battlefield-2042

[pearl night]

Chicken ^

[dull rock]

[arctic grove]

sloth gang

🦥

https://tenor.com/view/catboy-cereal-embed-success-ryan-gosling-gif-21943489

[pearl night]

Ayy it’s Dutch!

[arctic grove]

Is there just a whole collection of these

[hardy kestrel]

That depends. What is expected of me and how many gyros must I consume?

[pearl night]

All the gyros

[soft kayak]

well #battlefield-2042 lets spin the wheel and pick our unrelated topic for today!

And the winner? "Why you should fuck Ryan Gosling"!

Tune back in tomorrow when we choose between the economics of Bhutan and Bad Company themed ASMR.

[arctic grove]

That was never a topic

[pearl night]

I mean why not right?

[arctic grove]

😮‍💨

[dull rock]

i thought nito was a bot for a sec XD

[hardy kestrel]

Okay and what’s your benefit package look like? You guys got matching 401k?

[arctic grove]

Acts like one

[pliant mauve]

hi

[arctic grove]

[pearl night]

No we only got 200.5k

[soft kayak]

i am a bot

[pliant mauve]

god mornig

[arctic grove]

god mornig indeed

[dull rock]

kloud we have unlimited gyros and free toilet paper

[thorn vault]

Hello bot

[pearl night]

Holdup I gotta go look at what Ryan gosling looks like I kinda forgot

[dull rock]

[pearl night]

Ahh no Ryan ain’t all that

[arctic grove]

No shit

[dull rock]

[pearl night]

[arctic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/the-muppets-kermit-the-frog-smh-shake-my-head-no-gif-4883582

[dull rock]

dang rip the embed

[pearl night]

No wonder they said that gif looked like him lmfao he looks exactly like that guy

[arctic grove]

Is it not him

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fix-basketball-basketball-hoops-hoops-gif-gif-20814959

[pearl night]

I’m a little slow ok guys don’t worry

[arctic grove]

😂

https://tenor.com/view/the-muppets-kermit-the-frog-smh-shake-my-head-no-gif-4883582

[dull rock]

YOOOO wassup dutch

[arctic grove]

Embed fixed

[arctic grove]

Sup bro

[dull rock]

how r u able to post gifs?

[arctic grove]

Gotta be a booster or regular

Regular / server booster

[pearl night]

He’s got privelage

[arctic grove]

!!regular

[tender pendant]

ℹ️ The Regular role is granted to active, positive, courteous, and resourceful guests of the server. This role is earned, not given, and is conferred at the discretion of the server staff. With this role guests can post/embed images, execute a selection of bot commands, and change what color their name appears as in chat.

[dull rock]

damn

[arctic grove]

Yeah

I ain’t ever getting that shit 😂

[pearl night]

What’s with all these gyro people all over the place

Kinda weird

[dull rock]

crap i dont count as positive or courteous

[arctic grove]

Lmao

[dull rock]

salty we're taking over!

[proud frigate]

Right guys I got early access to the July 8th thing

I'm in July 8th

[arctic grove]

Nice

[dull rock]

rlly

[arctic grove]

What happens

[dull rock]

?

[pearl night]

I love your username chaddle

[arctic grove]

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

You guys ever wonder why the people in Australia don’t warn the Americans about things? Such selfish people

[craggy marten]

They are taking over

Oh god

[arctic grove]

australia is on fire no one cares what they think

[pearl night]

I know right? Like they could’ve warned us about 911

[dull rock]

soon we'll replace tps

[craggy marten]

He became a gyro!

[arctic grove]

oi

[arctic grove]

For real…

half of australia burned down last year you have no lands

[craggy marten]

Everyone's a fucking Gyro!

[pearl night]

Chill dude

[arctic grove]

What’s Gyro?

[dull rock]

gyro is best gang

[arctic grove]

/flex in aMURIcan

sorry im on steroids and an antibiotic fighting covid delta so im aggressive

moving on

what

[dull rock]

damn u got delta?

[arctic grove]

lmao

delta airlines?

yeah for real ama

[dull rock]

i just got the normal covid

[pearl night]

Dang that’s rough, my mom just got covid but it’s just normal

[dull rock]

i lost my taste and smell shit was weird

[arctic grove]

no its bad guys, realy bad. i feel like my left lung was lit on fire and then mr. T took a shit on it to put the flames out

[pearl night]

Good job mr t

[arctic grove]

and im vaxxed

so yeah prolly woulda died

pushing 40 in age

boomer gamer

lmfao

[arctic grove]

wait…. Your left lung caught on fire 😮‍💨

Praying for you bro

[pearl night]

You old fart

[arctic grove]

im recovering

[dull rock]

ancient gamer

[arctic grove]

but it took me down a notch

ngl

just a notch

Atleast you have family.

Family is all that matters

weow.

yeah i actually installed the internet on my dell pc. had an intel like...430mhz processor (yes, hundred)

[pearl night]

I swear you and your family

[arctic grove]

from a disc

[dull rock]

i wanna see an 80 yr old gamer rendezook someone

[pearl night]

Lmfao

[arctic grove]

thatll be me in the nusring home streaming with my vr in about 20 years

just wait for it boys

[hardy kestrel]

You don’t have my permission to die airman. We need you out on the battlefield come October 22

[arctic grove]

As long as they have family, they can do everything.

dude air force pumped me full of radiation and anthrax so it was gg before covid anyways

uncle sam can smd

Wilde lurking

[remote kiln]

youre 40?

[pearl night]

What did you do?

[arctic grove]

He’s pushing 40

i was in a cyber afsc

[remote kiln]

man thats scary

nearly 2 decades my senior

[arctic grove]

im 32

[dull rock]

im 16 young gamer vibes

[pearl night]

Can you dumb it down for me lol what’s afsc?

[arctic grove]

its a job code for the air force

google it kid

i didnt have google

😂

hahahaha

[royal trail]

@dull rock isnt the bf series 17+. out you go

[dull rock]

air force security corps?

[arctic grove]

i have encyclopedia briticanna

full set

actual books

[remote kiln]

Air Force Cyber Surety

[dull rock]

SHHHH lasagna

[remote kiln]

tldr

[arctic grove]

i played 1942 on launch night

[dull rock]

damn that old??

[arctic grove]

that old son

[dull rock]

wow

[arctic grove]

that old

ive seen some things

[dull rock]

that game is a relic for me

[pearl night]

Aight thanks

[arctic grove]

elder gamer

they crusader, google 3d1x2

hey*

[arctic grove]

What have you seen

[pearl night]

Ah is that what you did?

[arctic grove]

two recessions, two pandemics, numerous day one launch catastrophes, george bush AND clinton presidencies, katrina, 9/11 of course from my classroom in 10th grade....

[arctic grove]

unfortunately

[pearl night]

Gotcha, nice

[dull rock]

jeez you've been through some shit

[pearl night]

Bro i wasn’t even a thought when 9/11 happened

[arctic grove]

You probably were

[remote kiln]

don't mention the word agent orange

[arctic grove]

i lived this world at 15 years old and cell phones didnt exist

[arctic grove]

The guy from the Punisher TV Show?

it never got this hot, the sky used to be bluer, the sun yellower

[arctic grove]

fuck

[remote kiln]

the other kind

[arctic grove]

what other kind

[pearl night]

Yeah I’m pretty young, I’ll be 16 in like 2 weeks

[dull rock]

agent orange the chemical used in vietnam?

[arctic grove]

I think that’s what he’s talking about

Could be the guy from punisher tv show

[pearl night]

Wasn’t that basically napalm?

[arctic grove]

idfk I didn’t pay attention during history

[remote kiln]

bingo

[arctic grove]

oh i was there for y2k crisis. everyone thought the world financial computer systems were gunna fail due to a binary coding issue and the year turning "00" for the first time in modern electronics. and yes, everyone bought all the toilet paper back then too

that was a fun one

[pearl night]

Bruh the toilet paper is so stupid

[dull rock]

not rlly it was more like white phosphorus bombs but it was severely toxic and dealt alot of friendly fire

[arctic grove]

give it some time and you will learn. people are stupid

some things never change

[pearl night]

[remote kiln]

it was far worse than napalm

believe it or not

[pearl night]

Oh dang

[dull rock]

it killed everything it touchedd

thats why its banned from use now

[proven chasm]

[pearl night]

Is that the stuff that would like still burn under water?

