#battlefield-2042

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final bloom
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how do i crawl

stone epoch
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Lmao

arctic grove
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And Japan decided to start doing some fucked up shit

pliant knot
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game won't be delayed, i dont think so DICE already planned sales in christmas

final bloom
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whats so funny

green breach
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Everyone says last time we won a war was WW2. Not it was the first gulf war.

stone epoch
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Are you my nephew by any chance? Lol this feels like a convo I’d have with him

remote kiln
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its funny that people are oblivious that JF and doom49 are in here

final bloom
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my arms are broken so i cant wash the dishes 🙄

tropic mango
final bloom
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sorry manual dishwasher*

green breach
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Tips fedora to Helsinki. Ma lady

arctic grove
remote kiln
arctic grove
remote kiln
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They record all gameplay and use time control to find out ways to kill you.

final bloom
desert elbow
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I’d say it does, they made changes which they know people may not like and let us remove them if we want

arctic grove
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Jack frags?

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Oh
Meh
He likely already played the game like months it was revealed

remote kiln
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no the JF-17 thunder

green breach
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You wonder why nobody wears a fedora anymore. Cause neckbeards killed them forever.

stone epoch
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Jack frags is already a level 120

still vault
ashen heart
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The suppression system was present in BF4 and Hardline. I believe it was present in BF1 as well, but for explosives or something. And you keep it relevant in BF because it is a core of BF. It is one of it's identifying tropes which helps make it unique from other games around it, as well as the fact that it has worked as a system for just under 20 years

arctic grove
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Oh no
It's a mod
EVERYONE HIDE YOUR KITTENS

stone epoch
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Scatter!

ashen heart
green breach
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She did t say anything bad

arctic grove
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They should also add Hardline to portal

velvet geyser
ashen heart
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f e e t

stone epoch
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Add BF2 first and the idgaf what else they add

arctic grove
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Hardline
2142
BC1
Bf1
BFV
And BF4

ashen heart
hearty kiln
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Hi

remote kiln
ashen heart
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ello

green breach
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This is why 2042 was delayed. Had to fight with Peppa the pig

still vault
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dishwasher jokes ends here

ashen heart
hearty kiln
ashen heart
still vault
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daily penguin ya

stiff summit
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how are u gonna exclude a certain group of people from this discord if we cant make jokes about them @still vault

gusty sandal
# ashen heart The suppression system was present in BF4 and Hardline. I believe it was present...

you said it like it was the first game to implement that, or the unique one to use it, but its just for simplify the platton formation, in simple classes of WEAPONS not cooperative roles, wasnt until BF2 they implemented Squad mechanics and roles
besides of that im pretty sure it existed several games with classes, like i dunno DAY OF DEFEAT

BF core its the Large Scale maps and conquest game mode and use vehicles, literally was the first game to do so,

stiff summit
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gate keeping mods smh

hearty kiln
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Alright cheers I'm gonna go play siege

tender pendantBOT
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Rule 8: Admins & Moderators keep this place happy & helpful for everyone. If you don't agree with how something is handled DM @clear spade. Don't disrupt the chat by complaining in public channels. Please also refrain from line-walking.

stiff summit
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is joke u actually want me to dm it in mod mail?

arctic grove
hearty kiln
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What's line walking

arctic grove
ashen heart
hearty kiln
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Ah

still vault
arctic grove
gusty sandal
lucid trench
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yo

gusty sandal
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in SQUAD this works perfecly

arctic grove
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dude

ashen heart
gusty sandal
bronze thorn
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I think suppression is fine too.

ashen heart
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I like it, adds more value to pinning someone down are actual providing covering fire by spraying towards the nerds shooting at your teammate whos trying to sprint across an open straight

lucid trench
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people that play tarkov understand

bronze thorn
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I've never played tarkov.

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Not my sort of game.

stiff summit
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dont for your own sake

gusty sandal
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I play SQUAD and its a hell getting pin down XD

arctic grove
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Suppression makes sense on paper, but in practice is one of the most frustrating mechanics I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing in a video game.

If all suppression does is vignette your vision or make it harder to see where you're at/going, fine, whatever, but if it affects gameplay it's terrible every single time. Literally never played a game where this was a fun or engaging mechanic.

languid scroll
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Hey guys, just wondering is there a less salty bf2042 subreddit where there’s actually conversation and not just complaining? I’m about to blow my brains out going through the main one

bronze thorn
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Can you not post comments like that here. No need for it.

ashen heart
bronze thorn
ashen heart
gleaming grove
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Oh damn. Unepic >: (

marble orchid
stiff summit
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how is suppression bf core? it became a thing after bf3 and has been toned down ever since

bronze thorn
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Could be wrong but I'm pretty sure it was there.

high fractal
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Remove the wall hacks

copper fulcrum
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no

lucid trench
high fractal
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Does not belong in battlefield

stiff summit
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checked the wiki it started from bf3

bronze thorn
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Why don't we see how the specialists perform before we demand nerfs to them?

copper fulcrum
desert elbow
high fractal
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Wall hacks is unhealthy

arctic grove
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i like how DICE decided the best way to deal with hackers was to just even the playing field

hearty kiln
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Motion sensor blocks your path

arctic grove
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hackers mad we normies gettin wallhacks

marble orchid
high fractal
copper fulcrum
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We've literally had point and click spotting as well as flares in two fucking games. Prox Sensors were also in Bad Company

arctic grove
high fractal
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Old dice devs are way better

desert elbow
bronze thorn
ashen heart
desert elbow
languid scroll
copper fulcrum
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We've literally had shit like this since Bad Company, we got some dense people up in here larssmile

arctic grove
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if everyone has wallhacks. nobody does.

bronze thorn
high fractal
desert elbow
ashen heart
still vault
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Wallhacks, bullet reflecting hack, health replenish hack, quick movement hack, flying eye hack, so many hacks

lucid trench
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or just normal hacking

desert elbow
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Bullet that damages hack

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Breathing hack

ashen heart
stiff summit
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all were missing is stretchy character hack and iam honestly dissapointed to not have encountered it in 2042

still vault
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Don't forget the "bag with endless ammo" hack 😄

arctic grove
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no no no hacks

bronze thorn
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I mentioned to DICE that the bullets need to be sharper at the front.

