battlefield-2042

[soft kayak]

• Play as Rao w/ Bazooka
• Lay near a deactivated roadblock. (those poles on shanghai idk what theyre called)
• Wait for tank to arrive.
• Activate the poles in front of the tank
• The trap has been sprung

[lofty fog]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[ember shard]

Apparently BF2042 starts "limited play testing" next week

https://twitter.com/pcgamer/status/1423600042250801153?s=19

[spark acorn]

thats not even news lol

we already knew it was next week

[lofty fog]

yes we know

[ember shard]

I mean not everyone knew lol. I sure as fuck didn't get the memo

[spark acorn]

invitations were already being sent out 2 days ago or longer before that

but yeah fair bro, i understand

[ember shard]

Oh

Lol

[lofty fog]

email has leak

[ember shard]

They need to hurry up and give us the beta on console

[spark acorn]

like people already leaked out the technical playtest specs when they got handed the email invite

[spark acorn]

you gotta wait another month my guy

[ember shard]

I need something new to play. Because from the looks of it. Activision is saying warzone won't be getting "major changes" till fall

[ember shard]

Eh. At least it's not too far away

soon

[soft kayak]

the playtest is gonna be the worst kept secret since the Vietnam Golf of Tonkin false flag

[spark acorn]

Yeah it won't because they're too busy wanting their 2021 cod game to succeed this year

[lofty fog]

hypes to see the leaks

[soft kayak]

I swear DICE have to have some leaked-based marketing thing going on

[hot folio]

They better have Gunter in bf2042

[soft kayak]

they do

[arctic grove]

im gonna need to sell my soul to afford a new pc for bf 2042

[soft kayak]

even though bfv is not in the game the almighty Günter is back

[hot folio]

Frank is the US Gunter

[lofty fog]

I am ready to pay to access this playtest

[spark acorn]

Bet, it's working.

Like I am thirsting for MORE.

GIVE ME MORE LEAKS!

[arctic grove]

Lol cod so behind ea already announced bf 2023

[soft kayak]

like, everything gets leaked, and it just so happens to be leaked in the order its revealed.

[spark acorn]

Coincidence? I think not.

Definitely leak marketing, it's good.

[soft kayak]

Nobody mentioned the Portal to Tom before the 2042 reveal trailer. Sure

[spark acorn]

Like I remember some guy back in May wanting to leak the full trailer on 4chan.

Never happened lool.

[soft kayak]

they did it. They just put a meme face on it and made it flash

[arctic grove]

Or an ARG so there doesn't have to be leaks

[spark acorn]

Damn it was, alright.

They're already playing an ARG with all these lore stuff playing on their twitter page.

I like how it's going, and hypes me up for the story and the game.

[soft kayak]

hella disappointed by that. Unless the portal is brought forward akin to warzone

[ember shard]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that all the lore is centered around MP this time. Here's to hoping they do it better than Black Ops 4 because the whole specialist lore thing was a flop

[arctic grove]

I just hope bf2042 will have long life service

[soft kayak]

I dont think it will. Unless Bf2023 is a ww2 game and they add to both concurrently

[hot folio]

COD disappointed me to the point where I won’t get MW2 (MW19 is great)

[arctic grove]

Please make an anti cheat

[ember shard]

With the way I've heard things. BF2042 is supposed to be the only mainline game for at least 4 years. Especially with mobile coming and then portals being a thing but I also remember that one of the higher ups at EA said he wants BF to become a 2 year thing

[hot folio]

Turning off cross play doesn’t matter cause only like 5 people have it off

[soft kayak]

A Bf game was already announced for 2023

[ember shard]

Are you sure that's not just BF mobile ? Or is it going to be a full game ?

Because if it's a full game

That means we got BF2042 this year. Mobile next year and a new game 2023

[upbeat yarrow]

oof

was kinda hoping 2042 for longer

[ember shard]

I expected this game to last alot longer for mainline support as well. Like the way Dice was talking..portals and 2042 is the future

[soft kayak]

I really hope it is but I doubt it

[ember shard]

Also. IF the game coming in 2023 is a legit thing and it's NOT mobile. That means they are pulling a cod and doing 3 yearly releases back to back. Which I don't understand. They've never really done this

[ember shard]

Only time will tell unfortunately

[soft kayak]

why are you assuming BF mobile is a AAA release?

[ember shard]

I'm just talking as a whole franchise tbh. It's still going to be a BF game that's released. Like cod mobile is still a cod game

[soft kayak]

yeah but its not replacing a yearly cod release. I dont think its even made by the 3 (4 now?) main cod devs

[spark acorn]

Battlefield mobile sounds good tbh, i'd like to try it out.

[soft kayak]

Also, yes DICE have done yearly releases. They alternated between BF and Battlefront for a while

[soft kayak]

its gonna be pay to win garbage

[hot folio]

cod mobile is actually a good mobile game

[ember shard]

It's not, it's made by timi which tencent owns . My thing tho . Given that it's EA. I don't see them just doing something small scale. I think with BF Mobile. They will go all out.

[steady current]

BF2042 steamdeck sounds even better

[spark acorn]

Yeah like many mobile games out there, but that's not what I am talking about. Gameplay, I wanna see.

[soft kayak]

they dont need to go all out to make good money

[ember shard]

Like if portals does well, I can definitely see them making a version of it that works for mobile

[soft kayak]

if youre getting stomped by whales then the gameplay will be shit regardless of other mechanics

[arctic grove]

bruh that would suck

[ember shard]

They don't need to but it's EA. Their games have ALWAYS been over the top

[spark acorn]

Again, i'll just try it out. I have Battlefield 2042 and still be playing that by next year 😆

[soft kayak]

???
Their games are often lacking content and broken

[arctic grove]

battlefield isn't battlefield without the map sizes and player counts

[soft kayak]

Remember SWBF2015?

[arctic grove]

LOL FUCKING TRUE

[wet ledge]

I imagine how Activision is right now with 2042 bout to be released soon

Probably chaos

[ember shard]

I'm talking from a gameplay mechanic standpoint. Like look at BF2042. They literally have natural disasters mid game. Who does this ? No one really.
And apex. Army of two. Medal of honor. Gameplay wise. They have always been above the bar

[hot folio]

Didn’t Battlefront 2s support get dropped so 2042 could have another team to work on it?

[arctic grove]

I think they are more worried about the massive lawsuit

[soft kayak]

does this dude really think EA is the only company to do something large scale?

[ember shard]

Not saying that

I'm saying the gameplay from EA games have always been massive. They always take risks

[spark acorn]

Chaos indeed, I want Activision's WW2 COD game to fail miserably this year.

[ember shard]

Minus sport games but no one cares about those

[arctic grove]

it wont

[wet ledge]

Good

[spark acorn]

COD Sheeps, yeah 😢

[wet ledge]

True

[soft kayak]

Mass Effect Andromeda and 3, SWBF 1 and 2, Anthem, Dead Space 3...

[hot folio]

Why go to the pacific in COD when you will have Portal

[ember shard]

Considering they just got slapped with a 2nd lawsuit.... They better be more worried about that

[spark acorn]

Dead Space 3 was enjoyable, the rest stinks.

[wet ledge]

Fuck Activision hope the business dies and everyone from their goes broke

[soft kayak]

there arent any pacific maps in the portal

[arctic grove]

they never take risks [unless it involves money] and always take the safest approach to making games

[hot folio]

Wake island or Iwo Jima might be added later though

[ember shard]

Anthem was a huge risk. And it unfortunately failed. Had it done well. It would have been as big as Fortnite in terms of the playerbase

[soft kayak]

yeah. 128 players is not new. Indie games have had 100 players for years

[lofty fog]

no i love BAttlefront 2

[spark acorn]

Isn't Valpairaso set next to the pacific ocean?

