battlefield-2042

[chilly dove]

*you got SHOT dog. that guy SHOT YOU UP

[sour shadow]

So we remove revives from the game because we get shot?

[chilly dove]

it's joever

[sour shadow]

Is this good faith still?

[jagged yacht]

What's everyone queue like I'm 107k waiting

[sour shadow]

Every day we get another game design recommendation that brings us closer to CoD...

[brittle wind]

KD is important but I feel it's less important than games like CoD honestly, you can manipulate KD with waiting for revives every single time

[chilly dove]

you enter into downed state from getting shot up? it's already joever lmao. revives are more of a psychological thing here. but i guess it's part of the history of the BF feel now. but the devs could easily have the genitalia to remove it from the next game, and we'd adapt. Or some would just not get the game over that 1 feature lol.

[sour shadow]

Please don't design games.

[chilly dove]

perish the thought that you die when getting shot lol

how could counter-strike do this to us!?

[split inlet]

Don't compare CS to BF lol

[abstract night]

Remove revives? Is that a joke? Genuinely curious

[sour shadow]

It has to be.

[split inlet]

Medic - redundant. Boring

[sour shadow]

Exactly. 1/4 classes are now removed from the game. GG guys. We did it!

[abstract night]

I wouldn’t be surprised at this point seeing as I saw attempts to defend the lack of a proper server browser among other features

[chilly dove]

"oh no, i died" reappears magically right behind a squad mate taking cover in battle

[abstract night]

“Server browser was too complicated to navigate” real thing I read once

[brittle wind]

Remove classes and make everyone assault

[sour shadow]

Not bots though! Somehow... most competent medics in the game.

[sour shadow]

Thanks for your feedback and design... ideas. But we're good. Thanks.

[candid brook]

We'll have a new game and people are still going to get triggered over recon camping

[zenith dawn]

Why is everyone saying battlefield labs is 2042, it’s legit their new game playtesting

[brittle wind]

Snipers and shotguns should be removed, recons should have SMGs and DMRs

[candid brook]

You stop that right now

[pastel fox]

I just want to say to the devs please dont make items glow, I rather have a circular icon.

[arctic geode]

Nah, ONLY keep Sundance. Everyone is Sundance in new BF.

[brittle wind]

They can have some of their abilities as subclasses similar to BFV honestly

[vital quail]

People are not smart

[brittle wind]

Combat assault - regen hp with every kill

Mackay is nerfed now

[candid brook]

Yo can we get a +1 on throwables via in game keystering?

[brittle wind]

I think strafes should be locked to weapons rather than characters

Like BFV

Many weapons had lightened stock

[zenith dawn]

They’re definitely going back to the bf4 and bf3 class system. No more characters

[brittle wind]

Which gave you faster strafing speed

[chilly dove]

see this and your other comment @ me are a bit passive aggressive. for the record, in 2042 right now you can waive the downed state and go straight into redeployment. and in your previous reply you said for me to not design games, yet there are respawn military shooters that have existed without revivable states, like some call of duty franchise istallments. I don't like call of duty, but do I think the call of duty devs should just stop making games and all that money?? no need to be so harsh guy

[abstract night]

In all seriousness, classic class system, delete specialists, make their gadgets pickups/class gadgets

[zenith dawn]

Definitely not, I agree with no weird characters in a warfare game

It’s time to let those go

[candid brook]

This please all the way

Back to the OG way it was

[sour shadow]

OK man. I just think 'remove medics' sure is a design choice that would have been better left unsaid.

[zenith dawn]

Bro you gotta let go the hero’s shit 😭

Classic classes are back

[brittle wind]

They should bring back BF Heroes classes

[chilly dove]

i didn't say remove medics. i said i don't care for revives personally

[supple sequoia]

bros hating on irish this is tragic

[brittle wind]

3 classes rather than 4

[abstract night]

Actually irish can stay I guess

But only as an elite

[brittle wind]

Sadly his VA died

[chilly dove]

literally stop dots, heal me lmao

[supple sequoia]

good enough for ke

me

[brittle wind]

Irish won't return even in the story

[abstract night]

Damn I genuinely forgot that for a moment, rip

[sour shadow]

..... OK. Still really weird and bad.

[zenith dawn]

Facts. Just a bad take

[supple sequoia]

them trophy systems come in clutch for cqc maps

[zenith dawn]

Bro LET IT GO

[brittle wind]

Dark is trolling you guys

I don't think he seriously wants operators back

[abstract night]

Okay fine

Irish and falck

[zenith dawn]

And I will entertain the bait because it’s that bad of a take

[sour shadow]

Huge recurring theme for this chat...

[chilly dove]

how dare you all forget about angel

[supple sequoia]

… yeeaa

sadly

loadout crate just kinda- eh

like okay ig?

[chilly dove]

he spawn ammo and team kill with that create. laughs > your need to be revived faster.

[vital quail]

Loadout crate with engineer squadmates is very useful

[supple sequoia]

nothing some patience and an ammo box cant solve

[vital quail]

A full 5 rockets instantly instead of getting 1 every 30 seconds??

Are you serious

[chilly dove]

now THIS is my kind of support!

[brittle wind]

Pac or Recker might return in the story

[supple sequoia]

for the time it takes to fire and reload a rocket i personally find that an ammo box works just fine. also try calling in the crate in front if a tank and lmk how it works out

[brittle wind]

Maybe even Blackburn if it's his PMC that's going against NATO

[abstract night]

In retrospect I literally hated Paiks entire existence and that’s another reason I hate hero shooters

They literally all have that one legal wall hack character

[supple sequoia]

goated paik if ur running solo tho

[vital quail]

If an angel places a loadout crate anywhere near an objective, anyone can come over and use it. The time between being able to place new crates is so small that it isn't an issue

[sour shadow]

"Bro you ran out of ammo! Take the L!"

[naive ember]

Paik should get buffed

[supple sequoia]

ur saying someone isnt gonna be watching that crate and baiting it?

[chilly dove]

all my setups prioritze other gadgets in that slot, so when an angel gives me ammo, i'm earnestly stopping to type "thank you for the ammo bro, honestly. I'm sure you don't get thanked enough for this". Yes, even in the middle of the combat

[abstract night]

In my opinion, you should actually challenge a corner if you want to shoot the enemies behind/around it

[vital quail]

If 10+ people on your team are on an objective this won't be an issue lol

[brittle wind]

I would've kept Zain, Lis and Blasco's passives as subclasses honestly

[supple sequoia]

and how many times is 10 people on a single obj 🫣

[chilly dove]

#Normalize #Thanking #Support #For #Ammo #And #Heals

[vital quail]

In 128? Pretty common

[supple sequoia]

i have no experience there
i run 64 conquest

[vital quail]

Even a squad together is enough

Battlefield players are stupid, they won't even know what the crate does if they see it

If i ever had a pocket medic I would want them to be angel over falck

[sour shadow]

Playing the objective should be fun.

[vital quail]

As a Crawford main

[chilly dove]

exactly, but sometimes that can be both.

[sour shadow]

It's like... really helpful when you play the objective though...

[abstract night]

Playing for victory is actually literally more fun

[sour shadow]

If that's what you need to tell yourself... you might just be losing a lot.

[abstract night]

For example: it’s not fun being spawn trapped

[chilly dove]

i just think if someone else is doing something in the game optionally like not reviving you, there's no point getting all gamer ragey mad about it. If player behaviour has you liking bots...... ... lol

[supple sequoia]

im top like 3% or some crap in obj time, its all abt the W

[shrewd reef]

the server profile is just white now. no 2042 color.

interesting

[sour shadow]

Straight up 'removing revives' is a sledgehammer response though.
Let's not forget that was your response.

[sour shadow]

Based

Bit of a middle ground.. I'd wager..

That's... that's playing the objective..

[supple sequoia]

im an avid back-capper 🫣
love coming in behind type shit

[sour shadow]

OK.

That's fine.

[vital quail]

Is it though

[sour shadow]

Well maybe not 0! But 1 is fine. I guess.
If you're holding objectives that is also fine.

[sour shadow]

Holding doesn't count as capturing and is 100% undervalued. So yeah.

The 'Objective' is to capture and hold the sectors.

[limpid pond]

Yeah kills matter more than capturing the objective. The reason I say that Is because you can't capture the objective if the enemies are on it

[chilly dove]

I mean i dare you to see it from a self criticizing standpoint then. There's a certain amount of maturity that, if obtained, allows the player to not be tilted over not getting a revive or a repair. Not getting mad/sad when shot. Not caring about the loss in a random online public match of battlefield or any other videogame. Ever considered putting stats into that category? Chill and chill adjacent gaming. Salt-less play. Unbothered, moisturized, in your own lane, battlefielding?

[sour shadow]

I'm imagining you leaving objectives uncaptured after clearing them.

[sour shadow]

I'm not reading this.

[limpid pond]

No I capture them but I kill everyone on it

The kills matter more though

[sour shadow]

Why bother capturing the objective if it doesn't matter?
Sounds like it matters.