[dull rock]

no

[arctic grove]

you guys have great opportunities ahead of me. me too. hell im not THAT old. but the digital frontier....now thats exciting. thats the new sailing the world. space? pfft. cold, dark, no oxygen. but digital space? mmmmhmmmm

[pearl night]

We learned about one of those in history a while back

[remote kiln]

the agent also called genetic mutations in survivors of the chemical.. which means they developed cancer and other diseases, worse yet, it turned out to be hereditary - so their offspring would suffer the same effects

[dull rock]

ye

basically was a cancer super spreder

[pearl night]

Dang that’s pretty bad

[remote kiln]

consider it a "spreadable cancer causer" really

if youre unlucky enough to survive you're cursed for an eternity

[arctic grove]

also the older I get the more I realize how harmful organized religion is. was born and raised a catholic altar boy. i got lucky tho and wasn't abused. hold school farmer was my priest. cool guy actually. gave us 100 bucks on christmas as kids. was a big deal cuz I could buy extra controllers for my nintendo 64 and the buddies would come over and play goldeneye and sneak playboy magazines

my world was so small back then...

We are completely off-topic. I suggest moving to #general.

general kicked me out

😂

no one wants an old boomer around

ill settle down. you boys enjoy your gaming

[pearl night]

Idk how we even got to this point but I’m fine with it

[arctic grove]

oh I was just fuckin around idc what channel you guys use

[pearl night]

See ya later

[pliant mauve]

world War iii btf6 war of warfer

[remote kiln]

have you been drinking

[arctic grove]

see how good drugs are?

[remote kiln]

oh hey wilde

[naive trellis]

Hello, was about to go offtopic haha

Saved just in time

[remote kiln]

I could tell when the indicator stopped haha

[arctic grove]

You know what’s better than drugs? Family. Family is the best thing ever

[naive trellis]

Slothy

Jesus

[proven chasm]

I turned 28 on the 25th of June and used my birthday money to buy battlefield 2042 so now I have a lot of extra cash of my money

[pearl night]

Wilde was about to merc us all and then steal slothy’s family

[arctic grove]

He already threatened to take my dogtags

[proven chasm]

🦥

[arctic grove]

ez

[naive trellis]

I'm omw to the gym in an incredibly crusty bus, I couldn't start my day worse

[remote kiln]

did you get your fingers checked out

[pearl night]

After that it’s your family though

[arctic grove]

Hopefully you got family by your side.

[pearl night]

[arctic grove]

alright that’s enough family for today

😂

[naive trellis]

T'was a pinched ulnar nerve, solved itself

[remote kiln]

you playing a dangerous game

[naive trellis]

But this bus messes with my ocd

[pearl night]

Just uncrust the bus

[remote kiln]

not get the train?

[proven chasm]

Just returning your baby

[naive trellis]

Uncrust this.

[arctic grove]

Nice kicks man

[pearl night]

Bro that looks clean compared to our school buses

[naive trellis]

Thanks bud

[pearl night]

That’s like spotless compared to them lmao

[remote kiln]

look your lace is out of position

[copper fulcrum]

feet.

[naive trellis]

Except for the urine stains

[copper fulcrum]

what

[naive trellis]

Oh....

[arctic grove]

wow

You gotta take a leak when you gotta take a leak

If you get what I’m saying

[copper fulcrum]

:noleaks:

[pearl night]

Gots to see it through my boy

[pliant mauve]

battlefield 2042 world war

[pearl night]

Cant say I’ve ever seen someone wear those type of flipflops with jeans before lol

[arctic grove]

buddy called them flipflops

[remote kiln]

you could be standing on one

then your shoe now has urine on it

[naive trellis]

No, please

[arctic grove]

Atleast it gives it an extra spice to it

[pearl night]

What are they supposed to be called then?

[proven chasm]

🦥🔫

[arctic grove]

I think sandals

[remote kiln]

yeah you won't even know either

[pearl night]

Same difference

[arctic grove]

Unless you smell em

[pearl night]

Potato Tomato

[arctic grove]

😮‍💨

[remote kiln]

just walking out about dripping

[remote kiln]

^

[naive trellis]

Jesus Christ guys, let's not derail further lmao

[pearl night]

Get that yellow racing stripe

[arctic grove]

😂

[remote kiln]

Wilde is having the biggest midlife crisis of his life realising the possibility now

[stable mango]

lmao Battlefield has sprinting

[arctic grove]

Don’t worry Wilde. It gives it an extra spice to the smell

[remote kiln]

put it this way wilde

[stable iris]

Can we stay a little on topic of battlefield

[stable mango]

sticky shoes are the best shoes for battlefield you know

[pearl night]

It makes him go faster because there’s less grip just like smooth tires are better for racing

[proven chasm]

They have to drink water or they won’t get to the pond soon enough

[arctic grove]

I think it’s the other way around for shoes

[pearl night]

No idk what you’re talking about

[arctic grove]

Meh I’m probably wrong

[pearl night]

Cars and humans are obviously the same

[arctic grove]

Oh yah my b

Forgot that

[pearl night]

Yeah

[proven chasm]

[royal trail]

you run and swim faster fully geared than an olympic athlete in the bf series. love it

[pearl night]

I never realized that tuktuk guy was a mod until now

[arctic grove]

Oh shit we completely ignored him

😂

[pearl night]

Yeah lmfao

[patent hare]

i wonder what they'll talk about tomorrow

[arctic grove]

What time is the talk thing at

[radiant prism]

™️

[proven chasm]

Can you fire from every seat in the vehicle and can you spawn airborne

[arctic grove]

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

[royal trail]

its 4 o clock in the morning and the sun is already up again. why am i not sleeping. i blame battlefield

[arctic grove]

someone link the hype trailer

[hardy kestrel]

Yeah I mean even if there's not a weapon there you can still use the power of imagination.

[copper fulcrum]

Someone link Link

[arctic grove]

someone link that guy reacting to the rendezook

[arctic grove]

[swift yarrow]

[proven chasm]

They had a snow map and everybody was parachuting but idk if that was the beginning or they jumped off a cliff but I’ll use my imagination

[hardy kestrel]

That's a good question. Would be interesting if they had some sort of mid air spawn like BFV with the bombers

[craggy marten]

I hope that the kit system from 4 is gone for 2042

[rain rune]

so is ripple effect just a bunch of guys who left DICE to make their own studio or is it just DICE LA renamed

[craggy marten]

Like you get a rocket launcher in one point of the map and it dissapears

You dont keep the rocket launcher.

I want that gone from this game, I hate it.

[tough dirge]

DICE LA got renamed

vince zampella from respawn got brought in to reorg the studio and this is what it is called now

[proven chasm]

Yes it would but I’m positive they will break my knowledge with dice using real military intelligence officers or something that helped make the game

[hardy kestrel]

"Ok, I really have to explain, because it bothers me.

After DICE LA saved BF4, all the important people who spearheaded the project at the studio either left DICE to other EA studios or directly to DICE Stockholm. Hence why David Sirland and co were the leads with BF1 and BFV.

Sure, some old guard still at DICE LA, but it’s a brand new group of people. And with rebrand and reorganisation that just happened, this is a new studio. This is not the studio that saved BF4.

That being said, doesn’t mean they won’t make something new and amazing."

Quote from a Reddit so don't take it as gospel

[rain rune]

from respawn huh

[tough dirge]

the guy who lead the reorg is from respawn

[rain rune]

so you got old cod devs and old battlefield devs working together

this'll be interesting

[tough dirge]

its not really old cod devs

[craggy marten]

Vince Zampella sounds familiar...

[tough dirge]

those are still at respawn

[craggy marten]

Hmm...

