battlefield-2042

[novel drift]

Luckily the bar is so low they don't have to beat them

[abstract lynx]

That was amazing and a nice twist in the battlefield franchise

[warm tusk]

right now 2042 is at an ok place

[vivid rune]

I agree

[karmic oasis]

you mean tank capacity?

[crimson flint]

Hardline had great start compared to 2042 only problem was no follow up on the momentum

[rocky gust]

problem was nobody asked for cops and robbers

[lofty prairie]

whatttt??

[fast ginkgo]

🇮🇹 battlefield is like italy a real wonder, pasta pizza and unique monuments. ban Fortinite and Cod players🇮🇹

[warm tusk]

bradleys and bmp

[worn trench]

Maps too big and open.
Squad play completely diminished... 128 players... 4 player squads
Can't play with more than 3 friends.
No persistent servers
No server browser
Missing tons of stat tracking in previous games.
Specialists
Movement too fast and arcadey
Too many players creating chaos and never any controlled fighting, never any good push or pull.

Too many other things missing from BF2/3/4/1

Teams look identical/terrible recognition of teams

[karmic oasis]

yeah, is it ok and fun, but they still lack personality

[novel drift]

With the whole 2042 experience all they have to do is build on the 3/4 experience and just replicate it.

[warm tusk]

some points are good and some points would make the game another COD

[crimson flint]

It took how long for 2042 to be “ok” ?

[weak minnow]

I actually did enjoy 2042. The maps were huge, but I think the key was to spawn on the squad. I wished there were more environmental hazards and changes to the maps. The tornados were awesome though.

[lofty prairie]

oh yea

for me the gun play/infy on 2042 was decent except specialist

[warm tusk]

play arma, sounds like you want either COD or a Milsim

[placid marlin]

would be cool but ditch the HORRIBLE gunplay from bf4

[lofty prairie]

what lost it for me was how arcade the vehicles felt

[worn trench]

What dude... these are all points from BF2/2142/3/4

[vivid rune]

This

[karmic oasis]

COD gameplay is not up for a battlefield like game

[worn trench]

Have you played BF2?

[crimson flint]

I enjoyed bf4 gunfights felt intense there seemed like no bad map, my only thing was I mainly sniped

[weak minnow]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't bf4 bad for a while until a certain expansion that made a lot of changes?

[warm tusk]

the whole point is to have squads with specialized roles to work together

[subtle garnet]

I like the concept of 2042. A futurisitc shooter isn't a bad idea. I just think that no campaign was a downer for me. Also, the game released buggy, which made me feel like a lot of my time testing was for nothing.

[karmic oasis]

remember that mode from Modern warfare reboot?

[placid marlin]

2042 gunplay is 10/10

[karmic oasis]

horrible

[quasi quail]

PC Hackers and Cronus console players are destroying the value of this game. I constantly play matches with people who have infinite life

[pine roost]

movement was probably my second favourite behind 4, hoping they don't do a bf1 and completely nullify it

[lofty prairie]

yea they rushed the launch

[crimson flint]

Play squad it’ll fit what you want

[novel drift]

3 and 4 both had rocky starts but they were at their core still bf

[weak minnow]

Right

[karmic oasis]

was bad at launch due to rush development

[lofty prairie]

after they patched bf4 it was incredible for me

[split inlet]

Bf4 release was a mess, but it evened out and they did a stellar job tbf. BFBC2 was a peak before tbf.

[weak minnow]

Ah yes. Ok.

[warm tusk]

I did not my thing

[subtle garnet]

Same. I really like the switching of mods on the fly.

[warm tusk]

I have been playing bf since the original

[crimson flint]

Which original ?

[warm tusk]

battlefield

[worn trench]

bruh

[crimson flint]

Not the original

[split inlet]

I loved that the older BF games recognised you as a vet for the prior ones, I have every single battlefield lol

[stoic thicket]

Is hacking really that much of an issue in 2042? Feel like I don’t really ever run into any

[warm tusk]

1942?

[warm tusk]

1942 was the first battlefield pretty sure

[warm tusk]

bro im 39

[rocky gust]

people like to say 2042 moveemnt is arcade-y but forget about bf2 having dropshotting LMAO

[karmic oasis]

i miss 1943

[crimson flint]

You said battlefield not 1942 😂

[split inlet]

1942 was

[karmic oasis]

played that a lot on my ps3

[weak minnow]

I was really into bf2 and didn't get to play it until later on. I think bad company 2 was my first and I played a lot of BF going forward.

[warm tusk]

i just meant the series

[quasi quail]

Everytime i game for 2 hours half of my matches are played with people cheating

[novel drift]

I just turned 40... Your time is coming

[warm tusk]

on 2042?

[abstract lynx]

Correct

[warm tusk]

I dont want my time to come, i just beat cancer lol

[warm tusk]

Im on recover and just been gaming

[novel drift]

Ha... I did too back in 2018

[crimson flint]

Oh shit, congratulations man glad you made it through

[novel drift]

congrats

[warm tusk]

what flavor did you get, I had colon

[split inlet]

Those of us turning 40 remember 56k dial up. It was like the internet stone age kids, you'd have lost your minds! 🤣

[warm tusk]

congrats too you too

[quasi quail]

Yes, and I purchased the $100 pre-order. Its never changed. I think people in this chat providing feed could be the same people cheating its that bad

[novel drift]

Neuroendocrine in the gut

[warm tusk]

bro stop lmao

[stoic thicket]

Are u sure that you’re not just assuming? My games are usually fine. I also think people like to throw the word “cheating “ around too much. I got accused of cheating when i still was playing on Xbox lmfao

[crimson flint]

I remember dial up was just me being poor 😂

[warm tusk]

omg dude, glad you made it

[split inlet]

MSN messenger, AOL chat rooms... Google wasn't a thing... you had to go to libraries!

[warm tusk]

I remember getting dsl

[novel drift]

Man... The survivor guilt is real. Hits kind of hard sometimes

[crimson flint]

AOL getting hacked good times

[stoic thicket]

Idk man. Playing on pc now and i dont think I run into that many hardly ever

[warm tusk]

you made it for a reason though

[crimson flint]

Anyone get through the queue line?

[warm tusk]

on bf4 yes, 2042 rare

[novel drift]

No yeah, just a fyi for you

[chilly dove]

So now our feedback can get ignored in person? Sweet.

[crimson flint]

Ok fine I’ll redownload 2042 for the 8th time

[stoic thicket]

Yes i agree. 2042 is surprisingly chill

[warm tusk]

what region are you in?\

[split inlet]

149k ahead of me. Well, that'll teach me to work lol

[lofty prairie]

anyone still playing bf4 on playstation hit me up to play

[crimson flint]

Na

[warm tusk]

i have been having a good time on 2042

[warm tusk]

you should be good

[novel drift]

Anyone remember the Rubberducky server from the BF2 days?

[crimson flint]

137k in front of me

[weak minnow]

Lol I'll be 40 this month. Delta Force 2 was my first online game. Always had consistent latency and just had to shoot about 1/2 inch in front of someone running to take them out 😆. I mainly sniped though

[split inlet]

They've made a massive effort with 2042 tbh

[warm tusk]

omg yes lol

[rocky gust]

you gotta give where credit is due. they made a lot of advancements with the game, but the content just wasn't it

[warm tusk]

wait, I thought that was bfbc2

[stoic thicket]

I always have a good time on it. I know it got alot of shit and its not the best game but i somehow always have fun

[crimson flint]

Delta force “the free to play” is alright but it isnt as nice as the original games

[rocky gust]

1 new map every season, and they spent majoirty of their content update with changing maps

[novel drift]

They had a BF2 server first. Karkand Nade only Friday nights

[warm tusk]

youn played the OG delta force?

[stoic thicket]

Does it have controller support now?

[warm tusk]

yup! lol

[split inlet]

Ah mate that was an incredible game! I remember when joint ops came out years later and my PC just couldn't play it. I played DF to death, you'd end up finding a hacker running around with the mk49 GL by hand lol

[rocky gust]

the more you play DF the game just screams hero shooter

you spam abilities more than shoot

it is just disgusting

[crimson flint]

Yea I grew up on hand me downs from my brother 😂

[rocky gust]

also wallhack characters in games

[crimson flint]

Couldn’t tell you I play 2 matches then get off

[chilly dove]

2042 is enjoyable, but why they decided to not direct problems they were told about, like actual bugs in the game is beyond me. The forums are there, we'd report stuff, no feedback at all.

[warm tusk]

I just want to be the normal ass grunt with a class

[weak minnow]

Ahhh that's biased lol. If you go back and play those old DF games you may change your mind. They were excellent back then though

[stoic thicket]

That boring huh

[rocky gust]

thats what everyone fucking wanted

[split inlet]

Can't wait for the single player to come out for that tbh. Black hawk down was incredible

[rocky gust]

but somehow

game devs still think we want hero shooter garbage

[split inlet]

It's called a free to play game and they want revenue unfortunately

[warm tusk]

I played when it first came out and I was so disappointed I didnt reinstall until the last few days

[crimson flint]

Just ends bad, can’t play between the lag on servers or just terrible soldier design blends on too much for my color blind ass

[weak minnow]

I did love how you could do map creation in DF though and people could play them

[rocky gust]

they went against the communities wishes and buffed recons

[warm tusk]

what are the issues now?

[split inlet]

Yep the DF maps were crazy

[rocky gust]

Recons have access to AR, shotguns, DMR, SR, SMG..... like what...?

[crimson flint]

Ready or not is pretty good to kill time until this new bf comes out

[novel drift]

I remember in the bf2 demo they had 128 player servers up. The Rubberducky guys were trying to get that back into the game and and had a lot going on working through it back in the day. Not sure if they ever figured it out. That was so long ago.

I want to say they did get it working eventually

[mighty canopy]

Eww, bf 2042 still alive.

