battlefield-2042

[harsh furnace]

i cant wait for metro portal if its there

[delicate hollow]

lol did you see the supposedly confirmed weapons? that list is small

[mental umbra]

hope they add harder bots

[tropic veldt]

i didnt actually

[delicate hollow]

Let me find the link

[tropic veldt]

can you plz link

[uncut silo]

that would be cool, I'm tired of the laser/heatseeker/radar trifecta

[mental umbra]

I couldnt even get a bot to stay inside a vehicle 😢

[delicate hollow]

https://www.gamesatlas.com/battlefield-2042/weapons/

[tropic veldt]

i kinda wanna see like zoonie rockets from the attack heli but with a faster fire rate and recharge rate

[uncut silo]

jdams were cool in bf4 but the interface isn't my favourite

[tropic veldt]

cheers ill look

oh those are weapons on foot

i was talking about jets arsenal

[unique mortar]

1

[umbral wigeon]

at least it requires a bit of skill using that interface. thing i dont like is the bfv way where in the chase cam you drop bombs like its warthunder

[delicate hollow]

I hardly use vehicle weapons I just like to run people down

[arctic grove]

I was reading comments on some article and some guy wants a Vietnam dlc with anccient weopons in 2042

[delicate hollow]

that would be sick

[tropic veldt]

like i said the awesome thing about battlefield is a lot of people main different things

[unkempt coral]

how about a spartan dlc

[arctic grove]

no im about done with guns from the 1900's

[unkempt coral]

swords/spears/bows

[light flint]

sorry my parrot ran over my keyboard

[delicate hollow]

Enter the battlefield with an M16 and a spear

[arctic grove]

yea Spartans vs Us marines

bows vs m5's

[unkempt coral]

ngl that would be freaking amazing

[tropic veldt]

im sure that would be balanced

[light flint]

spartan uses shields and javelins smh

[delicate hollow]

put horses and sabers in portal

[tropic veldt]

squad of 4 dudes vs 100 dudes with spears

[light flint]

a type of sword they use is called xiphos

[delicate hollow]

those were so hype to get in bf1

[uncut silo]

let's not turn BF into holdfast pls

[harsh furnace]

I wonder if portal will have enough admins if that many servers will be created 🤣

[delicate hollow]

has rush been confirmed for 2042

[harsh furnace]

No

[delicate hollow]

damn

[uncut silo]

well first, dice gotta sell some copies

let's see if that happens then we'll worry about admins

[delicate hollow]

I'm sure someone will make it in portal

[edgy eagle]

Breakthrough though 😳

[harsh furnace]

I’m sure it’s going to come with release later or on season

[delicate hollow]

was breakthrough the same thing

[light flint]

supply drop though

[delicate hollow]

I don't think I played that one yet

[harsh furnace]

No it’s diff than rush

[delicate hollow]

what do you do in it

[edgy eagle]

Breakthrough is pretty similar to rush

[harsh furnace]

I would explain but it’s hard to explain 🤣

[torpid shuttle]

Syrette pistol really similar with medic gun from Killing Floor 2.

[edgy eagle]

Basically rush but you captures sectors as attackers and defend them as defenders. Attackers have limited tickets while defenders have unlimited tickets. If the attackers run out of tickets they lose

[harsh furnace]

Good explanation

But there are a lot of sectors if attackers capture it the defense movies back to other sectors till all run out if attackers keep winning

[mental umbra]

turrets gonna be so op on breakthrough

[harsh furnace]

Yeah if everyone runs them lel

But there are counters to it

Like that Indian specialist who’s a hacker maybe he can hack turrets

[mental umbra]

even if only a dozen people get em thats a lott of turrets going up, itll be interesting to see

[harsh furnace]

All specialists counter each other for sure

[mental umbra]

I hope its op, I mean the attackers get the same stuff so we will find out, I think one has an emp grenade so thats a pretty hard counter

[sullen badge]

@radiant talon welcome to the ultimate buyers club

[radiant talon]

[lavish leaf]

By the way Battlefield 2042 missing a lot of mechanic

[torpid shuttle]

Hello

[radiant talon]

my friend was generous enough to give me some money (unprompted) so i could feel better about the price lol

[sullen badge]

Free money is always nice

[fresh holly]

Do you know the pepeloni?

[sullen badge]

Hello

[unborn cave]

A good friend you have

[radiant talon]

very yes

[upbeat sand]

for only 20 dollars more u can also get 3 skins that make you look like a dark edgy teen

with a evil dog

[fresh holly]

I'll be honest, V turned me of BF so hard I didn't even realize the "beta" (demo) was available until the last day it was up

*off

[mental umbra]

no thats the ulti edition not gold

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 | Hazard Zone Trailer
Premieres <t:1634223600:R>

[lavish leaf]

What Battlefield 2042 package you are getting.

[mental umbra]

Ulti

[lavish leaf]

the gold package is good enough

[fresh holly]

I'm not buying anything until I see that the game A) isn't a bugged out mess and B) Isn't shit

[mental umbra]

I want the artbook so the ulti was needed

[lavish leaf]

to be honest, me too I want the art book as well

[torpid shuttle]

Ultimate

[harsh furnace]

If u had fun just get it who cares about small bugs

[lavish leaf]

right now I am so worry about BF 2042, all the mechanic is missing 😦

[mental umbra]

I hopee its long, a bit of a risk but I like art and idk if they are selling it afterwards

the mechanics arnt missing its only a few things that are missing

and plenty of stuff added

[harsh furnace]

What mechanics you found missing

[lavish leaf]

too many

[fresh holly]

It's not missing anything, the issue is it looks like Call of Apex

[harsh furnace]

Bruh

[mental umbra]

there isnt that many mechanics missing bro like I can admit some stuff is gone but cmon

[lavish leaf]

immersive, requests ammo and med kit. down backward, commander mode. Weapon leaning and more

[haughty dagger]

the com rose wasn't in beta but will be in game

[radiant talon]

yes

[lavish leaf]

i can't list all at once together, because the sentence is too long, they blocked me

[radiant talon]

same with the map and chat

[mental umbra]

its plenty immersive. the com wheel wasnt working during beta but will at launch. lack of commander mode sucks but its whatever Im not affected

weapon leaning is definitely missed

[lavish leaf]

Where is fortification,Where is the damage hit point,Where is shoot grenada ,First person take down please

[harsh furnace]

It’s not ww game fortification makes no sense

[lavish leaf]

Weapon mountingWhere is stationary weapons missile launcher/ machine guns, Where is the Squad management, Where is Scoreboard, Where is the chat box.

[haughty dagger]

fortification makes sense for WWI and WWII not modern day combat. idk why people want that

[fresh holly]

If the game doesn't have a fucking com rose a month before release there's only two options: development has been fucked and they're rushing something out the door, or the game was rejigged into a more classic BF game from a prior BR game or something.

[lavish leaf]

I agree some point, but must be something.

[mental umbra]

I dont care about fortification thats not a core mechanic. shoot grenada? no one really cares about first person take down you arnt seeing it 90 percent of the time

[harsh furnace]

Scoreboard will be on full release a lot things were turned off cause it’s beta and they were working on it before putting in final branch

[fresh holly]

There's no reason basic UI shit shouldn't be in already unless something fucky is going on

[harsh furnace]

U would just see the back of ur enemy neck I guess people like kissing necks

[mental umbra]

they are adding stuff to the orbital map btw idk if its gonna be mounted guns but those would be good to have I wonder what their reasoning is for excluding htem

[lavish leaf]

Okay at least the most common things, squat teammate should be more than 4 people.

[real ether]

the old scoreboard is much better imo

[harsh furnace]

Nah 4 is good I don’t want more people in my ear screaming

[fresh holly]

Barely anyone actually talks in these games anymore anyway

[mental umbra]

I mean maybe 5 would be better I dont see a difference tho. I dont really see how all of these can completely kill your enjoyment of the game

[harsh hill]

i’m happy so you should be happy

[lavish leaf]

you we used to had 6 people in the squat

you know*

[harsh hill]

5-6 is nice

[harsh furnace]

True but everyone has mic now

[lavish leaf]

yup 5- 6 is nice

[harsh hill]

depends on who’s playing thi

[timid cosmos]

they don't use them much

[lavish leaf]

friends man! friends!

[dense mango]

n

[light flint]

I like smelling elevator

[timid cosmos]

most people just use discord for voice

[harsh furnace]

Friends you guys have friends?

[lavish leaf]

yea! it is been 10 years playing BF together!

