH" like bro, just say you don't like the specialists instead of bringing up semi irrelevant shit, you know.

[copper fulcrum]

What is this, Killer Instinct?

[remote kiln]

it's restricted so sharing is disabled

[dense torrent]

WHAT

[warm plaza]

that sounds dumb as hell

[remote kiln]

they were made by SEED, it's been going on for a while

[livid eagle]

this isn’t a industry standard its an experiment

[remote kiln]

it is within DICE now lol

[restive trail]

it doesnt HAVE to be an industry standard

[tame cobalt]

good bots when?

[livid eagle]

i have seen this video before, just because DICE made it doesn’t mean they are using it for all their AI now haha

[restive trail]

what's so wrong with letting DICE do what they want

[fallen leaf]

it's an experiment put on a game for a practical reference it's just SAIS lmao

[remote kiln]

DICE did not make it, that's the point, it was a collaboration between SEED and DICE to implement them within the game so that the bots could actually have decent logic to work with

which is why bots are in the game now

[fallen leaf]

lol no

[copper fulcrum]

default dance

[fallen leaf]

what

[remote kiln]

no? have you even read even read any DICE development briefings?

they were pretty clear the technology was going to be expanded years ago this isn't new information

[fallen leaf]

oh so they said that it will be 100% implemented in a product not made as an experiment but as a selling product?

[quasi acorn]

Kyle difficulty?

[copper fulcrum]

Fuck Kyle, all my homies hate Kyle

[valid merlin]

Why is this such a heated topic lmao

[copper fulcrum]

Because it's on discord and it has to be a heated topic

[fallen leaf]

oh yea let's just put a totally useless AI system in a game were we need to make money with that's totally worth the risk

[quasi acorn]

Especially s1 characters man they threw hands

[tender folio]

it's time to go ape, people!

[copper fulcrum]

mfs on this be debating on who is the thickest specialist

[hardy kestrel]

Rumor: You will be able to change your gender identification with Angel's Loadout Crate

[fallen leaf]

bonobe

[remote kiln]

Our short-term objective with this project has been to help the DICE team scale up its quality assurance and testing, which would help the studio to collect more crash reports and find more bugs.

In future titles, as deep learning technology matures, I expect self learning agents to be part of the games themselves, as truly intelligent NPCs that can master a range of tasks, and that adapt and evolve over time as they accumulate experience from engaging with human players. - 2018

[grizzled jungle]

well they already added specialists so why not lmao

[remote kiln]

yeah, they literally did

almost as if people have never heard of SEED

[tacit river]

Tbh ai could be better

[copper fulcrum]

Apparently SEED also helped to find bugs and glitches

[fallen leaf]

you are talking about 2018 topics

[tacit river]

Add aphastar ai

[valid merlin]

That moment when an 2042 AI player becomes sentient and realizes it’s in a game

[remote kiln]

did you not read the part where it literally says future titles?

[grizzled jungle]

lmao

[copper fulcrum]

"Oh fuck, how do I escape this nightmare!?"

Not only is there a tornado approaching but I am not even real!

[fallen leaf]

dude it was literally a second before of all the BFV shitstorm

[valid merlin]

It would just become god tier. It would value its life above everything lmao

[tacit river]

https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&client=ms-android-samsung-rvo1&source=android-browser&q=alphastar

[remote kiln]

no it wasn't this project has been in development for years

[tacit river]

New battlefield ai

[remote kiln]

why are you literally denying reality

[fallen leaf]

you are talking about something that they will like to do before the complete failure of their new product

[remote kiln]

oh right yeah sorry, something they already did to create the logic

[tacit river]

Have you seen the alphastar ai

[fallen leaf]

yea AI development it's something you do in couple of years lol

[hardy kestrel]

I actually graduated from there 12 years ago: http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/40600000/BALAMB-GARDEN-SEED-ACADEMY-1999-final-fantasy-viii-40688991-550-550.jpg

[valid merlin]

[arctic grove]

Hello

[brittle forge]

Well if the bots are based on SEED that means they should get better the more games they play, right?

[fallen leaf]

like if they did

[brittle forge]

Or did they scrap the machine learning part of it in favor of dumb bots

[remote kiln]

yes

which is why they suck right now, they haven't been deployed at scale

[hardy kestrel]

no because they will be playing with IRL players - 98% of whom have some sort of cognitive disorder

[valid merlin]

Is the alpha test they were like aimbots to me

I’d spawn and be insta sniped by one

[brittle forge]

In the beta they seemed to be more or less OK except when they were driving vehicles

[grizzled jungle]

once enough games are played, the bots are going to become terminator AI

[brittle forge]

In which case they just like drive them into a wall and get stuck there completely

[grizzled jungle]

they are going to top frag each game

[hardy kestrel]

They will devolve into trying suicide bombings on the MAV

[remote kiln]

and incase someone is still denying 2042 isn't using SEED lol

[grizzled jungle]

Na its not using seed 🤓

[arctic grove]

Like a minecraft seed?