[warm tusk]

its not bad now

[rocky gust]

theres engine level: mouse input and recoil bug. since launch. in an fps game

[split inlet]

I remember the original ghost recon game, the FPS one. That was hard. Some mad buggers made a mod for 110 enemies on a map, AI tweaked to hell, and it was 5 of you vs 110 AI lol

[mighty canopy]

It's not even a debate

[weak minnow]

I have better guns in modern day delta force now and it's more fun, but cheaters ruin it. Also, they really need controller support. I have 2 friends that won't play it because they can't use the keyboard

[split inlet]

Gamespy days lol

[warm tusk]

they put like 64 people on the 16 map

[novel drift]

lol

Yeah I remember that

[rocky gust]

the failure of 2042 does not make BFV any better either

[chilly dove]

Alot of stuff has improved, but for example old glaring issues are still there: If you're crawling/prone and there's a bush that you can normally run/walk or crouch walk through, while prone you can't move backwards through it. There's still huge revival bugs due to bushes too. Sundance can instantly die if she lands on a staircase or any sort of perch

[weak minnow]

I read there is a rumor the next ghost recon will be fps.

[rocky gust]

I despise anyone that said bfv was underrated after 2042 release

[split inlet]

Yeah saw that too. Fingers crossed.

[weak minnow]

If ubisoft doesn't die

[split inlet]

Well, yeah that'll be the challenge lol

Absolutely stoked for BF though

[warm tusk]

thats the problem with huge games, theres always a bug somewhere

[weak minnow]

Lol I tweeted begging playstation to bring SOCOM back and make it into a ghost recon style game

[warm tusk]

anyone ever play rainbow 6 vegas?

[novel drift]

on PS3

[split inlet]

Thing is with bugs, gamers aren't exactly patient, like there's some poor dev team trying to get some level of rest, getting basically screamed at to fix things

[warm tusk]

loved that game

[crimson flint]

The best rainbow six

[warm tusk]

ya

[split inlet]

Vegas 1 and 2 were great. Maxed out on those

[weak minnow]

Yep. I drew a dot on my TV screen to shoot since the reticle disappeared when I was behind cover 😆

[warm tusk]

siege was a disappoint

[warm tusk]

during blind fire?

[warm tusk]

LOL

[split inlet]

Heretic

[crimson flint]

It was good in alpha but went downhill slowly I used to be diamond playing it so much then jackal came out and it started sucking

[weak minnow]

Haha yeah

[tulip lion]

i still remember very first siege trailer ... retail game have nothing to do with it :D

[warm tusk]

ya its the hero shooter genre someone was talking about before

[crimson flint]

Is Arma reforger any good

[rocky gust]

when they release the game in an UNPLAYABLE state and go on a vacation ofc you catch flak

[warm tusk]

did you play arma?

[crimson flint]

I played Arma 3 for a few years before I had kids

[rocky gust]

"but devs are human too" and we are humans that pay for their work and uphold a certain level of quality

[warm tusk]

yup

[crimson flint]

First siege trailer was intense and over promised

[warm tusk]

ya if you put out a product it should be finished when we buy it

[chilly dove]

all of this was pointed out on the forums and I swear to you, no acknowledgement from any community person. Bring it up here, not acknowledgement. There's 1 thing EA is good at, and that's no acknowledgement of reported problems so when I hear about labs I just think it's the same old community members invited out to vomit their vague ideas onto the game and cry because the words that describe the same game mechanics in new game are different from old game boo hoo.

[rocky gust]

you think if for a production project i took a drawing of a penguin eating KFC they would say yeah thats good take a break now

extreme example but

[warm tusk]

lets hope we have it fixed

[rocky gust]

they did not even do the bare minimum, then whined about players having brutal expectations

[split inlet]

It's a management thing, imagine you've smashed yourself for 2 years on something, maybe longer, had crunches working ungodly hours, and yeah, maybe too many people are off, or it simply takes time. But my god does the internet facilitate people to say things that you just wouldn't to someones face lol

[rocky gust]

no here's the thing, devs worked through covid and all, that's great

but if the game was to release in this... thing, then they should have just delayed it

[warm tusk]

oh ya, I had to quit league of legends just because of the things people say

[chilly dove]

You know they're going to give the guy who says "i need more repairs in vehicles from random people!" some sparkling water and an upper back massage.

[rocky gust]

personally, i would rather wait eagerly for a better game than a rushed release that plays like dogshit

[split inlet]

That'll be higher up, publishers etc. They've got to make a return on their investment, profit lines etc.

[rocky gust]

and i would think a lot of people would think so too

[split inlet]

It's not the devs

[rocky gust]

and that's where modern gaming kicks in

[warm tusk]

if you played on a sports team you would never say that to people faces, so why is it allowed in esports?

[weak minnow]

I have friends that want me to jump into dota 2 and I won't do it for the same reason

[rocky gust]

shareholders, investors.

they want their shit

[chilly dove]

meanwhile the dude is hovering over the enemy base eating 3 AA guns worth of damage

[warm tusk]

the game is fun, its hyper competitive, but the community is trash

[rocky gust]

triple AAA games are pressured so hard by them to rush and release unprepared things because they want their return

[split inlet]

Yep

[rocky gust]

its why indie games lately have been so much better in many regards

[warm tusk]

if this next battlefield is trash everyone just need to vote with thier money

[weak minnow]

Yeah i believe it. My friends are nice guys, but if I'm in discord it transforms them too lmao.

[warm tusk]

quit the game

[rocky gust]

game production is a business and i understand people need their returns and paychecks. but if you make a fucking car with a broken engine that's a problem

[weak minnow]

Foxhole seems to be a pretty cool game that not too many are talking about. Huge learning curve though.

[split inlet]

Foxhole is solid

[warm tusk]

ya eventually everyone loses their shit, but its someone every game throwing a childs tantrum or just throwing the game its just not fun anymore

[rocky gust]

mostly been delving into wukong and elden ring again. souls game never cease to please me

[weak minnow]

Right

[rocky gust]

recently learned about convergence mod and elden ring is offering a whole different flavor and fun

[warm tusk]

I go to singke player games when I need a break

[weak minnow]

You try the berserker demo that is out now?

[chilly dove]

if you manage or know the person who manages your friends gaming discord, write up competent rules and spend just a couple minutes reading them before a play session. Goes a long way and it squashed the "acting out" stupidity from my group

[rocky gust]

hmmm, elaborate? is it another new souls game?

i need more information on this

lately ive been grinding delta force these past few days so i can hit max rank then quit again so i dunno

[weak minnow]

Ah yeah they're going to do what they do. It's their discord. I have my own, but no one goes to it anymore lol

[weak minnow]

Look up the last berserker khazan on steam. Yeah it's a soulslike. Practically a reskin. I like the art style they went with

Based off of the anime/Manga.

[rocky gust]

definitely checking out

[weak minnow]

Well i say it's based off it. Same character. I never read or watched any of IP so I'm not sure if it's cannon

[chilly dove]

Gotta stand up and try and read the rules. I know the type who don't want to deal with any accountability. They're all spineless at the end of the day, no worries. If they know you in person, they'll have to face you at some point anyway if they try to run from everything they do online.

and by read the rules, i mean read the rules to them

[weak minnow]

Yeah they're close friends in other states. They never talk to me like that. It's just directed toward randoms in the match they're in.

I think the only thing we may debate about is politics. 😆

[chilly dove]

you could "just" find a more mature gaming community

[weak minnow]

Ah I'm fine. They really don't bother me. I just call them out and pick at them when they get like that.

I do plan to look for more people to play with later in the year, but I'm trying to finish my degree. So I only have 1 or 2 days each week to play currently

But I do agree. I need more people my age to play with

[rocky gust]

Watching the gameplay by jev rn

Looks p solid

[warm tusk]

where do you find this lol

[chilly dove]

)=

[north siren]

DirectX function "D3D12CreateDevice" failed on bf2042

i did updated all PC like video card etc.. and window updated .. any idea this issues?

i m on nvidia 3060

[weak minnow]

Yeah i made it through 2 small bosses, then stopped. Had to get on assignments. It does seem good though

[lunar basin]

this game sucks

play bf1

[weak minnow]

On steam or the EA app?

[north siren]

steam

[clever fulcrum]

on bf4 i got banned and get kicked a few seconds in..I bought a whole new game and it just signed me in to the old account

[weak minnow]

Try right clicking bf2042, click properties, look for Local Files, and then Verify Integrity of the files. Hopefully that works

[abstract night]

the best, but its time for a new game so we'll see how this one ages

[weak minnow]

It should scan all of the files, find the issue and re-download what you need to patch it

[abstract night]

bf1 is the only good newer ww battlefield game imo and the last good modern bf is like 12 yrs old so if i could get a good modern game i'd be content

[clever fulcrum]

id love to be able to play 4 again as my old friends there still do!

[weak minnow]

Why can't you?

[clever fulcrum]

says i am banned?!

[weak minnow]

Ah damn

[clever fulcrum]

after so many hours!, I tried to contact them but no responce

[weak minnow]

Sorry to hear. That sucks!

[north siren]

i m doing now.. hope works

[clever fulcrum]

gotta be someone somewhere that can help.. been on BF since 2

[thorny oracle]

whats with the new logo

[solid imp]

"logo"

[dapper river]

2042 is getting a Season 8, bro

[thorny oracle]

ah.

[solid imp]

Oh you meant 2042 logo not discord icon. Seems I'm the one who needs new reading glasses.

[weak minnow]

I was looking. Are you using a DVI or HDMI cable? People are saying they switched to HDMI and that worked.