DICE didn't see the "point".

arctic grove
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gtfo

lucid trench
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goodbye

arctic grove
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we still crying?

ashen heart
lucid trench
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😢

remote kiln
lucid trench
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respawning irl

bronze thorn
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What did the streamer say to their camera after losing a 1v1 to another player?

"That was Bulletshit "

desert elbow
dire pecan
desert elbow
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Gravity hack

arctic grove
dire pecan
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People will be praising Dice if they did that

desert elbow
remote kiln
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ok everyone say it with me #notmybattlefield

lucid trench
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no

arctic grove
still vault
arctic grove
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just remove pc from crossplay, problem solved 😎

lucid trench
stiff summit
dire pecan
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Homing sniper bullets? Dice simps would love that. "It's time for change in the franchise"

remote kiln
lucid trench
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#stillgotmyultimateedition

bronze thorn
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I have two big gripes with BF2042. One has already been addressed which is both sides look the same and it's sometimes hard to tell who is on your team.

Second gripe is regenerating HP.

If you want "medics" and "engineer's" to stand out and be more squadlike. Get rid of the regenerating health.

Make medkits / repair tools and heal dart guns the only way to heal or repair.

arctic grove
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Best battlefield ever coming

dire pecan
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Best battlefield = battlefield portal

lucid trench
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ehhhhh

arctic grove
deft fossil
bronze thorn
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I'm generally "shocked" at the speed we regenerate health.

arctic grove
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defending hackers Think_Eyes

radiant echo
bronze thorn
radiant echo
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Nerf slow mode leo

lucid trench
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nerf how long it takes to respawn

radiant echo
deft fossil
lucid trench
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bro i wish i could turn it off

marble orchid
bronze thorn
lucid trench
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buff nerf guns dude

arctic grove
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i hate bf1 and 5 respawn time. i like the adhd respawn time better 😎

remote kiln
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Y'all saying nerf wallhacks this that, when the biggest threat to you is me, I need nerfed. yesididthat

marble orchid
radiant echo
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I mean when it's faster BF5 it's less frustrating

arctic grove
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My biggest complaint with BF2042 is the fact that I just flat-out don't like the specialist gadgets. I found myself not using them very often no matter who I played. Grappling hook was alright, heal gun was awful, turret was awful, drone was...fine...I guess...

If they added Generic Soldier or something and gave me 2 gadget slots (or just locked the gadgets to their specialist, like the grappling hook being locked to Mackay), my entire problem would be solved. It just felt like I wasn't able to be very effective without a respawn, whereas I could cover a bit more ground in the previous games.

bronze thorn
deft fossil
deep mirage
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The only way to heal and repair?

marble orchid
autumn wharf
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need my scoreboard back. How are we supposed to SMACK players if they dont know they are getting said SMACKING

gusty sandal
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yeah BFV have imo the best animation, and death mechanic of the whole franchise

deep mirage
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Lol Regen in bf1 was good

marble orchid
languid scroll
bronze thorn
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Did the dart gun in the beta fire tracer rounds?

ashen heart
lucid trench
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i got reported for saying the gardening tool in here nice warning

bronze thorn
deft fossil
ashen heart
lucid trench
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im done im getting reported or something

languid scroll
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Remember, 15 year olds on reddit know better then developers!

autumn wharf
ashen heart
arctic grove
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while they are nerfing things they need to make the aircraft heavier. im not trying to have it feel like im floating on cloud 9

arctic grove
lucid trench
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i got a threat warning? for asking who snitched lmao

bronze thorn
languid scroll
ashen heart
arctic grove
autumn wharf
languid scroll
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I agree the. BETA specialists sometimes felt hard to implement correctly, some maps are probably more conducive to some than others

ashen heart
bronze thorn
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It would be nice if you could press Q ( or a similar key ) to let that player know you're coming to their aid and to not "give up".

deft fossil
lucid trench
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gg banned

arctic grove
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rip

bronze thorn
flat charm
languid scroll
deft fossil
radiant echo
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I mean Q doritos was OP

arctic grove
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they should just remove the old lady

autumn wharf
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idgaf, i loved the beta, all i care about is my scoreboard and jinsoo nerf

bronze thorn
radiant echo
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And life goes on

deft fossil
radiant echo
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Have fun with what u got unless it's broken

arctic grove
bronze thorn
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I HATED trying to revive someone and ended up swapping guns with them.

languid scroll
still vault
radiant echo
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Happy weekend tho guys keanu

arctic grove
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no no no

deft fossil
bronze thorn
languid scroll
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They did announce the game would be more optimised yeah? I bought a new GPU for this game so I hope I can squeeze every last drop out of it

arctic grove
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they should make it so you can home onto the flare gun (if there is one)

autumn wharf
bronze thorn
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Worth the £70+ I paid for it.

autumn wharf
deft fossil
burnt swan
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even if the game is broken at lauch we're still gonna play it lmao

deft fossil
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and it was p fun

autumn wharf
lucid trench
burnt swan
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happens with every bf game

bronze thorn
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There is literally nothing anyone ( outside of DICE ) can say at this point that can stop me looking forward to playing on the 12th.

radiant echo
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Well 2042 ruined BF4 for me and now I'm not playing any BF game untill 2042 releases so that says it's good to me

burnt swan
arctic grove
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i wish bf3 servers were still populated

autumn wharf
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yep took a week off for it lol hope they dont delay because people cant grasp the sight of a SpEcIaLiSt!!!

bronze thorn
burnt swan
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week off from work for a game bruh

autumn wharf
arctic grove
bronze thorn
languid scroll
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100% people are caught up on the wrong shit, look past specialist and class identity issues, this is still a gorgeous looking, fun, action packed game , like if any other company released this game people would be FROTHING, but because it’s being compared to past BF’s people will knock it down

arctic grove
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Lol

burnt swan
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damn i would never take off from work for a game

autumn wharf
bronze thorn
arctic grove
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Only real gamers take time off to play games

radiant echo
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Honestly I abused the minimap

arctic grove
bronze thorn
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I don't go on holiday to other places or whatever. I've no interest in that sort of thing so 9/10 times my weeks off work are just spent playing games anyway.