[hardy kestrel]

Yes here's a picture of Zampella

[tough dirge]

its really EA brought in an experienced exec to help that studio grow and reorganize after its been basically slowly going under attrition basically since the day it became DICE LA

[rain rune]

damn they managed to squeeze 128 players into 41 gbs of size

[gaunt geyser]

?

[craggy marten]

Wait-

[arctic grove]

in reality we are just getting a repackeged and updated bf4 game pumped with cash shop currency and specialists

but im cool with that

[craggy marten]

The game is 41 gigs?

[rain rune]

ps5 alpha is said to be 41 gig

[arctic grove]

141*

[gaunt geyser]

key word alpha

[rain rune]

yeah

[arctic grove]

2 maps

[craggy marten]

I bet the downloads for this game will be 40 gigs per update

[gaunt geyser]

not full game

[craggy marten]

Or worse than Mw2019

[arctic grove]

you are going to need to buy a 1TB ssd for each expansion

[craggy marten]

Except we'll get some good shit with said updates.

[rain rune]

look if its not 100+ gigs at launch like modern warfare then im fine with it

[craggy marten]

Like big ass maps.

[arctic grove]

it probably will be around 100

[tough dirge]

id argue that playing BF4 with all the updates and improvements made over this last gen is more than worth the price of admission

[rain rune]

i mean fuck i'd just uninstall my other battlefields anyway for some space

[tough dirge]

like its really quite night and day between 4 and 5

[gaunt geyser]

considering BFV is 90gb, 2042 will be 100-110

[proven chasm]

I’ll probably delete Cold War when it’s out

[remote kiln]

can't wait for BF2042 to be 500GB in size

I'll download it in an hour

[rain rune]

you guys know the battlefields are actually pretty decently optimized right

[remote kiln]

go big or go home

1TB or nothing

[rain rune]

ok have fun with your bloated storage then

[remote kiln]

I mean I do have 4TB of SSD capacity so it wouldn't be that big a deal

[worldly star]

for the size of the game, this is nothing

[proven chasm]

14 hours ..

I wonder if they are going to wear bf2042 merch tomorrow

[kind thicket]

i should go buy a few sata ssds for games

arent ssd prices dogwater rn?

[arctic grove]

I think 1 TB are roughly $150

I haven’t checked in a bit so idk

[gaunt geyser]

sata is fine, NVME and M.2 are an extra 100-200usd

[arctic grove]

!when

[kind thicket]

i have 1.5 tb of ssd rn

its fat enough i think

[remote kiln]

note that NVMe is not a type of drive protocol**

[arctic grove]

Someone do !when

[heady vapor]

do yall want commander mode in 2042?

[remote kiln]

M.2 SATA drives exist

[hardy kestrel]

only if we have tactical geniuses like you leading us.

[arctic grove]

It’s in like 15 days

[heady vapor]

❤️

[remote kiln]

I do but I'm certain it's not happening

was 99% unused in the main game

[pliant mauve]

15 hours live play ea

[remote kiln]

they even had mobile support and nobody used it

[heady vapor]

they just need to make it more engaging

and tactical

[latent acorn]

Miss the commander mode

Wonder why they deletes it

[proven chasm]

Make sure you have a warranty on your console when you run bf2042

[fiery solar]

whats the worse that could happen

cyberpunk 2077 ran perfectly on all devices with no issues im sure itll be even better with 2042 am i right

[proven chasm]

128 player could make it break unlike a Pc

[fiery solar]

64 players on old gen

[hardy kestrel]

32 players on Gameboy

[proven chasm]

Pc master race joke

[hardy kestrel]

I've had my blood infused with DDR5

[hardy kestrel]

Imagine BF with the cyberpunk dong bug

[fiery solar]

dong bug

[tawdry cape]

100 bucks rn

[fiery solar]

110

not even 1tb got scammed

[hard cave]

Why isn't July 22 here yet?!

[proven chasm]

Just please no gloves like cod in bf2042

[tawdry cape]

thats actually quite a lot missing

[cinder tide]

Just enjoy this waiting time, when the game is out you can never go back

[fiery solar]

nice

[hardy kestrel]

I mean I can because I can time trav....nm

[fiery solar]

new comedian

[proven chasm]

Also there are like 3-4 more specialist on ea battlefield . C o m in the ultimate package desert ice and other ones

[vagrant tiger]

Anyone know if you preorder a physical copy if you get to play the beta?

[proven chasm]

I saw it just passing it along

It’s under preorder than ultimate … ⛳️

[hardy kestrel]

If you buy physical copy of the game you get digital Beta and if you buy digital copy of the game you get physical copy of the Beta

[nova idol]

Only digital will give early beta access I believe

[proven chasm]

Digital ps5 owner 😩

Now I know some of y’all live in Cali

[arctic grove]

2042

lol

HAHA'

[proven chasm]

Unless this is undercover boss and everyone but me stops chatting

I get a ea discount for being nice

[vagrant tiger]

Oh I see thanks I’ll just wait till it hits open then

[proven chasm]

See you tomorrow seinora see ya later alligator after while crocodile 🐊

[gaunt geyser]

the beta is open

you get to play it if you buy the game or not

[soft kayak]

those are just skins for sundance, boris, and the radio man

[heady vapor]

it was 99% unused because it wasn't engaging, there are many ways to fix that

there is just a fine line in making commander a supporting role, but giving it a small arsenal of lethal weaponry to feel like you make a difference on an advancement of the team

Unfortunately, cruise missiles just took too long to be tactical, and I think most people used them for clearing snipers, but man I had one lineup where I cleared two lavs on the bridge on floodzone, and that was rewarding

Moments like that make commander mode fun.

[soft kayak]

BFV's squad leader system was much better than bf4's commander

[heady vapor]

why is that

[soft kayak]

cause it introduced the same ordinances as commander, made squad leader more meaningful than "click an objective" and most importantly let you see the effects of your commands in person

Commander is much less personal than calling in a v1 on a point right in front of you

[heady vapor]

obviously you haven't used the 3d mode xD

I think having the position separate can allow commanders to see uncontested objectives, and point their team there

its a much more table top view, and the decisions should be more well informed

[soft kayak]

sure, but thats not really fun for the commander

[heady vapor]

I wans't completely against bfv's choice though

[soft kayak]

kinda makes him a glorified MAV

[hardy kestrel]

I think a combination of both would be cool. Like keep most of the squad leader stuff how it was in V but then also have a commander mode but the commander would just keep the scan mode - not the UAVs and it would be focused like 99% on just coordination and directing squads where to go.

[heady vapor]

interesting point, maybe its just a preference thing

[heady vapor]

thats too unengaging though, you are going to have the position unfilled 90% of the time

Commander mode needs to feel supportive enough where you shift teamate engagements in their favor

and thats what UAV provided

[thin rain]

!when

[azure lodge]

Battlefield 2042 Reveal Trailer: https://youtu.be/ASzOzrB-a9E
Battlefield 2042 Gameplay Trailer: https://youtu.be/WomAGoEh-Ss
Time: <t:1626973200:R>

[soft kayak]

commander position works better in games where squad leaders actually give a shit.

[hardy kestrel]

I don't think so. I think it will attract a different kind of player - one who just wants to commadn and direct and see a birds eye view of the battlefield

[heady vapor]

1. squad leader spawns only (along with normal spawning on objectives and vehicles and what not) this encourages squad proximity which leads to obtaining squad leader orders
2. if orders are not accepted with 1-2 minutes, squad leader is demoted and replaced with a hopefully competent leader, we filter them out

those two suggestions and you have compliant squads

[heady vapor]

a RTS player ya, I get it, but there needs to be more than just orders I think

[soft kayak]

if orders are not accepted with 1-2 minutes, squad leader is demoted and replaced with a hopefully competent leader, we filter them out
This will simply cycle the role between everyone in the squad

[proven chasm]

Ok

[thin rain]

Thats not a good solution

[heady vapor]

then it stops cycling lol, but I am sure the results will be better than what they were in bf4

[thin rain]

what if the commander is bad?

