battlefield-2042

[simple linden]

it wont increase your maximum speed tho xd, if you direct the foil you will just have better speed in that area, while other areas will suffer in speed

the only exception for that rule is apex as far as i know

[arctic grove]

What if I directly to PC?

[onyx oar]

true, I have all my progress on Origin so I can't really make the switch 😦

[simple linden]

you dont need to run origin if you run apex through steam

[onyx oar]

tho we were talking about xbox gamepass

[simple linden]

you mean via a LAN cable?

well, thats the best option

[arctic grove]

I can plug in PC with LAN cable, that's good option.

[onyx oar]

imagine using wifi. that's like some shit caveman used before going on hunts

[simple linden]

i know, ea games in general work that way, doesnt matter what platform youre on, you still need to run origin through that other launcher, except apex

yes, using a lan cable is superior in every way

youre getting full speed and minimal latency

[onyx oar]

cable clan RISE UP

[simple linden]

packet loss can be frequent with wifi

if the router is shit

and ISP's usually give shit routers

[radiant prism]

Ethernet superiority

[arctic grove]

I believe it

I have some netgear lol

[onyx oar]

netgear is mostly decent

[simple linden]

well asus is also decent

but not those that are like 20-30e

[arctic grove]

Damn, I think your right.

[onyx oar]

you mean that alien space ship router asus sells? 😛

[simple linden]

thats the pricepoint that ISP's usually aim towards when they provide you with a router

[arctic grove]

[simple linden]

just run a lan cable to your pc

[onyx oar]

A few years back I called my ISP and told them their router was shit. Got a free update immediatly

[simple linden]

its the easiest and cheapest way to improve your connectivity

especially when it comes to gaming

lool

[arctic grove]

You could get wifi in your room and plug the PC with ethernet from wifi.

I mean wifi broadband or something.

[simple linden]

depends what kind of a router you have

if its like 2 in 1 combo

they are the most common that you get from ISPs

its just one box that serves as a wifi router and an option to connect through lan

[arctic grove]

ISPs, got it.

Well I'm on like BT from UK.

[simple linden]

do you have just one box?

[arctic grove]

Ermm, I got box like 4 years ago.

[simple linden]

but is it just one?

[arctic grove]

just one.

[simple linden]

okay, then its that 2 in 1 combo unit

[arctic grove]

Errmm yeah with router.

[simple linden]

so you just basically buy a lan cable, 10-20-30m depends how far it is from your pc

you connect one end to your router, and the other end to your pc

and youre good to go

and you dont need to worry about signal loss either, you can go up to 100m with Cat5E LAN cable before you get any sort of signal loss

[arctic grove]

Yeah, that'll be fine

[slim quiver]

Im going to say it

Wi-Fi is terrible

[flint jay]

Well yeah

[slim quiver]

Hardwire literally everything you can

I never trust any system or “router Wi-Fi booster”

[flint jay]

Using a booster probably slows your network down

The further it has to travel the slower it gets

Or get one of those OP 6GHz routers

That are like 500 dollars

[muted sparrow]

Im in ea play currently

I am testing out bf

Ps5 and xbox crossplay

Will keep u guys updated 😃

👍

[visual kite]

Pic or did not happen

[sacred depot]

my condolences

[arctic grove]

Yep lol

[craggy marten]

You like my take? Or what DICE is giving you?

I also feel like games that shut down like that should be given free updates where you can actually play offline

[arctic grove]

When is the new battlefield coming out

[craggy marten]

To actually keep the game alive in a way

[onyx oar]

next week

[arctic grove]

K

[craggy marten]

October 22nd

15th if you preorder

[arctic grove]

K

[onyx oar]

All I wanted was to be able to play offline with bots 😦

[craggy marten]

So yea, DICE, make something so we can play your games in the futute without worrying about servers shutting down

Same for the previous games

[onyx oar]

no you can't

[craggy marten]

The same thing I mentioned earlier

[onyx oar]

You literally have to be online and connect to a server to play with bots

[craggy marten]

Someone has alzheimers

[elfin reef]

What

[onyx oar]

Dont worry too much about it, bf3 is 10 years old and still has servers

[craggy marten]

Give people a way to play multiplayer without them worrying about the servers shutting down in the future

That's what i'm talking about @cloud pulsar

[onyx oar]

hell bad company 2 still has servers

and yup games die

however an offline mode with bots would be great to have when the servers are shut down and you want a trip down memory lane

[craggy marten]

No

That's clearly not true

[median escarp]

A offline mode with bots would be very nice

[craggy marten]

Yes

That's what i'm saying

[median escarp]

Yea

[onyx oar]

He literally stated before that he finds it annoying to have to be always online even when wanting to play against bots

NO ONE mentioned singleplayer

omg this guy dont get it

[craggy marten]

I want Bots to be added in past games so people can play them without worrying of abandoned lobbies

[proven torrent]

yeah... but the AI will be run server-side..... a client side 128 player AI simulation would probably fry your pc since DICE says its actual simulation not pre-programmed bots

[craggy marten]

Maybe in some Remastered BF collection maybe?

[median escarp]

I kinda forgot about that part

[onyx oar]

I know. I'm not too worried about it since bf games have a long life span

[proven torrent]

that's what battlehub (not sure about the name, but you get it) is all about, right?

[craggy marten]

No

Battlehub is its own mode

You play in previous maps

[onyx oar]

battlehub is remakes of old maps etc

[craggy marten]

But with the weapons and vehicles of old games

Not the same as playing BF3 or BF4

[proven torrent]

yeah at least this time dice won't abandon like they did to

[craggy marten]

Yes the maps get remastered with better physics

[arctic grove]

will we see remastered maps from older battlefields in 2042?

[craggy marten]

But it's not the same

[arctic grove]

ah

[onyx oar]

you really dont get what we are saying hahahahahahaha

[craggy marten]

Maybe the rumors were wrong in that aspect

[onyx oar]

no you dont

[craggy marten]

Where you dont use weapons of old games

[onyx oar]

you literally have no clue what we are saying and you try to insult us for some weird reason without understanding the point we make

man I'm laughing like crazy atm

[proven torrent]

it's confirmed... but do you mean older than BF3?.... rumours say arica harbour can make a comeback ( from )

[arctic grove]

ah nice, and yeah just maps from older battlefield games and the best ones from the recent ones

[onyx oar]

sinai pretty please?