That's so untrue but OK

[vital quail]

My last end of round screenshot I was 68-7 with 17 flag caps. The next highest was 11 and then a bunch of 7s (128 cq)

[limpid pond]

No one said it didn't matter. You seem like you're looking for a argument so imma opt out of this one

[sour shadow]

That's fair, you did say it matters MORE.
But like.. it sounds like the kills are the means to the capture.

[supple sequoia]

my hs is 105-13

redacted goes brr

[limpid pond]

Well yeah. I normally average about 50 to 60 kills a game with a average of 5-8 captures. But I have to kill everyone on the point first. If I can't kill them off the point then they keep spawning on it to the point where it's overwhelming

[supple sequoia]

thats one map i will give praise to

[chilly dove]

ah yes, i forgot how complex and dangerous a sentence can be. but bro made sure to tell me specifically he's ignoring it. I wonder what happened to the whole "push back" / "shared criticism" angle. hip pa crow see

[supple sequoia]

it nay not be metro, but i do appreciate tunnels on redacted for back capping or at least a chance instead of a stalemate the whole game

[limpid pond]

I think my hs in this game is like 215 but that's was on pre remake of hourglass

Back when the point in front of stadium was in BT

[sour shadow]

Which means you're killing people so as to capture the point.
Which means the capturing of the point is the goal.
If killing was the goal you wouldn't bother capturing. You'd keep the point so you'd have infinite people to kill.
So capturing the point is more important.

[chilly dove]

guess i will reblock anyway,

[supple sequoia]

i used to hate stadium so bad 😭😭

[limpid pond]

Yeah stadium I was farming for pp19 t1

[sour shadow]

We abandoned that when you wanted to get rid of revives in Battlefield.

[limpid pond]

Stadium is more dogshit now that they remade it imo

My second highest kill game is orbital. Then it's stranded

Oribital was like 210

[supple sequoia]

theres so many routes and ways around in stadium it makes it more challenging which is why weaker teams lose if they dont utilize those opportunities

[limpid pond]

I don't like stadium due to the weird ass spawns the defending team gets

They spawn on the left and right wh8ch is mad weird

My highest kills in cq is like 140 but that's was when Flashpoint got released

I don't play cq unless I'm tryna farm sweats for content

Bt is easier for high kill games

Cq is more impressive for high kill games

Yeah Zain falck or paik

[sour shadow]

Probably because people are prioritising capturing points.

[limpid pond]

Paiks op on haven

[supple sequoia]

such an underrated meta

[limpid pond]

Yeah Zain is my go to because his passive

[supple sequoia]

ive never met a zain main

[limpid pond]

I just wish his heal was faster

[supple sequoia]

always a sweaty falk

[thorny latch]

Zain couldve been so cool though

[limpid pond]

Yeah I'm the sweaty falk

[supple sequoia]

props bro

[hoary needle]

if you arent running grapple hook you arent a true chad

[limpid pond]

But when I play assault i use Zain

That hp passive is better

[thorny latch]

Boris main here

[next onyx]

Zain is fun.

[kindred flint]

they cant comprehend our usefulness to the team oh im sorry if my doing 4 things at once farming score and being useful upsets you

[limpid pond]

Yeah pretty much. I'll have the most revives resupplies and kills and they be like "why you so bad"

[kindred flint]

last couple days ive just been using sundance though... that fucking wingsuit man

[sour shadow]

Did your team lose?

[kindred flint]

so annoying

i try and jump out of a heli but the direction wasnt favorable to hit the top of the discarded ship then i managed to miss the back of the deck and landed on the ground

[limpid pond]

I feel like winning in 2042 is even worth it anymore. To many braindeads that camp and snipe the whole time. Literally shoots teamplay out the window

This new bf gonna be interesting

[next onyx]

I just play to farm.

[supple sequoia]

i swap between irish and rao now bc im bored

[limpid pond]

I play to farm now but use to try for the win

[kindred flint]

controlling the win or loss of a team in 2042 is quite hard..especially in 128p, if im at the top of the scoreboard the entire game and we lose, its not a me issue

[sour shadow]

Why don't you just get in a helicopter and blow them up?

[sour shadow]

It is if being at the top of the leaderboard is not the objective to win. haha

[next onyx]

Hey 333 hours.

[limpid pond]

That's not that easy lol. The ones camping are normally on your team

[sour shadow]

Not sure why I'd need to explain that.

[kindred flint]

what is bro on about

[supple sequoia]

please dont look at my hours…

[limpid pond]

Damn bro got the 5.99 kd. Sadly I was 60k kills in when I started Stat padding so I have a measly 2.4

I think I just broke like 850 or something

Lemme looks

[supple sequoia]

im at 538 already..

[limpid pond]

I'm at 810 hours

[supple sequoia]

OOF

[limpid pond]

Close to 100k kills. Tbh that's sad for how long I been playing

[kindred flint]

bucket master

[next onyx]

Games been out for 4 years it isn't difficult.

2042 is an easy game.

[timber marsh]

Currently playing hardcore if anyone wants to hop on

[next onyx]

Run VHX ( or pp29] with some cheesy gadget that gives you free kills (xm370, grappling, armour) and you've won the game lol.

[limpid pond]

Vhx is still the best even after nerf

[sour shadow]

Only 3

[timber marsh]

Run AK 5C

[next onyx]

Feels like 4.

[limpid pond]

Ak5c I feel is a controller gun

[next onyx]

Scar and the ak5c are really well balanced guns.

[pulsar plank]

what mode is best for gun kills in general (not like sniper)

for parts

[limpid pond]

Either tdm if you're good or bt

Yeah cqc isn't bad either

[supple sequoia]

pbx on top

[pulsar plank]

ak i hate the kick up 😦

[limpid pond]

Pbx is great but ac9 beats it's unless you're at range

[supple sequoia]

k30 too crazy for me

[limpid pond]

K30 is fun. I don't use it often even as a smg main

[supple sequoia]

yeah but its booty at mid range or longer i cant challenge);

[limpid pond]

Single tap it. It's pretty good if your burst or single tap

[supple sequoia]

pbx / pp29 i can at least challenge mid ranges ez

[limpid pond]

Pp29 is overall a ar in smg category

[supple sequoia]

fact

[limpid pond]

Scz 3 is a good mid range gun

I just did a video on it

Yeah it's been my kick recently

[supple sequoia]

i do, all, the fuckin, time. 😭

[limpid pond]

A good smg to use is the pp2k

Guns so good it's actually funny

[supple sequoia]

ive mastered all smgs except the pp2000

[limpid pond]

Great range tho

Pp2k is like 4 shot and 3 shot if you hit 1 head

Yeah I can agree with that. The fire rate makes it's a punishing guns if you miss alot

[supple sequoia]

i swap between the pbx/k30 for sweat lobbies/ and vhx when im just chilling

[limpid pond]

Yeah the pbx use t9 be my main gun I used. It's overall a great smg with moderate recoil great range the mags are good and you can just overall zap people with it

The 29 or 2k?

The 29 is like the gun of choice for shitty wannabe sweats

They tend to try and play mid range with paik or falck so I just pull the ac9 or scz

Maybe Europe servers are different

I probably get the cringe lords

Yeah it's hard to tell who the best is. All the leaderboard players farm bots

Like the top guy in kills has like 5 mill bot kills

Bro has like less than 40k human kills

Yet he's top of leaderboard

Probably pre end of 2042

Back before they nerfed his grapple

Yeah it's always hard to tell. Gotta see if it's ai lills

[chilly dove]

"best" players here in NA east generally run falck with a max damage simple loadout like SFAR or any good SMG. Sometimes SVK since that gun is ridiculous

[limpid pond]

I haven't met many good players that don't farm ai

[chilly dove]

but these "best"'s i speak of are almost always in VC groups and are just spam spawning or doing w/e they can to get as many kills as possible/pure aggression. I understand that gameplay but for me that got boring in like 2011 with the BF3

[supple sequoia]

svk players- please- i wanna use that gun so bad 😭 i think i truly suck with it and i wanna be like yall

[rocky gust]

isnt that the broken 2btk DMR

[next onyx]

K30 is kinda whatever.

[chilly dove]

yeah, the SVK it's so good heh

[next onyx]

I just run the PBX.

[supple sequoia]

anyone willimg to drop their svk attachments? i wanna start mastering dmrs but i suck with them

[rocky gust]

i remember when they fucked up the k30 recoil value so it just shot to the right

[chilly dove]

it's great to run it in high ammo mag mode for the 3 shot too, because better controllability/fire rate. and better at close range

[supple sequoia]

noted

[rocky gust]

eh when its 3 shot it kills the entire point of the gun

its the bang bang

[vital quail]

Just use standard extended

2 shot to 100m

[rocky gust]

and just wiping squads with one mag

[supple sequoia]

dominance idk

[rocky gust]

this game hates snipers so

i like that

[chilly dove]

12x, the non wrapped silencer, standard issue (15 rounds or something?). But you can go with the wrapped silencer for more damage instead of range

[vital quail]

I just use the red dot lol

[next onyx]

Pso 5x with standard extended and long barrel works.