[mental umbra]

no 😢

[harsh furnace]

Sadge

[light flint]

i got friends on bot server

[harsh hill]

i’m your friend

[harsh furnace]

Aww

[lavish leaf]

we can be friends

[earnest tinsel]

Battlefield Friends

[harsh hill]

now we talking

[earnest tinsel]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eSsc1K27gek&feature=youtu.be

That’s what I mean

[fresh holly]

BullFUCK you're friends

[mental umbra]

thanks guys haha could be cool to play at launch

[real ether]

this chat doesn't look the same as a week ago

[lavish leaf]

5 - 6 in the one squad is good

[earnest tinsel]

There’s not enough cod complainers in here

[mental umbra]

I love cod

[lavish leaf]

you just needs friends,

[harsh hill]

ikr so much less mad people

[earnest tinsel]

Squad of 10 game modes 👀

[harsh hill]

only a little less

[mental umbra]

very tasty

[real ether]

yes, now it feels good to have a conversation

[lavish leaf]

I have a good idea

[earnest tinsel]

I have my gripes with the beta but overall I’m not buying vanguard, even if you tempted me with BF2042 portal Beta

[lavish leaf]

how about we open a server BF portal

[harsh hill]

that’s a good idea

[lavish leaf]

10 player 5 v 5 Capture one Objective

[mental umbra]

yes this is a good idea

[harsh hill]

we can hop on whenever and stab each other with c5

[lavish leaf]

using BFBC2 map

[mental umbra]

what will it be set up like?

[earnest tinsel]

Make a 4 v 4 Orbital rooftop only game mode

[lavish leaf]

One tank and one jet (not helicopter)

[fresh holly]

BF1 competitive mode prototype flashbacks

[harsh hill]

fist only no walking or ban

[earnest tinsel]

Correct, jets are indeed not helicopters

[proven chasm]

Yeah battlefield fans definitely give second chances on promises in relationships

[lavish leaf]

i have so many good idea

[edgy eagle]

Guys

[harsh hill]

we got time

[edgy eagle]

Bf3 Russian engineer

[earnest tinsel]

Even if BF2042 turns out to be hot trash, worse than garbage Raccooneggs managed to get into, I’m still not buying vanguard

[mental umbra]

bf3 vs bc2 64 v 64 could be cool to run sometime too

[fresh holly]

Right but that doesn't mean you have to buy 2042

[earnest tinsel]

Because unlike cod, EA can deliver

[mental umbra]

wait no 32 v 32? depends on the maps

[earnest tinsel]

I’m siked for Battlefield Friends returning

Hyped

[proven chasm]

I was the first to forgive

[fresh holly]

Frankly I'm skeptical of COD, BF and Halo this year.

It just doesn't make sense to have hope anymore

[earnest tinsel]

Skeptical? Bro I ain’t giving that shit a chance

[mental umbra]

Ive never lost faith

[haughty dagger]

I guess you didn't play the flight test for Halo lol

[lavish leaf]

I have another good idea, 32 player helicopters vs anti-tank but only have 5 engineer to repair

[earnest tinsel]

Halo beta was best by a land slide tho

[earnest tinsel]

No

[harsh hill]

don’t lose hope farming sim 2043 is coming put too

[haughty dagger]

it felt like they could have released it right htere to be honest

[fresh holly]

@earnest tinsel I don't mean I'm gonna buy it to see, I mean I'm gonna let the rest of you be guinea pigs and I'll decide later

[graceful robin]

are all the future specialist gonna be free? has dice said anything

[mental umbra]

you have too high of expectations. nothing is perfect even previous games

[haughty dagger]

halo multiplayer is free though

[tropic granite]

i know i shouldnt but im still hoping for 2042 to be amazing

[lavish leaf]

Guys if Call of duty Warzone is free, Dice can do the same thing

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra Did say that. Hell I'll be the first to say that BF3 is worse than everyone says, BC2 wasn't Battlefield, 1 was better than 4 and BF2 was crap

*didn't

[mental umbra]

battlefield 1 wasnt perfect either tho

[haughty dagger]

All they had to do is call them "Class specialists" and no one would have raged

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra Again, I didn't say that

[lavish leaf]

the HZ will be the same thing, just like ' if you want to upgrade your guns faster, buy our game"

[tropic granite]

2042 is prob just gonna be a typical BF game

[mental umbra]

like none of these games are perfect or trash. its actually incredible they exist to begin with. youre expecting too much and not letting yourself actually enjoy the game

[earnest tinsel]

Same, even if it is good tho I ain’t buying it

[haughty dagger]

People want to be mad at something and so they have to grasp on 1 thing and scream "its bad and the game is ruined"

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra Incredible? They're made by EA, it's not a mircacle at all, they need their COD competitor

[lavish leaf]

Currently the most close to perfect one is Battlefield Bad Company 2

[upbeat swallow]

Lezz go hazard zone trailer in less than 12 hours

[little wedge]

I know but battlefield 2042 has more then a couple mistakes, the map is too big, there is bots everywhere which just stand, so many bugs and glitches, you can't know is a player an opponent or a friend, you can't ask for amo.

[fresh holly]

Bad Company 2 wasn't Battlefield

[mental umbra]

bro do you realize the technology behind these games?

[fresh holly]

Like it was a good game, but it wasn't Battlefield

[lavish leaf]

let's just say it is a Battlefield game

[haughty dagger]

I only played against bots during the 1st 2 days

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra Fancy graphics =/= well designed game

[mental umbra]

but they are well designed , maybe not in your opinion but plenty of people play them

[lavish leaf]

but! don't forget Battlefield 2142!

[little wedge]

It is not that bad but it is more like cod then battlefield.

[upbeat swallow]

Idk what y'all are on about but most of my matches had none/barely any bots

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra Well, ok, yeah. I know most people don't agree, that isn't my point.

[lavish leaf]

the Titan mode was really good!

[fresh holly]

2142 was great and people should have played it more

[lavish leaf]

people are still playing surprisingly!

[haughty dagger]

everyone that plays cod says BF is nothing like COD idk why people think its slike COD when people that play COD don't even think its close

[tropic granite]

dang, seriously?

i new they were making BF2 mods

[lavish leaf]

But using different net worth

Network

[tropic granite]

yes

[lavish leaf]

yup! Battlefield 2142 is still alive, even EA shut down the server. so people created one

[tropic granite]

i played before i realized how long i was gonna have to play to unlock anything modern

yea

[little wedge]

I play bf1 and bf4, bf 2042 is nowhere near them.

[tropic granite]

game is fun but the grinding is way too much

[lavish leaf]

me since Battlefield 2

2005

[tropic granite]

lmao

i played on mac

controls?

[arctic grove]

https://youtu.be/eSsc1K27gek

[tropic granite]

or just players

[fresh holly]

Imagine playing a Russian game

[flat grail]

holy shit imagine if they remade operation locker in battlefield 2042

[tropic granite]

bruh

[fresh holly]

Like seriously, every single Russian game is p2w garbage

[lavish leaf]

that would be wonderful

[tropic granite]

shut up

[lavish leaf]

I love operation

[fresh holly]

It's true whether you like it or not

[flat grail]

64v64 lmaoo imagine the chaos at C

[tropic granite]

its true but most of them are still fun

[fresh holly]

In my book, p2w can never be fun

[tropic granite]

it can be annoying but still fun

[fresh holly]

I absolutely refuse to play it

[lavish leaf]

no, my favourite game is Raid Shadow Legends

[mental umbra]

no the devs of warthunder are literally being investigated

[timid cosmos]

play DCS then

[tropic granite]

P2W or warthunder specifically?

[fresh holly]

War Thunder, WoT, Tarkov, any of them

[mental umbra]

lmfao my bad didnt mean to reply

[lavish leaf]

🤣

[tropic granite]

i am excited for new stalker game

[lavish leaf]

shut up, raid shadow legends is the game

[next onyx]

Is it cause of the whole tank schematics thing or something else?

[lavish leaf]

hahahaha

[tropic granite]

first one since 2010

[lavish leaf]

😂

I am noob69

[fresh holly]

It's funny how they boxed themselves into a corner with BF4 by making the Russians the "real" villains with the proto-2142 tech

When it should have been the Chinese

[mental umbra]

do you mean the bf universe chinese or irl chinese

[lavish leaf]

Chinese security law is no joke

because I am from HK

Hong Kong

I hate the law, I left my City

[tropic granite]

🇭🇰

[next onyx]

I mean, bf4 multi is non Canon.

[lavish leaf]

my heart is broken

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra BF universe. China plays second fiddle to Russia in BF like it's 1950

[haughty dagger]

I played BF3/BF4/BF1/BFV/BF2 and they are all different from each other i don't get your point.

[next onyx]

It makes no sense for China to fight the Russians when they were allied with them by the end.