[heady vapor]

then you can Reject the orders

and you wont lose your role

[hardy kestrel]

Well there would be - you would still have the scan. And maybe you could drop supplies too - maybe even smoke barrages.

[heady vapor]

it just needs some action required, so it know that you know your responsability

[soft kayak]

the big difference between BF and say Squad is that, in squad, the teamwork is the primary source of fun. Game just isnt enjoyable lone wolfing.
BF, as a sandbox game, is fun in many ways, and because of that relying on randoms to give a shit is impossible.

[heady vapor]

ballistic vests, sam turrets, emps, juggernaught suits

there is alot you could add

there should be a couple lethal weaponry for the commander to take out problematic targets though?

[heady vapor]

I get it that its a sandbox game, but it doesn't mean it can't be team oriented and somewhat coordinated

just not as much as its siblings

winning should be a bigger part of the game imo

[hardy kestrel]

Maybe like a once a round missile or b1 bomber strike but I would really limit the offensive stuff so that people don't complain about being killed by commander - and instead focus on coordination which with 128 players will be kind of important

[heady vapor]

just like operations were in bf1

[heady vapor]

Yep I completely agree there is a fine line in making it OP, but still needs to be engaging that the spot is filled

[thin rain]

The commander should have more supportive abilities

e.g. an EMP

or jammer

[heady vapor]

I agree ^

[rain narwhal]

I don’t pay attention to squad leader orders

[soft kayak]

no. Lean in on the player freedom. Large, coordinated games are done much better by the tac shooter genre. The best part of this game is the freedom and sandbox, and that should not be discouraged.

[rain narwhal]

I play how I want

[heady vapor]

you arent alone

thats what I wouldn't force players to be micromanaged

but passively have them spawn on leaders who are attacking ordered objectives

[soft kayak]

if a commander is repeatedly giving me orders I find it annoying and will leave SL

[thin rain]

scroll up a little and u can see

[sage magnet]

thx

[hardy kestrel]

I think there should be commander and non commander servers to serve each preference

[heady vapor]

I agree with that

I never found it annoying

I always just got in a habit of accepting them

[rain narwhal]

I don’t think there should even be a commander position in a squad

[soft kayak]

could be neat. Perhaps a "coordinated" mode where only the winner gets rewards, but theyre much higher.

[heady vapor]

whether or not I choose to listen to it

[thin rain]

I wish there was better in-game communication or at least that people could opt in and out for it

[heady vapor]

I agree that its freedom and sandbox, but don't people still want to win?

[soft kayak]

g i v e
** p r o x y c h a t **

[heady vapor]

proxy chat would be annoying

[soft kayak]

nah. I just want to have fun

[thin rain]

too many issues with proxy

[heady vapor]

not many people on PC use mikes I found out

[thin rain]

ppl dont know how to behave

[soft kayak]

best part of proxy chat

[hard cave]

Man, I'm excited, but just got reminded how fucking annoying tanks are in the BF franchise

[hardy kestrel]

Do any of you guys remember in BFV beta there was an unlock for planes called "wingman" or something like that? It got scratched from release. I wonder if we will see unmanned combat aerial drones

[thin rain]

nah, if we got that I'd wanna ban anyone who breaks the rules instantly

[heady vapor]

I wonder if you are in the majority or minority

if people care about winning that is

[thin rain]

Having Battlefield turned into the reputation Cod has sounds bad

[heady vapor]

not about having fun lo

Like in cod, I care about KD, not winning team death

[hard cave]

Let's hope that tank using IRNV don't have the capability to see cross map with it

[soft kayak]

that rep was just old xbox live. Ah good times

[heady vapor]

but in battlefield, I care more about winning

hm, maybe there should be a specific more competitive gamemode

[thin rain]

nah

[soft kayak]

ok.
I care about getting bow kills

[soft kayak]

clans

[heady vapor]

platoons u mean

[thin rain]

we are already getting 128 player servers

[soft kayak]

how big is a bf platoon?

[granite lotus]

Double rendered sniper scope

[thin rain]

if you divide the community even more by adding competitive and non competitive its gonna get risky in terms of activity

[heady vapor]

I don't remember the player cap, but its more of a giant community

[soft kayak]

needlessly intensive and adds next to nothing

[hardy kestrel]

I hope they make IRNV and FLIR useful. I know infantry hates it but when I play a modern game I want that kind of stuff in there.

[granite lotus]

But looks sexy

[hard cave]

I hate it so much, as someone who hates playing in tanks, and solely plays infantry

[languid sluice]

they already were useful in bf4 tho?

[heady vapor]

so do you think the role of a commander is just completely irrelevant from the game, where people just capture or not, its up to them?

[hard cave]

It feels like such BS when someone plays infy in a giant piece of metal that 25% of players can do nothing about

[hardy kestrel]

Flir = yes IRNV = no

[languid sluice]

true

[heady vapor]

I kinda wish that sentiment changes

PTFOing was a big part of the game I dunno

[thin rain]

No, I think having commanders is a fun element, but can't say it makes or breaks it for me. But it is a game, and I care more about having full servers than having everyone pretending it is milsim

If we take the two extremes

[heady vapor]

I don't want a milsim

just team oriented gameplay

[thin rain]

Yeah same, they said they are pushing teamwork though

[heady vapor]

slightly coordinated, but not over the top like squad

[thin rain]

We will see

[heady vapor]

teamwork, yes thats what I want

[hardy kestrel]

I mean thats the game though right? But for people like you I hope there are community servers where you can have tankless versions of the maps

[soft kayak]

squad isnt over the top, its peak

[heady vapor]

lmao

I never played it, just watched a couple vids

wayyyy too slow for me

[thin rain]

They should just reward teamwork more tbh

[heady vapor]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

holy shit this

[soft kayak]

its about the teamwork more than the combat

[hard cave]

It is the game, but it still isn't fun for anyone but the person in the tank. Tanks aren't holding objectives or taking out other tanks, just getting a killstreak on infantry

[heady vapor]

see I still want combat tho

[soft kayak]

Even if you get like 4 kills its still very fun to play

[thin rain]

if ppl figure out they get more points when in proximity of their squad AND following a squad order they get way more points

they will do it

lol

[heady vapor]

wow nethrex did you read my reddit post

[thin rain]

no

[heady vapor]

I literally said the same tthing lmao

[thin rain]

I hate reddit

[heady vapor]

LOL

but the points should earn you something

not just a rank up

[hard cave]

IMO, Tanks are far too tanky in battlefield

[heady vapor]

I talked about the points for that behavior being reddeemed for vehicles

what do you think about that?

[soft kayak]

• using extrinsic rewards instead of making something intrinsically satisfying
  cringe and bad game design

[hard cave]

I know that is controvercial

[thin rain]

well being on top of the leaderboard and ranking things up faster should be reward enough :)

[hard cave]

But I think it's true

[soft kayak]

tanks in bf are made of butter

[heady vapor]

maybe so

[hard cave]

Four blows from a RPG to take out a tank when one good hit would do it IRL?

[languid sluice]

tanks can be tough to beat until you get a couple engineers together and then it's game over

[thin rain]

So how would you make it "satisfying" to push teamwork?

[heady vapor]

if you can solo a tank as infantry whats the point of a tank

[soft kayak]

no

the in game rounds would not even pen an MBT

[rain narwhal]

Tanks are so fucking annoying in BF5

All they do is sit on some hill

[hardy kestrel]

They shouldn't be holding objectives since that's not what they are there for. They do cap them though. They Definitely take out other tanks (don't know what games you're playing where they don't haha!). Part of making them balanced is controlling repairs and this is where incorporated the BFV system would help combined with making sure the repair tool doesn't repair too fast and has limited ammo

[hard cave]

And, describe in game rounds? Would a Rocket Propelled Grenade, on a direct hit not take out a tank? Demobilize it's treads? Affect it's function?

