battlefield-2042

[warm glacier]

What does mastery do

[limpid pond]

Yeah the strafing thing got hit though no?

[ancient junco]

That explains a lot bruh I didn’t know he got nerfed

[warm glacier]

I’m mastery 0 in almost all of them

[limpid pond]

Give you a cool skin

[warm glacier]

Oh

[limpid pond]

Yeah I think they neefed him like season 4 or so

I don't remember

[ancient junco]

Good thing I mastered him before lmao

[limpid pond]

All I know is I was a paik main so I was worse than the Mackay users

Pre nerf paik was the most fking op thing ever

[ancient junco]

I don’t remember what paik did

[limpid pond]

3 med pens long wall hacks fast cool down

[ancient junco]

Ohh

[limpid pond]

Yeah I was the most annoying mfer

[brittle wind]

I did, she's pretty good in CQC maps

[limpid pond]

Literally threw a smoke every 10 feet then walls

[limpid pond]

Yeah but she's cheesy

[brittle wind]

Yeah

[limpid pond]

After I got out of being a meta slave I don't use her often

[ancient junco]

I mean Sundance was better before with that annoying grenade she had

[limpid pond]

I use Casper for recon if I plan on pushing

[brittle wind]

Crawford T1 is going to be a nightmare lol

[limpid pond]

Yeah and she had like 3 of each of them

[brittle wind]

No one tries to revive me, or tries to shoot the enemies I damaged

[limpid pond]

Redacted brother. All you can do is play and pray

[brittle wind]

I'm doing that too

[ancient junco]

I play a lot of Crawford for the rpg and never use the minigun

[limpid pond]

Yeah I use a different cheese. I main falck.

[brittle wind]

Well I'm trying to get T1 so I have to use minigun

[limpid pond]

Oh I'm 1 shot oh I'm not 1 shot you're dead

[ancient junco]

Falck is very very good

[limpid pond]

Falck is arguably the best

[ancient junco]

Infinite meds and ammo ez

[brittle wind]

Falck is a crutch

[limpid pond]

The only reason I use her is because every single game I'm a 1 man army

[brittle wind]

That's why I don't like using her

[ancient junco]

I will never understand people who have Medkit with falck bruh

[limpid pond]

I can do it with boris

Nah gotta run muni box

I res alot though don't get it twisted

[ancient junco]

It’s the most ez op to use

[warm glacier]

Why does this game decide to spawn me in fuck all africa when i click on a sector

[ancient junco]

Squad mates exist

[limpid pond]

Yeah for like 2 seconds before they're in combat or dead

[ancient junco]

That too

[limpid pond]

I had a game yesterday I was 120 and 30 and my teammate was 15 and 39

[ancient junco]

Damn

[limpid pond]

Brother was critically down bad

[ancient junco]

Yeah don’t worry I had a teammate has a tank gunner that went negative while I went 50-0

[limpid pond]

I'm literally the only mfer that pushes in 90% of the games

[ancient junco]

Oh yes people just love to camp

[limpid pond]

Pretty sure every teammate I really get is neg

[ancient junco]

I hate when I want to grab a tank or something and my teammates are fk camping with them at base

[limpid pond]

Not 100% true but ya know what I mean

Yeah I don't use vehicles but anytime I see one they're in spawn or getting blow up

Mfers drive a mav into enemy spawn

[ancient junco]

My begging for an engineer to push objective and help team, my teammates decides to go has a fk sniper

[limpid pond]

Next things you know it's 8 c4's 15 rpgs and some tank mines

[ancient junco]

People think tanks are op idk why

[vocal tusk]

Vehicles suck in 2042, you basically HAVE to camp or youll get insta deleted by C5

[ancient junco]

Every vehicle is op if you know how to play it

[limpid pond]

They kinda mitigated that with the quantity c5 nerf

[vocal tusk]

Na, the tanks in 2042 are terrible unless you camp

[brittle wind]

Sundance is lowkey the best operator against tanks

[limpid pond]

I use to specifically switch to Mackay drop on a tank blow it up then redeploy

[vocal tusk]

Engineers still get 3, and 2 on the rear of a tank will insta kill it anyway

[ancient junco]

Nah the IFV and the tank with weels are pretty good

[vocal tusk]

The RAM is fine because its fast and can turn on a dime. But the MBTs in 2042 are crap

[limpid pond]

Wait 2 c5 on the back kills it?

[ancient junco]

Who tf uses C5 has engineer instead of rpg ????

[limpid pond]

Idk either

[brittle wind]

Lis players

[limpid pond]

I always use rpg on engineer

[warm glacier]

No point when the camp behind

[limpid pond]

Ohhhhhh right lis is a specialist

I gotta t1 her too but I won't

[ancient junco]

Well that’s something I wish I’ve knew a long time ago

[brittle wind]

It's easy if you do tank superiority

I got it in like 2 days

[vocal tusk]

Yes, all armor takes different damage based on placement. Same as every other BF game.

the most damage on the rear, mediaum damage on sides and top, least on the front

[limpid pond]

Well I'm 99% medic so it's useful now when I need kill tanks rq

[vocal tusk]

Same with rocket impact point, youll do 1/5x damage with a rear shot

[ancient junco]

C4 did the same dmg everywhere on bf4 and bf3

[limpid pond]

Back to swaping to mackay blow up tank then redeploy

[chilly jacinth]

Tanks require a squad -1 in them to be fully effective

Running em solo is pure pain

[ancient junco]

You just need a gunner/enginneer and a good driver

[ancient junco]

Yes

[spiral stratus]

Latest patch made instability issues for PC players and buffed aim assist for consols

[limpid pond]

Yeah I don't have a single vehicle t1d

Closest I got it the latv recon

And that's because I bought a cool skin for it

[ancient junco]

I mean most vehicles are ass in bf2042

[brittle wind]

I never liked vehicles in BF games, besides mechs in 2142 lol

[limpid pond]

Yeah except choppers but I die to vehicles so much it's insane

[ancient junco]

I hate how the air vehicles function in bf2042 and I loved to play has jets in bf4

[vocal tusk]

The Brawler is the most fun armor to play, as players are afraid to rush it due to close defence, and they know 3 C5 wont fully kill it anyway. Its how MBTs should be armor wise.

[ancient junco]

Yeah chopper ain’t that good too

[limpid pond]

I'm a advent vehicle hater

Bro they literally target me because I'm always up front

[vocal tusk]

MBTs should need 3 C5 on the rear to kill in this game. It would make them a lot better

[ancient junco]

It’s still ez too kill

[vocal tusk]

Or give them reactive armor as an option instead of APS/repair

[ancient junco]

Specially when you can have 5 rpgs

I wish reactive armor worked like bf3

[limpid pond]

Now the car brawler in the right hands I'd good

[vocal tusk]

Yeah, but you can only fire 1 RPG every 7 seconds. Instead of 4 secs to place 2/3 C5 and insta delete.

[limpid pond]

Cav

[ancient junco]

That’s the tank on wheels right ?

[limpid pond]

Yeah

[ancient junco]

That one is so fun to play imo

[vocal tusk]

Yeah, cos it has passive extra protection from mines and C5. It takes 5 C5 on the front/sides of a Brawler to kill it, plus it has close defence and APS

[limpid pond]

Shoots a weird pellet explosion if you try to c5 it

[ancient junco]

Wait I’m talking about the mini tank not the infantry carrying fridge

[limpid pond]

Hmmmmm mini tank?

The new bradley?

[ancient junco]

Btw why in tf did dice put the IFV on heavy armor instead of light armor like the AA tank

[ancient junco]

No the one with 4 wheels and a big gun

I forgot its name

[vital quail]

Because they are different vehicles for each faction

[limpid pond]

Oh the ram

[vital quail]

Probably easier that way

[limpid pond]

Yeah that's things annoying asf because they always kill me

[vocal tusk]

One of their Devs talked about it on Twitter. The placed them there because while they arent technically tanks, they also arent technically transports, and they dont have the option to make/add a new category.

So they placed them in the next best category, which matches how they perform. AKA, armor/tanks

[ancient junco]

They classified them has transport/light armor in all other bf

But they have an light armor category lol

the AA tank is there

Where the Ram used to be

[vocal tusk]

Other light armor doesnt play how these play tho, it would break the balance to put them there, as you'd have insanely high DPS armor available at the same time as tanks

[ancient junco]

What fk balance all other bf had them and they weren’t broken

You used to have 4 tanks and 2/3 IFV bruh

I never understood why they lowered so much the vehicles in this bf

[vocal tusk]

I already explained why, dont shoot the messenger. To me it makes perfect sense. They dont want to have 3 tanks, and then also 3 of these roaming the map at the same time (As thats possible given the slot allocation in 2042)

[ancient junco]

Nah I’m not blaming you don’t worry

It’s just stupid because we used to have a bunch of vehicles and now we barely have anything with a bigger amount of player bruh

[vocal tusk]

The game as it currently is contains a bunch of compromises basically. The original design likely couldnt be changed, or they didnt have the budget (Time/team wise) to fix it.