[soft kayak]

Anthem was a destiny clone

[ember shard]

Anthem would have been better than Destiny if it didn't flop imo

[soft kayak]

Valparaiso is in chile

so yes I guess

[spark acorn]

Yeah I know that, I am saying it's a coastal map, with the pacific ocean next to it. So technically a pacific map?

[glacial pecan]

Battlefront 2 has been without support for a while lol. And they just didn’t want to work on the game anymore

[arctic grove]

it isnt even really a risk, its an indifferent creative gimmick that has little effect on sales other than being able to say the game is "bigger than ever"

[spark acorn]

But yeah, 'pacific' maps set in the pacific.

[soft kayak]

same with the natural disasters. Theyre more likely to be annoying than innovative.

[hot folio]

Makes sense

[ember shard]

My point is . EA isn't really known for just pushing out products. For the most part. Their games tend to Actually be good and I don't want them turning BF into this thing where it's basically cod . Don't get me wrong. I love cod but sometimes I even need a break and BF does that

[hot folio]

Still fun to play

[soft kayak]

EA isn't really known for just pushing out products

Thats all theyre known for

[ember shard]

Their games tend to be good. You cant really argue that

[arctic grove]

funniest shit I have heard today no cap

[ember shard]

Sure they have some bad games

[arctic grove]

yes you can

[soft kayak]

when was the last good game they released?

[ember shard]

Jedi fallen order

Was perfect

[soft kayak]

ok fair. havent played ti

[hot folio]

gw1-2

[ember shard]

I'd honestly like them to bring back Army of two but that'll never happen

[soft kayak]

wait a minute that released in 2019

[arctic grove]

it was a random mishmash of ideas from other games with a starwars skin and reused levels

not to mention the terrible parkour

[plain wyvern]

will progress in the beta keep to the main game?

[ember shard]

I mean... If anything it was better than uncharted parkour

But I get what you are saying

We could always go back to old EA lol. Like Harry Potter. Medal of honor and army of two

[spark acorn]

That shit was amazing, first 2 games it was.

Never tried out the third game.

[spark acorn]

Most likely not.

[plain wyvern]

ok, thank you

[spark acorn]

Like I tried the last 2 betas for BF1 and BF5, and they never transferred over to the final product @plain wyvern

[hot folio]

I don’t trust EA, battlefield 2042s beta one month before it releases

[ember shard]

I'd honestly pay EA to remaster the army of two franchise. They were 3 amazing games

But times were different back then. I mean fuck, Madden was actually good

[arctic grove]

true

EA is now relying on reusing old IP's for money

Mass Effect Remaster, Dead Space Remake, That other racing game I forgot the name of

do minimal work and score money

[soft kayak]

Some bad games? BFV, 4, and Hardline, SWBF 1 & 2, Anthem, every FIFA and Madden in the last 10 years, mass effect, sims 4, and sim city. They turned Command and Conquer and Dungeon Keeper into f2p mobile games. These guys arent churning out bangers.

[ember shard]

I promise you, the only reason they are remaking DS is to piss off the original creator and throw shade because he's making The Callisto Protocol

[soft kayak]

its to reuse a well known IP to make money

[arctic grove]

Fuck EA they ruined dead space and his original studio

[soft kayak]

theyve been doing that for the last 10 years m8

[arctic grove]

last 2 dead space games lost money that's why the remake will have very minimal effort put into it

lol

[ember shard]

Which it's funny because The Callisto Protocol is supposed to be a spiritual successor to DS right. But it's a sequel to PUBG set YEARS later

I don't understand how that works

[hot folio]

Battlefront isn’t bad

[thorn herald]

Hey can someone explain me the portal thing? Thanks

[soft kayak]

Only thing EA is able to get consistently right are the indie games they pick up and Respawn's games. The only commonality here is that theyre the only games EA doesnt meddle with

[arctic grove]

it launched terrible and was only fixed for money

[soft kayak]

swbf1 is barebones and swbf2 is poorly designed

[soft kayak]

It wasnt even fixed. They just slapped on the clone wars and called it a day

[ember shard]

Well and skate but when has skate ever been bad lol ? It's arguably the better tony hawk

[lofty fog]

Battlefront 2 is very cool

[arctic grove]

Respawn is to EA what Rockstar is to Take Two, they are the money makers so they don't get fucked over yet

[ember shard]

I'm waiting for rockstar to collapse and it's already happening one of the brothers who literally made rockstar left and made a new company in the UK

[soft kayak]

Ea tried fucking them over with Titanfall 2 and regretted it.
that game could have made them so much fucking money

[arctic grove]

actually true

[arctic grove]

EA always does that

never think ahead

only see what's directly in front of them

[ember shard]

Do y'all think studios like respawn would be better off if they pulled a Bungie ? And did their own thing without a publisher backing them ?

[arctic grove]

Yes

[soft kayak]

it was the same "theyre totally different demographics" idea that you only see in redditors who dont know what theyre talking about.

[spark acorn]

They would still make money either way even if they didn't had Apex. These companies are worth billions.

[ember shard]

I honestly think they would.

[next onyx]

It really depends. They need the funding to pay their workers

[ember shard]

That's true

[soft kayak]

Destiny hasnt gotten any better since the split.

[arctic grove]

You don't need publishers to make money

[next onyx]

Yeah they could very well detach and do well

[arctic grove]

if anything you make more alone

[late lark]

Devs should look at publishers as a catalyst towards being independence.

[soft kayak]

ads are pretty nice for making money

[ember shard]

I mean that's true but I do believe they will get better. I mean Bungie already said there's no plans for D3 because they want to keep supporting the current title

[next onyx]

If I'm correct. Publishers commission these devs on their games correct?

[spark acorn]

Yes.

[ember shard]

Yes . A publisher is nothing more than an investor

[next onyx]

It's just the drawback is that they can dictate what you make

To a degree

[soft kayak]

its been a year and a half dude and Bungie keep doing stupid shit. No its not gonna get better. Theres not even gonna be another pvp map in Witch Queen.

[ember shard]

Mhm

[arctic grove]

Publishers are really just useless middlemen who have no place anymore since you don't really need your game to be "published" as the medium is moving to digital only

[ember shard]

You have a point

[arctic grove]

Plenty of indie studios have made it on their own

[ember shard]

Exactly. I like to think as publishers as record labels. Artists don't need a label anymore

[arctic grove]

Hell, Valve didn't need a fucking publisher, and that was back when games were physical

[soft kayak]

yeah but ad money

[ember shard]

And the thing is. Publishers really don't have THAT much of a say because they have shareholders and board members to answer to

[soft kayak]

Half Life was published by Sierra Studios

[arctic grove]

Yeah but that was just a singular game

not an entire studio

[ember shard]

Wasn't alyx made internally?

[arctic grove]

They all were

Even if they weren't all published by Valve, they are an independent company

[ember shard]

No I mean without another studio making it. Like didn't valve themselves make alyx ?

[cursive trellis]

anyone below lvl 10 msg me for referal code to both get 50 coins 😄

[arctic grove]

Yeah Valve made all of the Half Life games

[soft kayak]

granted they wouldnt make a game for 6 years, instead opting to buy mods

[ember shard]

Ah

[delicate hollow]

tf are you talkin about

[soft kayak]

not Opposing Force

[arctic grove]

True

[arctic grove]

That's Half Life DLC

[ember shard]

I'm still wondering if they will ever make a sequel to CSGO. Like the next big thing

[soft kayak]

its a standalone purchase

[soft kayak]

why would they?

