battlefield-2042

[novel zephyr]

I'm Norwegian and to see my ancestors' history butchered so disgustingly cannot be forgotten for no apologies were ever made for it. Worse still DICE is Skandanavian too!

[vital quail]

Who cares

[novel zephyr]

Quite a few people, BF1 still sees a collective peak of 3-400 people in US/EU servers on PSN alone.

BFV sees slightly higher numbers because it was a free monthly and in 2042 there's mostly 'dead internet' servers brimmed with AI players and given the complete and utter lack of a manual server browser, I can't tell you how many servers there are in 2042.

On weekends there's about 2k people active daily, might not seem like alot but for an eight year old game, pretty damned impressive.

[eager spire]

i feel like most of those people don't really care about the history that much, they mostly just care about the fact that it looks pretty and it's really easy.

[novel zephyr]

Well given the fact that the insane backlash in the comments and the dislikes from all the trailers for BFV say otherwise, I've to say that you're missing a major chunk on the whole perspective you got in terms of accuracy.

[eager spire]

i feel like BFV's perception is skewed by the fact that BFV had women in it and as we all know, Gamers tend to dislike games with women in them, especially if it's a shooter that isn't metroid.

[novel zephyr]

"This is my movie" is up there with 'giant enemy crab' levels of historic cringe

[eager spire]

I feel like you can't take every bit of backlash against BFV seriously because most of those people probably wouldn't say anything if there weren't women in it.

[vital quail]

If it has 0 effect on gameplay I will not care

I'm not sitting in the main menu looking at what my character looks like in a multiplayer fps

[eager spire]

i mean the prosthetic arm lady wasn't even put into the game, that got scrapped. Didn't stop people from complaining about it to this day.

[novel zephyr]

You're uninformed horridly on that, it's not the fact there was women, it's the fact there WERE women that saw frontline service in WWII but it was not portrayed accurately. See the French Resistance espionage, Soviet tank crew/Night Witches for an accurate female portrayal of front line service.

Germany, Japan and the collective Allies had no frontline women in combat roles, only medical or domestic industrual positions outside of espionage and spywork.

[vital quail]

Some dude the other day was crying about zain having prosthetic legs and how he can't play him anymore

[eager spire]

...I am aware there were women that saw frontline service in WW2, but I am also informed on modern Gamer™️ culture and Gamers™️ really just do not like women that much.

i don't think me recognizing as such is me being uninformed, i'm just taking into consideration how the gaming public acts.

If anything, your refusal to is not seeing the full picture here.

[novel zephyr]

that may be the case for some but collectively putting that perspective over all who dislike BFV yourself is some serious projection, that's not really the case.

[eager spire]

"collectively putting that perspective over all who dislike BFV yourself is some serious projection"

that would imply that i myself share these opinions and am projecting it onto a massive unknown group, to which i say fuck off, i'm not even going to act like that shit is in any way reasonable.

[novel zephyr]

No one here's said anything about BFV sucking 'because women are in it', in the context of 'gamers hating women' as you put it. you quite literally think that's the reason why most hate BFV. Everyone I talk to hates it because of the previously mentioned censorship and intentional improper retelling. One of my friends got so pissed off he literally changed college courses to be a history professor to combat the damage shit like BFV does to people's perception of the truth.

[austere niche]

Woah

[eager spire]

"BF1 is obviously not accurate, there's creative liberties taken, but that's mostly due to time constraints and storage limitations. They couldn't fit every proper uniform into the game but BFV has no excuse."

There is a grand total of two years between BF1 and BFV, there's no significant technological leap there, realistically they would've been under the same storage limitations as they would've been back in BF1, what are you talking about?

[austere niche]

Chill

Ain’t no reason to write an assay here

You have school for that

[eager spire]

"No one here's said anything about BFV sucking 'because women are in it', in the context of 'gamers hating women' as you put it. you quite literally think that's the reason why most hate BFV."

I mean I was here around the time it was announced, I know that accounts for a significant portion of the hate that BFV got.

[austere niche]

DIDNT YOU JUST READ WHAT I SAID

[small tartan]

Are the new IFVs gonna be their own vehicle slot or are they getting placed in one of the other slots?

[novel zephyr]

Schools don't teach jack these days, it's simply a discussion of sorts on difference in opinion on perspective.

[brittle wind]

Vanguard came out with 2042, not V

[eager spire]

I don't care.

[vital quail]

I was told it's the brawler/mav slot

[austere niche]

Honestly stfu

[brittle wind]

BFV came out with BO4

[novel zephyr]

oh right, my bad, thanks for the correction.

[eager spire]

no

[austere niche]

Are you okay

[novel zephyr]

Well you could just, not read this.

[small tartan]

Damn, was kinda hoping they'd be their own slot. I guess that slot works fine enough, if only they'd put the Bolte in its own slot. Such a waste still sharing slots with the Brawler and MAV

[austere niche]

True but the same goes for you

She’s so annoying and you too

No- HEY SCOTT

[eager spire]

I'm fine, you?

[austere niche]

Good

WHY DO YOU HATE RECON

THATS MY MAIN

[novel zephyr]

So the big whoop is they're adding an IFV? Didn't BF4 launch with all the content that's being staged out in a drip feed?

[vital quail]

There would be too many tanks if it was its own tbh

[novel zephyr]

Because it took ages just to get a fraction of the base vehicle content 4 had at launch from my understanding.

[small tartan]

That's a fair point.

[brittle wind]

BF1 has creative liberties taken because it's a video game, do you think everyone had a Fedorov and an MP18 during WW1? Let alone non existent weapons like Hellriegel ?

[latent jasper]

yes trust i was there

[austere niche]

@vital quail EXPLAIN WHY DO U HATE RECON

[severe hill]

Bigger maps more vehicles

[brittle wind]

5000 of those weapons were produced ever

Hellriegel doesn't even exist besides 3 photos

[vital quail]

Because it's a useless role in battlefield and should be removed from future games

[latent jasper]

recon can be the best and worst class

[austere niche]

As a recon we need more open maps and huge towers

[eager spire]

It's a shame they couldn't take creative liberties with it to make it a better game

[austere niche]

Nuh uh it’s the best

[vital quail]

Right

[small tartan]

Tbf, it isnt the first time BF had weapons that were so rare. BF3 had the pancor jackhammer, a weapon with only 1 remaining prototype.

[latent jasper]

ragebait

[severe hill]

better add fpv drones so i can kill you camper

[brittle wind]

People bash on BFV for historical inaccuracies but BF1 is worse imo, at least when it comes to weapons. Lots of ''experimental'' or prototype weapons never used in WW1.

[vital quail]

A sniper in battlefield is playing 1v63/1v127

[austere niche]

Nu uh I’m not a camper

[vital quail]

They are playing an entirely different game

[austere niche]

Nuh uh

[small tartan]

For all my gripes about BFV's "campaign" i feel everything else was fine enough imo.

[eager spire]

People are fine with BF1 cause it looks pretty.

That's the only notable thing about it

[severe hill]

because ww1 didn't really have a lot of weapons and some of the wapons where either in prototyping or was a concept back then

[novel zephyr]

Even though that's the case for 1 at least it's more a hypothetical 'what if' rather than 'let's butcher everything intentionally'

[hollow lodge]

ur name

[small tartan]

BF1 is both pretty and sounds great but everytime i go back, i remember exactly why i stop playing it xd

[eager spire]

What about it

[severe hill]

We need the behemoths

GROUND BEHMOTHS: HIMARS and Tos-1

[hollow lodge]

explain it

[vital quail]

Please embarass yourself ahmed

I'm begging

[novel zephyr]

two prime examples being, the Char 2C and the Anihilator, both were fully built and would've been field tested had it not been for the 11-11 cease fire

[brittle wind]

I'm fine with end product, I don't see how BF1 is super historical accurate game and BFV is an alternate history according to some people though

They are equally inaccurate in different areas

BFV's weaponry is more accurate, campaign isn't. 1's campaign is slightly more accurate, weaponry isn't.

[novel zephyr]

So is Wolfenstein if we're pulling the 'alt history' card but somehow that game is more respectful to the atrocities that took place in WWII.

[hybrid steppe]

My head canon always was that BF1 was just a steampunk Battlefield, not aimed at being accurate.

[brittle wind]

They should make a game like that no cap

[novel zephyr]

Iron harvest, it's WH40K mechs but WW1

[brittle wind]

Steampunk BF with weapons from WW1 and 2, and some Tesla guns that shoots electricity

[vital quail]

Doa

[novel zephyr]

If my memory serves, BF1 was officially stated to be a 'hypothetical what if' scenario where all these prototype weapons were to see frontline service and how the war would look.

[hybrid steppe]

Dieselpunk would be even better, steel airships battling and flying overhead as massive tanks and soldiers in crude exoskeleton power suits battle on the streets of 1930s Art Deco style Metropolis cities.

[severe hill]

The only reaon why I remember ww1 existed was through bf1

[eager spire]

What needs explaining? It's self-explanatory

[hollow lodge]

Trans is Agenda?

[novel zephyr]

Iron Harvest, it's BF1 but WH40K mechs.