2042s issue is less the vehicle amounts, and more the fact that maps dont have per map vehicle availability. Which is tuned to the specific map (Some like Haven do, but 95% just have all vehicles, with X slots available per category)

[ancient junco]

Yeah that’s true they focused way too much on trying to be like cod instead of being bf

[vocal tusk]

That has nothign really to do with the state of the game now.

[ancient junco]

Yes I know the maps are smaller then previous battlefields

[vocal tusk]

They are not

[brittle wind]

Maps are biggest in the BF

[vocal tusk]

They are miles bigger

[brittle wind]

For the worse

[vocal tusk]

2042 has some of the biggest maps in franchise history, by a large margin haha

[ancient junco]

It doesn’t feel like it

[vocal tusk]

Do you only play 64p maps?

[ancient junco]

Almost no destruction, operators for example

[brittle wind]

All I want from 2042 contentwise is more vault weapon drops and T1 skins for vault weapons too

[abstract night]

Specialists, 2 runs (same speed btw, one just copies the look of tactical sprint in CoD and you can do it infinitely)

Probably some other smaller stuff I can’t think of atm

[brittle wind]

More destruction would turn 2042 maps into flat minecraft maps

[abstract night]

“It’ll make the maps flat” was always a bad argument against destruction to me. This wasn’t even true for most maps, and it’d help if guns weren’t lasers that can reach players 100 meters away anyways

[brittle wind]

Do they have same speed?

[ancient junco]

I still think the maps are smaller compared to some maps on armored kill in battlefield3 and like golmud in bf4, plus you used to be able to destroy everything on BFBC2 and almost everything in bf3/4 now you can barely destroy a wall

[brittle wind]

It's true for 2042 maps because they don't have hills or mountains to use as cover

90% of the maps are just flat

Then they have a huge power position with insane verticality

[ancient junco]

Dice forgot how to make good maps

[vocal tusk]

2042s issue with maps is due to scale (Too big), density(Too many large open spaces with nothing in them, AKA, no cover), weak points of interest (The actual flags are/were bad/boring), and aesthetic (No feeling of war/combat happening).

[brittle wind]

I dislike tac sprint

BF should have 1 running speed imo

[ancient junco]

Bf3/4 felt nothing like CoD and other before it neither

[brittle wind]

BC-BC2 is made to appeal to CoD audience

[ancient junco]

They tried to go for the CoD player base with bf2042 and failed blatantly

[ancient junco]

And yet it felt nothing like cod

[brittle wind]

Some of the smallest maps in the series, some of the least vehicles in the series, maps are 16v16 instead of 32v32

Or was it 12v12? I don't remember

[ancient junco]

Well at the time it was what most systems could handle

[ancient junco]

12v12

[brittle wind]

CoD has 10v10 maps too lol, so how is 2042 more CoD-like than BC?

[ancient junco]

You don’t have a third of destruction in bf2042 that you had in bc lol

Plus vehicles where way more enjoyable back then

Yeah and it sucked ass ground war

Yet it was horrible

I know I played it all the time in ps3 lol

And I used to love it

It was way better then bf2042

Bf3 and bf4 also ran on ps3 and xbox360

And still it was better then bf2042

[stone cradle]

BF4 certainly 'ran' on those consoles

It certainly was one of the game ports of all time

[brittle wind]

BF3 and 4 had less destruction than BC too

[ancient junco]

Yes but it was still fun to play and bf2042 still has less destruction then bf3 and 4 lol

[brittle wind]

Yeah

[ancient junco]

It did I played it there for years

No neither do I wish to

I play it on ps5

[brittle wind]

I'm not the biggest fan of destruction honestly, some people just wants to turn maps into flatlands, destruction is cool when it's done tastefully

As an infantry main it would just make me quit the game when server turns into a flat wasteland

[ancient junco]

Go play cod then if you don’t like destruction, most players in bf like destruction it’s one of the main reasons people played battlefield

[brittle wind]

I dislike CoD due to SBMM

[abstract night]

That’s fair I mean 2042 maps are really infamous for their design so yeah I get you

[ancient junco]

You do know battlefield has sbmm

[brittle wind]

Nah

It doesn't

[abstract night]

But in previous games this wasn’t nearly as much of a problem so I never understood the argument

[ancient junco]

At least it use to have

[vocal tusk]

Yeah, you have legit never played a BF game with statements liek this hahaha

[ancient junco]

It had on bf3 and 4 lol

[vocal tusk]

No BF game has SBMM

[stone cradle]

[brittle wind]

How can a game have SBMM with server browsers lol?

[stone cradle]

bro never touched a bf game in his life

[ancient junco]

You literally where changed from teams due ti skill

[abstract night]

Like, in previous games gunplay was much better to prevent laser gameplay that makes destruction an inconvenience. But it just gets gradually dumbed down to appease the masses of casuals so

[ancient junco]

Yes

[vocal tusk]

I dont think they know what the MM in SBMM is

[brittle wind]

I agree, spread should come back

[ancient junco]

Skill based matchmaking

[vocal tusk]

So how does an auto balancer become match making

[brittle wind]

Older BF games had ample cover for their sizes, that's why Noshahr Canals plays better than most 2042 maps

Some 2042 maps are good though, not all of them are terrible, Spearhead and Haven plays pretty well imo as AOW maps

[vocal tusk]

BF4 auto balancer also didnt take skill into the equasion, it moves the last player to join first in the case of team imbalance

[stone cradle]

the only bad maps are the launch ones, when they actually had no idea how to make a good BF map

[ancient junco]

When a new match started it literally said you where assign to a certain team base on your skill

[stone cradle]

and even then after reworks they've ranged from good to serviceable

except hourglass, that map can die

[vocal tusk]

That is not SBMM, that is a start of round balancer

[stone cradle]

[vocal tusk]

Again, you dont know what SBMM is, or does

[ancient junco]

Most maps in bf2042 are horrible only good one are from portal or based on previous bf maps

There are little few maps from the base game that are good imo

[abstract night]

Orbital and manifest are also good

Decent cover all around

If anything I always personally felt the rework kinda ruined manifest lol

Like it lit up the map in an unnecessary way and just made playing the hill awful

[brittle wind]

I never played hill honestly, match ended in like 3 seconds when we got to the hill

[abstract night]

I mean it’s not like I believe CoD having tac sprint or operators is good either. It’s not to praise CoD and make fun of battlefield. I believe CoD and Battlefield, despite both being arcade shooters, both have their own audience and lane that they should focus on and stop trying to take notes from the success of each other in ways that aren’t relevant or even work

[brittle wind]

CoD should remove tac sprint too imo

New perk does exactly that lol

Removes tac sprint but buffs running speed

[abstract night]

It just makes controls feel clunky to me

Same reason I hate crouch sprint in V cause it smushes 2 different movement types onto the same key bind

[brittle wind]

I dislike tac sprint because I don't think maps are balanced around it, it takes like 2 seconds to reach from one side to the other

[kindred flint]

lol tact sprint in the cod postage stamp map

[brittle wind]

I dislike that in BF because why even have that, just have 1 sprint speed honestly, BF characters don't have stamina

[kindred flint]

never thought about that

in bf at least you get the slower ADS from tact sprint

[brittle wind]

MW19 brought bunch of milisim features into casual shooters no one asked for Such as tac sprint and gunsmithing

[brittle wind]

That happens in CoD too I just don't like the whole deal, it makes sense in milisim games because ADS penalty is huge in those games

[abstract night]

Gunsmithing is the greatest thing to hit CoD

It’s what reinvigorated it for me

CoD customization had always been so basic and boring

[ancient junco]

I mean crouch sprint actually made sense

[abstract night]

Crouch sprint is ok. Just a little clunky to work with

[brittle wind]

Pick 10 has more loadout variety than all the gunsmithing games

[abstract night]

Pick 10 is purgatory

[brittle wind]

You can't run with a knife and 6 perks in games with gunsmithing

[abstract night]

I hope it never returns to CoD ever again. The only reason people want it imo is because of nostalgia, but we aren’t in 2012 anymore

[brittle wind]

Gunsmithing exists to create ''meta loadout'' content from youtubers

[abstract night]

Meta loadouts always existed

[kindred flint]

gunsmith also seemed to just add a bunch of shit to make your gun worse

[ancient junco]

Yup

[brittle wind]

Sure but all the CoD content is that nowadays

[abstract night]

MW2009 had almost no customization and yet everyone ran heartbeat sensor ACR with suppressor

[ancient junco]

I remember meta load in bo3 lol

[abstract night]

That was pretty exclusive to MW22 (and I agree that it sucked)

[brittle wind]

That's why I dislike it, guns are clunky on purpose and with attachments they become good

[kindred flint]

oh ok, i cant keep up with whats in each cod game since i dont play it

but i remember that being a major thing

[brittle wind]

BO6 has the opposite issue

[abstract night]

It’s just bad balancing when a suppressor has 5 debuffs, not necessarily gunsmiths fault

[ancient junco]

Cod for me is just a zombies game

[abstract night]

No worries

[brittle wind]

BO6 has the exact opposite issue though, base guns are bad on purpose, with attachments they become good

[abstract night]

Idk if there’s a single CoD or Battlefield game that isn’t the same tho. They’ve always funneled you towards attachments

[ancient junco]

Really ???

