battlefield-2042

[zealous loom]

Oh I gotcha

[vocal tusk]

Rockstar have zero need to rush out an unfinished game. they still make more money of GTA V than most other games make in the same periods

[amber kelp]

also, GTA6 does not matter to PC gamers, im sure theyll delay the PC version again

[dapper night]

Yeah cuz GTA Online

[rose fiber]

I think GTA V has way more players atm than RDR2

[echo yew]

I don’t think it will go that low, even if its a banger expectations are so high that people will be underwhelmed regardless.

[stone cradle]

gta 5 still tops the sales charts to this day

[dapper night]

Not speaking about the player count but the popularity itself

[stone cradle]

people are still buying it lmao

[dapper night]

I still feel like GTA is their most popular which is obvious of course

[tender folio]

yes, $$$ is still going strong. They can just shill out and delay for years

[stone cradle]

have you seen any other singleplayer game have that level of success apart from minecraft

[echo yew]

neither cod or battlefield will be top 1 that year for sure

[amber kelp]

the trend seems to be that the really successful games are either new IPs or sequels to very old games.
The big contenders from large companies are increasingly distrusted and less quality

[royal swan]

Concept art looks cool I guess, but I'm not convinced that we are back

[tender folio]

same, lets wait to see their action.

[amber kelp]

The big hitters recently are seemingly random. Everyone sees a game that looks pretty good from a medium sized company, then all jump on it at once.
Helldivers, Wukong, Space Marine 2, etc.

[stone cradle]

finally someone else who understands it's just art too

Look at 2042 concept art lol

[amber kelp]

^

[rose fiber]

Them saying it's modern setting doesn't mean anything to me if skins are gonna be unrelated.

[amber kelp]

the main issue with cod games IMO.
Like why would i get hyped for the gulf war when I know Ill be fighting the guy from Dune or some stupid shit?

[rose fiber]

Yeah

[stone cradle]

We'll never get ultra-grounded milsim skins. They'll probably keep it tacti-cool at the minimum.

[royal swan]

2042 skins honestly get a point for staying more tactical than compared to other fps games

[stone cradle]

Don't see them going out-right nicki minaj or stuff like cod

[rose fiber]

The only modern military game that got skins right is Insurgency Sandstorm, at least that I can think of

[stone cradle]

yeah that's because it's a milsim

[royal swan]

But there were some crossing the line skins but none were cod levels of goofy

[amber kelp]

true but we also know they had plans for santa skins and only cut it back due to the immense backlash on 2042.

I cant see it as good faith

[stone cradle]

exactly and that's why I don't see them every really pulling that shit off with the next BF

but with a BR though, that's bound to attract more casual players who like that sort of stuff..

hard to tell right now

[mossy badge]

Great game but if only they make another insurgency using unreal engine 5

[echo yew]

Concept art doesnt really matter to me cuz it looks like AI

Which is a shame cuz 2042 has some amazing concept art

[vocal tusk]

point to me on that concept art where it looks like AI

[amber kelp]

BF has always had some concept art like that. Its meant to set a tone and get an idea for an aesthetic

[royal swan]

Is the AI in the room with us

[amber kelp]

Its me. I am the ai

I am fake nutter here to sell you insurance

[echo yew]

I said it looks like, im not claiming it is

[vocal tusk]

Like that art is clearly not AI made lmao

[stone cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/bones-malone-skeleton-spooky-rattle-em-gif-17402924308926162655

[royal swan]

How does hand made art look like AI art. It's either hand made Art or AI Art

[safe nova]

[amber kelp]

He probably thinks that cause its done in a brushy-unfocused way. Its not detailed.

[tender folio]

what if AI used robot hand to draw 🤯

[echo yew]

Exactly

Some things look weird

[royal swan]

We do have that

[echo yew]

some houses look blurry

Might be intentional tho

[next onyx]

Ye

[vocal tusk]

The classic hand drawn, brush stroke look that AI art is well known for sure! /s

😛

[echo yew]

Tbf some AI CAN replicate that i think

dont get pressed, its just a surface observation

might not be true

[vocal tusk]

This is why I hate people guessing about art, and making statements on it being AI drawn

[echo yew]

That’s not my problem my guy

[stone cradle]

If it was AI then why keep all those concept and design employees?,

[vocal tusk]

You literally said it

lmao

[stone cradle]

[amber kelp]

concept art is exactly what it sounds like; a concept. Its meant to visualize a style before tons of effort goes into creating the map. Its done because its easier to change one image than it is to facelift the game.
So, its not detailed. It doesnt need to be, its just to set a tone.

[vocal tusk]

"Im not responsible for the things I say"

Internet man, 2024

[echo yew]

Im responsible for things i say, its not my problem that you got upset over it, specially since i did not say anything offensive, i gave a surface level observation, hope this helps.

End convo.

[echo yew]

Understandable

valid

[vocal tusk]

Bro, I personally dont care, im just saying people shouldnt say shit like this with no basic for the statement lol

[echo yew]

hope they go all out with the weapons dude, would be dope as fuck to see all 3 NGSW candidates in the game

[amber kelp]

why all 3?

[echo yew]

Just coolness factor really

[vocal tusk]

I hope they go more of a gunsmith approach, than static set in stone weapons

[echo yew]

i agree

Gunsmith is really fun in most games i’ve played with it

[amber kelp]

honestly i disagree.
I think the gunsmith just created choice paralysis and weapon balancing issues.

[echo yew]

I guess mw2 was a bit bloated

[mossy badge]

There crysis style system isn’t bad but they need to add a lot of attachments

[tall jackal]

It makes no sense in a BF game

[amber kelp]

I feel like its more fun to customize with a few clear tradeoffs then it is to have 20 options that all do subtle things. Gunsmith is at least good for making meme builds but I dont see the value

[mossy badge]

What doesn’t make sense?

[tall jackal]

The T menu

[echo yew]

With some limitations it could work well, i think changing muzzle device and ammo type could be neat

[tall jackal]

Yeah like supressor or something but not changing around the whole weapon lol

[echo yew]

Swapping a smg from supersonic to subsonic and putting a supressor on and off

[mossy badge]

I think t menu is cool but I wish like we had lots of attachments that we could access by scrolling

[echo yew]

putting muzzle and barrel in the same category is a crime tbh

[tall jackal]

I mean its not tarkov lol

[vocal tusk]

Plus system should return, but only allow sight and under-barrel changing. IMO allowing a player to set and forget their weapon (Barrel and mag especially) is bad for a game in which you would want to have players constantly experimenting with weapon loadouts.

Magazines being hotswappeable is also kinda not great for balance, as a player never truely has to make a choice when building their weapon. Just put all ammo types and the 3 best barrels and a suppressor and youll never need to customize it again

[dapper night]

Tacti-cool still works for me cuz they still looks like they're coming from military honestly but it still depends on what type of Tacti-Cool

[tall jackal]

Your unpopular opinion. All things BF2042 tried to do different is pretty mediocre ngl

[royal swan]

No I think that's a pretty popular opinion

[echo yew]

Not too much of an unpopular opinion

[dapper night]

I will add to this but they also need to put an animation when swapping sights and mags

[echo yew]

some people will say “do nothing 2042 did”

[stone cradle]

I'd just be happy with a max of 1 extra attachment for each type only

[tall jackal]

Many people*

[royal swan]

Bf2042 tired to be innovative and either failed or did a mid job on every one

[stone cradle]

keeping 3 felt too much

[amber kelp]

bring back 2042 parachute controls.

[echo yew]

bring back the M4 bruh

[amber kelp]

the one thing I think is a solid improvement

[next onyx]

• system was good.