[hybrid steppe]

If only it was a shooter game, I don't really care for RTS

[next onyx]

Oh wow actual IFVs now

[eager spire]

What are you asking?

[hollow lodge]

i asked you to explain your name lol bcz am not getting it lol

[eager spire]

It's self explanatory

There's nothing to explain.

[novel zephyr]

Hoenstly, it's still amazing, the game has a solid story, great mechanics and overall design.

[vital quail]

What do you think it means

[hollow lodge]

i know what it means

its self explanatory

[eager spire]

Then why are you asking

[novel zephyr]

Not worth dying on this field mate, don't do it

[hollow lodge]

i like to ask

[novel zephyr]

Best not to continue that conversation, for your own sake my guy.

[novel zephyr]

Only took, what, three years?

[eager spire]

🤔

[novel zephyr]

My main question is; when the hell are we going to get the transports with actual coverings on the fronts so we have armor protection, why the hell are they exposed in the front like that!?

[hybrid steppe]

What do you mean?

[next onyx]

Mav and ospreys are well protected.

[eager spire]

Why the hell are they exposed in the front like that

video game, probably

[next onyx]

No idea what you mean.

[vital quail]

I guess you mean the latv...?

[hybrid steppe]

Oh in that case, yeah LATV is ass

[vital quail]

I wouldn't expect the jeep to have armor protection

The hovercraft has some but can still get shot inside it

[novel zephyr]

the transport car with the gatling gun has no front cover to it, meaning that you'd need to drive reverse in order to protect the driver and passengers from getting sniped instantly

It's annoying that they're this exposed, the transport car and hovercraft

[vital quail]

You have to be like point blank to kill inside the hovercraft

[hybrid steppe]

It's based on the HDT Storm, and it doesn't have windshield or door side windows irl either

[novel zephyr]

Or use the AP rounds

[novel zephyr]

that is the dumbest idea I've ever heard.

[vital quail]

The bf4 jeep was the same way

[novel zephyr]

It's like having a tank with no armoured plates and red youtube thumbnail cirlces around the critical weakspots

[vital quail]

Probably even worse honestly looking at it now

[novel zephyr]

that was at least a light transport, but bleeding hell man. in 2042 the hovercraft/HDT should have at least SOME front protection

[vital quail]

Those are light transports

The role of them at least

[hybrid steppe]

There have been plenty of similar vehicles through out history, it's mainly meant for desert conditions. BF2 and BF3 also had similar vehicles like the VDV Buggy, Desert Patrol Vehicle and the ITV Growler.

[brittle wind]

I'm glad you can shoot drivers in 2042

[novel zephyr]

then why the hell is the hovercraft marked as AA with a 20mm flack?

[vital quail]

I mean the latv also has it

Gameplay balance reasons probably

[novel zephyr]

Not a single complaint but holy fuck the fact it's just an unarmoured 'shoot here' window is a dumb idea

[vital quail]

I feel like that's been a thing in bf since forever, especially with sniping pilots and shit

[hybrid steppe]

Maybe because it is vehicle not really meant for combat engagements? It's a transport.

[brittle wind]

I'm still glad it exists though, lack of those interractions was annoying in BF1 and V

You can technically shoot the pilots if you are lucky but 99% of the time it won't happen in either of those games

In 2042 however it's easier to kill pilots especially if you have Mackay or Sundance

[novel zephyr]

the car sure, but why the hell is the hovercraft marked as AA then as in 'something deliborately intended for direct engagement with aircraft'

[hybrid steppe]

You sure it doesn't stand for "Amphibious Assault"?

Light Combat Amphibious Assault-vehicle

That's at least how I read it as

[vital quail]

Yeah, the real issue with its name is the fact there's like 0 maps with water for the amphibious to make any sense

[hybrid steppe]

It actually does work in Manifest and it floats like it should.

[vital quail]

I don't think you can even get it back on land though lol

The strip of water is so tiny

[brittle wind]

Wish they kept the wall climbing ability

[vital quail]

The mav is also amphibious

[hybrid steppe]

Yeah DICE might have had more water focused maps in plans but ended up not going through with them because of the fact that they had to dedicate so much time reworking the base maps.

[vital quail]

Noshahr is the only map they could do anything on but the map sucks anyways

[novel zephyr]

It has a 20mm AA flack cannon

[hybrid steppe]

Yes? So does LATV, that doesn't necessarily mean that the "AA" in LCAA stands for Anti-Air.

[vital quail]

It's just there for gameplay reasons, same with the latv

[novel zephyr]

That and given all the guys who did the water physics left the studio during V's development they had nothing but old code no one was familiar with

[hybrid steppe]

Yes, MAV stands for Marine Assault Vehicle.

https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/products/mav-marine-assault-vehicle

[brittle wind]

https://youtu.be/nNdX2vlbUH4?si=tui0t1JANixp9cun

Wish they kept this in the game lol

[kindred flint]

[spare quest]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[naive ember]

[next onyx]

Oh yeah the 20MM is not that good anymore.

[lethal moon]

they really be making ppl all that excited with that ping huh

[kindred flint]

got 5th best squad... with 44/48 squadmates... and i assume the 4th guy was even lower

surprisingly found probably the worst possible enemy team on breakaway 128p ever, unreal levels of farming them

[brittle wind]

If you want to find bad players try hardcore

[kindred flint]

milsim afghan?

[brittle wind]

From my experience bad players plays hardcore because TTK is so low

[kindred flint]

then you get the classic cod knife to the pinky toe=death

[naive ember]

There's more bad players than good and more than half the "good" players are on pc cheating

[scenic storm]

Who's down to play

[limpid pond]

So they're adding two new vehicles. That's cool

[limpid pond]

That's cap.

There's a few people on pc cheating like jarheadac and two other people that are pretty blatant. Other words majority of us pc players are just good

[naive ember]

There's only a handful of pc players that are actually good and most of them are on their 3rd energy drink glued to the screen other than that yes most of you guys cheat and 99% of console players will agree to that

[limpid pond]

Once again not true. Most pc players are legit and I can tell you 99% of console players won't agree because I just was one 2 months ago before I made the switch and I could easily drop 100 kill games. I swapped to pc and still can but I mainly drop 50 to 70 kills a game.

90% of battlefield players are just bad lmao

I played on Xbox series x and s and ps5. It's literally a skill issue on your part. There's so many pc players that have played mnk for 5+ years that I just started playing on mnk 1 month ago that I slam. They're not cheating lmao

[next onyx]

He's a console rando dread don't pay him much mind.

[limpid pond]

True. But I was on console. Was a top player there and it's easy to notice it's a skill issue

Not to mention 2042 is poorly optimized for ps controllers. Some minor input delay for xbox controllers but xbox rollers are way better, but I play mnk now so I Don't care about roller

[next onyx]

Oh yeah definitely I came from xbox and I've seen the same idiots unfortunately.

The delay on roller is quite bad.

[limpid pond]

Yeah I agree 100% the amount of times on xbox I got the "enjoy the ban" or "get reported" dm was insane

[next onyx]

I made so many people mad on xbox back then it was insane.

Console players are fucking stupid.

[limpid pond]

Same. I use to piss off Hella pc players including enders. I made so many people mad

Yeah I've only ever met a few good console players.

[next onyx]

Cod has muddied the waters sadly for aim assist.

[limpid pond]

Then you have the people that get a kill while flashbanged and think they're untouchable

[next onyx]

Cause I find it too easy on my end to kill them.

On battlefield.

[limpid pond]

Yeah aim assist is so cringe. I played 0 zoom snap with 40% aim assist when I was on roller

20% slowdown

[next onyx]

Zoom snap bad.

Lowest I went was 75 to 70 on bf5.

It was actually more freeing.

[limpid pond]

Coming from seige aim assist messes you up unless it tracks for you

Cod aim assist you gotta have it on

[tame crow]

console cope is always funny to read lmao

[limpid pond]

Like if you don't it's a instant L

[limpid pond]

It's not even console cope. Go look at videos and clips. Brother is a legit bot

[next onyx]

You can be a good player on console. Its just that the players there get a big head.

[tame crow]

when a console player detected = opinion rejected

[next onyx]

Yeah you're just being a dick.

[limpid pond]

Facts I can pull vids from discord when I was on console

It's just a skill issue

[tame crow]

nah they are using a primitive input device

[limpid pond]

To be fair though some people don't have the hand eye coordination for mnk

[next onyx]

It's still possible to be crazy good on console. Though it's much more difficult.

[limpid pond]

That's true

[next onyx]

If anything i have more respect for those on sticks that can get a super good shot.

[limpid pond]

I remember my infamous cheating clip that had a dude in the server crying calling me a cheater and saying everyone was stupid

[next onyx]

Oh dear what happened there.

[tame crow]

damn rip for them lol

[limpid pond]

I'll send it in the tab

[next onyx]

Wtf

[limpid pond]

Yeah it was just a issue with my clip back lagging lmaoo

The video stuttered so it clipped weird making it look like I was aimbotting lmao

The other videos I posted are how I played

I was the first person to t1 the ac9 when It launched and I was on console. Dropped multiple 100 kill games that day

[naive ember]

Your delusional comments are amusing bud, you started being active in here a few days ago and 90% of your posts are just ridiculous

[naive ember]

Lies

[limpid pond]

Yeah started being active a few days ago because I came back to bf. I've played the game since launch. Played it originally on console. It's a skill issue. Look at my clips compared to yours. You get 1 kill and clip it.