[abstract night]

Most FPS are that way in general except for counter strike according to my knowledge

[patent pivot]

FEAR

[ancient junco]

In bf4 you can use most guns with just a sight and you’ll be good

[abstract night]

BF4s meta was heavy barrel, potato grip and dot sight

[brittle wind]

Sure but you equipped like a red dot and maybe a compensator. Now in gunsmithing you have to change grip, barrel, stock, trigger for them to be good

[abstract night]

I just dont like the criticisms of gunsmithing (in general) because I’d never want less content and customization in a game on purpose

Some of the CoD community is unironically crying for pick 10 back

[ancient junco]

I don’t blame them for having nostalgia

[brittle wind]

I don't blame for having bad taste

[abstract night]

I don’t either, but pick 10 isn’t going to be this blast from the past they think it will be

It’s just going to be boring

[kindred flint]

well like the "gunsmith" thing we had in bf4 was so god damn useless

[abstract night]

Pick 10 didn’t make blops2 amazing, good story writing and passion did

[kindred flint]

20 attachments but only 4 were ever used because..thats what streamers told us... or just they were flat out superior

[abstract night]

BF has always had subpar customization unfortunately. This is why gunsmithing was so huge to me when mw19 introduced it, it blew BF gunplay out of the water

[kindred flint]

like the whole customize to say you can customize but in reality it didnt matter

[brittle wind]

Pick 10 loadouts:

• 6 perks, 1 knife
• 1 pistol, 4 killstreaks
• 1 SMG, no pistol, 3 grenades
  Gunsmithing loadouts:
• Exact same loadout copied from youtubers with exact same attachments, exact amounts of perks and exact amounts of killstreaks

[kindred flint]

like bf4 guns too, mg5 and m60 were identical except recoil patterns went left and right

[ancient junco]

I mean the game had sht ton of weapons and irl most guns don’t have that much recoil too

[kindred flint]

yes but the gun number is irrelevant when theyre literally just copies of each other

[abstract night]

Again tho, there were metas in these pick 10/choose 2 games as well

MW2009 heartbeat sensor suppressor ACR

I can’t really remember the metas of the pick 10 cods cause they were so long ago

Metas exist regardless and that’s because cringe streamers and cringe streamer wannabes just want to fully maximize their gameplay performance. I’ve always played with unusual, off meta or tactical stuff instead

I don’t want less content to do those things with cause some streamer wants to crank out another 70-3 game

[ancient junco]

Well true but you had a lot of variety on the type of gun you had which was praised a lot and they dumbed it done a lot in the next battlefields

[abstract night]

Pick 10 rumors were why I was considering skipping blops6 (of course before the generative ai controversy came out)

[ancient junco]

Doesn’t bo6 also have skill based dmg ??

[kindred flint]

[brittle wind]

It's the same in CoD too, everyone uses same attachments, literally saw no one using short barrel or 90% of the lasers on BO6

[abstract night]

I’m pretty sure CoD has skill based damage but there’s no way to prove it and activision has said they do not use it

[brittle wind]

It's not less content, it's fake variety, everyone uses same attachments on same guns, 90% of the guns are useless in nuCoDs

[abstract night]

Meta cheesers will always use the same 3 guns no matter what

[ancient junco]

I’ve seen clips of people just hitting a hole lmg mag on another guy and just getting hitmarkers

[patent pivot]

Land them in a game mode called gun master

[brittle wind]

2042 has exact same amounts of attachment slots

[patent pivot]

And they'll see about it

[brittle wind]

They just changed accessory with ammo types

[ancient junco]

I’m talking about the number of guns lol

[brittle wind]

I dislike ammo types though, we should go back to accessory

[brittle wind]

Oh yeah I agree

BF had less and less guns since BF4

[ancient junco]

I liked the diversity of guns in bf4

[abstract night]

Me too

[patent pivot]

I'm that person to try all guns

And attachments too

Idc if one sucks shit

[ancient junco]

Now you have a hand full of guns for each gun class and that’s it

[abstract night]

People used the aek all the time in 4 but that doesn’t mean the game should have less guns

[ancient junco]

Me too

[patent pivot]

I never stick to meta

[brittle wind]

Meta is boring and a crutch

[patent pivot]

Because if you do, you're insufferable

And need help

[abstract night]

Amen

[brittle wind]

If you stick to meta you won't become good

[ancient junco]

True

[abstract night]

I only pull out metas if I keep dying to it

[patent pivot]

They're gonna suck at gun master or gun game modes

They'll suffer there

[brittle wind]

Oh yeah lol

[ancient junco]

Yes if it start to get annoying I’ll switch or me team is loosing horrible

Gun master was so good in bf3

[patent pivot]

And that, my friend, is one of the reasons why I don't like pvp

[brittle wind]

I noticed VHX is better with BCG than LWG for some reason btw 🤔

[ancient junco]

I loved it so much on the cqb dlc

[patent pivot]

At least with bots, they don't care what they use

And still kick your ass

[ancient junco]

I’ve got sniper out of a jet by bots like wtf

[patent pivot]

Well maybe not that far

Gotta refine the balance

[ancient junco]

And never got sniped out before

I was flabbergasted when it happened

[brittle wind]

Remove SVK from the game lol

Bots shouldn't 2 shot players

[ancient junco]

First time I get sniped out of a jet was from a bot and not a player like wtf

[patent pivot]

Someone did not take care of the bot script

That's for sure

[vocal tusk]

Ability to change ammo type is fine for some weapons, but with others like the BSV-M, it makes them become very OP.

Like the BSV is meant to be a high damage DMR hybrid, with low ammo reserves due to high damage, but if you essentially give it 3X the ammo with different ammo types, you undo your original balancing.

Id prefer the plus system (Or some version of it) stay, but remove changing ammo types.

[ancient junco]

Supposedly the bots learned from the players on bf2042

[patent pivot]

And yet

[ancient junco]

Has time went by

[patent pivot]

They still suck ass in most cases

Tell me

Why can't they have unique behavior

Like recon staying in one spot to snipe and spot

[vital quail]

I mean if that's true then it makes sense, players are incredibly dumb and so are the bots

[ancient junco]

They are better now then when the game launch that’s for sure

[patent pivot]

Or recon going prone to suppress

Tell me that huh

I want that shit

[ancient junco]

Does suppressing even exist in bf2042?

[vocal tusk]

Remove bots from MP anyway, pure trash tier design to have them populate matches.

[ancient junco]

Like it used to in bf3 and 4

[patent pivot]

Then leave them be In Solo

[vocal tusk]

the last thing I want concentration placed on for future BF games is bots.

[ancient junco]

Yes

I mean it’s nice to farm guns on them lol but it’s boring af

[patent pivot]

Not if they're programmed correctly

If you make them unique

Instead of going in straight lines to objectives

And not using a lot of guns

[ancient junco]

That would take way to space and time

[patent pivot]

Then that's a big no no for me

[vocal tusk]

Id keep them as training bots only, but it also breaks part of the progression loop to allow players to just farm 500 bots in 20 mins to unlock all weapon attachments. Your game should be enjoyable enough that you dont NEED to farm bots to get weapons to a usable/fun state

[vital quail]

The effort for that stuff will never be worth it

[patent pivot]

Then separate the rank system

Cod bo1 did that

[vocal tusk]

Most players dont want good bots, they want targets to shoot, and most would prefer no bots at all

[patent pivot]

Between training mode and regular multiplayer

Fuck

I can't think of other fps games that did the same as bo1

[brittle wind]

I agree with the last sentence but I disagreed with the rest, BSVM is actually the perfect weapon for T system imo, I don't think it creates an unbalance with the game, changing a DMR into an SMG is what plus system should do imo, I dislike different mag types because I just don't like the idea of having like 4-5 types of ammo and extended mags, having extended mags makes guns with natural high ammo capacity useless imo, like legit saw no one using P90 because why bother with that when half the SMGs can have 50 round mags(PP being OP and having more rounds per mag also contributes to that), they should remove it and give us ''accessory'' segment back. Weapons like BSVM can have their SMG/DMR selection from there.

[vocal tusk]

They will obviously have separate teams working on bots and everythign else, but id still prefer that bots remain mostly dumb targets.

[patent pivot]

Whatever

I'll rely on WR team to make 4 my main BF game

Still enjoying bf3 with Vu

[vital quail]

Ok

[vocal tusk]

WR bots are also going to be crap

[ancient junco]

Wr?