radiant echo
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And didn't have visibility issues

languid scroll
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I’m definitely taking leave the Monday after for a long weekend of BF2042 😎

radiant echo
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Also TAA is way better than BF5

autumn wharf
high fractal
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Did you guys see the trailer. There was a Grenade that automatically locked on to the heli. That is what’s wrong with specialists

bronze thorn
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The only thing I'm dredding with the 12th is being in position 100,000 in queue to login to the game.

median coral
rotund hazel
arctic grove
sullen badge
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I'm taking a Friday and Monday off the week after official launch, as this gives them two weeks to patch any server issues from the date of early launch

bronze thorn
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"HODL"??

arctic grove
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I would sleep on that planet for a week, then come back to Earth in Star Trek times.

arctic grove
bronze thorn
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oh ok

autumn wharf
burnt swan
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fuck it im gonna take a few days off for 2042

autumn wharf
burnt swan
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you guys tempted me

median coral
high fractal
arctic grove
median coral
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So someone is up to something Menace

autumn wharf
high fractal
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I guarantee you the wall hack specialist is gonna be nerfed

languid scroll
sullen badge
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I'm gonna be pissed if they delay again

rotund hazel
high fractal
languid scroll
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If a heli is dumb enough to fly into GRENADE range, they should be killed

autumn wharf
median coral
high fractal
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If they don’t nerf those specialists in first week. I’m hopping on portal only

radiant echo
autumn wharf
arctic grove
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To be honest, the more middle fingers I can give to aircraft, the better.

Also, it locked onto an aircraft that was literally like 25m away. It's not like you're gunna be able to whip the bitch into orbit.

rotund hazel
rotund hazel
high fractal
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Wall hacks is straight up catering to cod players

median coral
obsidian zinc
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I really like the EOR screen and the CommoRose.

autumn wharf
languid scroll
median coral
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There’s only a perk that if you hit someone they are tracked for a bit

rotund hazel
high fractal
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It’s the new dice devs.

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They are shiit. I miss Patrick bach

autumn wharf
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its been documented that it will be here upon launch

rotund hazel
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thats fine cuz it wasnt that op

arctic grove
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that thrown balls thing is def op

high fractal
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Battlefield uses to be set their own trends. Now they seem to copy the industry

autumn wharf
arctic grove
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I hope you don't mean like BF4.

autumn wharf
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thats literally what im saying

high fractal
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Bro play operation locker for example

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Now imagine everyone running the wall hack specialist

autumn wharf
bronze thorn
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Op locker is a legendary map.

high fractal
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Imagine how aids it would be with wall hacks.

arctic grove
rotund hazel
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ohh well 3d spotting was truly hitting different, i agree

arctic grove
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This has to be a joke. They brought back dorito shooting? Fuck's sake.

radiant echo
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good night 👋

stiff pollen
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To be fair, half the dev team worked on SWBF2, and that game had a fair amount of wall hack abilities.

arctic grove
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portal will be bf saving grace

autumn wharf
rotund hazel
stiff pollen
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Half of the infiltrator reinforcements had wall hacks as an ability and a star card that decreased their cooldown whenever they received damage so you could keep its uptime going for a fair bit.

stiff pollen
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Difference being you had to earn them with in game points per match and there was a set limit to how many you could have in the field

high fractal
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Well now there’s no limit cus anyone can run the specialist

lucid trench
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i disagree

autumn wharf
# arctic grove portal will be bf saving grace

if you can find enough people to invite to your game. I think too many people are forgetting that Portals is going to be as private as forge, you arent getting 128 players in there unless you have influence

stiff pollen
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You can if you make the mode good lol

arctic grove
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I just want to make sure I'm understanding this right.

When you say spotting is back, do you mean how it was in BF4 where you just press a button and you show an enemy to the entire team, or do you mean it works like post-launch BFV?

stiff pollen
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Name the server CLASSIC BATTLEFIELD

high fractal
stiff pollen
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Also, the assault in SWBF2 natively had an ability to place a spotting dart anywhere that revealed players through walls.

arctic grove
stiff pollen
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But most people chose not to use it bevause it occupied the same spot as the healing ability for assault

autumn wharf
stiff pollen
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Yeah I mean, custom modes for BFV on pc are dead in NA

arctic grove
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Casper and vehicle spotting I'm 100% fine with.

stiff pollen
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only semi popular in EU

autumn wharf
high fractal
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This server is actually crazy

stiff pollen
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Also, Specialist class in SWBF2 had a spotting scope that both: spotted people through as well as highlight them after spotting for the entire team. Once again not a lot of people used it cause occupied same spot as bubble shield KEKW

fervent grotto
autumn wharf
high fractal
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U got battlefield vets who say they play since bf2. And defend wall hacks. Blows my mind

silk jasper
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Well, just seen the specialist trailer, looks like that’s settled it for now, definitely not going to buy bf anymore- much more hyped for WW3 game however 👍 it was good whilst it lasted, at least the cinematics were cool

hearty kiln
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Tugs

fervent grotto
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It would be like a bloodhound scan where it sends out a for wave and keeps them marked for a time (maybe 10-15 seconds) and you could visually see the scan.

stiff pollen
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I just don’t like the idea of wall hacks unless it’s earned, and she doesn’t earn it if it’s on a cooldown 🤷‍♂️

arctic grove
silk jasper
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Bf has definitely lost its identity, has become cod-like

copper fulcrum
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I'm a 1942 vet, the game has been mostly the same formula for at least 18 years, one change to it's fundamentals ain't gonna fucking kill it whatsoever

high fractal
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Have u seen the trailer?? She pressed one button for wall hacks

autumn wharf
silk jasper
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typical ea killing off their titles

eternal valley
copper fulcrum
stiff pollen
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And they removed that and it’s been gone for 6+ years

copper fulcrum
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It was gone for one game

autumn wharf
stiff pollen
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Oh right

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Forgot BF1 KEKW

high fractal
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Yes but it’s not as worse as wall hacks. Because you can see through walls where u would have to least aim in general direction before to get the dorito which I’m also happy it’s gone now

gentle nebula
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So, 2042 comes out the 19th. Is that early access date or will that be 7 days earlier?

copper fulcrum
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Q-Spamming is far worse then the 10 foot wall-hack A SINGLE CHARACTER HAS

stiff pollen
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12th is early access

fervent grotto
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My opinion on it all is that I’ll still play it no matter what. Exactly why I preordered Vanguard and Battlefield.