[tropic granite]

BF3 Iran was pretty cool IMO

[lavish leaf]

yup makes no sense

[pure spoke]

Ideological views differentiate between the different rulers

[fresh holly]

I don't remember anymore, did the PAC troops in 2142 speak Russian or Mandarin?

[next onyx]

Hell, there's no sense in it fighting the U.S assuming the Valkyrie survived.

[lavish leaf]

yes

English and Russian for sure

it is very weird

[next onyx]

So in a sense. The u.s never discovered the secret Russian bases (final stand)

[fresh holly]

Yeah see that whole thing where Russia is the PAC leader isn't gonna age well

[tropic granite]

bf4 final stand was great

[mental umbra]

final stand never happened?

[next onyx]

It was a love letter to 2142

[lavish leaf]

2142 was a really good ganme

[fresh holly]

I just want 2143

[next onyx]

The u.s finding the experimental equipment never happened.

[fresh holly]

I've wanted it since BF3 came out

[tropic granite]

bf42 is next

[next onyx]

But it wouldn't be dumb to think that everything there was canon

[lavish leaf]

remember back to the days, we have to destroy 4 security room in Titan mode

takes really long time

[mental umbra]

ohh dang this is fascinating is there a place to read all of this or do I have to play campaigns?

[tropic granite]

mechs and a literal prototype titan in 2021

[fresh holly]

It really doesn't matter

BF4's campaign is garbage

[mental umbra]

I want battlefield 2242

[pure spoke]

To be fair, there are already mechanized prototypes in existence

[tropic granite]

nobody disagrees

[fresh holly]

The Final Stand DLC is what sets up 2142

[next onyx]

The titans were only operational into the 2130's

[lavish leaf]

I am pretty sure the next Battlefield game should be 2143 or something about 2142

[next onyx]

Alongside the PAC

[grizzled jungle]

So recommend gpu is 3060Ti? xD

[tropic granite]

i wish they went into more detail about the second assault thing

[grizzled jungle]

Recommended*

[next onyx]

You can look up the equipment and factions lsd

[white geyser]

If they made a sequel of BF 2142 they need to come up a new title for the sequel

[mental umbra]

would be some wild stuff especially if they keep the modern look and combine it with future tech, I dont know what 2142 looked like though and if they would keep that artstyle

[next onyx]

2143 wouldn't be a bad bet to be honest. They've been literring it around. Why not use it.

[timid cosmos]

bf 4242

[tropic granite]

BF 4242424242424242424242424242

[mental umbra]

space battlefield

[lavish leaf]

2143 we have been asking for about 10 years since BF3's easter egg

[fresh holly]

Because they're terrified of their Bad Company 2 Modern Military fanbase flipping out at anything that's not modern

[pure spoke]

40k Battlefield

[fresh holly]

Because they inevitably do

[tropic granite]

3?

[lavish leaf]

Yup!

[white geyser]

The sequel for 2142 has to be few years from 2142

[next onyx]

Growing up with battletech makes me want to pilot a walker so badly in a modern battlefield.

[mental umbra]

I dream of a 40k battlefieldesque game that would be somethin else

[lavish leaf]

BF3 has Battlefield 2142 easter egg

[tropic granite]

wdym? Final Stand is in BF4

[lavish leaf]

was a small playing ship something

[tropic granite]

BF3 was the one where US invaded Iran

[next onyx]

You know. I would love it if we could get a dead space helmet on 2042

[white geyser]

If they finally decide to make another bad company game I would be happy, but we might not get what we expected like bad company 2 did

[mental umbra]

YO I didnt know I needed that until now

[next onyx]

Considering they're remaking dead space it would be cool if they did a crossover event

[lavish leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dmYADg7_8M

[mental umbra]

imagine the full suit as a cosmetic

[tropic granite]

Bad company should be left behind

[lavish leaf]

not really

[next onyx]

They referenced dead space in bf3 cause one of the mannequins had the helmet Isaac used.

I think in aftermath?

[timid cosmos]

instead make good company

[tropic granite]

i would rather have it be this than an ass BFBC3

[lavish leaf]

At least they are using is protal

there has a chance

[white geyser]

I still want the double barrel shotgun from doom and I can rip and tear

[tropic granite]

portal will be sick

im sure of it

[fresh holly]

I have this feeling Portal won't be as freeform as they're implying

[mental umbra]

Id pay money for that they might as well, thats a huge opportunity to sell a lot of helmets

[white geyser]

I wouldn't say that

[tropic granite]

shut

[lavish leaf]

what do you mean sick? you mean good?

[tropic granite]

no pestimism about portal

spelig

[fresh holly]

I'll have pessimism about the entire damn game thank you very much

[white geyser]

Yeah good, if you say sick either the person not feeling good or something cool and amazing

[tropic granite]

i dont need people saying portal is gonna be bad yet

i can understand 2042

[lavish leaf]

i see

[tropic granite]

but HZ and Portal cant be talked about

[next onyx]

Im a bit pessimistic for portal because I live in OCE. It's either badmins or just your server is barely played.

[lavish leaf]

guys lets just keep your expectation low, all we have to do just tell DICE what to do

[tropic granite]

rip

[lavish leaf]

by the way, DICE sanding Survey about Battlefield 2042 beta

[tropic granite]

what

[lavish leaf]

yup

[next onyx]

The increased player count should help but still

[tropic granite]

where?

[lavish leaf]

today

[mental umbra]

its okay you have bots ! yay...

[next onyx]

Yeah I don't understand why they didn't make the survey an open one

[fresh holly]

Also fuck HZ, that's just them trying to get in on BR again

They're gonna fail just like last time

[next onyx]

They said it isn't a br.

[lavish leaf]

i am serious, they mention about the specialist class system

[tropic granite]

idrc about HZ im done with any br type games

[next onyx]

Run all the assumptions you want until we actually know what it is.

[tropic granite]

WZ was cancer

after S6

[next onyx]

War zone was fun for the first day or three. Afterwards it was just meta loadouts and just no.

[lavish leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru8VJhc0_4Y that's for you

[fresh holly]

I hate BRs. I'd rather a deathmatch arena.

[next onyx]

I got my Aug to Max level and that's all I did

[mental umbra]

Im so suprised they did away with 32 v 32 ground war

[next onyx]

I love the idea of a br but the boom just leaves people more worn of it.

We had fortnite which was the most popular, then warzone.

[tropic granite]

i didnt really like specialists mainly because they arent faction specific

[mental umbra]

that was wild I bought MW2019 jus for that

[lavish leaf]

we will see, hope they will change

[lavish leaf]

.

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra Large scale battles don't work in COD. It just turns into a constant killstreak fest.

[next onyx]

Honestly when i play games I look forward to the guns I can shoot.

[mental umbra]

thats why it was fun tho

[fresh holly]

Now maybe if you got rid of killstreaks that wouldn't be an issue, but they're never going to do that.

[lavish leaf]

I just want to play as a normal unknow soldier

[next onyx]

Modern warfare had the damn Aug para, the scar, the AK47.

That would have gotten me playing the game if it weren't for the sbmm.

[tropic granite]

same honestly but i can understand specialists

[haughty dagger]

its easy. Its a class but with a name

[fresh holly]

The specialist shit is dumb. They're desperately trying to do the hero shooter thing thinking that will sell more skins or something.

[lavish leaf]

I mean you can make specialists, but please just copy BF1

or BFV

[tropic granite]

ik i just prefer regular classes

[mental umbra]

oh it was awesome didnt feel anything like battlefield but kept that chaotic feel and the rush of pushing an objective with a huge group

[haughty dagger]

its literally a class with a class gadget

[fresh holly]

Honestly BF shouldn't have classes anymore, just have a weight limit and type limits and let people pick whatever.

[tropic granite]

i know what they are

[next onyx]

I don't care about specialists but they could have done more effort in the cosmetic side for telling them apart.

If they bring a new way to play the game cool.

[fresh holly]

If you want a sniper rifle and medpack go for it. But you don't get claymores then.

[arctic grove]

Yea also as long as they keep their promise and don’t charge for core aspects the specialists aren’t an issue for me

[pure spoke]

Specialists do two things: Spread confusion, and take away from teamplay.

[lavish leaf]

Actually I rather team play more then super solider

[mental umbra]

thats crazy you could always have claymores in bf4 with a sniper, and regenerate health

[lavish leaf]

you know friendship

[arctic grove]

How you gonna team play with 64 teammates when you can’t speak to 60 of them

[fresh holly]

That's supposed to be the commander's job

[lavish leaf]

just play with your squat mate,

[mental umbra]

like whats the issue with a sniper med pack and claymore that doesnt really sound game breaking

or even anything to be mad about like what

[lavish leaf]

yup, 100%

[arctic grove]

this is factually false. I get you dont like specialists. But don't lie to assert your claim.