[noble ruin]

The AI needs to be a bit better tbh

[remote kiln]

exactly 2D blocks

[valid merlin]

Until the AI is racking 120 kills in the viper, idc

[fallen leaf]

it's cool to see how sometimes a chad just pops out of nowhere

[brittle forge]

What I’m curious about is whether the machine learning part of seed is going to be used on the 2042 servers or if that was something just unique to the project that they’re going to disable

[remote kiln]

it won't be disabled, the bots have near 0 basic logic to work with, ML is what gives them the ability to function

turn it off and you've got mindless dummies who can barely move nevermind acquire a target

[fallen leaf]

yea still not seeing neural training

ai it's generic

[fallen leaf]

like what they did with atomic earth

[remote kiln]

back to denying reality again

[violet kite]

why does everyone hate specialists?

i think it's good they're trying something new

[arctic grove]

Casper = meta

[violet kite]

you said it

[grizzled jungle]

i dont know how to feel about them yet, full game isnt out

[fallen leaf]

in the whole video and in every image you sent there still isn't any sign of neural learnig so yea

[remote kiln]

When do you think we will see self-learning AI becoming a mainstream technology in games?

I have no doubt in my mind that neural nets will start to gradually make their way into games in the years to come. Self-learning agents aren’t just a good replacement for old-fashioned bots, you can also apply machine learning to a number of fields, such as procedurally generated content, animation, voice generation, speech recognition and more.

please like, at least take the due diligence to actually read about SEED

[tame cobalt]

that adapt and evolve over time as they accumulate experience from engaging with human players.

So there's a chance the 2042 bots will get better over time?

[violet kite]

yupexcept soo-paik, she's too op

[grizzled jungle]

maybe they would be nice. i main medic so hopefully the medic specialists are somewhat decent

[remote kiln]

yes that is what they are designed to do, they learn from experience

[violet kite]

i mean it is exactly the same, but everyone has a skin and purpose

[fallen leaf]

only this

[tender folio]

people complain about visibility in BFV... so yeah, let's give everyone wallhack so they can see people in 2042.

[timid cosmos]

no medics in this still worse than previous

[fallen leaf]

yea maybe neural learning will come does not mean neural learning is here

[timid cosmos]

the only appeal is angel can armor himself and ammo himself

[remote kiln]

people are complaining justifiably about bots in the beta right now because the dataset they have to work is basically nonexistent

[fallen leaf]

i can always change my mind and give my excuses if you prove me wrong

[remote kiln]

as time goes on they progressively improve

[arctic grove]

I am sure that ability will have a super long cooldown, be very limited in range or have some other restriction.

[tame cobalt]

i hope they can evolve to the point where they actually feel like real players... but i have a feeling they won't get that good during 2042's lifetime...

[violet kite]

ye, i think the hacker is the most balanced, he's good IN HIS OWN FIELD, the game is team based so every squad should have different operators to aid each others abilities

[tender folio]

bro, im just joking.

[grizzled jungle]

i dont like how you get stuck in a animation when you revive. And that one medic chick.. I thought before the beta she could revive from long ranges with the stim gun thingo.. But turns out she got her one off of wish trying to buy docs one

[arctic grove]

Ah, some people legit complain about the ability.

[fallen leaf]

why they cannot you old player-data archived in the previous battlefield and other games

[remote kiln]

it'll take time, generally speaking the more popular the game is = the shorter the time required, mass scalability = shorter time to maturity

[tender folio]

yeah, people talk/fight about this like every 1-2 hours in here. lol

[timid cosmos]

no one wants to fight bots no matter how good

[fallen leaf]

machine learning it's enriching informations since like idk

[remote kiln]

because they used 64 players instead of 128

[tender folio]

like to the point where im just gonna grab popcorn and watch some fun

[fallen leaf]

enormous difference i see

[grizzled jungle]

people that are bad at video games and want to play casually too

[remote kiln]

the dataset for those wouldn't work for this type of game, perhaps it can be implemented for last gen consoles

[tame cobalt]

Speak for yourself lmao.

[analog kettle]

would much rather have half empty lobbies than bots tbh

[remote kiln]

but the bots would be functioning akin to zombies due to the sheer scale differences

[analog kettle]

half empty lobbies had fun to them

[fallen leaf]

like if the map sin't too big to actually see a bigger amount of players in a restricted area differently from previous battlefields

[grizzled jungle]

same as watching bots vs bots in tf2 lmao

that would be fun tbh

[arctic grove]

There's always 2 types of gamers the casual and the try hard lol

I try hard in battlefield 🙂

[analog kettle]

i get no sense of joy when i kill a bot im just like oh nvm it was a bot

[slow rover]

am trash atr games why i li9ke bd20421 ao much

[remote kiln]

there's more involved here than just the map size, that's one factor, you've got entire overhauls with the conquest system which fundamentally alter the logic in how bots would go around capturing flags compared to say 4/1/5 etc

[slow rover]

i am eastubf and canmt tyor rb

[remote kiln]

implement the logic from those games and they have a predisposition to go capturing a flag that can't be captured

[arctic grove]

There's self learning bots

[violet kite]

specialists are the same as classes, " But everyone can pick medkit or rpg", well guess what if you chose engineer or medic you got those too, plus another ability, it's not like the game is really weird, it feels the same, medpacks, ammo and rpg's have been toned down drastically, (limited range, supplies and damage), so the real power comes from the specialist you choose, if you choose angel, you get more ammo and weapon choice, if you choose sundance, more grenades....