[limpid pond]

Not lies. You're a fake battlefield player. I can pull up controller issues right now

[naive ember]

I don't care dude, you should stop with your lies and delusional comments

[limpid pond]

You should stop with your lies and delusional comments. You're a bot

Saying an entire platform.is cheating while you're shit is just spreading false rumors

Accept the skill issue and leave it at that

[naive ember]

Aww look who's angry now, jealous of my clips and can't face the truth about pc being a bunch of cheaters

[limpid pond]

Brother what? You're movement is literally bot movement you play base fov have a low sense and can barely aim

I'm the opposite of jealous I uploaded clips on me of on controller dropping multikills and pushing. You lay on your stomach the whole game

We could play a game right now and I'd beat you I'm not jealous you're just mad cause bad

Me on console was 80x better than you. Me on pc is 100x better than you

[naive ember]

Oh so now it's I don't like how you play and I can get more kills than you

Talk about being a loser dude

[limpid pond]

Which equates to a skull issue

[limpid pond]

I play better and understand the game more.

[next onyx]

This clip is still really funny.

[limpid pond]

See perfect example of good spray transfer on a roller

[naive ember]

You sure about that?

[limpid pond]

10000% we can bet money on it

[next onyx]

The fg42 made me learn to not mag dump all the time.

Good gun.

[limpid pond]

We can wager right now if you want.

[naive ember]

You have none kid

[limpid pond]

We can wager right now big dawg

[naive ember]

Thing is that you have issues

[limpid pond]

Bros tryna be a ragebaiter

[naive ember]

Really? After you said all of that? I'm the ragebaiter?

Remember delusional

[limpid pond]

You literally are. No way you're a legit thinker

[naive ember]

[limpid pond]

You're legitimately ass

[naive ember]

Keep crying

[limpid pond]

I said wager and you say I have issues??

[naive ember]

Go outside

[mortal marten]

Glad to see the community is still the same

[limpid pond]

I have a job. You got more free time than me

And you're still shit

[naive ember]

You sure about that?

[limpid pond]

Yes I am

[naive ember]

I hope you run into me on BT

I'll be happy to share clips then

[limpid pond]

Brother we can hop on a game right now and do it

No need to wait might as well prove it now

[naive ember]

Trust me you don't want it

[limpid pond]

I do

Let's run it

[naive ember]

I got a life and you don't apparently

[limpid pond]

Alright then that's cool. Run it

Less talk more action

[naive ember]

Get on BT on the regular you will run into me believe that

When you do I'm posting clips

All day

[limpid pond]

I'm literally always on. Bruh jump on now

[naive ember]

Another lie

Playing bug game with capes

[limpid pond]

Okay I'll switch tf

I'll slam you real quick then back to my bug game with capes

[naive ember]

I'm not worried about you, you're not on my level dude trust me

[limpid pond]

Less talk more action. I'm on now brother

[naive ember]

You're not ready to get rekt

[limpid pond]

Just something quick man come on

Like best of 5 or something

I can set a custom room real quick

[naive ember]

Nope, you will run into me eventually and when you do you will regret your words

[limpid pond]

Alright I found out what's going on with this dude

[kindred flint]

what the fuck is with the recent influx of people using the stealth bomber and incendiary bomb killing me

[limpid pond]

It's so much worse when a stealth bomber bombs your spawn at the start of the game. Seen a dude 2 days ago go on a 12 KS instantly because the incendiary bombs

[kindred flint]

thought they fixed planes being able to hit your spawn so fast

who am i kidding though right

[eager spire]

oh is someone arguing with the guy that brags about being banned from Chic Fil A, Dunkin, Panera, and McDonald's in their bio?

[limpid pond]

Yeah not anymore after he said what he said I kinda picked up on what's wrong with him

[eager spire]

I mean

[limpid pond]

Unfortunately not

[eager spire]

It doesn't take long to notice that he's a prick, why would you brag about that in your bio.

[limpid pond]

Well prick is one thing but bro got a little snip snip going on in the old noggin

[eager spire]

either way he's worthless.

[limpid pond]

Yeah I understand that now. Took me a bit cause I didn't wanna assume but I figured it out finally

[naive ember]

Yeah says the kid who gets angry in discord

How pathetic is that dude

[limpid pond]

So apparently they removed the slide option in the settings tab? Can anyone confirm?

Like I can't find it

[naive ember]

It's funny that there's always Randoms questioning your questionable profile everyday

Talk about being worthless

[eager spire]

What do you mean?

[limpid pond]

I found it. Could have swore before there was a specific option for slide editing like keybind wise but it's just part of crouch

[naive ember]

Pretty sure that dm was awesome

[kindred flint]

throwing on hourglass lets gooooo

[stable finch]

trying to play close quaters to level up is a nightmare man lmao

[kindred flint]

because of sweats?

[stable finch]

more than likely. the team balancing doesnt seem to be very forgiving on close quaters compared to regular conquest. could just be the fact of map size too.

[kindred flint]

its effectively just an easy way to get kills ... balance is shit across all game modes

[stable finch]

oh yeah i didnt say normal conquest was good its just slightly better than close quaters lol. team balancing has been shit for like all modern games lately idk why they thought throwing that out the window was a good idea

[tame crow]

you ran from a challenge after all that talk? lmao

roller yappers always shake in their boots when it comes to being challenged to a game lol

[chilly jacinth]

He's just baiting for responses

It ain't that deep

[upper lotus]

anyone lookin to play ..p.s. i suck sometimes and others i do superb but,there is never an in between lol

[tame crow]

dw i never get too deep with roller players as it is over their level

[devout socket]

damn the pbx is good!

[naive ember]

Got this kid to rage out of his helldivers 2 game and jump on 2042 thinking that I was going to go waste time with him, that was a victory already. I have nothing to prove to him or anyone else he obviously did though which is extremely sad, then I'm pretty sure he got a warning which is why he backed off

[fickle wharf]

[spare quest]

https://tenor.com/view/geschichten-paulaner-garten-seemannsgarn-lügen-märchen-gif-26325100

[brittle wind]

Best weapon type to grind Dozer mastery isn't SMGs, ARs and not even the shotguns

It's throwing knives

People get dumbfounded when a dozer quickly throws a throwing knife while holding his shield

I think it's faster or it seems that way than to swap to a weapon

[chilly jacinth]

It doesn't visually line up in 3rd person

So it looks like they still have the shield out

[brittle wind]

I see makes sense

I was staring to a guy for 10 seconds while holding my shield then I threw a knife at him and he didn't even tried to shoot at me

I think throwing knives are buffed compared to V, I never used them in V because range was so small. In 2042 they seem to have like infinite range.

[kindred flint]

i would hate you so much if this happened to me

they really need to give the shield the grapple hook treatment

[delicate fable]

they need to lower the matery requirements for the anti tank grenade

ive had it perma equipped as an engi main since it came out and im barely half way there

[limpid pond]

Dude I swear there's some kind of hidden sbmm in breakthrough

Every time I play it I'm top of the leaderboard and there's always either the aarp, aod, or bad clan on the enemy team with top level players. I end up oing like 50 and 20 or something while the second highest kid on my team has 20 kills and we get steamrolled

[stable finch]

I wouldn’t be surprised. Seems like most games want to favor a 1.00 win loss which is just dumb and doesn’t equal fun

[limpid pond]

I'm not even as concerned about the win as I am the pure imbalance. I get people on my team not even above level 80 yet I go up against dudes that are s700+

[brittle wind]

Dozer is getting nerfed with every patch already, I need to T1 him before he becomes unusable lol

[limpid pond]

I can hold my own but it's super hard when you get 5 of them in front of you then somehow 5 behind you

Like the other day I finally got a lvl s800 on my team but bro did the heli glitch for the levels. He literally laid prone on a hill the whole game and went 6 and 7 while I went 74 and 11

[stable finch]

That’s just the thing. You don’t care about the win but the game sure does. It’s doesn’t want you to have a 50 game win streak or even a win streak at all for that fact. Being punished for doing good was a massive step backwards in game design

[brittle wind]

If there was SBMM you wouldn't be able to find matches for like 5 minutes

[limpid pond]

Well I meant it as in a the game is rigged way

[kindred flint]

19-13 holy shit i cant not play flaspoint as the first 128p game of the day

at least we won by 300 because the enemy was more potato

[stable finch]

I mean the game just puts you in empty lobbies half the time anyway so it might as week be 5 minutes queues.

[stable finch]

Feels like ever since mw 2019 the increase of games rigged or SBMM being questioned is finally starting to become more common. At least to me

I feel like I half agree cause due to sheer scale of the game having that for 32v32 or even 64v64 would be impossible but team balancing is pretty bad sometimes

[limpid pond]

Brother I'm currently 27 and 6 were getting ran

[brittle wind]

I think it's just team balancer

[limpid pond]

Next kid on my team has 18 kids than it's all below 10

[stable finch]

lol see bad team balancing.