[arctic grove]

It's so satisfying to get a long sniper shot

[weak minnow]

It is indeed. Especially when they're running or in a vehicle

[north siren]

I m using HDMI

[chilly dove]

But have you ever run to site, planted C5 in a sneaky spot, ran back to your sniper position, scoped in, saw unsuspecting combatants arrive on site through your scope and blown them up instead of taking the shot? surprisingly simple yet few have claimed to do this. Feels good

[weak minnow]

This is what chatgpt told me:
I'm sorry to hear you're experiencing this issue with Battlefield 2042! Here are a few steps you can try to resolve the "D3D12CreateDevice" error:

1. Clean Install of Graphics Drivers: Sometimes, a clean install of your graphics drivers can resolve DirectX errors. Use a tool like Display Driver Uninstaller (DDU) to completely remove the current drivers and then reinstall the latest version from the NVIDIA website

2. Update DirectX: Ensure that you have the latest version of DirectX installed on your system. You can download it from the Microsoft website.

3. Check Game Files: Verify the integrity of your game files through the game launcher (e.g., Origin, Steam) to ensure there are no corrupted files.

4. Adjust Graphics Settings: Try lowering your in-game graphics settings and see if that helps. Sometimes, reducing the stress on your GPU can prevent these errors.

5. Perform a Clean Boot: Perform a clean boot of your system to ensure no background applications are interfering with the game

6. Check Power Supply: Ensure your power supply is capable of meeting the demands of your hardware under heavy gaming load

If none of these steps work, it might be worth reaching out to EA Support for further assistance. They might have additional troubleshooting steps or be able to provide a patch if this is a known issue.

I hope one of these solutions helps you get back to gaming! Let me know if there's anything else I can assist you with.

I would say maybe type Nvidia control panel in the search box by the start button in windows and see if you can load it with lower graphics settings before trying to do any clean installs.

[chilly jacinth]

None of these will fix it, the newest content update made the game crash constantly for a fair few people

[chilly dove]

Have you updated your drivers recently? Open up nvidia control panel and tell it to stop using the shader cache. You could also reinstall the game

[rustic roost]

it would be really cool if we like 1 last thing to grind in 2042 before BF comes out

[chilly dove]

they just added a rendezook achievement thing

[brittle wind]

Because you can already sprint forever in BF, why have 2 sprint speeds? Tac sprint makes somewhat sense in CoD because you can't tac sprint forever. In BF you can both sprint and tac sprint forever, just buff regular sprint speed and remove tac sprint. Even BO6 does that now, they introduced a new perk that removes tac sprint but buffs regular sprint.

[fading vapor]

We need to make a new game using VR and figure out a way to stop CHEATERS IN THEIR TRACKS.

[candid brook]

@thebulletkin @thebulletkin thank you. This does make complete sense.

[chilly jacinth]

VR gaming market is basically dead

[warm tusk]

but it takes a long time to sds

ads

from tac sprint

[brittle wind]

Yeah, that's why I dislike it

[olive delta]

Alguien que hable español?

[candid brook]

We need a tactical fart

[warm tusk]

but thats real

[chilly dove]

yeah i like this

[fading vapor]

Dead to school children but maybe it’s more for adults my bad what was I thinking this is for children my Bad.

[arctic grove]

Tactical Tax Filing

[warm tusk]

you cant 100% sprint with full kit and weapon and then get on your sights immediately

[brittle wind]

I don't care, it's a video game

[candid brook]

Then why complain lol

[warm tusk]

then play cod, because thats exactly what battlefield does not want to be

[chilly dove]

agreed, but the management of this game isn't exactly listening to us when we point this out

[warm tusk]

supposedly they are for 6

[chilly dove]

that trailer video started with the guy talking about breakthrough instead of conquest. yuck

[leaden tide]

I just closed my web browser and I went from 9k in front of me to 190k

[warm tusk]

we dont want to be cod, we want our battlefield chaos back

[warm tusk]

breakthrough is fun

[chilly dove]

i'm sure it's alright, but it will never hold a candle to the stuff you can do in conquest

[brittle wind]

Huh? Tac sprint is a CoD feature, or a milisim feature CoD copied

[brittle wind]

It's clunky

[chilly dove]

Kaleidoscope: hovercrafting onto the datacentre in the middle of the map. Only in conquest moments lmao

[candid brook]

Me too buddy

[abstract night]

i think people forget about the fact that transport vehicles and small trucks exist in battlefield games as spawnable/world vehicles

like there is literally no point to tac sprint in battlefield when you can just spawn on some dudes heli and skydive out of it to where you want to go lol

[brittle wind]

Yeah, agreed

People likes it because of the animation more than functionality imo lol

I think it makes sprinting needlessly clunky

[abstract night]

i think so too which is funny because i never really liked the tac sprint animation anyways, it just makes sense from a real life standpoint cause its easier to run with your gun up as opposed to constantly bobbing up and down in front of you i guess

[chilly dove]

nah it's like a personal achievement. it's like turning multiplayer into hard mode to purposely not use vehicles or spawn on any site you haven't personally visited

alot of people play the game without using vehicles to have that asymmetrical experience

[abstract night]

and that is fair i suppose

i think thats why there should be 1 really fast sprint but have a cooldown

[brittle wind]

Cooldown would be unnecessary imo, I just want a regular sprint speed in line with BF5's sprint speed, maybe a little bit faster

[chilly dove]

nah I don't see the worry. where does sprint affect anyone who plays the game the way you describe anyway? a chopper with thermal gunner doesn't care if you're sprinting or standing still really

[sour shadow]

Not all of the game is Vehicle vs Infantry.

[abstract night]

thats an important thing to mention too cause a super fast tac sprint will make infantry maps feel so exhausting to play on

itll turn battlefield into diet CoD movement

[brittle wind]

One use of tac sprint would be that honestly, extremely fast sprint speed for like 2-3 seconds in order to escape from heli fire or something

[abstract night]

this is probably the best option for all maps and for movement in general

[chilly dove]

So then you're saying infantry have trouble hitting sprinting targets? You've gotta be kidding me. Have you seen the autoaim in this game for controller players??

[strong snow]

Now I wait for a potential email from then whenever

[abstract night]

like honestly tac sprint is additionally useless if map design is decent in the next game

[sour shadow]

Not all of the game is Console players.

[abstract night]

theres also not very strong aim assist for us consoles either

[chilly dove]

i'm on mouse and let me tell you, I have no issue. Now i'm also a demigod but...

[pine roost]

Doesn’t need it if it’s small, good point. It’s called traversal sprint for a reason at all

[sour shadow]

I think the objective should be to not put yourself in a position where you need superhuman speed to survive..

[abstract night]

yea, decent map sizes + in world/spawn in vehicles should take care of any issues

[sour shadow]

.... k

[chilly dove]

my point is that if i use one of my easy loadouts, sprinting targets in effective ranges are easy to hit. It's the long range random sprint/direction changing hoppers who give me trouble when i'm sniping. But... that's a good thing. Because i abuse that against enemy snipers all the time lol

[brittle wind]

Yeah agreed with that too

[sour shadow]

Again... not sure why I care about any of that.

[abstract night]

im of the more personal opinion that cod shouldnt have tac sprint either, its very gimmicky and only further reinforces CoDs absolute breakneck speed and pacing thats making it so unplayable for casual players

[chilly dove]

the point of this recent discussion was about sprinting and why people think it needs a nerf, calm down <-

[chilly jacinth]

Casuals just plug in a controller and let that do the aiming

[sour shadow]

This just in, hitting targets nearby is easier than hitting targets far away. More news at 11.

[chilly jacinth]

No need to even move

[abstract night]

true

[ruby fiber]

Personnally I prefer no tac sprint for a more realistic and immersive war

[sour shadow]

Agreed.

[ruby fiber]

Like everyone being too fast makes it lack a bit of the moments where you all just push in group

[abstract night]

amen

i completely agree although i think we have to give some compromise to movement players too that way we can all peacefully get along ( )

[sour shadow]

Given it's 2042, I could support 'Traversal Sprint' if we were wearing exo-suits. But we're not.

[brittle wind]

Regular BF channel is unusable now lol

Glad this channel exists

[ruby fiber]

What i think lack in a lot of FPS is a dynamic where we can have moments where you have a group of like 10 people in the same small area being pinned down or other cinematic moments

more than just running around

and im saying that as someone who loves titanfall 2's movement

[sour shadow]

Well I mean.. Operation Metro does exist...

[ruby fiber]

I just think its out of immersion for the type of war setting we thrive for

[chilly dove]

While I admit the movement speeds people have in 2042 are a bit fast, I just don't think I've ever had a problem with that in any discernable way. Close or long range. I gotta recheck the 100 metre sprint speed though. Maybe not everyone should be Usain Bolt

[ruby fiber]

yeah

[chilly dove]

so just a tiny bit of a speed drop maybe, but i don't have a real problem with them being essentially that fast lol

[ruby fiber]

Like in the small gameplay shots we have for the new game it looks fantastic

[molten hatch]

hello new in here how does the battlefield labs works?

[ruby fiber]

you queue

im position 199 757

[chilly dove]

because people asking for cherry picked realism in battlefield... i can't lol

[sour shadow]

I'll let you know in... 149,000 people from now.

[chilly jacinth]

Info is on their website

[pine roost]

Oh that’s where everyone is, I see. Has that channel muted for years lol

[chilly dove]

"I want to be able to smell the battlefield"-some guy "Choppers should have infinite ammo!"-the same guy

[sour shadow]

"Far targets should be as easy to hit as close targets" - some guy... who shall remain nameless.

[chilly dove]

i didn't say that. You're completely taking me out of context, thanks.

[abstract night]

limited vehicle ammo is just a bit intrusive to the whole "arcade sandbox" feel is all

i did not like that about bfv

[sour shadow]

I said they'd remain nameless!

[abstract night]

its not realistic for ammo to be unlimited but its more of a principle thing

[chilly dove]

hop on blocklist

[blissful pilot]

how to fix the blue screen when launch and play a game for few secconds?