[tall jackal]

I can actually kinda agree on this

[vocal tusk]

Keep wingsuit, but make it usable by all soldiers, and be less forgiving when plowing into the ground

[echo yew]

Fuck it, asking the stupid question: Slide cancelling returning y/n

[amber kelp]

make it a pickup

[tall jackal]

Noooo wingsuit

[stone cradle]

bring back grappling hook but make it actually create a zipline everyone can use and can't be used indoors

[tall jackal]

Everyone flying around like a squirell, no thanks

[amber kelp]

something like a wingsuit or grapple should be map specific so it doesnt handicap the map design

[tardy tree]

literally just add bf4 and hardline gadgets

we had a grapple gun that made sense in hardline

[tall jackal]

BF Hardline was underrated af

[tardy tree]

damn straight

i loved that game

[vocal tusk]

Grapple would be fine it it places a climbeable rope, not a zipline

[dapper night]

Disagree "unless" you are required to parachute before touching the ground similar to FarCry's wingsuit instead of what they did to 2042

[stone cradle]

oh you mean the vertical zips

[echo yew]

Make it a pickup (2)

[stone cradle]

idk what they're called, like the ones from the new MW games

[tender folio]

please no more flying people 😭

[amber kelp]

thats what an actual grappling hook is like

[vocal tusk]

Wingsuit was fine at launch, but players who refused to slow down for landing got catered to, and they nerfed the death and/or damage you took from landing at 70 KPH

[stone cradle]

and no more shield that can literally block a tank shot with ease

[echo yew]

YES PLEASE, NO MORE RIOT SHIELD

Im tired man…

[stone cradle]

instead make it so anyone can use it and carry it on their back like COD

[echo yew]

its a balance issue in all games simply cause its just not a good thing to add to games

[dapper night]

You should die when you took from landing without parachuting tbh since it is still unbalanced sure you took damage but you can still get massive amounts of damage especially for vehicles

[vocal tusk]

Yeah, make them small arms fire capable only, and have HP...Like give the shield 1000HP, but once dead, its gone, cant be used and goes on recharge or something

[stone cradle]

yes exactly

[echo yew]

how fast should ttk be though, compared to 2042

[vocal tusk]

I like how the TTK in 2042 is TBH

[echo yew]

I think its okay, could be more consistent

[dapper night]

Give me BF1 TTK or BF3 TTK

[stone cradle]

and make it something you get instantly 'recharged' if support gives you an ammo pouch or something

[echo yew]

How many BTK is that

Bf2042 is 5 btk i think

mw19 is 3

[vocal tusk]

Id also 100% be fine with supression effect, IF it were a screen blur effect only, and didnt actually give you bullet deviation and/or worse visual recoil

[echo yew]

Mostly for snipers i’d say

and stationary players i guess?

[vocal tusk]

supression weapons like long range high calibre rifles or LMGs

[amber kelp]

Im fine with it fucking with spread if it requires consistent suppression to proc. No debuff for one missed shot, an MG needs to be ripping lead down range.

[dapper night]

Somewhere in the middle around 4-5 shots

[stone cradle]

Thank god they didn't suddenly have a knee-jerk reaction and radically change the ttk after they ended support like with BFV

[vocal tusk]

Stuff like this is a slippery slope tho, as you dont want players to constantly have blur on screen

[dapper night]

Don't remind me of it 💀

[amber kelp]

change intensity based on caliber and quanity

[dapper night]

Idk what where they thinking during the TTK change in BFV

[echo yew]

One shot snipers (body) y/n

[patent prism]

y

[amber kelp]

pick up kits

[patent prism]

Ah

Now it's a different question

[vocal tusk]

No at range, but yes inside 15m

[dapper night]

Be specific are you talking about the Sweet Spot Mehanic from BF1?

[patent prism]

^ Couldn't have put it better myself.

[amber kelp]

sweet spot only really works cause BF1 is set in the first world war and you need a way to make iron sniping viable.
I dont see a point in a modern bf game

[echo yew]

im not too familiar with that one

[amber kelp]

bf1 snipers have a specific range where they one shot

[stone cradle]

It's like they threw a grenade in our faces and shut the door and ran away lmao

[echo yew]

So like… in a 30 to 40 meter range they one shot? But under (or over) they dont? If so

Hell no.

[dapper night]

Agree if I remember it correctly Battlefield 3/4 has this well kinda

[vocal tusk]

One of the few bad things 2042 did in its revival stage was nerf the up close 1HK body shot on snipers. It relegated them, and players that were good with them to such a crappy place and usecase

[echo yew]

Hot take i liked the NTW 50

Bring the concept back

one shot AMR

[dapper night]

Man ther first TTK update was awful, like you're dumping a mag to kill them

[vocal tusk]

It was such an unnecessary thing to change. Like all those players just moved to the NTW, which was hyper frustrating to be killed by as it has a much longer 1HK body range

[patent prism]

I think weapons like 12.7's do have a place in Battlefield games but I am very concerned about having a method of 1HK at any range (when talking non-headshots).

[dapper night]

Yes on but on a certain range which is cancer but since it was set during WW1, I kinda see what they were trying

This is too early for them but I hope the Server Browser and CTE will be back for the next Battlefield

Especially the CTE

[vocal tusk]

I always think of sniper rifle kill potential up close in context to a shotgun.

They are like a shotgun, but you have to be incredibly more precise and accurate always, to be successful. That requires skill, and skillful play and game knowledge should not be punished

[dapper night]

The CTE shaped what Battlefield 4 is right now

[patent prism]

Maybe, and only maybe, might I be okay with on-spawn 12.7's in Battlefield if they have an impact on mobility.

[tall jackal]

Yeah but if you could just pull out your secondary fast it wouldn't really matter anyways no?

[vocal tusk]

Yes, but skillful use of the primary should also be allowed

[rose fiber]

Personally I don't mind 1 shot sniper rifles but I do see why people hate it

[vocal tusk]

Especially when after each shot you have to re-chamber a round. It just a fix they added for something that was never broken

[dapper night]

Coming from CS it depends how it is balanced honestly

[patent prism]

Secondary weapon systems generally deal significantly less damage so you still require the precision and skill with the primary to have the maximum chance of survival. If you miss, yes, you have a secondary, but you will need to land more shots on target with that weapon system.

[vocal tusk]

I dont like 1 shot at all ranges.

[patent prism]

Coincidentally, I am opposed to machine pistols and things like BF4's Shorty 12G.

[tall jackal]

Yeah but I mean if you shoot once with the sniper and hit then just pull out the secondary

[vocal tusk]

But it all depends on map design. Good map design that allows you to avoid a known sniper position can be a very fun dynamic

[stone cradle]

yeah they really need to bring that back

[patent prism]

Ah, I must have misunderstood, I apologize. I still think that within a certain range a sniper rifle should have the ability to 1HK to the torso.

[dapper night]

Since they're going back to 64P, I feel like know how to make maps that cater to it

[vocal tusk]

Bring back mortar strke ala BC2 😛

Im half joking, but man did I enjoy recon play in BC2 😄

[dapper night]

Yeah since BF4 had alot of changes during it's lifecycle especially the community feedback made the game good and achieve a sweetspot

[vocal tusk]

BF4 was mostly good at its core at launch IMO. It was just buggy

[vital quail]

All this talk about recons but they are the most useless out of the 4 classes smh

[tall jackal]

Yeah in the torso

[full burrow]

yeah lol who the fuck wants mass spotting of enemies, respawn beacons ect

totally useless

[vocal tusk]

Recons in BC2 with mortars and C4, as well as 1 shot body shot rifles. M95 FTW

[vital quail]

1 other squadmate as any other class is so much more useful than have 3 recons in a squad

[vocal tusk]

Of course, but recons have a place

[vital quail]

Yeah bottom of the leaderboard

[full burrow]

medic is the most useless class actually

[dapper night]

Hell the launch maps were better than 2042s, the only maps I didn't like was Langcam Dam and Siege of Shangai (specifically when the tower is destoryed)

[amber kelp]

launch maps were better than 2042s
Extremely low bar

[dapper night]

Disagree BF3/4 Medic were good

[amber kelp]

that bar is in the ground. You need to dig to reach that bar

[vocal tusk]

Siege is A tier with tower up, B tier with tower down...but S tier compared to 2042 maps IMO

[dapper night]

Not for reddit that is

[full burrow]

just dont die

[vocal tusk]

I never grew to like Lancang Dam at all.