[kindred flint]

start 128p exposure
squadmate in attack chopper lands at literally first cap
lands at next cap
my brother in christ wtf are you doing youre in a chopper... and the attack version fly into the map to capture or shoot enemies

[stable finch]

I mean sure but their both effecting the game in a poor way in basically the same way

[limpid pond]

Bruh there top player is a s999

[kindred flint]

just leave not worth sitting in the sweat

[stable finch]

Bf shouldn’t be sweaty

[naive ember]

Ita funny how he thinks there's sbmm in the game and said aod plays BT, I have never seen them in BT

It's always aarp

[stable finch]

For some reason. Idk why though. No one told me there was 10k on the line in just trying to get some long shots or complete some challenges.

[kindred flint]

yeeeah not even going to try playing anymore right now having some shit tier luck with teams it seems and i cant play worth a damn anyways

[limpid pond]

Lmaoo their top player said ez win as I slammed him personally 14-3

[naive ember]

That doesn't matter cause they won

[stable finch]

Good for you? I’ll sweat from time to time sure who doesn’t but a game like battlefield doesn’t need that to be a thing.

It doesn’t bother me either but there are days lol. I came to the conclusion of just not playing either until the game has some more to offer or just be done until this team balancing/SBMM garbage gets sorted out (which will never happen I’d bet)

Nah man I don’t have time for that. I’d rather just chill back and play something else.

Ew

[brittle wind]

Delta Force has SBMM and it's as bad as CoD

Might be even worse because it takes 5 minutes for players like enders to find a game

It doesn't take more than 1 minute in CoD at least

[naive ember]

I ran into a top 250 on cod

It was around 5 am though

[brittle wind]

Yeah when player numbers are low SBMM will be more lenient

That's why people are saying MWIII or Cold War doesn't have SBMM now

Because it's harder to find exact skill levels of you with low player count

[echo yew]

sbmm suck

I love that it doesn’t even work right

Wouldn’t i be placed with players of my skill level? Why am i playing against the top 0.1%

i did see a tweet from an activision dev saying “sbmm is good actually” because numbers and data and numbers numbers and the statistics and all that

black ops 6 player numbers

kekw

[stable finch]

activision has completely lost their minds. they also said theyre better than god of war cause of player retention. bruh you dont even know how horrid your own game is

[echo yew]

they claim old games had sbmm

But here’s the thing

it was def not as much of a strict system as it is now

like the experience with the current sbmm is too inconsistent and too inorganic

you get thrown into a match where enemy players are almost unresponsive and you perform too good, so then the game throws you into a match with players of a significantly higher skill level and you get completely decimated by players with superhuman reaction speed, then you’re back with unresponsive players, and then to top tier players, how is this good

[stable finch]

its just ruining the game. again i shouldnt be punished for doing good or even winning once but they still just keep using it as if its the messiah to games but all its done and continues to do is ruin the experience.

[echo yew]

Also the complete erasure of communities

If you’re gonna get rid of the server browser

Then at least don’t disband the fucking lobbies

[echo yew]

And then there’s the excuse that games without sbmm do poorly like xdefiant

Here’s the funny thing though XDefiant is abysmal

One of the worst fps games released recently

Also ubisoft omegalul

[stable finch]

dude dont even get me started on ubu

[echo yew]

If sbmm is so beneficial why is it causing so much discourse

[stable finch]

ubi

[echo yew]

and why is activision so adamant on being secretive about matchmaking

[stable finch]

the pump and dump of skins. $$$ thats all these games are anymore

ive been playing baldurs gate 3 more often than not cause its an actually well crafted product where i can see the passion for making it but these empty shells of fps games just dont cut it anymore

[still vault]

Balldurs Gate 3 is a great game.

[frozen loom]

Make AT mines and nades good pls.

[quiet shell]

I hope to god the next battlefield has a server browser.

[still vault]

Gamers like to take a concept and make it bad. Doesn't matter if it's not really an off or on thing, but more of a spectrum of settings and levels. SBMM can be good, especially for some games or just toned down or tuned correctly.

Kinda like when everything in BF was just "bad netcode"

[echo yew]

I think there’s a correct tuning in sbmm

[placid echo]

imo sbmm should only be heavy if the match is ranked

[echo yew]

But the most infamous implementation of sbmm in call of duty makes for a pretty bad experience

Because its too extreme

You see

If i start out doing good in a match

And throughout the course of a couple hours matches get harder

That’s fine

my “skill level” is increasing and im playing against better players

[still vault]

Still, gamers don't get mad at the "tuning of SBMM" they just talk shit about SBMM itself.

[echo yew]

eventually at one point my performance in games goes below average for me so matches start getting easier

But in call of duty in changes from one game to the next, literal night and day between one and the next, like sorry for going 2.0 first match of the day now it’s been an hour and im still on 1.0 and it keeps getting worse, oh now im on 2.0 again, wow that was weird

[quiet shell]

The problem with SBMM is it denies the player the feeling of skill progression, like it doesn't feel like you're getting better at the game when you're constantly being put against people of the same skill level that you just achieved. It creates a situation where why even bother when it feels like you're punished for being good at the game.

[echo yew]

^

also matchmaking times

What is also true is that the average gamer is better at games

like yeah if im 2.0 KD i should probably not be in matches with people with a 0.7 KD thats fine

but constantly being against other 2.0 KDs and higher isn’t a fun experience, im not playing ranked

“So you can’t handle players of your skill level?”

I can, its why i am at that skill level, but it means that i have to play in an extremely competitive and focused way that i don’t really want to after spending the whole day at university because it’s exhausting and frustrating.

If i was playing ranked and sweating on purpose, yeah no shit i should be against players of my same tier

[still vault]

It can be "a problem", not THE problem. If there's a ranking system, the higher rankings could in theory make up for it.

Also, you could argue that a there's perhaps little point to feeling progression if the game then dies because the lower 3/4th of the playerbase is gone due to too high skill difference.

And just to be clear, I'm not being "pro" SBMM, I'm just saying that it exists for a reason

[echo yew]

Which is why, again

Sbmm was in older games

But the implementation of it NOW is the problem

Now BF6 having some form of sbmm is likely a guarantee at this point

[quiet shell]

I mean look at 2042's matchmaking. It's an even distribution of high, medium, and low skill players. Because of this skill difference everyone is bound to encounter skill levels of one another and create instances where the skill levels can intermix and fight each other on map or match specific terms.
A new player probably can't go head to head with a pro player but all the new player has to do is hide in a corner with a shotgun that the pro is looking at other people due to the map design and suddenly the skill difference is not nearly as big of a factor.

[echo yew]

i did read 2042 had sbmm althought very light and it was mostly team balancing, that was 4 years ago though

And idk if 2042 player numbers even allow for sbmm atp lmao

It would explain the times you get thrown into an empty lobby though

[quiet shell]

A DICE dev in here said they initially had SBMM but turned it off when the player count became to small for the matchmaking, then they just kept it off because they often saw the discourse about it for other games and decided against it.

[echo yew]

Likely related to region lock

[quiet shell]

That's more to do with there's a limited number of servers that's dependent on the daily player count that all run on similar timers. If you end up in an empty match, it's because most of the other games just dumped and everyone else is currently matchmaking.

[echo yew]

Makes sense

Safe to say Bf6 will likely have sbmm systems

How it will play out is unknown

[stable finch]

Don’t forget they’ll probably add AI too so it’s not even people making it either

[quiet shell]

My hope is it'll be like BFV where they have both a server browser and match making.

[echo yew]

Same

hope there’s not another invasion of milsim servers and ego trip admins

[quiet shell]

I'm not bothered by the bots honestly. They're neat cannon fodder that keep servers feeling full and are a great way to keep low skill players invested in a match until it fills out with other people at their skill level

[echo yew]

bots aren’t that big of a deal

if the game makes it clear that they are bots instead of disguising them as players

Like delta force

[limpid pond]

Cod I heard has been doing the same recently

They have bots that act and move like real players

[quiet shell]

Yeah that's scummy

[echo yew]

I did hear the same

It was mostly in warzone no?

2042’s implementation of bots is ok

[quiet shell]

Though given the return to the class system I suspect the only way to tell who the bots are will just be by the name tags. Which is also fine honestly. But it does start to blur things a little

[echo yew]

Boring and repetitive point but why were the bot skins so cool

[stable finch]

That’s not what I mean

[echo yew]

Oh i got it now

Yeah no

Ai generated calling cards cringe compilation

[stable finch]

Yeah. Cod is already doing it and of course activision is ignoring the bad and saying it’s good cause now they can utilize resources elsewhere.

[quiet shell]

Yeah given this is DICE's last chance to bring it back before the entire franchise is shuddered, I hope to god they dont even consider let alone try to be this boldly scummy

[stable finch]

they will. have you noticed that basically the 3 musketeers of fps games are all esentially on their last legs. Battlefield is, Halo is and Call of Duty for sure is too. They each have one big chance to redeem themselves and i really dont think they will

i know making this stuff is expensive and hard but they have already captured lightning in a bottle with a previous title and have seemingly let it go because they want more money. Wouldnt you want to make money and not have your product hanging on by a literal thread

[quiet shell]

I prefer to be an optimist honestly

[stable finch]

me too but things have been bad for a while and have shown 0 sign of improving

[echo yew]

Call of duty wont die

What might die is the core community

It would become a game that sells super well, but generates no conversation, community or cultural impact anymore

Npc media basically

[stable finch]

yeah cause the babies that continue to play that game get a new set of keys dangled in front of them and all the issues with the previous ones are gone.