[pine roost]

Just feels boring having to go back to the same spot each time to supply

[chilly jacinth]

You can't

[abstract night]

yea absolutely and then with tanks it just means tanks camp on resupply spots

[pine roost]

There’s pros and cons to both approaches but being able to go where I please is just refreshing

[sour shadow]

"And when it came time for my own feedback.. I blocked them."

[brittle wind]

I muted the whole server lol

I don't wanna get constant pings

[chilly dove]

i totally understand, was exagerating

[sour shadow]

You're assuming the vehicle resupply is static. It could move. Could be a part of a role.

[light dock]

HOW DO I GET ON THE BATTLEFIELD LABS

[abstract night]

ah

[pine roost]

I’m talking about v specifically and its implementation of it

[sour shadow]

Via patience

[pine roost]

I did have a concept for a way to sort of blend the two

[brittle wind]

Wait in line for 6 months

[merry heart]

[sour shadow]

Game's not coming out for at least two years. What's the rush?

[warm tusk]

it sholuld be a balance of realism and arcade

[sour shadow]

We can wingsuit through a tornado.

[brittle wind]

It will come out this year most likely

They wouldn't have cut the support for 2042 if that wasn't the case

[rare rapids]

@prime venture hi

[sour shadow]

... This has to be Poe's Law... right?

[steel beacon]

abandon 2042

[uncut bay]

it's most likely this year if we're having mass playtesting

2 years is absurd lol

[prime bloom]

i think they want to know what the bf players want

we all know it

[sour shadow]

Taken from the Youtube description:
"We’re still in the early stages of development".

[brittle wind]

I wouldn't bet on that, I bet it will be mostly for bugfixes

[prime bloom]

but directions of corporations never knows...

[chilly dove]

As for aiming with mouse as infantry, to give more context to one of my older messages, (despite being completely misunderstood), I think the real issue with having difficulty hitting some sprinting targets comes from certain loadotus and scenarios where you get stacked-accuracy / recoil punished. Easy to test with a horrible setup and it's like you can't hit the side of a bus sometimes. Arguably a bug since it doesn't make any sense that a gun would ever be that inaccurate.

[sour shadow]

Yes. Multiple factors go into whether you can hit your target.

[uncut bay]

"you'll test combat mechanics, modes, and more"

nothing foundational will change at this point, they clearly have the meat of the game already and i'll be concerned if they take another 2 years from this point to release it

[prime bloom]

it would be great if we get bf back by doing this test

i have hopes

[sour shadow]

You can test all of that in a pre-alpha state. Those words do not guarantee a 2025 launch. At all.

[prime bloom]

2042 was a hard miss for me

[uncut bay]

we don't have a guarantee for anything obviously

we'll find out soon enough when they're going to release it

[chilly dove]

Also that last message i wrote includes the hipfire accuracy debuff for example. I get that hipfire is not as accurate, but it's not SO inaccurate, as you see in this game/franchise lol

[prime bloom]

i dont mind to playbf4 for 4 more years if they give me something good

[sour shadow]

I heard that it'll "most likely release this year".

[brittle wind]

I would

It's been 4 years since 2042 launch

We need a new game

[sour shadow]

Well... 3 and a smidge. Launched Nov 2021.

[uncut bay]

you understand what opinions are yes? I believe it'll be this year based on everything i've seen

[sour shadow]

Apparenly my opinion was absurd though.

[random mason]

Nah, they'd have announced it already if it were this year, right?

[uncut bay]

i am of the opinion that yours was absurd yeah

[sour shadow]

And I am of the opinion that so is yours. How is this complex when it's your opinion? haha

[uncut bay]

2042 was announced in june

[pine roost]

Last time it was announced in June for a nov release date, but I’d say there’s like a 30% chance we get it this year

[chilly dove]

In that video they put out, has anyone screenshotted it and been able to read the name of the game title on those screens behind some of the devs talking? the text below "BATTLEFIELD"

[kind oak]

as a veteran BF player bf2042 still feels unfinished but is is way better than launch. i hate the cartoony feal of the operators. i like real milsim feel of older games. i really hope this launches soon i need the old BF back but with upgraded graphics and physics

[sour shadow]

Mm. I wouldn't ever equate Battlefield games to be milsim. But it's cool that you enjoyed the older games.

[torn shuttle]

Hopefully no more operators just go back to regular

[pine roost]

In theme, not gameplay

[kind oak]

compared to cod its milsim. caompared to Arma i agree its not.

[dim tendon]

I think the way BF2042 plays is pretty good now. I think it needs more maps and guns, especially because many of the maps feel super empty or aren’t well designed

[sour shadow]

And Arma is a milsim...

[pine roost]

It’s inbetween for the most part, which is perfect

[prime bloom]

i think that in the arcade fps games bf feels the most similar to milsim

[rugged ledge]

my hope is that we'll be walked back to the class system and the main innovation this game will make is adding lots of things to play around with, in the same way as 4 improved on 3

[sour shadow]

All good points.
Absolutely needs more weapons.
Absolutely needs an overhaul on map design.
I don't know if more maps is warranted though.

[chilly dove]

what are your thoughts on Arma?

[dim tendon]

Just fixing the current map pool would help. And bring back some old favorites (locker/firestorm/etc)

[rugged ledge]

really emphasize creative use of your tools with the vague guidance of doing the objective rather than going all in on a specific vision of players fighting over the cap and doing basically nothing else

[low kayak]

aint even comparable

[abstract night]

Agreed

[prime bloom]

adding more gadgets and more customization to weapons will be good i like what delta force did with that

[kind oak]

Arma is great But slow paced milsim

[uncut bay]

compared to cod it's very slightly more realistic, and hardly by much now that cod also implemented bullet drop

[sour shadow]

That would require a significant amount of resources that they're not going to expend.

[rugged ledge]

my hot take is that arma and battlefield are different expressions of the same appealing idea

[chilly dove]

sure, but do you like or prefer arma over battlefield franchise? or just 2042?

[rugged ledge]

both of them are, at their core, experiences around playing with a sandbox full of different tools that you can do x y and z things

[dim tendon]

True, and I don’t expect them too. I bought the game way later for like $4, so I already got my money’s worth.

[rugged ledge]

arma tends to get used more for larping real life military forces but it's also something you can turn into an arcadey shooter as seen with antistasi, reforger's modes, etc

[prime bloom]

yeah i can see that, one is a simulation and the other is a action movie

[kind oak]

Ive always prefered Battlefield games 100%

[sour shadow]

..... IS this a hot take?

[nova sky]

So is the launch in OCT true??

[rugged ledge]

to a lot of people yeah

[prime bloom]

i miss levolution stuff hope that the new game will have some

[rugged ledge]

anyway to wrap up my point i really hope New Battlefield Game™️ gets a lot closer to the 'sandbox' idea instead of trying to go all-in on combat again

[chilly dove]

did you ever hear of or try venice unleashed or battlefield reality mods or modes (even if just in portal)?

[pine roost]

well 2042 did that and messed up catastrophically

[sour shadow]

But... people who've played videos games before? Or understand a venn diagram?

[uncut bay]

gameplay clip showed a whole side of a building getting destroyed, reminded me of bf3

[prime bloom]

yeah

[rugged ledge]

a lot of people conceptualize arma as a milsim game and battlefield as call of duty with vehicles

[prime bloom]

the music of the trailer i think that was from bf4 or 3

[chilly dove]

i agree with this

[sour shadow]

As opposed to?

[brittle wind]

2072

[rugged ledge]

imo 2042 at its core was still wrapped up in the gameplay loop of fighting the enemy man instead of experimenting with your tools

a subtle but important distinction

[supple sequoia]

im only number 71,534 in the lab queue 😭😭😭

[chilly dove]

lol i looked and i think it just says "S T U D I O S"

[kind oak]

Old Bf games like modern combat, was like incredible all the variations in gameplay on foot or vehicles. and thow c4 all over your jeep and kamakaze it into people. Amazing

[pine roost]

2042 went full player agency before balance, it was about as sandboxy as you can get before they pulled it back a tad

[rugged ledge]

arma is, at its core, a sandbox to play around with assets in and when you aren't playing with mods like ACE it's actually a pretty clownshoes, arcadey experience

[sour shadow]

Arma is a milsim.
There. I said it.

[supple sequoia]

agree

[rugged ledge]

you're incorrect but that's okay, most people are

[brittle wind]

They copied BF3 teasers honestly lol:
https://youtu.be/3Oz9OajW6zA

[kind oak]

But battlefield destruction makes if feel kinda milsim.

[chilly dove]

one of my favourite things was using sundance with a rocket launcher to blow up enemy aircraft mid wingsuit. I had a video of it, and there's people who use portal now to keep doing it

[rugged ledge]

imo player agency didn't really equate to a sandbox in this context; put another way, the idea was to give you as many tools as possible, to use within a narrow framework of fighting the enemy dude

[sour shadow]

Man if only we were all as smart as you.

[uncut bay]

at least they know what people like lmao

they know exactly what people like, doesn't mean they're gonna use that information to make a good game

[sour shadow]

This comment could have been said in June 2021 haha

[sour shadow]

And this comment in November 2021

[supple sequoia]

3 & 4 were peak

[pine roost]

well yeah, that much makes sense. Arma is more of a platform than a game itself, 2042 being a fully fledged and designed pvp experience requires rules to function. Can understand enjoying a pure sandbox experience, but that won't really work here

[prime bloom]

its all abouth direction i just hope for the best

if they put a hero into this game thats it

[kind oak]

Bad company games were fun to

[prime bloom]

is dead for me

[uncut bay]

reminder that they also had many private testing sessions prior to 2042 launch, and we know how that turned out. Hoping that they're more careful with this game after that disaster

[rugged ledge]

that's the trick: 2042 requiring rules made it function a hell of a lot worse

[distant perch]

God bf3's lightning and aesthetic were amazing

[supple sequoia]

and they will never release anything like 3 & 4 ever again
and thats okay, thats why theyre so special, nostalgic even, doesnt mean i wont support future projects

[prime bloom]

i think they can do a good work

[sour shadow]

I don't know if "we had a good thing once so we don't need it again" is really what I'd settle on.