[dapper night]

Lancang Dam flow is all over the place if you ask me plus I didn't like the Island Flag

[rose fiber]

You got pretty much fcked as infantry on the island by boats and helis

[arctic grove]

Siege was ok, except for tryhard heli mains and the collapsed tower objective

[patent prism]

Yes, torso, not extremities though.

[arctic grove]

I never really liked the satellite dish map out of 4s launch maps

[dapper night]

I'm okay dealing with the tryhard heli mains as long as they're aren't the Admins since I experience getting kicked by a admin for killing him while he's using a heli

[patent prism]

Possibly unpopular opinion; I hope suppressors (virtually guaranteed) and subsonic ammunition (less likely) make an appearance in the next BF.

[rose fiber]

I never saw use of subsonic ammunition in BF2042, suppressors yes but not the ammunition

[patent prism]

I use subsonic on a religious basis as I like being sneaky and making flanks.

[rose fiber]

I always went with high power or standard, only tested the subsonic and ap

[rose fiber]

Sound wise, it doesn't really make a difference in game if you use supressor as much as I remember

[vocal tusk]

Subsonic would have had its uses if they gave subsonic extended...but its just not worth using when you have standard mags with more bullets, that do the same damage per bullet

[mental delta]

OMG it's happening ???

[patent prism]

Nope, but certain combinations (namely heavy suppressor and subsonic) do not reveal your position on the minimap when firing, nor does subsonic have tracers.

Maybe I am psychologically disturbed, but I really like not showing up on the minimap when firing.

[rose fiber]

Isn't suppressor alone enough to prevent you from being spotted?

[dapper night]

Speaking of BF4 servers I still laugh at some servers for Banning Igla, Stingers and AA Tanks

[patent prism]

Yes-ish. Suppressor and non-subsonic hides you beyond a certain distance.

I can't recall the specific range off the top of my head as I have not touched BF2042 for some months.

[stone cradle]

Yes, finally, Battlefield Heroes 2

Vince truly based for directing DICE in that direction

[rose fiber]

If the spot range is different for using both then I understand

[vocal tusk]

I REALLY hope this next BF game has Land, Air and Sea! Naval combat and immersive (Pun intended) water combat is super fun.

[patent prism]

IIRC, the subsonic and heavy suppressor combo hides you entirely from the minimap. Subsonic and light suppressor beyond 25(?) meters.

[rose fiber]

I do hope that if there is naval combat, that besides attack boats like in BF4 we get larger ships that are still up to 4 players. Like we had in BF1 naval dlc

[vocal tusk]

Dont shoot me for this, but something I think COD got very right is how they handle water traversal in Warzone.

[patent prism]

I could venture a guess as to the ranges for light and heavy suppressors alone but they would just be guesses so kinda pointless.

[mental delta]

https://tenor.com/view/staring-meme-gif-705829194042584208

I hope fucking not bro

[stone cradle]

Why not

[dapper night]

•Plays Battlefield Heroes Song•

[stone cradle]

I waited so long for this bro

this is what will revive the franchise

[rose fiber]

Ah, for some reason I thought that shooting with suppressor never spotted you on minimap no matter the range

[patent prism]

I think that used to be the case for pre-2042 titles.

Again, I have not touched BF for some months and my memory is not the best, so don't take my words as hard fact.

[rose fiber]

As much as I hate CoD, I do think it has one of the best movement systems in FPS games

[vocal tusk]

Not BO6 tho...that onmi-movement thing is cursed 😛

[patent prism]

I was tempted to buy CoD:MW (2019) but then I remembered I barely perform satisfactorily in Battlefield games so I would be hopeless in COD.

[vocal tusk]

You could just be better in COD, smaller maps allow more tight understanding of angles/lanes. I know a lot of players who are not amazing at BF, but are very good at COD.

[patent prism]

Mm, I prefer more open environments personally, but I can see your point.

[rose fiber]

To this day Idk why I bought MW2019 since I barely played MP besides Warzone that was free. And I still hate getting kicked out of singleplayer cuz of internet issues lmao

[arctic grove]

Your best bet if you decide to cave in and buy it is ground war and hardcore

The SBMM is slightly less completely awful there

[patent prism]

Thank you for the tip.

I probably will just cling on to my Arma 3 experience until the next BF drops.

[stone cradle]

I can't play mw3 anymore because I'm so used to it now lmao, I really like it personally

But that stuff doesn't belong in BF

[vocal tusk]

Im fine with it, but it just feels super wrong 😄

[mental delta]

So BF6 isn't 2025 though ?

[patent prism]

Could you enlighten me as to what the "omni-movement thing" entails?

[arctic grove]

I’ve been thinking of picking that and Squad up some day

[stone cradle]

2025 seems the most likely to me

[arctic grove]

You can run, slide and dive in any direction (iirc)

[vocal tusk]

Could be 2025, its left deliberately ambiguous

[patent prism]

9 668 hours and counting.

[patent prism]

Ah, sounds exceptionally disgusting.

[mental delta]

They said it entered full production this year (which kinda surprised me tbh) and that a test program would happen in 2025 which would suggest it could also release after 2025

[vocal tusk]

Yeah, you can sprint sideways or backwards. It feels super scuffed at first. Mechanically its easy to get used to, but it just looks wrong when you see other players 😄

[mental delta]

I hope it does they were supposed to release a BF in 2023 back when BF2042 released but you know... shit happened

[arctic grove]

Imagine that timeline where we’re already year 1 into a whole nother games life

Probably for the best it went this way cause the news is promising

[dapper night]

I know would get hated for this but I hope one of the launch maps have a Metro/Locker/Pearl Market style of maps

[patent prism]

Yeah that sounds very cursed and weird to my brain. I have attempted to sprint backwards irl and experienced the consequences so I can't imagine it'd go well with 25 kg of tactical kit.

[stone cradle]

What do you mean, it's perfect

https://www.rxddit.com/r/blackops6/comments/1f7wqc6/_/

[dapper night]

This will lessen the amount of players comaining about vehicles

[amber kelp]

i see no reason to hate that, its pretty standard for bfs to have one meatrginder

[dapper night]

Tbf 2042 didn't have it but again it's 2042

[patent prism]

No thank you.

[vocal tusk]

While it sucks for the devs that worked on and/or had to rework the game Im personally glad the specialist concept of 2042 didnt take off.

[vernal pasture]

It would be cool to see the new game on a new engine

[stone cradle]

I'm fine with them having meatgrinders spread out sparingly

[amber kelp]

they either were at launch or post launch

[next onyx]

Pearl market was fun.

[dapper night]

BFV had one iirc it was in the mountains (kinda since you can spawn planes) and I liked that

[vernal pasture]

Battlefield on UE5? That sounds mid come to think of it

[rose fiber]

I wouldn't say Pearl Market was meat grinder

Still a good map

[patent prism]

So long as Battlefield doesn't become a game revolving around meatgrinders, I can tolerate their existence.

[mental delta]

WHAT ?

[vernal pasture]

Frostbite ain’t it

[stone cradle]

You're right. It should be on unity

[patent prism]

Although, that Boreas facility map is a bit of a favorite of mine.

[mental delta]

They're using UE5 ???

[vernal pasture]

No

idk

[dapper night]

I mean as long as there will be Infantry-only maps at launch to have breaks in between is all I wanted

[stone cradle]

no if it was then the game would be horrific on launch

[mental delta]

That would be terrible lol

[dapper night]

UE5 is still unstable on the multiplayer sides iirc

[arctic grove]

Frostbite is probably the safest bet. It’s the most familiar engine for dice, and I don’t think people even really want ue5 for anything but destruction anyways

[stone cradle]

Even in that case, look at the E3 presentation dice had where they showed off the 'new' destruction system at the time

[dapper night]

One of the best infantry maps especially when fighting on the rooftops

[stone cradle]

Which we never got in 2042

[patent prism]

Mm, yeah, I can agree with that. My religion is infantry and my denomination reconnaissance, so I crave the medium-big size maps where I can exploit gaps to flank and disrupt enemies.