[next onyx]

It's not like dice is gonna stick to specialists forever anyways.

[pure spoke]

What's to lie about? Go on, try to invalidate my statement

[next onyx]

What they should do is keep gadgets class specific but make weapons for every class.

[tropic granite]

idrc about that i just cant stand how everyone looks the same and i cant tell who is using what

[pure spoke]

Everyone looks the bloody same for one,

And the other, not everyone wants to run around with ammo and health.

[next onyx]

I like knowing who has an ammo box and who has a medic box.

[pure spoke]

That too

[next onyx]

With specialists you can't tell.

That's my issue

[pure spoke]

I don't know who the hell has ammo and stuff, and half the time I shoot my own teammates

[arctic grove]

That's easy. They kept all the teamplay mechanics from BF3+4 except for suppression, and they introduced tons of specialist specific gadgets that work well with teamplay. EVERYONE has the option to take medic box, ammo crate, or repair tool. And EVERYONE can revive squad members.

Being a self healing sniper with unlimited ammo and a rocket launcher just seems a bit ridiculous

[mental umbra]

cosmetics are gonna be a thing for sure to make you look different. and i feel like they will add the ability to see if someone has ammo or health

[tropic granite]

boston dynamics

[haughty dagger]

they just need to add an icon in the squad and above a friendly player what equipment they're using

[mental umbra]

hopefully even grab ammo and health I miss that for sure

[haughty dagger]

instead of the blue dot

[arctic grove]

Boston dynamics combat doggo.

I read somewhere that they are adding lights or something so you know who is who

[next onyx]

I was literally about to mention your idea taxes

[pure spoke]

But here's the thing, specialists are not obligated to take these gadgets

[lavish leaf]

How about sniper is a specialist with better stuff, other people only can be marksman

[arctic grove]

so, logically speaking, you are incorrect, or being purposefully ignorant because you dont like specialists.

[lavish leaf]

How about sniper is a specialist with better stuff, other people only can be marksman

[fresh holly]

At this point, you could make the argument that ammo management in BF is a formality given that, in theory, you're supposed to be able to resupply infinitely from crates. So at that point, why not just make your ammo pool infinite and have your main impediment be reload speed?

[arctic grove]

Actually, Specialists dont have a choice in the gadgets they're assigned with, but they do have the choice to take the general gadgets.

[mental umbra]

no. I like using the grapple to get to high places with the sniper

[next onyx]

I always questioned that but then why should i ever drop an ammo box

I don't mind i have to drop an ammo box, so be it. It's not like it gets me killed.

[tropic granite]

simple math ngl

[haughty dagger]

I mean the Kasper guy can disable vehicles with EMP. Seems pretty Teamplay gadget to me

[tropic granite]

Spot + M2HB

[next onyx]

Coordination wise yes

[pure spoke]

Laninal, I can take my statement for granted because I happened to be an assault package with a Javelin rocket and no support equipment.

[arctic grove]

I think its silly to make players play the way you want.

[lavish leaf]

sily is not fun

[haughty dagger]

everyone here that has recently played BF4 or BF1/BFV knows there is very little PUB team play unless you go in with friends to begin with

[pure spoke]

If Thats an option to choose, then not everyone will grab a medic bag and ammo pack though some will

[arctic grove]

Let's be honest: Boston dynamics probably made a military variant, similar to what we have in 2042.

[pure spoke]

There are no designated medics to go to in a pinch

[arctic grove]

and yet, only 2 specialists in the entire lineup are only selfish.

[tropic granite]

ye

[haughty dagger]

theres already memes out with the BF2042 dog and the real one

[arctic grove]

Literally every specialist (including those unrevealed) have massive teamplay gadgets baked in

[mental umbra]

launchers are team oriented though. if you dont take out armor or air your team isnt gonna do well

[fresh holly]

The dog is a stupid meme that reminds me of Ghosts

[next onyx]

My issue at the moment is that a class like falcke is more selfish than she actually is.

[pure spoke]

But if you don't have the men to take out that armor, then what's the point?

[arctic grove]

Knowing It's the US Military: they probably got all kinds of weapons, we can't even imagine.

[next onyx]

Her syringe gun needs to revive people.

[arctic grove]

Do you honestly think throwing down a healing/ammo box is such a gigantic stroke of a teamwork that you're completely ignoring the specialist gadgets that far exceed that?

Really man?

[lavish leaf]

I would say Irish is the only one can be called the specialize

[next onyx]

There should also be a larger hit box for her syringe gun on teammates

[pure spoke]

I played through 10 matches in the beta and not a single revive. I ran out of ammo through all of those matches because no one handed out ammo

[tropic granite]

DOG MODEL

[mental umbra]

like instantly too, not the 2 second thing but like bf4 defib time

[pure spoke]

Everyone ran out on their own terms

[haughty dagger]

everything is going to automation or unmanned so a lot of the stuff we see isn't even modern. Im surprised at the lack of drones/UAV in BF2042 tbh.

[arctic grove]

in the beta CASPER has the most valued teamplay ability by far. His drone EMP removes vehicles abilities to smokescreen and flare, and removing all their other abilities.

[pure spoke]

There were no indicators either to tell you if someone needed ammo

[white geyser]

If you hear your teammates yelling for ammo you better give them ammo box if you chose the ammo on the load out and if you kill enemy players you can pick up the ammo

[next onyx]

Mackays nimble perk as well should be a gun perk.

[arctic grove]

AND it spots people.

[lavish leaf]

I think Irish is the specialize

[fresh holly]

It would help if reviving wasn't such a clunky fucking mess

[next onyx]

They can make up have faster air traversal, mantle over objects faster, etc

[tropic granite]

its a beta but holy fuck

[haughty dagger]

Yes a UI issue not a specialist issue.

[arctic grove]

Irish has a trophy system and barricades

[arctic grove]

this

[next onyx]

I didn't know who needed meds or ammo

[tropic granite]

half the goddamn time you just picked up their gun

[arctic grove]

Knowing the year this new battlefield is set in: I'm suprised, aswell. I thought we'd see alot more automomus weapons/UAVs.

[next onyx]

So I reserved it for myself

[pure spoke]

My point is, I have no qualms with how people play, but the idea of specialists is not for battlefield

[haughty dagger]

remove the ability to swap weapons while someone is waiting for a revive and its fixed

[arctic grove]

im just shocked how people who want teamwork, are ignorant of the fact that specialists provide way more teamwork than classes ever did

Like, i dont get it. Are their brains just shutting down?

[tropic granite]

they dont tho

[next onyx]

If there were team specific specialists would you even have a problem?

[arctic grove]

They have specialists to sell skins. That's it.

[fresh holly]

They don't though

[lavish leaf]

by the way, where is the third person respond in the game

[arctic grove]

They. Literally. Do.

[pure spoke]

When's the last time you saw Casper use his recon droid?

[pulsar sorrel]

Explain...

[tropic granite]

please explain how

[arctic grove]

ALL of the battlefield mechanics are there minus suppression. + the new stuff from the specialists only gadgets.

[haughty dagger]

allowing only 1 gadget free choice actually forces more teamwork too. idk how adding more gadget slots makes more teamwork it actually makes solo play more viable

[white geyser]

Why do need to swap weapons after being revived? DICE fix that shit

[mental umbra]

honestly who really needed health and ammo that much tho? being able to swap calibers and regen health fast means ammo and health arnt as valuable now

[fresh holly]

It's mostly a psychological thing.

[next onyx]

Everyone needed ammo

[pure spoke]

Let me rephrase, that you didn't put up?

[next onyx]

We need resupply stations back

[arctic grove]

Everybody need bullets.

[mental umbra]

which frees up more fun equipment to use

[arctic grove]

This game should be free

[arctic grove]

That'll slow it down.

[next onyx]

Nah

[tropic granite]

problem is, when you give everyone access to the same pool of gadgets, they all use armor plate and RPG

[pure spoke]

I don't care so much for the gadgets as I want the two most valuable items on the game: Health and ammo

[mental umbra]

even with 2 sometimes 3 other sets of bullets?

[haughty dagger]

I ran ammo box and stayed near D sector or C sector and spammed that on CD.

[arctic grove]

I really dislike resupply stations.

[pure spoke]

You cannot fight a prolonged battle without people giving ammo and health

[white geyser]

Do not forget to give ammo and health box for your teammates when you hear them yelling

[tropic granite]

nobody played ammo or med pack

[mental umbra]

ammo resupplys would be nice tho

[haughty dagger]

resuply stations removes teamwork lol

[next onyx]

I ran out of ammo lots with both supplies with my ak24

[arctic grove]

What u mean “nobody” I do

If I wanted ammo so much, I could get an ammo box.