Win rate ?

[vocal tusk]

BF4 custom modding

They want to add bots, but have no navigation mesh...so the bots will be hyper dumb

[ancient junco]

Just give them an ai and make them learn from players

Ez

[vocal tusk]

Nav mesh is required for "smart" map navigation

Basically a way for bots to know the traversal paths between points of interest. Where togo, where not to go

[ancient junco]

Not if you make them learn how to navigate thru players

Not that would be that much of a good idea now that I think about it

Probably would have a bunch of bots camping on the corner of the map too

[brittle wind]

If I wanted to play against bots I would've played 2142 or old Battlefront games honestly

They had good bots from what I remember

But might be due to me being a kid when I played them

They might actually suck lol

[ancient junco]

They where alright

At least on battlefront 2

[patent pivot]

It's decent

But kind of basic

Plus. The classic BF gameplay isn't my favorite because it's partially realistic

[patent pivot]

You talking classic or reboot

[vital quail]

Exposure is so boring when either team just gives up immediately

They just devolve to sniping on the cliffs

[brittle wind]

Looks like red laser gives extra 22% hipfire accuracy, blue laster gives 10% hipfire accuracy and green gives 15%

Recoil reduction only effects hipfire and it's only 5% lol

Red laser is the best, but green laser is also usable in some weapons if you want to get some hipfire recoil reduction, blue laser is worthless for some reason

For grips Cobra and LWG gives 10% accuracy penalty and benefit depending on you moving or standing but BCG and Rattlesnake gives 5% penalty and benefit, they might be better for non extreme playstyles

Bipod seems to have best accuracy boost and recoil reduction though by 50% each

Compensators seems to effect recoil multiplier, first shot recoil and even spread, they are more extreme than muzzle breaks which only effects recoil too apparently, might be useful for some extreme weapons with extremely bad accuracy or extremely bad recoil

[naive ember]

[next onyx]

I just run tac comp and burst.

[brittle wind]

I hope next BF has a more useful stat screen honestly I shouldn't get that info from some random player's spreadsheet

[next onyx]

It'd be really cool if there was a pin that showed where the recoil was likely to go.

Like a pin upwards showing how intense vertical recoil is with two pins by it showing how much the gun will shake in a particular direction.

[brittle wind]

It should have in-menu shooting range honestly

Similar to Delta Force or CoD

[kind salmon]

Also who levels up all of the weapons and vehicles against bots?

Because I can’t be the only one

[north kettle]

i do

[flat sedge]

Is 2042 worth downloading

[plush echo]

Yes

[flat sedge]

I now have bf1 bf4 and bf2042 (once I purchase gamepass)

Is bf4 a good download aswell

[plush echo]

I guess some ppl would say that was the peak of bf

[limpid pond]

How do yall feel about health regen being almost instant when you get a kill?

Like what are some opinions on the idea of it

[next onyx]

Like med pen?

Or Zain?

It completely skipping health regen DELAY is fine.

As for the case of zain you need to earn the kill to actually benefit from it.

And really it's just a thing that keeps you prepared for the next.

[quiet shell]

So Andrew Wilson said there will be battlefield info during the Q1 EA Investor Call, I don't believe investor calls are used for too much info dumping outside or general corpo speak. I hope it means there's an upcoming big reveal

[charred temple]

Server down again?

[naive ember]

It was up when I tried to find a match

[mental delta]

Where did he say that ?

[arctic grove]

Who can help me with Clean exit achievement?

[somber crane]

They defo shouldnt release battlefield this year with gta6 coming out lol

[naive ember]

I know someone who works at R* he said don't get your hopes up

[vocal tusk]

Gta6 and Battlefield aren't competing games. They will share a large audience, but one likely wouldn't take sales from another in the same way the likes of titanfall 2, bf1 and cod did.

[kindred flint]

EA only releases its own games against itself

[nocturne marsh]

Man I really need to hear something about the new battlefield soon....

[kindred flint]

why

just expect to be disappointed that way you wont be let down in the future

[nocturne marsh]

you're right about that

[oblique tendon]

hey Im getting crashes after 5 mins of playing, anyone else too?

[brittle wind]

It boggles my mind how CoD youtubers are saying ''GTA6 will teach Activision to fix their games'' They ain't even competing lol

R* games historically never stole players from CoD due to being released on the same year, those games underperformed because those games were Ghosts and Black Ops 4

[naive ember]

You can't trust youtubers

They like to lie

[kindred flint]

2077 coming out kinda forced rockstar to do something with the game since they were being lazy af with it for years

[brittle wind]

Cyberpunk was going to be a GTA competitor, before they scrapped whole Cyberpunk online idea

[naive ember]

R* after cyberpunk release

[mossy wolf]

game crashed?

anyone<

[vocal tusk]

Cant tell much without error messages

[somber crane]

Yes i know they are not competing games. Although, i really dont think sales would be great if a new battlefield was to launch this year because everyones focus will be on gta6.

[analog jolt]

Yes, ever since the new update. Ryzen 5800X3D, 32GB, RTX 4070. No problem before.

[analog jolt]

Where do I paste my crash logs?

[vocal tusk]

Its the same story always...2025 is actually the perfect time for a Battlefield franchise revival...as there is next to no FPS competitor set to release this year. the next COD game IIRC is coming in 2026

[somber crane]

Unless bf somehow manages to drop a beast of a trailer like bf1, that would be awesome.

[analog jolt]

Anyone? Where can I paste my crash logs? Game had no problem prior to IFVs, been playing since April.

[vocal tusk]

This isnt a support server, best thing you can do is open a thread on the EA forums

[arctic grove]

Anyone can help me to get Sacrifice player card? in BF2042. I know how2do it and have already portal ready.
Just need to knife-kill someone 3 times. Will take 5 mins max.

[analog jolt]

Ah, typical. Bug reports are a pain to submit. I guess I'll just put the game on hold for now. Thanks, though!

[arctic grove]

Try to verify your local files if you play thru steam, mightt help.

[analog jolt]

Haven't had a problem before, but will try!

[arctic grove]

Sometimes , with updates something might get corrupted during downloading, so it might resolve problem, happened to me 2 times already.

[analog jolt]

Good point!

[analog jolt]

You might be onto something, 3 files failed to validate! Will try if it worked later on

[vocal tusk]

If the game pops an error message when it crashes, posting it here may help with diagnosing (There is no image perms in this chat, but if you state what the error says, some may be able to help)

[analog jolt]

No errors. Just closes. I do have the crash logs, but I can't paste them here, unless you can open them with the text editor and paste the text?

[stone cradle]

https://youtu.be/zoTKtOltBdY

Summary of what him and sirland talked about

no actual stuff about BF6 was talked about if you guys wanted to know

[kindred flint]

i feel dirty just reading that video title

[analog jolt]

Why?

[vocal tusk]

TLDR; Not looking for yes men to praise their game, want to get objective opinions, especially from negative parts of the community. Thinks that proof of the game being good should be shown via hands on gameplay, not marketing trailers.

[analog jolt]

That's just a good thing!

[stone cradle]

If you want to skip to where he talks about what they said you can skip to like 9:50 I think

[stone cradle]

Also TIL that he was behind alot of the smaller but very useful QoL stuff in BFV

I really like that and hope they bring back alot of those features with BF6

[kindred flint]

he was the MP lead

[vocal tusk]

Sirland was the lead over BF4 CTE and DICE LA.

[kindred flint]

and then he got overruled by people at EA it seems... and got forced out now hes back... i dont understand game development

[stone cradle]

oh yeah ik that, I just didn't know what he was directly involved with BFV

[stone cradle]

isn't it obvious?

because they need him badly

[vocal tusk]

"Some how David Sirland returned"

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-template-blank-no-text-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-gif-381304416067850242

[chilly jacinth]

Probably paying real well

[kindred flint]

yeah now we get to listen to platitudes and the next game is totes gunna be awesome

[stone cradle]

yeah I imagine he negotiated for some real dough with how much they need him to set things straight

[kindred flint]

doubt that

EA lawyers probably had his ousting iron clad

[stone cradle]

I mean tbf they're actively not doing that now

People are complaining about lack of tesing or more info, but is likely intentionally from Sirland

what we're going to get are actual results as he stated

[kindred flint]

well when the marketing starts, thats what it will be.. bet

[stone cradle]

hence the announcement of a new playtest

[stone cradle]

well yes, that's every game tbh

but it seems like he hints BF6's won't be like 2042s

[vocal tusk]

They probably need him, more than he needs them. All about leverage when it comes to income.

All of that aside, I generally remember him being a good dude. The attitude toward the next game seems to right one. with the last 2 games (BFV especially), some of the language was very cocky, and almost expectant of a hit game on release.