[craggy marten]

Look at what happened to titanfall 2

[cinder tide]

We need strike at karkand

[craggy marten]

Game got DDOSSED and no one can play it

By some fat ass

In his basement I bet

Omfg

That if someone DDOSSES BF2042

There will be no way to play it

At all

[onyx oar]

puts on hazmat suit

[craggy marten]

Because its all fucking online

If this was a game like fortnite i'd be fine because its free

But not a 70 DOLLAR GAME

[onyx oar]

yo I really like ice cream, you guys like ice cream?

[craggy marten]

Bro you trolling

[proven chasm]

I guess being the best isn’t enough

[onyx oar]

[royal trail]

[onyx oar]

me on the weekends

[proven torrent]

@cloud pulsar let me get that GIF for ya

[proven chasm]

[proven torrent]

link plmz

your gif won't embed since you don't have the perms

[onyx oar]

it wasnt him that send it lol

[proven torrent]

oh....

😅

[onyx oar]

ebic fail

[proven chasm]

POV 🚬 and we get to play multiplayer only. Ok finally.

[arctic grove]

battlefield is fake

[craggy marten]

The Field in the battle aint real fellas

I DDOSED the field

[proven torrent]

[proven chasm]

Neither I’m loyal

Yes happy but to explain why is I don’t have to choose between campaign and mutliplayer I can just do what I like most. So I can be a high rank

[tribal wyvern]

bad comapny 2 is good

but it's super overrated

i think people look mroe on the campaign than the multiplayer

and since the campaign is so good, they think it's the best bf game

and no one looks at how restricted the fov is, how the animations are and how long the ttk is................

[onyx oar]

haha tracer dart go BOOOOM

[tribal wyvern]

and they waffle over the destruction but the destruction is the same as bf3 bf4 and bf1 even does it better than that

YEWS

YES

EXACTLY

bf heroes is one big example

everyone thinks it was amazing

but when you play risinghub which is its revival

[onyx oar]

wut

[tribal wyvern]

it sucks so damn bad

it's full of tryhards and pay to win items and everything

i used to

not anymore

[onyx oar]

I never heard anyone ever say heroes was good

[tribal wyvern]

i love battlefield 1943

but i can't revisit it to see if i'm looking through a nostalgia lens or not

it's console exclusive

and my ps3 is broken

so i can't revisit it

but anyways i think that one is actually underrated

it was simple, sure

but it was amazing

the one problem with bf 1943 was prob the graphics and the fact its pc port was cancelled to focus more on bf3

which is horse shit, since bf 1943 uses the same engine bad comapny 2 does

yet they ported bad company 2 to pc

BUT NOT BF 1943

TIL?

what's TIL

[onyx oar]

today i learned

[tribal wyvern]

YOU DIDN'T KNOW BATTLEFIELD 1943 EXISTED?!

no fuckin way

my heart's broken

it's as if you take bf 2042

[onyx oar]

servers are still up for the game lol

[tribal wyvern]

but it's ww2

and console exclusive

and you get 1943

no campaign

just mp

online only

it sucks so bad bf 1943's pc port was cancelled

[onyx oar]

codename eagle was the legit first battlefield game when it comes to real life lore

[tribal wyvern]

why does everyone think codename eagle's a battlefield game?

it's not related at all

it's just a separate game

[onyx oar]

same studio and engine

they got bought and made bf1942

[tribal wyvern]

yes but that doesn't make it a battlefield game..............

[onyx oar]

but it makes it a game that led to battlefield

[tribal wyvern]

that still does not make it a battlefield game

that's like saying medal of honor allied assault is a cod game cuz it led to cod

[onyx oar]

so lorewise it's part of battlefield

[tribal wyvern]

yes

[onyx oar]

fuck im old

[tribal wyvern]

this is the same thing for real tho

cuz 2015 inc which developed medal of honor allied assault left the team to form infinity ward which lead to cod's creation

[misty sedge]

@tribal wyvern hi lemon. You like lemon?

[tribal wyvern]

ironically, it was meant to be a direct rival to medal of honor and yet today it's a rival to battlefield which was nowhere near related to cod or medal of honor lmao

rival to medal of honor's laughable

medal of honor died very quickly

yes exactly, that's the point i'm trying to make

unipoke's saying codename eagle is a bf game cuz it lead to battlefield

yes

[onyx oar]

@tribal wyvern imma need you to chill, don't take it too serious. ofcourse codename eagle isnt a bf game but it is part of how bf came about which makes it an important piece of media when it comes to the creation of the first bf game

[tribal wyvern]

wait no actually

battlefield, medal of honor and cod are all tied together btw

[rugged forge]

Codename eagle?

[tribal wyvern]

the first one was medal of honor

then some 2015 inc devs left to make infinity ward to make cod to rival medal of honor

[onyx oar]

the sutdio and devs created this fps before creating bf1942

[civic leaf]

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[tribal wyvern]

and then EA got the codename eagle devs to make battlefield 1942 to act as a counterattack sort of

[onyx oar]

what kind?

[civic leaf]

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[rugged forge]

I know alot about battlefield history never heard of that interesting

[tribal wyvern]

literally this trio of beautiful franchises was all from teh same publisher...........

[onyx oar]

get out now

[civic leaf]

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[tribal wyvern]

EA caused the creation of cod

bit of a mind fuck isn't it

[onyx oar]

don't hit me with those puppy eyes.

[civic leaf]

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[tribal wyvern]

it's so weird

to think that battlefield literally came to be to rival cod and be a sort of "companion" to medal of honor

[onyx oar]

STALKER lead to the creation of the Metro games

[tribal wyvern]

the reaosn these were all meant to be rivals at the start was because they were all ww2 at the time

[rugged forge]

Medal of honor rising sun was the best one change my mind.

[tribal wyvern]

they were ww2 shooter rivals

they ended up going their separate ways and cod went with the shitshow we all know

medal of honor was abandonded pretty much

and battlefeild is what we know it today

[onyx oar]

@tribal wyvern seriously tho I know they not part of the same franchise but it is cool how one game can lead to a lot of other games.

[tribal wyvern]

it is ain't it?

also cod literlaly copied allied assault

it was meant to be a rival but the gameplay was pretty much the same

[onyx oar]

Titanfall got created due to COD

[tribal wyvern]

compare the two and you'll see a huge similarity

[rugged forge]

Ye but the story in cod was objectively cooler

[tribal wyvern]

it seems most of EA's popular franchises were all created to rival cod then??????