[ember shard]

I mean it's been over a decade hasn't it ?They have to move on eventually

[ripe pumice]

Praying that I can strap Claymores to my Robo-Dog so no one gets close to him

[arctic grove]

That's like saying "The Red Dead Online support team made RDR2 because it's a separate purchase"

[ember shard]

Like the team who made siege. They can say they don't want siege 2 and that's fine but eventually they HAVE TO make the next big game

[soft kayak]

no they dont. Game still has a massive playerbase. Hell the only reason GO exists is because they tried porting CS to console.

[soft kayak]

no its not like saying that.

[ember shard]

Well shit

I remember CS on the 360 lol..shit was so bad

[arctic grove]

if valve did better anticheat and better user progression in CSGO i would play it

[arctic grove]

Yeah bro haven't you heard, XDefiant will be the next big thing!!! - Said nobody ever..

[ember shard]

Lmao

[soft kayak]

Now Team Fortress I could see getting a sequel.

[tepid bison]

Does anybody here know why battlefield 2042, being centered around climate change, not have risen sea levels on the official map thingy

[ember shard]

If anything XDefiant will be something players can run to when they need a break from cod MP

[arctic grove]

Ubi games are literally garbage

[tepid bison]

Seems weird to me

[arctic grove]

Because they are running out of water

it's drying up

[soft kayak]

they didnt think about it probably

[arctic grove]

kekw ( R6S -AC SERIES-SPLINTER CELL()

[ember shard]

Eh.... I wouldn't go that far. Siege in it's infancy was goated. Watch dogs 1 was goated. Black flag was goated

[spark acorn]

Probably shouldn't be thinking too deep into the climate change story lol.

[soft kayak]

wd1 is meh

[tepid bison]

I mean they said Singapore had to have walls put around it for the sea and the sea levels haven't gone up a foot

According to the map

[soft kayak]

black flag was 8 years ago

[ember shard]

If we are being honest every studio has bad games. It's just that some have more bad games than others

[tepid bison]

Xdefiant is going to be trash

Looks garbage from the trailer already

[ember shard]

I honestly don't think it will. From what beta testers are saying . They love it

[soft kayak]

Xdefiant is dirty bomb but soulless, and dirty bomb already failed

[tepid bison]

"Realistic gunplay meets punk rock" like wtf

[arctic grove]

Black Flag was a copy paste job with half baked elements done better in other games and a terrible PC port, Siege was ruined directly by Ubi's influence not to mention their completely fake marketing pre release, Watch Dogs 1 had tons of problems, false marketing, and was generally disliked even if the story was quite good

[soft kayak]

"tom clancy"

[arctic grove]

Last good Ubi game was probably Farcry 3

[soft kayak]

Black Flag was pretty good. Boat combat was fun, and the world was fun to explore.

[ember shard]

What exactly do you see as fake marketing? Because they clearly stated the reveal trailer was supposed to just be a proof of concept. Something to show the game actually exists

[tepid bison]

Tom Clancy would shit his pants if he saw the guy with an improperly secured gas mask to have dreadlocks hanging out

[arctic grove]

Boat Combat was copy pasted from AC3

[ember shard]

For siege

[soft kayak]

ok and?

That doesnt make it bad

[arctic grove]

So yeah it was a copy paste job

[ember shard]

And tbf. Most games are just rip offs these days lol.. nothing is really original

[soft kayak]

I dont care. It was a fun game. Black Flag is a much better place for AC3 boat combat.

[arctic grove]

They called it a "gameplay trailer" not a "proof of concept" trailer

[ember shard]

The game industry is like Hollywood. They've done everything pretty much

[arctic grove]

two different things

[tepid bison]

I'm more excited for the new COD than for another ubi game

I've never played cod ever

Except mobile for 2 hours

Long shit

[arctic grove]

That just isn't true

[soft kayak]

ready for far cry 3 4 5 6. We swear its original this time. Look its in cuba

[tepid bison]

Its old by now

Honestly

[ember shard]

I'm sure anything you can think of , For a game, has already been done

[tepid bison]

If cod wanted to do ww2

[arctic grove]

"heres a cute dog, now buy our game where we removed even more core gameplay features from the previous one"

[arctic grove]

Doubt it

[tepid bison]

Why do a stupid vanguard thing

Instead of a WaW remaster

[soft kayak]

sounds like you lack imagination then

[ember shard]

I mean I'm sure there's even a game about a talking turd at this point

💀

[tepid bison]

Trust me

Nothing has ever been done 100%

[arctic grove]

just like most of the games industry, because creativity doesn't make money

[ember shard]

It's not about lacking imagination. The industry is old. What hasn't been done ?

[pure basin]

What’s this all about

[soft kayak]

sadly

[arctic grove]

generic army swat man does make money ✅

[tepid bison]

Flying space monkey fps with banana guns

1 idea already

[soft kayak]

Bechir is the narrator for the lore posts. Currently Specialist #10 is unknown

[ember shard]

I mean they literally are coming out with a game.... Where you play as a fucking cat

Like who asked for this

[tepid bison]

Nobody

[soft kayak]

like a house cat?

[tepid bison]

But when the first modern battlefield came out who asked for it

[ember shard]

In the footage . You are in an ally and apparently it has robot cats as well

[tepid bison]

They wanted ww2

[arctic grove]

good point

[soft kayak]

well what kind of game is this?

[tepid bison]

"If you dont like it dont buy it" is applicable advice here

[arctic grove]

All these greedy ass publishers don't realize what made them rich in the first place, a creative idea made by a creative person

[tepid bison]

Some people want to play as a cat

[ember shard]

https://youtu.be/hrdf44z4VWo

^

Gameplay

[soft kayak]

"If you dont like it dont buy it" isnt even an insult its just common fucking sense.

[tepid bison]

Many people have wanted to play as a goat anyway

[ember shard]

It's called stray

[tepid bison]

Goat simulator was popular for a long time

[arctic grove]

Yeah tbh Patrick Soderland was kinda being goated with that quote

EA self sabotage

[steady current]

will part5 be today?

[tepid bison]

It was patronizing

[ember shard]

Facts tho

[tepid bison]

Even if it made sense

[ember shard]

Idk how but it was

[tepid bison]

People want different things

[ember shard]

That is true

[tepid bison]

Some people want cat games

[arctic grove]

Because it was creative and funny

[soft kayak]

shit this looks really cool

[tepid bison]

Like this cat game that is blowing up with the simple block teamwork artstyle

I forgot what it was called

[foggy crest]

Stray

[tepid bison]

All my favorite youtubers are playing it

[ember shard]

It does but my point is . They are literally at the point where we are playing a game as a cat. I mean I'd say almost everything has been done at this point.

[arctic grove]

2042 actually seems to have an ounce of creativity, even if it's only a little tiny bit

[tepid bison]

Nope

I can come up with something right now

[arctic grove]

There are literally infinite possibilities for different realities and worlds you could make

[tepid bison]

"Captain price operates a slaughterhouse simulator"

[ember shard]

I'm sure there are SOME ideas that haven't been touched upon for one reason or another but idk how many of them there are. I wouldn't assume it's alot

[arctic grove]

that isn't true in the slightest

[tepid bison]

That hasn't been done

[soft kayak]

this videogame is evidence that not everything has been done yet. This is so creative and original. It is the exact opposite of what youre claiming

[tepid bison]

Ideas are infinte

[arctic grove]

Humans, however, aren't.