I say "disrupt" because my aim is tremendously bad and therefore kills are seldom achieved.

[rose fiber]

I would like to see map that's something between Locker from BF4 and Fjell from BF V, have both bunkers and outside of mountain but more open

[dapper night]

I prefer medium-large maps that have vehicles but sometimes I take breaks in between and grind infantry only maps like Pearl and Metro and Locker

[vernal pasture]

Frostbite upgrade at least? They gotta do something, it’s starting to feel dated

[arctic grove]

You think it’ll be around this time in the new upcoming game?

[stone cradle]

They confirmed that

[vernal pasture]

In detail? Or

[stone cradle]

back in 2022, like one of the earliest news we got for the next bf

[dapper night]

So Monte Grappa with inter-connected bunkers? Yeah I fw that

[stone cradle]

Not much. But they acknowledged that the engine was in need of upgrades

[patent prism]

I think there might be some good inspiration for that kind of thing in Sweden. There's a fair few Cold War-era mountain bunkers reminiscent of Bond villain lairs scattered around the country that they hopefully can visit and take inspiration from.

[patent prism]

Same here pretty much.

[rose fiber]

Kinda yeah

[dapper night]

You mean like in Switzerland? I think they can make a map based on that place

[stone cradle]

I mean they have little to no excuse to not have it this time

[vocal tusk]

I like maps around the size of Rotterdam in BFV, but maybe a bit larger.

[quiet shell]

I swear to god if Zampella does this

[stone cradle]

No more last gen holding them back

[rose fiber]

Switzerland is basically filled with bunkers in mountains

[dapper night]

Switzerland have tons of bunkers and some of them are interconnected iirc

[patent prism]

Yeah, Sweden and Switzerland are quite similar in regard to fortification density (at least in urban/near-urban areas).

[arctic grove]

True that here’s to hoping

[patent prism]

I know my old high school had a underground tunnel network designed to be a command post in case of war with a connection running to the local hospital and morgue.

Could make for a decent BF map tbh...

[dapper night]

The the real question is will it be US and RU again or there will be 3/4 factions this time, I hope we get ti have 4 factions

Same goes for the faction vehicles

[patent prism]

I'm hoping for something more akin to alliances than specific nationalities. E.g. NATO vs CSTO.

[rose fiber]

There are rumors it's NATO against PMCs but that's rumors

[stone cradle]

Yeah that's all we have going off

A Henderson article

[dapper night]

I didn't like that in 2042 some vehicles are shared between the faction like the Ram, Wildcat and the Railgun Tank

[patent prism]

Yeah the vehicles should be distinctively different between the factions.

[arctic grove]

I’d love actual faction distinction with character and vehicle models. It’s more immersive

[rose fiber]

I agree with that but I do think that they should share progression if they're the same type

[dapper night]

It should have been LAV and AA LAV while for the RU side is the Tungushka and the BMP

[stone cradle]

[dapper night]

I'm okay with shared progression but I'm specifically talking about faction vehicles alone

[patent prism]

Well, Battlefield has traditionally given USMC more representation than US Army so it seems more likely to me they will have the LAV-25 and LAV-AD than the M2A3 Bradley and M6A2 Linebacker.

[amber kelp]

I want maps with gimmicks that lean into specific mechanics instead of the formulaic monotony of V and 2042

[patent prism]

Not sure the LAV-AD or Linebacker are actually still in service, though.

[rose fiber]

Like in BF4? Where for example they had their own battle tank but worked the same and shared progression?

[arctic grove]

Marines got the drip

[vocal tusk]

Please make vehicle mechanics less casual in the next game. BFV had a really nice system for vehicle auto repairs, id totally be in favor of that coming back (Slower movement speed, and requirement to hold the repair for multiple seconds for it to repair. )

One button press to auto repair and get out of a disable state is so un-rewarding both for the player in a vehicle, and for players fighting that vehicle

[patent prism]

I'm not a big fan of the Crayon Corps personally. I prefer USASOC, or UKSF.

[dapper night]

Yeah pretty much since the next game will be in modern setting I wonder of they will use OMFV and the next-gen Abrams

[rose fiber]

I don't like self repair in vehicles in recent titles, it gives engineer less meaning

[dapper night]

Pretty much

[patent prism]

I hope so, I much prefer the modern current-day (+/- 5 years) setting and I can see the OMFV and Abrams NG being represented.

[dapper night]

I agree but I am make willing a exception make it that the self repair will only repair you vehicle up to 25-50%

[rose fiber]

To me there's just something about repairing friendly vehicle with repair torch while both of you are udner fire and vehicle is your only cover

[patent prism]

M10 Booker would be pretty darn neato as well. CSTO counterpart; the 2S25.

[vocal tusk]

Make vehicles only be able to self repair when youre inside them, when they are driven by an engineer with a repair tool equipped. (Like past games)

[dapper night]

Same goes for RU's BMP-Terminator and T-90

Which was in BF4 for the T-90 at least

T-14 Armata would be good as a replacement for the T-90 for the next Battlefield

[patent prism]

I'm not too familiar with the BMP-T personally but the T-90 would be decent.

[arctic grove]

T-90 is still a decent enough looking tank to me that I wouldn’t mind seeing it again

[patent prism]

No. The T-14 is a de facto tech demonstrator unlikely to see much combat service.

IIRC they aren't even planning to build more than 100 anymore.

[calm bison]

We already got the T-14 though

[dapper night]

It's similar to the Brandley that it's a IFV but also have armanents that can damage Tanks

[calm bison]

Honestly the T-14 isn’t worthy of being represented in Battlefield

The fact DICE included it is baffling

More so than the specialists

[dapper night]

Armata? Oh I forgot it was called the T-28 in 2042

[full burrow]

bf1 had amazing vehicle system, controlled thought out preset variations allows for good risk/reward/skill set ups

[vocal tusk]

Would be fun to have a map set in a setting like Zavod 311, but the some of the older, beat up tanks could be used/driven like civilian vehicles on maps set in cities 😄

[calm bison]

Hard disagree

The way tanks in BF1 made it very difficult if you wanted to go solo

You were stuck with the Artillery Truck or Light Tank

[full burrow]

so dont use a tank if youre solo, use artillery truck

[patent prism]

Fun; yes. Likely; no. Realistic; absolutely no.

[full burrow]

lol wtf

you see the logic

but disagree with it

[calm bison]

God help you if you chose to use the landship

[dapper night]

More maps like Dawnbreaker or Siege of Shangai for me

[calm bison]

There are no good setups for the landship that suit a solo playstyle

[full burrow]

yeah the big plane thing in 2042 sucks cos what if your solo

[patent prism]

Dawnbreaker was very underrated.

[calm bison]

“Uh but it’s designed to be used with a team” dawg my team doesn’t even stay in the tank and just uses me as a spawn point

So much for game design

[dapper night]

We can Gulf of Oman again

[patent prism]

Damn, the more I think about it, my old high school and surrounding area could make for a pretty sick Battlefield map.

[calm bison]

BFV does vehicles so much better

[patent prism]

Battlefield map editor pls

[dapper night]

Loved that map

[dapper night]

How about BF4 vehicles? It's great if you ask me

[calm bison]

BF4 vehicles felt wrong to drive

[dapper night]

Console?