[rugged forge]

Especially the Russians

NOT oNE sTEP BACK

[onyx oar]

well there was a period studios tried that. Halo and COD killers they were called. COD-killer is still being used today

[onyx oar]

which COD?

[rugged forge]

Finest hour

[tribal wyvern]

battlefield-killer has just been created

[rugged forge]

Og

[tribal wyvern]

cuz of WW3 (the game)

[rugged forge]

Big red one was meh from what I remember

[tribal wyvern]

they're trying super hard to be a rival to bf 2042 they copied it

no seriously

[rugged forge]

That was when band of brothers was popular

[tribal wyvern]

it looks super similar

[rugged forge]

They cashed in on that hype hard

[tribal wyvern]

that's why i'm nicknaming it the "f2p bf 2042" rather than the bf killer

cuz it's not killing bf it's just a backup for who can't run or afford bf 2042 lmao

[onyx oar]

it's always the same story, some ''game-killer'' is gonna come out but 10 to 20 games fail miserably before one gets the job done

[tribal wyvern]

let's be real here

[onyx oar]

let's be polygon here

[rugged forge]

Calling Something a (insert game) killer is just setting up for failure period

Remember how they pushed bf3 as the cod killer

[onyx oar]

creating the dark souls of fps

I just remember bf3 being this jaw dropping gorgeous game

for the time ofcourse

[rugged forge]

It was a great game

Still is but it didn't "kill cod"

Lmao

[onyx oar]

sadly didnt have a pc back then 😦

[rugged forge]

Ah yes ps3 sub 720p

The glory days

[tribal wyvern]

still don't believe ps3 games were 720p

i bet if i could revisit my ps3 i'd barf at the aliasing and bad quality

[rugged forge]

Oh they weren't

[tribal wyvern]

i remember them looking so good lmao

[onyx oar]

ps3 back when it released hurt my brain

[tribal wyvern]

i got a ps3 super slim model

[rugged forge]

It's still amazing battlefield 3 could run on 500mb of vram

[onyx oar]

like the graphics were so good

now the ps3 graphics are kinda stinky hahaha

[tribal wyvern]

look back at bf3 on the ps3 qand your brain will hut even more

it runs at like 20 fps half the time with very headache inducing aliasing

[rugged forge]

I'll say this playing on a CRT gave you a big reaction time advantage if you were old school

I miss crts

[onyx oar]

I was more suprised with how far they pushed the 360

[rugged forge]

Zero latency

Yea

[arctic grove]

Xbox 360 was my favourite old console

[rugged forge]

The 360 was honestly the goat

Never had one unfortunately

[onyx oar]

cause damn they pushed that console to its absolute limits

[arctic grove]

Played some Black Ops 2 with the boys

Good times

[onyx oar]

i had a 360 and it was great

[arctic grove]

Pog console

[onyx oar]

played halo reach with my little brother all the time

good times

[arctic grove]

Halo also good

[onyx oar]

very big nostalgia lens

[rugged forge]

Dude og xbox was insanely powerful for the time looking back and reading about it thing still surprises me

[arctic grove]

I have MC Collection on my Xbox One X also

[onyx oar]

-redacted-

[arctic grove]

I am gonna be playing Halo Infinite on my PC

Can’t wait for it

[rugged forge]

I wanna grab a series s

[onyx oar]

not sure if i can say that :/

[rugged forge]

One thing xbox has is backwards compatibility it hurts not to be able to play my ps2 games on ps4

[onyx oar]

I was gonna buy one but since xbox is investing in pc it aint really worth it imo

[rugged forge]

Hey anyone remember the battlefield 2 console port battlefield 2 "modern combat"

[onyx oar]

wait for that ps5 cause Sony aint playing ball

[arctic grove]

I bought my Xbox one x before my pc

[rugged forge]

Had the hot swaping

[onyx oar]

yes and it was great

[rugged forge]

Into different soldiers

What a great concept

[arctic grove]

I think my pc beats a series s

Series s gpu is equivalent to Rx 580 iirc

[onyx oar]

honestly that campaign was elevated to greatness because of that mechanic

[rugged forge]

I wish that had showed up in later titles

It really was a cool mechanic

[onyx oar]

I wish it was released on pc 😦

[rugged forge]

OOF

Was that game on the proto version of frostbite?

[onyx oar]

yo imagine if battlehub brings back some of those maps

[rugged forge]

I'm actually wondering it couldn't have been the og engine

[onyx oar]

oof I don't remember. I remember buying it in a package with battlefront 2 (2005)

now that was the best 20 bucks i spent as a kid

[rugged forge]

Back when battlefront 2 was a battlefield clone

Shoulda stayed that way tbh

[onyx oar]

battlefront 2 the new one is also a bf clone tbh

[rugged forge]

Close but not as close as I'd like

[onyx oar]

but i dont mind

[rugged forge]

Lmao

[random pumice]

I honestly think it’s for the best

[onyx oar]

just blasting and swooshing lightsabers is good fun

[random pumice]

Battlefront 2015 was underwhelming

[rugged forge]

It was

[onyx oar]

yeah it had a severe case of lackluster content

but damn that sounds design and graphics

[random pumice]

Definitely fantastic

[onyx oar]

first things first tho

what you throwing into the tornado first?

[marsh iris]

You

[onyx oar]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[barren hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/battlefield2042-2042-battlefield-battlefield-tornado-tornado-gif-21887629

[lofty shore]

[mellow scarab]

feel like BF2042 devs gonna copy bf5 even tho everytone said it was a bad game

[lofty shore]

bf5 remastered

[mellow scarab]

kinda looks like it as well with the squad revives and 4 man squad

[minor helm]

There only going to copie the movement system

Which was the only good thing about bf5

So see this as a win

[mellow scarab]

ngl i prefer bf4 movement

[minor helm]

It sucks lmfao

[mellow scarab]

bf5 movement feels restrcited

[minor helm]

No

Have you ever played bf5

[tribal wyvern]

what?

bruh it's the other way around

[mellow scarab]

im playing bf5 rn

[tribal wyvern]

bf4 feels restricted

bf5 feels fluid

[minor helm]

[mellow scarab]

not for me

[minor helm]

For most it does

[mellow scarab]

bf5 feels slow

[tribal wyvern]

if bf4 had bf5's gunplay and movement it would've been the best fps game ever

[lofty shore]

bf4 is restricted

[mellow scarab]

bf4 is the right speed

[minor helm]

Bf5 is so fluid its great

[tribal wyvern]

it's the best battlefield but not the best fps game ever cuz of the gunplay and movement : (

[craggy marten]

Good thing the movement in this game is being made by the same team that did the BF5 movement

[minor helm]

Bf4 movement you get stuck everywere you cant jump over most objects

[lofty shore]

when was the last time u saw someone stuck anywhere on locker or metro

[mellow scarab]

bf4 movement i mean the running jumping

[minor helm]

Nah bf5 better

[craggy marten]

That's Locker and Metro

[minor helm]

Bf4 feels more like cod

[lofty shore]

did u see anyone stuck on silk road then?

or shanghai?