[kindred flint]

but after the way they screwed over V and then handled 2042.. it will be extra special this time

[vocal tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/field-of-dreams-baseball-if-you-build-it-they-will-come-gif-17965185

A good BF game > Players

[analog jolt]

I mean I enjoy BF2042 a lot, but it doesn't have too many players. It's kinda dead actually, with every other match being half bots. Then again it's really the only BF I've actually really played, so I don't know how it compares to other installments

[vocal tusk]

2042 is fine. Much better than launch. Most of my issues with it now are map/vehicle allocation related...as well as it being entirely reliant on matchmaking.

[analog jolt]

I mean there are community servers, so it's not entirely reliant on matchmaking tbf

[vocal tusk]

Id wager that a lot more people would play 2042, if it wasnt such a pain in the ass to actually play.

Matchmake > Find game > Join game (Probably to the same map you just played, or played 1 game ago) > Game half over/ending > Return to menu > Repeat

Community servers are pretty lacking TBH. Its an inconsistent experience

[next onyx]

I love playing the same map 6 times in a row outside of my control.

[analog jolt]

Yeah, my main gripes with the game is having to wait pretty long sometimes to get a match (which would be fixed with more players though), joining games that are 20 tickets away from ending, the double tap Q marker collisions, sometimes refusing to spot something and snipers having both glint and needing two shots to kill. Sniper need a buff IMO, either by removing glint or making them like in hardcore.

Oh, and you should be able to calibrate your scopes to show drop correctly instead of being all over the place and having to find the exact barrel, ammo and scope configuration that is fairly accurate drop but ends up being like a 6x scope

I think the characteristics of the DXR-1 was changed also. I used to have it calibrated pretty good but not anymore

[vocal tusk]

I dont like sniping in this game, so never used the snipers for extended periods. So I cant comment on that.

[hushed lark]

The only one I use is the NTW, it's pretty fun and it has some use for engineers

[analog jolt]

Yeah, it can be pretty annoying tbh. You land good hits from far away, only for it to not kill and having to do that again, but you can't, since you're basically a beacon of light saying "Shoot here"

I've resorted to just using 4/1x scope and sniping closer range headshots

[chilly jacinth]

Not having to calculate drop yourself at all is imo a terrible feature the older games have

[vocal tusk]

I think I dont like sniping cos movement is pretty fast, and flag to flag there are no good spots to "Set up" as a sniper.

[chilly jacinth]

Lowers the skill ceiling too much

[analog jolt]

Oh yeah, it's a fun gun! High risk, high reward for sure. Also funny to see people complaining when you get a vehicle kill with it

[hushed lark]

do the scopes work properly? like the M5 scope works properly but idk about any of the scopes for guns

[analog jolt]

To counter this, I think you shouldn't be able to see the exact distance to enemies, except if you're a sniper, and you equip binoculars like soflam but it was a rangefinder

[vocal tusk]

The markers are accurate, if thats what you mean

[hushed lark]

it's so much fun against rams, I've been trying it on the IFVs too

[analog jolt]

I don't know, calibrating your scopes is something that's done in real life a lot, doesn't make the snipers any easier to shoot. Maybe a bit more increase in sway to compensate for it?

[analog jolt]

For sure, wanna team up with NTWs?

[chilly jacinth]

The thing is we don't have any of the external forces affecting your gun and bullets so

it's just infinitely easier

ingame

[hushed lark]

oh that would be great, imagine a full squad of NTWs against anything lighter than an MBT

[analog jolt]

That's true. Flatscreen will never be like real life, but the snipers do need some kind of buff, by removing two shot torso kills at longer ranges to promote actual sniping or removing glint

[vocal tusk]

TBH, I would have no problem with glint being removed. Especially when these snipers arent a 1 shot kill to the body.

[analog jolt]

I'll do you one better: Full LIS squad with NTWs, desert eagles, and C5. Imagine 4 TGMs coming at you twice, then a rain of NTWs lmao

[analog jolt]

Indeed.

[warm glacier]

How do i get a headshot kill

But my kills say 0

[analog jolt]

Shoot in the head

[warm glacier]

I shot the guy

It said i killed him

Red skull

But i have 0 kills somehow

[hushed lark]

it doesn't really matter but I spotted some guy, then shot him with my NTW and I got both a kill and an assist. (Yes, I did check they were both on the same player). Is this something that happens

[analog jolt]

Sometimes a death don't show up until you die again, maybe it can happen with kills as well

[chilly jacinth]

Scoreboard updates can be delayed sometimes

[analog jolt]

I don't think I've seen that before, lol

[hushed lark]

The tracking is a weird sometimes. On the end of game highlight thing sometimes the stat is shows under my name is not the same as the one that shows on the scoreboard/tablist

[analog jolt]

Anyway, I'm free now, wanna do NTW squad?

[hushed lark]

oh I'm not home rn

[analog jolt]

Ah, when do you get home?

[hushed lark]

I have a night class tonight so not until like 9 EST

[warm glacier]

Idk if its a skill issue or if this game just ass

[analog jolt]

The game does have some issues tbf

[mossy wolf]

strange we were in a 7 man lobby and we all dc'd with ofc diff specs

[warm glacier]

Like me just spawning and and dying

Its truly something else

[analog jolt]

Dying to what?

[warm glacier]

And apparently no one uses comms

[warm glacier]

I spawn and i either get blown up or shot

Like a second in before i can move

Medics run past you when ur down

[analog jolt]

Yeah no, it's a run and gun fps, no one is playing it tactically lol

[warm glacier]

I haven’t met anyone who has a mic

[analog jolt]

That's normal, can't really avoid that when you're spawning in active firefights

[hushed lark]

that's true, I've been in like 2 squads with a mic user in the last 6 months.

[warm glacier]

I just want a good K/D

And this shi ain’t helping

[hushed lark]

What I do is send friend requests to a player in my squad (or sometimes on my team) if we both placed near the top of the leaderboard. I've been doing this for about a month and now I have a pretty good chance of having one player I know in my squad

[analog jolt]

Refrain from spawning in high activity areas like flags that are in the process of being captured and places that have enemies surrounding it. When in doubt, spawn at base and go from there

[warm glacier]

I mostly play breakthrough as well

So sometimes its like 300m out

From the point

[analog jolt]

Yeah, that's a sniper haven. Just try to keep moving and sliding. Dozer shield is pretty good if you face directly towards the shooter and crouch. If you're not almost exactly facing the shooter, they can shoot your arm, or if you're standing they can shoot your legs

[hushed lark]

smokes are also useful. I play engineer so it's hard to give up the AT grenade but smokes are so good

[vocal tusk]

For squad play, smokes are hard to not use

[analog jolt]

Smokes are excellent especially for reviving and dozer, since most people just run through the smoke and you can just lurk in there with the shield

[warm glacier]

I hate people who use sheilds

[analog jolt]

Why? It's a game mechanic, and some of us are just trying to get Tier 1

It's pretty easy to counter too if you have any explosives or incendiary

[warm glacier]

What are the tiers for charecters

Dont understand that concept

I thought each charecter has their own pros or something

[hushed lark]

nothing changes, you just get a new skin

[analog jolt]

You unlock a skin, that's about it

It's the satisfaction of completing something

You can also showcase it on your player card. One day I'll have the 4x4 pickup truck Tier 1 badge on there. Yes, that's a thing. Along with the quad, tuk tuk and polaris that you can only find in the game world lol.

The pickup truck is the hardest, since you're basically only able to run people over instead of shooting out of it

[hushed lark]

what is the strat for those types of vehicles? just running people over or shooting as the second player?

[analog jolt]

Pickup truck you can only run people over, Polaris is pretty fast so either or, tuk tuk and quad you're probably better off shooting people, maybe camp with the AA or Lis missiles on it

[hushed lark]

I had so much fun when control was available. Using lis was 2-3 free kills at the beginning of every round on the polaris or the quad

so many free points for vehicle call-ins since you get points from kills and from the destroyed vehicles

[chilly jacinth]

You used to be able to get progress on those with spotting

You can't anymore

[warm glacier]

Btw what is the meta AR ?

