battlefield-2042

[dapper night]

We still don't know if this Battlefield will be connected from BF4 and 2042

[shell ermine]

Eh

[fervent rose]

robodogs arent standard yet

[buoyant dock]

Can wr also get mortars back

[shell ermine]

Maybe EMP nades, but that's really it

[pine roost]

And honestly I’m fine with that. Unless they come up with some futuristic gadgets that aren’t turrets and wallhacks I’d rather stick to more ‘raw’ gadgets

[dapper night]

Tbf the current conflict has some future tech already but still is quite modern and also the huge uses of drones

[mental delta]

I hope it's not lol

[fervent rose]

it will have literally zero connections

[mental delta]

Yes but BF2042 pushed it a little too far with their railgun tank and rialgun sniper

[fervent rose]

yall are crazy if they put any association with 2042 on their next game

[vocal tusk]

I hope it isn't. Hope they stop trying to use nostalgic characters and events to make games better. Make something totally new.

[next onyx]

Give scar

[dapper night]

And Wallhacks and Grappling Hooks

[fervent rose]

It's going to be called "battlefield" and be a reboot

very cool and very unpredictable

[mental delta]

Fr that's what I've been saying for months lol

Like just create a new timeline

[shell ermine]

BF2 had grappling hooks

[mental delta]

Make something totally new

[mental delta]

Yeah the individual grappling hook...

[dapper night]

It function more as a vertical zipline

[fervent rose]

not at launch and they were SLOW

[shell ermine]

The railguns were inconsequential tbh

[dapper night]

Than what 2042 is having

[shell ermine]

2042 was a modern getting in all but name

[dapper night]

Even Hardline has one but again as a Zipline

[pine roost]

Although their ‘connected universe’ concept sounds like they might try that again

[fervent rose]

i still think thats just corporate buzzword speech and it doesnt mean much besides that there might be a battle royale and a campaign in the same title

[pine roost]

Although with the unfortunate passing of Irish’s VA, and the in-universe deaths of other characters, I feel they might just start over

[shell ermine]

Stick it in the Bad Company universe

[dapper night]

For some reason I see EA will make next Battlefield similar to how 343 did to Halo Infinite specifically being supported for years with interconnected stuffs

[eager spire]

AI generated Irish voice.

[dapper night]

Or what 343 used to wanted

[fervent rose]

the only way i see "interconnected" stuff happening is themed expansions, like bc2 vietnam. but even that is a lot to expect

they just need to make a lot of fun maps, keep it simple

[shell ermine]

Just give is back a server browser and server renting and the rest can be figured out

[eager spire]

Server browser =/= a good game

[dapper night]

Obviously but Server Browser is part of Battlefield

[fervent rose]

i'll take good maps with no server browser over a server browser with bad maps

[shell ermine]

Having custom servers with the ability to customize rules can mitigate a lot

[fervent rose]

its really all about the maps

[dapper night]

Why not both?

[eager spire]

clearly DICE do not share that belief.

[eager spire]

if the game is shit, changing rules can only fix so much.

[shell ermine]

Out of 14 games only 3 didn't have a server browser

[fervent rose]

personally matchmaking is fine and it leads to more "shuffles" of players.

[shell ermine]

BC1, 1943, and 2042

[eager spire]

and those are modern games.

okay dude.

[fervent rose]

bfv for example had annoying problems where one side would be stacked with clans and the servers wouldnt ever shuffle players

[eager spire]

Let's not act like DICE hadn't been heavily pushing people towards just using matchmaking since BF1.

[pine roost]

All I need is the ability to choose a map and mode that has sufficient players. That’s it

[eager spire]

BF1's server browser is so shit it's ridiculous, and BFV's is the same thing.

[shell ermine]

They just have to have a system to shuffle teams between rounds, that's it

[fervent rose]

exactly, all i need is a better matchmaker than 2042's, where i can control where i end up a bit better

so if i dont want to play hourglass, i dont have to

[shell ermine]

Not having a server browser sets a tone that they don't care about the game yet again

[eager spire]

Having a bad server browser is just as telling.

[pine roost]

Cause requeuing because you get a map you don’t like is painfully frustrating

I’d actually play the game more if I play the maps I like

[fervent rose]

disagree, it's a modern concession

[shell ermine]

I barely played BF1 so I don't remember that one, but BFV's was perfectly fine.

[dapper night]

That's what it matters but hearing they're going back to 64p map design is a good since I will be honestly the 64p map design for 2042's DLCs were decent

[robust gorge]

Reminder that Battlefield 2025 is rumoured to be NATO vs Massive PMC (which reminds me of COD: AW where it's US vs Atlas Corporation)

[eager spire]

BF1 and BFV have the same server browser, it's borderline useless unless you only wanna look for specific official servers. Trying to find anything actually run by the community is a pain in the ass, so much so that the one BF1 community i'm in that runs servers literally has a tutorial video on youtube about how to find their servers because the BF1 server browser just sucks that much ass.

[robust gorge]

which a story focused on use of technology in warfare

[shell ermine]

Nah, that's bull. You can have robust matchmaking and a server browser if they cared to do it

[robust gorge]

all of this are rumoured btw

[pine roost]

Don’t trust rumours is all I’ll say

But I’ll take whatever setting in the modern era

[fervent rose]

But there are plenty of reasons to not put in a browser, valid ones.

[eager spire]

It's clear that DICE don't actually give a shit about the server browser, and having it in BF1 and BFV at all was a last minute decision with no effort put in.

[shell ermine]

There are no reasons to not have a browser

[eager spire]

why don't you list those.

[robust gorge]

It's from Tom Henderson so it is kind of credible

[shell ermine]

As long as there is an easy to use upfront matchmaking system, a browser is not a barrier in any way to the average player and is a nice gift to power users

People who have been playing Battlefield for 22 years

[robust gorge]

Anyway we shall see

he's been right so far about the next game

[fervent rose]

sure! it's simpler, faster, and a better experience for the vast majority of players

it's also better for server balance to end the match after a game and reshuffle all players into matchmaking

[pine roost]

Sometimes. While he did manage to nail 2042’s setting, it’s all rumours still so just assume it’s one possible setting and not the defacto

[shell ermine]

I never use matchmaking in BFV, I go straight for the browser every time. I can be sure I'm picking a server that I have a good ping with and that is in a section of maps that I enjoy

[robust gorge]

Also for the next Battlefield game

they confirmed today what he said

[fervent rose]

a good matchmaker will also do better at giving a player variety than a server browser, players often just pick the same map over and over for some inane reason

[eager spire]

Simpler, technically.
Faster, ehh..I could probably load up battlelog and join a favorited server on BF4 faster than matchmaking could do it.
Better experience for the vast majority, how vague.

[dapper night]

Literally my point

[fervent rose]

map voting sucks for this reason

[shell ermine]

They just need to have strong team shuffling between rounds

[robust gorge]

I hope the next game is good

[pine roost]

Won’t lie, my mum could have predicted what Vince said and she’s only heard about battlefield. It’s hardly revolutionary news

[robust gorge]

haha

[fervent rose]

you think the majority of battledads want to open up a browser? they just want to hit play and game

[robust gorge]

Does anyone have faith in Criterion for developing the next single player

[pine roost]

But I think everyone knew what direction the next game will take

[robust gorge]

Ain't disagreeing with you

[shell ermine]

You keep talking like you can't have both

[robust gorge]

just thought that was funny

[robust gorge]

I have faith in them

for some reason

[pine roost]

Haven’t seen what criterion has done before, so I’ve got no clue

[eager spire]

I mean I guess, but there's no reason to exaggerate what little benefits matchmaking has.

[robust gorge]

They were the Need For Speed Devs

[pine roost]

I won’t be playing the singleplayer but of course I wish them the best

[robust gorge]

last game was Need For Speed: Unturned

[fervent rose]

but the system literally is built around servers ending after matches, if you have a server browser, that doesnt happen for those servers

[eager spire]

No, it just changes the map.

[fervent rose]

they could do both

[eager spire]

Which is fine.

[shell ermine]

Change map and shuffle teams

[eager spire]

Because maybe people don't wanna get kicked out of a match after it ends.