[craggy marten]

In maps like Siege of shanghai and Golmud you can get stuck yhere

[mellow scarab]

bf5 flopped in my opninon not very much wa good if anything at all

[minor helm]

[cobalt breach]

i've never gotten stuck in shanghai

ever

[lofty shore]

i dont know what are u using to move around with but ive never got stuck on etither of these

[craggy marten]

I have like 50 times

[minor helm]

I said only good thing was the movement

[cobalt breach]

which part?

just curious, not being obtuse

[mellow scarab]

dont like the transition to sliding ngl

[minor helm]

Lmao you cant jump over things 1 meter high

[minor helm]

Ahh

[mellow scarab]

everyone just slide spams

[minor helm]

Most people like it

[mellow scarab]

and all they can do is add a cooldonw

[minor helm]

They said they will reduce the slide spam

[mellow scarab]

no the sliding mechanic just dont like it like battlefield aint cod

[minor helm]

Bf5 has the best movement from grounded fps shooters

[mellow scarab]

lol what

[cobalt breach]

i doubt that

[misty sedge]

I want ttk to be between bf5 and bf4.

[minor helm]

*most

[minor helm]

Yea

[cobalt breach]

yeah, they just need to fix ttk

[craggy marten]

What about the movement in BF1

[misty sedge]

Bf5 was fast

[mellow scarab]

ngl just want them to copy bf4

[craggy marten]

[mellow scarab]

bf5 was slow

[minor helm]

I found it kinda fast lmao

[cobalt breach]

it was slow cos of the lack of vehicles

[arctic grove]

Same

[cobalt breach]

not because of the movement

[lofty shore]

BF4 air physics thats all i want them to keep

[misty sedge]

In bf4 it felt like u were shooting pebbles at times

[cobalt breach]

that's what i feel

[mellow scarab]

no play bf4 then bf5 after everyone is slow like u gotta run 5 miles to find someone

[cobalt breach]

actually, my biggest wish

[minor helm]

I love slide jumping around corners in bf5

[cobalt breach]

is they get a better anticheat

[minor helm]

Yea

I think they will

[cobalt breach]

that's all they bloody need

[mellow scarab]

always gonna be hackers u cant stop that

[arctic grove]

I'd prefer bfv soldier movement

[edgy eagle]

!when

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 Reveal Trailer: https://youtu.be/ASzOzrB-a9E
Battlefield 2042 Gameplay Trailer: https://youtu.be/WomAGoEh-Ss
Time: <t:1626973200:R>

[minor helm]

Ea wont let their new biggest game die of because of some 9ry hackers

[cobalt breach]

i mean, i play on asian servers

[minor helm]

Same

[cobalt breach]

you won't believe the amount of hackers here

[minor helm]

Rip

[cobalt breach]

as compared to EU or NA servers.

[arctic grove]

5 DAYSSS

[minor helm]

Ugh

[misty sedge]

Since there are 128 players, there should be 2 seater fighter jets

[arctic grove]

[minor helm]

Lmao

Pls nerf littlebird

[cobalt breach]

would you prefer pilot or WSO

coordination's gonna be a bitch

imagine lining up a JDAM drop and having your WSO sleep through it

[misty sedge]

Wso like a the pilot who controles the rockets? @cobalt breach

[arctic grove]

Bruh

[mellow scarab]

in my opninon bf4 did everything perfectly

[minor helm]

Not fully but most yea

[cobalt breach]

yeah, WSO's the guy who presses the fire button

[misty sedge]

@cobalt breach ya I wanna blow shit up

[cobalt breach]

pilot just...flies

[minor helm]

Vichles were to op tho in bf4

[mellow scarab]

what was wrong with it

[cobalt breach]

nah

nothing wrong with vehicles

most are useless against a coordinated squad

[misty sedge]

@cobalt breach in the gameplay trailer, there's a helicopter that has 2 gunners and a pilot.

@misty sedge looks powerful

[minor helm]

Having thermal sight on a tank is a bad combo

[cobalt breach]

it's probably just the usual pilot/gunner combo

[minor helm]

To op

You have no change qgainst a vichle with thermal sight

[cobalt breach]

i feel it's fine?

flares/incendiaries/torches/lasers

[minor helm]

You cant even sneek past them

[cobalt breach]

and that's why the DICE LA camo exists

lol

[minor helm]

And a good littlebird pilot can litterly destroy an enemy team

[minor helm]

Lmao

They should boost igla

[cobalt breach]

they need more AA options

[minor helm]

Yea

[cobalt breach]

MANPADs or something

[lofty shore]

@minor helmthats not true

[minor helm]

AA was to op tho in bf5

[lofty shore]

a good littlebird will do nothing against an enemy team that actually wants to take it down

[stark nacelle]

Igla is a MANPADS

[cobalt breach]

uh mb

was thinking more like a TOW based AA

they had those in BF2

[minor helm]

Yes but 90% of the matches you dont have such a team

[cobalt breach]

iirc

[stark nacelle]

There were TOW launchers and stationary Stinger positions

[lofty shore]

and 90% u dont have a god littlebird pilot

lol

[cobalt breach]

i don't think BF4 had stationary AAs

[minor helm]

On ps4 many matches

[lofty shore]

it had u just couldnt pilot them

how can u tell they're really good?

[minor helm]

Tow but not really specific AA

[cobalt breach]

yeah

[stark nacelle]

You can use TOW's against helicopters

[lofty shore]

no offense but it could also be the team being bad rather than pilo t being good

[stark nacelle]

Just get good

[minor helm]

Because they dominate the match die zero times

Get the highest kills

[worldly star]

you guys think theyll let you use actual flight sim controllers for jets and planes in bf2042

[willow badger]

I know this nerd at work he somehow manages to get them. I’m just waiting to move in to my new place to get everything setup.