[analog jolt]

Ak5c probably

[warm glacier]

Ah ok

Im using the vhx

But its kinda recoily

[analog jolt]

Vhx is good too, DFR strike is also awesome

[warm glacier]

What badges should i get for my player card

[analog jolt]

Whatever you want, really

[hushed lark]

lol, I use the AK5C and the DFR since they both have underbarrel AP. Now I'm working on the SVK since it does too.
It was nice of Dice to give the AP launcher to some of the best guns in the game

[analog jolt]

Ak5c was the first weapon I put Tier 1 on lol

[hushed lark]

it's my first one too - I'm close to my second which will be the DFR strife

[analog jolt]

I'm kinda all over the place, DFR is the highest currently with mastery 27 I believe

[analog jolt]

After validating the game files, it looks promising. Played one game with no crash, though the two prior crashes happened in Breakaway, so we'll see

[orchid tusk]

i started getting ctd crashes again sometime before latest update and still getting them

[rocky gust]

had no problem tier 1 dozer without using the shield. they changed it from shield kills to cqb kills (kills within 15m 1600 times or smth) so after getting the tier 1 skin zero reason to use when mackay sundance and zain exists

[analog jolt]

It's also fun to use, and easily counterable. People hating on you for not being able to deal with it is no reason not to use it

People will complain about literally anything if you manage to beat them with it

[rocky gust]

only thing that is redeemable about dozer is the fact its not like cod where it blocks shots from the rear

not a single "decent" player would use dozer. the class design is just troll

the dozer nerfs came way too late in the games life cycle as well

[analog jolt]

Sorry for having fun in a game then, I guess? Shame on me for having fun lmao

[rocky gust]

even before the nerfs you can just slide hop to the side and shred him

[analog jolt]

People complaining is also part of the fun lol

[rocky gust]

i didn't say not to use it lmao, i just said there's objectively better specialists

dozer could have used a rework and had something more different

but you know, DICE

wouldn't hold BRUTAL expectations against em

[analog jolt]

There's not really objectively better specialists, just different playstyles for different people and moods. Each one has got their place

[kindred flint]

the shield should have had a rechargeable health bar on it

[rocky gust]

it was kinda fun to block sectors with 4 man dozer squads in hallways and just tbag while blocking everything

[kindred flint]

angel is a pretty trash support... anywhere indoors makes half your kit useless

[rocky gust]

aside from that, i can't really recall a time where i personally found myself in a situation where "damn i should have dozer"

but people have different playstyles

[analog jolt]

Whie it's fun, NTW and armor piercing should go through the dozer shield though. Would bring more use case for the NTW as well

[kindred flint]

AP rounds will damage dozer now

[hushed lark]

angel is a godsend for engineers though, not having to run around finding one more rpg at a time from ammo crates is so good for defending points

[hearty kiln]

They do now

[rocky gust]

mackay has been fave since beta, falck for medic because...why else, rao and blasco

[analog jolt]

Any AP rounds or just the new IFV and CAV ones?

[kindred flint]

mackay is a crutch

[rocky gust]

been trying sundance and realized her grenades are p great too

[kindred flint]

AP rounds from guns/under barrel

[rocky gust]

yeah the giga nerf with the last update made hi smoge but

bro like 25 seconds for a grapple gun is...

wtf man

its not an OW char ult

[kindred flint]

the grapple was too op for too long, coupled with the faster ADS twitch movement for the sweats

[rocky gust]

they nerfed nimble trait hard

[kindred flint]

well everyone else got brought up

[rocky gust]

so yeah assault... zain is probably the best

[analog jolt]

It's not supposed to be spiderman you know

[kindred flint]

its range, instant deploy, and recharge made it so stupid for years

[rocky gust]

a character basing itself on flanks and mobility and they killed the grapple gun, i feel like they should have been more smart by making out of reach areas ungrapplable first then start working from there

the problem with mackay is, it was allowed to be in places that other specs could not get to by their ownself

it was really one of the reasons why he was so problematic

[kindred flint]

then you get the camping ones with snipers like ...

[analog jolt]

Like where?

[kindred flint]

like... any high ground point with out a ladder?

[rocky gust]

before the range nerfs, he could practically find himself anywhere

manifest was a NIGHTMARE

[kindred flint]

unless you bailed out of an air unit you werent getting up high on the majority of the map

[rocky gust]

mackays prone with avancys and bsvms

[kindred flint]

or parachuted from a high point which is situational... and really easy to die doing

[analog jolt]

You could get pretty much anywhere he could with any operator with the pondhawk

Or parachute for most cases

[kindred flint]

my brother in christ the pondhawk didnt exist for years

[rocky gust]

yeah...was gonna say

[analog jolt]

Well I started playing in April, so I wouldn't know

[kindred flint]

and its also... classic BF stupidity to spawn in a vehicle like that only to find a camping spot where youre basically useless to the team

[rocky gust]

see i was artistic enough to pay for the 120 dollar version so

yeah i played a long time...

[kindred flint]

skill issue

[rocky gust]

im touching your goldfish bozo

[kindred flint]

i pre ordered the deluxe edition days before launch for less than the normal price of the base game

[rocky gust]

real ones remember the rooftop objectives on kaleidoscope

[analog jolt]

Getting kills is not useless, it bleeds them dry. Also winning is not that important, having fun is. If you have fun winning games, you do you. I personally have fun doing my own thing

[kindred flint]

the other day i spawned in a blackhawk just as the pilot was bailing out..because they just wanted to transport their ass across the map like... god i hate these players

[rocky gust]

my god

that was a nightmare ill never forget

2 boltes, a hovercraft, and a tank on the roof

and 32 dudes looking at the elevator

[kindred flint]

if youre playing conquest.. holding the flags will make more of a difference over the course of a match than a handful of kills someone can get in narnia

BT on kale before the rework..yeah lets make the last point on the roof

[analog jolt]

Yes, but as I said, winning is not life or death, having fun is the point

[kindred flint]

with only 3 accessible points

[rocky gust]

and its a long zipline or elevators

good design

ship it

[kindred flint]

of course winning in this game is even less relevant due to the 128p mode, since theres more of a chance to have half a team of dead weight

[rocky gust]

half?

80 percent

[kindred flint]

i just cant see the fun in sitting in some trash camping spot all game barely doing anything

but i do enjoy lissiling those people to death... so double edge sword

[rocky gust]

"trash team" - the casper going 3-23

[kindred flint]

with no assist farming either?

[analog jolt]

Lis missile needs a nerf towards people, you can just camp in cover with it and farm kills lol

[rocky gust]

only thing i hate about lis is that the victim POV is way too different

sometimes it literally flies over my screen and its considered a direct impact

[kindred flint]

bros been watching my gameplay

[rocky gust]

its so damn bad with how it looks for the lis vs the dude getting slammed with it

[kindred flint]

i joined the end of a landslide victory 128p breakaway match the other day... and killed the same dude like 4-5 times with the lissile

in the same freaking spot

like dude...what are you doing

[rocky gust]

some people never learn

[analog jolt]

Game would probably need major work to deal with the sync issues, probably not worth the manhours

[vocal tusk]

It needs a nerf towards helicopters IMO. Making it do 95% armor damage to the littlebird/stealth heli would make it far more balanced IMO

[kindred flint]

i dont mind it being op against them tbh, since theyre annoying as an infantry man

[rocky gust]

theres a difference between making things feel terrible vs nerfing it to balance it

fucking with the sens is not the way to go

people still find ways to leap around it

[kindred flint]

and the littlebird can simple just strafe spam to avoid a lock on..dont even need flares, good design

[rocky gust]

i hate the ram more than anything though

[kindred flint]

yeah i dont even crank the sense on mine, which is probably why i miss so many things

[rocky gust]

if you use ram, you're objectvely human trash

[fickle wharf]

lmao

[kindred flint]

but i do enjoy me some scope glint 2-300m away by the camping sniper... and killing them with it

[rocky gust]

(but again, its really my fault for not playing engineer and thinking my teammates can deal with it)

aside from lis the entire engineer class is so lackluster

[analog jolt]

Ah, so you're just using objectively wrong. Playing the game makes people trash apparently. How do you get Tier 1 without using it?

[rocky gust]

its more aimed towards stat farmers

people that literally do nothing but hoard vehicles and boast at the end of the game

[analog jolt]

Why are you hating people for playing the game instead of the developers for not balancing things anyway?

[analog jolt]

I'm using it to get Tier 1. No I don't boast at the end of the game, ever. That's dumb.

[rocky gust]

good. i respect the tier 1 grind

some people play the vehicles and never do anything else, and boast about it

thats the trash i refer to

shoulda been more detailed but i assumed people would understand so thats on me

[analog jolt]

You got that right. Always that one guy that spams ez in chat, yet they're at the bottom with 3 to 24 or some shit

Even if you got kills, boasting with them is kinda dumb

[rocky gust]

i only ever say trash team if i pushed objectives and got good scores and assists. i can drop 100+ kills and people still can't push

its not like i farm 300m away with the rorsch either

[analog jolt]

That doesn't make it much better. Negativity like that is just not nice in any scenario. Some people aren't good at the game and that's absolutely fine. Putting them down for it is not needed in any way shape or form

[rocky gust]

when a teammate going 3-28 says that i feel otherwise

eye for an eye

most cases i type gg unless someone starts talking crap

[analog jolt]

Yeah in that case it's fine to call them out on it, otherwise no

[rocky gust]

there's a guy named Fight_injustice that cannot stop hackusating every time

its great honestly

best compliment i coulda asked for "he's using walls and recoil macros"

[analog jolt]

There was one guy called Swedish Fighter or something that I saw quite frequently that just kept complaining about everything every single game lol

I think he had a thermal complaint ready on copy paste lol

[rocky gust]

there's always those guys that do that

and they're like...really bad

all they do is throw slurs in voice chat and stugg

[analog jolt]

Yeah. What exactly are they trying to achieve? "Oh no, this one guy said something about the way I play, I better stop doing that!"