In my experience long barrel is broken on it.

As in it doesn't actually affect the gun negatively.

[vital quail]

I'm not bothering with shooting anyone past 100m really and I'm close enough to my monitor that I can see with just minimal zoom

[chilly dove]

that's just what i run right now yeah. the 12x scope. The foregrip i use is the one that gives accuracy while moving. it's a vertical skeleton looking grip

yep, i use my SVK for killing everything. no one is too far for me

[vital quail]

I had a dude in my squad a few months back with cc ammo and the highest zoom scope on the m5

Was insane to see

[rocky gust]

fusion holo only. the tried and true method

[chilly dove]

there's a few SMG scopes that have magnification changes I run.

[rocky gust]

smgs are either thermal or fusion

nothing else for me

[chilly dove]

but i often find myself doing no vehicle, low death count challenges in cq 128, so i need to be able to engage targets at literally all ranges.

[rocky gust]

if i need more than that for an smg, i probably should close my distance

and 2042 players aren't exactly bright so its not hard

[chilly dove]

i'm that guy who, when bored, is rushing sites with SWS-10 silenced and picking guys off. 12x scope again lol

i do that too, it's just more fun to go for the headshots and do the 2 shot. my secondary on sws build is that magnum revolver

so if i don't get the headshot i swap quick. aim training is a vibe

on NTW i'm just going pure reaction time, a bit less aim to worry about. so it's a different kind of funny

you can't reliably land SWS-10 reaction headshots on targets that walk or run corners at mid and close range? play more counter-strike soldier.

that's a good start

[rocky gust]

i have played csgo since 2009 until 2020. i dont care for snipers though

[chilly dove]

the more you practice that you can start reactioning for the head.

but it feels so damn good to SWS-10 people nearly instantly

POW "you thought"

[rocky gust]

BF is fundamentally different from csgo from gunplay movement map design all that jazz

i have not seen anyone that do CQB sniping do good. not even mediocre

[chilly dove]

yeah it's definitely more wacky.

another important skill to learn if doing what i do is to quickly get out of harms way if things go south, aka when you miss. it's also a reaction time thing to jump into cover really fast

chamber new round, and give bro a new hole in face next time

when i'm lazy i just SVK. it's the same thing but with more shots

[rocky gust]

that works mostly with mediocre players and thats the issue for me

id rather use something im more confident with

precision rifling is not my thing except for bf1 really

well...

(m5 as well)

[chilly dove]

i think my super lazy gun is the G36 or w/e it's call in 2042 now

GEW-46?

a what now? i'm bout to boot game up. that gun is my baby

loading in

oh 8 gig update, i'll just check online store

[quartz wyvern]

sorry, new on this discord: Is there somewhere (don't see one in the channels) to check for other people wanting to squad up for 2042? Or just use the main #battlefield-2042 channel?

[chilly dove]

category called "looking for games" there's 4 channels, platform specific

[late creek]

9Gb update? Pog

they fixed the messed up ads zoom Pog

[chilly dove]

oh no more scoping in and having 50% chance no magnification on ads forcing you to have to re ads zoom? lol

"Scaled Sovereign"?

[pseudo path]

@quartz wyvern same

[glad estuary]

anyone else having problems with not being able to spawn in helicopters? it just spawns my camera underground

[chilly dove]

looks sort of like a PBX-45. Which isn't bad but not G36C enough

[waxen kettle]

I dont have issues spawning into the helicopters

[chilly dove]

I'd still go with carbon series or fleck on GEW-46. the tier 1 is too 2 tone

[boreal breach]

https://youtu.be/rpm6s_7vAX0?si=tLPo6u7A5QAq--1f hello, this is a bf2042 ps5 controller settings guide i made.. cool if it helps

[waxen kettle]

Look up battlefieldzip on you tube and watch my videos. i have a short where i fly under the map with the heli lol. please subscribe i just started making videos

[glad estuary]

must be a console problem then

[fervent flint]

its not

[waxen kettle]

might be

[fervent flint]

it happens 2 me

im pc

[waxen kettle]

i am on pc as well

[chilly dove]

i'll test it

[waxen kettle]

hmm might be the update???

[chilly dove]

which heli specifically, the attack one?

[next onyx]

If I'm gonna run a semi its gonna be the garand. It's a fun aggro semi.

[waxen kettle]

Thats a darn good question

Littlebird or the attack heli??

I had no issue in the attack heli

[quartz wyvern]

Are there actually any downsides on running around with a bipod out on SVK? Testing i can't tell any difference with it out/not out, other than the positive bonus when prone or using a ledge.

[chilly dove]

it just looks silly because you can toggle it to be folded up. if you're running around alot on SVK, better to use a good foregrip

[dusky wadi]

farts on your face cutely

:3 hiii I'm gonna hypnotise you

[limpid pond]

Yo get this degen out of chat bro

[frozen loom]

[potent remnant]

[next onyx]

What the fuck

[limpid pond]

Bros so fucking weird

And you know they're like blushing behind their screen tdyna be all cute

Way are you no longer mod?

[modest heath]

[next onyx]

Damn dude don't get offended when all they're doing is using the data to understand the demographic taking part of it.

[crude lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/max-design-pro-nugget-gegagedigedagedago-gegagedigedagedago-depression-sad-gif-13869896903787497582

[limpid pond]

Aw embed fail

Laugh at this dude

[crude lotus]

: (

[next onyx]

Since EA took over we were forced off. It was some weird legal shit.

[potent remnant]

[next onyx]

It's not even bad legal stuff its just annoying.

[limpid pond]

Bro that's majorly scuffed. Tf they force yall off for. Yes I know you can't say it but I mean it's stupid

[next onyx]

They didn't force us off because they wanted us off.

[potent remnant]

[next onyx]

That's all I can say.

[tall holly]

Well they probably want their own employees moderating here

[limpid pond]

Yeah no need to say more. I understand

[arctic grove]

@next onyx now there’s a name i havent seen in a while

[next onyx]

What's up?

[pine roost]

What’s it like being free from needing to sift through channels following this announcement

[arctic grove]

You still holding it down here, i am impressed lol good on you

[limpid pond]

Yo why does the dfr strifhe feel so inconsistent

It's like 1 second I'm beaming then the second the bloom.is all over the place

[chilly dove]

hind is fine, i'll try the other helis

[grim stratus]

What up brothas

[arctic grove]

Wait, EA is running this server now?

[frigid sand]

Solve the problem EA with the tank getting us killed when we are in prone position up on it. That is not normal. They cant shoot us there.

[acoustic seal]

yeah lol, if i was the mod team i'd have given up after 2042 too

[next onyx]

Yeah. I'm no longer a mod but I got into the creator network so that's nice. :)

[arctic grove]

Hey congrats on that

[next onyx]

Truth be told it wasn't the game but it was matter round just holding onto a server that wasn't really supported anymore.

[grim stratus]

That’s awesome dude, I’m about to make my first stream of battlefield tonight myself.

I just got it on my upgraded pc

[lilac dust]

That is a weird fuckin server icon lol

does the white just look weird or did they do something else to it that I can't put my finger on? lol

[chilly dove]

uhy venom is fine

[tranquil turtle]

might have changed the font

[lilac dust]

Yeah probably the font tbh

[pine roost]

They made it smaller

Comically small I feel

[lilac dust]

Yeah it's fuckin weird lol

They must have thought "small new beginnings" so let's make a small ass font

[pine roost]

Unless they do the SpongeBob thing and just make it super small then enlarge over time

[tranquil turtle]

that would actually be pretty funny

[lilac dust]

I'm pretty sure the only 2042 gameplay they showed in the labs trailer was of portal lmao everything else was other battlefield games

They already tryna hide 2042 under the rug

[tranquil turtle]

you can't blame them

[lilac dust]

It makes sense since they were just showing what players love I guess

[tranquil turtle]

if they want to go back to battlefield as everyone knew it before the mess that was the past 4 years then why would they show 2042

[viscid carbon]

why can i just not log in rn on pc

[pine roost]

The rpg animation looked identical, but it’s took early to critique that I feel

[lilac dust]

Nicki mi-what now?

[tranquil turtle]

I hope they go back to 5s engine as opposed to whatever 2042 used

[limpid pond]

I hope the game is good

But imma pre-order regardless

[chilly dove]

so far, transports have been fine. which heli?

[limpid pond]

Need bfv ledge roll back in the game though

[tranquil turtle]

2042's movement was fine, I'm just saying 5 looked better and had better destruction

[limpid pond]

Yeah but the roll was food

Good*

[chilly dove]

so far transports have been fine, which heli

[viscid carbon]

v was plenty fast lmao what

2042 is WAYYY too fast

[tranquil turtle]

v was so fast that I bound e to slide

[limpid pond]

Nah 2042 isn't to fast

[viscid carbon]

cope

[lilac dust]

I hope it sucks. I don't like when games are fun cos then I enjoy myself and then that makes me happy.