[cobalt breach]

i do that, it's more of something like having an option, as opposed to just IGLA

[minor helm]

Now how to deal with igla's

[lofty shore]

i saw a 25mm user go on liek 50 killstreak

[stark nacelle]

You have stingers as well

[cobalt breach]

sometimes i want to braindead lock and fire

y'know

[minor helm]

Lmao

[stark nacelle]

or use attack boat

[lofty shore]

it didnt mean hes good

[stark nacelle]

or AA tank

or UCAV

[lofty shore]

he just had no1 better than him

[willow badger]

I wish battlefield had kill streaks like cod

[stark nacelle]

cringe

[cobalt breach]

that'd make BF too OP imo

[tribal wyvern]

yes

[minor helm]

The prob is if youre team has bad pilots

[tribal wyvern]

they typically register as normal controllers

so their inputs will work

[minor helm]

The match is kinda over already

[tribal wyvern]

you jsut gotta bind them properly

i own a flight sim stick

it's detected by every game

[misty sedge]

U guys think they'll go into detail what the destruction will be like at ea play?

[tribal wyvern]

and in some it interferes with normal gameplay

[cobalt breach]

no chance

[minor helm]

Yes

[lofty shore]

if both teams have bad pilots then the round is pretty much dceided entirely by ground

[minor helm]

Yes

[tribal wyvern]

and by this i means it registers bot hth e controller's input and mouse input

[cobalt breach]

having a dogfight with a m/kb is a bad time though

[minor helm]

So im hopefull for bf 2042's lobby balancing

[stark nacelle]

Like helis are easy to take down, it's just hard to take them down lone wolf

[lofty shore]

@cobalt breachhuh

[cobalt breach]

for me at least

table has limited space

[lofty shore]

ive been having bad times all the time

[somber nebula]

bruh thats why 90% of the people obviously rebind

[minor helm]

I want to see heli's get stuck in tornados

[lofty shore]

bind pitchup to space

[cobalt breach]

oh yeah, i forgot PLDs and SOFLAMs

[lofty shore]

and set a high dpi if thats not enough for ur aim or whatever

its not like u have to be surgically precise to hit in a df

[cobalt breach]

fair enough, but i don't practice enough flying to care too

[tribal wyvern]

they will actually

[minor helm]

I hope visibility will be good in 2042 im done getting killed bye a prone lmg in bf5

[tribal wyvern]

you can see one in it in the reveal trailer at the end

[minor helm]

[cobalt breach]

the biggest problem i can see

[tribal wyvern]

well there's ground deformation so they might take advantage of holes in the ground

[cobalt breach]

is the skins

causing issues with visibility

[tribal wyvern]

i hope that jets don't implode as soon as they touch the ground but actually SLIDE into the ground like a real crash

[cobalt breach]

CoD had that problem with one particular skin

[tribal wyvern]

just slides very violently into the ground until it stops

[minor helm]

Yea but bf5 visibility is horrible lmao

[tribal wyvern]

and it leaves behind the tracks?

[cobalt breach]

it made people...virtually invisitble

[lofty shore]

killing every purple anime skin user because they're too easy to see

[misty sedge]

@tribal wyvern in the trailer u can see tank tracks

[minor helm]

Would be epic

[minor helm]

[lofty shore]

i hope the z-11w no longer crashes upon any kind of landing

[misty sedge]

The the path that the tank had had gone leaving traces @tribal wyvern

[tribal wyvern]

yes imagine thati n first person

just screaming BRACE FOR IMPACT

[cobalt breach]

trailers and actual gameplay are always polar opposites

[tribal wyvern]

and that happens

tehn you get out the jet and fight with a pilot loadout

like with bf1 you get a pilot loadout

[minor helm]

I need 2042 gameplay

[cobalt breach]

i don't expect much

i just hope...it's decent

with a proper damn anticheat

[minor helm]

Epic

[tribal wyvern]

i would be so fucking happy if jets slide on the ground and leave behind tracks

if tanks can do that

[minor helm]

Rip China

[tribal wyvern]

i hope jets can too

[mortal raft]

For Battlefield gameplay trailers have usually been representative of the graphics.

[tribal wyvern]

imagine a jet getting damaged

and it starts to crash

and it c rashes right into like a big gunfight

[cobalt breach]

i've been lied to by ubisoft way too much, so it's just personal skepticism

[tribal wyvern]

just gunfighting then a fuckin jet violently crashes against the ground and slides in and prob kills a few people

[minor helm]

I want to see it plum into a building and so trigger a levolutiin

Levolution*

[mortal raft]

It's DICE, not Ubisoft though

[misty sedge]

@cobalt breach I agree but star wars battlerfront 2's gameplay looks like the trailer it had

[minor helm]

I want to kamikaze

[tribal wyvern]

you can't dig into buildings by crashing into them with jets btw

[arctic grove]

Anyone from Netherlands here help me out?

[tribal wyvern]

you see it in the trailer

[cobalt breach]

ubisoft and CDPR

[tribal wyvern]

the heli just explodes

[minor helm]

[cobalt breach]

hey, you never know

[tribal wyvern]

it'll prob happen with the ground, digging into it and sliding into it when crashing with a jet and heli?

[arctic grove]

[tribal wyvern]

but into a building? nah

[arctic grove]

With Enough of them you might

[tribal wyvern]

dude imagine with ah eli!!!

[cobalt breach]

i dropped $110 for this, so i'm just hoping it's gonna be good

[tribal wyvern]

it doesn't explode

BUT

it just sldies

[minor helm]

Oof

[tribal wyvern]

liek you lose control

it spins

[misty sedge]

Battlefront 2 graphics looks like a trailer

[tribal wyvern]

and you crash against the ground

[minor helm]

Rip kamikaze

[tribal wyvern]

DUDE THAT WOULD BE SO COOL

[minor helm]

Yea

[tribal wyvern]

i'm all for ground deformation with vehicles

[cobalt breach]

if it does, that'll be the best

[tribal wyvern]

because they don't explode into a fireball when they crash

[cobalt breach]

please, punish my RTX 3080.