[rocky gust]

thermals? like vehicle thermals or sight thermals

i would assume sights, i dunno they're pretty terrible imo

aside from the high magnification scope ones

[analog jolt]

Probably thermals on weapons as you can see they're being used when you get killed

[rocky gust]

i mean they don't see through smoke so i dont get it

if it did then id understand but

[analog jolt]

Terrible as in fighting against them or using them?

[rocky gust]

using them

never been a fan of them espc the red dot ones

not only is the sight kinda blocky, but i hate any red dots thats not a dot

like the whole chevron, crosshair looking ones. you get what i am saying?

[analog jolt]

I disagree about them being terrible. The 1x one yeah, maybe, but I use the 2x on a lot of guns and it's very easy to see people with it, hence the hate

[rocky gust]

2x one is okayish, but the high mag scopes are really strong

svk+ 6?8?X thermals are kinda OP

used to farm with that as falck dropping ammo and smokes

ploop ploop gone

[analog jolt]

The 6x thermal is a bit hard to hit stuff with at range. I usually just use it to spot people, then switch to 8, 10 or 12x

[rocky gust]

personal preference is what it comes down to i guess lol

for me the red dot and the 2x is eh...

[analog jolt]

There's only a 6x thermal, was there 8x at some point?

[rocky gust]

nono its been a while since i played so i forgot the zoom

like i cant be bothered memorizing it eh lol

[analog jolt]

That's fair lol

[rocky gust]

i only ever play svk if i feel like it, and its really rare

most times its just AR smg flank rushes

although i abuse it a lot, the whole jump and slide spam is a bit...eh

not my thing

[analog jolt]

I keep confusing stranded and discarded since they both have big tanker boats on them lol. Slowly learning the differences

[rocky gust]

stranded is the smaller boat one iirc

and discarded is the whole goddamn us fleet and town

[analog jolt]

Yeah stranded is the one with a single blue boat, discarded has multiple wreckages around

[rocky gust]

flanking the hill campers on stranded first sector is great clips

knifed 9 in a row before

some people just have zero awareness

[analog jolt]

People are oblivious when they are camping lol

I know I am too

[rocky gust]

nah i mean everyone slips at some point

they peak an angle too long, or not check an angle too long

assault just comes barging in and gunning

while i reload i usually check the map and the back routes just to see, and quite often catch the good flanking people

very little a flanking player can do when i have height advantage and the cover

[analog jolt]

Except if they're just the better shot. Happens to me all the time lol

[rocky gust]

You start learning better movement and also learn to predict a flank over time

I played since bad company 2 back in 2009 so id say i played at least 7k hours total in the franchise

Now im 27 boomer

[analog jolt]

That makes sense. I'm 26 in march so also a boomer, but I just never really got into Battlefield games. This is the first one I have really sat down and played. Started in April and at 447 hours currently

I wonder at what point do you start feeling like an adult instead of a child with a drinking permit

[hearty kiln]

Wish they had more map asset diversity. One thing I always shake my head at is how there's 3 models total for trees in all of AOW which is supposed to be international. Big green tree, little green tree, little sapling

Think there's actually 2 maps with different trees, the Canadian one and the one with Aa gun in center

[kindred flint]

the consequences of 128p

[analog jolt]

Haven has palm trees, reclaimed has snowy trees, battle of the bulge I think has different more gray trees, Valparaiso also has palm trees, idk if any different to haven though

[mortal barn]

What game mode do I play to fly a 10?

[hearty kiln]

Portal

[hollow raven]

who needs an A-10 when you have the pondhawk

[kindred flint]

[solid imp]

[mortal barn]

Do I gotta be a certain level?

[kindred flint]

running out of ammo with the pp2000 feels horrible why tf was i playing rao

the hack is so useless for vehicles

[worldly jackal]

So.....I see some of the Veilgard team is helping with the new Battlefield... Yay.

[solid imp]

it's always correct to play rao

[kindred flint]

not since the nerf smh

unless youre just going for ultimate cheese hack through smoke kills

[solid imp]

[kindred flint]

disgusting

i played him a lottt before the rework lol... but holy shit the time it takes to hack a vehicle is glacial

[solid imp]

it is but seeing those sparks fly off the main rotor makes it all worth it, I can almost pretend I still disrupt their flares

that was a glorious time to be rao, when suppressing a heli's flares was a thing

[kindred flint]

but running around reclaimed with that smg was fun...minus running out of ammo

had to pull out the 1911 for multiple long range kills

[chilly jacinth]

New update has been a blast the with crashes

peak bf gameplay

[frozen loom]

Lis > Rao for vehicle destruction.

[kindred flint]

rao is just vehicle annoyance

[frozen loom]

I never found him to be effective at doing it.

By the time the hack deploys, an autocannon will have decimated me.

[gloomy dawn]

@gray nacelle

[frozen loom]

I'll give it a try

What does the hack do?

[kindred flint]

disables some parts partially or something? shit can still shoot during the hack.. idk its weird which is why i think hes mostly useless

[stone cradle]

Casper's drone pre-nerf was more useful than him

-# idk I barely played rao

[chilly jacinth]

Reduces turret traverse speed and movement

[frozen loom]

Casper pre-nerf was amazing.

I'd EMP drone a tank 12 times in a row.

After the third EMP, the passengers got so annoyed that they bailed.

But the driver insisted on staying with it.

The Rao hack still scares off vehicles which is nice.

[brittle wind]

Disagreed, snipers shouldn't one shot besides in like 10 meters, I have like 75% accuracy with XCE Bar, do you really want people like me to make game unplayable for everyone else

[brittle wind]

SFAR, AK5C, M5A3, VHX, AM40 are all good. Almost all the ARs are good in this game except 416.

[frozen loom]

You're right. It is annoying. It acts as a good distraction.

Enemy tanks could never leave the spawn point because they were so pissed off.

I was in Arica Harbor holding the northmost objective near their northern spawn point since that's where their vehicles spawn.

[ripe halo]

Hey I was wondering if I could join a squad

[frozen loom]

Try #lfg-xbox .

[solid imp]

Now you've got it 🙂 but you can also force crash aircraft with a well timed hack after they updated it from suppressing vehicle weapons to being "damaged"

draugr especially but anything really if you catch the pilot in a bad spot

or hack a vehicle as it's driving toward out of bounds so it can't get back quickly

[frozen loom]

I just put down my spawn beacon and harass aircrafts.

Does it damage them?

[solid imp]

it considers them as "damaged" but it's disabling parts really

it's not just visual sparking

[frozen loom]

Does it put a lock-on for others to use?

[solid imp]

I think it still does that? would need to confirm

[vital quail]

There was a brawler i could lock onto the other day but didn't have soflam

It didn't really look disabled though

[solid imp]

that's because the brawler is resilient to everything in strange ways

it just goes and goes

like the eblc.. that thing never got properly balanced

[vital quail]

I was going to post about it here because I also don't think I've seen a soflam target since the update and thought it was broken

[frozen loom]

Now.

Back then.

[solid imp]

hm that's a shame

I wonder when it changed, I can't find it in any patch notes

[olive stag]

Soflam still broken...disapear

[vocal tusk]

Doesnt it still allow lock ons now tho?

[frozen loom]

Probably changed when the EMP effects were changed.

[olive stag]

nope ,it was nerfed long time ago

Rao Hack is useles

[solid imp]

no... not at all useless just niche

[vocal tusk]

I thought it did, the lock cursor is just invisible

[solid imp]

most useful thing with rao is disabling rangers ngl
second most useful is hacking a door and pinging all the enemies inside a room for free, cooldown is like.. 3 seconds or something
all the vehicle stuff is honestly just icing and fun low grade tilting

[olive stag]

2 matches ago they asked me if i soflam cause they see nothing.I was soflaming

[vocal tusk]

Did they have a launcher out?

[olive stag]

Rao hack against vehicles is useless ,range too small too. I play Rao often and i play vehicles too

[vocal tusk]

You dont see lock ons unless you have a launcher that can lock on equipped and in hands

[brittle wind]

Rao hack is good in Redacted

[olive stag]

not sure, i belive ,cause they waiting for my Soflam

[solid imp]

Idk in CQ Rao is pretty OP, especially if there's even a hint of it being a meat grinder

[brittle wind]

You hack one guy and then you hacked all the people around him lol

[solid imp]

you shut down those silly Paik pretty quick, and you see them start to run around blindly.. pretty funny actually

[olive stag]

the 2 new Tanks are good .These Rockets can easy kill Heli ,even they flare.But as Infantry Player u lost.

[solid imp]

Yes. Honestly this is a crazy recon ability

This will reveal all information in that area, such as all enemy soldiers, vehicles and gadgets within 10m of the hacked target for a very brief period of time.

such a short cooldown and if there's more than one enemy you just alternate which you're hacking to keep that area pinged almost nonstop

for your whole team

Rao is definitely not useless lol

you're just not going to be "the guy" who looks amazing with some crazy KD

[kindred flint]

biased reviewer

[solid imp]

true true 😄

[olive stag]

on vehicles its useless ,pretty unbalanced.