[ember shard]

I mean.... Is it tho ? All portals is really is just a game mode with a bunch of map remakes

[tepid bison]

The reason why games are so repetitive is that companies see what people already like so they stick to it

[soft kayak]

What? Im talking about Stray

[tepid bison]

It prevents them from trying something new

[ember shard]

Ohh mb

[arctic grove]

Who cares about humans, we ruin everything

lol

[tepid bison]

But when something new comes out its awesome

Like splitgate

[ember shard]

I mean you have a point and like I said I'm sure there are ideas that haven't been done but I wouldn't expect them to be in the hundreds of thousands

[soft kayak]

if the servers would work

[tepid bison]

Still a new idea

[arctic grove]

amogus

[tepid bison]

New ideas for games are coming out all the time

[ember shard]

Among us is a clue rip off

[tepid bison]

Just look past ubi ea and blizzard

[soft kayak]

why not? How can you count the number of new ideas without comming up with it yourself?

[arctic grove]

true

GTA 4 is just a New York rip off

terrible

Witcher 3 is a harry potter rip off

too much magic

[ember shard]

Because the industry is already a vast land. We have tons of games . Tons of different ideas that have been done. I mean look at Hollywood and the movie industry. It's dying. They have literally resorting to making remakes of everything. That's not good

[soft kayak]

Battlefield is a doom clone

[tepid bison]

Life is a science rip off

Hollywood is uncreative

[arctic grove]

reddit moment

upvote

[tepid bison]

Dont look to them for ideas

[arctic grove]

big chungai

[tepid bison]

Look at short films and the like

[soft kayak]

They have literally resorting to making remakes of everything
This isnt cause we're out of ideas, its because Hollywood doesnt want new ideas

[ember shard]

If Hollywood has gotten to that point. The gaming Industry will as well eventually

[tepid bison]

So much creativity and imagination

Hollywood is drunk on money

[ornate veldt]

[tepid bison]

Why have new ideas when u can have cheap remakes

[ember shard]

It could be 20 more years from now..hell even 50..but eventually it'll happen

[arctic grove]

They are playing it the safest so the algorithms go brrrr and their bank accounts go cha ching

[tepid bison]

Dont look at Hollywood as representation for movies

[arctic grove]

So why hasn't it happened in thousands of years?

just wondering bro

[tepid bison]

Because new things happen

[soft kayak]

@ember shard You need to realize the difference between no new ideas existing and companies not wanting new ideas

[arctic grove]

fucking exactly

time moves in a linear fashion

[tepid bison]

Tell a person from the dark ages about a phone

[arctic grove]

so do ideas

[ember shard]

Like look at cod for example. Eventually cod will no longer be a thing. Could be YEARS from now but eventually. Activision WILL hit a wall where they don't know what to do

[tepid bison]

No

[runic charm]

Are there any more invites for the paytesting alpha?

[tepid bison]

A new war will happen

By then

And voila

New cod

[soft kayak]

Cod actively rejects new ideas. They arent running out they just want to make the same game over and over

[tepid bison]

New things will happen

[arctic grove]

Cod dying isn't an example of being creatively bankrupt, because frankly the games always pretty much have been since bo2

[soft kayak]

since mw2

[ember shard]

And I honestly believe that's because they've ran out of shit

[tepid bison]

In the future maybe ww2 games will get stale

[soft kayak]

they just dont care dude

[tepid bison]

But then they will just invent it use new wars

[arctic grove]

No it's because they are doing what makes money

[arctic grove]

I mean... It's essentially Halo mixed with Portal, two things that have already been made.

[soft kayak]

Look at Titanfall. That is Cod with original ideas.

[ember shard]

The only thing they haven't done is WWI. Which we know how that was for BF

[tepid bison]

And new guns and weapons are being made all the time

[arctic grove]

Least effort for the biggest gains, sigma grindset

[tepid bison]

Just a new modern warfare every year with different locations and new guns

Because the m4a1 and the Abrams tank wont be used forever

They change irl

And if a new war happens

[arctic grove]

Knowing the U.S Army, they probably will be

[tepid bison]

Then boom

[arctic grove]

lmao

[steady current]

https://gamerant.com/battlefield-2042-beta-pc-system-requirements-test-date/

[tepid bison]

Nah

[arctic grove]

M16 body forever

[soft kayak]

@ember shard why are you using cod as an example here? Wouldnt the original ideas, which you claim dont exist, not be a Cod game, which is an already established franchise with its set gameplay?

[tepid bison]

The us army is ready changing the gun lol

To the MCX spear

[arctic grove]

At this point, you'd be hard-pressed to find anything that's truly original. I mean, written history has existed for thousands of years, written stories probably just as long. From plays, to tablets, to books, to movies, to games... It's pretty much all been done.

The only difference being is that people make minor tweaks to what's already been done to make something feel fresh and new, even if it isn't.

[tepid bison]

In bf 2042

[arctic grove]

That's what they say, but then they will just cancel it

[tepid bison]

Nah

[arctic grove]

then colt will make a new ar and they will use that instead

[tepid bison]

People said that about the ak 74

For russia

Frankly people said that about the m16 in america

Both gone

[arctic grove]

Yeah and it's still true

[tepid bison]

Militaries adapt and change

Because they have to

[arctic grove]

the M16 and AK bodies are still used just with an updated design

lol

[tepid bison]

Yes

[arctic grove]

^

[tepid bison]

But in 100 years they will be unrecognizable

[arctic grove]

M4A1 is just an M16 under all the shit

[ember shard]

I'm using cod as an example because it's been around so long and has never really changed. With the path they are going, they will run out of ideas. And they can't rely on remakes/reboots for , forever. Hell. they may even go in the direction of BF2042 like they did with BO4 and just cut the story out. Even tom Henderson said he wouldn't be shocked if cod has its own version of portal soon

[tepid bison]

Like the BAR vs the HCSR

HCAR

[soft kayak]

well we do conceive ideas based on what we have seen or experienced in our lives. So using this as a definition of "original" is not usefull for this discussion. If no thought is original then the term lacks meaning, so clearly a proper definition is more broad

[tepid bison]

Or the ak47 and the ak 12

Huge differences

[arctic grove]

Yeah but the overall silhouette is roughly the same.

[tepid bison]

And the first abrams made was far more primitive than today's abrams

[arctic grove]

I getchu.

[tepid bison]

The base is the same

[arctic grove]

People finna play GTA 4 in history class in 2340 and be like "wow this is what new york was like before it got nuked"

lmao

[soft kayak]

because they reject original ideas. Saying "everything has been done cause we cant make the same game 20 times" is silly and misses the point of what original games even are

[mortal prism]

The HK-47 is the best

[tepid bison]

Its like the evolution of the frostbite 4 engine

Compare it when it first came out to today

Same framework

Or source

[ember shard]

And again. Even if it's just them being lazy. It's the way half of the industry is. Most games are just copies of others . Not all of them but most

[tepid bison]

Evolution is the combination of small adaptations

[arctic grove]

yeah but see with creation engine, nothing has changed ✅

[ember shard]

The industry needs change

[mortal prism]

Levolution on the other hand . . .

[soft kayak]

exactly. Its not that everything has been done but that companies do not want to break the mold and would rather fund safer projects

[tepid bison]

A monkey didnt just birth a human, the changes were gradual

Same with tech

[arctic grove]

(The BAR, top, and the modernized HCAR, bottom)

I mean sure it's different but... I recognized it as a BAR before I even knew the HCAR existed.

[tepid bison]

Phones changed from block of plastic to today gradually

[arctic grove]

Same with the AK47 and AK12. The AK12 still looks like an AK.

[tepid bison]

Your point?

[arctic grove]

The best games are always made when the people making them want to make them

[tepid bison]

The Stg 44 and the ak47 look similar

Despite being nothing alike

[ember shard]

Honestly this is just because companies. Like to keep some mark of the original design.

[arctic grove]

My point is that this statement is only partially true.