[heady vapor]

I think I would like to see both requisition points, and commander in bf2042

i hope vehicle drops are only by squad leader

and unique vehicles are available for carrying out commander orders, or just capping objectives in general

[hard cave]

Honestly, my frustration with tanking is just how awful they are to fight for an infantry player, especially with FLIRs and IRNVs. Even peek your head out, and get demolished in a single blast of HE or Sabot Shell. I just got out of a game in which the tanks did nothing to fight other tanks, just rolled up and stomped the infantry. Cross map suppression in an LAV, with nothing you can do to stop them.

[heady vapor]

or heals, resupplies, repairs, squad proximity bonuses, etc.

[thin rain]

Could give problems, because ppl who want vehicles will want their own squad

[heady vapor]

limit number of squads xD

[lime torrent]

Bfv tanks were dope

[heady vapor]

but ya thats a good point

[lime torrent]

Or are dope

[heady vapor]

so, do you think requisition points individually?

[thin rain]

I would leave the game if I was stuck with an awful squad leader and couldn't change it

[hard cave]

Generally, I see tanks as being more of a damaging resource, something you need to protect then a bullet sponge. They have massive guns, that can shred infantry, but they have limitations, and risks to using them.

[heady vapor]

there definitely needs to be a way for members to demote their leader

[thin rain]

Yeah

[hard cave]

Add ways for infantry players to kill/disable tank positions

[thin rain]

I think BF4 is doing it okay tbh

[heady vapor]

I agree, but I also would like to see demotions for not accepting/rejecting commander orders tbh

orders need a cooldown to prevent commander spam too though

as someone else mentioned

[lime torrent]

If I ever see this I camp the anti tank rifle, take a shot, then redeploy, and repeat

[heady vapor]

good discussions here

this was fun

[hard cave]

They were, I agree; but they also didn't have FLIR and IRNV.

[heady vapor]

i guess its in the devs hands now

[hardy kestrel]

That's why there needs to be no auto replen health for vehicles. They're bring back auto replen ammo which I disagree with but if they do the same for vehicle health then I really have to question their wisdom. You shouldn't be in the positions you are describing in 2042 if they keep auto plen out and make drivers self repair or get outside repairs

[heady vapor]

as long as it's slow, I think its balanced

you just need teamwork to take out a tank

[hard cave]

Agreed. Generally, as a rule of thumb, a tank should be no harder to take out then the people within, combined.

[heady vapor]

you can't expect to solo it

[hard cave]

IMO, ofc

[hard cave]

The issue with saying this is that teamwork is rare to find/

You aren't gonna have teams that communicate to take out tanks often

[heady vapor]

not so much teamwork, just other people with rockets also firing lol

or hell even a jet attacking

the tank just needs to be overwhelmed with numbers

and distracted

I never felt tanks were OP in bf4, but I think yall are talking about bfv which i have no clue

[amber jungle]

got 5900x and 3080ti today, i'm ready bring battlefield 2042 to me

[hardy kestrel]

It's just a bad mechanic because it is damage negation - you're undoing someone else damage without having to put in any effort. Healing and reviving should always be more difficult/dangerous than dealing damage

[hard cave]

I am referring to BF4, as someone who generally doesn't play engineer often, having a dislike for pdws/gadgets

[heady vapor]

I never felt the need to have a 3000 series yet, my 580 is doing just fine xD

[hardy kestrel]

which 3080ti did you get?

[languid sluice]

taking away auto repair so you need to get out is a good idea, and combined with brief enter/exit animations could help a lot with balance

[amber jungle]

MSI venus

Its what was available..

[heady vapor]

You have to retreat for it to be replenished, and if you get damaged auto repair is disabled for like 10 seconds

It was really only good if you were traveling to another objective with no threats

[hardy kestrel]

Yup! To be clear I would still allow drivers to self repair up to 50% from the inside but after that they need to get out and repair or have someone else do it

[hard cave]

I guess one thing to consider is how vulnerable someone using an RPG is. The majority of my kills when sniping (being a shitty sniper) have been on engineers with rocket lauchers

[heady vapor]

The important thing is to use different angles

don't just fire a rocket from the same place twice

the tank can't line up their shots and predict you fast enough

its like wack a mole

[hardy kestrel]

No worries. There's actually not much difference in terms of performance between that and something like the Strix versions. Just a few frames. Congrats on the new rig!

[hard cave]

They can use their main cannon to hit you from behind cover, the second after you fire though, killing you with splash

[heady vapor]

only if there is a wall behind you, you will die from splash damage

make sure to stay in the open where they can really only shoot the ground

or have the shell directly pass through you

[hard cave]

Or if they fire at the floor next to you. Died plenty of times that way.

[languid sluice]

gunner will rek u in the open tho

[heady vapor]

I dunno, I really think bf4 had tanks balanced

otherwise don't engage when you are alone, wait for the tank to be distracted by other players or another tank and team up against them

[languid sluice]

yeah I've never felt overly frustrated by tanks as infy in bf4 and they're fun to drive too

[soft kayak]

The in game RPG fires HEAT rounds. Theyre great against other armored vehicles, but MBTs are very strong. Best you will get is a disabled track.
To penetrate an MBT, you need a far more powerful Tandem round

[thin rain]

the only way you should be able to Solo a tank is if you get several shots in its rear

[hardy kestrel]

The big difference is that auto repair you can keep moving and attacking - With self repair you are stuck and vulnerable so it was a true pause - a way to provide infantry a real genuine earned relief from tanks since they had to really retreat and not do a fighting retreat.

[thin rain]

or plant 3-4 C4 on it

[amber jungle]

thanks man!

[hard cave]

Pardon me for not being military lol and not knowing that. Question in that sense then; why wouldn't a soldier in BF4 be using tandem rounds?

[hardy kestrel]

Or seduce the driver with sultry teabagging

[languid sluice]

probably bc they're rare/expensive/whatever, although @hardy kestrel tanks in BF4 don't have reactive armor by default since it's an upgrade

[heady vapor]

I mean ya, but all it took was even a small amount of damage to disable that, but I wouldn't be mad if they went back to self repair, but I did prefer autorepair

[thin rain]

[heady vapor]

I usually always retreated and used my repair tool anyway

there really are alot of ways to die in a tank

[soft kayak]

heat rounds are still the primary AT weapon across the globe, because Tandem rounds are expensive as hell.
Also you can in bf4 with the javelin.

[hard cave]

Then why does the Javelin do nothing in terms of damage?

[heady vapor]

it does 30?

[radiant prism]

Balance, probably

[arctic grove]

Because it has family

[soft kayak]

cause balance. If the Javelin had damage proportional to the rpg it would be completely broken

[heady vapor]

Javelin should have been fire and forget

would of made it much better

[radiant prism]

There’s a difference between realism and good gameplay

[soft kayak]

^

[heady vapor]

talk about being vulnerable by maintaining lock on a tank

[soft kayak]

squad doesnt even have the javelin for this reason

[heady vapor]

javelin was only good for camping on a roof

[hard cave]

Here is my thinking; Thinking of tanks like medieval knights in modern warfare is a mistake. They really aren't, realistically. I would argue that a fun and more realistic gameplay experience could be had if tanks were made more succeptable to infantry anti-tank armaments

[languid sluice]

like 40mm?

idk that that would be more realistic lol and might be too spammy with 128p

[soft kayak]

fair enough. however, I would like to see the frequency of AT launchers in 2042 before I make that call. The new class system has changed the context of how bf is balanced.

[hard cave]

Fair, of course

Really, I am just sick of getting rolled by a max level tank with every implement in the game to make them unable to die, going 50-0

[radiant prism]

IMHO, 90% of the people who claim AT is too weak always engage tanks from the front. In most BF games, you do WAY more damage from the rear of a tank. In BFV, for example, you can do almost 50 damage in one hit with an AT launcher from the rear.

[hard cave]

Being a second away from getting a kill, and getting flattened by a tank round from out of your range, after being spotted by FLIR optics.

[languid sluice]

facts, all about positioning

[hard cave]

I do know that tanks are easier to kill from the back, that is true; but a good driver/gunner won't let that happen.