[prime bloom]

but yeah badcompany 3-4

[stoic zephyr]

Yo

[prime bloom]

was the best

[rugged ledge]

3 and 4 are still fundamentally very sandbox type games, working within rulesets that are very different, out of the idea that you can be given good tools so long as your capabilities aren't too broad

[brittle wind]

2042 is more balanced than BFV imo, at least for infantry play

[sour shadow]

This guy and his sandboxes

[chilly dove]

exactly, the specialist system was infact an expanded class system. but because it wasn't called "classes" many people didn't notice that it already was the class system.

[sour shadow]

Everyone noticed that.

[kind oak]

I love battlefield V but it never felt finished

[granite galleon]

I aint even gonna lie to you, the only reason I play bf2042 is for portal mode

[sour shadow]

Oh yeah, hundo-percento.

[prime bloom]

the only bad thing about the new bf being on modern days is that we are going to have helicopter players...

[rugged ledge]

the issue fundamentally was that you couldn't give specialists anything that was actually fun or really worth using besides for edge-case advantages in the narrow window of shooting a mans while playing the objective

[chilly dove]

I wish portal had more options. I could've fixed hazard zone if they gave us that much control

[supple sequoia]

itll never be the same, how bc, 3, 4 all felt was not just the game itself but our lives back then, getting off school, its the weekend, invite the buds over for a lan party, life is just different now

[rugged ledge]

heavier class emphasis means in a literal sense less player freedom but it also made those freedoms way more impactful and enabled a lot more creativity with them

[prime bloom]

so true it hurts

[kind oak]

The New Bradleys on 2024 are fun to bad it tokk 4 years

[dark crag]

WE NEED A RANKED BATTLEFIELD MODE

[supple sequoia]

now i get maybe an hour an a half to play max 3 games before the cycle repeats

[sour shadow]

"Don't try because you won't satisfy me" is also not what I'd settle on.

[prime bloom]

difficult but agree

[supple sequoia]

thats why i still continue to support any new releases

[rugged ledge]

tbh no, i still like 4 a lot and games imitating the ideas 4 went for capture my interest, like battlebit

[dark crag]

I WANT TO KNOW HOW GOOD I, OR MY SQUAD AND I, ARE VS THE GENERAL PUBLIC OF PLAYERS. WE NEED A RANKED MODE BAD.

[supple sequoia]

just chasing that feeling even if i just get a sliver of what once was

[sour shadow]

Maybe you just had lower expectations as a kid.

[little urchin]

Battlefield 1 is better then 2042

[supple sequoia]

nah its the nostalgia mostly

[high orbit]

Yet it felt more finished and better then 2042 which removed so much

[sour shadow]

A bias then.

[supple sequoia]

meeting a player in an empty lobby in the other team but we didnt kill eachother, we just wrote texts on the wall with repair tools and became friends for the better part of 7 years

[chilly dove]

it was still rolled into a gadget slot though. "classic classes" end up just being repair torch, med pack / better healing/reving, ammo crate (large/small), reconstuff like spawn beacon. This was available under the pre class system

[lilac lynx]

I’ve loved every BF game. 2042 has its perks, but I’ll never forget BF3, and Bad Company 2 that introduced me to the franchise.

[supple sequoia]

you wont find that moment ever again in these newer eras

[sour shadow]

That's so not true but OK I'm sorry you feel that way.

[rugged ledge]

in my experience the idea just kinda sucked eggs because none of the specialist gadgets felt more useful than a gimmick

like if 4 was balanced by turning every weapon into the SRAW

[random mason]

I literally find that moment daily in 2042 lmao

[supple sequoia]

not to say i dont have good times

i do

[chilly dove]

rao was definitely ass at first glance lol

[supple sequoia]

but it just wont be like that again

[random mason]

2142 was my first BF game, and I do miss Titan mode on occasion

[sour shadow]

Yeah I think he might have just forgotten how to have fun.

[main vale]

I have Mastery 40 on my k30 Why is it not showing on my top mastery levels in my stats

[dark crag]

NEED RANKED BATTLEFIELD

[low kayak]

pocket TV missile

xm25 airburst

grapple

thermal drone

[chilly dove]

yeah i kind of disagree because so many specialist gadgets were hella amazing

@Chef say wingsuit!!

[low kayak]

wingsuit is cringe

[kind oak]

Ya a big failure for 2042 is lack up drone mods

[rugged ledge]

you're rattling off gadgets that still to me feel gimmicky and limited in utility

[chilly dove]

cringe as in so good it gives you nightmares (=

[rugged ledge]

which is fair because you can't have the 25mm be as cheeseball as it was in 4, since there's going to be so many more people hauling them around

[main vale]

My stats are Broken

[low kayak]

TV missile can one shot stealths and jets....

and shoot over cover

xm25 shoots behind walls

drone is recon

[kind oak]

its like more fantasy than realism

[low kayak]

park it over objective and mark everyone

[sour shadow]

Could just be fun to use though. Not everything has to be min-maxed.

[low kayak]

idk how these are gimmicky

[mossy sun]

Hey

[rugged ledge]

it's the difference between using something as a joke a handful of times because it was weird and using something consistently because it's strong enough to enable creativity

SRAW being probably the most on-the-nose example of the former

[sour shadow]

It's a video game. You're meant to have fun.

[low kayak]

liz actually busted

[main vale]

My k30 Won't appear On my top mastery help

[chilly dove]

yeah, just put 2 Liz with those tv missiles in the repair seats of a hind and just dominate the skies and the land.

[low kayak]

i sniped a stealth heli yesterday with liz from the seat of a littlebird

so much cheese

[pine roost]

the airburst honestly is just so cheesy

to the point where I'd ban myself from using it at times, that thing is a menace to society

[low kayak]

tbf it was in bf4 too

i love airburst

[rugged ledge]

correct

[low kayak]

angel and boris and vulcan turret guy were all dogshit tho

everyone else good

[sour shadow]

Also possible that we might just not be creative enough to make these 'gimmicky' tools work.

[chilly dove]

what are your thoughts on wingsuit? you can climb about half as good as mackay and set up amazing sneaky behind enemy lines plays. unmatched infantry mobility

[vital quail]

Crawford is not bad lol

[low kayak]

one rocket or good sniper and its cooked immedaitely lmao

or any vehicle

[rugged ledge]

mobility is strong and fun to interact with, and the infantry mobility tools 2042 gives you are imo the highlight of its game design

[vital quail]

The passive Crawford has is what makes him useful

[low kayak]

boris somehow better than crawford

[sour shadow]

That counters... most things in the game though right?

[low kayak]

what passive he got

[vital quail]

1 extra rocket

[low kayak]

oh

[vital quail]

Which as engineer, is actually good

[low kayak]

welp nvm hes better than boris

til

[vital quail]

Everyone in the game is better than boris

[low kayak]

i just always rock liz

[kind oak]

i wonder if new game will have drones (ariel and ground) like current wars

[low kayak]

rocket and c4 combo too good

[rugged ledge]

i mean the MAV is probably coming back in some form

putting C4 on the mav might make its cinematic return for realism

[pine roost]

i'd hope not

[rugged ledge]

i would too but you never know

[low kayak]

ucav boys wet dream

[pine roost]

I know you love your sandboxy stuff but I just didn't like that much

[chilly dove]

crawford has a weird skill curve with the mounted vulcan. due to people having such ease, mouse or controller autoaim: to snipe him out of it, you have to actively see this about to happen and turn your turret so they will hit turrent instead of you. Had Dice put a simple bullet proof see through shield where that hole is, crawford would suddenly be so much easier for so many more people

[low kayak]

bring back bc2 uav missile drone

[rugged ledge]

in fairness MAV with C4 is probably on the same level of annoyingly cheesy as UCAVs

the real solution is to just get rid of both but whatever

[kind oak]

how about shovel gadget lol

[sour shadow]

Or just shoot them.

[rugged ledge]

that's a good idea in theory

[vital quail]

If someone uses Crawford with the intent of using the turret then they are playing him wrong

[low kayak]

i cant decide if i like new jets or old jets more

new jets more noob friendly

[chilly dove]

irish already drops cover. kind of the same thing

[rugged ledge]

it'd be interesting to have large form factor drones that control like new jets with manned jets using the old controls

[austere niche]

WHAT

[pine roost]

so the draugr?

[rugged ledge]

essentially

[low kayak]

unmanned jets too near future

they aint gonna do that

[rugged ledge]

reread what i said

[pine roost]

doesn't really change anything. Just means you can't get out of it

[low kayak]

i read what you said

correct and it doesnt make sense

theyre not in active deployment

[rugged ledge]

no you didn't, because i said drones as well as manned jets

[chilly dove]

the draugr is essentially the S-70 ohtnik from russia. it exists right now

[sour shadow]

Number built: 2

[kind oak]

Drones are like the biggest thing in modern warfare

[rugged ledge]

also yeah generally your larger drones are on the same scale as a small airplane so it would make sense to have them control similar to planes, with concessions made to make them easier to fly as training wheels for newbie pilots

[low kayak]

massive aircraft drones are still in prototype

[rugged ledge]

i agree in spirit but in fairness battlefield has always used prototypes that essentially don't exist as anything other than conjecture

[low kayak]

unless its gonna be near future again thats not happening

russia is running old ass gear lets not pretend S70s are everywhere

drones are in modern warfare in the small variety rn

thats it

[rugged ledge]

predator drones

[low kayak]

not talking about predators

[sour shadow]

Do people LIKE that though?