[brittle wind]

If you wanna farm K/D just play assault honestly, or maybe Falck

[vocal tusk]

He is like aggressive recon. But if you dont have better than average motor skills and concentration...he is hard to play

[olive stag]

instead do something for infantryplayer they bring 2 vehicles

[solid imp]

recon vs vehicles should not go in favor of recon, that's just expected rock paper scissors

unless you're really good with c4

[vocal tusk]

since the door changes on flags, I dont find his ability to hack environmental stuff all that good

[solid imp]

sometimes you can hack bollards in front of a vehicle, that is hilarious

but rare to pull off

[vital quail]

Watch dogs ???!?!?!?

[solid imp]

😄 exactly

[olive stag]

they nerfed the Rao long time ago.vehicle only player cried a river ,thats why it was nerfed.

[solid imp]

you're not wrong

lilbirb sweats got all in a tizzy

[olive stag]

u mostly allways spotted in this game.So u dont need that ability from Rao that hacked ppl and surroundings is spotted

my expierience in 5000 hours Battlefield 2042

[solid imp]

lol we've all played a lot of 2042 if we're still in this channel at this part of the game's life 😄

[analog jolt]

The game already has sweats that make the game hard with what there currently is. One shot at ranges further than 800 meters would make snipers actually viable again for everyone else and would promote actual sniping.

One shot on upper torso and head only though

[brittle wind]

It would make it unplayable

Completely

[vital quail]

Bruh

[brittle wind]

Sniping is easy as is

[analog jolt]

No it wouldn’t. Snipers one shot on hardcore and hardcore is very fun.

Nah, I just don’t want stuff to be too easy, no fun in that.

Hardcore is a good mode

[brittle wind]

BFV's hardcore is more balanced than 2042's yet I got my only 100+ kills match in it

Yeah lol

I was also using bolt action carbines

One shot up to 100 meters lol

[abstract night]

I actually used to really like those “sniper only” servers on bf4 that were hardcore mode. Idk about standard conquest/breakthrough hardcore tho

Instagib?

[solid imp]

complaints about the rorsch was the perfect example of how players react to a 1hk hs at all ranges

[analog jolt]

It does make sense. You’re telling me it’s easier to play getting one shotted at said ranges than two shotted? Snipers need to be played at range, so a range bonus would make it so. Easy to be killed at ranges if you’re hit and not having to be a no life to be able to get some kills at range.

[abstract night]

Oh idk, both teams would just sit on opposite spawns in golmud and pick away at each other

[solid imp]

I'll give snipers 1hk hs at 800m if you give me aimpunch and suppression

[abstract night]

Ironically this is the sweet spot mechanic

[brittle wind]

Sweet spot is garbage

[kindred flint]

if you want 1 shot bolt actions just play 2 shot DMRs

[solid imp]

you can't just look at all this in a vacuum though.. they could try the sweet spot mechanic because other things were in the game like suppression, which is the natural counter to anything ranged

[analog jolt]

Yes, you wouldn’t have to be a no life to get kills when playing as a sniper. Moreover when not playing as a sniper it’s easier to get killed. This is why hardcore mode was good.

[olive stag]

NTW50

[orchid tusk]

why one shot, why not 80% and the assist chance

[brittle wind]

That's why I loved using G95 on BFV

80 damage to the torso

[abstract night]

I don’t see the pushback on it to be honest it just doesn’t seem like an apocalyptic issue

[analog jolt]

In hardcore you get killed more but getting kills are also easier, doesn’t really change how easy or hard the game is…

[brittle wind]

Sniping is easier in 2042 than in BFV

[kindred flint]

@solid impoh god i just looked im like 154 mastery on rao and only 198 on falck who ive mained forever...

[solid imp]

Wait are you telling me there wouldn't be pushback on implementing suppression again in BF?
Oh man I know your'e not new here but I want to ask if you're new here 😄

[kindred flint]

i must have abused rao+spotting balls so much back in the day...

[analog jolt]

Maybe for you, but I personally don’t no life games.

[abstract night]

Sorry I meant sweet spot

[solid imp]

ahh

[abstract night]

I mean if I’m dying to a sniper that much I’m probably just going to snipe back

[solid imp]

oh I miss that so much. 2x proxy, sit next to a resupply, BT 128 defense on something like orbital (ORIGINAL version)... chef's kiss on mastering rao quick

[analog jolt]

Excuse? Currently the only way to really even get any considerable kills is to throw your life away. It’s no wonder the game is dying

If you like easy so much, go shoot bots lol

[solid imp]

this is why I came back to discord.. good stuff

[vital quail]

Almost as crazy as that one dude who said the g57 had an effective range of 300m

[brittle wind]

Sniping is already easy in 2042, you are also playing on PC, just get headshots lol

[analog jolt]

What you don’t seem to understand is that it also makes it easier to be killed. I don’t always play sniper.

[vital quail]

Idk, i made him leave the server when I called out his 28475th stupid idea

This dude really thought he was onto something

[analog jolt]

That’s what I’ve been saying. It’s only easy if you throw your life away playing the game. Most of us don’t have time for that.

I guess other people aren’t allowed to use the sniper then, or?

[vital quail]

Getting rid of snipers might be the best idea

[solid imp]

unironically balancing snipers into any fps is the hardest category

you could just take them out

[analog jolt]

It doesn’t make it easier. Easier to kill with snipers but also to die to snipers.

”I don't see how making it so snipers can oneshot to the chest past 800 meters makes it easier to be killed.”

[solid imp]

it adds a whole thing though, because if you make it 1hk body then that impacts map design, other weapons, knock-on effects like adding heavy body armor, etc

[kindred flint]

fucking hell i cant get a good lobby right now

[solid imp]

really can't just solve sniping by fixing sniping on its own

[analog jolt]

Are you paying attention? If you can kill easier, so can other people.

[kindred flint]

flashpoint team thats losing horribly.. into redacted thats losing bad, into discarded thats losing bad and stupid CAV killing me through walls with incendiary

into battle of the bulge thats losing badly holy shit guys

[analog jolt]

”Easier” ”more annoying”, see, you get the point. Easier, yet harder, so net change of zero.

[brittle wind]

Shotguns are harder

[kindred flint]

whelp no point in trying to play right now the average IQ of teammates is in the teens

im solo on B stadium for over a minute killing 6 in a row...cant get any help, and we cant even get a 2nd cap with 20+ others inside

[brittle wind]

I had a similar experience in redacted, I push out as crawford to the connector between B and C, set up my minigun, see 10 people, kill 5 of them, rest of them kills me with incendiary, meanwhile Irish right beside me didn't even set up his sentinels, doesn't even try to revive me or use my minigun lol

[analog jolt]

You’re forgetting or otherwise refusing to understand that other snipers can also kill said snipers easier. It’s not all that difficult to avoid snipers at ranges currently. A bit too easy actually. Snipers are meant to be deadly. Nerfing them to two shot is not the way to nerf them, but they do need to be fair somehow.

[brittle wind]

Snipers would make it unplayable for engineer, assault, support players, that's the point

BF doesn't have flinch unlike CoD either so you won't be able to counter them at all

[vital quail]

Make it like HLL and give each team only one sniper

Or just go play hll

[kindred flint]

that would still be 1 too many snipers per team

[analog jolt]

Two shotting is not really a good balance choice either. They need to be harder to use but still kill one shot. The current implementation is just not fun for anyone else than sweats.

[brittle wind]

2 shotting is great honestly, all snipers can oneshot to the head at all the ranges anyways

3 would make them unusable, 1 would make the game unplayable for everyone else

[vital quail]

Akshually, the xce has a setup where it takes multiple headshots to kill 🤓

[brittle wind]

With close combat rounds?

Yeah CC is useless in XCE

[opal compass]

Anyone want to play ?

[brittle wind]

Every other ammo type is better

[analog jolt]

That’s the case for a lot of weapons and vehicles in the game currently. Pick your poison I suppose. It’s just not a very balanced game unless you’re really good at it. The rest of us really just have to suck it up

[brittle wind]

Bruh, they all have the same RPM regardless of ammo type, except for CC and AP which increases TTK exponentially

[analog jolt]

It’s not a lack of motivation. People have other things to do than play games all day. It’s not worth it to no life a game only to have some sort of chance to enjoy it.

If I could make a living playing all day long, sure, but I don’t.

[orchid tusk]

yeah id really rather no life discord all day or watch Moana or something

[analog jolt]

Ah, the ol’ not being allowed to give constructive criticism if you don’t have a masters in the subject argument

[echo yew]

2042 sniping is clean as hell though wtf

would i too like a one shot sniper? (with actual bullet velocity) yeah sure but its only fun when you're the one using it, and in a game where guns aren't locked to classes i'd rather not