People hated it when CoD started doing that.

[shell ermine]

One of the biggest complaints in modern COD is disbanding lobbies

[fervent rose]

talking about cod is a big can of worms

[eager spire]

Yes.

[fervent rose]

they use crazy matchmaking algorithms that bf wont use

64 players is too much for cod's "eomm"

[eager spire]

mostly because those algorithms wouldn't scale up well.

yes.

But still, mentioning CoD is relevant because there are people that appreciate not being kicked out of a match when it ends, instead just staying in the server as it changes maps.

[shell ermine]

The point is that the long term core audience doesn't like it when their games make choices like that for them

[fervent rose]

I think the matchmaker could provide the exact experience you're looking for too

[pine roost]

The simple fact that you can’t choose what map you play is a crime, and enough reason to add it

[fervent rose]

they just need thresholds for servers ending after matches

if its a stomp, reset and kick everyone

even match? shuffle a bit and change map

just because the last matchmaking systems were dog poop doesnt mean matchmaking itself is bad

[shell ermine]

I'm sure they could figure out a system where if you join via matchmaking it can shuffle you around to different servers whereas if you join via the browser it'll keep you in the same server.

At most. I'd prefer just team shuffling

[robust gorge]

realistically speaking why would NATO fight a massive PMC

What are ya'll theories?

[eager spire]

I don't care.

To be frank.

[chilly jacinth]

It's plausible

[shell ermine]

I do wonder if they'll have Russia as a faction this time

[fervent rose]

the setting is about the least important thing

[shell ermine]

It would be kinda fun if the game was set in the turmoil of a post-breakup Russia

[fervent rose]

unlikely tbh a fully fictional thing is what i expect

[shell ermine]

So you'd have like say a Tsarist Muscovy faction, maybe a MEC faction, PAC faction, etc

[fervent rose]

even though they are perfect as the bad guys in a modern setting

[shell ermine]

No modern Russia faction because it shouldn't exist anymore

[robust gorge]

MEC?

[shell ermine]

Middle Eastern Coalition

[robust gorge]

Russian PMC maybe?

[robust gorge]

oh

i forgot about them

[fervent rose]

i'd like someone besides russia tbh just for a hardware change after 2042

[shell ermine]

They probably won't do China because they (EA) are cowards

[fervent rose]

chinese vehicles in the hands of fictional bad guys though

[pine roost]

Doubt they’ll allow that either

[tender folio]

they gotta make $$$ ... so, no

[naive ember]

Bend the knee to EA

[mental delta]

That's a bit of a wasted opportunity to make multiple factions system comeback

Like 6 or 8 factions in the game

Depending on the map you're playing

[lilac dust]

https://x.com/TCMF2/status/1835767160729166276 I'm sorry but this fanmade picture looks like a PS1 game cover lol

[fervent rose]

it could work, nato doesnt necessarily mean that the forces are one big blob, it could be different armies under nato for each map

i do miss the maps having different factions

[naive ember]

Looks nothing like a ps1 game cover, it looks like ps5 game cover

[eager spire]

you look like a PS1 game cover.

[frank rain]

Give lis back

Lis should be there in future battlefield

[naive ember]

Thanks, Ps1 is OG so yeah

[lilac dust]

You look like a PS1 game cover .... and omfg noooo fucking way. I actually clicked showed message before sending this and lo and behold they said the exact same thing I was gonna type hahahaha

[naive ember]

Still salty I see after I told you weeks ago that 2042 is the best bf

[eager spire]

HA

[naive ember]

You really believe him bud?

He copied you my friend

Can't think of anything himself

[eager spire]

i donno. doesn't really matter cause i said it first

[frank rain]

Oh yeah lis back in action

It's for sure there will be new lus

[mental delta]

I don't think it'll be like this

If I had to guess I'm gonna say it's NATO with multiple countries amongst the same team and you have customization option to choose which country you want your player to be from

But I agree I really want multiple factions back

[tall jackal]

This NATO thing is going around as a rumour and I think so too

[mental delta]

It's that kind of almost confirmed rumor lol

People were a bit tired of the classic USA VS Russia

BF2042 was supposed to not have those teams as there were specialists but it ended up having it again

Apparently they want to prevent polemics due to war in Ukraine

Would make sense to have no specific countries as teams for once

[amber kelp]

NATO as a faction also makes a good deal of sense from a live service standpoint. With over 30 countries, theres plenty of uniforms they can pull from.

Similarly a PMC allows them to get a bit creative and possibly pull from many non-nato countries.

Or the PMC could pull from nato stock and have the team differentiated with armbands like we see in real modern war

[patent pivot]

Bring back china

Or other Asian countries

[calm bison]

Leopard 2A7 in BF

[tall jackal]

I would love to see the Saab Gripen

[dreamy cove]

Ima li balkanaca za koju partiju? Javljajte se u dm ako ima

[tall jackal]

Somehow I don't believe it would make it into the game

[mental delta]

No matter what they do with skins I hope each class can be easily differentiated with each other (which still keeping customization options) and that each team differentiate from each other

Please Dice let's not have clone conflict again

It's cringe and it's ass

[mental delta]

I'd like too but game would get banned from China

[tall jackal]

Exactly like BF5 character customization you mean

[patent pivot]

And what, another world war?

[mental delta]

Wdym ?

[amber kelp]

should be one notable, irreplacable item on each class that makes them stick out. Like how BF1 had the crutches on every medic

[patent pivot]

What's the consequences besides halving player base

[mental delta]

Yeah I felt like this game found the perfect customization system for BF, only thing it may have lacked is a clear distinction between all classes

[amber kelp]

you cut off the game from a good billion people for little benefit

[tall jackal]

Yep and the lack of actual good cosmetics and skins

[fervent rose]

🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑 EA looking at chinese player profits

[tall jackal]

BFV had some weird skins ngl

[amber kelp]

Granted, you can make china playable without getting your game banned. Squad did this with no issues. BF4 was banned because its campaign has them as cartoonishly evil and stupid, and had the US leveling their cities

[mental delta]

Yeah exactly like maybe let Assault have no particular thing on it but Engineer would always have rockets on his back, Support would have clearly visible ammo around him and Sniper couldn't have helmet no matter the customization but instead would have a face mask or some hood

[amber kelp]

Engineer would always have rockets on his back
but what if he has mines?

[tall jackal]

He is a fake

[mental delta]

He would have rockets nonetheless

[mental delta]

Some were good though, a BFV type of customization system would require more helmets and torso options but it could be good

[amber kelp]

I say give engineers a large backpack.

Another thing that helps distinguish classes is locked weapons and weapon animations. Like in battlefront, they gave up on sillhouettes a long time ago. However, officers are clearly distinguished because they hold a pistol in one hand.

[mental delta]

Yes it could be that but for gun animations idk

Maybe just prevent some classes to play some gun categories

[amber kelp]

lock gun categories to one class each, no half measure shit

[mental delta]

Like Carbines, DMR and Shotguns are available for everyone but LMG is only for Support and Sniper for Recon

Idk

[tall jackal]

And lets just take a moment and hope they don't put glowsticks on player models because visibility is trash in 2042

[amber kelp]

armbands

[mental delta]

BF4 system was good imo, some gun categories were shared between classes and 4 weren't

[tall jackal]

Nice fkn airsoft game

[plucky badger]

I am facing high CPU usage rate 100%, are there any kind of solutions?

[amber kelp]

eeeh. giving everyone a shotgun is questionable, and DMR just kinda sucked. Splitting DMRs and snipers also lead to each category feeling very samey with little variation.

[tall jackal]

Making enemies and teammates more distinguishable is just laughable because the visiblity is bad

[mental delta]

That part of BF2042 killed me ngl
Yeah let's just have cloned morons fighting each other and to differentiate them they'll get... glowsticks

[tall jackal]

[mental delta]

Idk DMR and Snipers felt really different for me

[amber kelp]

theyre different from eachother but the dmrs all felt the same and the snipers all felt the same

even in the stats menu many DMRs look borderline identical

My take, if theyre going with BF4's route:
Assault: Assault Rifles
Engineer: Shotguns, Carbines, PDWs (these are generally rarer categories in militaries, so less of each)
Support: LMGs
Recon: DMR, Snipers

only real issue with quantity of a weapon type is lmgs because everyone and their mother uses an m249 variant. maybe give support the shotguns?