[echo yew]

Battlefield and Halo? Yeah

And i honestly think Halo’s oportunity is already past

it’s just gonna bleed to death slowly unless a miracle happens

Battlefield has this chance and this chance alone

Halo has it insanely difficult

Battlefield could not have it easier

[stable finch]

100% agree Halo Studios (343 is disguise) arent going to fix the mess made. By all means if they actually manage to come back from this then ill absolutely eat my own words but the way things are going and have continued to go i dont have high hopes. even being cautiously optimistic doesnt seem worth it

[echo yew]

Dice literally has the recipe it needs to follow

I want to believe personally

[stable finch]

but they wont follow it. people blame big boy ceos for the poor decision making and while i do agree how can an entire team of people just willingly let something they work on be nothing other than bad. Larian literally rebelled against hasbro and gave things to the community that hasbro said no to. whats stopping dice with ea and all these other companies doing the same. at this rate i feel like the dev teams and the big bosses are all part of the issues

[eager spire]

They have the recipe but they keep tearing it up and forgetting about it.

[winged pasture]

Imo I feel like they’ve got a really solid foundation with bfv

[eager spire]

apart from the gunplay changes that nobody asked for.

[stable finch]

so then why ruin it with 2042

[winged pasture]

Yup lol

[echo yew]

Erasing 2042 and the (limited) good things it did is also not a smart choice

[eager spire]

name the good things that 2042 did, really.

[stable finch]

challenge impossible

[echo yew]

Plus system and … yeah im out lol

[winged pasture]

Ummmmmm

[echo yew]

I’d say movement but movement was already done better in older titles

[eager spire]

The plus system introduces a lot of balancing issues and is frankly obnoxious.

[echo yew]

Gunplay was ok

[eager spire]

A system that allows a user to suddenly have a grenade launcher or underbarrel shotgun mid-life is not good.

[eager spire]

But gunplay was done better in other games.

[echo yew]

Exactly

yeah no i take it back

[eager spire]

Plus, 2042 doesn't even have functional mouse input.

[echo yew]

erase 2042 from existance

even if i fw it now

[stable finch]

my hot take for current gaming is pvp based stuff is slowly and i mean veeeery slowly going away. more and more products are pushed and pushed so hard that quality has gone out the window. look at concord. pve is good and can thrive. Helldivers is a good example even with its ups and downs it proves coop can work.

[echo yew]

Is it possible for 2042 to be straight up removed from stores in the next game’s release

[eager spire]

Helldivers mostly got fucked up by Sony. I'm still not going to forgive them though.

[echo yew]

Truly the best option is to abandon ship from MP FPS

it’s really easy to not fumble this one, but then again dice has to prove themselves

[eager spire]

I kinda want arena shooters to come back.

[stable finch]

exactly. we keep buying the slop theyll keep peddling the slop. if all these are is a big numbers game for them dont give them the numbers'

[still vault]

Incorrect sentence detected

[echo yew]

and there’s bound to be a catch even if the launch is ace

[stable finch]

i mean halo is that. but even halo is just as bad as everything else. MCC is good but basically dead

[eager spire]

it's not incorrect, this is literally confirmed by the developers as an engine level bug, I am not going to have this argument again.

[echo yew]

2042 mouse input is fucky, not as bad as before but its still wrong, how this made it past the very first playable builds in 2020/2021 is beyond me

[eager spire]

i want the real arena shooters to come back.

[still vault]

So, if a car squeeks when it drives, is it not still functional?

[stable finch]

fair enough cant argue there

space marine 2 has been the closest thing to that classic feel to me

[still vault]

There has been lots of arena shooters. They just all seem to do very badly.

[eager spire]

this is like if there was a delay between you turning the steering wheel of a car and your car actually turning, i'd say that's not functioning properly. I am not going to argue about this.

[echo yew]

Even if we got the very crazy possibility of Dice landing the launch of BF6, its likely that the fuck up will come in the form of a lackluster live service/lack of events

[echo yew]

Genuine curiosity what do you mean by real arena shooters?

[still vault]

You didn't say "functioning properly", you just plain said it wasn't functional

[stable finch]

oh yeah if its not jam packed with garbage and plays like trash its plays good but a baron wasteland of things to do

[eager spire]

is this your bit now, you're gonna be like this now?

[eager spire]

Quake and anything inspired by it really.

[still vault]

Hmm, I've always wanted a "bit". Guess correct sentences could be it, although it seems a bit boring in the long run 😄

[stable finch]

dies from cringe

[echo yew]

I mean it like this

the launch is good, it’s jam packed with content, the SP mode is good, AOW is fun, and the battle royale turns out to dethrone warzone (not a high bar mind you), the communiry morale is back up

unfortunately you get 2 maps, 1 gadget, 3 guns per season and 1 event, oh and btw the seasons are 3 months long.

[eager spire]

"the battle royale turns out to dethrone warzone (not a high bar mind you)"

not going to happen

best case scenario, they're going to co-exist.

most likely, it's just going to die again.

[stable finch]

not a crazy hard job but it seems to be the most impossible task for the knowingly capable people

yeah warzone and fortnite have an impenetrable choke hold on BRs

[echo yew]

Warzone is on the way out that’s the thing

[eager spire]

i mean, is it really.

[echo yew]

And the 2025 game integration will be a clusterfuck yet again

[echo yew]

Player counts seem to imply people are dropping out

[stone cradle]

Well I mean, the original creator Warzone is directing the BF battle Royale too.. So it has a chance

[echo yew]

then again

[stable finch]

The singleplayer scene looks good though

[echo yew]

This is call of duty and its casual audience will always come back

As said earlier

It will just generate no conversation or cultural impact

[stable finch]

cause they play it too safe. Cant do this cant offend that its just ridiculous to have a rated M rating but play and and act like a rated E game

[stone cradle]

Well that segment of the playerbase are the largest whales

Makes sense

[stable finch]

mw2 some how got away with a airport terrorist attack mission in a post 9/11 world. thats is bonkers. but now the only controversial part of the game is idk guns i guess

[stone cradle]

I mean the campaigns are usually fine. MP is the one that's severely toned down

[echo yew]

Surely can’t wait for the “black ops 7 is gonna be a top 5 cod”, “cod is back”, “warzone is saved”, “black ops 2 days are back” hype train when a flashy trailer drops just for it to be exact same outcome as the last 5 years.

Yknow the negativity and complete doomerism of the battlefield community is annoying at times, but it’s a better way of looking at it after the disasters that came out recently cause at least it’s a “Believe it when i see it” rather than just foaming when the trailer has a black ops 2 reference.

[stable finch]

the honeymoon phase for black ops 6 has been the shortest ive seen for a new cod so id imagine Modern Black Warfare Ops 9000 will be even shorter

[echo yew]

Is it confirmed that treyarch is doing cod 2025?

[stone cradle]

I mean that was people when 2042 happened. But it seems like that game shook them enough because the general consensus was just that, atleast from what I've seen

[echo yew]

Yeah

[stone cradle]

yeah back to back

[echo yew]

There was a shift in the community when 2042 happened

In cod there is no change

[stable finch]

the change is the doseage on the xanax perscription when the new one comes out

[stone cradle]

COD players accept any slop thrown at them, atleast the BF playerbase will make a scene when something as little as a santa skin is leaked

[eager spire]

but the BF playerbase will make a scene when a woman shows up so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable finch]

asmongold fanbase in a nutshell lol

[echo yew]

mw19 turns out to dissapoint
bocw trailers come out, “cod is back”
bocw is a broken mess, mw19 is good now
vanguard trailers come out, “cod is back fr”
vanguard happens, bocw good now
mw2 trailers, “we’re so back”
mw2 live support fucking sucks, vanguard is good somehow?
mw3 will save us now
worst campaign of all time
bo6 will be peak
shortest honeymoon phase in gaming history

[echo yew]

Chuds will be chuds

Put a woman on the cover art again

[eager spire]

honestly, do it.

[stable finch]

yep just wait till that new set of keys comes out and then all of what was bad about the is gone and never happened

[echo yew]

Ohhh lmao it’s gonna fucking fail

No way it ends well

[chilly jacinth]

I feel bad for all the studios that got shackled to cod forever

[stable finch]

COD even said they arent doing a yearly cycle anymore and it imploded so bad they immediately abandonded it and sold a $70 "DLC" to make the sweats happy again cause god for bid slide canceling isnt a thing.