[minor helm]

I feel like battlefront 2 graphics are better than bf5

[tribal wyvern]

they usually slide if it's an emergency landing or they exploed AFTERWARDS

[cobalt breach]

whip it, lash it

[minor helm]

Gimme

[cobalt breach]

just put it to work

[mortal raft]

Tbf, CDPR had a big "not representative of final game" in the gameplay.
And well, apart from the NPCs, the PC version on max does look better than that trailer.

[tribal wyvern]

like directly crashing into thr ground without trying to get an emergency landing will make the vehicle explode into a lot of pieces

but not explode into a fireball

just fall apart

i hope that happens

[minor helm]

Ahh

[tribal wyvern]

just jets turning into debris when they crash face first

[minor helm]

I want to kamikaze camping snipers

[tribal wyvern]

and be able to make emergency landings

[minor helm]

[cobalt breach]

yeah, not representative of final gameplay doesn't mean you get to downgrade the UI by 90%

[mortal raft]

UI? Do you mean AI?

[cobalt breach]

both, actually

[split schooner]

Crash landing feature is present in bf 2042 if that's what you sre talking about

[cobalt breach]

UI and AI

[tribal wyvern]

YESSS

YESS

YES

THAT'S WHAT I WANT

dude crash landing is never in any fuckin game

[cobalt breach]

the interface on the completed game was horrendous

[tribal wyvern]

it's only in flight sims

and it's sad

cuz crash landing is SO COOL TO WATCH

AND EXPERIENCE

imagine crash landing

surviving

climbing out

[cobalt breach]

but we digress, let's bring it back to 2042 before a mod kicks our asses

[tribal wyvern]

and fighting for the life you got left with a pistol like pilots in bf1

[split schooner]

That feature was promised on bfv and also showcased in the trailer i think so but at the end due to obvious reasons they weren't able to add it in bfv

[tribal wyvern]

really?!

[cobalt breach]

there is

[split schooner]

So don't worry it will be present in bf2042

[cobalt breach]

one feature i'm really interested in

wingsuits

it opens up so many options

[split schooner]

you can look it up

[tribal wyvern]

thank god

[split schooner]

Its just available for one speacialist

Not everyone can use em

[arctic grove]

Think the wingsuit is a operator trait

[cobalt breach]

yeah, but can you imagine the endless possibilities?

[split schooner]

told ya

I know my shit

[cobalt breach]

need more info on specialists

[split schooner]

[cobalt breach]

feed us now

[split schooner]

they gave us a fair amount of info bro

[tribal wyvern]

i'm so glad it'll be in bf 2042

[cobalt breach]

yeah i know, just being an ass

i'm content with waiting for the beta

[tribal wyvern]

the ground deformation already looked realistic with the tanks

IMAGINE THE FUCKING JETS

[wide shore]

They’re adding the crash landings in 2042?

[tribal wyvern]

yes

[wide shore]

Ooohhh.

[tribal wyvern]

it was even meant to be in bf5

[cobalt breach]

imagine altering landscapes with ground deformation

[split schooner]

Probably in end of August

[tribal wyvern]

but it was scrapped

[tame token]

[dapper turtle]

are there any confirmed system requirements

[tribal wyvern]

yes that's the point!

[tribal wyvern]

!!specs

[cobalt breach]

foxhole gives you extra hidey holes

[tender pendant]

Currently there are no official PC specifications released by DICE for Battlefield 2042.
Any specs floating around the internet are just assumptions or rumors.

[arctic grove]

!when

[dapper turtle]

ok

[tribal wyvern]

!when

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 Reveal Trailer: https://youtu.be/ASzOzrB-a9E
Battlefield 2042 Gameplay Trailer: https://youtu.be/WomAGoEh-Ss
Time: <t:1626973200:R>

[wide shore]

Yeah, I knew it was supposed to be in V

[tribal wyvern]

yes but ground deformation is in bf 2042 confirmed

[arctic grove]

So close

[tribal wyvern]

you see it with the tank tracks in the trailer

and you see the realistic deformation when it goes over that car

[wide shore]

I know. You can see a lot of it in the trailer.

[tribal wyvern]

it'll apply to jets aswell

[cobalt breach]

holy fuck, it's 5.12am

[tribal wyvern]

which means no more explode upon impact

but you'll CRASH LAND

[split schooner]

real time footsteps in snowy maps, can you imagine?

[brittle forge]

Where are you all getting this crash landing info from, did something just come out

[arctic grove]

10:12pm here damn

[wide shore]

Well, I reckon if you nosedive you’ll crash and die.

[tribal wyvern]

this is a a lot more awesome detail than people think

[tribal wyvern]

ofc

but emergency landing like

with a heli or a jet

irl they slide against the ground and get destroyed

but they don't explode

[lofty shore]

i think people crashlanded in bf3

[tribal wyvern]

that's what i love about crash landing is there's a possibility of survival and you can get out

[cobalt breach]

i don't think it'll be as epic as a last stand

[lofty shore]

when stingers instadisabled their jets lol

[cobalt breach]

i mean, the dude pulled out an AT launcher in the trailer

he probably has a rifle stashed there somewhere

[bitter galleon]

i want to start playing bf1 again

[tribal wyvern]

yeah like the luftwaffe did in ww2 you reckon?

[bitter galleon]

i think im gonna download it

[wide shore]

Yeah. Man, imagine helis having the BC2 thing where complete damage makes it spin out and crash into the ground. Perhaps having that be like 95% damage animation or something. Or even a rare animation.

[arctic grove]

Follow your dream

[tribal wyvern]

they kept a double barrel shotgun

[cobalt breach]

most have a compact PDW in the emergency kit

[bitter galleon]

i will

[cobalt breach]

or at least a 9mm

[brittle forge]

Do you guys think the pilot class from BF1/V is returning if you spawn in a plane, or do you all think they'll do BF4 where your appearance is just automatically a flight suit

[median yoke]

how yall think a ryzen 7, 1660 s will do on 2042

[tribal wyvern]

i hope it's like bf1 and bf5

[split schooner]

Didn't you see the trailer bf2042 reveal trailer? it's their! When the atv hits the lil bird after jumping from the building on hourglass map, the lil bird starts spinning and hits in the building

[tribal wyvern]

it'd be a lot more realistic and a lot cooler imo

[median yoke]

probably

[tribal wyvern]

crash landing, climbing out the jet, pull out your emergency gun kit and join the fight against the infantry on the ground

[wide shore]

Yeah, but that was a cinematic.