[true canyon]

any one else game bugged and saw other specialists?

[lavish leaf]

Also grenadeAlso grenade

[pure spoke]

Resupply stations were originally for vehicles

[fresh holly]

Having to rely on teammates for ammo is precisely why I think we should either have ammo stations or infinite ammo.

[tropic granite]

99.999999999999999999%

[pure spoke]

Vehicles need ammo and repairs

[arctic grove]

You still have your boxes of ammo and healing, your repair tools. Those are still in. Then you get Caspers drone that spots and EMP's vehicles, maria's healing gun and defib, irishes trophy system and barricades, sundances Smart Bombs (the emp one and anti armor one specifically), Ballastic Shields, Armor Kit Revive, Loadouit Kit deployment that gives your entire team fully ammo and armor, Wallhacks from the korean lady, Hacking players to disable their abilities.

[pure spoke]

If there's no engineer nearby,

[fresh holly]

They realized this back in 1942 and in V, I don't know why they won't do it

[pure spoke]

Where do you get your ammo?

[arctic grove]

Like there's so much shit, it's making me so sad how you guys just dont see this

[arctic grove]

Hell nah. I’m the best medic combat in BF2 with all the badges 😂

[mental umbra]

oh damn you survived a long time then, i guess you could pick up other peoples guns but that sucks to have to do that anyways

[arctic grove]

I want you to at least make proper arguments, not just lying or being ignorant of things.

[arctic grove]

Then I will be a sundance main, or korean hacker lady main.

[tropic granite]

Alright, I back down

[arctic grove]

there's another guy but i forget what he does.

[tropic granite]

you're right

[arctic grove]

its just that the beta didnt paint it in the best light, because we got the literal 2 only selfish speicalists in the entire game

[tropic granite]

I guess they do provide the tools to work together

[fresh holly]

Anyway it's obvious the specialist thing is just a gambit to sell lootboxes. There's no reason to split all the gadgets between a zillion different individual soldiers otherwise.

[haughty dagger]

If spotting worked and Ping system worked in beta with a good UI showing your friendlies vs Foe no one would be bitching about specialists (aka classes)

[arctic grove]

Boris and MacKay

My day one mains: Sundance, Irish, Mackay, Espinoza, and others.

[pure spoke]

Laninal, why do you accuse people of ignorance for stating opinions based off of our own experiences when we are entitled to our opinions?

[mental umbra]

woah holy fuck. why havnt they announced this like so many people would stop complaining

[tropic granite]

wtf is espinozas gadget

[white geyser]

I hate limited ammo for the vehicles in BFV it was so stupid and idiotic idea they ever put in the game, I'm glad in BF 2042 they brought back infinite ammo for the armored vehicles no need to resupply like BFV

[arctic grove]

because dice sucks at marketing

[arctic grove]

Judging by gameplay snippets: riot shield.

[tropic granite]

oh cool

[pure spoke]

My opinion on the matter is bring back classes. They are a tried and true concept that are more efficient than specialists outside their niches

[arctic grove]

Tried and True concepts are boring. You want tried and true? Play Doom on DOS.

[tropic granite]

i do feel like classes are a better way than specialists

[haughty dagger]

if they were so tried and true then why do they keep changing what weapons each class can use between the iterations of games?

[plain maple]

speicialists aren't bad, but they arent as good as class system like in bf1 and 5 as well as other ones

[mental umbra]

nah change just has to happen I dont want to play the same roles with the same type of equipment

[arctic grove]

I never played BF1 or BF5, i played all the others though.

[fresh holly]

Splitting the classes into a few dozen specialists doesn't actually change anything except make the UI clunkier and allow them to justify an assload of skins to sell you.

[tropic granite]

class system in general, not weapons.

[arctic grove]

I really despise world war games.

[fresh holly]

So it's not like this is some major innovation

[pure spoke]

Not the weapons you dolt

Just the idea of classes

[tropic granite]

i liked BF3 and 4 assault class best

[fresh holly]

@arctic grove And I really despise modern games

[arctic grove]

I think youj guys are actually going to be happy once you see what you're going to get.

[mental umbra]

I never want to be locked to medic class again just because I like healing myself. I hate that, its horrible. I feel like Im always sacrificing something to get something else, and now thats just easier

[next onyx]

Specialists aren't gonna stay round for ever though..
Personally I think as I said earlier. Gadgets should be locked behind classes and most of the guns should be all kit.

[haughty dagger]

Specialist are literally classes just different name and now they have an actual persons name tied to them

[white geyser]

I like BF4 has more weapons and more weapons attachment for the vehicles

[arctic grove]

I think most of your complaints will go out the window about specialists. They're literally just classes but better.

There's only one problem im going to have with them, and thats balance.

That's a big concern of mine.

[tropic granite]

BF3 and BF4 had best customization

[fresh holly]

They're not classes but better, they're classes but clunkier and filled with microtransations

[next onyx]

Yeah balance wise, Mackay for me is the worst offender.

[pure spoke]

Taxes, in the game we have "packages"

[glad ether]

I’ve been hearing about the reconsideration about the specialists!😃 they should only be in hazard zone, by the way for multiplayer there should just be bf4 classes please, and bring back sprint crouching, ADS leaning(no idea why you guys removed that one) and explosion fall back animations, also I don’t think you’ll be able to use faction uniforms for the specialists when there’s purchasable skins, so that won’t work because then the skins will get a uniform? Also please bring back first person takedowns(:

[late lotus]

What do you mean by reconsideration?

[arctic grove]

Clunkier implies its slower or obtuse, when they're not. They're pretty streamlined and specific in what they do, and offer you the ability to choose 1 general gadget.

[haughty dagger]

the packages were like preset loadouts. you could have changed literally anything in those....

[next onyx]

Bf5 was filled with microtransactions for all four factions. Infact with this games there's gonna be even less of that.

[tropic granite]

yea thats probably best

[pure spoke]

That's the damn point, taxes

[mental umbra]

there is no reconsideration. go to portal for classes.

[pure spoke]

Everything and anything

[next onyx]

They need to tweak nimble a bit

[fresh holly]

Any game made with controllers in mind will lack leaning because there's no buttons with which to do it

[pure spoke]

There were no obligations for you to run ammo and health

[arctic grove]

So then don't.

[next onyx]

Bf5 did really well for leaning though.

[white geyser]

In BF4 the obliteration match it was fun, but I wish more people playing it I hardly found players playing obliteration match

[pure spoke]

If we got a entire team of rocket launcher toting rambos, what the hell is the point?

[next onyx]

You can literally go ads and press RS, You will lean in the direction you were moving in.

[fresh holly]

Right but then what's even the point if all you're doing is shuffling around stuff that already exists into multiple UI tabs? Like this doesn't actually change anything.

[arctic grove]

Because you wont ever have a entire team of toting rambos

[mental umbra]

to kill armor and aircraft better?

[pure spoke]

Now where will you get the ammo for em?

[tropic granite]

i remember an obliteration and rush server on ps4, i might be able to send it

[pure spoke]

When you run out of ammo, who will give you the ammo if no one runs it?

[arctic grove]

......so you don't think a wingsuit changes anything? Or a Sentry gun? Grappling hook? Barricades?

[mental umbra]

why do we have to drop health and ammo anyways I like the other gadgets more, I only run both of them because i need to

[haughty dagger]

someone that is playing ammo box...you know TEAM WORK that you're talking about

[light path]

are servers down?

[haughty dagger]

thats why 1 gadget is actually good

[pure spoke]

That are you not obligated to carry

[light path]

i can't play the beta

[fresh holly]

@mental umbra How does any of that stuff require specialists instead of classes?

[next onyx]

If they add visual cues to who is carrying ammo thatd be fine.

[tropic granite]

it ended on the 9th

[plain maple]

mans really asking 4 days after it ended 💀

[pure spoke]

That too, visual cues

[light path]

only 2 days for the beta?

[mental umbra]

Im just saying we dont need ammo boxes or medic boxes. the other equipment is more useful. nothing about specialists or classes

[plain maple]

yes

[tropic granite]

yea

[light path]

i didn't even get to try it out

[unreal bone]

Can i uninstall the bf 2042 beta?

[haughty dagger]

they just need to add the icon of the equipment the person has above their head and then have it flash to med/ammo when they request either

[tropic granite]

oof

[light path]

i want a refund

[plain maple]

yes @light path

[late lotus]

it was trash you weren't missing out on anything

[tropic granite]

it was free?