[heady vapor]

jihad jeep?

thats the best way to solo them

[hard cave]

That is the only way to solo them lol

[radiant prism]

Or sneak up behind. Use those flanks

[hard cave]

Consistently

[heady vapor]

I've attached m2 slams to a tank and rpged it that way also

[thin rain]

Good tank drivers require teamwork to take down tho

[dull lark]

Hey all

[thin rain]

as they should

[heady vapor]

this ^^

[radiant prism]

As they should tbh yeah

Beat me to it lol

[hard cave]

As they should; but it shouldn't be onesided, IMO. Keeping a tank alive, and getting it to it's destination should too be a team effort.

[thin rain]

Yeah ofc

[hard cave]

One man in a tank should not outclass a squad of assault, engineer, recon and support.

[radiant prism]

At the same time though, tanks on their own are supposed to be a threat. If tanks are useless without other infantry, theres next to no point to them being in the game

[thin rain]

I loved using tanks in BF4

but getting a terrible gunner meant I cant push anywhere

almost worse than having none

[hardy kestrel]

Depends, if they are in a crater all huddled up then they need to eat their AP shells and go to spawn screen like good little boys and girls

[thin rain]

Very situational

[dull lark]

Yeah the whole vehicle vs infantry in bf4 was kinda dumb

If you didn’t have vehicles yourself

It was kinda doomed

[hard cave]

I firmly disagree; personally, I see the tank as just another class of soldier, as I do other vehicles. They shouldn't be god tier, just better and worse in some and other aspects. Their rarity (thanks to limits) allows them to take on a bit more value then a common soldier, but not to the degree we can see

[hard cave]

But even in an open field, spread out.

[hardy kestrel]

Cmon I saw plenty of infantry have big games

[radiant prism]

Can't wait for all the whinging from the CoD crowd about how vehicles are "OP" when 2042 rolls around

[hard cave]

I think the tank wins the majority of the time

[dull lark]

I mean I like vehicles a lot

[thin rain]

Tanks should always win long range, but when they have to go to a capture point they become vulnerable

[dull lark]

If I wanted to play an FPS where I was rewarded for having stellar aim I would not play battlefield 🤣

[radiant prism]

If enemy infantry are trying to engage a tank in an open field, the tank should absolutely win that engagement

[thin rain]

against infantry that is

[dull lark]

I feel that battlefield is probably way more fun when you have a group of people to coordinate Things, with randoms it’s kinda bad

[soft kayak]

actually you know what? The javelin should be a pick up weapon. Having a tandem warhead plunge onto the weaker top of a tank with the combined force of rocket propulsion and gravity is the closest thing irl to be smitten by god.
would be a fun as hell pickup weapon.

[hardy kestrel]

I wonder how they will handle vehicle criticals in BF2042 - Will it be like 4 or will it be like V where you targeted the area to damage it?

[hard cave]

That is what I am talking about

[dull lark]

None of my friends play this game though sadge

[hard cave]

Create something that can pose a legitimate threat to a tank

[radiant prism]

Hopefully like V, making everything like BF4 seems like a big step back to me

[thin rain]

We already know you can damage specific parts

If you target the right track on a tank, the right track is damaged

[soft kayak]

oh, been a thing for a while. AT guns in bf 1 and V as well as the tank hunter pickup.

[dull lark]

Like what if if you attacked it’s treads it would stop moving or hitting a certain part would cause it to explode after 30 seconds

[hard cave]

In what situations does an assault, support, recon and enginner beat a tank in fair combat?

[radiant prism]

Honestly I think everyone going back to BF4 to "prepare" for BF2042 is making a mistake. Its got a much bigger chance of playing more like V than it does 4

[dull lark]

Because the gameplay loop rn is that the tank players will fire at you from across the map and the second they take any damage you just get your engineer to heal you rinse repeat

[hard cave]

Imagine if either of the tanks in that game had FLIR

[dull lark]

I feel like the vehicles should undergo status effects

[thin rain]

Dont have helicopters and jets in BFV tho ;)

[soft kayak]

there is a helicopter in bfv

[radiant prism]

Not in an open field, thats for sure. Trying to head on a tank is and should be suicide. Playing it smart and utilizing flanks, as well as just generally overwhelming with ranged AT weaponry as a team (ideally from the sides or rear) are also viable

[dull lark]

Jets were kinda weird no?

[arctic grove]

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUN

[radiant prism]

Also lets face it, BFV's planes and BF4's jets are functionally identical

[dull lark]

I feel like they have almost no effect on the outcome of my games lmao

[radiant prism]

nearly

[vast dome]

Pekora

[dull lark]

helicopters in the other hand

😤

[soft kayak]

if the jets have air superiority those helicopters become nearly impossible to use

[dull lark]

I see

[thin rain]

Siege of Shanghai

[dull lark]

perhaps I just never notice it

[thin rain]

APache

[hard cave]

What AT weaponry? In BF4, the assault has, at most a grenade launcher that does little. Engineers get all of it, but one Anti-Infantry warhead and that isn't a problem. Sniper and support have C4... but just back up.

[dull lark]

Dude my favorite thing on siege of Shanghai is just BASE jumping from the skyscraper to point A Or E to backcap

🅱️

[hardy kestrel]

I feel like attack jets were more vehicle focussed while stealth was very much anti air with a little anti vehicle. Compared to BFV where the planes did a lot more close support against infantry.

[thin rain]

One thing I hope is if you snipe a heli with an RPG or SMAW, it goes down instantly.... hitting one of those rare shots to do only 70% damage sucks

[hard cave]

This, for sure

[slim cobalt]

I want to see a whole new series of Battlefield friends!!!

[radiant prism]

Then get multiple engineers, hit it with rockets from multiple angles. Those Snipers and Supports with C4 could also try to flank the tank, C4 it from behind, and blow it sky high without it ever knowing what hit it

[dull lark]

What I want for Battlefield 2042 is just like, more incentive for players to work together

That’s pretty much it

[radiant prism]

Engineer though, being the dedicated AT class, takes on the brunt of the responsibility

[arctic grove]

any new 2042 leaks?

[dull lark]

Because tank duo > no tank duo

[radiant prism]

Nope

[brittle forge]

If the AI bots regularly drop ammo or health they'll be better than 90% of average players I'll be honest

[hardy kestrel]

I don't really like that - maybe with the RPG since it is slower but with the SMAW I feel like thats too punitive

[hard cave]

So, in order to take out one person in BF4, you need to get your entire squad to dedicate themselves to the task, get a situation in which you can flank and not be seen by their FOV in 3rd person, and to ensure they all have the correct items and equipment to take it on (I know that I for one don't run c4 on my supports.) Only for them, even if you succeed to respawn, take a new tank, and not fall for your tricks again.

[thin rain]

70% is too little tho

[mental stone]

yo

wassgud

[slim cobalt]

Will this game support cross play?

[radiant prism]

Uhh...yes, actually. Because that individual is in a tank, and tanks should always beat infantry in a head on, one-on-one fight. Even a whole squad should have a somewhat tough time dealing with a tank, but naturally fare much better, especially with more RPGs, and even better if that squad is backed by additional teammates. The tank is, on paper, absolutely supposed to win, because its a tank. They're supposed to be a threat, one which only teamwork can take out.

Tank shelling your objective from a distance? Good, he can't take it without coming closer. Stay clear of him, draw him in, and ambush him from where he least expects

[hardy kestrel]

You have to factor in all the other things shooting at it though. Flying with 30% health in chopper is pretty much a death sentence in a large portion of scenarios

[radiant prism]

I know in BFV taking out tanks can be done solo quite easily if you can get close to a tank, or even just behind it with the right placement, and that only gets easier with a squad

[thin rain]

But you are rewarded nothing, why would I waste my shots on it if I have no chance to take it down?

If a Heli gets hit by RPG or SMAW it is because they either got really unlucky

or they made a mistake

[hardy kestrel]

I hope squad leaders will have the ability to call in a UCAV strike on vehicles with homing missiles - I think that would be really useful and a good way to reward squads with a lot of PTFO points

[radiant prism]

Rule of thumb: stop trying to engage tanks A) from range B) from the front. Thats where they're strongest. Put them in any other situation, and you'll find the odds much more in your favor.