copper fulcrum
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Literally just fire a flare at a wall in BF1 and it's THE SAME SHIT AS THIS PERSON'S ABILITY

spring lintel
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with the sentry there already kinda was a "wall hack" and that wasn't op

autumn wharf
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and all the people threatening not to buy the game is hilarious to me, as if its NOT going to be the best selling FPS game of 2021. Im calling it now

high fractal
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She’s gonna be a popular specialist is all I’m gonna say

spring lintel
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it was fun to shoot people who had no idea where I was but I could see their outline perfectly

copper fulcrum
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Actually the flare is stronger since it spots it for EVERYONE and not just THEMSELVES

high fractal
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Prob top 3 no doubt

stiff pollen
whole obsidian
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The old class system is way better than specialists

fervent grotto
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I enjoy cod and battlefield so I’ll therefore play it no matter what.

silk jasper
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“Noo you’re not allowed to criticize the game!!! 😡😡😡😡”

copper fulcrum
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Flares are stronger than Paik's shitty "WaLlHaCkS"

high fractal
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Bad at game because of wall hacks??

tight grotto
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yes

hearty kiln
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Tugs

spring lintel
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I was going to say infinite might take the sales but its free so it doesn't matter

whole obsidian
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Wall hacks don’t need to be in 2042

copper fulcrum
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Tugs are also stronger lol

tight grotto
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yo someone with common sense

bronze thorn
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There's a reason bloodhound players don't automatically win matches with a wallhack ability.

fervent grotto
high fractal
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They literally showed u a trailer dumbasss

fervent grotto
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I main her

high fractal
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That is what’s gone be at launch unless they nerf it

arctic grove
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Videos < Hands-on experience.

tight grotto
obsidian zinc
copper fulcrum
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Flares and Q-Spotting are stronger than WEAK ASS FUCK SCANNER JI-SOO has

tight grotto
hearty kiln
autumn wharf
high fractal
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Wall hacks are gone be at launch and it’s gone be such a dumb implementation

stiff pollen
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It’s gonna be nerfed lol, it’s a question of when

spring lintel
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yeah I didn't like the idea of the plus system at first....but once I used it I loved it

whole obsidian
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The game really needs to be delayed

copper fulcrum
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Not to mention that one of the throwables are PROXIMITY SENSORS

bronze thorn
fervent grotto
copper fulcrum
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We used like 50% of what the actual Plus system will be too, we'll be able to customize it ourself with our own attachments

fervent grotto
arctic grove
copper fulcrum
fervent grotto
whole obsidian
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Not in that way. I meant delay it to next year so that the game is better

stiff pollen
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Minimap spotting while powerful isn’t as powerful as knowing the exact direction and spot a person is in first person

copper fulcrum
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Didn't Q-Spotting in BF3,BF4 show direction too?

stiff pollen
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I don’t even know I haven’t played either in 7+ years

tight grotto
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they finished a while ago

arctic grove
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These unbalanced class setups it gone to far

autumn wharf
# whole obsidian The game really needs to be delayed

it doesnt, If you dont like it, I guess play something else? IDK, I think most of the things people are upset over are easily addressable and just the standard oldheads crying over specialists as if anyone in previous BFs ever played their role anyways on average

whole obsidian
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It should do what halo infinite did: delay the game to next year and have more betas that are polished

copper fulcrum
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Oh shit, this very underpowered ability is assigned to one character and we're gonna throw our shit even though it's ass cheeks compared to the Q-Spotting that ABSOLUTELY EVERY PLAYER could've done in the games that these people PRAISE prior

arctic grove
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Play Casper, wait for radar to activate, then throw prox ball to know exactly where they are. With the ammo boxes, this becomes an infinite loop. It's an insane combination.

whole obsidian
tight grotto
stiff pollen
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Do people not understand they’ve already spent their marketing budget? It won’t be delayed, they billboards in Times Square with the launch date.

tight grotto
copper fulcrum
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Plus are we going to really choose a 10 foot scanning radius over a grappling hook? OMEGALUL

stiff pollen
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8XM, nobodies denying that Q spotting was overpowered

autumn wharf
arctic grove
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On launch I'm going Casper > Paik (because I'm a shithead, kek) > Falck > everyone else.

stiff pollen
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I’d rather stab my nuts than watch act man again

arctic grove
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Battlefield 2042 needs a delay to fix these unbalanced issues

whole obsidian
copper fulcrum
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Bullshit hyperbole

stiff pollen
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Mmm 100k redditors versus 8 million people probably about to buy this first month in

gleaming quiver
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I bet most of online games are gonna be AI

fervent grotto
tight grotto
whole obsidian
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What’s the point of giving us a beta that is barely fucking playable

gleaming quiver
stiff pollen
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Considering the fact that Halo is free and and vanguard is noticeably gonna be the weakest cod this cycle, I’m sure BF2042 is gonna flop PepeEyeRoll

autumn wharf
arctic grove
copper fulcrum
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I rarely saw any bots in my beta experience really

tight grotto
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if people were to stop acting as the beta was the real game then we would be fine but here we are

autumn wharf
stiff pollen
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It won’t sell worse than BFV, bevause this game didn’t start by insulting the players

arctic grove
#

Vanguard is possibly the worst fucking CoD I've ever played, and I've literally played them all (outside of the spinoffs on GameCube and stuff).

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DICE will be lucky it sold past 5 million

tight grotto
gleaming quiver
#

Lol everyone gets so upset here

stiff pollen
#

Fr

gleaming quiver
#

It’s kinda sad man

stiff pollen
#

Some real coping here man…

copper fulcrum
#

A lot of doomers

stiff pollen
#

Somehow the most anticipated game of this year will sell less than 5 million copies

ebon swallow
#

I’m just buying it for the custom servers

stiff pollen
copper fulcrum
arctic grove
#

Halo, on the other hand. Holy shit. We're in for a good fucking Halo experience. It was the first time I've been excited for a Halo game in forever. Super, super solid game.

arctic grove
whole obsidian
#

Halo infinite is like the only good upcoming FPS this year

gleaming quiver
#

I’m just waiting for YouTuber gameplay on November so i can decide to cancel or not

arctic grove
#

Cyberpunk sold 30m copies 🙂

tight grotto
autumn wharf
#

BF2042 Will surpass any BF to date, period and a lot of you just cant stand it.