[kind oak]

maybe your character will make improvised drone

[pine roost]

I do hope they revert back to the tightness of bf1's flight model, the lateral drift in 2042 is just so annoying and only became bearable right near the end

[rugged ledge]

i was/am

[rugged ledge]

yeah lol

[sour shadow]

Must be true then

[rugged ledge]

xm25, underbarrel shotguns before they matured, SCARs, MAVs,

[kind oak]

and turtle tanks lol

[rugged ledge]

they're more toys to dick around with

[chilly dove]

don't forget, the predator is a big combat drone that shoots missiles

[low kayak]

and it does not fly in contested airspaces...

its would be like the bf3 ac130 at best

[pine roost]

just no wall scans and constant detections plz, me no likey

[rugged ledge]

when it's too extreme like straight up unmanned jets i agree that they shouldn't be in the game but battlefield has pretty consistently used technology that functionally doesn't exist to push gameplay concepts

[pine roost]

there will be cheese gadgets by default, it's just the nature of the game, but stuff that eliminates the need to really think just gets dull

[kind oak]

Predator drones can drop bladed missiles to

[sour shadow]

Oh god the XM25? We enjoyed that did we?

[rugged ledge]

i don't know why you're speaking french, there's no "we" in this equation

[sour shadow]

Well I asked if 'people' enjoyed it. Not just you. The plural is required.

[rugged ledge]

i, personally, think the XM25 is just kinda boring and not fun to use, but it's also one of the more enduringly popular gadgets in the games it exists within

so doubtlessly there are people who do actually like it

[pine roost]

it's fun to use in an evil way

[low kayak]

xm25 goated

[sour shadow]

OK so the example you gave of if people enjoyed experimental tools is a tool that you didn't enjoy.

[rugged ledge]

correct

[chilly dove]

yeah I agree. I may not personally like it preference wise, but i could make a completely viable set up around it and see why people would want to use it

[rugged ledge]

i'm capable of understanding that people enjoy things that i personally don't

[random mason]

Hey guys, I know most people don't like Lis rockets. What's bad about them?

[rugged ledge]

this is why i want sniper rifles to be in the game

[abstract frost]

Hello Fr here ? 🇫🇷

[pine roost]

strange, usually people here don't

[chilly dove]

if only more gamers were understanding of this

[sour shadow]

OK so everything is enjoyable. Put it all in the game.
Battlefield Labs irrelevant

[fading horizon]

pray my mouse works in the next battlefield

[rugged ledge]

see you're trolling but this is an opportunity to make a great point because, no, sometimes you shouldn't add something just because it would be liked by a segment of players or even most players

in terms of the game's theming unmanned jets are an obvious example but things like tactical nukes

[sour shadow]

Disagreeing with you isn't trolling. I wish more gamers were understanding of this.

[rugged ledge]

as well as lighter adjustments like balancing the XM25 downwards if the playerbase generally finds it more frustrating than fun

[abstract frost]

I Hope they don’t mess up this time…

[sour shadow]

We all do, buddy.
Hopefully there's a scoreboard at launch!

[abstract frost]

Yes 🤣🤣

[chilly dove]

yeah the nuke in cod was even more annoying because it actually ended the round. Like "excuse me, I want to keep playing"

[low kayak]

im hoping for some witty end of game voice lines

and emotes

dancing boris

[junior prairie]

hey, so iv done stats a few times, but its showing me aorx 30 levels behind, anyone else having this problem ?>?

[rugged ledge]

if battlefield 2025 doesn't have boris doing the default dance it will be a 0/10

[kind oak]

I hope we dont get cartoony costumes in the store like COD

[rugged ledge]

personally i think arma 3 has managed to prove that there is an enduring market for Tacticool Barbie™️ so hopefully New Battlefield Game™️ learns the same lesson

[random mason]

BF2042 has mostly stayed on point this way, almost everyone looks like they could be in a warzone somehow

With a couple exceptions

[chilly dove]

yeah balance control is important. when i see a zain, i definitely respect his existence if i'm in mid range so i repoisition if he knows where i am

[pine roost]

same goes for ghost recon. That sub is just people showing off their dress up. I know I don't care for that at all as long as there is some thematic consistency, but I too know people who go crazy for it

[low kayak]

they get a little fruity but yeah theres a decent amount of good ones

[sour shadow]

That was only due to extreme backlash. Which needs to be kept consistent.

[rugged ledge]

i also subjectively think that MAV C4 was hilarious and wish it wasn't removed; all the same, it being removed was a good idea and healthy for BF3

[low kayak]

annoying thing is all the paid skins are typically one weird camo and so now im liz running through a desert in arctic drip or a lush green ghillie in a tundra

need more adaptive camo evolution from bf4

[rustic roost]

ngl i just wanna grind a 1000 tier battle pass

[rugged ledge]

imo 4's biggest issue was a lack of granular customization for Your Dude which should've been the visual design direction for 2042

stuff like slightly different visors, helmets, body armor, camos

[chilly dove]

the 2042 edition of casper hopping on his own drown and flying to the top of the skybox to snipe down on people though lmao

[rugged ledge]

well not 4's biggest issue, 4's biggest character customization issue

[pine roost]

speaking of, one thing about customisation I do actually want is climate based texture loadouts. Adaptive camo works wonders but just making it so you aren't accidentally snow coloured against the desert

[sour shadow]

OK I was about to say... "THE BIGGEST ISSUE???"

[vital quail]

There are like 4 different color variations of the same default outfit

[low kayak]

im talking about them inevitably selling skins

[pine roost]

They could completely strip out any form of customisation and I wouldn't care in the slightest, but this at least can be considered QOL

[rugged ledge]

4's biggest issue imo is its mediocre to slightly below par map design

[low kayak]

would be nice if they made them all adaptive (not gonna happen)

[sour shadow]

... wha-

Thank god these are subjective.

[rugged ledge]

to be clear it's still leagues better than 2042 on launch and 4 had some banger DLC maps but it also feels like a sharp decrease in quality from 3

[low kayak]

4's maps were inferior nah hes right

3 smoked its entire map pool easily

[rugged ledge]

3's DLC maps were peak

[sour shadow]

Inferior to 'peak' doesn't mean it's mediocre.

[kind oak]

or preselect skins based on climates

[chilly dove]

Alborz Mountains was so good

[frosty gull]

Hiii, anyone want to play?

[low sierra]

Add BF STUDIO for replay videos

[random mason]

I rather liked BFV's maps

Rotterdam was wild

[rugged ledge]

the biggest highlight of 4's maps are levolution but i also think the mechanic in hindsight limited a lot of creative effort that could've gone to better map design

[random mason]

Ribeyrolles my beloved, .22 go brrrrt

[rugged ledge]

generally they're just kinda boring to me, in addition to occasionally being somewhat poorly balanced

[sour shadow]

I don't know if I have to qualify that this is subjective like you do, but I find accepting 'fun but not perfect' to be a better experience.

I think that's just setting yourself up to be disappointed.
Not that that means you need to accept slop.

[chilly dove]

there was this one map that was definitely overplayed, all i remember was the sites were in the layout of a ships anchor. and it had a train you could ride. as cool as that was, it had no flow at all for anyone considering using a close range weapon (which didn't matter for me since i was good at DMRs/snipers/long barrel) but it did feel like if i were to pick a smg or close range rifle, I had very limited play options on that map

[rugged ledge]

that's kind of the thing though, BF4's maps sold themselves on being fun the small handful of times levolution is a new concept to you and after that the extremely small number of times levolution actually changes up a match in an interesting way

[random mason]

All lowercase bold

[sour shadow]

I don't know what you're trying to say here.
BF4 fun or not?

[rugged ledge]

i'd just prefer maps that i have fun on practically every time rather than maps that get old really quickly and stop being interesting

[random mason]

BF4 fun, BFV fun, BF2042 fun, titan mode still missing

[rugged ledge]

BF4 is still the highlight of the series, it's just also in spite of its maps rather than because of them

[sour shadow]

Is this a Tik Tok has ruined your attention span issue or a game design issue?

[kind oak]

My biggest worry now is the go to much towards COD

[craggy harbor]

I really liked the cyan ui aesthetic for this one

[random mason]

Didn't they try that with Hardline or something and it flopped hard?

[sour shadow]

It was also a REALLY weird theme they went for.

[chilly dove]

i still think BF3 is the highlight of the series for me. Battlefield 4 was leaning into weird restrictions, especially server administrator restrictions. "No sniping! No RPG! No crouching! Hey, you aren't allowed to stop moving! No shotguns! No grenades" servers all over the place

and half of them were lockers/metro 24/7 servers

[rugged ledge]

it's pretty solidly a game design issue when a map is intended mostly to be a fireworks show bundled alongside a lacklustre playable area because the fireworks cost too much to touch it up

[sour shadow]

Do you even like Battlefield? haha

[pine roost]

the highest critiques often come from those who love something the most

[rotund ridge]

Which one? 😁

[rugged ledge]

i think 4 ultimately refined 3 in ways that added to the game to the point that it's still the better of the two games

[sour shadow]

Hard to distinguish though.

[autumn dune]

Hello guy's

all good?

[half solstice]

agreed

[chilly dove]

from a raw content wise, looking back on Battlefeild 4 i think it was good. But i also still think 3's DLC and the gameplay feel outclassed 4

[rugged ledge]

it just also made pretty harsh concessions on overall theming and its map design decisions that make it a closer contest that it should be

[rugged ledge]

yeah that's another way i'd sum it up

[rotund ridge]

Infantry in bf3 always felt good. Not as good as bf Vietnam though

[sour shadow]

I feel like that might be a universal take.

[craggy harbor]

They should throw out their current engine and return to refractor 2 imo

[proper coral]

What we really need is peek and lean

[cedar stag]

Hi guys!

I came here to ask: Is Battlefield 2042 still relevant? I'm looking for a new game to play, and I want to know (honestly) if there is still activity on the servers.

[pine roost]

you can still play it

[proper coral]

IDK who thought it was a good idea to get rid of peek and lean for 2042

[sour shadow]

Yeah it's fun.