[limpid pond]

It's not cope lmao saying it's fast is cope just get better

[viscid carbon]

i know for a fact im better than u are

[glad estuary]

steath

[acoustic seal]

i couldn't even tell you what 2042 plays like with how god awful the maps are

[limpid pond]

I know for a fact you aren't

[hushed lark]

ah, I forgot that the better you are the more right you are about game balance

[viscid carbon]

the game is faster LOLLL

[limpid pond]

Nah Jake's a bot

[viscid carbon]

its literally faster than any other bf game

[limpid pond]

Brother is not good

[glad estuary]

the lab map is impossible

[viscid carbon]

and faster than a majority of cods

[sly cove]

Bring Damavand Peak Back

[limpid pond]

Oh yeah faster than a majority of cods bros smoking the 36 pack

Jake's smoking olddocks instead of newports

[viscid carbon]

if u are moving slow in 2042 u are genuinely a fool

[glad estuary]

no...

[tranquil turtle]

or tehran highway, or firestorm, or even bandar desert

[limpid pond]

No one's moving slow in 2042. Lmao the games just not to fast

[tranquil turtle]

3 had some goated maps

[glad estuary]

rat map

[limpid pond]

To fast is that cringe combat master

Fr 2042 is just a mid tier movement game

[viscid carbon]

no one said the movement is good lmfao

[limpid pond]

Bros gotta be a rage batter

[viscid carbon]

its just too fast for the lack of skill expression

batter

i know youre 13 LOL

[limpid pond]

I'm not but that's on you big dawg

[viscid carbon]

no im not LMFAO

[limpid pond]

100%

[sly cove]

https://tenor.com/view/stressed-family-guy-stewie-sad-i-hate-when-mum-and-dad-fight-gif-15864793

[brittle wind]

BFV was slower but had higher skill gap in movement imo

Spam slide and lean left and right

You can also control your slide

Legit can turn 360

[lilac dust]

Knowing how Vince zampella rolls, I would bet it was his idea to drop some teaser gameplay out of the blue like this cos he knew it would be 1000 times better received than dropping another CGI trailer which would've probably became the most disliked video since infinite warfare

[brittle wind]

2042 didn't impressed me after V

It's very basic

In terms of movement

You do that in 2042 and V

V has lot more going on though

[acoustic seal]

the slow part of 2042 is trying to decide whether to cross vast empty open field A or coverless empty corridor B

[limpid pond]

Which is why instead of new maps we got remakes

[steel root]

EW THIS GAME?

[naive ember]

Game is wavy bud

[steel root]

??? Huh

I was just talking about 2042😭 I cannot

[acoustic seal]

i wouldn't call it particularly fast, the maps were smaller and the movement was tighter which were both good

lots of sludge in 2042

[rocky gust]

Bf4 air strafes op locker lvl140 aek coyote stubby

[brittle wind]

2042 had momentum unlike V though, V with momentum would be goated

[rocky gust]

Stuff of nightmares

[tardy nexus]

The only momentum 2042 had was the plummeting to the ground since launch when the reality hit all the players that it has nothing to do with the "love letter to fans" buzzword they were slapping around then

[acoustic seal]

yeah the accel/decel is why it felt like wading through swamp water

[trail swallow]

I do miss some of the silly shit from day1. Like the 50mm on the jeep was HILARIOUS

[brittle wind]

I'm talking about movement

Infantry movement

You can use Mackay grapple to give yourself a nice boost while bhopping

BFV's slides were static and not based on momentum, V's movement with momentum based slides would be amazing

[chilly dove]

ok, checking stealth next. it's not attack heli

[tardy nexus]

Sheer fact that that mechanic was put into Battlefield is the issue mate.

[brittle wind]

Have you ever heard of Hardline?

[tardy nexus]

Have you ever heard of CoD? Cause it looks like you wanna play it but have it named Battlefield tbh 😄 Also Hardline is not a great example of succesfully BF game in any category xD

[chilly dove]

just spawned in stealth. seems to be fine. both seats

[brittle wind]

I haven't played it but most people who did likes it, it's basically BF4 with cops and robbers skin

[viscid carbon]

disliked by non bf fans

mostly loved by bf fans from what i know

[chilly dove]

conquest 128 flashpoint rn

[glad estuary]

guess it's just my game

[chilly dove]

if it happens every single time, something must be bugged, which is sadly common for this game

[tardy nexus]

I played it in beta and after launch, cool idea but didint get too much traction. It was a castrated version of BF, cool spinoff but nothing more tbh

[chilly dove]

drivers, game update/reinstall usually fixes

[glad estuary]

it does happen every time sooo now I can't use that helicopter

[chilly dove]

damn sorry man, have you tried reinstalling the game?

i also checked gunner seat

[glad estuary]

yup

I'm trying to grind the Done plane thing and it's painful

the emp is useless

and the guns are weak...

[chilly dove]

the main gun in the dron is ridiculous, don't worry

just shoot idling aircraft or campers

[calm moat]

You can get kills towards unlocks against bots in single-player

[glad estuary]

I play co-op because if I try to play with actual people I will get shot outa spawn instantly

[chilly dove]

that too

[glad estuary]

the thing is too fast so I can't do gun runs

[chilly dove]

that's why i said aircraft yeah. it's best played like a jet

[calm moat]

Ahhh, that's fair. You could always party up against AI too if you have someone

[glad estuary]

whenever I bring it out the ai never spawns Jets

it's like the warthunder phenomenon

[chilly dove]

hmm that's weird.

it's almost as if bots are fuckin stupid lol

and a pain in the ass to make use of

[glad estuary]

although they will hit you outa the air at 500m with the M5 launcher

[chilly dove]

lol right?

[tranquil spear]

Hire the team behind Battlebit and give them people
(why do you need to burn money on 4 studios)
https://joinbattlebit.com/

[glad estuary]

real

[chilly dove]

but don't give up on just spawning in that drone in multiplayer. i'm sure i ruined some heli sweats night tonight

cuz i took the helis and played terribly while alt tabbed lol

[limpid pond]

Battle bit was also a low res polygon game. Polygon games are pumped out

[acoustic seal]

the battlebit devs had no clue what they were doing with the gameplay, there was no reason to have such free movement and vaulting and then grind it to a halt with bandaging

[limpid pond]

Imma actually play bf 4 rn cause why tf not

[acoustic seal]

iirc they refused to add shotguns though which is based beyond belief

[chilly dove]

lmao so true

[viscid carbon]

theyve been working on an overhaul for the better part of a year iirc

such a small team stuff like that takes forever

[chilly dove]

honestly it's just one of those overly picky battlefield 4 admins who saw they could make a game using the roblox / minecraft engine or w/e.

[viscid carbon]

ehhh

[limpid pond]

Yeah 2042 had a skeleton crew for 90% of it's lifecycle

[viscid carbon]

it was a pretty obvious passion project lol they just are a small team of dudes who hadnt made much before that

[chilly dove]

good for them regardless, but it wasn't my thing

that said, dice/ea kind of have no excuse making games so poor at launch

[viscid carbon]

was super fun on release

voip was sooo fun to mess with

[severe plaza]

I preordered 2042 ultimate edition - worst mistake ever

[chilly dove]

call of duty just reskins and repackages their old games and no one seems to care (until later on when all the problems are exposed lol)

[tranquil spear]

when was the last good game? BF4,
just hire the team behind Battlebit and give them people
(why do you need to burn money on 4 studios)

[vernal perch]

2042 hurt

[chilly dove]

what they really need to do is just fix 2042 behind closed doors and reskin it in a new setting and call it a new game. because looking at that gameplay snippet, it didn't look much more high fidelity than 2042's promotional gameplay footage during new seasons

instead of making a new engine again and ruining everything again

[dry flax]

Because EA fired BF3 & BF4 Devs and some quit, as well as the Chief Designer of BF4. Because EA was pushing for the release of 2042 quicker then what the devs were capable. I have a feeling 6 will go down the same path, because of the release of GTA6, Metal Gear Solid, Borderlands 4, Killing Floor 3 and other Triple A Studios this year.

[severe plaza]

Honestly looks like all BF games put together in one lol

[dry flax]

Basically like a title version of Portal.

[chilly dove]

basically looked like a slightly more polished version of BF3 in portal

[severe plaza]

yeah

[viscid carbon]

their gameplay trailers are always so fake 😭

[dry flax]

You just now noticed?

[viscid carbon]

i just said always

??

[dry flax]

Ah, my bad.

[chilly dove]

it was definitely engine footage but, those scenarios haha

[acoustic seal]

3 minute trailer, 5 seconds of "gameplay" (bot walking and hipfiring at nothing)

same story every time

[dry flax]

They use unreal engine 5 like no tomorrow for scenario scenes rather than in-game footage. 🤦‍♂️

[chilly dove]

1. no hud, 2) the player perspective always has infinite HP as to the squad mates. 3) the squad mates will be seemingly full auto engaging targets that are putting up a good fight and not dying. 4) all ragdoll/death animations play out suspiciously perfectly.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[next onyx]

Literally pre release footage. They don't have much to share.