[stone cradle]

BFV was years ago. I mean, no one really was up in arms about sundance, an actual playable character being nonbinary

[stable finch]

rip neversoft. never gonna see a good tony hawk game again

[echo yew]

Unless they were working simultaneously on BO6 and BO7 which is also not a good practice BO7 is either gonna be too similar to 6 even by cod standards or beyond broken on release

[stable finch]

the way they are adding ai to their games i wouldnt be surprised honestly. get ai to do most of the work and make 4 games a year

stonks

[eager spire]

Sundance being nonbinary is a lore detail barely anyone knows, and even the devs didn't even seem to care about it as the game went on, with devs even choosing to refer to them as her in videos talking about the game.

[echo yew]

Here’s the thing there will be culture war chuds willing to get angry

[eager spire]

and even then i have seen people be mad about it.

[stone cradle]

damn

[stable finch]

bf1 has a woman on the cover and i dont think anyone cared

[chilly jacinth]

Life is too short to care about pronouns

[echo yew]

In defense of slide cancelling the movement of mw3 is very fluid

[eager spire]

people definitely cared about BF1 having women in it as well.

[stable finch]

but not necessary.

[stable finch]

did they i never recall seeing anything about it

[eager spire]

if we reduced movement down to what's "necessary" it'd be boring as fuck.

[stable finch]

plus is it accurate to ww1

[echo yew]

i’ll die on the hill that mw2 movement discourse was overblown, complain about the lackluster content, the unbalanced gunsmith, the minimap making no sense, the progression, and the general sentiment of IW’s unwillingness to change the game

[eager spire]

No, I don't believe it is, and that is why people were annoyed about it. Personally, I don't give much of a damn because BF1 was not a great game anyway.

[stable finch]

no it wouldnt. when did movement become integeral to fun. i dont need titanfall level parkour for every game

[still vault]

Lots of people were. Remember it was the cause of lots of moderating.

[eager spire]

MW22 was Infinity Ward's pure spite towards anyone who had fun with MW19.

[echo yew]

I dont think anyone’s asking for titanfall movement in a battlefield game

[eager spire]

yes it would.

[stone cradle]

I mean atleast they don't have to fear their game flopping and being shut down like basically every EA studio.

[echo yew]

so here’s the thing

[stone cradle]

COD is a guaranteed money printer like sports games

[still vault]

Lots of people cared. Sadly.

[stone cradle]

But yeah, must be dry as hell creative-wise over there

[stable finch]

thats just you then

[eager spire]

people definitely hated it when BF1's slide mechanic got nerfed. 3 times.

[stone cradle]

They already datamined references to MW4 and MW5

IW themselves admitted they didn't know what they were doing with MWI and III's storyline

[limpid pond]

I feel like bfv's slide mechanic was the best

I also miss the roll when dropping from heights

[stone cradle]

They'll still keep a campaign to keep the vocal minority happy, they're probably still scared from BO4

[eager spire]

IW was on some "Fuck anyone who had fun" shit when they were making MW22, they probably weren't actually thinking about writing a decent story.

[limpid pond]

Yeah mw22 was a terrible game

[echo yew]

There’s the argument that fast movement makes the pacing too fast and makes slower playstyles unviable but like straight up untrue, even if i can run, jump and slide im still at the disadvantage of some funny guy with a shotgun in a dark corner, slower playstyles are easy and viable by default, agile movement just allows for more diverse playstyles namely in agressive ones

MW2 was leaning too much into nerfing movement options, and while map design was nowhere near as abysmal as mw19’s abomination of maps, the movement nerfs were largely unnecessary

[chilly jacinth]

The new MW story is a disaster anyways

[stone cradle]

Yeah likely from quite a bit of the MW19 writers leaving after that game dropped

They went back to naughty dog and some to some Xbox studios or something

[eager spire]

MW19's campaign wasn't even that good, but for different reasons.

[brittle wind]

SBMM in CoD isn't skill based, it's store based. People who use the skins will be placed into easier lobbies. So when they dunk on bad players they will decide to buy those skins to be more like those ''good'' players. Rinse and repeat.

[echo yew]

I don’t think this was the sentiment as much as just IW being lame and wanting to turn their cod into a tactical version in contrast to treyarch and shg

[stable finch]

oh my god finally someone who gets movement doesnt make the game. its fine to have but dont make it the whole idea of the game

[stable finch]

tinfoil hat conspiracy

[echo yew]

i’d like to jump and slide around tbh

[eager spire]

That's what they wanted MW19 to be like, but then people figured out slide cancelling was a thing. They got pissed about it, and then made MW22 to spite anyone who had fun with MW19.

[stone cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/mw2-mwii-graves-i-wasn't-in-that-tank-well-i-wasn't-in-that-tank-gif-4798220856251318887

[limpid pond]

I feel like mw19 had great maps tbh. Hackney was a very fun map along with ramaza and gunrunner. Some of the classics they brought back were well made too like superstore talsik and even the snow map

[stone cradle]

can't wait for soap to come back and say: "Well I wasn't in that tunnel"

[echo yew]

i know it makes vehicle nerds mad cause i can outpace their mobile fortresses but cope

[echo yew]

They’re more likely to retcon mw3 entirely

[limpid pond]

Nah brother it's 100% skill based

[stable finch]

me too but if its not there then thats okay too, halo added a legacy playlist that was more popular than the other game modes which should say a lot about added unneccessary movement mechanics

[eager spire]

Halo fans are a unique case, to be fair.

[echo yew]

See i would agree but after experiencing delta force i flat out refuse

[eager spire]

Halo fans are the kind of people that hate sprinting as a mechanic.

[stone cradle]

I mean, maybe. Ghosts could be getting a reboot

[stable finch]

everyone is at this point

[eager spire]

...What the fuck are you on about?

[stone cradle]

People have looped back to unironically calling it 'underrated' lol

[echo yew]

delta force is literally mw2 movement but even fucking slower and clunkier

[limpid pond]

Halo k8nda turned around ngl. From the disaster at launch to now it's a major upgrade

[brittle wind]

Makes sense, hopefully next BF won't have that

[limpid pond]

Tbf it's a mobile game tho

Kinda like warface

[stable finch]

i didnt have high hopes for that game

[stone cradle]

So now IW can reboot it for the people who grew up with liking it

[echo yew]

The guns have slow ass ADS times

Literal bastard child of 2042 and mwii

[stable finch]

lol

[echo yew]

Worse than both

[stone cradle]

They supposedly had a dlc focused on ghost that they scrapped for MWIII so honestly I see this 'ghosts reboot' being that as a full game.

Might as well lean fully into fan service

[limpid pond]

Mw3 was the best mw game since like remastered

[brittle wind]

Bruh 😂 If there is SBMM you ain't getting any server browser.

[eager spire]

MW19 was the best Nu-MW game that they made, and it still sucks.

[chilly jacinth]

I wish cod4 remaster wasn't dead

[limpid pond]

Sbmm I don't feel will be plausible in bf. Highly doubt it's there

[eager spire]

It's not good, none of them are.

[chilly jacinth]

Would still be playing that

[stone cradle]

But but it's a Battlefield killer! The youtuber sponsored by them told me!

[chilly jacinth]

if it was alive

[stable finch]

if its the game killer the game is dead on arrival

[echo yew]

Oh yeah i forgor, let’s also not pay attention to botted reviews 😄

act man delete that fucking video

[limpid pond]

Ah poor child. Just like xdefiant was the cod killer yes I know that was sarcasm

[quiet shell]

I wouldn't be surprised if when 2042 hit 100k again they did turn on SBMM to see how it ran and decided the game was better off without it

[stone cradle]

H2m sort of has brought it back alive somewhat

[echo yew]

I said it before

Delta force is just xdefiant for battlefield fans

[eager spire]

xDefiant suffered from not even really trying to be a competitor.

[limpid pond]

Facts

[stable finch]

anthem was the destiny killer but the only thing that can kill that tumor is itsself

[echo yew]

I was hyped for it before release

[chilly jacinth]

Didn't Activision CnD them?

[echo yew]

Truth is

[stone cradle]

I wasn't, since it was from mobile game devs

[limpid pond]

Yes but it's main suffering point was it tried taking a already established player base and it's capital selling point was that it had no sbmm which royally made them eat shit

[echo yew]

any game that markets itself as the “killer” is doomed from start

[brittle wind]

Oh no, mighty grenade launcher with total number of 1 grenades

[echo yew]

If cod, bf or halo die it will be because they killed themselves, simple as

[stone cradle]

yeah but the source code conveniently got leaked before and a team has brought it back with some form of anticheat

[stable finch]

this mf spittin

[eager spire]

I mean, no, the main suffering point was basically being the same as Bo4 but with obnoxious hero abilities and a grand total of two improvements, no SBMM and input based matchmaking, which would've been good if the game was good. But it wasn't, it was an unbalanced mess that was annoying to play, so the fact that it had no SBMM or input based matchmaking did not matter.

[chilly jacinth]

Guess ill check and see if there's even any EU peeps on there then

[stone cradle]

I'll dm you the main server reviving it

I haven't checked it out in months though

[stable finch]

hero/operators are getting so stale.

[brittle wind]

Halo is arguably an arena shooter

[stone cradle]

But they have a site where you can check player numbers

[stable finch]

it is but it has modern day balancing issues

[echo yew]

Ohhh

To add to df being a mw2 x 2042 bastard child

[eager spire]

I'm aware, but the kind of arena shooter i really like is not Halo.