[soft kayak]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ /\/\/\/\/\/\/

[tepid bison]

The ak47 being based on the stg 44 is a myth btw

Nit true

[ember shard]

And when they actually played their own games and tested shit before it came out

[soft kayak]

they dont

[arctic grove]

I don't think they look similar at all, either.

[tepid bison]

The ak47 is derived from the m1 Garand believe it or not

I thought they do

Well whatever

[arctic grove]

Take Fallout New Vegas for example, they were given an impossible task with an impossible deadline, but they wanted to make the game, they had been building ideas and lore since Fallout 2

[tepid bison]

Differences are only skin deep

[arctic grove]

and that's why it's the best Fallout game

[tepid bison]

Like look at the iphone 3 compared to the iphone of today

[ember shard]

They do kind of look alike

[soft kayak]

Its direct descendant is likely this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVS-36

[tepid bison]

Yes

[arctic grove]

idk the new iphone is basically just the iphone 6 reskinned

[tepid bison]

Maybe

[arctic grove]

"we added 1 new button"

[tepid bison]

I ise samsung I wouldnt know

[arctic grove]

"pay us 2000 dollars"

[tepid bison]

I just wanted an example

I use samsung

[ember shard]

Iphone has been using the same tech and design for years. They just up the price and charge you $1,000+ for a $500 phone

[soft kayak]

cause Steve Jobs is dead

[tepid bison]

The stg44 and the ak look similar to me, yall dont see the resemblance?

[arctic grove]

Apple has become what steve jobs fought to stop from happening

lol

[tepid bison]

iPhone is gatbage

[soft kayak]

no

[ember shard]

Mhm

[arctic grove]

The only similarity I see is a roughly-similar-shaped gas block. That's...really it.

[tepid bison]

Hmm

[arctic grove]

tbf the AK was directly made as a response to the STG

I mean the more I look at it the more I understand why people would say they look similar, but to me, nah.

[tepid bison]

Response?

In 1947?

[arctic grove]

Yeah they were late

[tepid bison]

2 years after the war was done

[ember shard]

I mean tbf the AK wouldn't exist without the STG

[arctic grove]

You realize the STG was also extremely late war right? by the time the soviets started fighting it, they had almost won, but it still made them realize they needed their own

[tepid bison]

Why wouldnt it

[ember shard]

They only made it as a response

[soft kayak]

the AK started development in 1944

[tepid bison]

I didnt know that

[ember shard]

"The AK-47 was designed in response to the Sturmgewehr 44 (StG 44) assault rifle, the selective-fire (automatic or semi-automatic) rifle issued to German soldiers. Kalashnikov took inspiration from the StG 44 and the American M1"

[tepid bison]

Fair enough

[arctic grove]

STG was only used by the waffen in like 1944

[tepid bison]

It is functionally similar to the m1 garand in mechanisms

I would know

I own one

[arctic grove]

yeah exactly

[tepid bison]

I can strip and reassemble it pretty quick

[ember shard]

You own an M1 Garand?

[soft kayak]

I misread some shit. It was 1946

[tepid bison]

No an ak

[ember shard]

Ah

[tepid bison]

They use a similar bolt system

Rotating bolt

[ember shard]

I was gonna say lol, the M1 ping is so sexy

It's so iconic too.

[tepid bison]

Stg 44 was straight bokt and always malfunctioned

Was bad gun

Cheap to make due to late war

[ember shard]

That's because it was German lol (jk)

[arctic grove]

Well yeah, as I said it was really only made because they realized how fucking godly the STG was at the time even if it was a late war weapon, which again tbf the STG was only made because it was extremely easy to produce with minimal metals (which the germans should have already been trying to do way before then but whatever)

[soft kayak]

"iconic"
I swear I heard this phrase so much during BFV that it makes me want to blow my head off

[ember shard]

I mean it was lol, no other gun has a clip ping that sounds that good

[tepid bison]

Well if the germans dodnt exist then the russians would have fought the americans instead

Ideologies

[arctic grove]

"STG is godly now, but lets make something even more godly that works better without the weird german stuff" boom AK-47

[tepid bison]

Stg was a pretty bad weapon

And ak47 is functionally very different from stg

[soft kayak]

compared to the kar??

[tepid bison]

No overall

Always jammed and broke

[arctic grove]

tbf the U.S provided the Soviets with most of their resources during WW2, they most likely wouldn't have been able to fight the U.S to begin with

let alone with no allies

[tepid bison]

Yea

[ember shard]

I've always preferred the Grease Gun honestly.

[tepid bison]

But they would have fought anyway

[soft kayak]

sure but for the time? Compare that to a kar or mosin

[ember shard]

Over the STG

[tepid bison]

Well compare it to the ppsh

Or the m1 carbine

[arctic grove]

Yeah exactly my point, the only thing even remotely close to the STG was the PP-SH

[arctic grove]

I know it was a joke, but I mean the Germans were super advanced for the time. I don't know if people give them enough credit for how close they were to actual world domination. Obviously they didn't succeed (thankfully), and didn't come as close as England had, but still.

[tepid bison]

Every historically important country has almost succeeded in world domination

[soft kayak]

when asked "who has the better smgs", the Russians answered "Germany" and the Germans answered "Russia"
Also the m1 carbine is a carbine. Not gonna stack well with the stg

[ember shard]

Gotta admit tho. Even tho the STG was ass. It was very accurate for it's time

[arctic grove]

England really just dropped the ball

[tepid bison]

Every historically important country has almost conquered the world

[soft kayak]

china? america? india?

[tepid bison]

Historically

Mongols

Romans

French

[arctic grove]

One of the main reasons Germany started loosing (combat wise) was because of their inability to manufacture things cheaply and timely, even their most "cheap" weapons took tons of time and resources to make

[tepid bison]

Englush

Yes chinese

[soft kayak]

-China and India arent historically important

[tepid bison]

And indians

[arctic grove]

That and a lack of winter coats. /j

[ember shard]

This is true. Just look at HK. They are still to this day one of the best gun companies

[tepid bison]

Didnt I just say chinese

[arctic grove]

Guys I just thought of an amazing Specialist for the game!!

[arctic grove]

tbf America is very new

[tepid bison]

@soft kayak didnt I literally just say chinese lol

[soft kayak]

they never nearly took over the world

[tepid bison]

Economically they did

[ember shard]

America had colt and that was it and then they got out of the gun making industry and sold it

[tepid bison]

In the early spice trade

Silk road etc

[soft kayak]

"economically"
thats not world domination thats just being rich.

[tepid bison]

America is relatively new so I dont count us

[arctic grove]

So imagine that you can climb walls and hang on to them?! Instead of a grapple hook, you can climb for a longer period of time etc.

[tepid bison]

But NATO

Well you can dominate the world economically

Neocolonalism

[soft kayak]

i like that your definition of "world domination" is getting progressively broader

[ember shard]

Money talks tbf. The richer you are . The more power you have

[arctic grove]

eh

[soft kayak]

was ancient china somehow neocolonialist?

[tepid bison]

How is it getting broader?

[arctic grove]

too "advanced warfare" sounding

[patent hare]

Someone just literally told me the 2023 battlefield game will be bad company 3

[arctic grove]

who knows

[tepid bison]

No I did not imply that china was neocolonialist

[ember shard]

If I was the richest man in the world. I could literally do whatever I wanted . Legally or illegally and get off

[arctic grove]

maybe

[tepid bison]

Why did you say that

[soft kayak]

And hold on, how the hell did Rome conquer the world? they hit quite the roadblock

[ember shard]

Because money is everything

[patent hare]

Personally I wouldn’t mind that

[arctic grove]

Also, assuming they have hard-kill APS in BF2042, I hope it doesn't have infinite ammo, because holy shit what a boring tank loop.