[mental delta]

I'd go the other way around personally, I think they're going to make all guns playable with each class which I kinda despise

[amber kelp]

i hope not. Vince seems to indicate he is at least self aware

[tall jackal]

Yeah but I would like to see dual primary for assault like an AR and a PDW or shotgun then same as your list but not shotgun as engineer. Also making all guns acessable to all classes makes it kinda boring

Maybe shotgun for engineeer

[amber kelp]

I dont think the assault really needs a 2nd weapon type

thats mostly an OCD thing

[tall jackal]

Ye not needed but maybe as a "spec/perk)

[fervent rose]

every kit should have variety and every kit should have a specialty

[amber kelp]

oh wait do you mean 2 primaries at once?

[tall jackal]

Ye

[amber kelp]

underbarrel shotguns

[fervent rose]

example: recon should get the suppressed full autos like vss/asval

they shouldnt get every full auto though

[tall jackal]

True but what about AR and another AR or PDW

[amber kelp]

why?

[tall jackal]

Not as the class but maybe as a spec

Like we had in BF4

[amber kelp]

but why?

That was never a thing in bf4

[tall jackal]

No...

Perks/specs like we had in BF4

What is it called now again

[fervent rose]

the squad perks?

[amber kelp]

yeah thats like minor shit not turning you into rambo

[mental delta]

Ho good then I'll be honest with you I prefer each gun category to be tied to a single class over a gun free system lol

[fervent rose]

i never liked squadperks

[mental delta]

Ideally I'd like BF4 system to come back

But if we don't have that the BF1 and BFV systems are th best option

[amber kelp]

V's balance is kinda fucked and idk how well 1's translates to modern day

[fervent rose]

how was v's balance fucked

[amber kelp]

have you seen the assault class?

[fervent rose]

every class has monster guns

have you seen the Lewis Gun or the ZH?

[tall jackal]

STG

[fervent rose]

and medic is the best class in that game easily

[tall jackal]

Suomi

[amber kelp]

my guy the assault has the most versatile guns and the most powerful gadgets. V is fucked

[fervent rose]

zk medic is literally the best thing

[tall jackal]

Kinda depends on the playstyle but ye I agree. Also support is by far the worst out of all lol

[amber kelp]

support is this wierd pile of miscellaneous mechanics they dont know what to do with

[tall jackal]

True, and I hope for the next entry they make support the actual medic

Like in BC2

[fervent rose]

you're making it out to be more complex than it is. you get the spec that auto spots when you shoot, you slap a 3x on your lmg, and you go to town

3x lmgs were nasty strong

[amber kelp]

its not complex its just unfocused and messy

[mental delta]

I'm not talking about balance nut about gun restrictions I mean bro you said yourself you want it to come back to gun restrictions

💀

[amber kelp]

oh yeah I would prefer that. I just think that those two specific implementations arent ideal

[fervent rose]

but you're trying to suggest support didnt have its own niche which it did, full auto scoped weapons

and they were some of the strongest guns in the game

[mental delta]

Me neither but between this and what we got with BF2042 I'd prefer that

[amber kelp]

it had about 20 niches at once

[fervent rose]

one was shotguns, the other was scoped rifles, the other mmgs

[dapper night]

They're not ready to share this news yet but I'm wonder since the next BF is going back to 64p does this mean we'll go back to 64Hz?

[fervent rose]

thats 3, its not that hard

[amber kelp]

wow the class has guns.

riveting

[tall jackal]

It was never 64 it was 30 or 60

I think

[fervent rose]

what are you even talking about at this point we are discussing gun balance

[tall jackal]

I think its atleast 60hz, might be 120 but unlikely

[dapper night]

I hope we go back to 64 or 60 tick rate, BF4 had 60Hz and a 120Hz (I believe 120Hz was reserved for lower play count game modes)

[fervent rose]

bfv had 60hz ya. and i think they reduced it to 45 for 2042

[tall jackal]

Thats trash wtf

[fervent rose]

128 players = game dont work properly

[tall jackal]

Ye lol

[fervent rose]

thats also why they had to remove the classic bf scoring system

it broke cpus with how much was calculated

128 was a disaster

[dapper night]

Oh wait nvm I read it as 128 Hz

My bad but my point still stands I believe during BF4 they tried 120Hz but the vehicles were affected in a bad way

[fervent rose]

yeah 120 is an option in server creation in 4,but like you said it creates bugs

staircases dont work properly i think among other things

[tall jackal]

Can we talk about the lagging minimap in 2042

xD

Its got input lag lol

[final wadi]

@fervent rose which mode is the best to play on

[fervent rose]

for 2042? i liked breakthrough the most

[final wadi]

That's cool

[fervent rose]

although the best map they added is redacted and thats best on conquest

[tawny carbon]

The servers they always use by dice is 45hz

[quiet shell]

Community testing for the next battlefield in early 2025 is huge ngl

the earliest the community had gotten it's hands on a battlefield game previously was the summer alpha tests for BF1

[dapper night]

Yeah it felt like it's way too good to be true

Also a good move by DICE by letting the community tested it before it will launch

[dapper night]

Wait really? Not BF4?

[tawny carbon]

https://x.com/bfbulletin/status/1836106985038565781?s=46

Battlefield Bulletin (@BFBulletin) on X

The next #Battlefield game is being built by 4 studios.

🔹 DICE: Leading the charge on Multiplayer.
🔹 Criterion Games: Driving content and experiences across Single Player and Multiplayer.
🔹 Motive: Single Player storytelling.
🔹 Ripple Effect: "New Battlefield Experience"

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 6:16 PM

[quiet shell]

Battlefield 1 alpha was in May during the reveal event I believe

[dapper night]

I swear BF4 had gotten it's hand from the community way too early also

[quiet shell]

BF4 Alpha was in June during a summer event

[dapper night]

Was the playable map that they've tested was St Quentin Scar only?

[quiet shell]

I think so yeah. It was when they had youtubers and celebrities playing the game

[dapper night]

Cuz that made sense since I didn't remember BF Youtubers talked about the Horse Mechanic

When the game got first reveal that is

[dapper night]

All I remember for the Celebrity at least was Snoop playing it

And as always smoking

[tender folio]

always like BF concept arts. Would love to make them as desktop wallpaper

[trim nexus]

Well this is new, when has EA ever done an in person investor event like this?

Also people calling the new concept art AI is so frustrating lol

It’s clearly photobashed

That has been around for decades, you could literally see photographs of buildings and trees in the image

[trim nexus]

I love the apocalyptic look

God

The first image reminds me of BF3

[eager spire]

Maybe it's photobashed from AI images.

People are justified in believing it could be AI, the EA CEO seemed keen on integrating it.

[mental delta]

Dice being exclusively on Multiplayer and Motive being on Singleplayer is a really good thing

Idk what to say about Ripple Effect though as we don't know what they're doing

[patent pivot]

That means no solo mode

Bummer

[mental delta]

Apparently the new experience might be a BR mode

[patent pivot]

[mental delta]

With a mode named Gauntlet

[mental delta]

There's literally a whole studio on it lol

[patent pivot]

You said motive on single player

[mental delta]

Yes

[patent pivot]

Campaign story?

Not multiplayer with bots, solo?

[remote kiln]

there is already a campaign story it's been known for ages

don't ask anything about a solo mode or otherwise we will have no idea until down the line

[vital quail]

Bro is literally addicted to only playing bots

[vocal tusk]

https://www.ea.com/news/investor-day-2024

Announced a modern-day next-level Battlefield™ experience, with a community testing program coming in early 2025;

Community testing program Early 2025 😁

[naive ember]

King EA

[zealous kayak]

which is the best battlfield in your guys opinion?