[vocal tusk]

I always liked maps like Oman and Sharqi Peninsula

[full burrow]

On top having presets that can be well designed for varying group sizes, you can also have different skill requirements. EG artiliterry truck - long range, single target (Low skill, low risk) equivalent of say using NTW-50 as your sniper, could then have a truck that is used at a closer range with far more kill potential but requires better aim ect

[calm bison]

They felt like go karts, and not like powerful machines

I actually like the tanks in 2042 over the ones in 4

[dapper night]

Really? they felt strong compared and requires skill to some vehicles comapred to the recent ones especially the jets and heli

[calm bison]

I think my issue here is that the tanks in BF4 lacked “weight” to them. They lacked punch

[dapper night]

I still remember practicing Jets in BF4 Jet only servers to get the hang of the 313 turn rate mechanic

Dogfighting in BF3/4 was great

[calm bison]

Generally I prefer BFV and 2042’s gameplay as they have a bit more variety and general better control

[patent prism]

I just want a regular CV90 :(

[calm bison]

BF1’s felt boring to use

[dapper night]

Didn't like the vehicles in 2042 and V and how it's played especially the their Spawn system specifically for 2042

They removed the ability to gain an extra vehicle when capping on certain flags plus the vehicles aren't map depended

[full burrow]

biggest problem with 2042s spawn system is that using it caused fps lags at launch, so people intentially didnt use it and forgot about it

Still pathetically hilarious how they made an entire "drone" tab in vehicles just for the ranger with 0 customization

[dapper night]

Remember when we're thinking that theyre will be variants for the ranger?

I still remember thinking that there will be a support-type ranger that brings ammo and health packs for the players

[patent prism]

am going to sleep

night

[mental delta]

Oman is really good I like Firestorm as well

[vocal tusk]

I like the Pc Firestorm, yup

Could have maybe done with a bit more cover/structure in the desert to the west of the map, but was otherwise a really fun map

[dapper night]

I kinda miss having bases I hope some of the maps have bases

[vocal tusk]

Same, id love for home bases to return. Vehicles spawn there and not selected from the UI

[mental delta]

Me too it was cool to be able to find a vehicle in GQ even though you spawned on foot

[dapper night]

Like in BF3 yeah I agree

[mental delta]

Yeah it was fun and really well-made in terms of landscapes

As I said earlier though I'm a little bit concerned about when next game comes out or even starts to get teased

I would have thought it was in full development since 2023 or even late 2022

Idk how they can have made significant progress in such a short period of full development

[vocal tusk]

It was in dev in 2023, but only entered full production this year it seems.

[stone cradle]

Wasn't it in early dev in 2022 atleast too

I'm feeling like the core MP atleast was being worked on and changed from feedback from 2042's later seasons

[vocal tusk]

Probably was also in dev to an extent in 2022...but its hard to know how much, or what was worked on at that stage that would have made it to the final version.

[tawny carbon]

Mmm 🤔

[vocal tusk]

Lol, I said Croatia earlier on in chat also. It looks very alike

[tawny carbon]

O lol

[ebon pilot]

It's crazy how a just decade changes a game from "modern" to "future"

[tawny carbon]

Tbh it always been modern. BF3/4/2042

I think the year is closer to BF3/4 era

For next game

[mental delta]

Well it's gonna be a bit less anticipated than BF2042 so it's cool

[ebon pilot]

3/4 era is the past

we're already past it

[mental delta]

In 2022 I totally recall some official statement from Dice saying they were making the new game so idk

[ebon pilot]

So it'd have to literally be present day

[mental delta]

But nearer in the past than BF2042 is in the future

[tawny carbon]

2042 is modern setting

2142 is future setting

[patent pivot]

2042 is the wrong canon

2142 can be legit

[tawny carbon]

2042 is real. It’s available to be played

[safe nova]

[naive ember]

2042 is the realest bf ever

[stone cradle]

Oh yeah I remember

It was a blogpost from EA

[robust gorge]

for some reason i feel like it's Dubrovnik

which is in Croatia

nvm i think it's Sibenik

[stone cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/essp-galahad-slumber-party-advanced-warfare-cod-gif-25200193

[zealous loom]

[stone cradle]

I can't wait for Advanced warfare to be the present

[amber kelp]

WE ARE GOING TO THE BALKANS BABY

[glass condor]

Does anyone else think that because it’s 64p it’s gunna be on old gen aswell?

[tawny carbon]

No

[amber kelp]

🇭🇷

[tawny carbon]

I hope and pray that BF2025 is new gen only and exclusive

No last gen bs, last gen destroys games

[glass condor]

Yeah but then bo6 hasn’t done that when it easily could of and it don’t look bad

Neither does 2042 I’m on ps4 pro and it runs smooth

[amber kelp]

its so wierd that this generation of consoles seems to have just not happened.

[tawny carbon]

2042 looks really bad on last gen. I will be hella surprised if they pull off next BF on last gen

[next isle]

I'm still copiuming

[glass condor]

It would hurt the player count

But like a lil but

Bit

Not a lot to rlly care

[zealous loom]

Copiuming

[tawny carbon]

If it’s like 2042 last gen ye

2042 on PS4 looks like a ps2 game

Barely loads anything. If so it takes ages to load anything in.

[glass condor]

You been looking at the ps4 gameplay of a psp 😭

[next isle]

Vesuvius will erupt and cause a wildfire in Naples

[glass condor]

It has some texture issues not even noticeable at launch it looked like a pancake but it’s really not noticeable

[tawny carbon]

If they even add it on last gen. They only do it for some free bank.

Let’s be real

[glass condor]

It’s not hurting anyone but themselves if they don’t

[tawny carbon]

Mmm 🤔 not really. A poly looking 2042 game cuz of last gen. It have a lot of people on it. Dice still makes money from it

People want it on last gen. It’s what you’ll get. You asked for it

[glass condor]

Keeping in mind the only real difference on 2042 is players in a match

That 64 is limit on old

My mate said that new gen was hell

The lobby’s are rough app

[tawny carbon]

Yes but there is also performance issues that last gen have. Won’t be on the same playing field as new gen

Even if 64p on both and its cross play between last and new gen. Last gen have a disadvantage

[glass condor]

But then that’s anyone on oldgens problem that’s how it is on mostly any fps that’s not a new ip

[zealous loom]

Didn’t PlayStation say they were shutting down support for new games in like two years or something? Saw something like that. Or maybe it was their own games

[glass condor]

Possibly there own games or when the ps6 is being made

Not sure tho I haven’t seen anything

[zealous loom]

Can’t remember where I saw it, dang it. Probably a leak but I don’t think they’re going much longer

[tawny carbon]

Define shutting support for new games?

For last gen?

[zealous loom]

Yeah

[tawny carbon]

Good

[zealous loom]

So no new releases, if I can find it I’ll post it

[glass condor]

Would just kill of old gen

Bad move

New gen ain’t rlly new anymore

There both old

[tawny carbon]

Devs and companies need to push much as they can. Devs have more freedom if they aren’t restricted to work on last gen

[glass condor]

Some already have but there games ain’t lasted over 6 months

The finals xdifitent and more

[mental delta]

Yes I think it was before season 1

[mental delta]

Nah those are both futuristic settings

[glass condor]

Helldivers didn’t even last over 6

[mental delta]

[glass condor]

Wasn’t a mech supposed to be in 2042?

[mental delta]

Nah

[glass condor]

Thought there was cuz they pushed 2142 in cosmetics

Some of the icons of the factions was on a few and it looked like a half done icon like it was a starter

[next onyx]

Oh maybe then?

Tho

Mechs may not have fit into the flow of the game anyways.

[tawny carbon]

Mech won’t last as long in the battlefield if it was a thing

[glass condor]

That’s true

[glass condor]

The only thing what carries vehicles are the speed and passengers repairing

I can’t count the times it’s either one running off or out healing me cuz they got 2 24/7

[stone cradle]

Bring them back from 2142

[next onyx]

They were built around 2142.

Not for 2042.

I would have loved to see them though.

Shove a bunch of .50 machine guns into it with a rocket launcher.

[opal salmon]

IS IT REAL FELLAS???

[eager spire]

No

[uneven ibex]

Posted

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Heads up!

Tomorrow, 17th of September on #Battlefield2042 we will be entering a 15-20 minute period of downtime at 08:00 UTC across all platforms.

You can expect interruptions with play during this time.

Thank you for your patience!