[chilly dove]

5. everything explodes right around camera perspective

[next onyx]

Everyone's holding m16's (or m4's some kind of AR10 fuckery) meaning really they were the most complete thing at the time.

[chilly dove]

^

all squad mates are right there infront of you, in camera view lmao

[viscid carbon]

please some modern shooter start using the spear 🙏

[acoustic seal]

the 2042 m5a3 in question:

[dry flax]

They probably will, but will rename it due to licensing issues & the Spear under active military contract.

[viscid carbon]

hope so

[next onyx]

There's nothing offensive about what they showed off lmao

[viscid carbon]

its just a nothing burger

[chilly dove]

i know it's just funny because it was so perfect-ish

[dry flax]

Any firearm under Active Military Contracts has to change the names otherwise the game will be shutdown by the State Department.

[viscid carbon]

just make ur game in russia lol

tarkov making the spear and not caring at all lol

[next onyx]

That's tarkov.

[dry flax]

DayZ tried to repeat that, but the Devs got screwed by Russian Gov.

[next onyx]

Wait the hell?

[dry flax]

Yes

[next onyx]

I'm not surprised.

But holy shit.

[lyric lantern]

so... trying to upload a clip, read the server info, wants me to read the pin message, but there is nothing there

[dry flax]

Because it's under active service.

[chilly dove]

yeah the united states will do w/e to make a buck w/e. did you just photograph that city downtown skyline for your game?? you pay now!

[dry flax]

It's why the State Department hammered War Thunder due to the leaks that British & American players were doing.

[next onyx]

There's also the part that gun manufacturers get anal with you using their names in a game but that's something in itself.

That's actually crazy.

[dry flax]

Yup

[chilly dove]

that's messed yeah

[next onyx]

I don't actually blame them.

[acoustic seal]

oh this was because remington settled in the sandy hook lawsuit, otherwise gun manufacturers would still be all over this

[tranquil spear]

So watching "Labs video" just tell me they have no idea,
and I know the cod/titanfall guy is working on it.
but saying we're gonna test stuff! and do big things is not convincing me

[dry flax]

And Triple A Studios cannot stand with the heat of a Gun Manufacturer that has approval and current active contracts with the U.S.G. and has the backing of Federal Lawyers.

[next onyx]

I think COD got away with adding the jeep to their games or something?

[tranquil spear]

Jeep vs jeep
for the trademark

[next onyx]

More specifically the American jeep.

I forgot its name but I hope it's understood what I'm on about.

[chilly dove]

how to escape from tarkov: step 1) uninstall the game. step 2) enjoy life

[dry flax]

Just changing the way things look, is okay. But having a name and exact specs of what the firearms use will be bad.

[next onyx]

I thought that part was due to california.

[dry flax]

That's why the FBI raided that one dude that leaked the specs and documents of I want to say the F-35 or some jet variant to War Thunder. 🤣 fuckin moron.

[next onyx]

OH I'm thinking of the humvee lawsuit.

[bleak stump]

Truth nuke

[acoustic seal]

war thunder had to clamp down on this due to export laws and generally just not wanting to deal with government leaks on a day to day basis

[next onyx]

To be fair. You can't blame them.

[dry flax]

Well, U.S.G. could literally shut the game off like nothing if the leaks continued.

[next onyx]

I've liked how battlefield have creatively changed some of the names around.

L9CZ being literally Laugo 9mm Czech.

[acoustic seal]

you can't name a video game gun after the real thing because of remington folding during the sandy hook lawsuit, which claimed they were indoctrinating kids into becoming school shooters or some other silly shit

[viscid carbon]

M5A3 LOL

[next onyx]

Oh that was a completely different thing in that case ahaha

Cause round the launch of 2042 it was known as the Xm5.

But because copyright they had to do Xm7.

Battlefield just kept with m5a3 which I think is still cool.

[dry flax]

I'm just suprised BF4 had Reactive Armor because there is a real life variant on the current modern Abrams.

[next onyx]

Ehhh it's a playground so anything can happen.

[chilly dove]

"F-15 doesn't have a very interesting pilot's seat or bubble canopy"... wait for someone to respond on war thunder forums with all the top secret documents about F-15

[next onyx]

I think he means something more.

[dry flax]

Ehh, not really.

[next onyx]

Electric armour the fuck.

[dry flax]

It's not as "common" as some think.

[cinder aspen]

Reactive armor isnt really used on American tanks that much, unlike Russian or eastern armies.

TUSK = Tank Urban Survival Kit

its really heavy and its hard to get access to the tracks when you cant lift the skirts

[next onyx]

Still didn't need to insult him.

[chilly dove]

yeah no need to get personal

[next onyx]

Won't lie when I was reading that it added 10 to 20 tonnes my mind just lost the plot and immediately thought "It's like adding armour to a mech on mechwarrior!"

[dry flax]

U.S. had to explore it more, because during GWOT we were getting nailed by EFPs.

[chilly dove]

haven't played any mech warriro games in a bajillion years. how's it doing?

[cinder aspen]

it would be kind of cool if ERA damaged was properly modeled like they do in Arma 3 with the CUP addon

[next onyx]

It's doing alright. Clans just came out.

If you want a story based mechwarrior it's really good.

Mercs is good for modded stuff.

I stole a mad cat mark IV a hundred years before it's supposed to appear so you know.

[chilly dove]

ah I see harmony gold is still suing anyone who dares make anything resembling a bipedal mech because they're jerk offs lol

i wouldn't be surprised if they went after titan fall

[next onyx]

They've been told to fuck off recently so that's good.

[chilly dove]

oh good

[dry flax]

Explosively Formed Penetrator, basically a bunch of copper that gets sent at mach jesus that's at the end of a explosive charges that melts through armor like a rod and explodes inside the tank. This was first used during WWII.

[next onyx]

The new art style for battletech is good.

Too bad about the classic warhammer though.

[limpid pond]

Nevermind can't play bf4 punk buster kicks me every game

[chilly dove]

the robotech/harmony gold people simply decided to choose violence over a happy sharing of their IP. they would've made more money but i guess it's easy to be talentless losers in suits to finger point and complain

[dry flax]

During GWOT, it was more effective then a I.E.D. all it had to do was be thrown, and it touched the armor it would destroy the inside of cabs. So we really didn't focus on Reactive Armor as much till the GWOT, OIF/OEF.

[limpid pond]

Yeah I tried. Idk even what punkbuster is. Idk if it's their anti cheat or what it is but it let's me play 5 minutes then boots me

I don't have hacks.

[dry flax]

Meh, I don't really care. Being a truck driver, I really don't give a fuck about what people say. It's part of the job lol.

[viscid carbon]

you have to manually install pb and set it up for bf4

[limpid pond]

I was only like 5 and 2

[chilly dove]

i got false banwaved in the last one on BF3 in 2018. EA / EB (punkbuster) covered it up for years. was finally exposed that if you joined a modded server in bf3, even if you didn't know it was modded (since it was on the master list ), it could vary/alter your player stats, which punkbuster detected. and then they just went ahead and mass banned people instead of realising it was a server

[next onyx]

That's sad.

Like good for you but it's sad.

[limpid pond]

Yeah it just kept kicking me. First time I ever downloaded bf4 on pc

[viscid carbon]

just google the issue lol its common and easy to fix

[dry flax]

Do you have a account with Fair Fight?

[fallow nova]

2042 worst BF everrrer

[limpid pond]

No it's not

[fallow nova]

Garbage

Trash

[limpid pond]

You're garbage

[fallow nova]

The cop one was the best one ever

[next onyx]

Hardline was great.

[echo bay]

Hardline was great

[fallow nova]

You're cute

[limpid pond]

Yeah that's explains it

[dry flax]

Eh, I enjoy it. I'm not stuck behind a desk all day, and make close to 100k a year. So I can't complain.

[next onyx]

fucking

[viscid carbon]

2042 definitely is the worst bf game yet

its not awful nowadays

[next onyx]

Did we send that at the same time

[limpid pond]

If you're a guy that's weird 8f you're a girl then thank you

[viscid carbon]

but in comparison its the worst

[dry flax]

@limpid pond try to get setup on Fair Fight. Because P.C. BF4 uses Fair Fight as a anti cheat program.

[next onyx]

That's good at least.