[echo yew]

They were literally using mw19/22 assets

They changed them but lmao

[stone cradle]

They stole 2042 art too lol

[stable finch]

reduce reuse recylce just like bungie

[stone cradle]

"oopsies that was a mistake guys"

[brittle wind]

They have patents for it, they also track your skins, I have no reason to not believe it. They say ''owning'' skins don't effect the matchmaking but they are also not saying ''using'' those skins don't effect the matchmaking.

[stone cradle]

Yeah let me just accidentally steal 2042 art and remove the blatantly clear EA DICE logos

[echo yew]

Wonder how much longer will it take for enders to go back to battlefield

[stable finch]

bro

[stone cradle]

forgot about him

[echo yew]

Not too long as he’s already not having fun in DF kekw

[stable finch]

lizard people do not run the planet

[stable finch]

just now thinking about it too how these games. Xdefiant, the finals, splitgate, etc etc all come out do reletively well at first but die off not too long afterwards.

[stone cradle]

I mean the finals atleast seems like it's got some solid footing

[eager spire]

The Finals isn't dead.

Splitgate is getting a sequel.

[stable finch]

not as popular as it was though

[eager spire]

xDefiant is the only one that you mentioned-

[stone cradle]

Can't say the same about Embark's other game - Arc raiders

[brittle wind]

Visual recoil + bad movement = disaster, MWII is underhated

[eager spire]

You said it died off.

You didn't say it wasn't as popular as it was.

You said it died off.

[stable finch]

it aint that deep

[eager spire]

Anyway, xDefiant is the only game you mentioned that's actually dying.

As in: it's literally not going to be playable anymore cause the servers are shutting down.

[stable finch]

wow that served no purposed to the conversation thank you for your input

[eager spire]

Just because you don't like the response doesn't mean it served no purpose.

[limpid pond]

Yo who's tryna play

[stable finch]

agree

[eager spire]

I mean, people generally hated it. That's why MW23 exists, because people hated MW22 so much that it wasn't going to last as long as they wanted it to.

[brittle wind]

Halo fans hates sprint because it makes maps bigger, maps gets bigger and you get less engagement, not all games needs all the features from other games imo. CS is a prime example of that. That game doesn't have ADS, doesn't have sprint, doesn't have proning, doesn't have million attachments, doesn't have a progression system even. Yet one of the most popular FPS games ever since it came out.

[stable finch]

finally a logical thinker

[merry heart]

And logical twerker

[chilly jacinth]

Who actually plays CS though

Just treat it like a casino

[stable finch]

the EU

[brittle wind]

Russians and other Slavic countries

[naive ember]

[merry heart]

This guy knows

[brittle wind]

Mackay. SFAR. Atacama. Home...

[stable finch]

excuse me?

[brittle wind]

Mackay with SFAR in Haven just feels right

More so than other classes

[stable finch]

oh lol

[brittle wind]

Sundance is good too you can go from B to D with flying

[kindred flint]

sundance and mackay are crutches

i swear i play worse with zain than i do with falck too, even though ive gotten a couple dozen cheeky kills with the airburst .. but i feel like overall with smoke+heal on demand im more proficient

[eager spire]

yes i am aware that CS is very popular, however, it is a very different type of game than Battlefield or even CoD. It is basically a solved game, it's the ideal "tactical" competitive shooter. You can't really meaningfully change anything about that without making it worse in that respect, and it being a success competitively is why it's still relevant.

Well, that and also the fact that a significant portion of the playerbase treats it like the stock market but for gamers, that also helps.

I just don't think most gamers care that much for slower gameplay nowadays.

[kindred flint]

in the time it took you to swap to the airburst you could have just shot them a 2nd time

[eager spire]

Just shooting someone twice
i sleep
Shooting someone with the SVK and then swapping to the XM to kill them
REAL SHIT

[kindred flint]

its nice dice made AI as bad at reviving as regular humans... calling for a revive, AI walks over... revives until the last second and runs away, then throws smoke.. then runs back and revives

[still vault]

If DICE made the AI too competent, people would complain too

[kindred flint]

[shell ermine]

Man I really hope the next game doesn't have bots again.

[limpid pond]

I hope it does I just hope the game doesn't have to use them due to it being such a low player count

[nocturne cairn]

What is with people randomly thinking bots are bad? It just lobby fill for the first few minutes so we dont have to wait ages to start the game.

shit Halo infinites matchmaking sucks so bad it can take 3-5 minutes to get into Big team battle

CoD is the same way if you arent playing the most popular modes

have some context

BF is filling 128 PLAYERS

trust me you want bots to get the ball rolling

[shell ermine]

Well hopefully we are back to 64p and we have a server browser so the "fills lobby" excuse isn't needed

[brittle wind]

I hope we will get a server browser, otherwise I will quit MP FPS

[vital quail]

The one thing that makes me just not want to play is joining a match and seeing half the teams filled with bots

[jagged wyvern]

if the new IFV's are getting stealth can the jets get stealth? this would be very cool

[jagged wyvern]

for me it's the wildcat existing

[abstract night]

I don’t see any problem with bots, but I would prefer Battlefield to stop being inconsistent with having testing range modes

[jagged wyvern]

I reckon Bots wouldn't be an issue with a server browser, people who want High Pop games would know where to find them, people who wanna chill out can got o the low pop servers

portal is cool, but without full progression it's just not worth playing

[eager spire]

BF4: has one
BF Hardline: has one
BF1: Doesn't have one (Technically has one but it was exclusive to Incursions for some reason?)
BFV: Has one
BF2042: Doesn't have one at all

[abstract night]

I agree with this 100%, bots are good for some casual/chill matches

[abstract night]

I would’ve liked a bf1 test range for funsies

[jagged wyvern]

but then there's the one guy in a nightbird who takes 15 minutes to kill you but never leaves you alone and you can't fly anywhere cause he chases you forever

😔

they, they make me use anti air missiles instead of rocket pods, I feel great shame

[eager spire]

a BF1 test range would've been nice considering they reintroduced visual recoil to the game, maybe it would've been less of an issue if people understood that most of the recoil is not real.

but they only did that for Incursions.

[next onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-cat-banging-head-on-wall-loop-cat-banging-head-on-wall-gif-949593721221378445

[eager spire]

accurate representation of DICE

[next onyx]

Nah.

Just opening the chat and the usual shit.

[dapper river]

dumb car......

[naive ember]

Since when are kids allowed to use discord?

[brittle wind]

They should adopt in menu test range system of CoD and Delta Force

[frozen loom]

https://tenor.com/view/vtuber-venezuela-nanda-tayo-vtuber-latam-vtuber-panico-vtuber-panik-gif-17369984638259019079

[abstract night]

this could work for gun loadouts and then they could have a bigger range for vehicle/gadget testing

[wispy rampart]

^ obvious scam, no one click

[kindred flint]

ah yes the famous "stenm" ive heard so much about

[wispy rampart]

comnmunity

[frozen loom]

My team seems to think it's no big deal when there are 3 enemy helicopters clustered together.

I was the only one destroying the vehicles.

[kindred flint]

i was so happy to RNG hit an apache with the lissile on 128p exposure killing it too

thought i missed because boosted too early but he flew into it...i almost cried the kill feed was so beautiful

[frozen loom]

Got top of the leaderboard.

Was in a tank destroying everyone.

Indescriminately.

[pearl ridge]

At least Halo doesn't load you into a totally empty lobby and leaves you to sit there until it times out

[naive ember]

Go play Halo then

[paper meadow]

Is the rendezook playercard acquired by gaining XP?

[elfin pond]

does anyone know all the maps in 128 conquest matchmaking?

[kindred flint]

everything but redacted haven and reclaimed

oh and stadium

[strong snow]

Halo Unreal engine reveal is better than Infinite

[merry heart]

128 is the funnest

[quiet shell]

Wow, I hit a headshot with the M44 from a moving Pondhawk on a moving target and its the ONE TIME I forgot to set up Steam replay

[wide crypt]

They need to design and balance the maps for 64, then let us crazy fools spin them up with 128 players

[clever coyote]

Is there a mortar in 2042?

I've been a bf4 mortar pro for so long I don't know how to play with anything else

[humble ocean]

REAL

[patent pivot]

Best you can do is SPH launcher

And mini grenade

[naive ember]

FAKE

[arctic grove]

Battlefield 1 does have mortar, but I remember there are certain mortar models on some of the tanks in 2042, but they are ass

[sour meadow]

so

i haven't played bf2042 since uhhh July I think lmao

what's new?

[naive ember]

A lot of cheaters are back and more skins

[eager spire]

The game is still bad.

[still vault]

Great game. Zero cheaters.

[eager spire]

clearly biased, he has the little symbol next to his name.

[vivid rune]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DE7gfccS9lN/?igsh=aW52YzVtdXI4eHcw

Did not know Hammond drove that

[still vault]

clearly uninformed, no little symbol next to their name

[sour meadow]

i've only seen like 2 cheaters on 2042

since the game came out too

[naive ember]

Definitely lying or you don't have enough total matches played

[sour meadow]

490 hours on Origin

but with how clever and sneaky cheats are nowadays, it's most likely there were more that i didn't notice

either Easy Anti-cheat actually works, or no one even cares to cheat in 2042

i remember at launch the game was so technically fucked that cheat distributors couldn't get their cheats to work

[eager spire]

don't bother with that guy, he exists to chat shit and do nothing else.