fervent grotto
copper fulcrum
#

I've already pre-ordered it

tight grotto
stiff pollen
#

Hmmm Cyberpunk 2077, 13.7 million copies sold

copper fulcrum
little remnant
tight grotto
copper fulcrum
#

MeUndies

arctic grove
#

Cyberpunk 2077 the game of the year the most talk about and the most anticipated..............

copper fulcrum
#

That's right, this discord conversation is sponsored by MeUndies

gleaming quiver
#

Gameplay broski

tight grotto
#

how to piss off the entire BF server

fervent grotto
#

And people call us sheep for buying the game

tight grotto
#

lmfao

arctic grove
autumn wharf
#

exactly what @whole obsidian does, got the smooth brain

gleaming quiver
#

99 percent of battlefield fans will suffer cardiac arrest

tight grotto
fervent grotto
copper fulcrum
#

Yeah ironic how people who call others sheep also blindly follow YouTuber's opinions

Same people who get offended by LGBT+ are also the ones to throw "Snowflake" as well

whole obsidian
tight grotto
arctic grove
#

If I had to take a guess as to what I think is gunna sell the most copies based on the quality of the experience being presented, it would be Halo > Battlefield > CoD.

But we all know how it's gunna go. CoD > (way down the fucking line) Battlefield & Halo.

gleaming quiver
#

Who’s even talking about opinions I wanna see some solid ass gameplay not dumbass animations

whole obsidian
#

”If you don’t like it don’t play it” what a shit argument

stiff pollen
#

Does Halo even sell copies? I doubt people will even buy the game and just game pass the campaign

copper fulcrum
fervent grotto
#

You can def tell which people in this server are glass half-full people and glass half empty people.

autumn wharf
tight grotto
stiff pollen
#

My great grandpa storming the beaches with his chrome tiger M1 Garand with reflex site and drum mag with tanker barrel.

autumn wharf
fervent grotto
fervent grotto
copper fulcrum
copper fulcrum
fervent grotto
bronze thorn
#

I'm gonna take the whole ... um ... game of 2042 and enjoy all of it!

arctic grove
#

CoD is going to sell like pancakes at IHOP no matter what Activision does. They could literally take a dump on a CD and smear it into your console and people would still be like, "Man, I really gotta buy this fucking game."

copper fulcrum
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CoD can be just a splash screen of a clogged toilet and it will still be the best selling game of that year

whole obsidian
#

Why is everyone mad at specialists? Because it fucks up the good old class system and team play is massively downgraded because of that

stiff pollen
autumn wharf
fervent grotto
copper fulcrum
stiff pollen
#

I played it bro

tight grotto
copper fulcrum
#

The Sword and Zombies stuff was added in Halloween

whole obsidian
stiff pollen
#

True but they added fucking leprechauns by like month 4 or some shit

copper fulcrum
#

I think Valentines Day was month 3

tight grotto
#

they cut off an older version of the game that is STABLE

copper fulcrum
#

How dare an unfinished game play like an unfinished game

tight grotto
#

they are constantly updating the game on a daily basis, and sometimes its not stable

copper fulcrum
#

Now watch as I play the preview version of Unturned and complain that it's broken

arctic grove
#

I just want the good old days again, back when I could play a game and have fun and it didn't matter. Now I'm fucking old and the good old days are gone because the publishers are like, "Oooh, money!"

copper fulcrum
#

I'd say the post-launch content is going to be good for 2042 since there's no real season pass

stiff pollen
#

Season 1 already sounds good

#

Map in Canada

copper fulcrum
#

Watch as Mackay sings and breaks his neck with the grappling hook in Ultra HD

autumn wharf
#

i evolved into cod from my og MoH days, and for a while CoD innovated all the way up until mw3, and then one last time for MW2019, Im DONE with call of duty and the children they cater towards, cant have the warzone community going back to fortnite, NO SIR, keep the $30 skins flying and the content sparse

tight grotto
#

lol

obsidian zinc
#

what's your favourite specialist so far?

arctic grove
#

Casper.

dusky blade
#

I’m worried about this game :(

copper fulcrum
#

Wingsuit and a hottie in one package, yes please

tight grotto
dusky blade
#

I just can’t see it blowing up massively like everyone wanted

Too much controversy

whole obsidian
#

The old class system would make bf2042 way better than it is

arctic grove
#

I might like Sundance more than Casper on launch, but as of what I've played so far, 100% Casper.

copper fulcrum
#

But no wingsuit with class system

tight grotto
whole obsidian
dusky blade
#

Yes? People complain when there are issues

What’s your point

obsidian zinc
#

it will succeed.

copper fulcrum
stiff pollen
#

Guys remember when this server got invaded by actual wehraboos during BFV

dusky blade
#

Yeah of course it will succeed, all battlefield games succeed

tight grotto
autumn wharf
whole obsidian
obsidian zinc
#

not every gaming enthusiast is involved in pointless internet drama.

tight grotto
#

hell probably all of them

copper fulcrum
tight grotto
dusky blade
copper fulcrum
#

Which thankfully it isn't a choice for Axis, it helps with Hardcore servers to be a black man on the Allied side

tight grotto
#

dont go rubbing it off on others

whole obsidian
#

Also. What’s the problem with delaying the game to next year. It has no negative impact and it would make it way better

dusky blade
#

Does that mean every complain is instantly invalid

copper fulcrum
restive trail
#

Hey guys

tight grotto
autumn wharf
restive trail
#

What are we mad about today people

tight grotto
#

and the majority of people like em

dusky blade
#

Is the purpose of a beta not to give feedback

restive trail
#

it is

tight grotto
copper fulcrum
#

Map was kinda big in 2042, but it feels small when in a helicopter or a jet

tight grotto
copper fulcrum
#

By the way, I love that you can fly ABOVE the clouds and it's a clear day

tropic mango
#

I love eating just cheese

tight grotto
marble orchid
dusky blade
#

Soft cheese is the only good cheese

obsidian zinc
marble orchid
#

There's no point

tight grotto
copper fulcrum
#

Pepperjack cheese is great on certain sandwiches

tropic mango
tight grotto
dusky blade
#

But when the people say why it removes the soul, and they’re still ignored, then is it fair?

tropic mango
#

I need groceries...