𝕏 | 📷1 · Sep 17, 2024, 12:04 AM

[quiet shell]

Lead Ui designer at DICE confirmed scoreboard at launch

We're so back

[eager spire]

...this just makes me question why this was so difficult in 2042.

[quiet shell]

poor leadership, wrong priorities, covid work conditions, poor work from home infrastructure

[tawny carbon]

^

Leadership was ass tbh

Especially towards devs

[pine roost]

I’ve got hope with Vince at the helm though

[mental delta]

In Vince Zampella we trust

[tawny carbon]

Speaking of the interview for BF2025

[bold sandal]

What attachments should I use for SVK?

[zealous loom]

BF4 goated

ZoZo usernames only have W takes

[tawny carbon]

Yuh

[arctic grove]

Guys? Should I get battlefield 1?

Yes

[eager spire]

No x3

[arctic grove]

Yyyeeesss

[kindred flint]

jesus...shouldnt have stayed in a close quarters conquest server after the match ended

next match was so many AI had to leave after 5 mins

[amber kelp]

YES

join the cult

we have boats and horses

[arctic grove]

I’m a psn player tho. Is that bad?

[eager spire]

It's dead on Playstation apparently.

[arctic grove]

I see 😔

[wide shore]

Not dead on Xbox. Playing it rn

[arctic grove]

As a PlayStation player it’s not dead here either

But it does have its barebones moments

[tame crow]

get a pc folks

[arctic grove]

That is the plan

Though I’d like to assume that steam/most pc games controller support is decent cause I can’t see myself always wanting to use mkb anyways

[zealous loom]

It is, except for games like CS2 or Val of course. But usually pretty solid on PC

[arctic grove]

That’s good

[fiery solar]

I hope this next battlefield isn’t too dark and gritty to make all players feel it is a welcome safe space for all people alike

[tame crow]

[chilly jacinth]

Nice bait

[tame crow]

you think that is nice bait

[worthy inlet]

[fiery solar]

i hope they dont feel the need to include that "we accept you for who you are" when you first open 2042 into any new title.

completely irrelevant. if you are a good teammate i accept you

[idle saddle]

Bro ign is shit , its the last person/company ever you should discuss with

It gave concord 9 instead of -100/10

As a wise man once said about helldivers 2:
"Lacking diversity and equality. Just as expected. 10/10 GOTY"
Ya guys should really realise people hate DEI and other games sobotaging organisations.

Fuck IGN.

Isnt also the IGN testers from that cool video about their tester VS a F*CKING PIGEON and the pigeon beaten that level faster?

💀💀💀💀

[chilly jacinth]

What are you yapping about

[idle saddle]

Their partnered with IGN

This game is fked.

[chilly jacinth]

They did an interview with IGN

Where's the problem

[idle saddle]

With IGN

Ign is literally a troll company atp

Made by people with underdeveloped brain that cant even pass pacman floor 1

[chilly jacinth]

Instead of yapping about nonsense just read the interview

It's actually competent

[idle saddle]

Ign gave doom eternal worse score than to fortnite

Lmfao

Ign is literally a meme atp

[vital quail]

Fr yap ceo

[karmic egret]

The ign interview got me like

[lone void]

I don't dislike anything the big man said in the interview, which is both great and potentially worrying

The key takeaways I got was that they acknowledged 2042 was a misstep and that BF3 and 4 are everyone's favourites

[karmic egret]

So zampella was just like. fuck BF1

[tame crow]

remember that gaming journalist who couldnt beat the cuphead tutorial..... was he an ign guy?

[lilac dust]

When I look at Battlefield 7's concept art all I can think of is that one BFV map lol

[midnight moon]

my settings keep getting reset in battlefield

[lilac dust]

I agree IGN is dogshit, but it's the only interview Vince Zampella has gave regarding new info on the next battlefield so like it or lump it 🤣

[next isle]

How does that matter? These are Vince's words, not IGN's interpretation

[idle saddle]

Ign bouta ruin something trust

"The moment you let the devil speak, its already too late:
~ Joe Trump

[next isle]

IGN doesn't even touch the game, chill

[idle saddle]

Cant be sure

[next isle]

Yes we can

[idle saddle]

They may want to force some stupid ideas into the game sich as overweight characters ect

The LAST thing this game would ever need is DEI

[next isle]

Must be exhausting being you

[idle saddle]

Says demoted admin

[next isle]

It's a positive

[idle saddle]

Funny how helldivers succeded

And bf2042 didnt

[lilac dust]

This a satire account. I refuse to believe otherwise

[idle saddle]

It is but the dei is shit as well

Bf4 was better than bf2042 imo

[next isle]

Some people are just like this

[idle saddle]

Yall signed a pact with a devil

[patent prism]

Huh, I thought I had blocked ampro already. Apparently not.

[chilly jacinth]

I have a feeling that dude used to be banned

[patent prism]

There we go, at least his idiocy is no longer immediately visible.

[patent prism]

Probably should be.

[vital quail]

God please fix the broken squad system

I can't take recons being squad leader anymore

[lilac dust]

What does Legacy admin team mean?

Are you no longer an admin technically or?

[formal hound]

Anyone here from australia able to get better mstchmaking??

[dreamy cove]

Ima li ovdje balkanaca koji igraju bf5 ili bf2042

[lone void]

I just realised who that guy is, he's a long standing local idiot so you'll never actually "win" an argument with him.

[patent prism]

Oh

D0k

Looking forward to the next D0kfield?

[pearl ridge]

Are the bloody servers dead again

[steep dirge]

You can't join portal servers to?

[pearl ridge]

I feel like the XCE has a severe accuracy problem

Even with the tactical compensator the damn thing never actually goes where I’m pointing, even at short range

[pearl ridge]

Okay so I said that and then I started headshotting from across the map with a 2x scope

Like. A lot.

Got a career best in headshots even

[eager spire]

maybe you were the one having the accuracy problem

[pine roost]

Been wondering how the community involvement thing is going to work

Cause public tests that people can sign up for will not work, if it’s just an in house private test that’s no different to a regular playtest, so how’s it going to be different

[tawny carbon]

They are gonna do a BF4 cte again for the new game

BF1 had cte as well

[pine roost]

But this is before launch, if they do a cte then ndas will be broken left right and center

[tawny carbon]

Not really. They will do that when they are done with the game

Just polishing up for release

[pine roost]

Playtesting is the kind of thing you do way before polishing

[eager spire]

BF1 had a CTE but by all accounts it didn't seem to matter

[pine roost]

I mean, I’d love it if they did have some kind of sign up playtest, but we just know that ndas will no be honoured if that’s the case

So I’m just trying to piece together how they’d do it

[next onyx]

Can't trust the playerbase anymore.

[eager spire]

I mean, the playerbase can give feedback all they want.

Doesn't mean DICE are gonna listen to it.

[next onyx]

I know thanks to the bf1 playtest they actually adjusted a few things for the main (dlc) release, like getting rid of shit like pigeon cameras and perks that would have made players mobile ammo and health stations.

And not the press x to get ammo but the one where the player would have become a passive med / ammo box.

[eager spire]

I very seriously doubt nobody playing BF1 during CTE didn't say anything about the fact that they removed visual recoil in BF4, yet chose to not do so in BF1.

[next onyx]

I called it a playtest. You know what I mean.

[pine roost]

Honestly I’m really dreading the next game lol

Mostly just because 2042 does some stuff I do quite like, and I fear they’ll do a bf1 and go for spectacle and theme over fun gameplay again to get back in people’s good books

Its selfish I know, but I just have that feeling

[next onyx]

Eh your concerns are fine.

I'm really apathetic to it all so

As long as the game is fun that's what matters.

[pine roost]

Yeah, I’ve always got other mechanically challenging games to enjoy if it ends up that way, but I just really want to enjoy this next game :(

2042 killed fps gaming for a good half year for me, I want the next one to revitalise it for me and get me invested once again

[next onyx]

It's why I've become a modded terraria nerd personally.