[acoustic seal]

yeah 2042 dethroned bfv as "worst in the franchise", the b2b is crazy and i cant wait for dice to go b3b

[limpid pond]

Nah I deleted it. It's in the past time to move on

[fallow nova]

Sorry 2042 is the worst all you get is people laying on there dicks with a LMG Sentry gun & ranger all camped together lmao

[limpid pond]

The game was on sale for 1.99 anyways so no loss

[dry flax]

It is unfortunately. 🤣

[viscid carbon]

just google the punkbuster thing LOL its so simple to fix to play the most fun bf

[limpid pond]

Facts

[fallow nova]

Skill issue?? Little hard when you getting blasted like a NYC whore before you even get a chance to blink 😂

[limpid pond]

Eh I'm over ot already

[fallow nova]

Also not on PC which they get the advantage alwayssss

[limpid pond]

Dang blud pulling the whole arsenal out with this one. Bros mad mad

[acoustic seal]

i would say "crossplay moment" but i know for a fact that people are doing this in bf1 right now

[limpid pond]

Oh yeah massive skill issue

[viscid carbon]

2042 is 100% the worst regardless of his low skill

[naive ember]

Must be fun for you bud

[chilly dove]

people being self aware and not choosing negativity, even on the internet, has it's small benefits though. better to option select [x] not jerk behaviour instead of [ ] jerk behaviour. we all make mistakes and never too late to learn from it

[fallow nova]

Lmao I never knew I could butt hurt so many people so quickly 😂

[limpid pond]

I don't think anyone's butt hurt

Just skill issue is all brother

[unborn igloo]

This game is death!!!
New battlefield in coming!!

This game is death!!!
New battlefield in coming!!

[limpid pond]

Tbh cod is always a great alternative

[fallow nova]

Sound a little bit like it.

[acoustic seal]

it's fine, it's way slowed down and it has the decade old game problem of only the most stuck in the past weirdos still playing

[limpid pond]

Skill issue big dawg

[fallow nova]

Cod is THE worst.

[limpid pond]

Alright roblox it is for you

[fallow nova]

Roblox takes too much skill

[limpid pond]

They got some.battlefield clones on roblow

[chilly dove]

audi's will never be mercedes benz's. they should uninstall for the car market, noob manufacturer. can't even @ BMW right

[fallow nova]

I play solitaire

[limpid pond]

Solitare is a L. Play chess scrub

[fallow nova]

I play chess too it's quite relaxing

[limpid pond]

Dare I ask what's dress to impress

[limpid pond]

Yes it is.

I have a BMW

Aw no brother not the egirls

[fallow nova]

Alright I was just messing with y'all, 2042 is a shit game but just because others like it doesn't mean anything BF4 and BF1 are my personal favorite.

[limpid pond]

Yeah understandable

Reasonable crashout

[fallow nova]

I dislike they stepped back from the cinema aspect of what battlefield stood for in 2042

[limpid pond]

Rip

Incoming ban

[chilly dove]

bmw makes the best cars ever bro, all other cars are garbage, especially audi's (i'm poking fun at random car manufacturer to troll that guy)

[limpid pond]

Cause bro only eats vegetablessssssssssss

[acoustic seal]

i think the concerning part should be that they took a step back from making a playable game at all but eh whatever

[limpid pond]

Toyota

[kindred flint]

lmao first time trying to play today..spearhead... couple mins into the match i join, 34-0 dude named buff the hind as a gunner yeah no thanks ill get another lobby dont need multiple heli sweats ruining my time

[limpid pond]

Bro I got a 2023 corolla that things gets 36 mpg

[fallow nova]

VW/Audi same thingggg engineering is great electrical..... Skeptical

[viscid carbon]

my toyota camry will never die

[limpid pond]

Facts tho. Corolla still my go to car 430 total miles per fill up. I get 36 mpg and I can drive in the fast lane😎

I got the corolla LE😎 my car got a abbreviation at the end of it

Nah but all jokes aside its reliable asf tho

[fallow nova]

Toyotas and Hondas are some of the most reliable

[limpid pond]

Alright imma play bug game with capes now

[fallow nova]

Some of the cheapest to maintain

[limpid pond]

Facts

[limpid pond]

They really are.

Bmac stop typing

[fallow nova]

I drive a VW and a Audi. And luckily I do most of the work myself it when I can't I cry

[kindred flint]

yeah not worth playing this game right now fucking random cliff side camper on exposure that fucking throwing knife kills me as im shooting into the C cap area

[fallow nova]

Sgt?

[limpid pond]

Yeah same her. I change my brakes, and oil, had to change granny fluid the other day cause I hot 100k miles on it

[fallow nova]

Just had the water pump take a shit in my Audi, decided I didn't feel like doing it in the freezing cold..... Water pump new supercharger pulley and belt new serp belt tensioners..... 2.7k later.

[rustic current]

Anyone having issues getting into a game

[fallow nova]

Nein

[rustic current]

I keep getting the unable to load persistence data pop up

[rain copper]

Just make the game real as can be

[tired saddle]

idk if anyone else knows this but if you already have a playtest acc, look up "ea playtest portal" and you can skip the queue lol i just did it

[viscid carbon]

BLESS U

[chilly dove]

i have one and it's not letting me /=

[viscid carbon]

u gotta kinda do it weird

click top left and do that sign in button

not the normal log in one

[chilly dove]

oh

[viscid carbon]

or top right

i forgot LOL

[chilly dove]

lol i was gonna say

[chilly dove]

UR BASED

[viscid carbon]

i got u...

i love battlefield as much as i despise 2042 at the start i just want this game to succeed 💔

pls give me modern bfv

i love that games gunplay

so satisfying

[mental cave]

whats modern combat to you?

[next onyx]

I wonder how many times I can finish infernum before an official announcement.

[rose coral]

I second this question.. since the teaser we got looked to be in the BF3/4 timeframe/aesthetic

[brittle wind]

He meant BFV gameplay with modern setting

That's what I want too

Not entirely but mostly

[lament karma]

i like how guns feel in BF4 (except the hitreg)

[rose coral]

Ah, I missed that! Thanks for the clarafication

[mental cave]

I understood that part but Im asking what is modern to them? cus some people say they want modern but they mean pre drone warfare

[inner spade]

that new trailer gave me too much hope people, fearing i’ll be let down again

[abstract night]

It was like 3 seconds of gameplay footage tho

[inner spade]

but that 3 seconds was fire

[abstract night]

True

I mean I guess it looks cool

[inner spade]

obviously we don’t know enough yet so can’t really form an opinion but based off what we see so far it looks good

[abstract night]

We know it’s not going to have any eye sore skins (for now), destruction is back, hopefully good weapon customization

[little vine]

Watch my Communist Spartacus League Germany gameplay!

https://youtu.be/Q3sXG6V69z0

[vital quail]

No

[abstract night]

I really just want battlefield to go all in on their own gunsmith

[inner spade]

i just want a battlefield that combines the setting and gunplay and customizing of bf3 and 4 but the vibe and atmosphere and grittiness of bf1

[brittle wind]

I hope they will bring back plus system just to not have gunsmith

I didn't see 253260 attachment slots on M4A1 which looks good

[abstract night]

I don’t absolutely hate plus system but I just don’t think it’s a good balancing thing

I personally think players should think about how they’ll play before they spawn in. If they really want to change weapons they can pick them up from dead players

[brittle wind]

I don't think so when a single suppressor gives you +100ms TTK

I think you should be able to switch them on the fly

[abstract night]

Circumventing reasonable attachment balancing decisions with a quick swap button is not good balance

[mental cave]

Been awhile, I don’t think they’re going to slow down the game’s pace to bf3. Its been fast since after bf4

[abstract night]

Again I believe players should consider their weapons weaknesses and strengths and how they’ll play before they spawn in, but that’s just me

I don’t think it’ll come back anyways just cause dice is going ‘back to basics’ if you wanna call it that

[brittle wind]

Back to the basics doesn't mean they will ignore every positive aspect of newer games

I think plus system is fine, I can do fine without it existing too but I definitely don't want a gunsmithing like DF or CoD I think they are ridiculous

Give me 4 attachment slots and 30-40 attachments, and I'm fine with that

[abstract night]

They don’t exactly have a good track record with continuing the games achievements into the next ones

[abstract night]

I mean that’s pretty much what I want as well

Maybe I’m misunderstanding you here but that’s basically what gunsmith is lol just several attachment slots with a lot of variety in the cosmetics of sights, grips etc

[chilly dove]

I'm finally signed up. all survey's done. thank you again

to celebrate this grand achievement, i will now be voluntarily ejecting the grey matter of unsuspecting people in conquest 128 using DMRs and sniper rifles

[abstract night]

I don’t see any reason for BF not to expand its weapon customization. I can give them a break for 1 and V for being old era games. The last modern BF worth mentioning was 4 in 2013, when CoD and Battlefield both played with pick 2/10 (engine limits, different player expectations) and now CoD and many other games have a gunsmith

[brittle wind]

I dislike CoD style gunsmithing, you can change barrels, stocks, grips etc. I don't think they should be changeable. I want a compensator, a scope, a grip and maybe a laser sight. I don't want 10 stocks, 10 grips, 10 barrels for the same gun.

[chilly dove]

i'm gonna side with more customization as long as we still have a large selection of weapons

[brittle wind]

It makes guns less unique, every SMG in BO6 feels the same, what's the point of weapons like PP29 when every SMG can have 50 round drum mags?