I have 1, 2, and 2042

[remote kiln]

4

not sure how you have battlefield 2 I think you mean 5

[steep dirge]

is it possible to buy battle pass even without owning the game? I mean I only have through EA Play

[patent pivot]

4 for modern warfare
1 for world war

[dapper night]

4 definitely

[candid mulch]

theres not a single 120tick server on bfIV atm

[dapper night]

There is actually but for smaller size game modes and currently no one is playing it

[fervent rose]

bf3, bc2, bf2

in that order for top 3

[candid mulch]

oh man i hope its good

bf2042 is shite, its fun to play but its crap

bf3 was the best battlefield ever made

it even won the place voted by the bf community

second being bf4 third being idk

[quiet shell]

I hope this is open access and not like, you have to be a content creator or a very old head battlefield player based on internal data of users

[dapper night]

I give up playing 2042 honestly due to having a bad game design or game design that I didn't like

[eager spire]

Why is BF3 the best BF ever made?

[autumn tartan]

Anyone know if there's a way to uninstall/reinstall bf2042 on Steam without having it redownload the whole thing? Been having this problem since the weekly change last night where the game crashes my graphics drivers and I have to reinstall them for my monitor to work. Also getting a "game session not available" error for most portal servers 😦

[candid mulch]

cause its bf3

[eager spire]

how vague.

What exactly about it is better than any other game?

[candid mulch]

how is it not the best ever made?

and what made others any better than this one?

theyre not that different

[vocal tusk]

BF3 has such a tight gameplay loop

[candid mulch]

just bf3 playability in general it was smooth and nice

and it had LEVOLUTIONS

LEVOTUIONS RAAGH

[fervent rose]

bf3 has everything, even if it has obvious gameplay flaws like suppression. its not a perfect game but its the best total package they have delivered so far

[dapper night]

Tbf it's his opinion but if you ask me is the immersive experience, the gameplay and movement being crisp and has weight to it even the vehicles are also crisp plus the maps

BF3 still has some of the best launch maps

[fervent rose]

bf3 nails everything. visuals, sounds, gameplay, maps, vehicles

[vocal tusk]

I know people hate supression a lot, but IMO its one of the reasons BF3 worked as well as it did, gunplay wise.

[fervent rose]

lots of games are downgrades compared to bf3 in terms of physics and microdestruction

[eager spire]

This is not a comphrensive list, this is just every reason I can come up with off the top of my head. Ready? Go.

-Blue tint
-Blinding sun
-Absolutely dead on PC, even with Venice Unleashed
-UI that's locked to 720p and is incredibly small on larger monitors
-Battlelog hasn't aged well, especially for BF3
-Player movement that isn't smooth as what would come in BF4
-Gunplay is inferior, purely because BF4 removed visual recoil, which improved the quality of it substantially
-DLC's are unplayable
-Suppression
-15hz servers

[candid mulch]

i loathe bf2042 chopper and jet movement

[zealous kayak]

what time period is BF 3 set in?

[fervent rose]

bf4 player movement is definitely not better than bf3

[eager spire]

i disagree, i think it's good.

[fervent rose]

being able to fling myself around in midair by flinging my mouse around is dumb

[eager spire]

but it's fun and that's what matters

[fervent rose]

i am glad they left that in bf4

[dapper night]

I can counter with number 3 since BF4 is technically a reskin of BF3 many players moved to BF4 after BF3's life cycle

[fervent rose]

you can go play bf4 though its fine if thats the one thing you care about

[vocal tusk]

I hated counter knifing and front knifing in BF4

[eager spire]

I disagree with the claim that BF4 is a reskin of BF3.

If it's a reskin then it's the best reskin of all time.

[dapper night]

It is though my point still stands plus BF3 on PC was popular back then tbf

[eager spire]

Battlelog UI is more usable even now, UI is better because it can be scaled properly for resolutions above 720p, visual recoil got removed

[fervent rose]

ya thats dumb stuff, i never cared for it

[vocal tusk]

But BF4 naval combat, is super good. Its a pity we didnt get more maps like Paracel storm

[patent pivot]

Nah

I like the knife

[dapper night]

Remember BF3's 64p was only available for PC back then

[eager spire]

yes i'm aware

[dapper night]

Due to PS3 and Xbox 360 not able to run it

When the next gen console started running, BF4 was already ready for being release (that is another issue)

I remember many people were trying to upgrade their PCs for BF3

[fervent rose]

i had to buy a new gpu for bf3

it didnt fit but i made it fit

[vocal tusk]

Naval strike also super great. Having boats and advanced naval/swimming capabilities allows you to do so much more with your maps and designs

[eager spire]

BF4 was an upgrade from BF3. I just think so many aspects of it just did not age well compared to BF4.

Also, forgot 15hz servers.

From that list.

[patent pivot]

Best leaving behind exclusive missing maps

[fervent rose]

see thats the reason why it hasnt aged well

the rest is nitpicking, the netcode was an issue

[eager spire]

well that and the UI and the blue tint that looks ugly and the blinding sun and the fact that visual recoil exists

a lot of people complained about the blue tint and sun don't tell me that's nitpicking.

I was around at the time

I saw the complaints myself.

[patent pivot]

I'm playing on VU

And

None of those complaints are big deals

I find them fine or okay

[fervent rose]

a remake of bf3 with most of your complaints would still sell like hotcakes as long as the netcode was tight

it'd be nostalgic sun blinding

[eager spire]

yeah yeah, nostalgia, the killer of all actual quality discussion

"i grew up with it so it's fine actually".

[mental delta]

https://x.com/BFBulletin/status/1836116147382390900?t=tfmjoCExjZemKschFj2LEg&s=33

Battlefield Bulletin (@BFBulletin) on X

EA: "We've been playing the (next #Battlefield) game nearly daily for well over a year."

The #Battlefield teams have prioritized what they call their "green initiative" which means they're focused on software stability and the game is ALWAYS playable for playtesting.

They're

Twitter · Sep 17, 2024, 6:52 PM

[amber kelp]

"were ahead of schedule"

[mental delta]

The concept art seems to show BF2042 futuristic Abrams

[mental delta]

Please no bro

[tepid flax]

Nah BF3 was good

It’s just that BF4 was better

[candid mulch]

i didnt like some stuff about bf4

mainly the maps were very urgh, they were great but i dunno i got tired of em too quick

[tepid flax]

Every game in the franchise has had its issues tbf

[candid mulch]

lens flare, my eyes

[eager spire]

BF3 was good for it's time, but it's not aged well, and overall BF4 has aged much better.

[candid mulch]

the copter flying on bf4 on god that was some hardcore stuff to learn

[eager spire]

basically, it's good, but it could be better.

[tepid flax]

Idk man bf1 is the goat is the franchise for me

[candid mulch]

in bf2042 i came and i was a chopper god instantly lol in bf4 the physics

[eager spire]

why?

[candid mulch]

a good copter pilot on bf4 is fkin massive balls

[amber kelp]

Idk if thats an abrams

[candid mulch]

i gunned a month ago for a chopper guy which flew under bridges did fkin movie scenes liek it was nuthin

[tepid flax]

It just felt so good. The gameplay, the unique setting, the graphics, the atmosphere was unbeatable and I don’t think any game in shooters in general will top the BF1 atmospheric feel

Oh and it introduced operations

[candid mulch]

meanwhile i can kill other players in bf4 by ramming into them and thats the most i can do lol

[mental delta]

Do you think there's some War Thunder try harder in this server we could ask to ?

[candid mulch]

and meanwhile theres a little bird player who was 120 kills no deaths he was the entire match in his bird and was killing people for fun by slamming on em

[amber kelp]

we just need to find a tank that matches those tubes on the top

[candid mulch]

yea i loved how bf1 plays

just the gameplay itself its soooo smoooooth

[tepid flax]

BF peaked for me with BF1

[tepid flax]

It was so different as well

[mental delta]

I didn't even notice that

[tepid flax]

Nobody had done WW1

And they absolutely smashed it

[candid mulch]

i mean its ww1 but if that gameplay was put into this new bf id be so stoked

[amber kelp]

it looks like a leclerc almost

[mental delta]

Not only for you but the sales that year tend to confirm that even though BF1 isn't my favorite BF

[eager spire]

I donno, I don't really like BF1's gameplay. The fact that they reintroduced visual recoil and also removed all of the aspects of player movement that made BF4 interesting was really annoying.