I still have to finish infernum.

[pine roost]

And why I’ve put a bit too much time into Tsushima, Skyrim and satisfactory

[next onyx]

But ironically it's less frustrating than mp because I'm becoming good at terraria.

Hahaha

I can't comment about you playing a crack cocaine game.

[pine roost]

I think I managed to play the latter for about 8 hours yesterday, first time ever for me

[next onyx]

Sounds like you had fun.

Hey if you want a simulator esque game I'd have to recommend mechwarrior 5 clans which is coming out at the start of next month.

The CEO is personally making sure the development goes by smoothly.

[pine roost]

Clans makes it sound like a multiplayer thing

[next onyx]

Haha it does.

[pine roost]

Don’t scold me for this but I’ve never seen mech warrior

[next onyx]

It's fine the games have always been niche.

Basically you get in your own mech and blast other mechs.

The ttk is extremely long because you have to focus on destroying parts of the mech to bring it down.

[pine roost]

Didn’t expect a short ttk anyways

[next onyx]

It's got a good game play loop because there's load of experimentation to do and there's so much personality with everything.

[pine roost]

Looks like it has the part complexity of armoured core

[next onyx]

Yeah!

Blast a leg off you'll cripple the mech.

Blow off their arm and every weapon with the arm goes with it.

Blow their torso, destroy their fusion reactor and it's an instant kill.

[pine roost]

Although i will admit ive got sifu, filcher, doom eternal, dishonored 2 and like 4 other games i want to play too, so I’ll add it to the wish list but might not get it for a while

[next onyx]

That's fine!

[pine roost]

And Skyrim I need to finish before the next update corrupts my save lol

[next onyx]

It certainly provides a new way to play and I watched my mum play it all the time growing up.

Huh an update?

[pine roost]

Yeah last time they pushed an update out of nowhere that broke everyone’s mod lists, so I’m essentially speed running it in fear of that happening again haha

[next onyx]

Yeah that makes sense.

[pine roost]

Got so many older games to play too. The curse of the backlog strikes again

[next onyx]

I've just been reading.

Too tired to care anymore

I want to get into modding but I've been pondering it for a long time.

[pine roost]

Making mods I assume right?

[next onyx]

I mean that yeah

Imagine being able to fire a giant howitser on terraria and rain fire on the ground.

Or a warhorn that spreads electricity everywhere.

[pine roost]

I say go for it. I started Minecraft modding a while back and it was immensely useful in learning how to work within an established code base, the communities tend to be super nice too

[next onyx]

That's nice to know

Alex told me I should be simple starting out with modding.

[pine roost]

Definitely

[next onyx]

Modify an ice sword to spit out multiple projectiles or something

Which I will admit I should have thought of.

[pine roost]

Don’t know how it works in terraria but for Minecraft it takes an age to figure out how to do anything simple

[next onyx]

Ye

Minecraft would be nuts.

[pine roost]

Been working on a drg mod, managed to make the zipline, grapple hook, flare gun, platform gun and molly but then had to stop because uni :(

[next onyx]

Aww

Reckon you'll go back to it soon?

[autumn tartan]

Do the portal game modes switch over in 1.5 hours? Sorry, haven't been playing BF for long

[pine roost]

Maybe later, currently focussing on unity projects since that’s where I’m planning to spend most of my time in the future, but if I ever want a different challenge I will

[remote kiln]

https://fxtwitter.com/kemalakay/status/1835786389419380774

[shell ermine]

My Totally Reasonable Wishlist for Battlefield 6:

1. 64p only ✅️
2. Classes and no Specialists ✅️
3. Any setting other than modern day ❌️
4. Server browser and server renting ❔️
5. Limited movement (ie no jump strafing, limited bunnyhopping, limited sliding, etc) ❔️
6. Fortifications ❔️
7. No Metro style maps unless one is a specific remake of Metro ❔️
8. A majority focus on mixed layout maps (vehicle and infantry in balance), think Provence, Arras, Wake Island, Solomon Islands. ❔️
9. Class locked weapons, very limited all class weapons ❔️
10. No attachment spam, back to the Specialization system from BFV ❔️
11. Limited self healing with health and ammo stations on the map❔️
12. Vehicle attrition with repair and re-arm bays on the map ❔️
13. Console-PC crossplay opt-in only, PC never allowed on console servers, only console on PC. ❔️

[remote kiln]

all class weapons is a bad system sorry

one thing this game done well was allowing you to play what you want, only thing that should get locked is drms/bolt actions to recon

[shell ermine]

Letting all classes use all weapons betrays the entire point of a class system to begin with

[remote kiln]

it doesnt

classes are for roles you play, not what guns you use

locking weapons is just a hinderance and bad design for the player in the name of "balance"

[shell ermine]

The guns are a key part of the role. It's part of the reason why BFV had probably the best class based gameplay of any BF since BC2, it didn't have any all class weapons

[remote kiln]

yeah the guns for battlefield 5 are also by design a lot more limited

they dont have say a assault rifle which can also like act as a sniper rifle in 2042

different times, different designs, locking weapons in a modern setting is just bad design

[shell ermine]

I'd compromise on having a small selection of specific all class weapons (like maybe purely middle of the road carbines like BF3 iirc) but I don't want a Recon to be able to run around with an LMG or a Medic with a sniper rifle for example

[remote kiln]

well yeah there are ones that make sense like the lmg/sniper being locked, but they are a small contingent of class category weapons, the vast majority should be unlocked

[mental delta]

A lot of BF devs popped up on Twitter like some fucking Avengers team it's fun lol

[frank rain]

Lis again

Specialist again

Lis again

[fervent rose]

I agree but modern means that every kit should have some form of an assault rifle. I think that means they should have flavor differences instead of complete freedom like 2042. like a vss / asval probably should be recon only. Some guns could be universal if that's truly necessary, but some should be locked.

[frank rain]

Fuck air vehicles

[next onyx]

Like delta force in a way?

[fervent rose]

If they just had a TON of guns in the game, nobody would complain about them being sensibly locked to classes.

[next onyx]

How only necessary weapons are used in such kits.

[fervent rose]

I think DF might even go too far with it.

Like how the m7 spear wasnt usable on Assault, only engineer.

[next onyx]

It feels like the classes have a particular idea with the weapons they have.

[fervent rose]

Well, sort of. Scar-H on medic was questionable.

[frank rain]

No we need specialist again

[next onyx]

Yeah no the medic bias is big.

They have everything.

[frank rain]

I want lis back in the game again

[next onyx]

The hardline esque m416 for medic is ridiculous.

[fervent rose]

the k416?

[next onyx]

Yeah

[frank rain]

Specialist Specialist Specialist lis back in action

[fervent rose]

smg45 might have been my favorite but I didn't give havoc enough time to test all the guns, I got sucked into the extraction mode

[next onyx]

Bt was good fun.

[fervent rose]

smg45 with max recoil control was insanely fun

[next onyx]

I turned my m416 into the m27 IAR.

Shit was broken man.

No spread is cringe though

[fervent rose]

I think they just need harsher recoil patterns if they are insisting on no spread

like if you mag dump the tail end of your sprays do go wild

[next onyx]

Yeah

It's literally the 2042 conundrum.

[fervent rose]

I think recoil feels better than spread as a way to tell the player to reset their gun

[next onyx]

They need to incorporate sound design into spread.

And make it not so aggressive.

Keep bullshit suppression away from affecting weapon accuracy and it's automatically a decent system anyways.

[fervent rose]

the 2042 spread change was not a "great" one imo

like i get why they did it

[next onyx]

It wasn't terrible but eh

[fervent rose]

not a perfect execution

[next onyx]

Prevented brain dead mag dumps at least.

[pearl ridge]

They better not have little birds in the next game I swear to fucking god

[fervent rose]

but they didnt need to add spread to prevent mag dumps

thats the confusing thing for me

[fervent rose]

call me crazy but they should just be able to be killed

let me be able to predict where the helicopter is going so that I can shoot a rocket instead of allowing it to behave as if its a 1lb drone

[next onyx]

I dunno what to think about it because as annoying as spread can be it's not the worst thing.