[mental umbra]

unless you run out of ammo often then jus run ammo I suppose, its there if you need it

[light path]

still wasted my time by downloading it

[late lotus]

it takes 15 min at most to download it

[arctic grove]

well, in either case, you're going to be dragged kicking and screaming into 2042, you'll either not pay for it or pay for it and discover you acutally like it.

[plain maple]

wdym trash, it was solid. Dont just say it was trash at least give some positive feedbacl

[pure spoke]

You keep saying we'll like it Laninal, are you a psychic?

Do we not have our preferences?

[tropic granite]

really loved the tornadoes

[arctic grove]

Cause most of what's been going on here, is theorycrafting and making claims based upon a really uinfinsihed product.

[plain maple]

like the people that just say game is shit because it is shit are 🤡

if ur gonna shit on a game at least give feedback

[pure spoke]

That is the foundation of the finished game that we are fully entitled to criticize

[mental umbra]

you only keep yourself from liking it, jus dont focus on what isnt there, focus on what is there because theres a lot to enjoy despite the negatives

[arctic grove]

"i hate specialists, give classes back" that's the feedback

[plain maple]

like what they could do better, what they should keep

[mental umbra]

you can give negative feedback and still enjoy a game

[pure spoke]

There is a lot to enjoy, just give me classes.

[fresh holly]

My issue is not the specialists

[tropic granite]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield-gif-21904440

[plain maple]

thats literally all of the negative

[haughty dagger]

There is portal for that

[arctic grove]

thats what they keep saying

[fresh holly]

My issue is that it's probably going to be a bugged out mess and that it plays like Apex

[plain maple]

yea

[pure spoke]

Classes have proven to be efficient for gameplay and will give an overall more enjoyable gaming experience for everyone

[arctic grove]

Battlefield plays NOTHING like Apex.

[plain maple]

one tiny issue and they complain like a toddler

[mental umbra]

Bro. Portal.

[arctic grove]

What the hell.

You ever played Apex Legends?

[plain maple]

that is true, but really eventually we will get used to it

[late lotus]

sorry, just my personal view. I thought the guns felt the same, the specialist system was weird for me, the air vehicles were terrible to control, the map was too big for 128 players and was pretty bad overall, and finally destruction was non-existent.

[haughty dagger]

They are in the game. Just play portal for that classic class based combat you're talkinga bout

where you can literally play with classes and on the 2042 maps which is no different from AOW

[mental umbra]

Portal. you have classes. Its right there. Look at it please

like how are people missing this Im so confused

[pure spoke]

Which I probably will play portal, but keep in mind, I'm still giving this feedback with the beta in mind in which portal was not present and thus giving my criticism based on the experiences there

[fresh holly]

@arctic grove Soon as I saw people running around with their gun in one hand fast as a speeding car and sliding like theyre in a John Woo movie I was like "Fuck. This."

[plain maple]

there u go. People criticise like that. I actually agree with most of that (particularly the air vehicle controls which they need to completely overhaul). Destruction will come in the full game trust

[arctic grove]

I have a feeling that if DICE removed the names of the specialists, replaced those names with Class names, and turned them into classes, then skinned them to look like "Soldier dudes with no names" people wouldn't be so ragey about all this. Which i think is sad.

A lot of these arguments are just either false, or grasping.

[plain maple]

yea if they called the specialist system class system, this argument wouldnt be here

[pure spoke]

In your opinion, false. False is a term in the statement of fact

[arctic grove]

It really wouldn't be.

Oh well, I'm going to play some games. Not trying to educate stubborn people why their assertions are factually false.

[haughty dagger]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgzyx6qh0NE&t=1s what you can do with Portal...

[light flint]

mommy

[pure spoke]

I'm already aware of portal, do not lecture me on it.

I'm not in the greatest of moods

[mental umbra]

They have literally given you what you want.

[pure spoke]

Again, stated with the beta in mind

[sullen flame]

bf 2042 the best game evaaaaa

[haughty dagger]

lmao doesn't sound like it based on your previous statement brother

[mental umbra]

portal has exactly what youve been complaining about. and no shit it wasnt in the beta

[vestal lichen]

2 big reveals today at the same time
gonna check both of em out

[arctic grove]

If you pay attention to why there mad it's because the design of it.....DICE never done specialist thing before

[plain maple]

just stop complaining abut specialist system. Like ngl with u bro i agree it is worse, but slightly. It throws teamwork out the window, but eventually people will get used to it

specialist is just a thing we need to adapt to

[haughty dagger]

it doesn't throw teamwork out the window lmao. people just need to learn how to use them correctly. It literally promotes teamwork

[pure spoke]

Maybe I am getting heated, but I should be able to criticize the specialist system and not have people say my opinion on them is false

[plain maple]

yea. For now it will, but later on it will start to work as people will understand

[light flint]

Boris is a class btw

[plain maple]

anyways battlefield literally had no teamwork in previous games

so this game is no differnet

unless ur playing with friends

[pure spoke]

People didn't help build fortifications in BFV? People didn't give you ammo?

[arctic grove]

It should be like bf4 carrying 2 gadget like McKay the ammo guy and Boris the vehicle/gadget repair and maria the health/armour and Casper recon dude

[mental umbra]

because it is you played less than half a game and want to critisize less than half a specialist system

[haughty dagger]

saying "x is better than Y" is not criticism its just an opinion. Criticism would be like "allowing all gadgets available to all players effects possible balance of maps and teamwork"

[pure spoke]

Do you know my original statement on the matter was that started this entire argument?

[plain maple]

critciism is saying something wrong and what they could do better about it

[arctic grove]

It did throw out team play

[mental umbra]

the specialist system in the beta was not so great because the game was meant to have 10 specialists.

[late lotus]

A minor complaint, but it feels weird seeing all of these people that look exactly the same run around and kill identical enemies of each other instead of a broad, nameless soldier where groups of them feel like you could interpret them in a lot of different ways instead of them being clones.

[plain maple]

but teamplay will start to build once they add voice chat etc

[desert elbow]

Broad lmao, there's already more variety than the BF4 models

[haughty dagger]

it didn't though.

[desert elbow]

You're right though, it is weird seeing people with the same uniform on both sides

[pure spoke]

"Specialists do two things, spread confusion and take away from teamplay"

[plain maple]

yea another thing they could improve about specialists, a minor issue but i bet they can easily change that by adding like name plates above the enemy

[plain maple]

second one no

[arctic grove]

You don't get it when I was playing beta nobody throw ammo down or use team play

[plain maple]

teamplay sucked in the beta due to no voice chat

[dense torrent]

voice chat would be definitely be a great addition again

[pure spoke]

My point exactly Castle

[late lotus]

I come from mostly the 2017 battlefront 2, so I guess seeing identical faces is odd compared to seeing identical helmets

[mental umbra]

you only know of half the specialist system.

[pure spoke]

No one threw down any ammo whatsover

[plain maple]

if they have voice chat teamplay will be fixed with specialists

[pure spoke]

What's the other half, then?

[arctic grove]

There was voice chat I was talking to peeps

[haughty dagger]

they don't take away from teamplay though. not sure how you think it does when each specialist offered something different and helped in a team play way. McKay is probably the selfies specialist and i think more people played him because grapple hook was new to the franchise

[plain maple]

no there wasnt.

u needed friends on discord or in a party chat

[mental umbra]

so you cant say with absolute certainty how it will be on release. just like I cant say with certainty that it will be fully balanced on launch

[mental umbra]

the other 6 specialists???

[arctic grove]

Lol I legit heard voices in game

[plain maple]

at launch specialists will be really good

[pure spoke]

Oh that, other specialists,

Not the system

[plain maple]

there wasnt. I and many other people around the world saw no voice chat

there wasnt. Maybe u were in a party with ur friedns

[haughty dagger]

yeah there was no chat for me voip and chat/com rose available

[mental umbra]

the other specialists are literally the other half of the system tf are you on dude

[pure spoke]

My main gripe is that if you have selfish teammates, you can't get anything done

Not every player is compelled to help their teammates

[haughty dagger]

dude this is every battlefield not just because of specialists

load up BF4 or BF1 and you'll see people doing this same shit

[mental umbra]

but you wont, some people will help and some people wont thats just games

[arctic grove]

It was a bug thou lol pretty common in BETA

[scenic tartan]

Specialists should just be squad leaders, the rest of the squad is regular classes

[plain maple]

teamplay was irrelevant even in old battlefields

[obsidian zinc]

what would be the Kolibri and Liberator equivalent in 2042?

[haughty dagger]

people will sit back in spawn with recon and just snipe and do nothing for the team

[pure spoke]

But at least when people were playing support, they actually helped people

They passed around ammo and shit

[mental umbra]

You wanna control everyone elses role and how they play the game?? thats wild dude you must be trolling

[desert elbow]

Ammo crates were literally the third most popular gadget in the beta

[arctic grove]

What's your W/L ratio

[haughty dagger]

dude i played ammo box the whole beta and spammed it.