[chilly dove]

no one is forcing anyone to have to change parts of their gun they don't want to change

and guns can still have variations even when you try to make them as similar as possible. this is evident even in 2042

[brittle wind]

Every gun in BFV feels unique due to limitations. Selbstlader 1906 for example has high recoil and slow rate of fire, but comes with 26 rounds mag, no other DMR has 26 round mag which makes it unique compared to others.

You can spam to no ends

[brisk robin]

Hello

[brittle wind]

While in BO6 every SMG has 50 round drum mags, every SMG has high fire rate mod, every SMG has long barrel attachment. People just take the lowest TTK gun and make it a laserbeam. Extremely boring.

[chilly dove]

people were doing this in 2042 though. alot of the assault rifles. VHX-D3 comes to mind, previously RM-68

[brittle wind]

It's not reality, 90% of the weapons don't have interchangable parts in real life, also BF games don't use stutter engine 5, they are using frostbite

[brittle wind]

RMs highest mag size is 30, VHX' is 40

Not 50 round drum mags

If you want that you can use AK24 or AM40(I think AM's drum mag is 40 rounds though)

[chilly dove]

but then there other weapons that aren't just purely "the most effective weapon for this gametype". challenging, satisfying to use

if we all went by stats only then everyone would be using like 1 or 2 guns only per category. people still pick other stuff

[brittle wind]

People do that in CoD because they want dark matter, otherwise everyone would be using XM4 and Jackal

With no variation

[chilly dove]

i don't know anything about modern cod. what is dark matter? we binding galaxies? lol

you're speaking in tongues to me

[vital quail]

It's a camo for guns

[chilly dove]

that's like if i were to join a cod discord and be like "GEW-46 best rifle meta for sundance!!!"and they just look at me funny

[brittle wind]

People use different weapons in CoD due to skin grind, not because they like those different weapons(maybe some of them do), this is why I hate gunsmithing, you can make S tier weapons into SSS tier and some others won't be able to reach that

[chilly dove]

so it's got some sort of further grind that affects the gameplay/balancing the game?

[brittle wind]

Nah, I mean people would use same 2 weapons in the game if not for the skin grind, in order to get dark matter you need to get gold for all the weapons

[chilly dove]

hmm well that seems more like an issue with the balancing in cod. there's alot of very viable stuff in bf games, 2042 included. but we had our ridiculous moments

we didn't forget what you did devs... and how long it takes you all to nerf your mistakes (STOP DOING THIS)

i still also remember the nasty people trying to keep ridiculously op stuff OP

spineless twats

[brittle wind]

2042 has viable stuff because every gun has 4 attachments, or 3 for some others

Imagine rapid fire SFAR, game would be unplayable without it

[chilly dove]

i think it really comes down to the balancing tbh.

[brittle wind]

Or imagine laserbeam VHX with no recoil

Gunsmithing creates that balancing issue

Since you have 300 attachments and 10 attachment slots

You can just remove all negatives

[chilly dove]

not when the gunsmithing isn't hyper variable, that's part of balancing, trust. dice was busy making sure it wasn't possible to break the meta with customization. it's not an inherent customization issue, it's a game specific balancing / oversight issue

[brittle wind]

It's an inherent customization issue

[chilly dove]

you create variable spaces and allow people to tailor stuff within it, just not allowing them to go so overboard that we get VHX-D3 debacle all over again

i sort of see what you're trying to say a bit, but i also think you're purely speaking from a standpoint of "best posisble setup only" again

[brittle wind]

It's still a customization issue dude

[chilly dove]

so you're saying weapons aren't allowed to be similar before or after customization?

[brittle wind]

Everyone uses that, look at E____s, his most watched Delta Force videos are gun guides, everyone still asks him his weapon codes for no recoil weapons

[chilly dove]

like cosmetics also do matter

[brittle wind]

Weapons shouldn't be similar in their base stats and customization shouldn't be able to offset all their negatives into positives

[chilly dove]

and people do have specific playstyle. streamers are popular people by nature, it's w/e. they don't arbitrate

[brittle wind]

If I'm using a K30 with high RPM and high recoil it should stay that way, I shouldn't be able to turn it into a laserbeam with no recoil

[chilly dove]

there's definitely variable metas. high damage, difficult recoil, forcing a different playstyle/focus when using said weapon for example

[brittle wind]

Yes

[chilly dove]

super quiet builds

[echo yew]

Gunsmith is good

[brittle wind]

Gunsmithing inherently interrupts that balance

[chilly dove]

yeah

[brittle wind]

MW19 had 2 meta weapons and everything else was so bad for example due to the way you can customize them, remember that in gunsmithing base weapons are extremely bad because they want you to use all the attachments

[chilly dove]

even turning rifles into makeshift dmrs. or boosting rate of fire on slow firing weapons. whether for a specific concept or just good old fun, customization allows this

[echo yew]

Gunsmithing doesn’t interrupt balance, multiple games get away with it, it’s simple pvp videogame weapon balance

[chilly dove]

yeah

[brittle wind]

BO2 has better balance than BO6 or MW19 or MWII

[echo yew]

MW2 has most weapons as viable with the exception of maybe 4

[brittle wind]

But muh pick 10 is outdated

[golden garnet]

are these games in the room with us rn?

[brittle wind]

As if games age lmao

[echo yew]

Warzone 1 had like 9 guns in the meta

Fucking mw3 had a bunch of options to pick from

[chilly dove]

and yeah i've made weapons that have essentially clonestats despite being in 2 different categories, or in the same category. it's not a waste. it's just an interesting flavour visual nuance for those specific builds.

[echo yew]

No need for 700 attatchments sure

[brittle wind]

Compare that to any BF, including 2042, BF simply has more viable weapons because every weapon has base negatives and positives to them

And you can't go crazy with gunsmithing

[echo yew]

2042 has decent-ish gun customization

[brittle wind]

Which creates that balance

[echo yew]

ideally it would be good to separate barrel and muzzle

and laser with underbarrel

[brittle wind]

You shouldn't be able to change barrels imo

Barrels should be static for every gun

[chilly dove]

also as big as some streamer dude may be or w/e, it's the real geeks in the community who spend time doing the weapon testing and make those super detailed guide sites. 2 things become apparent from that: that the games often have alot more complex or hidden stats than what sometimes looks simple upfront, and that obviously the devs do put more work into the weapon variance and balancing than we often give them credit for.

there may be those fine little details, and that might make a certain weapon compliment one person's style of play over another.

these are like, competive /professional level gamer discussions tbh, when you start getting that details. which is funny because atleast bf hasn't really helped the competitve sphere much lately

[brittle wind]

I had that experience in BFV, everyone was recommending Turner SMLE due to 20 round mag and it's spammy nature but I had more success with MAS44(which is like Turner but has far less recoil and no 20 round mag)

[chilly dove]

and i know cod tries to push it's competitive side, but i never think they did a good job

[drowsy rose]

Arisaka. Bayonet

[brittle wind]

If BFV had gunsmithing I would've created no recoil Turner builds

MAS44 would be useless

[drowsy rose]

Im more upset we dont have more bayonets weapons TBH

LIke come on, all these dudes got issued bayonets

[chilly dove]

it happened in 2042 as well. due to the SVK being tougher to recoil control for a while people were like "here's a laser setup for the DM7". once the recoil issues were fixed and wuss ass streams got skill issue checked, SVK became king, G428 became viable, and even SVD and M39 were good options. DM7 is still a very accurate option to. and BSV-M could easily be in 2 other categories but just so happens to be in the DMR one.

[vital quail]

The svd and m39 suffer from the terrible portal recoil

Same with garand

[chilly dove]

DM7 G428 can make like the exact same stats for their setups as well. the only difference would be that one is fully auto and other is semi

[vital quail]

I would like the g428 much more if they actually put good sights on it

[brittle wind]

G428 has far better damage model and TTK

Than DM7

DM7 is completely useless

[kindred flint]

using single fire over full auto

no one would be so dumb

[brittle wind]

Single fire is better though

For G428

[kindred flint]

im old

[chilly dove]

for controlled bursts at long range? lol

[brittle wind]

No it has better TTK

And recoil is more managable

[chilly dove]

oh i meant about the single over full comment

[brittle wind]

Some weapons has better single fire TTK than full auto TTK

[chilly dove]

yeah

and also general controllability/recoil for certain weapons

[brittle wind]

Yeah

NVK has burst for example but it's far worse TTK-wise than single fire

[chilly dove]

plus it's just not hard to click spam any weapon so fast it would be full auto

or some form of a fully automatic fire-rate

there were bugs with that specifically that dice finally fixed. the p90 comes to mind

[chilly dove]

is that because the damage changes or is the DPS just higher in high speed single fire?