[tribal wyvern]

that's what i'd fucking LOVE to see

[tribal wyvern]

i hope that happens in game oto

it's confirmed for the gorund

ground

they said it would have ground deformation a long time ago

[cobalt breach]

we hope a lot of things in the trailer happen in game m8

[tribal wyvern]

but nothing on the buildings

[split schooner]

idk I don't beleive it, i mean at the start of the trailer it says game engine footage

[tribal wyvern]

in the gameplay trailer the heli straight crashes into it

[cobalt breach]

i'm looking forward to the 3 man minicab

[brittle forge]

BF4 had helicopter destruction animations, it's not out of the realm of possibility they're upgraded

[wide shore]

Most games make their cinematics in-engine these days.

[cobalt breach]

do ya'll reckon

[misty sedge]

@cobalt breach I wanna be that getting sucked by the tornado

[split schooner]

Cause in gameplay trailer, the atv had c4 on it thats why the heli exploded on impact instead of spiralling out

[cobalt breach]

C4 launching a tank is gonna be possible?

[misty sedge]

Be in that @cobalt breach

[tribal wyvern]

no when the storm comes in right

you see a heli crash right into a building

[cobalt breach]

i wanna send a tank up as an AA again

[misty sedge]

@tribal wyvern it's the Qatar map

[tribal wyvern]

[misty sedge]

[lusty sigil]

got bf4 like 3 weeks ago and its my first bf game, will 2042 have the annoying dlcs too?

[tame token]

[tribal wyvern]

how dare you speak of the bf4 dlc's as annoying

[mellow scarab]

probs

[tribal wyvern]

but no, dlc's will be free and will come in updates : )

[lusty sigil]

the game costs 3 quid and the dlcs like 15 each

[tribal wyvern]

cuz it's dlc tho?????

you aren't forced to buy them lmao

[cobalt breach]

huh, didn't the steam sale have the bundle?

[tribal wyvern]

also don't tell me you bought the game

[nova idol]

You can get bf4 premium for like a nickel every other week

[tribal wyvern]

cuz it was free on prime gaming

[cobalt breach]

you can just play classic maps, there are servers for that, and it's pretty fun.

[lusty sigil]

ye its just a lot considering the game probably went for a normal triple a game price when it came out

[lusty sigil]

thats what im doing

im not complaining about bf4

[tribal wyvern]

it came out in 2013

free dlc was laughed at at the time

[cobalt breach]

premium pass

was the way to go

[lusty sigil]

true true

i just think its funny how the game's price went down by like 90% and premium costs like 10 times more

[tribal wyvern]

what?

[cobalt breach]

eh, don't buy the premium if it's not on sale

it goes on sale every other week

[lusty sigil]

whats the sale like

[cobalt breach]

just...look out for it i guess

you're not missing much

[tribal wyvern]

premium's like 10 bucks man

you didn't buy the game did you?

cuz the base game was free on twitch prime

[lusty sigil]

yeah i got it from prime

oh is the price different because of that

[tribal wyvern]

then why complain?????

you can get all the dlc for like 10 bucks

and base game was free

[lusty sigil]

like i said i am not complaining...

[tribal wyvern]

you said annoying dlc

[cobalt breach]

it is annoying

[tribal wyvern]

not really

[tame token]

What game you talking about?

[cobalt breach]

considering i had to have 7 separate downloads

lmao

[lusty sigil]

4

[tribal wyvern]

bf4

[tame token]

Oh

[tribal wyvern]

well that could be considered annoying but not the price

price is very very fair

[lusty sigil]

is price different depending on if you bought it or got it from amazon prime?

[tame token]

I actually paid for my bf4, I didn't get it on ea access.

[tribal wyvern]

no

[cobalt breach]

er, i doubt it

[lusty sigil]

then its 40 euros or quid im not sure

premium

[lofty shore]

does it matter if its 7 downloads

its not like it would be faster as 1 download

[tribal wyvern]

that's if you're looking at the official page

you can get a premium key for 10 bucks

[tame token]

I got premium version as well

[tribal wyvern]

bf5 is going for 40 bucks too but just today i got it for 7

sometimes the official store source isn't the best option

[cobalt breach]

it used to matter back then, not anymore after origin auto downloads it

[tame token]

I got BF5 definitive edition at a major discount

[tribal wyvern]

definitive edition?

what do you get lmao the dlc is free

cosmetics?

i don't really care for bf5's cosmetics

i do care for bf 2042's tho

[lost arrow]

Actually someone tested something. Downloading one big file or several smaller files. The download and installation time isnt the same

[tribal wyvern]

did you see the bundles on gold edition?

they lookin cleaaaaaaaaan

[lusty sigil]

yeah i know i bought keys too before, you got me wrong. i just wanted to know if bf2042 would have it too because when the game goes live i doubt there will be keys for dlcs (if there were any) which lower the price by more than 5$

but since that arent any its not an issue

[tame token]

Yeah all you get really is a few weapon skins and armor skins, etc.....

[lusty sigil]

how if bfv? been considering buying it

[tribal wyvern]

dlc is free and included with the game's updates

[tribal wyvern]

it's the most hated in the franchise

it's very subjective whether you like it or not

[lofty shore]

@lost arrow and does that matter in this case

[tribal wyvern]

you can get it for 7 bucks off eneba if you want

[cobalt breach]

yeah, BFV is a love it/hate it thing

[tribal wyvern]

like i did

[cobalt breach]

there's no in between

[lusty sigil]

i love eneba

[tribal wyvern]

but there's a very big percentage of people that hate bf5

[lusty sigil]

i got d2 all dlcs for like 60% off

[lost arrow]

Not really, just wanted to say that since i think this is intersting

[tribal wyvern]

and a percentage that love it

[lofty shore]

it's kinda obvious

[tribal wyvern]

there's no "eh it's decenty"

[lofty shore]

sequential is always faster

[tribal wyvern]

it's either absolutely hate it

or love it

[tame token]

I just play medic class on bf5 anyway, that's what I main mostly.