[rugged ledge]

the new battlefield game should just be '83

[kind oak]

Bf2042 is fun yes,

[rugged ledge]

EA should commit copyright infringement against blue dot games and just make '83

[solar mist]

delta force

[autumn dune]

i dont think so

[craggy harbor]

'83 but '42

[autumn dune]

New game is present day i think

[rugged ledge]

i think a cold war era battlefield game would fuck hard

i don't think we're getting one but it'd be neat

[kind oak]

if you try 2042 now your lucky, you missed the worst of it

[sour shadow]

I think they're saying it's what it should be rather than what will happen.

[radiant zealot]

new update new bugs, got stuck on 28hp and couldnt use self heal or would autoheal

[abstract night]

Set it in like the 80s and I’d play it

[pine roost]

i know little about it but it seems like something that can feature semi modern stuff without the gadgets that make it unfun

[half solstice]

I think its fine that the next battlefield is: Battlefield 4(2)

[autumn dune]

agree

[rugged ledge]

the cold war- specifically the late cold war- was packed full of weird niche gadgets that you can justify putting in battlefield for reasons we've gone over but also had a pretty distinct vibe

[sour shadow]

... such as?

[rugged ledge]

also no the joke was that EA should steal the intellectual property of blue dot games, who are producing '83

[arctic grove]

Всем привет

[jade rampart]

I hope for a new BF3. No one likes modern futuristic op weapons

[pine roost]

no idea what that game's like admittedly

[floral sequoia]

how do i report feedback

[rotund ridge]

Game runs garbage for me. 70% of games have server desync (or something) ! Other games run fine.

[floral sequoia]

just got here

[rugged ledge]

it's rising storm 2 in the cold war

it's also not out yet

[pine roost]

I just don't really want stuff like airburst, turrets, assassins creed eagle vision and the like

[abstract night]

2042 was never well optimized. I’m glad we are in the end stages of being past it for good

[sour shadow]

Eagle vision is just a drone with a camera attached. Which has existed since... a long time.

[pine roost]

that's not what I meant

paik scan

[chilly dove]

And THIS is the other big issue people don't talk about enough. 2042 is one of the worst optimized / buggy to run games i've ever installed

[sour shadow]

It's what it is though.

[jade rampart]

i would like cold war era like bf3

[rotund ridge]

Oddly bf2142 had all sorts in it and yet was the most fun bf game for me

[abstract night]

BF3 was more 2nd Iraq war-ish

[pine roost]

I was referring to assassin's creed's eagle vision, not actually having a camera in the sky

[celest granite]

Btf 3 needs to come back ASAP

[sour shadow]

Oh you're talking about the scan. Not the ACTUAL time you look through an eagles eyes.

[abstract night]

You can still play it, but it’s good that the next game is (probably) a good spiritual successor

[remote kiln]

you are playing 128 player servers correct?

[pine roost]

yeye, the scan, not the drone. I just dislike gadgets that reveal silohettes through walls. Just takes out the requirement to obtain that info yourself and manage lacking it

[rugged ledge]

battlefield 4 is still perfectly playable and has consistently decent player counts

of those, a decent chunk are not experienced players

[pine roost]

it's movement is enough to keep me playing

[celest granite]

@abstract night we hope so

[rotund ridge]

Played over a 1000 hours and servers don’t seem to matter. BFV plays fine. Quite a few people have had similar issues with 2042 but weirdly not everyone.

[rugged ledge]

yeah i think the big innovation that New Battlefield Game™️ could make would be downgrading its movement to be somewhere between BF4 and Squad

take the lessons squad has learned about specific climbable objects like fences then make its movement mechanics actually fun by giving it battlefield speed

[pine roost]

well bf4's is pretty far from squad, so what exactly did you have in mind?

[sour shadow]

That would be mental for that to be included in the next Battlefield based on the assumed setting.
Hopefully they don't.

[jade rampart]

The really only think that wasnt that much fun in bf3 was the basrape on maps like oman where it felt impossible to restore from

[remote kiln]

it will be most prolific on 128 player servers conquest large or other types, there is too many entities going on that it can't sustain the tick rate it targets, stick to 64 player servers to avoid problems

[rugged ledge]

things like mantling fences, midair mantles, holding space to climb on top of stuff

[sour shadow]

They want it to be Arma but not. And Squad but also not Squad. And then BF4 but more like BF3.

[rugged ledge]

squad really wholeass is just an iterative improvement on what BF3 had figured out, with all the dials set lower to try and facilitate a different gameplay feel

[pine roost]

that with airstrafe would be good, better mantling like v had would just be a straight improvement

[rugged ledge]

so take the same thing, fix the issues squad still hasn't fixed because it's a garbage fire, and balance it around faster movement

tl;dr rip off battlebit remastered

[rotund ridge]

Issue is I could have the desync while others I’m in a squad with are running Perfectly fine. But yes BF cannot handle 128 players well enough. Could be the engine

[ember marlin]

I prefer being able to have something like squad, just not entirely as in depth as some of its vehicle mechanics and things are for it but the feeling of working together as a team sits well with me

[remote kiln]

its not the engine, just it's too intensive for the server to process at once, you see it most on rush XL, this is why they have canned 128 and are sticking to 64 for the next game

[sour shadow]

You can do that now. Open voice comms.

[brittle wind]

Ballistic knives

[chilly dove]

also i don't care how many players the game rounds support, 64 or 128 or w/e. Just no bots, plz. ew. yuck

[remote kiln]

bots are not a bad thing, they are when they can be used for xp farms, but they're meh overall

[sour shadow]

I swear to god if they get rid of bots I'm not buying this game.

[kind oak]

it will be smaller maps to

[brittle wind]

I want BFV movement honestly

[rotund ridge]

Gone back to BFV and it did a lot right

[kind oak]

I probably played BFV more than any, but i love WWII stuff .great game, but felt unfinished

[sour shadow]

Why would you not want bots? Do we enjoy half empty servers??

[chilly dove]

I mean... I just don't feel the need to have these weak aimbotting robotic fools that spawn in weird places and notice you places that players wouldn't. Maybe bots in lower lobbies but after a certain player count threshold met, like 50% full server, bots vanish. and yes, unblocked

[sour shadow]

It's a stop-gap.

[sour shadow]

Well welcome back to contrary opinions.
How about a compromise?
Bots vanish.. when the server is full?

Neat.

[rugged ledge]

tbh bots feel like the most patronizing shit and i dislike that they're in the game on principle

[abstract night]

I never felt too strongly about bots in battlefield. They’re easy kills and they help out a lot with team counts

[kind oak]

it wont need bots if its good

[sour shadow]

Ugh

[sour shadow]

So there's no harm in including them then!

[pine roost]

not fun to kill, not fun to die to, doesn't add anything to 'atmosphere' when you can spot them from a mile away

[abstract night]

This is a valid argument, but I think bots can still be helpful for offline/local play

[rugged ledge]

i think they're probably good for the game because they give you something to fidget with during downtime where players aren't in the lobby yet but they induce just, a kind of mouth feel of lameness

[pine roost]

oh yeah defo keep the solo mode for onboarding

[chilly dove]

we already have that for bots right now in 2042, they already ruin cool moments... and for the record, it was cuz you still took me completely out of context/misunderstood me before and were driving criticism at me based on that. It got annoying

[kind oak]

id rather have bots than empty

[sour shadow]

You can have that or half empty servers.

[pine roost]

would rather half empty servers

[rugged ledge]

yeah

[tired saddle]

yea the bots are horrible

[sour shadow]

Maybe you just didn't express yourself clearly.
And yeah man, I'm aware it's in 2042. That was the joke. Keep it like it is in 2042.

[abstract night]

Half empty servers in a battlefield game would be even more lame though

[chilly dove]

ah ok, gotcha

[sour shadow]

Insanely damaging to the game.

[abstract night]

You wouldn’t be able to find literally anything to shoot

[tired saddle]

thats the result of a bad game tho

it got fixed but still

[rugged ledge]

eh, i think in 3 and 4 even full servers have a lot of dead space

[kind oak]

i slaughtered so many bots today with bradley 50cal thermal lol

[sour shadow]

Yeah this is "I'd rather shoot nothing than have to face myself after dying to a bot!"

[rugged ledge]

it's a good thing about their design and feels very intentional

[remote kiln]

they won't get rid of bots because they were made by SEED, not DICE, so they are a integral core technology from EA

[abstract night]

Not necessarily, it can just be in any small pop server (especially if we get a server browser back)

[rugged ledge]

you can end up finding fights by going to caps, or by picking fights with anything in sight, or you can choose to deliberately avoid fights

[abstract night]

also no it didn’t

[abstract night]

Bots are only really annoying on vehicles but that’s about it

[rugged ledge]

that this is somewhat integral also means less full servers have less of an impact on moment to moment gameplay though they do still unfortunately have that impact

[chilly dove]

Actually, it's not damaging to the game to have low population servers without bots imo. What's damaging is being unable to play the game until say 32 people join a server... THAT is damaging to the game.

[sour shadow]

Again, you won't know it's a bad game until launch.

[tired saddle]

the game feels 10 times better than launch, i preordered for like 120 and regretted it soooooo bad lmaoo

[sour shadow]

And maybe let's not assume it'll be a good game.

[tired saddle]

i have a good feeling about this one

[rugged ledge]

oh i'm assuming this game will suck

[tired saddle]

just saying 2042

[rugged ledge]

i had confidence 2042 might not and i was incorrect

[sour shadow]

You must do great at casinos

[tired saddle]

i dont lmao

[chilly dove]

if me and 1 other person are on a map, let us have our 1 v 1 war, or hang out with the BF sandbox, until more people join. that is battlefield.

[kind oak]

i skipped a year or 2, i also preordered it. now i like it

[sour shadow]

OK so maybe we don't take your intuition then...