[plain maple]

well that is the only roast u can come up with, my win loss ratio

[mental umbra]

I got plenty of health from people too so idk what game yall are playing

[desert elbow]

That's including the grapple hook, sentry and casper's drone

[pure spoke]

If they were so popular, I must have gotten the short stick

[plain maple]

are there better things than. win loss ratio

[scenic tartan]

I can't remember, could you replenish rpg ammo or armor from ammo boxes?

[late lotus]

the armor plates should just be cut from the game though

[pure spoke]

I never received ammo in my time playing

[plain maple]

does win loss ratio count as my existance

[arctic grove]

No roast just basic question I'll tell you mine 1.0

[molten trout]

did ammo boxes/medic boxes work in beta? the aoe didnt apply for me ingame

[desert elbow]

There's a delay after you pick it up first

[haughty dagger]

did you swap to ammo box? if not why?

[plain maple]

well nice flex, dont really care tho

[mental umbra]

some people help. some people dont. samething happened in bf4. you had people dropping ammo and some people sitting in the back with snipers it just happens. I guarantee with 64 players some people will be supporting the team

[arctic grove]

Ok because team play is important taking objective

[plain maple]

i didnt use ammo box as i sorta felt it as useless

[molten trout]

not every class constricts u to using fundamental support gadgets either, u can go supp with c4 and mortar and medic with a launcher / defib

[plain maple]

yea i know, but i cant singlehandedly win an entire game

[haughty dagger]

what the hell does a W/L ratio have to deal with teammates using teamwork??

[molten trout]

nothing lol

[plain maple]

yea exactly

like u dont play as a squad, play as an entire team and just push objectives without ammo boxes

[haughty dagger]

do people just come here fuming because they see the word specialist?

[plain maple]

dont waste ur ammo then u dont need ammo crates

hit ur shots

be more accurate, loot bodies u will get ammo

[arctic grove]

If there's 10 specialist hope there RU PMC

[signal basin]

[mental umbra]

you regen fast af. why does teamwork mean giving out ammo and health thats crazy

[pure spoke]

Anyways LSD, I don't intend to "control how everyone else plays" but I'm saying that in the big picture, if you don't have people who feel the need to help the team out, then the specialist system might not be effective

[arctic grove]

USA vs RU PMC

[pure spoke]

If you have no one dedicated to giving ammo, you run out

No one dedicated to healing, heated firefights end up going bad

[plain maple]

well u wont run out of ammo if u hit ur shots

[mental umbra]

those people existed in every single battlefield nothing has changed. its still battlefield and still the class system but modified

[pure spoke]

I just want the gameplay to be efficient

[haughty dagger]

so did you swap to ammo box to help you and your team?

[plain maple]

maybe that person could be u

u could be the person giving out ammo

[pure spoke]

I did, because no one else apparently did so.

[mental umbra]

great job, good teamwork

[plain maple]

then why are u complaining

[haughty dagger]

you said you didn't receive any ammo though.

[desert elbow]

Well then good lol, you are promoting teamwork

[plain maple]

about running out of ammo

[mental umbra]

its almost like teamwork does infact exist in 2042 thats wild

[haughty dagger]

lmao "force me how to play DICE! IDK how to play"

[molten trout]

specialist got gadgets that help the team out lol it enforces teamplay with integrated unique items

[pure spoke]

Look, let me cool down and explain, because I am not a very good person when it comes to arguing, I'm just a stubborn person who has been playing BF for a long time

[plain maple]

maybe make urself the good teamate

[signal basin]

Your pfp i recognize it

[plain maple]

im not understanding why u are here in the first place

[pure spoke]

I simply want to the gameplay be as efficient as possible so that no one ends up having to make the choice to be the supportive player to carry their team through the firefight

[plain maple]

sorry bro im pissed af, welcome tho

[pure spoke]

There should be multiple of these people dedicated to it to make the gameplay smooth

[mental umbra]

they dont have to make that choice. they play around it depending on what they want to do

[pure spoke]

They don't have to,

[signal basin]

Usually there always is multiple support type players.

[pure spoke]

That's true,

[plain maple]

should done a more warm welcome i guess

[pure spoke]

But it would be more enjoyable for everyone

[plain maple]

once voice chat actually comes, specialists will be real good

[molten trout]

you can use the same logic for that in a class based system though

[signal basin]

The Division 2 is great. (In response to Baxsus)

[haughty dagger]

so you're for people not having to do teamwork? im confused. Being a support player requires someone to do it so the rest of the team can take down things efficiently

[mental umbra]

what Dice have done is that they have taken the load off of support characters . you dont need health and ammo as much anymore. so no one is actually forced in those roles, they can play a different team role

[hazy vector]

Voice chat 😫. This ain't Cod. Why would I want to hear randos talking

[plain maple]

aight

[pure spoke]

But at least a person who picked being a medic didn't have the option to go off the mark and grab equipment completely opposite to their role, if you understand where Im going

[light path]

cod ghost > battlefield 4

[plain maple]

bruh thats been in like every battlefield

[haughty dagger]

its he BF4 brother lol and usually only to your squad not everyone

[mental umbra]

a launcher is a team oriented thing. repair tool is too, both of those are far better than ammo or medic if you can survive without them

[molten trout]

you dont have to do that either in 2042

[plain maple]

cod > battlefield there is no denying that, but that is wrong, completely wrong

[molten trout]

in a squad based system esp if you got friends everyone can cover a desired role if they want to

[hazy vector]

Never known, voice chat had been off since I first played it

[pure spoke]

I was trying to explain his point about the class based battlefields

[light path]

cod ghost has a dog in it

[signal basin]

Voice chat

[mental umbra]

why would you not want them to have that option? you want their only role to be medic? they can perform a second team oriented action with a different class equipment

[hazy vector]

Fuck talking, everyone doesn't play as a squad anyway

[plain maple]

cod ghosts mulitplayer wasnt very good

[plain maple]

exactly what i was trying to say earlier

[pure spoke]

Look, I'm trying to list all of the possibilities here

[haughty dagger]

you could be the medic chick and pick ammo boxes and you're already doing a ton for your team

[molten trout]

nobody talks in a squad either it's mostly thru text

[light path]

cod ghost had snoop dog voice pack to make up for it

[hazy vector]

And even if they do, fuck talking still xd

[plain maple]

team play is irrelevant in all previous battlefields

[hazy vector]

Not entirely true

[plain maple]

true, but like overall thats it and it wasnt fun

[timid cosmos]

balance

[plain maple]

battlefield 2042 ngl could have the best teamplay system once voice chat is implemented

[mental umbra]

its balanced if everyone has the ability to build hybrid classes

[pure spoke]

If you saw your medic not reviving or healing anyone and instead using a javelin to hunt helicopters and setting mines up, do you personally feel like he should give priority to his teammates?

[plain maple]

bfv and 1 had good ones and promoted squad play, but literally nobody did

[mental umbra]

hybrid classes arnt any more powerful than focused classes

[pure spoke]

Then that's on you, but not everyone feels that way

[mental umbra]

no? they are playing how they want why would you want to restrict that?

[pure spoke]

Everyone is different

[plain maple]

i mean just give up

[haughty dagger]

depends. you have 30 seconds to revive someone. they could literally just aim at the heli and make him fuck off so he can revive

[timid cosmos]

going to devolve into like a handful of viable builds at most

[mental umbra]

you think your engineer should switch to medic class just for you??

[plain maple]

if his life is in danger, he wont save u

nor anyone else

[mental umbra]

possibly, possibly not we will see

[fiery shoal]

if youre looking at a 64v64 game for teamwork im sorry for your expectations

[plain maple]

so just give up, rather than waiting over 30 seconds

[pure spoke]

Look, I'm trying to come up with arguments on the fly, you think I had time to think all of this over several hours in advance for a complete analysis on classes vs specialists?