autumn wharf
#

bf offers a LOT more than other fps titles, lets stop pretending its as simple as cod to produce

dusky blade
#

Yeah same I need more food

whole obsidian
copper fulcrum
#

Specialists are just sub-classes with character

stiff pollen
dusky blade
#

What

marble orchid
copper fulcrum
#

It's still a Battlefield game at it's core lol

whole obsidian
#

We shouldn’t be okay with broken ass launches now

cloud crown
#

Hello

stiff pollen
# dusky blade What

I said ignored bevause you have a differing opinion than mine. It’s how it works

autumn wharf
deft fossil
#

i still think people are overreacting about the specialist. oh u want to be a engineer with a repair tool and smg? YOU CAN DO THAT

dusky blade
tight grotto
copper fulcrum
#

Discord should really just show all the names of who's typing at the bottom

dusky blade
marble orchid
cloud crown
#

Do you guys agree that BF3 is the best BF game ever?

copper fulcrum
#

Only MY opinion matters, mwahahah

restive trail
whole obsidian
stiff pollen
tight grotto
restive trail
dusky blade
#

Best is BF1 obviously Happy

deft fossil
stiff pollen
#

Although I am objectively the smartest person here troll

restive trail
#

TBH i dont know why i dont like BF1

copper fulcrum
#

I enjoyed BF4 more than BF3, BF1 more than those two and BFV above those. Hardline was good but I didn't experience it too much and 1942, as well as 2 are the holy grails imo

deft fossil
restive trail
#

And for that i dont like myself honestly cuz i should have a reason for hating something

dusky blade
#

You’re not acknowledging the part where the devs ignore the points made...and responding with a snarky take like that doesn’t prove a thing lol

stiff pollen
#

Mfw worried that wallhacks will be OP in the game so I must be mentally ill KEKW

restive trail
autumn wharf
tight grotto
stiff pollen
dusky blade
#

I am seeing that

copper fulcrum
deft fossil
restive trail
#

yeah thats it

solar wind
#

i felt the movement in the beta felt great, it allowed for a high skill gap

dusky blade
#

Hasn’t the appeal of battlefield always been anyone can get in and enjoy the game despite their skill level

stiff pollen
#

The movement just needed the animations fixed is all

stiff pollen
#

That’s really it, learn to track better if you can’t keep up

restive trail
#

For me everything feels....off. maybe it's seacretly a skill issue, maybe my FOV or sens was off, maybe it IS a legit problem. point is, i just wish i had a reason to dislike it

dusky blade
#

Okay but that doesn’t mean other people’s criticisms aren’t valid

stiff pollen
#

doesn’t care
Replies back

deft fossil
autumn wharf
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Historic shooting games should stay in the early 2000s, nothing exciting about the progression of the finite possibility of playing with 20 of the same guns over and over

gilded fable
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Movement in BFV was good ,sliding, crouch, entering doors snd windows etc.

copper fulcrum
stiff pollen
#

You’re wrong because a YouTuber told me so

dusky blade
#

But the point of a beta is to get first impressions and give feedback lmfao

copper fulcrum
autumn wharf
restive trail
#

I think it provides an extra skill hap to get over. so maybe if your aim is bad, you could compensate by having great movement.

tight grotto
#

alright listen, instead of going around on the discord server complaining about how 2042 is gonna be so bad just go off and wait until the game releases, and when it does, come back and tell us your worries and complains and then it will be vaild, but what most of you guys are going off is just youtubers and 3 month old beta, if you were to read some of the news you would get that almost all of the bugs have already been fixed and they still have around a month to fix the rest

copper fulcrum
#

I don't have embed perms so I rp out the image

#

works just as well, I guess

dusky blade
dusky blade
#

I just don’t get why people here are so defensive of the game....

copper fulcrum
#

@restive trail About your name, all I can think of is Webster holding onto Dozer while they grapple up and Dozer's shield protects them both

tight grotto
stiff pollen
#

Bevause their personality revolves around this game

solar wind
solar wind
#

yep

stiff pollen
#

No he just used helicopters troll

dusky blade
solar wind
restive trail
copper fulcrum
#

Imagine not destroying the server the moment you log onto it, man you guys suck :p

quasi acorn
#

Any hot takes

solar wind
#

m5 w smg mags goes insane

copper fulcrum
quasi acorn
restive trail
#

I want extended mags tbh

solar wind
restive trail
copper fulcrum
stiff pollen
#

Mmm I hear you but I am now gonna result to personal attacks while strawmanning you

vestal lichen
#

Can we hate on game characters that are racist though

restive trail
copper fulcrum
#

I still hate Micah to this fucking day

restive trail
#

Whos micah

solar wind
#

is there a way to check your stats from the beta

copper fulcrum
#

From Red Dead Redemption 2

stiff pollen
#

Dick from RDR2

tight grotto
quasi acorn
tight grotto
#

i got 27.7 hours on it though

#

quite proud of myself

restive trail
#

jeez

copper fulcrum
#

Across two platforms I think I got about 30 or so on the 2042 beta. I had too much fun on those days off lol

restive trail
#

I think i got abt 15 or so hours

copper fulcrum
#

Testing performance on Series X as well as my dumpster of a PC, that's why.

tight grotto
#

yeah i had a 5 day weekend

copper fulcrum
#

Surprisingly my PC can handle it quite well

arctic grove
#

Hello night crew

quasi acorn
copper fulcrum
#

No one like Rao it seems

arctic grove
# quasi acorn Hey any hot takes?