[hard cave]

I think you are giving tanks far too much credit. Tanks, whilst obviously a threat, have weaknesses that can be exploited. Armor can be punched through with rockets, and crew melted within. Tanks break, weapons jam, and treads fall off. People can jump onto tanks, and drop grenades into them. A tank, though it is a tank, is still only driven by one player. Whilst I agree with you that in other situations it is easier to fight a tank, generally you don't get that option

You don't engage a tank at all, you die anyways.

You engage from behind? Get shot at by their allies

Or by them for even approaching.

[arctic grove]

no reputable tank squad is letting ppl throw grenades into their tank bro

[thin rain]

Nah its not that impossible at all

[hardy kestrel]

Can you effectively explain to me 1) How 70% equates to nothing? 2) Are you disputing that flying with 30% health is not extremely perilous? 3) Even if the chopper doesn't die you force them to retreat and then that slows their DPM

[hard cave]

Fair. I went a bit hollywood there

My apologies

[thin rain]

if they are not moving much they are somewhat easy to hit, if they are hit or keep getting shot at they are forced to move back

[hard cave]

But the same idea applies.

[radiant prism]

And thus, most BF games reflect this. BF4 has mobility kills, BF1 and BFV have part disables that can cripple a tank when they pile up. Also, how would you suggest this get fixed? Theres no way for the game to really just hand you a way to make tanks easier to kill without completely busting the viability of tanks.

[thin rain]

If it goes down afterwards you currently get hardly any reward for it, in BF where they can sit on the side and repair it instantly as well lol...

[devout meadow]

I expect Penguin Charms

[thin rain]

Your time is better spent trying to shoot out the pilot

(when possible)

[old egret]

Bee ok bye

[hard cave]

I would suggest we alter the role of tanks entirely. I would argue that a tank should be the center of an attack, an aid to an attack but not an attack in it's own right. Like everything in battlefield, it is something that aids another thing, and not a thing by it's lonesome. By making tanks easier for infantry to remove from the field of play, they become more valuable, more important to defend.

[thin rain]

By tanks being easier to kill they become less valuable

not more

unless you make them kill infantry faster as a way to balance it

[hard cave]

Not if you give them stronger capacities offensively.

[thin rain]

I am not sure I think that is better balanced

[hard cave]

Which I would argue is fine. It still takes a team effort to take out a tank, but it now takes a team effort to defend one as well

[radiant prism]

Its a necessary evil, in my eyes. Obvious hyperbole here, but if you were to encounter a tank and be able to destroy it easily in 1-2 rockets, it would be a whole lot of "oh look, a tank boom anyways" and there'd be no real reason to ever get a tank because you'd just get deleted. Letting tanks be, well, tanks, spices things up. The presence of a tank makes you change things up, stop, and think about the best way to handle a situation, or even to bring up a tank of your own. This makes destroying a tank incredibly rewarding. You, a little fleshbag, have taken down this iron titan with the help of your teammates (or even on your own if you've done it right) and killed a couple of enemies in the process. If the game just handed you easy wins, the game would get boring real fast.

Its part of what I like to call the "Oh Shit" factor that makes the game more exciting.

[thin rain]

If tanks were broken by even 3 rockets idk if I would ever be in one lmao, u either have to camp in spawn or some other place super far from combat

[hard cave]

Perhaps. My issue is that, in my experience, that opportunity comes absolutely never. For me, the experience is more; Trying to fight infantry; Tank Rolls Up; Ohfuck, I have nothing I can do here to deal with this, guess I'll fucking die then. Repeat, Respawn.

No doubt it is fun to take out tanks, but if you can't take out a tank, then there is no fun in doing so.

[radiant prism]

Lets face it, given the way most Battlefield games play, making tanks rely on teamwork to survive would leave a lot of tanks without teams. Making them weaker makes them a burden, and ultimately taking control out of one player's hands and making them rely on someone else just isn't fun in the long run.

[thin rain]

I find tanks somewhat easy to fight

at least in BF4

[radiant prism]

In my experience, the most frustrating deaths are those where you feel like theres nothing you could have done. Making tanks weaker because they need to be protected would lead to incredibly unrewarding gameplay

Thus, tanks command a certain confidence

[hard cave]

But making it so you need a team to defend them creates the same problem in reverse; it leaves a lot of tanks to run rampant, as you cannot reasonably rely on a team to deal with a tank with you leaves you relying on someone else, which as you said, isn't fun in the longrun

[thin rain]

if a tank rolls up on you while ur on your own and you die, that is not really unfair either. The odds were against you. Spawn back with an RPG or smth

[thin rain]

idk what game you have in mind, but in BF4 one man can definitely mess up a tank

they are forced to retreat

[hard cave]

I just know my experience is different then yours then, generally.

Fighting tanks, IMO fucking sucks

[radiant prism]

Except for the fact that many people will specifically go out of their way to deal with tanks, because killing them is, generally, very rewarding. For one thing, we're practically ignoring that tanks are often ripe targets for aircraft, not to mention the fact that friendly tanks exist.

[thin rain]

Imo what sucks is that you have to play engineer in CQ

[nova idol]

imo the reason tanks are so damn annoying is because any damage you do to them can immediately be reversed

Meaning if you dont take it out in one go you might as well have done nothing

[thin rain]

Most CQL maps, especially recently with the influx of new players... if you are not engineer to blow things up, you will get destroyed.

[arctic grove]

this summer is gonna go by without wasting it on 2042

[thin rain]

But if they are forced to retreat for a minute or two you can capture a point, now you and your team can spawn there and more firepower becomes more danger

to the tank that is

[radiant prism]

Ok this debate has been good, but I really need to go soon

[arctic grove]

i mean it is a tank

[nova idol]

But they dont have to retreat

[hard cave]

Thanks. My mind isn't changed, but I appreciate the time, and get your perspective

[thin rain]

in BF4 they do

[nova idol]

They can have their engineer buddy hop out and repair

And then hop back in

[thin rain]

They dont repair fast enough

I never had that happen to me where they succeeded in that

[radiant prism]

This. Sometimes its not necessarily about killing a tank, its about forcing it to fall back and knocking it out of the fight, if just for a little while, giving you and your team to regroup, rearm, and reengage.

[thin rain]

If they get out they die

[hard cave]

Really, I just hate that helpless feeling when a tank rolls up and you don't have exactly what you need to take it out

And you just get OHK.

[thin rain]

You just have to be smart about it honestly

you can get 2 shots in on a tank before it is sure where you are even at

that is minimum of -40%

[nova idol]

And then youre dead

[thin rain]

no

[nova idol]

Yes

[thin rain]

Well maybe you, but most of the time I would not let it kill me no

[radiant prism]

Thats something you have to be conscious of when choosing classes IMO. When I choose medic, I do it with the knowledge that I myself may not be able to damage tanks much. However, with smoke and heals, I can do my best to keep my teammates alive to deal with it.

[nova idol]

Because their big fuck off cannon lands in fucking cuba and still kills you

[thin rain]

Thank you for healing and reviving people, we need more like you D:

[hard cave]

It's an issue of reliance, I guess. Also, I appreciate your medic-ness.

[radiant prism]

Medic was more of an example tbh, I'm not much of a medic main

[hard cave]

Ah

[thin rain]

I sometimes have to spend my final 10-15 bullets annoying support players and knifing them etc to get them to give me ammo

[radiant prism]

I play it a good bit, but I'm not solely medic

Ok I really do need to go for now

[hard cave]

Really, there isn't gonna be a solution to this

Cya

[thin rain]

Cya mate!

I know how we can fix support players not dropping ammo

you should be able to just grab and hold onto their leg when ur low on ammo

[hard cave]

Just... backpack ammo like BFH?