[lusty sigil]

i like the specialist system for 2042

[cobalt breach]

and i'm a filthy sniper

[lusty sigil]

makes it feel like much more of a team game

[tribal wyvern]

it's not that different frmo the normal system we got now

[cobalt breach]

tbh, the forced teamwork thing is something i really hate

[tribal wyvern]

it's just additional gadgets for different looking soldiers and free weapon of choice

that's all

[lost arrow]

Jo ma bro. Why the medics get revived that less? I always revive but reviving me is never an option for others :<

[tribal wyvern]

peopel think it's a bunch of siege operators but it's just an extra gadget slot that's exclusive to which soldier you pick

lmao

[cobalt breach]

also, if it follows BFV and you spawn with like only 2 extra mags

[ocean flame]

!when

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 Reveal Trailer: https://youtu.be/ASzOzrB-a9E
Battlefield 2042 Gameplay Trailer: https://youtu.be/WomAGoEh-Ss
Time: <t:1626973200:R>

[cobalt breach]

you'll find yourself searching for ammo crates more than fighting

most of the time

[lusty sigil]

6 days?

isnt it coming out october

[tribal wyvern]

it takes a long time to revive if oyu're not a medic and 90% of the time revive attempts end in death

[timber mulch]

Beta in 5 days let’s go

[misty sedge]

@lusty sigil ya

[tribal wyvern]

that's why no one likes the kind of revive system bf5 has

[lusty sigil]

oh shit

how long is beta

[tribal wyvern]

idk what "squad revive" means but it's in bf 2042

[tame token]

@lost arrow True I agree, medics always be looking for someone to revive but no one really revives medics.

[tribal wyvern]

don't tell me it's bf 5's system

[tribal wyvern]

tf you talking about

[lost arrow]

Tbh i never really has this problem. Nutrition isnt something game breaking for me but its senceless as well

[tribal wyvern]

that's ea play

it's not the beta

[lusty sigil]

wut it do

can you play the game?

[cobalt breach]

i dunno mate

[tribal wyvern]

ea play is an event showcasing off the game lmao it's not the beta

[lusty sigil]

oh

oof

[cobalt breach]

i ran out of ammo pretty damn fast after spawning in BFV

[tribal wyvern]

they'll announce the beta dates but there's no playable build of the game on that day

[lost arrow]

Many people instead trying to make more kills. Thats annoying

I always remember the names when a medic ignores me and i never revive him then

[cobalt breach]

petty, but i like it

[tribal wyvern]

that's petty

[lusty sigil]

i feel ya

[tribal wyvern]

no you don't you don't own bf5 lmao

[lusty sigil]

petty = elite gamer 😎

[tribal wyvern]

you don't know what it's like

compared to bf4 the revive system is VERY different

it's not in bf 2042 is it guys?

[wide shore]

I always try my best to revive. But I feel like I let people down sometimes.

[tribal wyvern]

..............right?

[timber mulch]

I heard beta date will be released on EA play

[cobalt breach]

try to think of it this way, they die because it's their fault

you're trying to help, but you can't blame yourself

[tribal wyvern]

and how does that=beta in 5 days?

that just means beta announcement in 5 days

[lost arrow]

Bf2042 has a revive system like bfv. With the only difference, beside medics all soldiers revive mates not to their full hp

[warm plaza]

what is going to be used to revive in 2042 us it going to be the same as bf4?

[lusty sigil]

beta is octover 15th i think

[tribal wyvern]

[wide shore]

The worst is when people skip right when you’re next to them.

[tame token]

@lost arrow Well sometimes I go in the line of fire to revive anyone that I can. That's what the medic class is really supposed to do.

[cobalt breach]

eh, sometimes an ongoing firefight makes it impossible to revive

[lost arrow]

So squadmates can revive each other but only the medic heals them up to 100

[cobalt breach]

and even if they do

[feral grove]

a kick by the ranger robodog?

[cobalt breach]

you'll most likely get killed again

THAT is more annoying than not being revived, honestly

[lost arrow]

I am more waiting to be in a save spot before reviving. In a firefight i only risk if i know that we have enough mates around in case.

[feral grove]

or if your friend revived u in front of the enemy

[cobalt breach]

yeah

[feral grove]

he wants u to die twice lol

[wide shore]

I know. I just mean sometimes I take a little longer to get someone up because I wanna make the area is clear before reviving. You clear the area, and right as you’re about to revive they’re like “nah.” Basically like a “I guess I’ll go fuck myself?”

[lost arrow]

I think they will balance it well. And if players really complain about that, they might patch it

[cobalt breach]

double deaths?

how are you gonna patcha revive

give them a 3s invul?

it's gonna be broken af

[worldly star]

you can revive squad mates regardless of your role/equipment

[lost arrow]

It looks like in 2042 they really wanna focus on the battlefield players and not on new players

[tribal wyvern]

Good.

[cobalt breach]

yeah, it happens, but they won't know you're fighting to clear the area either

they'll just assume you don't care and commit sudoku

[wide shore]

I’m glad they’re being squad revives back. It’s one of the best mechanics in V.

[worldly star]

i want to see a futuristic take on the M60 lmg

in 2042

[lost arrow]

I also appreciate that

[misty sedge]

@worldly star I feel like the m60 always has been under rated

[cobalt breach]

ah damn

i can't send images here

[wide shore]

Yeah I know. I usually always hold my revives. Especially if there’s someone nearby. You really never know.

[worldly star]

m70 maybe

[tribal wyvern]

it's the same revive system as bf5

but no animations right?

it better not be a long ass animation

[wide shore]

I would assume it has an animation

[cobalt breach]

https://external-preview.redd.it/lt4WbbLkLsm-rWXSyJaXrt_qQ_T7eD5vqXV3qFDmzgs.png?auto=webp&s=627b798b31c940854d34ac71fe1c31f66b7c5330

[lost arrow]

Talking about lmgs. Remembering the old good lmg+thermal sight and smoke grenade tactic in locker back in 2014

Good old days

[cobalt breach]

doesn't work anymore

[worldly star]

nah i think otherwise

[cobalt breach]

thermals can't see past smoke

[feral grove]

maybe they will add a self revive but u get it in packages like attachments

[cobalt breach]

which...doesn't make sense but yeah

[worldly star]

if you dont have medic gear, it should take longer to revive squadmates

[wide shore]

There has to be a give/take for squad revives. You’re not a medic, so it should take longer than using the syrette pistol.

[misty sedge]

@lost arrow it has heavy damage tho. Idk why people ignored it

[lofty shore]

makes sense, smoke is too hot for thermals to see through

[lost arrow]

Yea. It was very strong back then until people found out about the xm25

[cobalt breach]

or M26 flechette MASS