[haughty dagger]

I'm saying people are complaining about teamwork not being there but yet don't swap to fill that role and are a part of the problem they say is there

[hazy vector]

Is everyone going to suddenly play like they did in that rainbow six siege E3 trailer. With perfect teamwork once they have voice chat

[molten trout]

its funny you think people are doing that, they're doing the same like u bro

[pure spoke]

Everyone is free to play as they should, but in the end Battlefield is a team game

[mental umbra]

because there is no arguement. its settled. the specialists are just the class system modified for more freedom

[fiery shoal]

sorry i misread that in that case, i agree with your statement

[arctic grove]

Switching my preorder to gold now :)

[arctic grove]

yea but no one plays it like a team game

[timid cosmos]

what i noticed was my friend wanted to play "medic" and he got confused about how to play medic

[edgy patio]

wonder why people dont use voice chat in bf games

it would be nice in squads

[arctic grove]

Not gonna pay 110$ for random nonsense lol

[pure spoke]

Look, I'm just stubborn, alright? I played Battlefield ever since BC2 and classes have been tried and true

[fiery shoal]

he picks the medic and heals... if hes confused about that.. idk what to tell you

[edgy patio]

bfbc2 best battlefield

[timid cosmos]

there is nothing called medic in game

[foggy crest]

i am not gonna deny i played ghost more than bf4 and i enjoyed it a lot

[pure spoke]

I don't want to force everyone to do this or that, I just want the team to be a team with everyone doing their part

[arctic grove]

Only reason I’m getting gold is in case the specialists are exclusive to gold and ultimate even tho they won’t be

[raven yew]

Will there be another open beta? Or was the last one our only taste

[fiery shoal]

you cant read what the specialist do all of a sudden?

[pure spoke]

I don't want rambos when they forget to use their specialist gadget. Medics being medics, supports being supports

[torpid shuttle]

No more :(((

[pure spoke]

Engineers dealing with vehicles

[raven yew]

:(

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 | Release (Gold/Ultimate)
Releases <t:1636700400:R>

[pure spoke]

Everyone had their own little tole to play

[mental umbra]

youll see at launch. half a system isnt what it was ever meant to be. we are missing both gadgets and equipment

[timid cosmos]

its not even clear what specalists do

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 | Hazard Zone Trailer
Premieres <t:1634223600:R>

[pure spoke]

But Baxsus it was our choice to pick that class

[timid cosmos]

falck has the same shock paddles as everyone else, but apparntly they just more special

[pure spoke]

If you didn't feel like being a medic,

You could be engineer

[flat charm]

@timid cosmos They make you feel all special and warm and fuzzy inside.

[light path]

29 days can't wait i'll just get cod instead

[pure spoke]

That was the joy of it

[haughty dagger]

how did he get confused? I'm curious. I know the revive system was clunky and scuffed as hell. Dropping med packs should be easy. I also think the gun needs a bit of a buff as well maybe faster travel time on the shots

[mental umbra]

what if I liked my medic weapon

I disliked the engineer class in 4 cause I enjoyed ars more than smgs

[timid cosmos]

because u picked characters and not a role

[stiff pollen]

11 am for me

[mental umbra]

and therefore I wasnt contributing to my team as much as I could have if I switched

[timid cosmos]

weapon balanced out the fact the engineer had a rocket launcher

[mental umbra]

but it isnt weapon balance. engineers had carbines which were essentially assault rifles

[haughty dagger]

everyone that revives only revives with low health. since she is a medic based specialist she can revive to full and heal with her gun. the explaining what each specialist can do is due to no menu options to view what did what in the beta

[mental umbra]

but I preferred a specific assault rifle, I dont see any reason not to have it as an engineer and why thats at all over powered

[timid cosmos]

all of that far less clear and mechanically messy

[mental umbra]

are we saying its op because thats actually true and we know that? or have they just never tried it and we are anxious to see how itll affect gameplay

[haughty dagger]

I started using SMGs as boris and handed out ammo. I liked being able to use SMG while acting as a support class

[pure spoke]

Y'know I would like to reiterate a point if some of you haven't already blocked me, at the time of my argument, I didn't know jack shit about the other 6 specialists. All my criticism came from the original 4 specialists in the open beta

I would like to see the other specialists and see how they operate

[mental umbra]

yeah exactly, and some people would prefer a sniper support class or lmg support class. I dont see how thats at all op

[timid cosmos]

ur kinda showing why system will reduce to meta. as i wanna run my fav gun all the time waah

[pure spoke]

But I'm still a fan of the simpler class system simply for how efficient it was

[haughty dagger]

which a lot of that can be fixed by adding it in the main menu to dive into what shit did instead it wasnt in the beta which is fine. People are just resistant to change and i get that but its really not as bad as people think or say it is though

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 | Release (Gold/Ultimate)
Releases <t:1636700400:R>

[real ether]

[mental umbra]

wont happen cause they wont let it happen, thats what balance patches are for

[timid cosmos]

all bandaids on a poor system

[mental umbra]

Irish does barricade and trophy system stuff, sundance throws emp grenades, cluster nades, and armor breaking nades

[pulsar vine]

i saw a newer build

[pure spoke]

So thats very useful then and has its uses

[timid cosmos]

they never got the balance perfect in previous games with more limits to work with

[tawdry nest]

Does the price will low a little bit after a month since early access?

[haughty dagger]

its not a bandaid, its literally explaining what it does. like you know in all the other battlefields a options menu where you can see what attachments do or what gadgets do before you join a game.

[pulsar vine]

like a leak and it worked perfectly fine the specialist and everything

even the guns

[mental umbra]

someone sets down some sorta loadout resupply thing someone said earlier. another person sees through walls, and another can hack and disable specialists. apparently I guess these were leaked

[pure spoke]

Look I'm sorry for snapping at you LSD, I've been up since 2 in the afternoon, overslept and shit, my friends are assholes, and I happen to be a stubborn ass who's too used to the old class system

[timid cosmos]

in class based games i just needed to know the name of the class to know the role

[mental umbra]

5 different teams are working on the game they have much more support to balance and patch

[pure spoke]

I'm comfortable with classes. Simple and efficient

[timid cosmos]

more teams is more cooks in the kitchen when it comes to balance, balance needs one vision

[molten trout]

it was redundant

[haughty dagger]

so basically you want what overwatch does and just slot them in a category but not actually change them.

[timid cosmos]

i would rather have what battlefield did

[haughty dagger]

they're classes though with class gadgets. what do you mean

[mental umbra]

we dunno how the full system will work its just not possible to say for certain how it will play. the beta was not a good representation. it could be horrible. but it could also be a massive improvement

[fast wave]

hello

[waxen geode]

@radiant talon can you setup a separate channel for Hazard Zone by any chance?

[oblique finch]

I wonder what clan system this game is going to get

[timid cosmos]

are they, how does a turret help boris perform engineer role?

[haughty dagger]

why would you say hes an engineer and not a support?

[timid cosmos]

because i have no idea what he even is

hes a turret

[mental umbra]

hes engineer, Falck was support

[haughty dagger]

he is however you want to play him and thats the best part about it. Sandbox

[timid cosmos]

i don't wanna play a turret

[mental umbra]

then dont play him

play someone else and keep the engineer role

[pure spoke]

Maybe I can hold my tongue a bit and explore all of the specialists thoroughly, but I've been playing for a long time and the class system never really failed except with medics who never revived, but that was about my only gripe

[haughty dagger]

Then he doesn’t sound like someone you would pick.

[timid cosmos]

can't because repair tool sits in a slot where i could choose c4 or a rocket launcher

[mental umbra]

you can put on a launcher or repair tool. I hope they allow for both of those in the same class eventually but maybe its a thing they thought was more balanced

[foggy crest]

9 hours left

[haughty dagger]

Sounds like you need some teamwork to have someone repair while you run C5 or rocket launcher

[timid cosmos]

no rather just more rocket launchers, since the tank repairs itself now

[haughty dagger]

Then why are you complaining about the repair tool?

[mental umbra]

if you allow both it possibly means there will be too many people with launchers, while if the team needs both repair guys and launchers youll have a balance

why do repairing and anti vehicle capabilities have to be locked to the same class? besides previous battlefield games what makes that have to exist in this one

[timid cosmos]

because they knew this and added regen knowing no ones gona have a repair tool

[pure spoke]

That goes for everyone I snapped at, by the way, I formerly apologize for being so damn stubborn and trying to make a point while being slightly heated, sorry if this is taking away from the topic.

[remote forum]

When is the hazard trailer coming out?

[mental umbra]

repair tool is necessary if you fly a heli or drive a tank

[lavish olive]

https://tenor.com/view/uncomfortable-awkward-silence-yikes-umm-gif-13040914

[timid cosmos]

no it regens

[haughty dagger]

So you think regen should be nerfed to make the repair tool more viable

[mental umbra]

to drive it effectively. repair tool should be buffed tho tbh it was slow

[limber garden]

Today is hazardzone reveal, brace yourself for the next lave of trolls crying about class system

[mental umbra]

yes it regends but if the other tank is regening while you have a repair tool ur going to out last them

[pure spoke]

Remind me, what is hazard zone supposed to be?

[timid cosmos]

not if u hit it with the rocket launchers

[molten trout]

nobody knows

[haughty dagger]

This is where teamwork comes in and you have teammates to take out people holding rocket launchers