[ember shard]

Fear.

[arctic grove]

Depends on where you live

[tepid bison]

Rome conquered as much as they could lol

[ember shard]

People were scared of them

[patent hare]

Normally I’d be against campaigns in battlefield

[arctic grove]

Capitalism isn't always king

[patent hare]

But bad company games should be the exception

[arctic grove]

Neither is currency

[soft kayak]

yeah, which wasnt the world

[ember shard]

You have a valid point @arctic grove

[patent hare]

Hell I’d make the actual main games multiplayer focused

[arctic grove]

Rome died due to a string of terrible leaders

[tepid bison]

Well the germans didnt conquer the world

[patent hare]

And bad company be the games with campaigns

[tepid bison]

Disent mean they didnt try

[ember shard]

The only reason they didn't was because the US showed up and was like "no bitch"

[soft kayak]

they didnt "nearly conquer" it either. They didnt get much further than europe

[tepid bison]

They tried

[soft kayak]

shit take

[arctic grove]

In the end the only thing that matters is physical survival, which is why I prioritize the gym and fitness over almost everything else

[tepid bison]

Is my point

[arctic grove]

The Soviets did more, just saying.

[ember shard]

The world would be very different if the US didn't take out Germany

[tepid bison]

And they did pretty good

[soft kayak]

we didnt take out germany

[tepid bison]

Well @ember shard there is a saying

The war was won with american industry, british intel, and russian blood

[arctic grove]

Germany failed due to the innate flaws within their own manufacturing process and ideology, but I don't want to get super political

[soft kayak]

but mostly Russian blood

[tepid bison]

Yea

[ember shard]

Facts tho

[arctic grove]

Yeah pretty much the majority we did in WWII was...make sure Japan never lifted a military finger ever again.

[tepid bison]

Without america, it would have taken longer

But america mostly fought the Japanese

[arctic grove]

Well if you have 10x the men, the enemies bullets kinda just don't matter

[tepid bison]

Anyway

[soft kayak]

not really. Most of our troops were in europe. Its just that the eastern front is mind bogglingly large

[tepid bison]

With the americans and the Japanese out of the equation the war would have ended in maybe 1946-1947

[ember shard]

This is true tho. No one has the balls to touch America except Russia

[mortal prism]

The Allies almost lost it all. It wasn't until the Mexican National Army decided to help that the Allies won and the war was over. It happened on a Tuesday, hence why we celebrate Taco Tuesday each week.

Taco Tuesday: Know your history . . .

[ember shard]

Japan tried and we made them our bitch

[manic vessel]

this doesnt look like a battlefield server anymore

[arctic grove]

the whole reason America was super reluctant to help Europe is because we were founded upon the principle that we were independent from Europe, and that we shouldn't get involved in their business

[ember shard]

It got a tiny bit off topic@manic vessel

[tepid bison]

Its shit takes server now

[mortal prism]

It's Discord PvP

[arctic grove]

I mean I personally wouldn't glorify what we did, but you do you, my friend.

[ember shard]

We only attacked them because they hit us first

[tepid bison]

And they attacked us because they thought we were going to attack first

[manic vessel]

back to topic : i love battlefield 5

[tepid bison]

I think

[soft kayak]

and because we had quite a lot to gain from advancing further into the pacific but that doesnt sound heroic.

[arctic grove]

Yeah but we...took it way too far. It wasn't just nukes and the lives lost. We have Japan by the balls. They can't do anything in terms of military action as per an agreement with the US.

[tepid bison]

Yea we got colonies!!!

[mortal prism]

I played BF 5 for the first time today . . ..

[tepid bison]

Hooray for Guam and phillipines

[arctic grove]

Not exactly an excellent outcome for Japan.

[mortal prism]

Been playing BF4 for about a decade though

[soft kayak]

we already had those

[tepid bison]

Not in ww2

[ember shard]

They did take it too far but that's what happens when you come for America. This country doesn't fuck around when it comes to outsiders trying to take over

[tepid bison]

Jap controlled

[ember shard]

It's fucked up. But war in itself is fucked up

[tepid bison]

Yea

[arctic grove]

Russia really has nothing to lose now, they talk big but watching any amount of footage from a normal person in russia shows that they really aren't nearly as advanced as America in almost any way, especially in their regular towns

[ember shard]

War should never need to happen but bad people need to be stopped

[tepid bison]

Russia is mo competitor to america now

[arctic grove]

In order to have peace, there must be war

[tepid bison]

After the collapse they died

[soft kayak]

No we did. We got the phillipines in the spanish american war.

[tepid bison]

Not in ww2

Japs invaded

Lol

[ember shard]

And it's sad but it's true. War is a necessity. I just wish it wasn't that way and I'm sure most feel the same

[tepid bison]

It ain't necessary

Ever

[soft kayak]

most wars are for the government's profit

[tepid bison]

I dont think

[ember shard]

It is now because of how the world is . We HAVE TO do something about north Korea. we don't have a choice

[tepid bison]

We wouldnt give a shit about germans if they didnt attack

The jews would have gone and we wouldnt care a bit

[arctic grove]

I don't think war is necessary either, honestly. What I think is necessary is people growing up and getting over their petty squabbles.

[arctic grove]

Yeah countries need to stop caring about borders and more about the planet, what's the point of fighting over ideology if the globe we are on is literally about to go up in flames, we need to work as a collective species as we were intended

just my two cents

[tepid bison]

But then france is in trouble

[ember shard]

The world is a very dark place . If people actually tried caring about one another. It could change

[soft kayak]

yes we did. We fought for Korea cause they were a neocolony that we made money from trading with and gained influence from

[tepid bison]

Yes

[arctic grove]

Too much greed for change to happen.

[ember shard]

Unfortunately

[tepid bison]

And "stopping the spread if communism"

Lol

Funny joke

[soft kayak]

well yes.

[spark acorn]

Humans like killing each other for no reason.

[arctic grove]

Sad but true, people won't realize that money is completely meaningless until it stops being used

[tepid bison]

Destablizing countries killing civilians

War crimes galore

Invading Cuba, vietnam, and other countries illegally

Chem weapons

[astral marsh]

The last war that ever meant anything was ww2

[tepid bison]

On civs

[ember shard]

The way I see it. Wether it's H*tler or someone else. Bad people will always exist . But maybe if we actually showed them compassion and understanding that could change but that's just dreaming. It will never happen.

[tepid bison]

Gotta love agent orange

[arctic grove]

I mean humans are simpler creatures than a lot of people make us out to be. We really aren't that hard to understand, and that's almost exactly why we have the problems we do.

We want the shiny objects, even if we hurt others to get the shiny objects. I mean we're bipedal crows.

[tepid bison]

Still causing birth defects in vietnam today

[soft kayak]

"stopping communism" is one of those things where greed and the right thing can often coincide. We went to Korea out of greed but my god had South Korea benefited from it

[arctic grove]

Vietnam based proxy war

g.i joe

[tepid bison]

And dont forget the 20 years of dropping missiles in the middle east that is still going on today

[ember shard]

The world is fucked up beyond repair. The least we could do is come together and enjoy and live life while we still have a planet to live on

[tepid bison]

What is that for

Why are we in the middle east

Because O I L

[arctic grove]

Until the last few generations of people are in the ground, change isn't gunna happen. Sounds like a hot take, but it really isn't.