[analog kettle]

... that doesnt change my point at all

[fallen leaf]

ok give the basic implementation-learning poles an say to them to go to point a to point b

[arctic grove]

Give it 5 years bots will be terminator

[tender folio]

I hope these bots can chat with people.

[fallen leaf]

useless to make them learn from scratch

[analog kettle]

again that's not my point

[timid cosmos]

rpgs are not toned down, they got zero drop and fast velocity

[tame cobalt]

You've never played against good bots

[analog kettle]

overall PVE isnt for me

[grizzled jungle]

If there was a default specialist (some generic soldier) i'd play as them lmao

[remote kiln]

that's easy to say to do with a game that doesn't use sectors, but since they exist that essentially isn't possible

[analog kettle]

no i've definitely had my share of hard bots when i play singleplayer games

[arctic grove]

Kinda joining in with 0 context, but do you not like specialists because of the way they look?

[violet kite]

but you can't one shot transport heli, apache and osprey, only the jet and scout helicopter, so no trickshots

[fallen leaf]

oh yea sector it's such a complex mechanic...

[arctic grove]

What's your point it's better to kill player then player bot?

[tame cobalt]

I didn't say hard bots, i said good bots

[analog kettle]

pretty much yeah

[distant egret]

Game still bad

[analog kettle]

pvp is just more fun to me

[timid cosmos]

well transport heli could survive a rpg in bf4 to

[analog kettle]

than pvpve

[remote kiln]

mhm DICE understandably wanted to address capture sniping though in the process ended up with this, well, problem, doubled edged sword

[tender folio]

how?

[analog kettle]

fair, but it still doesn't change my point. bots are bots

[distant egret]

opinion

[analog kettle]

anyway my opinion doesnt matter

[grizzled jungle]

You could say so. Why would you have different teams (US/RU etc..) when they look exactly alike?

[tender folio]

cool

[arctic grove]

Well you're in luck. Casper is the specialist for you. You can look good while dominating the lobby.

[arctic grove]

What happens if player bot A.I player has self machine learning to play like humans lol

[fallen leaf]

bots, even if they have basic SAIS or some strange shit machine learning they will always be such an hard topic to totally implement in a game, if they have basic intelligence they will just be some dumb amebas or literally aibot machines, if they have ml they will just get better over time with a simple to learn activity pattern that changes systematically, so you will just have to understand what they do every behaviour refresh

[arctic grove]

The specialist system broke my back, refunded my gold edition preorder.
They should've also gone with EU / PAC Factions and not us / rus. Hate playing as either of them.

[spiral viper]

Eu vs what?

[arctic grove]

I don't think something that's virtual can break your back.

[fallen leaf]

maybe he means no pat

[arctic grove]

Pan asian coalition, PAC from 2142

[analog kettle]

dude my point is that i'd personally prefer to have half empty lobbies than half bots because bots arent fun to play against

imo

[fallen leaf]

they can't

[lone wren]

Everything

[analog kettle]

@tame cobalt ever get bored of reacting to opinions that dont match yours?

[fallen leaf]

we aren't in a Iisac Asimov book dude

[arctic grove]

There were cheats hitting the market that were like that.

[analog kettle]

thats a shame

[spiral viper]

I agree that bots are bad but I wouldnt want to play in a half empty lobby, would be even more boring than killing bots lol

[fallen leaf]

you are talking about visual individuator imputs?

[analog kettle]

i see why you'd think that, but i disagree

[fallen leaf]

yea classic shit just add a votekick system lmao

[tame cobalt]

bot haters don't have the imagination to see their potential

[analog kettle]

nah there's a lot of salt in chat i think a votekick would be toxic

[spiral viper]

At least the bots shouldnt be a problem Since server browser will be a thing, so you'll pick more populated servers

[arctic grove]

Beats me. I don't really care how hacks work if I'm not the one preventing them nor using them. All I know is that casper = meta.

[remote kiln]

very much so, DICE aren't kidding when they say they want to push experimental technology we'll see how this goes, it's definitely a first of its kind class experiment, which they have a first movers advantage for, I suppose it's a case of now rather than later

[fallen leaf]

so you are talking to make a product where i have spent my money into a fucking harvard experiment

fuck them make a different experimental game lmao

[tame cobalt]

[remote kiln]

eh the worst that can happen is they end up as terminator aimbots, which can be accounted for

[fallen leaf]

that's the point

[tame cobalt]

Just join full lobbies