[brittle wind]

You can spam single fire faster

[chilly dove]

right on

i'm glad it's not a random damage change lol... but also, it shouldn't be that way should it

[brittle wind]

Delay between bursts is slow that's why single fire has better TTK at least for NVK

[chilly dove]

burst damage should be higher than regular for total dps due to how we would assume it works

[brittle wind]

Some weapons are just bugged though

[chilly dove]

i understand that is why it is slower, i just think they need to fix that yeah

[brittle wind]

Maybe they should, but I doubt they will fix them, SVK or SWS still has bugged barrels since launch lol

[chilly dove]

reminds me of the famashottgun trick from counter-strike. where if you held down the firemode selector while shooting, you got a 4 shot burst instead of 3. worked with the glock too lol

[golden hornet]

Are they going to keep 2042 as a live server?

[chilly dove]

i wonder if they ever fixed the ghost knife glitch in cs: if you knife a surface, you can switch to a gun before the animation and hurtbox animation is played at that location. then switching back to knife where ever you were, the hurtbox damage would play at that spot. i think it even worked between rounds so you could knife people in their spawn during buy phase if placed right lmao

[stuck kestrel]

2042 doo doo

[teal hornet]

Any one know how to play like only battlefield 3 games?

[vital quail]

Portal

[teal hornet]

Yeah but like even in portal I can’t find the bf3 only games

[wispy rampart]

You could make your own

[vital quail]

Or wait til they come into weekly rotation

Next week is bc2 themed portal mode

Bf3 one isn't in the calendar atm that I can see

[brittle wind]

Last week was BF3 vs BC2

At least FNB was

[abstract night]

Amen. I’ll even take it a step further to add that we should be able to customize the position of an attachment and not just have a surplus of attachments. I hate when designers model sights like the ACOG (for example) at the back of the rear iron instead of above the magwell (where it looks much better)

[abstract night]

Black ops 6 just isn’t an interesting CoD game nor does it try to be outside of campaign

Try MW23 customization and variety and you’ll be spoiled forever

[brittle wind]

I don't wanna because activision is currently shadowbanning remaining MWIII players

In order to tunnel them into BO6

[abstract night]

And here’s another argument: what’s the big deal with Battlefield trying a gunsmith? It is literally the ONLY reason I still play CoD. I literally only buy the reboot MW games for that ONE reason. If battlefield had an equal if not better gunsmith (without absolutely hellspawned restrictions and debuffs) I’d literally have no reason to ever pick up a call of duty game ever again

Battlefield does so well with keeping skins tame. But its gunplay experience is still outdated. If we got a decent gunsmith I’d drop CoD with light speed

[abstract night]

That’s probably what’s happening to me because I have constant rubberbanding. Thanks activision

[brittle wind]

I want to play a game with unique weapons, gunsmithing is antithesis of that

[abstract night]

with a gunsmith you can have the same gun perform in like 3 different ways that is very unique

[brittle wind]

I get you have aftermarket parts in MWIII but not in BO6, in BO6 every weapon performs same

[abstract night]

You know what I’m bout to say about blops6 don’t you

None of the ‘reboot’ blops games are interesting (to me)

Something just feels weird about treyarchs games

As much as IW gets flak, they know how to create a real gunplay experience with their MW games

[brittle wind]

Delta Force has the same issue in gunsmithing

Most famous DF youtuber outright refuses to make sniper guides because he thinks it would make the game unplayable if he teaches people how to build snipers

Gunsmithing creates unnecessary balance issues and makes every weapon feel same

I gave Selbstlader example, bad RPM, bad recoil, high mag size which makes it viable and fun

If BFV had gunsmithing it would be useless due to drum mag marksman rifles

[abstract night]

I don’t want a gunsmith in a WW1/2 era game anyways because you get Vanguard

[brittle wind]

You can apply same logic to modern era games too

[abstract night]

Also to be fair BFV is the game where there’s basically 2 weapon types: annoying because the random recoil, or complete beam

[brittle wind]

If every MP5 or Vector or AKS has drum mags with 50 rounds then what's the point of P90 with naturally high mag size?

Or PP with high mag size?

No one uses PP in BO6 because you can just slap on 50 round mags to MP5

Gunsmithing creates less variety, not more

[abstract night]

The MP5 is perhaps the most famous modern SMG ever, I chalk it up to a mix of preference and sweats being sweats

[merry heart]

That feel of when you're so bored of the Haven map in CQC that when you spawn in on Russian side you camp on the silos with Mackay because you're bored of the map.

[abstract night]

No variety in lobbies you get if your last 5 average was anything above 1kd

lol

[brittle wind]

PP is still one of the least used SMGs in BO6 because every other SMG has it's natural advantage with gunsmithing, extremely high mag size

[abstract night]

CoD is played by millions of people. If it weren’t for rigged matchmaking you’d see players using literally everything

It’s literally only that 1% of bucket users that use the same 3 guns

Get into what is basically a bot lobby and you’ll see some dude running around with a 12x scope on an m4

[brittle wind]

It's still an inherent issue of gunsmithing, makes every gun feel same and perform same 🤷

[abstract night]

If only the 1% of the 1% are not taking advantage of it to use the objectively best load outs, it’s not an inherent issue at all

[brittle wind]

It's not just 1%, at least not in games like Delta Force, Enders' no recoil gunsmith guide video has 200K views, game already has 100K concurrent players

That's why he refuses to make sniper gunsmith guide

[abstract night]

It’s a mix of the MP5 simply being nicer to look at + more famous and Treyarch clearly failing to see the P90s uniqueness. Judging by what you told me, I agree that there’s no reason an mp5 with a drum should perform the same as the P90. The P90 is able to be standard 50 rounds because it’s chambered in a different caliber entirely. But I don’t expect much from Treyarch. They seem to be the second least serious with their games just behind Sledgehammer because blops6 didn’t even hit season 1 before wacky skins were already in the game

[brittle wind]

Well BO6 doesn't have P90 but I gave it as an example why gunsmithing makes every weapon samey

[abstract night]

Like it’d make sense for the P90, regardless of whatever other SMG it’s going up against, to at least have the faster ads speed even if nothing else at all

[brittle wind]

It has PP19 though which no one uses

[abstract night]

So you mean the P90 in the MW games

Which was not uncommon to see actually

[brittle wind]

No I meant P90 as an example of naturally high mag size weapon

If every gun has 50 round mags it makes P90 redundant

[abstract night]

The funny thing is, without a gunsmith, a default 50 round SMG may dominate over other SMGs purely because more rounds = less punishment for missing

[brittle wind]

Nah

BFV's meta weapon was ZK, ZK had 30 rounds, it was more accurate than Suomi or Tommy Gun despite them having 50 round mags

[abstract night]

Well again BFV really has 2 weapons regardless of class: laser or unusable past 30 meters or while prone

[brittle wind]

BFV has more classes than that though

Selbstlader isn't laser but still usable past 30 meters

You just need to spam it lol

[kindred flint]

btw the meta sweat was running those smgs with small mags for the high rof

[abstract night]

Selb is just an unbelievably based rifle

[brittle wind]

Yeah because you could only get one of them, either extended mag or light bolt

[abstract night]

It’s broken in bf1

[brittle wind]

It's pretty bad in BFV but still fun

[chilly dove]

yeah I generally agree with you over all. also, even the largest game modes in call of duty, or even battlefield, don't really see players engaging in long ranges for the core inherent gameplay. A few snipes here or there in warzone, maybe some in the big groundwar style modes. but other than that's very close quarters in call of duty. Battlefield has conquest and even breakthrough takes place in larger areas overall so you see more viable weapon variance at top meta.

[abstract night]

That’s the thing with V that also bothers me. Pistols and selb suck for no reason

[lilac dust]

I joined the queue about 9 hours ago. I just now made it to 63900 position in the queue

[brittle wind]

I agree about pistols but not ab out selb

[abstract night]

The M1911 in BF1? Don’t even try to fight it. V? Laughable at best

[brittle wind]

I hate how no game has Browning Hi Power in WW1 or WW2 games

Literally came out 3 years after 1911

[kindred flint]

i also enjoyed how in bfv they understood if you wanted a bullet hose SMG you needed to be round limited... but then 2042 comes along and its like k30 drum mag go brrrr

[abstract night]

I just don’t understand why the 1% of the 1% are any reason as to what the 99.9% get to enjoy and play with in a video game

Let’s not think of CoD for a sec: BF matches are much longer and less individualistic. Let the sweats on both teams duke it out with meta, and the rest of both teams just play with whatever they think looks cool

[abstract night]

There’s probably an inherent bias somewhere that states “9mm gun in ww2 = big recoil, 9mm in modern, peashooter”

[chilly dove]

what happens is many people just figure out a simple solution to mid/close range engagement that is reliable and minimal effort. but that doesn't dictate the wider meta. Any weapon can be pushed really hard. someone recently saying the portal DMRs are too hard to use. I love me SVD through every battlefield game i've played that has it

[abstract night]

If you really like the aesthetics of the gun you can absolutely destroy people with it

If it’s not the SR338 from BF4 you’re good

[kindred flint]

back in ww2 when men were men, they could take a full mp40 mag to the chest and not fall down

[chilly dove]

so i agree with you again, dont' worry. it's not the case that there's only this or that people can use

[kindred flint]

modern days soldiers have to cry for a medic when some 22 hits them