[ember shard]

You are 100% right tho

[tepid bison]

"Spreading democracy"

[soft kayak]

not oil. Most of the regions we're in dont have any oil. Its just influence over the region

[arctic grove]

Corona has shown that the world can and will naturally repair itself if humans stop existing

[tepid bison]

And oil

[arctic grove]

[tepid bison]

Syria

[ember shard]

Facts tho. At the end of the day humans are THE issue

[tepid bison]

Ok that's a but far

I like existing

[soft kayak]

"dolphins in venice mean that the ozone hole will repair itself" Lol

[tepid bison]

Even if it sucks

[arctic grove]

It's true though lol

The earth is shaking us off like a bad case of fleas. It's long overdue, honestly. Surprised the planet put up with our shit for as long as it has.

[tepid bison]

How so

[ember shard]

Not everyone is an issue but the world was perfect without humans.

[tepid bison]

Mmm

It was savage and wild

I guess

[soft kayak]

perfect is a human concept

[ember shard]

It was natural without outside interface

[arctic grove]

Well yeah there are some parts that sadly cannot be repaired, but overall the planet has greatly appreciated this long needed break

[soft kayak]

how are humans "outside influence". We were born here

[tepid bison]

Lol

[ember shard]

It being wild and savage is just apart of the cycle . Things die off and something else takes its place .

[arctic grove]

Here's an actual hot take: Society needs to collapse.

[astral marsh]

I know ww2 was hell and terrifying for any theater during the war but god damn the pacific theater literally seemed like hell on earth. Like I can’t even fathom what those marines went through

[soft kayak]

cringe

[tepid bison]

Well humans arent going anytime soon

[worldly star]

edgy

[spark acorn]

no

[arctic grove]

The Industrial revolution really sped up our species and planet decline

[tepid bison]

What can kill us off completely

[ember shard]

I'm talking beforehand. The world existed without humans lol, look back at the dinosaur era

[tepid bison]

Nukes cant

[arctic grove]

A lot.

[tepid bison]

Like what

[soft kayak]

wouldnt every animal be outside influence then?

[spark acorn]

you

[arctic grove]

Yosemite, global warming, mosquitos...

[tepid bison]

Not 2 people left alive

[spark acorn]

stop killing us

[compact gorge]

We are actually pretty good at fixing the ozone layer. It's other issues we're struggling with tho, regardless of dolphins on Venice

[arctic grove]

Yosemite may blow, it may not, but if it ever does, goodbye USA.

[ember shard]

You have a point. Maybe I should have worded it better

[spark acorn]

but you ruin the TVA 😦

[ember shard]

Humans definitely aren't making things easier

[tepid bison]

If Yellowstone blows

Would be bad

[quiet pawn]

had to end sometime.

[spark acorn]

Same with you pal 😦

[arctic grove]

Sorry, Yellowstone, yes. I'm super tired.

[tepid bison]

I'm glad I'm outside the blast range

[spark acorn]

Give it or take, about 50 years time.

[tepid bison]

I'd only get an inch of dust coating in everything

[ember shard]

I know I've done alot of messed up shit in my life but who hasn't. No one is perfect

[arctic grove]

As Arthur Morgan said "We are making a damn mess of things"

[compact gorge]

Yellowstone likely won't blow up, I'd give it more of a few thousands of years more

[spark acorn]

True statement over here.

[soft kayak]

but youre not outside of the political fallout of the largest economy and military suddenly collapsing in a day

[tepid bison]

Well

I can leave

[spark acorn]

Okay, more optimistic thought here, yeah this is more likely.

[tepid bison]

Which is nice

[quiet pawn]

economy is already collapsing

[ember shard]

If Yellowstone goes off. Everyone in the US will feel it. It will change the US forever. They may not all be directly effected in it's blast range but it will touch the east coast . Same with if San Andreas fault goes off

[tepid bison]

I've got a car and gas storage and stuff

[soft kayak]

You think the problems would be contained to the US? Thats gonna shake things up politically and economically everywhere

[arctic grove]

The environment would probably actually flourish if the entirety of the biggest countries were nuked

lol

[compact gorge]

The climate will fuck us before Yellowstone.

[tepid bison]

Yea

[worldly star]

other countries too

[tepid bison]

But I am gonna leave the us anyway

[astral marsh]

At least we all be dead by then time Yellowstone erupts 😂

[tepid bison]

Just do it sooner

[astral marsh]

The

[ember shard]

Im hoping I'm dead long before it goes off. Fuck that .

[compact gorge]

Calm down Thanos

[worldly star]

it would most likely trigger several tsunamis if it was big enough

[arctic grove]

Nuked? No. Depopulated? Sure.

[tepid bison]

Plus Yellowstone isnt going off anytime soon

[ember shard]

Mhm

[arctic grove]

Nuclear winter isn't an improvement.

[ember shard]

I'm more worried about the San Andreas fault going off. Since we are actually overdue for it to

[tepid bison]

We are overdo for everything

We are overdo an extinction class meteor

And yellowstone

[ember shard]

Fair point

[tepid bison]

And volcanos and whatever

[arctic grove]

Waiting for the day.

[quiet pawn]

If anyone is drawing a check, remember, there is no such thing as Government Money. That is all tax money from working people.

[tepid bison]

It ain't happening

Soon anyway

[arctic grove]

Yeah the intimidate consequences would not be, but I am talking about decades in the future after the radiation had dissipated

[compact gorge]

Fun fact, overdue doesn't really mean much. It's at a scale of thousands of years

[arctic grove]

based

[soft kayak]

based

[tepid bison]

Yep

[arctic grove]

jinx

[soft kayak]

as if those regions would not be picked at by foreign powers like vultures after the fallout

[ember shard]

That fact it should have happened thousand years ago just shows that it could happen at any moment but honestly. Meh. Imma just live life now and if it happens in my time. Then so be it. I'll go from there.

[compact gorge]

You do realise the government is supposed to represent the people. So the government is the people, and the money is also the people's, so your statement doesn't make sense

[tepid bison]

Imagine if bf2042 was no climate change, just yellowstone going off in like 2039

[soft kayak]

"supposed to"

[worldly star]

the best thing you can do is just not worry about it

like you cant stop yellowstone or an earthquake

[compact gorge]

Well yeah, ideally.

[tepid bison]

Why worry if you cant control it

[ember shard]

Yeah and we are supposed to protect the people and overthrow any corrupt government per our declaration of Independence and we haven't

[soft kayak]

we dont live in ideal world. we live in the real world when govs dont give a fuck

[blissful sparrow]

i claimed bf 5 yaayy!!

for free

[tepid bison]

Nice

[ember shard]

GG @blissful sparrow

[arctic grove]

true

I mean...if the government represented the people I wouldn't have to be forced to work in literal suicide-level pain because disability doesn't give me enough to live in a cardboard box by myself, let alone a shithole apartment.

[tepid bison]

Gov sucks

Large organizations of people suck

[peak socket]

1942 to 2042 to 2142: 200 years of the Battlefield Franchise

[tepid bison]

People suck

[worldly star]

get muted in battlefield discord speedrun any%

[compact gorge]

So that battlefield

[soft kayak]

holy shit what do you do?

[arctic grove]

I really wish people could go back to being truly free, that way the natural order of life would be restored and overpopulation wouldn't be an issue, not to mention the benefits for the world

[ember shard]

I'll tell you how fucked up the world is. I'm 27 . I have free medical. I could literally get almost everything paid for. But my grandma who's 75 and has cancer. Has to pay hundreds a month for medical shit. Like , make it make sense

[tepid bison]

It won't

[spark acorn]

That is so edgy.

[tepid bison]

Sorry

[quiet pawn]

I could go full Libertarian and say Taxation is theft, but I would hurt your brain. I am simply stating that if you are not contributing along with the rest, you are killing the economy. Having a good economy is the only way to build tech to combat your climate change.

[spark acorn]

Is this the US?

[tepid bison]

But at least religion gives some comfort

[arctic grove]

How? It's literally true

[peak socket]

amirite?