[thin rain]

so until they drop you ammo they cant move

[hard cave]

That is a lol

[thin rain]

that'll teach 'em

[hard cave]

Thanks for listening to me rant, Neth. Honestly, I just got out of a game of BF4, in which a tank went on a 14 kill tear just hunting infantry, before running away to it's backline where nobody could touch it to heal to full, whilst our team had no tank, because not everyone likes to play in them lol. The other team held total vehicular supremacy

I tried to sneak up with C4, but got Flir-spotted and OHKed, again and again.

So this rant was inspired by that, sorta.

[arctic grove]

Yoooooo

Wassss Gucci

[thin rain]

No worries man! I understand how it can feel haha... unfortunately have to admit I am often on the other side of it as I fell in love with BF4 tanks since release. Sounds like they had a better team than yours by that alone tbh, that is what is hardest about the game. Sometimes you get a group that is really new and dont really know what to do haha

[arctic grove]

Sup bro

[thin rain]

When your enemy has air superiority and really good jet pilots... ugh... that is the worst tbh.

[thin rain]

Heyu

[hard cave]

Yeah. Especially as someone who is the only BF player they know IRL, and who is less then comfortable playing on mic with strangers, so good teamplay simply doesn't exist kek. I always end up just plopping into silent squads, who never stick together

[arctic grove]

Yeaaa bro especially when ur jumping out of the jet then sniping at a pilot then jump back in the jet hard asf to do

[thin rain]

Ahh yeah then it isnt easy! Hard to find players for a squad at random while playing. Was going to say you could find a group here, but the no mic part complicates things haha

[hard cave]

Yeah. Plus, as someone who far prefers recon play to assault play, it just aggrevates the problem of trying to fight tanks.

[thin rain]

Ahh.... yeah then you wont have a good time lmao

[hard cave]

Yeah.

[thin rain]

When I play CQL I am engineer 90% of the time because I feel like no one destroys enemy tanks etc. otherwise

[hard cave]

I can't tell you the number of times a tank has sniped me from sniper ranges using their shell, wiping me out instantly whilst I could do nothing.

[thin rain]

hahaha

yeah thats tough

[spice burrow]

What time is the thing?

[hard cave]

And I know it's fun for the tanker, because obviously that is really fucking fun to just wipe infy

[thin rain]

Check #game-news if you mean the thing today :)

[hard cave]

But for the player who gets wiped, repeatedly, it's far less fun

[thin rain]

Definitely haha, thats what makes balance in BF complicated. If the enemy team has air superiority AND the better tankers. You are gonna have a terrible time

[spice burrow]

Getting shit on alot contributes to getting better

[hard cave]

And it happens far too often for my tastes, tbh

[thin rain]

Maybe CQL isn't for you then :p

[hard cave]

It was what got me to put down BF for the period I did

[thin rain]

Yeah I mean, maybe you should play more infantry based? Unless you find a squad to mess up the enemy vehicles haha

[hard cave]

That is the problem, right there. I'm a recon player

CQL is where the dopamine hits really come; 300M Headshots, supporting your team on the objective

[thin rain]

true

[hard cave]

But

Tanks

And those damn chopper pilots lol

[thin rain]

Tbh, you wanna annoy a tank, just get that laser target thingy

[hard cave]

Haha, the PLD?

[thin rain]

yeah

[hard cave]

Use it every game

[hardy kestrel]

BF4 wasn't even a great game for its time in terms of balance and mechanics. I'm mildly optimistic that some of the lessons learned from previous BF's will make their way into 2042 and make vehicle potent without being needlessly oppressive.

[thin rain]

its the most annoying thing in the game if you are in a tank

I think BF4 tanks are absolutely amazing though

was top 10 on the leaderboards for tanking when the game first came out, until I finally went to bed

[hard cave]

Though, because the tanker can see which direction it is coming from, and thermals are just ridiculously good, that is a one shell solution to that annoying beeping

[thin rain]

Depends how far it is ;) preferably you want smth to hide behind

When people do it on top of a hill or a rock that is super frustrating

[ember trail]

hola friends

[thin rain]

o/

[ember trail]

fax

[hard cave]

As someone who is pushes up glasses an expert at being wiped off the map by tank shells, I want to let ya know that the blast radius on AP tank shells does wonders to deal with that.

allo

[thin rain]

lmao!

[ember trail]

can we all agree that the guy sitting in spawn with an aa picking off planes has no life

[hard cave]

Even worse is the mobile AA who uses it only to destroy infy

[thin rain]

they are certainly taking advantage of something that is way overpowered at least

I feel that

on the zavod map especially

[hard cave]

You aren't helping your team at all

[thin rain]

They are such a pain lol

[hard cave]

All you are doing is focusing on your own KD

And it is even more annoying for those who want to fight it

Without engineers

[ember trail]

im talking ab the ones in bf5 and bf1

[arctic grove]

imagine caring about KD in conquest

[ember trail]

everyone who touches the mobile one in bf4 sucks butt

[hard cave]

True

Unless you are touching it to put C4 on it

[thin rain]

I only grab the mobile AA if I get very tired of the enemy jets

[hard cave]

That is fair

[oak loom]

Don't forget people, tomorrow morning 10am PST Dice LA (Now Ripple) will discuss future of FPS and most likely #battlefield-2042

[hard cave]

It is also the reason why I am generally less a fan of vehicles in multiplayer games like BF: Because they're a limited resource, I don't want to waste them/take them up for when people who actually know how to use them really fucking well want to use them.

Same happened in battlefront for me, and when I was learning to fly jets

[thin rain]

I mean it is okay to want to learn

[hard cave]

I'm at work...

[thin rain]

Im only bothered when people use it for transport and leave it

Those that take jets just to get to a capture point are annoying

(where they jump out)

[oak loom]

Those are the worst

[hard cave]

IK most aren't bothered, but it's that silent thought of well, that tank/chopper could have been better used by someone better then I at this game lol (Also fuck those guys, who use attack vehicles as transport vehicles)

[thin rain]

Gotta learn somehow :p

[hard cave]

True, but doesn't make it any easier kek

[thin rain]

On Siege of Shanghai if the other team has a good attack heli and the same two new players keep taking yours and dying though.... 😅

Frustrating

[hard cave]

That is it

Right there lol

Anyways, I too need to work tomorrow, so it is time for myself to sleep

[thin rain]

Gnite mate

[hard cave]

Thanks for the discussion, I appreciate it. GN!

[fiery solar]

our expectations for 2042

[arctic grove]

I still remember the first time I played siege and seeing that tower go down

and the paracel storm map

man it was amazing

[fiery solar]

truly

[upper sage]

wonder if destruction will be dynamic. Like if u blow out a side of a building it falls in that direction

[fiery solar]

poor cpu

[arctic grove]

scripted events. dont expect much from aaa studios these days

they here to milk ur wallet. thats it

[fiery solar]

teardown is all dynamic. just no smoke effects if something collapses

[timber mulch]

are they going to show gameplay tomorrow or what?

[pine cave]

idk

maybe

[upper sage]

i think so, maybe a few teasers

[pine cave]

lol

[wheat portal]

Anyone else worried about the no weapon locking

and specialists

what’s the point of a class if there’s no specific role to play

[granite lotus]

No weapon locking?

[wheat portal]

yea like u can use a sniper as a medic etc

I just think it’s dumb

[fiery solar]

what could go wrong

[wheat portal]

everything

and everyone’s gonna run a rocket launcher

[granite lotus]

Ooh yea. It’s an interesting change, considering how BF has almost always stuck to the traditional way.

[wheat portal]

I have a feeling they’re gonna tweak it later on

When it flops

[granite lotus]

A complete overhaul would be wild

[wheat portal]

they’ve done unnecessary changes to shit before

That’s why I quit playing bf5

[upper sage]

specialists are just classes renamed, assault, engineer, recon & support

[glass plinth]

yeah but way over-engineered

backstories and names are weird, no?

[granite lotus]

10 specialists at launch I believe

[wheat portal]

I think specialists dumb

but if it works I’ll be glad

I think bf4 had a good weapon system where each class had one weapon class where only that class could use it

But the rest were free to switch around

[granite lotus]

I think everyone will get used to it pretty quick