Why the shit are we really worried about Arctic ice when the real enemy is the company being these constantly broken mcflurry machines

stiff pollen
#

No they love him

#

He’s gonna be so good in HZ lol

deft fossil
buoyant mirage
high fractal
#

Navin rao the scam caller

copper fulcrum
#

I see Rao being my main except for Sundance, where I use their wingsuit to literally Sundance

copper fulcrum
obsidian zinc
#

LMAO

high fractal
#

His specialist ability: can extend your car warranty

deft fossil
copper fulcrum
#

Always a team-player homie

buoyant mirage
#

I hope we can disable specialist voicelines

quasi acorn
#

Tbh I may fw dozer angel Sundance and Irish

deft fossil
copper fulcrum
#

You scratch my back, I give you a full body massage

stiff pollen
#

Nah get this, scan a dude in HZ, kill him, get walls on all his squad mates

obsidian zinc
#

do you guys remember the story piece from the website?

obsidian zinc
#

with the "container map".

copper fulcrum
#

Where is our Italian specialist, DICE? LUL

restive trail
#

Unpopular opinion angel has fantastic character design

buoyant mirage
high fractal
#

Dice is low key racist

#

They made the hacker character Indian

restive trail
obsidian zinc
stiff pollen
#

They also made the only Asian character have wall hacks

restive trail
quasi acorn
obsidian zinc
#

anyways...

stiff pollen
#

I only use the Reddit to bitch about how my wife is leaving me while hiding it behind vague BF2042 rants

restive trail
#

Subredditers have managed to turn salt into drugs and are smoking it in large quantities

obsidian zinc
#

do you remember the map with the moving containers?

brave yarrow
#

Dice can't even accept specialists are a dumb idea lol

copper fulcrum
#

Next Evolution, Bay-Beeeeee

quasi acorn
restive trail
copper fulcrum
#

Mackay on Manifest with moving platforms sounds like fun to me. I don't know what y'all smoking thinking that people are only gonna use Ji-Soo Paik there

stiff pollen
#

Dice didn’t accept they fucked up BFV’s gun balance until 3 months later so doesn’t surprise me

quasi acorn
high fractal
#

Yea the dude who got fired from bfv still defends the ttk changes lmao

stiff pollen
#

The TTK issues from BFV were so bad

#

This is small fry compared to that

unreal prairie
#

what was old bfV ttk

obsidian zinc
stiff pollen
#

The fact they did it TWICE after the first time the community told them to GTFO with that shit is hilarious

obsidian zinc
#

that are moving the containers there.

stiff pollen
#

Ever since then it’s been a joke that the BF team doesn’t even play their own games KEKW

#

My favorite is them defending the decision with “our data shows”

quasi acorn
restive trail
stiff pollen
#

They ruined half the guns to promote less ranged fights

quasi acorn
stiff pollen
#

Only shotguns, snipers and select pistols remained unchanged

#

Iirc it was they found players disliked the fact they died too quickly at range

obsidian zinc
stable dawn
#

The open beta is closed now?

stiff pollen
#

And their data showed people died too fast at ranges that were well beyond the typical range in past games

stable dawn
#

Aw man I was excited to play some

stiff pollen
#

Which, no shit, they changed the way the gunplay worked, ranged fights with most guns were viable now

#

But it was hilarious because the one thing people stated was perfect about BFV was the gunplay and yet they said “trust us we know better, our data says so” when the community told them not to change the TTK

stiff pollen
#

No

#

It would be obvious bevause you’d receive all the sounds of you being hit at once

#

1 frame deaths, like getting headshot with a sniper but by an SMG

#

Which it wasn’t, it was just people hitting their shots

quasi acorn
#

100% dice never thought that issue through

deft fossil
sullen inlet
#

Bloom is disgusting

quasi acorn
#

Tbh I happy that dev is gone imagine the idea for 2042

stiff pollen
#

I will admit that BFV had some weird quirks with its gunplay (FOV seemingly impacted recoil due to aim being decoupled from center)

#

But it was, for the most part, the only part besides movement that everyone agreed was solid in BFV

distant swallow
#

Lurking 👀

mortal prism
#

👀

sullen inlet
#

Keisha eating molly like its candy

distant swallow
vital vale
#

most epic scene in the whole bf4 campgain

sullen inlet
distant swallow
quasi acorn
#

Hot take: the only thing that can kill battlefield is battlefield I learn that from destiny

stiff pollen
#

Destiny players will watch paint dry and say “wow look at that gameplay 👀 “

#

Meanwhile division players begging Ubisoft not to turn the franchise into another battle royale

haughty flare
#

lol The Division BR, that would be something....for sure..

quasi acorn
stiff pollen
#

It is already a thing

#

It’s called division heartlands, I tested the alpha a while back

arctic grove
#

Bf1042 be like

hearty kiln
#

I hope they dint buff aim assist too much on console. I loved the aim assist in beta

arctic grove
#

Bf1 or bf5?

stiff pollen
#

Ubisoft announced it a while back

#

They even allowed you to sign up for the alpha

bronze thorn
stiff pollen
#

I’m imagining they’re taking a step back and re-examining shit after they got told to GTFO with Ghost Recon Frontlines

hearty kiln
#

Exactly

#

Ps5 had very little aim assist and it was nice

stiff pollen
#

It’s probably just a bit more than past games to allow to compete with KB&M

vital vale
#

imma watch all trailers again cuz why not, plus im bored

stiff pollen
#

Cancel preorder and buy again

sterile bone
#

Is there a way to upgrade to gold on steam without having to rebuy the game?

arctic grove
#

Bf4 fun

quasi acorn
stiff pollen
sterile bone
#

Thank you! I can still cancel preorder even with all of the hours I put in beta?

stiff pollen
#

Since the game is still in preorder steam will auto refund

sterile bone
#

Cool thank you!

stiff pollen
#

And yes

sullen inlet
#

The ultimate edition skin is for which specialist again?

stiff pollen
#

Casper

sullen inlet
#

Ah because of the hood

#

I see

#

Not a recon player, didnt get it

stiff pollen
#

I got it because I essentially got the game for free

#

Epic games play testing money 🤑

sullen inlet
#

Whats that

vestal lichen
#

I wonder why Rao sounded like Lewis Dawkins in the Exodus short film

#

in other words some british guy

stiff pollen
#

Knowing EA they didn’t give the VA any direction troll

#

Who knows

arctic grove
#

Anyone know what specialist blistered earth is for ?

sullen inlet
stiff pollen
#

Yes, like 150 bucks or more

#

In Amazon gift cards but I sell them online for cash

sullen inlet
#

Strange didnt find a single post about that

stiff pollen
#

They’re quite picky about inviting people and you only get invited maybe once every few months

#

Just google epic games play testing

#

Have to be in NA to do it tho

sullen inlet
#

I am not, + I cba tbh

deft fossil
vestal lichen
sullen inlet
#

And the white skin is for......?