They added sliding, but then they nerfed it so hard that it's worthless.

[candid mulch]

whats visual recoil

[tepid flax]

I think it’s good though that it did feel different

[amber kelp]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leclerc_tank Compare the top to the tank in the middle

[eager spire]

Visual shaking of a weapon that has nothing to do with where your shots are actually going.

[remote kiln]

visual recoil is fake recoil essentially

[tepid flax]

It made it feel unique that way and also gave BF4 more longevity

[opal salmon]

gta 6 leak

[tepid flax]

Because they both felt very different

[eager spire]

Most of the ways it felt different were not great though

[tepid flax]

Agree to disagree

[eager spire]

full auto weapon fire was mostly hipfire with trench variants cause visual recoil was that bad.

[amber kelp]

the trench variants which have extremely strong hipfire

[eager spire]

yes. it's cringe.

[candid mulch]

thats dumb

i loved just how idk fluent bf1 was with everything

just the overall feel of the movement shooting and such

[amber kelp]

nah theyre fun to use

and pretty unique for these types of games

[tepid flax]

BF1 was an incredibly fun game

[patent pivot]

The war narrator was fantastic

[tepid flax]

Especially at a time when people were fed up of futuristic stuff across shooters in general

[amber kelp]

nooooooooooo you cant have fun the game doesnt let you bounce around like a crackhead

[tepid flax]

Operations is still some of the most fun I’ve had in any game

[chilly jacinth]

You can move around like a crackhead

[amber kelp]

in 1?

[candid mulch]

wdym about moving like a crackhead

talkin bout 2042?

even choppers move like crackheads in 2042

[amber kelp]

talkin about games with a busted slide or other shit like that

[candid mulch]

but the slide was fixed

id get it more if he was talking about like movement difference on BO6 and the older ones

everyone is a gymnast there

and a snake too

also wtf why is bo6 80 euros

dumbfkin guys i bet they wanted to inflate games

[amber kelp]

because people keep buying their trash

[glass condor]

The new battlefield will probably have a bad priceing

Inflations a bitch

[pine roost]

Surprised we found the spot so quickly. Where is this?

[glacial saffron]

I am pre ordering the new battlefield Day 1

[tawny carbon]

Same

[vale barn]

hello please let it be 60 bucks

thats too fucken expensive too

[stone cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/voldemort-never-pity-gif-19620932

[echo yew]

the fog is coming

[patent pivot]

You're gonna die soon

[robust gorge]

Curious if we see the Bell V-280 Valor (Replacing the Black Hawk) in the new BF Game

[robust gorge]

What tank is that

[echo yew]

i honestly hope they do mean modern and go with like extremely modern stuff even if its prototypes, would set it apart

[robust gorge]

We have to keep in mind that the Marine Corps is also completely changing with Force Design 2030 and the Army is gonna Transform into a Multi-Domain Force

as well as the M1E3 Abrams and the Air Force's NGAD

as well as the DDG (X) for the Navy and the space based radar for the Space Force

so i wonder how modern they will go

[echo yew]

not super modern but i wanna see the F22

[robust gorge]

Not the NGAD?

[remote kiln]

Gibraltar

[candid mulch]

No not inflation

Purposely making games more expensive, cod devs arent old cod devs theyre bankers now

[river zinc]

There was an earnings call today no?

[dapper night]

Hell I would even argue we'll get the NGSW stuffs as one of the extra weapons

[pine roost]

Seen some more stuff floating around about the presentation during that investor day

Sounded like the same old, but was there anything mildly interesting shared?

[echo yew]

the M7 Spear, RM68 and Textron rifles all would be cool to see, the HK433 and Bren 3 assault rifles

[mental delta]

Leclerc

[dapper night]

Something about releasing a Community Test Program for the community to playtest it next year

[tawny carbon]

Sometime early next year

I’m thinking spring/summer time

[pine roost]

Guessing it's just a closed alpha type deal

[quiet shell]

The Textron rifle was kinda goofy ngl

I dont see it being taken seriously in the next game

[quiet shell]

The way they worded it, it seemed intended for public access

[pine roost]

in that case it won't be nda'd

which will be interesting

[quiet shell]

I have a feeling DICE wants to be as transparent and open as possible with this one

Cause they have a lot of bridges to rebuild

[sullen violet]

They should, also seems they are doing a lot of testing to see if things work well

[zealous loom]

I’ve seen some people try and pull the card “they said this last time” when 2042 launched, but 2042 fumbled way harder than any BF before. So I have some faith in hearing what they have to say now. Like surely they know if they fumble even a little bit the game is chalked. They know we are expecting something good so I bet they pull through, at least for the most part.

[quiet shell]

Yep, the attitude with this battlefield vs 2042 is immediately different

The fact that they're acknowledging that 2042 failed should've been a huge green flag for the sceptics

[zealous loom]

Yeah, they’re literally admitting they fucked up and are making strides to make it not happen again from the looks of it, and it makes sense that they’d do so and not lie about it

I’m other words, they know they can’t mess this up

[quiet shell]

I'm personally still hesitant and I dont plan to pre-order but I do want to give them a benefit of doubt and see what a DICE rebuilt from the ground up by Vince and 4 talented studios can pull off

[zealous loom]

Im definitely cautiously optimistic, I have faith but yeah can’t really tell until we play it or at least see some raw gameplay

[quiet shell]

I wonder if we'll get a reveal trailer soon

or even like the earliest of early demo's

[tawny carbon]

They don’t want it to happen again from 2042 from the community cuz of communication

2042 lacked coms

[sharp marlin]

Hi guys , Can anyone give me a good private servers EU for BF2042 ?

[sullen violet]

Vince Zampella seems to have a good path for battlefield from my understanding. Ign article got me quite excited to where things are going

[sullen violet]

You mean like portal server?

[sharp marlin]

yes

[sullen violet]

Maybe ask in #portal 🤷

[sharp marlin]

sorry I'm new here

will try

thank you

[sullen violet]

Is fine bro

You are very welcome, enjoy gaming

[sharp marlin]

you too

[sullen violet]

[zealous loom]

Lmao so wholesome

[mental delta]

I hope we get to see more progress anout next game in upcoming months

Like some images

They said I could Ne part of playtests if I was a good boy

[pine roost]

He is titanfall guy so I trust him mostly

[mental delta]

He said no specialists give this lad a raise

😎

[sullen violet]

We'll see how it goes, at least form the interview seems he have a good overview what's needed for the future

[pine roost]

Although to be honest, those things are like the bare basics needed to even begin regaining people’s trust

I’m most keen to see the finer details but of course that’s a good year away

[sullen violet]

Ngl specialists was great and a lot of freedom in the start, but it removed team play a lot and people would probably always want classes again anyway. Glad we wont get specialists again to say that

[mental delta]

I hated them every fucking minute I played that game and I got 600 hours on it

Sure it was new

Sure it was original

But it was so fucking terribly executed

Their look

[sullen violet]

Sounds great on paper but not in practice

[mental delta]

Their balance

[sullen violet]

Also seems this time they really pushing hard for testing stuff properly, which is music to my ears really

[mental delta]

Yeah that's the mind of shit I'd have loved them yo keep in the restrooms and not make it a part of their game

[pine roost]

Internal playtests would be happening continuously anyways, but I’m mostly curious to hear about the more open ones

[mental delta]

BF2042 probably didn't get tested much otherwise they would have not released it like this

[pine roost]

Cause you’d need to open it up enough sufficiently early in the game’s development to give room for iteration and improvement without wasting too many resources, but not early enough to be nda material

[sullen violet]

I wouldn't say that though, it was a good idea if you think freedom and sandbox. But it don't really work that well so should have been tested more if you ask me. They did something new in this which is soo great, you can use any weapon on any class. Gives you the chance to play the class you want with the weapon you want or the other way around

[pine roost]

I’m just expecting it to be more playtesting sessions through ea’s regular means that are internally held

[sullen violet]

2042 also felt a bit rushed on top of everything. At least Zampella seems to have control, and from article very promising

[pine roost]