[rugged ledge]

my concern is that EA won't keep their finger out of the pie and we'll see the game die a slow death fighting the same dragons 2042 was saddled with its entire lifespan

[tired saddle]

it looks like bf3 and 4 together

the new trailer

[sour shadow]

That sounds so hella lame. I can't even comprehend that.

[round cedar]

im surpized there arent 200,000 people in this chat.

[abstract night]

Not 200,000 but still too many

[sour shadow]

Be the change you wish to see

[abstract night]

I meant the racist trolls

[wide shard]

Hazard zone was more fun when it launched

[round cedar]

it said 200,00 member. 50,000 in chat

[rugged ledge]

it's implicitly hilarious that the only usable channel on the server is the 2042 channel

[vital quail]

~40k new members joined today

So far

[round cedar]

only 50

[sour shadow]

Why did something happen?

[rugged ledge]

no

[abstract night]

3 seconds of new bottle fiel gameplay

[chilly dove]

at high level, there was very intense 1v1s happening for Battlefield. While it wasn't my cup of tea, I never knocked it. tried it and i understood it. Norshahr canals comes to mind, also would you rather sit in a lobby waiting for people to looking at 1 or 4 soldiers standing around?

or would you rather just join a server and be able to spawn in,playing and then have more join after instead of waiting.

[sour shadow]

Right but... you can just do that? You can join an empty server.
You don't need to remove something from the game that other people enjoy.
Portal exists. Make an empty server.

[abstract night]

video games are pretty simple: shoot virtual guy, he die, dopamine producing screen effect, i dont think it should be delayed forever if we have no bots

[sour shadow]

Also not everyone is playing BF high level. I don't understand why that has to be explained.

[brittle wind]

I hope bots will stay dumb honestly, I don't want real player-like bots in an online FPS game

Bots are already annoying with SVK lol

[tired saddle]

if i cant blow up buildings i dont want it lol

[chilly dove]

protal exists, put bots there. there are compromises between our sides ya know

[abstract night]

maybe with this new game, we'll get the destruction dice showcased in 2020 then refused to elaborate on

[round cedar]

i hope they have a hardcore mode. completely different game that way.

[tired saddle]

i didnt know abt that, sounds promising

[sour shadow]

So you're agreeing with me. Thanks. Bots stay. You just use Portal. Neat.

[abstract night]

it was a short gif that showed an apartment complex size building falling down

[tired saddle]

if the game is good enough they wont need bots tbh

[sour shadow]

Again, something that is not discoverable until launch.

[chilly dove]

I've seen people having fun at low level, at all levels in 1v1s. again, you may not understand it or enjoy it, but people do have fun in things you might not like. Stay chill

[remote kiln]

they were, for a period of the time at launch so deadly that they were more powerful than actual players, aimbotting through walls, instant reaction times it was kind of funny

[sour shadow]

It's 8am. I promise you I'm chill.

[vital quail]

Bots will shoot a shotgun at you from 100m+ out

[sour shadow]

I don't know why you're campaigning for 1v1 servers to be prevalent. I just... wouldn't do that.

[brittle wind]

Then you throw a smoke grenade and they can't even see you while you are 1 meter in front of them

[chilly dove]

i'm not doing that. You're taking me out of context. Again.

[tired saddle]

the destruction they had on bf4 in 2014 or wtv year that was was amazingggg, just imagine what they could do in 2025 if they really tried

[sour shadow]

OK. Want to take another crack at it?

Just leaves bots in the game. Doesn't hurt. You can shoot them, you know?

[kind oak]

I think old BF moderncombat servers would do 1v1 i may be wrong though

[sour shadow]

Imagine doing 1v1 on Hourglass right now. The hell?

"Peak gameplaaaaay!"

[quaint creek]

I am trying to get in the new battle field but on my PlayStation but it says that I have to prove that I am human and I do their little test and to no avail I can’t get in can anyone please help

[abstract night]

I would hope that with returning to 64p and MAYBE dropping ps4/xb1 they can do it

[sour shadow]

Sorry Chuck. We didn't want to tell you this... but you're a bot.
Gausta is going to remove you from the next Battlefield game.

[chilly dove]

For you, sure. I know others got it. I said that when someone hops on the next battlefield game, they shouldn't have to sit in a waiting room until 32 players join. they should be able to join the match even at 1 or 2 players online. To be able to practice with the vehicles/weapons/map atleast, to engage in the fun of low population battles or just hang out until more get in.

[random mason]

BFV's destruction was really good too. Every time I rushed through the rooms of a house as a tank evaporated the walls behind me was a rush

[sour shadow]

Is there any part of that that means bots are bad?

[tired saddle]

facts its 2025, the xb1/ps4 are the new 360 and ps3

[chilly dove]

I just added extra context saying that even 2 player bf games can be fun explaining that I and others have had fun at 2 player online bf, compared to sitting in a waiting room.

[kind oak]

Its possible to have dynamic destruction effects im sure, based on hardware

[sour shadow]

Which you can still achieve in 2042 despite bots existing.
So why remove bots?

[abstract night]

Don’t get me wrong I loved my ps4 but it’s ridiculous how much they’re holding back newer titles. Which makes sense because of how many people are still on those last gen consoles, but their hardware is super old

[tired saddle]

i played a game for a good 20 minutes the other day just to realize i was the only real person in the game

fuck bots lmaoo

[brittle wind]

BFV had dynamic destruction too, like if you blew up a house from inside or from outside destruction was different

[sour shadow]

This is the part where he realises he started a single player match...

[tired saddle]

nah

it was online

game is just dead at 4am

[sour shadow]

I feel like this is usererror...

[chilly dove]

actually, in the main channel you can't play in a room until 32 join for modes like conquest 128 which has a specific map channel. and @pine roost already nailed the annoyance with bots perfectly, and i pointed stuff out about them too. They're unfun to kill, unfun to die to, weird, clunky, they don't follow enough orders, they're farm tools for kdr round sweats etc etc

[abstract night]

Every BF had decently dynamic destruction except for 2042 which basically thanos snapped it for the sake of performance, I expect the next game to have pretty decent destruction since they’re only really going back to basics with new tech

[sour shadow]

But remember how Portal exists?

[brittle wind]

I hope so, 2042 with BFV tier destruction would be even more unplayable honestly, imagine destroying what small cover those maps has

[abstract night]

They could technically add fortifications back

[sour shadow]

Neat!

[chilly dove]

and remember how i'm talking about the next games main channel main / main focus? Portal is simply not as popular as the main channel in 2042.

[sour shadow]

So?

[chilly dove]

bots are annoying in the main channel, imo and the opinion of others.

[brittle wind]

Fortifications aren't really the same because you also can destroy them, they are most useful in breakthrough when you want to waste attackers' time

[tired saddle]

portal is the only way for me to find more than 5 real players

[sour shadow]

Very small minority will use the discord of the game. I promise you that.

Also a very vocal minority. Obviously.

I just don't think I've ever been sad about bots.
Especially given every human medic player was lobotomised.
Get rezzed by bots more than players.

[vital quail]

That is literally every battlefield game

[brittle wind]

I think it looks great

[chilly dove]

it's a wider detraction than you think, but just like you asked me why i want bots gone, why do you want bots so badly?

[sour shadow]

See above

[vital quail]

A scripted levolution event is different

B? Flag on paracel storm has 3 identical 2 story buildings that all collapse the same way

[chilly dove]

heh, rezzing. Ok. Just double checking, is that because you enjoy that bots help your KDR or because... somehow on the servers you play, bots are actively resurrecting you objectives for ever so important win?... heh. I will admit 1 thing bots are good for is dropping ammo on command (sometimes)

[vital quail]

Yes they are all the same asset, empty building that collapse the same way

Haven in 2042 is similar

I don't think they collapse but it's all empty buildings that have the same destruction on the walls

Arica harbor is the same thing

But bc2 map so it's good apparently

[sour shadow]

Being revived is a pretty core part of Battlefield, I'd wager. There's a whole class around it.
It's also pretty NOT GREAT to have nothing to shoot.
So I'd gamble on "just in clude the bots, and if the games good... the servers will be full anyway! And if you want to 1v1 (WHICH IS SO NICHE) then use Portal.

[chilly dove]

like even though some people might see resurrection near / in combat as some sort of amazing great thing as opposed to just dying and coming back in, there's so little of a difference in the fundamental game mechanics. Like... we can literally magically appear on squad members/in their vehicles, in sites, on spawn beacons etc

[tame radish]

Should I sign up for battlefield 2042 labs???

[abstract night]

We should also remember that being revived can really help your k/d ratio as well

[brittle wind]

250K people are waiting in line appearently lol

[abstract night]

Nvm I just saw guasta mention it

I’ll return to stalking chat

[chilly dove]

lol i know... but some people heh

[sour shadow]

Then why am I more excited to see a bot medic near me than a player?

[tame radish]

Really that's hilarious

[abstract night]

Is it even worth it to try to sign up then

[brittle wind]

I will try to even when I'm not getting ''first tests'' I will most likely play later tests in like 3-6 months

[chilly dove]

i mess around SO much that it just doesn't matter to me. experimenting and getting hilarious/amazing kills or sub objectives is what makes this BF sandbox so good. again, to each their own

[abstract night]

KD is pretty meaningless in BF but it’s still one of those feel good things to look at

I guess but I don’t get that crazy about it

[chilly dove]

but i can also do the KDR care thing too. i think i've gone infantry only style 28-0 on sundance in a complete round on conquest 128. like actually playing, and interestingly enough, no rezs or back of the map camping

[warm tusk]

so many other important scores to worry about

[sour shadow]

I don't even check it. That's not the 'game' for me. Being able to play the game is the game for me. And an empty server and laying on the ground un-revived are both counters to that.

[chilly dove]

sure we all join a round and try to not die and and bots help the "not die" factor a bit more since they rez more reliably. But lets bet honest here, you died bro. you diiied 😉