deft fossil
sullen inlet
#

No way

dim remnant
sullen inlet
#

Hard to say because complete covered

arctic grove
dim remnant
#

Battlefield 2042 is a good game

vestal lichen
dim remnant
#

Battlefield 2042 is full of surprises

deft fossil
arctic grove
#

Oh yea ur right

sullen inlet
#

I think tempest is sundance and white skin is dozer

#

Because of the unique glasses

arctic grove
#

I wonder who the winter skin bundle is for if the ultimate skin is for Casper

eternal valley
sullen inlet
#

I dont think you get the skins for every specialist, EA wants to make some cash xd

arctic grove
#

RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SNAPS INFINITY GAUNTLET
Battlefield 2042 reset

eternal valley
#

what

vestal lichen
#

uhh

#

okay so you want to go back to 2018-2019?

vestal lichen
#

it was so out of the blue and random

arctic grove
#

Did it work

deft fossil
arctic grove
#

Bring uniforms so I don’t have to look at my clones OpenEye

vestal lichen
arctic grove
#

I found all the stones

vestal lichen
#

you mean the expired mints

arctic grove
vestal lichen
#

Dude you're stoned

eternal valley
#

lmao

arctic grove
eternal valley
vestal lichen
#

The rubber glove you bought off of ebay?

proven igloo
eternal valley
vestal lichen
#

With all those nasty mints from under rugs and between cushons

#

glued on your glove

arctic grove
vestal lichen
#

Realistically speaking, they're not gonna scrap 2042 with all these resources and budgets spent on developing it

#

they're gonna bring it out ready or not on launch and do a whole lot of work on it after launch

quasi acorn
#

Another hot take: YouTubers who bashed this game will continue it until some better happens or specialists are gone

arctic grove
vestal lichen
stiff pollen
#

The YouTubers who are bashing the game are either small channels who need to bash games to get views or large channels who’s whole thing is bashing games anyways

red swallow
#

Any news about BF 2042 anti-cheat system or there still would be level 200 hackers around like it more often happens in BF5?

proven igloo
arctic grove
#

I'ma use time stone

vestal lichen
restive trail
arctic grove
#

Revert to 2018

vestal lichen
stiff pollen
#

There’s a difference between constructive criticism and “game bad dice bad kill self”

red swallow
arctic grove
stiff pollen
#

Which the majority of the time is what i saw from small channels with the typical DICE IS IN TROUBLE title bs

#

You can tell who actually cares for the franchise by the way they speak on it

#

Rather than those who obviously just rip on it for views

vestal lichen
#

oh wow you can't say that funny word anymore

#

anyways yeah

#

just to clarify it doesn't start with n or f

quasi acorn
vestal lichen
arctic grove
quasi acorn
vestal lichen
vestal lichen
arctic grove
red swallow
vestal lichen
#

ah okay

stiff pollen
#

I mean, i started watching this smaller dude named Ender who was a former BF4 pro who hits the nail right on the head with most of what he says. He obviously isn’t just bashing the game, he genuinely wants to see it be the best it can be. But then there’s Act Man who did 40 minutes of just ripping into the game dispersed by random memes and pictures of his face to drive up engagement.

red swallow
vestal lichen
#

yeah

arctic grove
#

HHDHDJBZ

vestal lichen
#

What I'm trying to say is that there's a lot of constructive or clodstructive criticism

red swallow
#

excuse me*

arctic grove
#

I NEED THE POWER

vestal lichen
#

clodstructive isn't really a word but it's just my term for going absolutely brain dead and telling the devs to kill themselves cause you don't like the small spec of dust that appears every hour that passes in Discarded

#

lol

stiff pollen
#

You can tell who cares based on what they write. If I write out a paragraph outlining what I dislike and liked to be changed, I’m not hating, I’m simply calling out stuff I think is detrimental. But we got this clique shit where if you don’t agree you’re just against us :/

red swallow
quasi acorn
vestal lichen
stiff pollen
#

That’s just about every one. The trick is picking and finding the ones that are good critique and bad.

arctic grove
#

I BATTLE TIME STONE......GOING TO REVERSE TIME

vestal lichen
stiff pollen
#

The issue is many devs just shut off all critique because they’re tired from the bad shit

vestal lichen
#

YeahBF4real

stiff pollen
#

Fucking Yandev straight up just bans anyone who criticizes him KEKW

arctic grove
#

Is it 2011?

restive trail
#

no

arctic grove
#

You sure

red swallow
livid eagle
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Remember when every game was different & didnt share the same 3 core mechanics

vestal lichen
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"Yandere Dev the bug that causes you to die every five seconds isn't fixed yet, you could easily fix this by-" banned before you even get to finish typing anything

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lol

arctic grove
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Ahhh where in 2011 and 48 hours till bf3 release

stiff pollen
stiff pollen
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After BFV I believe that

lucid yoke
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I’m sus

arctic grove
stiff pollen
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The team on SWBF2 genuinely did want to make a good game but I felt the opposite of the team for BFV

vestal lichen
proven igloo
quasi acorn
livid eagle
sullen inlet
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I remember BF3 launch as it was yesterday..... Metro..... Seine crossing.... Damavand..... Holy moly

vestal lichen
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what did battlefield 1 even do wrong it had one of the most stable launches and funny ragdoll bugs

stiff pollen
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Yeah BF1 did very little wrong

warm thistle
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so the wallhack specialists is about 6 seconds?

arctic grove
vestal lichen
stiff pollen
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People were mad cause of gas, WW1 and not modern and some arcades stuff like behemoths and elite classes

vestal lichen
livid eagle
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I think specialists are okay but I prefer classes, that’s why I hope custom classes will be expansible in portal!!!!!

quasi acorn
proven igloo
arctic grove
vestal lichen
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also there is no "battle time stone" there's only a "time stone" and another thing those aren't real

stiff pollen
vestal lichen
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There is no tooth fairy, no easter bunny
and there is no england

warm thistle
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I think Specialists is pretty cool.. Classes wasn't really important for Battlefield honestly.. everybody just play whoever they want.. so its basically the same thing isnt it?

proven igloo
vestal lichen
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LOL

red swallow
# arctic grove Terrible generalization

Excuse me if it sounds harsh, but that's true. Let's just get an example. Dice and EA knows about hackers in BF5, but they keep doing a 90% discount in the Steam. Do you think they don't understand, that a 90% discount means another hackers wave? It's like 2nd time this month. Someone says they are doing it for an advertisement of BF2042, but actually, they squeeze the last pennies out of us.