Either way I’ve got games to play in the meantime, and there is plenty of meantime…

[zealous loom]

No other good fps games

[pine roost]

Shooter wise I’ve got doom eternal, gloomwood (partially), deadlock, battlefield still and xdefiant to enjoy

[remote kiln]

sorry to inform you

[zealous loom]

Oh yeah I was thinking multiplayer

Doom and Space Marine are excellent though

[mental delta]

The whole idea of not having real differentiated teams and characters was dumb af lol they presented this game as some immersive crap where the world was collapsing and you had to fight for a side to survive and then they destroy any sense of immersion by having 10 Falck at the same place at the same moment

It just didn't make sense the way it was made

[tawny carbon]

Mmm 🤔 concept art for the EA investor thingy

[pine roost]

Keep an eye out for splitgate 2 perhaps

[remote kiln]

splitgate 2 is going to be DOA lol

[mental delta]

For now we only saw "unusual vehicles"

[pine roost]

I’ll play it anyways

[tawny carbon]

Robot dog under heli

[pine roost]

I loved the first one to bits

[zealous loom]

Looks gritty

[pine roost]

That’s cause of the dust

[opal salmon]

its that Ugandan movie helicopter scene

[pine roost]

[zealous loom]

[tawny carbon]

That’s the full pic

[sullen violet]

Yeah. Personally i think they should spend all the time they need for testing and making it great overall. I'd rather wait an extra year for them to test things best of their ability, than get a game that is ehhhh at launch

[tawny carbon]

Nope. That’s a human. Not a robot dog

[mental delta]

M16 spotted 👀

[zealous loom]

I can see it better in the full
Pic

[tawny carbon]

I’m slow lol

[zealous loom]

Relatable

[tawny carbon]

Would be nice to see robot dog from 2042 coming back

Not sad if it doesn’t

[young panther]

no

[mental delta]

https://tenor.com/view/no-donkeys-shrek-gif-1107972158425297474

[sullen violet]

Same. Many people seem to have problems with it, but skill issue i guess 🤷

[young panther]

nuh uh

[tawny carbon]

They are ez to take out

Many ways to take them out

[mental delta]

That's the other way to me lol shit is useless

[sullen violet]

Yeah not too bad, ofc depending on your gear too though

[mental delta]

Can't recall last time I hit killed with this shit and I'm a bad player

[tawny carbon]

You can always shoot it to death

[pine roost]

I just hate anything that behaves like a turret

[sullen violet]

You know funny enough i dont even use the call in menu, i keep forgetting. So wouldn't really care if they removed that menu

[pine roost]

Just feels cheap

[mental delta]

It ain't fucking COD

[sullen violet]

Really question is though, will we get drones that can drop grenades? 🤔

[mental delta]

I hope they remove it tbh lol

[pine roost]

Turrets and wallhack gadgets are the only things I really fear in a modern / future setting

[tawny carbon]

Molotovs

[mental delta]

Just replace it with squad call-ins

[sullen violet]

[sullen violet]

Please no

[tawny carbon]

I want the BF4 perk system back

Passive thingy for tiers

[sullen violet]

Wasn't too bad, but the amount of explosives in the one perk though

[mental delta]

I don't think they want to turn BF in some COD knockoffs so I'd say we're pretty safe

[pine roost]

Bit late seeing as 2042 just did it

[tawny carbon]

It’s like 10-15%. Helps you out a lot but not game breaking

[sullen violet]

It would be stupid anyway cause people play battlefield for battlefield 🤷

[pine roost]

I don’t know what cod does that’s like that but I just dislike the idea in general

[sullen violet]

I mean, it worked fine in 4 sooo 🤷

[tawny carbon]

Cod does new things to add to Warzone

[mental delta]

Yeah I don't play BF to set up a turret and go to toilets while my crap is doing all the job for me

[tawny carbon]

People sit in buildings anyways no matter what shooter you play

[sullen violet]

In my experience its not as op that you make it seem though

[pine roost]

I even remember there being some slight discourse between the presenters on the podcast about turrets lol

[pine roost]

It’s the fact that it’s free info that’s annoying. Like how valorant has lots of abilities that provide spacial information pretty much for free, it’s not the killing potential per se but the general design of it doing work for you instead of being an extension of your skill set

[zealous loom]

“I will report on some more stuff on Battlefield later this week 👀 “ https://x.com/_tom_henderson_/status/1836132784236044754?s=46

[pine roost]

Don’t say the Henderson train has started up again

Guh

Can’t wait…

[zealous loom]

He has some good stuff sometimes

[pine roost]

Like 20% of the time

[remote kiln]

as ive said before he was correct about the stuff for 2042 and the stuff so far hes said about this game has been correct, dismissing him out of hand is stupid

he clearly has sources inside dice to a capacity

[mental delta]

I've been waiting for that for long

[royal swan]

Honestly I hope the next bf game isn't on last gen

Being held back will be a disaster

[tame crow]

Look guys it is Tom Henderson's alt on our server

[royal swan]

[remote kiln]

[tame crow]

"leaks"

[eager spire]

"leaks"

[dapper night]

The only that worries me is the execution, it better have a smooth launch like BF1

[dapper night]

And the amount of Launch contents

There's no excuse for them to release 22 Weapons at launch meanwhile some of community defended it

[tame crow]

Not interested in anything pre-launch. Done with talk, "leaks" and trailers. It is all bs.

[dapper night]

Having 30-35+ Weapons is bare minimum

[sullen violet]

We'll see, i think it will be much better this time around, i am confident

[tame crow]

based on what?

[sullen violet]

The ign article

Sure has given hope

[tame crow]

IGN LMAO

[dapper night]

I'll wait for the CTE Program that they announce for next year

[tame crow]

so talk basically lol

[sullen violet]

Seems they might bring that back from my understanding. Could be really great

[tame crow]

folks here getting sucked into the same old hype funnel

[sullen violet]

Maybe you should read the article 🤷

[tame crow]

idc about talk. i care about the finished product.

[dapper night]

Yes but I'm willing to hear since Vince Zampalla is currently leading the next BF if it's some other EA leaders it's all bs

[tame crow]

they have talked for years, "leaks" and hype men pump the games..... and 2042 and parts of BFV were dogwater

[dapper night]

All that in the end I will judge the game when I got my hands on it

[tame crow]

THIS

that should be everyones position with a working brain

[dapper night]

But rn I'm cautiously optimistic based on Vince's interview so far I like what I hear

No more Specialist Hero bs and Return to Classes

[sullen violet]

Guy seems to know his shit too say it like that

[dapper night]

64p being the main focus instead of 128

[tame crow]

the key thing is they need a great launch from the jump

[dapper night]

Modern setting that is heavily inspired by BF3 and 4

[tame crow]

optimize the bloody game

[dapper night]

And for me the most important thing was them announcing a Community Test Program for the next BF that will be release early next year

I hope they invited actual players that is a long time fan of BF instead of some streamers that isn't a huge fan of BF and doesn't know what BF should be

[royal swan]

So by the 64 p maps, no specialist, and maps more catered to the 64 p play style. It is already doing better than 2042.

But will it be better than the rest of the bf games

[dapper night]

Thats 1 good question and I hope it better be

[royal swan]

2042 is the lowest of the lows, you really don't need to try as much to be better

[dapper night]

Fair and it's funny that one of the Devs confirmed that there will be an actual scoreboard for the next BF

[royal swan]

Lmao

So officially better than 2042 without a doubt

We had to wait months for a proper scoreboard

[dapper night]

Still don't know what were they doing in 2042 also I kinda believe that they actually playtest the game everyday by EA since most of the Devs after 2042's launch, quickly abandoned it

Like they knew from the start the game would be a disaster

Which also made sense why there were minimal contents per seasons

[royal swan]

Yeah. I see 2042 as this weird experiment instead of a actually bf game

Like some prototype to guess which features work or not

While it failed as a game it didn't fail as a learning experience for dice

[strong snow]

2025

[zealous loom]

[strong snow]

No nitro

[zealous loom]

No fkck way it’s you

[strong snow]

Always, I’m a shadow lurking

[zealous loom]

[strong snow]

[fringe spire]

Wait why is 64p focus good

Are people finding issue with 128?