[ember shard]

Yup

[soft kayak]

lol. The issue with this is that whatever place takes this route stands no chance against the places that dont. Yeah Im sure the large capitalist state will leave your poorly organized, resource rich land alone

[spark acorn]

The vibe you put out is what doomsday cults would say, and I don't care if its true, it's just sounds chaotic.

[tepid bison]

Better than a facist or communist one tho

I like capitalism because it ain't the other stuff

[arctic grove]

The world was a lot better off before we had governments

[arctic grove]

That's the thing, not much, because I can't do shit. I work 4 hours per day, 4 days a week, and by hour 2 I want to disappear. When I tell people I sold my Glock for "health reasons", yeah, that's the reason. Spent too long against my own head. I chose life, which is...honestly kind of hilarious.

[compact gorge]

If taxation is tefth, then how come public roads networks. Only possible through government spending tax money. Along with tons of tother things

[ember shard]

The government treats elderly people like shit because they are old and could die at any moment. So why put the time and effort into it. Whereas someone who's younger on paper has a longer life. It's fucked tbh

[tepid bison]

Everything is

[spark acorn]

Simple times, yeah. Majority of people wouldn't like that though.

[arctic grove]

I'm speaking about getting rid of societies like that

[tepid bison]

Not really

[ember shard]

I'm honestly about to just go live off grid lol

[tepid bison]

I like running water

And good food

[soft kayak]

yeah Im sure every region in the world will agree to do that at once

[spark acorn]

Yeah, I don't want to get my water.

[tepid bison]

And medicine

[compact gorge]

Anyway imma dip from this conversations. So bye

[spark acorn]

I don't want to hunt for my food.

[arctic grove]

Yeah they are used to sitting inside doing nothing all day breathing in the toxic fumes from the local sweatshops and the 30 wildfires out back due to global warming

[buoyant fulcrum]

alphas hunt for their food

[arctic grove]

good life

[tepid bison]

Like it or not life is much better now than it ever has been

[worldly star]

they treat them worse and give them less because they dont work and cant make money for them

[arctic grove]

Anyway, that was way too dark for this chat, but I was just replying to the then-current conversation. 🙃

[tepid bison]

Ateast if ur on discord rn

[lofty fog]

WTF is happens here ?

[spark acorn]

Sounds like the US.

[arctic grove]

It was a wish, not a demand or a belief

[ember shard]

People need to learn how to survive on their own in the wild. What is everyone gonna do when the world goes back to the dark ages lol ? This generation (gen z) would be fucked the most

[arctic grove]

just a dream that wont happen

[worldly star]

no clue

[tepid bison]

I would much rather be a homeless man now than be a king of a german state in 1099

[spark acorn]

People straight up started talking about societal collapse, and shit.

[ember shard]

Unfortunately

[arctic grove]

Sounds like every continent on earth

[soft kayak]

even if it does happen Id give it 100 years before a state rears its ugly head

[spark acorn]

Except for Antarctica 😆

[ember shard]

Idk what's going on. Others were talking about IRL guns. Then it got more political and I joined in

[arctic grove]

Fair enough

[worldly star]

im gonna just live my life not caring bc i cant change anything 👍

[tepid bison]

Same

[arctic grove]

This is the issue

[tepid bison]

That's how I cured my depression

[arctic grove]

people need to take action

[tepid bison]

Mostly

[worldly star]

your mom is the issue

[tepid bison]

I just stop carinf

[arctic grove]

I mean that's generally how I run too. I stopped caring a long time ago.

[spark acorn]

Like what can they do.

[lofty fog]

I never knew we are here for a political debate

[spark acorn]

we're just a small contributing factor.

[soft kayak]

but also like have a contingency plan incase things go to hell

[ember shard]

The problem is you shouldn't have to. The reason there is so much weight on our shoulders is because previous generations fucked up

[tepid bison]

Yes

Be prepared

[spark acorn]

It's governments that need to take action, straight up need to start working a better way for the future of us.

[tepid bison]

But dont be afraid

[worldly star]

man i just wanted to come talk about potential vehicles for battlefield 2042 and then they started talking about nuclear winter or smth

[spark acorn]

But yeah, they're bad so what can we do.

[arctic grove]

you can do a lot more than you think, but every day the governments around the globe slowly take away more power from the people

[tepid bison]

Gov wont do shit

Why would they

[ember shard]

We should get back to BF talk

[lofty fog]

😂

[spark acorn]

Like?

[tepid bison]

China

Russia

[ember shard]

Before we all get muted lol

[tepid bison]

North korea

3rd world states

[arctic grove]

Every major government on the face of the planet, without naming them for discord rules reasons

[soft kayak]

fuck no this is way more interesting than hyping some game that isnt out yet

[spark acorn]

Sounds hot.

[arctic grove]

facts nito

[worldly star]

i wonder if well see sam turrets in 2042

[tepid bison]

Im.tired of hearing about bf2042 at this point

Call me when the game is out

[spark acorn]

I'd like to see you try out an action rn to stop global warming.

[ember shard]

Ok and lol ? We got into a huge topic about political shit when the server rules literally state no politics. And I just came off a 24hr mute. I ain't tryna go back to gulag

[nova ice]

seeing as nothing has really been revealed

other than 2042

[tepid bison]

"New gun in 2042?!?! New evidence in trailer suggests pope Francis is now a specialist"

[nova ice]

shpuldnt everything be relevant?#

[tepid bison]

Every day

[sinful olive]

hi

https://youtu.be/ukbBGgch-NA

[nova ice]

cant type when drunks:S

[soft kayak]

also, 2042 is a game about ecological collapse so we're on topic

[tepid bison]

Yes

[nova ice]

my brain thinks it can

[spark acorn]

No advertising here, thanks.

[worldly star]

no

[tepid bison]

Joe

[ember shard]

We aren't talking about game politics tho lol

[worldly star]

momma

[nova ice]

my fingersa still doinhg the movements

[tepid bison]

Yeah back to the point I was talking about 2 hours ago

[arctic grove]

I have already

[tepid bison]

Why ate the sea levels the same in 2042

[spark acorn]

By doing what?

[tepid bison]

If it's about climate chang

[worldly star]

probably bought a tesla or smth lmao

[tepid bison]

Make no sense

[spark acorn]

lmao, bet.

[arctic grove]

Even if it's a small piece of the puzzle, just cutting down on your own emissions can do a big part

[nova ice]

theres an ad right now in uk

[ember shard]

I got work in the morning. Y'all have a goodnight. It was fun Talkin

[next onyx]

Maybe a good idea to not be in the chat when under the influence.

Take care.

[tepid bison]

I dont care about climate politics

[ember shard]

You as well

[worldly star]

definitely

[nova ice]

about stoppin global warming

[spark acorn]

Bye.

[nova ice]

its just kids

[ember shard]

Byee

[late lark]

Climate isnt about politics

We chose to make it political

[nova ice]

giving there opinion

[worldly star]

it really shouldnt be but

yk how ppl are

[arctic grove]

Very true

[soft kayak]

so basically I think this is "the great filter"

• expansionist cultures take out any non expansionist cultures
• expansionist cultures destroy eachother.
  And with this little bit of natural selection we have an explanation for why there are no aliens. This would happen to any species with society. We are fucked.

[tepid bison]

When the gov says stop during cars and use bicycles while having gas guzzling tanks and pil refineries etc

Makes me pissed

[nova ice]

what

we didnt choose to make it political

[spark acorn]

I think the Zoo Hypothesis sounds more realistic here.

[tepid bison]

We did

[nova ice]

its something that happened

[next onyx]

I was actually about to say yeah, It was made political because people made it so.

Wonder if there'll be a map based in Australia in 2042