[sour meadow]

oh okay

[chilly jacinth]

I've seen like 20+ ish in my thousand hours in the game

Some of those might be the same people too

[sour meadow]

the first one i saw was like a few weeks after the game launched, and the 2nd was right when season 1 launched

[limpid pond]

Yeah he has a little snip snip going on up there.

Last time I seen a cheater was the Iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii guy who was level 40 just running around aimbottinv and somehow fullautoing a magnum

That was season 3 tho

[limpid pond]

Kinda hard to spot cheaters i. 2042 unless they're pretty obvious

There's one dude named jarhead something and he runs around in 2042 cheating

[sour meadow]

any particular region?

[limpid pond]

Our region. Na east

He plays breakthrough every here and there

[sour meadow]

must be new. i'm NA east too and I don't recall seeing them

also i never play breatkthrough

[limpid pond]

If you ever did you'd see him eventually. He tends to drop 120 kills every game with a throwing knife and if he knows he's gonna lose he pulls out the rm68 and it's just stacks upon stacks of kills from.there

[sour meadow]

classy

[frozen loom]

I like using Lis rockets to just scare off vehicles.

I don't actually care if I hit them.

[spare quest]

skill issue

[frozen loom]

I also think Irish is better than Falck.

In most situations.

https://tenor.com/view/tfs-i-am-the-hype-vegeta-dragon-ball-z-gif-17891515

[naive ember]

That's pretty funny look at what you're doing now and all you do is argue with random players everyday in every channel

[naive ember]

Funny to see you get angry at video games dude

[frozen loom]

He's a keyboard warrior.

[verbal meteor]

can someone help me in #screenshots-and-clips

[spare quest]

flashpoint

[brittle wind]

https://youtu.be/B3p7mtE6W2I?si=CP_I7788nd_FemF6

Leaked BF6 main theme

[night shore]

anyone want to squad up add me QueOndaSir i play objective if your gonna sit in spawn and snipe from there keep on moving

[naive ember]

[gentle kernel]

I created a whole new sniping technique. I call it the the stick drift headshot maneuver.

[kindred flint]

hypothetically does this technique also involve pretending capture zones are lava?

[gentle kernel]

No, but it does get you more consistent headshots. Only mild downside is you have to turn off your brain.

Turns the game into a Headshot simulator 2042. Depends really if that’s you want the game to be.

[next flint]

Anyone else think battlefield should include a leadership vc in BF6 similar to Hell Let Loose? Seems like an oversight not to add it.

Hell they could test it in 2042 to see if people like it

[fickle wharf]

naaah

not a milsimp game

[naive ember]

They need a vote to kick system

[fickle wharf]

yikes

[dapper river]

oh no, I alt tabbed from 2042, time for nvidia overlay to not work

[brittle wind]

Nah, they should include voip instead with the option to disable it

[nocturne cairn]

There is full voip in game for your squad and/or up to an 8 player party

how do people not know

[brittle wind]

Proximity voip*

They should remove Stadium from CQC playlist

Hell remove CQC playlist

Just make Redacted 7/24 lol

[arctic grove]

I would uninstall. Redacted is dog shit.

when that map comes up twice in a rotation I leave. it's not worth playing twice in a row.

no offense

[quiet shell]

I kinda hope the next battlefield has proximity chat that both sides can hear

Would be funny

[arctic grove]

if that's true I'm going to be whispering stuff before i knife people. "nice cheeks, boy"

and then wham, knife

[abstract night]

Would be so fun

[kindred flint]

flashpoint 128p game with a team that is half down on tickets when i join... then join a redacted server where they had a... capped b, lost a lets try server 3

[naive ember]

It's more fun playing redacted BT

[quiet shell]

First EA earnings call is on Feb. 4th, wonder what kind of info we'll get since Andrew Wilson confirmed more battlefield info at earnings calls

[wooden mica]

Man it's almost like every single time my team doesn't have any air defence

And enemy wildcats are invulnerable

[merry heart]

🧢

[frozen loom]

Hat.

[merry heart]

Pizza

[frozen loom]

Why does the range value for the NTW match the DXR?

Feels like NTW's drop-off range is half the distance.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-pizza-whats-your-order-pizza-hut-gif-12324414

[kindred flint]

on the silly graph page? arent those visuals useless anyways

[frozen loom]

[kindred flint]

we gamers arent shmart enough to get like raw numbers on our screen

need bar graph with pretty colors

[frozen loom]

I love infographs.

[brittle wind]

I hate Stadium that's why I want a Redacted only CQC playlist lol, I haven't seen a single team who tries to capture D or A or B when they are locked in E or C. People don't know how to play that map and it's so annoying. Every time I try to capture D I do it alone. Despite it being the most important flag in the map.

[brittle wind]

In-game values are useless, just look at sorrow's spreadsheet

[frozen loom]

Never heard of it.

[eager spire]

there's a url for it

[eager spire]

https://diceplz.com/

found it

[brittle wind]

Just google sorrow's weapon scribbles, you will find a spreadsheet with weapon damage values, TTK, range etc.

[brittle wind]

G428 seems to be bugged, standard extended has higher fire rate than standard for some reason STE-HP-SS seems to be the best combination

[eager spire]

maybe it's intentional.

[brittle wind]

Maybe but it's weird, all the ammo types has 270 rpm but STE has 300

Single fire TTK is worst in ST but rest of the ammo types has the same single fire TTK as their full auto counterparts

So there is a slight delay while single firing too

[eager spire]

maybe it's intentional.

surely they test these things before releasing them.

[brittle wind]

SVK still has ST-extended barrel bug though so I don't think it's intentional When you use extended barrel and standard ammo on SVK you don't lose fire rate, but only works for standard ammo type, other ammo types loses fire rate, when you use standard ammo all the barrels has exact same fire rate though so you're better off using extended rather than shortened or factory

[eager spire]

i mean if they release it that way and they don't fix it, who's to say.

[gritty cypress]

oof, no double ribbon progress for the weekly rewards from the featured mode

i was doing them every week, but i might just call it here

[kindred flint]

jesus....love a throwing team on renewal cant even keep shit on our side of the map

[lucid hawk]

Hi guys need help with the T1

[brittle wind]

What kind of T1?

[frigid field]

Anyone know a good setup for bsvm

I think that’s what it’s called

[kindred flint]

i just ran factory barrel, subsonic high power extended, lwg/bcg grip

[lucid hawk]

Car and gadget and specialist

[lucid hawk]

The car and gadgets and specialist

[frozen loom]

All the recent maps are sniper maps.

Few cover and flat topo.

[limpid pond]

Dude the Logitech g502 hero is such a insane mouse

Like I just got don't literally demolishing the enemy team in infantry breakthrough. I went 44 and 2

[kindred flint]

your mouse came preinstalled with hax

[limpid pond]

Bro check out my video in #screenshots-and-clips and skip to 4 minutes

[limpid pond]

🤙

Wait does 100mb transfer make it not so pixilated

[kindred flint]

it looks so bad full screen

[limpid pond]

Dude I'm saying

It's cause I shared it from the gg app

Let me re-upload

See if maybe 100mb will make it better

[kindred flint]

but ima say you have to be spamming crouch waaay more to get the sick clips approval

[limpid pond]

Alright try it now

I tend to crouch spam while strafing because the everyone else the character model bugs and is super hard to hit

[kindred flint]

why are these enemies so bad holy shit

that 4 piece

[limpid pond]

Brother I went 44 and 2. I literally kept slamming them

I also had 4 streamers on my team who I slammed 2 matches before but they still won

They were a bit salty

[kindred flint]

buT You CouLd HaVe Been 50-2 iF You UseD k30

[limpid pond]

That's true k30 is so good

I got every smg to level 400 at this point

And what's funnier Is I just swapped to mnk 3 weeks ago

This game was designed for mbk and I'm all for it

[restive flax]

All of these 130+ level players and I still get clueless baboons using an aa cannon against infantry mean while we are being eaten alive like a fking loot bug or better yet people riding in my uh60 like is a school trip get out and take the damn fking points why is it so hard...

[scenic storm]

Who's on PS looking to add more soldiers to play more squads

[restive flax]

Me

[scenic storm]

Add me ImGangsterToo

I'm loading in game now

[restive flax]

Doesn't pop up

[scenic storm]

Try again, it's spelt just the same as above capital I and G and T

[restive flax]

Ik doesn't show

[scenic storm]

What is yours I'll add you

[restive flax]

I resetted ps I got it

[scenic storm]

Oh I see it it went through

[merry heart]

man whats with the PP just 3-shotting people from 400m away

[eager spire]

i think you're hallucinating

[restive flax]

not in 3 but def shooting stronger than seemingly for a submachine

[lucid hawk]

Hi guys anyone is playing to get the T1 ?

[merry heart]

yeah there's something going on with that SMG

[brittle wind]

DMd you

[lucid hawk]

?