Is it because it leads to overly large maps or something ?

[eager spire]

yes

[marsh canyon]

Will it be good or no

[tame crow]

yea the map design was trash catering to 128

[trim nexus]

You know that would be pretty smart

I did photo bashing before

It’s fucking annoying trying to find images that fit

[eager spire]

it would be smart if you're not a multimillion dollar corporation that can hire concept artists.

but EA is

so it'd be annoying if they were to start doing that.

[trim nexus]

An artist still had to composite that

You don’t make the photos for photobashing either

[eager spire]

still, there are people that draw the concept art

[trim nexus]

This was drawn tho

Ai can’t generate things that look this rough and sketchy

It would have been obvious

[eager spire]

probably.

[trim nexus]

Also news on that location from the first pic

It’s Gibraltar

(Via Tom)

[dapper night]

Depends on how they excuted the game

[trim nexus]

Prediction

It will be a pretty good game

Like I get being a doomer but with the amount of early info we’re getting

Plus the play test

It doesn’t seem like it’s just another seasonal BF release

[eager spire]

it'll launch fucked up and maybe be fine later.

[trim nexus]

Plus I actually trust Zampella

At most it will be “average”

But by no means horrible

[eager spire]

the big question though

will it have working mouse input.

2042 didn't.

[dapper night]

It could be but then again they're launching some sort of CTE next year so Ig it will lessen it

[eager spire]

i mean 2042 had betas where the mouse input was broken. people told 'em. it still didn't get fixed.

people in previous BF games with CTE's reported feedback not actually being taken.

[trim nexus]

A beta that is a week before release vs early CTE are universes apart

Unless the CTE is also a month before release but they said early next year

[echo yew]

early access

[trim nexus]

Not what they said either

[echo yew]

2042 mouse input being broken forever is still insane to me

[trim nexus]

Oh

I misunderstood

[echo yew]

like how did you mess up aiming

[trim nexus]

Is it?

I haven’t noticed

[echo yew]

its better now

but it's inconsistent

[trim nexus]

Hmmm

So I have an excuse when i miss?

[echo yew]

sort of

anyway

battlefield dmz pls

battle royales mid

tarkov mid RIPPLE EFFECT ADD DMZ TO BATTLEFIELD AND MY LIFE IS YOURS

[eager spire]

Battlefield DMZ

You're not getting that.

[echo yew]

oh im aware

there will never be something like dmz again

[eager spire]

DMZ was underwhelming anyway.

[echo yew]

an extraction shooter that's actually fun? nuh uh! have 10000000 milsim realism "games" that have a lifespan of 10-15 days

[eager spire]

It was never going to be a Tarkov killer, CoD does not have the mechanical depth to make that kind of gameplay interesting.

[echo yew]

the concept of a game being the "something" killer is a goofy and unserious concept

building your game out of spite and having it's whole deal be that its supossed to replace another is just not the correct way to look at things

its why stuff like XDefiant is dead as hell

[echo yew]

I really don't agree with this

[eager spire]

I mean, by all means, make your case for why you think CoD has enough depth to it's gameplay to make an extraction shooter interesting.

[zealous loom]

CoD

[zealous loom]

Any kind of gameplay*

[eager spire]

i'm keeping it to the topic at hand.

[zealous loom]

[echo yew]

DMZ was unfinished, i would not say it was underwhelming though, it had a better base than any other extraction shooter, did it lack depth? yes, more mechanics like a proper stash, market, gear, etc, Infinity Ward could and likely wanted to do that, but twitch streamers threw a tantrum that went "dmz doesn't allow me to slide cancel in warzone!" and the mode was killed off, cause no one gave it a chance-.

Looking at things such as movement, TTK and gunplay i dont think i've seen any extraction shooter than comes remotely close to how smooth dmz felt, there were multiple viable playstyles other than walk around and get one shotted, the map design was well done and the various maps made for varied gameplay types, the missions were fun even if they were rather shallow, prox chat is a nice feature.

Despite MW2's gunsmith being a bit too overcomplicated for a cod game, it still managed to be better than other extraction shooters out there, tarkov literally needs you to study it like an exam in order to even be able to use a gun with it's ridiculous ammount of ammo types

sorry long text

[zealous loom]

Do you guys like the M5 or SFAR more?

[echo yew]

after unlocking tier 1 i never wanna see it (m5) again

[echo yew]

But yeah, the extraction mode is not happening, it's a Battle royale so i just cope and seethe in my room

[zealous loom]

DMZ was bad because CoD doesn’t know how to deliver true quality. The idea is great but poorly executed and I have no faith in Activition anymore, would love to see it in another game with some love poured into it

[echo yew]

not happening

you get milsim #752875825

[zealous loom]

I was mostly excited about DMZ, then it came out

[echo yew]

i really enjoyed dmz

[trim nexus]

How about dice delivers on an actual Dino mode

Helldivers 2 style

[echo yew]

I want to enjoy Delta Force Hazard Ops but... it's rough lol

i get it was an alpha but it needs quite a lot of work if it wants to last

the extraction mode that is

[echo yew]

The Isle.

you want the isle, dinosaur games are cursed and no good ones exist rn

the isle is the best one and its a 6/10 at best

[zealous loom]

Only thing close to an Extraction shooter I’ve enjoyed is Hunt Showdown

I’ve not played Tarkov yet

[trim nexus]

I just want to shoot a heat shell into a Trex

[eager spire]

they released it unfinished and then were surprised when nobody liked it. They don't care.

CoD is not a good basis for an extraction shooter, regardless.

[echo yew]

i dont think nobody liked it

[eager spire]

Especially when it's just the same maps that are in Warzone.

[eager spire]

not enough people liked it to justify it's existence.

They weren't giving themselves a good chance by releasing it unfinished.

[echo yew]

Don't think that means a more casual or... yknow fun extraction shooter shouldn't exist which is why i want to see Battlefield try, specially if they're doing a "new mode".

Like i know it wont happen for several reasons and its honestly best if they get the actual Battlefield game right lol

cod half asses everything cause its broken from the foundation now

like fuck, MW3's entire marketing was "hey! you can slide cancel"

[eager spire]

I think you accomplish that by just not having PVP.

co-op PvE is generally fun.

[echo yew]

I don't agree with removing PvP, you just have to make it actually fun and having actual combat instead of bad combinations of: slow movement with fast ttk and high recoil weapons with low visibility, and i think dmz at least did that part right

[echo yew]

fr though, a spec ops mode would be dope as hell.

[eager spire]

I think survival and generally slower gameplay are a key aspect of making an extraction shooter interesting, but I think those aspects don't fit in with PVP that well.

[echo yew]

many extraction shooters (like DFHO) have you move at 3 meters per second but all guns kill in 3-4 shots and you also are slowed down when shot so you can't do anything, if you're not the one who shoots first you already lost, there's at least 9 other games like that and none of them seem to do well except tarkov as it built itself on that premise

[echo yew]

I agree with the slower gameplay part and i feel like a balance can exist

[eager spire]

Tarkov is generally built on interesting aesthetics and stockholm syndrome at this point.

[echo yew]

mhm

Oh and charging like 150 dollars for its ultimate deluxe collectors edition or whatever

on another entirely unrelated thing

this "connected battlefield universe" that has been mentioned... is it something like the CoD HQ thing? cause that didn't go well at all lol

[eager spire]

we have no idea what that means

[tame crow]

whoever preorders deserves to be shamed and shunned

[eager spire]

could be lore shit for all we know

[echo yew]

if it means like just narratively then yeah sure absolutely

but

if it means building one "base game" and having everything be built around it... yeah not really

[echo yew]

preordering is bad, water is wet

[tame crow]

i have already told me irl friends that if any of them preorder i am visiting them

[echo yew]

lmao

[tame crow]

i had to visit my one friend when he preorder cod mw3

[echo yew]

i regret buying that shit

i didn't preorder

but i bought it for season 1

worst mistake of my life

[tame crow]

imagine your friend turns up at 3 in the morning to shit talk you for preordering

[echo yew]

i went like 6.0 one match back in december 2023 and the matchmaking is still mad at me for that

[zealous loom]

Tried refunding on release day and they wouldn’t due to having 15 mins over the 2 hour Steam limit

[tame crow]

yea cod was oof

[tame crow]

damn you played 15 mins too long bruh

[echo yew]

i uninstalled a month ago but deadass i did not win one match from february to april

ass campaign too

[zealous loom]

Complete garbage

[echo yew]

dice give me the first good battlefield campaign and my life is yours

mfw 2042 had some dope lore and they didn't do anything w it

[trim nexus]

Nah

It was sanitized

Could you imagine if you played as some fallen nation euro refugee, trying to survive barely getting by and joining the no pats

Seeing the dark shit people would do in times of desperation

But instead they pivoted to some sort of hero vs villain stuff that almost had nothing in relation to the core world

And maybe the message could have been that before we save the world we have to save our selves and those around us

Like literally Irish’s vs Pacs mentality

Like it would have been super interesting to see how people who have never experienced any sort of war or conflict suddenly become at the center of one

[eager spire]

unfortunately this is a multiplayer shooter so nobody cares about lore. Wouldn't be taken that seriously anyway.

[trim nexus]

Man so what

COD is also a multiplayer shooter

[eager spire]

And the lore for that is also ass.

[trim nexus]

And yet people immensely care about the characters

[eager spire]

What's your point.

[trim nexus]

A guy in a baclava is literally one of the most recognizable characters in gaming

That’s my point

So yes people would care

If it was done well

[eager spire]

Because he was part of a cool story told like 10 years ago.

[trim nexus]

You can’t tell cool stories anymore?

[eager spire]

I just don't think DICE cares that much.

[trim nexus]

What is your point lol

[eager spire]

Like, this? Is cool. But i don't see this being done well by a big company like DICE.

The concept is too deep.

[trim nexus]

You just need a couple of good writers

It’s not impossible

Great stories are told in gaming all of the time

I’m sure they can contract someone for a decent script

[eager spire]

Like, this is the kinda thing i'd base a purely single player shooter around.

I would not waste this on a secondary mode in a primarily PVP shooter.

[trim nexus]

Like even call of duty is innovating on their campaign mode with BO6

So I’m sure Dice could do the same

[eager spire]

Because that's what the campaign is to most people. A secondary mode.

[trim nexus]

This type of comment confuses me

Ok, if that’s true then why bother going through the effort of making one just because. You could just do a 2042 and not make a SP again

And just because it’s secondary mode doesn’t mean you don’t have to put effort in it

Or shouldn’t

[eager spire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I donno. I just think that a story like what you gave earlier should be the focus of an entire game. Like, no multiplayer, it's all just based around that story and theme.

[trim nexus]

In the contrary it would have worked for a specialist lore mission

Like how BF1 had war stories

Some concept art even depicted Falk looking down at a puddle and seeing her past life in it

So I’m sure that thematic idea was spitballed

And better yet they have the chance to do it with the new game

A more modern conflict, closer to home

[eager spire]

On the contrary, focusing an entire game on the story puts a lot more weight on it. Also allows for better integration of the story and themes into the gameplay cause you're not also having to make gameplay for a multiplayer shooter.

[trim nexus]

A global war on the horizon

It’s perfect

[trim nexus]

You know what, I would buy a single player Dice game

It’s been a while since we had one of those

[eager spire]

I'd have to see how well that would actually work. Tbh i'd be skeptical of a large company making a story like that.

Like, if it were a smaller and more focused team not under the banner of a large publisher, i'd probably trust 'em better to do justice to the concept.

DICE? Eh.

I trust 'em about as much as I trust any CoD dev with stories. Which is to say I don't.

[trim nexus]

Tbf cod 2019 had a great campaign with a super unique mission (clean house)

So I’m not lost on all hope yet

At the end of the day people want to create good things

But things sometimes go wrong for many reasons

[eager spire]

CoD 2019 also had blatant historical revisionism in favor of the US and a generic "US/Britain good, russians bad" narrative so

[trim nexus]

Yeah ok tbh that was odd

[eager spire]

Yeah. :I

[trim nexus]

But still

Great execution overall

It felt refreshing

Playing as a little girl and ruining around with a gun that’s too big for you was just wow

[eager spire]

I disagree. I think the game would've been a lot better if it was more from Farah's perspective, as she's the most interesting playable character.

[dense stirrup]

Does a soflam mark on a vehicle allow for all types of shoulder-fired rockets to lock on?

[eager spire]

I don't give a fuck about CIA man or SAS bloke.

Like she has a grand total of 3 missions in the whole campaign.

You're spending most of the time playing as CIA man or SAS bloke.

[quaint glen]

Tbf , they made up for that by showing America can indeed be the bad guy in that very same game. The chemical weapons were from the US, also mw2 showed plenty more of americas bad side. It wasn’t a strictly us good Russia bad imo from how i saw it. You did some rlly bad things in mw19

[zealous loom]

MW19 campaign is goated

Easily one of the best of modern CoD

[lilac dust]

more concept art. Showing boring sandy town maps. Give us COOL looking maps please. Think outside the box. Give us an airport, a hotel, a london streets map. A volcano erupting over a town, a giant shopping centre map. A cinema map. A nightclub map.

[patent pivot]

And the best reboot atmosphere?

[lilac dust]

I don't want more haven, discarded, flashpoint dull AF maps

[zealous loom]

As far as single player goes MW19 is better than any CoD after it

[patent pivot]

Agree.

[zealous loom]

Atmosphere included

[patent pivot]

Even multiplayer?

[zealous loom]

I didn’t mind it but as with all CoDs since MW19 matchmaking ruined it for me

[patent pivot]

Oh well

I do wish private mode is better

[zealous loom]

At least that rigged matchmaking isn’t in BF

[eager spire]

It's about the most minimal "The US could maybe be the bad guy too" storytelling ever, especially considering the only times the chemical weapons are actually used are when the Russians use them, and when they're used by Hadir after they're stolen.

It was US Neutral at most.

And MW22 mostly isolated the US military because the main conflict was mostly the Shadow Company PMC, who are very much not connected to the US military.

Everything the protagonists do in MW19 is framed as for the better good, or morally neutral due to the belief that it's for the better good.

[zealous loom]

But is was fun

[eager spire]

sure.

[zealous loom]

[quaint glen]

Shadow company was very much connected to the US Military through General Shepard who as the name suggested a general in the us miltary.

Also, I don’t see an issue with Russia being painted as the bad guy in the games. Sure it’s cliche but it makes sense for the story line.

[eager spire]

Philip Graves was in charge of the PMC, not Shepherd. Shepherd was in charge of them in OG MW2, but not in MW22. Shepherd was a pencil pusher in MW22, likely handing off contracts to them.

[eager spire]

I don't have a problem with that on it's own.

But that combined with the historical revisionism annoys me.

[quaint glen]

Shepard pulled the strings, graves was the puppet.

[patent pivot]

Also, having grave somehow return, becoming allies again in III

It's a joke

[eager spire]

Saying that Graves is an ally is a bigger joke.

[quaint glen]

Wdym

[patent pivot]

They really fucked up mw3

[eager spire]

ugh i'll get the blurb i wrote about it earlier

hold on

[quaint glen]

We knew he wasn’t dead, but he def wasn’t an ally in mw3.

[eager spire]

#general message Here's a thing I wrote about that earlier

TL;DR: MW19 references two notable IRL events.

[patent pivot]

I refuse to believe he canonically lived

[eager spire]

The Highway of Death, and the Haditha Massacre.

[patent pivot]

Mw3 plot is a big fat joke

[eager spire]

The US was notably involved in both of these events.

In MW19, the purpetrators of both these events are stated to be the Russians for the sake of the plot.

That's my issue.

[lilac dust]

I found the only video on youtube showing the battlefield presentation of the invester day stream 😮

[zealous loom]

Link

[lilac dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6flNv28LZ_A

[zealous loom]

Goat thanks

[trim nexus]

It’s interesting that they did this at all

I’ve never seen a investors call presented like this

Almost reminds me of E3…