Maybe it could be less aggressive sure.

[fervent rose]

for whatever reason being on target but missing feels a lot worse to me than having my aim thrown around a bit

it doesnt feel modern

[next onyx]

Yeah I understand.

[fervent rose]

DF just nails the "this feels good" part

is it perfect? hell no

like head glitching is nutty

i wonder if thats gonna be addressed at all

[chilly lichen]

what guns are meta rn?

[fervent rose]

is the bsvm still the best gun or did they finally nerf it?

thats the forever meta gun if it was not nerfed

[uneven ibex]

Posted

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[pearl ridge]

The problem with the little bird is that it’s simply too frigging small

We’re in an era where combat aircraft are the size of houses and that fucking thing is barely larger than its pilot

[tawny carbon]

All out superiority I can use my lil bird

[pearl ridge]

And yet it has the firepower of an outright gunship

[tawny carbon]

Mmm not really

[fervent rose]

yeah they definitely love giving it too much

you would think teamplay helicopters would be balanced to be stronger. must be some little bird mains on the vehicle crew

[pearl ridge]

Meanwhile, AA options either rely on locks (easily avoided by flares or terrain) or direct-hit weapons

Because apparently everyone forgot how to make flak

And it’s really hard to directly hit something that small

[tawny carbon]

Teamplay makes lil bird stronger. Lil bird on its own is actually dog shit. Even if your running solo

[shell ermine]

I'm a bit disappointed we are getting two modern setting games in a row tbh

[pearl ridge]

We could’ve just. Gone for 2143.

People would be like “nooo I don’t want two future games in a row”

My brother in Christ

2042 has like one genuinely fictional bit of tech in gameplay

[shell ermine]

Alt-history Cold War Gone Hot in the 70s

[pearl ridge]

And that’s EMP grenades

This game is literally just modern warfare but somehow more boring

[shell ermine]

Post-Nuclear World War III

Think Aftermath from BF3 turned up to 11

[naive ember]

BF 4042

[mental delta]

Not to me but I'd like game to either get back to guns restricted to classes or guns playable with all classes

Gun proficiencies is mid af to me

Let us either play all guns no matter the class, or restrict gun categories to some classes

[fervent rose]

i dont consider sitting on the little bird repairing to be high tier gameplay or teamplay

[mental delta]

You end up with a situation where the game actually incitates you to play LMG with Engineer while this class doesn't have ammo supplies

[pearl ridge]

Yeah, support is my LMG class for a reason

[naive ember]

Engineer is a smg class

[tawny carbon]

That is team play. It’s also teamplay if your team helps control the sky and land

[pearl ridge]

If engie should have any weapon it’s DMRs

Because they work at the ranges it’s ideal to counter tanks at

[fervent rose]

theres really no reason why engineer should be range limited to smgs

[naive ember]

Why not? They have anti tank weapons with range

Can't have engineers be OP

[fervent rose]

engineers should not be gimped in infantry just because they have the best launchers

[mental delta]

Yeah like who the fuck even came up with the idea of tying LMG to Engineer instead of Support lol ?

[fervent rose]

i think bfv's balance was best

[mental delta]

That might be the first fucking time ever I agree with you on something

But yeah

Most definitely

Or Carbines class

[fervent rose]

bfv giving good semi autos and assault rifles to the "engineer" class didnt break battlefield gameplay at all

it worked really well

[tawny carbon]

BF4 did it better for class system

[pearl ridge]

Nah Assaults in BFV were a bit too much of a powerhouse

[fervent rose]

but medics were the strongest class

[pearl ridge]

They worked better in 1 because they had really limited range between the SMGs and shotguns

But the game also emphasised close quarters so they were still useful

[fervent rose]

and we cannot forget the disgusting powerhouse that was recon with a zh

bfv classes all felt powerful. all had good guns

[mental delta]

Engineer class in BFV is more like Support I think

[fervent rose]

they split it in two

[mental delta]

Assault having anti vehicles gadgets doesn't make it Engineer at all tbh

[fervent rose]

assault got the big launchers, support got small ones and repair

[mental delta]

Yeah I agree

[fervent rose]

assault is 100% the anti tank class

[mental delta]

But I could see Assault having anti vehicles gadgets without being considered half Engineer lol

[mental delta]

Yeah that's what I'm saying but it ain't half Engineer at all, Support is, not only it got repair tool but as a Support you could also build defenses quicker or things like this

[fervent rose]

what is an "engineer" in bf if not for anti tank

[mental delta]

Even though BFV classes weren't the worst at all those weren't the best either

I'd like them to make 5 or 6 classes but we'll go back to 4 classes which is good af

[fervent rose]

repairing is another part, but the main component of any engineer was its offensive anti tank powers

[mental delta]

To me Engineer is more about repairing vehicles and having impact on the battlefied as a place than just destroying vehicles

But it's just my interpretation

[fervent rose]

that only makes sense in the really old games like bf2

ever since bad company those two roles got combined

[pine roost]

Engies in 2042 had elements of simply using fancy gadgets to set up defences and protection, but that was in addition to AT. That kind of dynamic I like, but if we are doing away with specialists I would rather they just be AT

[mental delta]

Yes lol and I didn't even get to play those but what I mean is they should go back to more traditional classes even if it means creating new ones instead of regrouping some together

[fervent rose]

hey i wouldnt be opposed to a 5-6 class system either but i dont see it happening

been 4 for a long time

[dapper night]

Tbf Battlefield 4's Engineer still have the Carbines and DMRs so ig DICE should just copy BF4's Weapon Class locked and selection

[river zinc]

@fervent rose what abt 5 man squads again lol

[fervent rose]

64 isnt divisible by 5

so no pls

[river zinc]

Lol

[fervent rose]

being locked out of a squad because of simple math sucks

[dapper night]

The next BF should bring Locked Weapon per Class but with comprise like in BF4 such Carbines, Shotguns and DMRs being only the universal

[mental delta]

Lol me neither they're definitely going back to 4 classes which is really a good thing imo

[river zinc]

Every1 locks squads anyway when at like 3ppl so i don't see the issue

[fervent rose]

most people dont lock their squad

[river zinc]

*most

[fervent rose]

most people play mindlessly

[dapper night]

Also I prefer going back to the BF3/4 Class structure that is: Medic, Support, Engineer and Recon

[fervent rose]

in the event of random locked squads, i accept reality and play on. but the system should be smart enough to consider that 5 man squads doesnt fit 64 players

if they cannot figure out basic math we are done

[river zinc]

This is assuming squad management is even added on release 👀😂

[dapper night]

I kinda like Assault and Medic mixed into one while Engineer being the Anti-Vehicle and Repairs Vehicle at the same time

It work back perfectly back then and will still work perfectly rn

[river zinc]

Hows he got a sad fish emoji then

[fervent rose]

did it really work perfectly because i remember support being underplayed in bf3/bf4

people picked assault/engi/recon

[dapper night]

It did, the reason why it was underplayed due to LMG not being strong to compete with AR's

[pine roost]

One thing I do hope is that if they split up support and medic again, that support isn’t just mortars and claymores

That kind of stuff is just boring to use and play against

[river zinc]

Not mortars 😭

[pine roost]

But I’d be down for splitting them again if the playstyles are different enough

[dapper night]

If they balanced it around making sure that both LMG and AR are still strong and are able to compete while the Carbines will just be the slightly weaker version of the AR there wouldn't be any problem

Hell I remember using the ACE-21 carbine for the Engineer alot since it that gun was pretty gun

[fervent rose]

i think it was core mechanics, the heal was nearly invaluable in bf3/4 with how long it took to regen hp

everybody and their mother played assault

though it lead to a critical mass of medbags placed on the ground, maybe it was the right call

[pine roost]

And attrition made medics almost mandatory in V

[shell ermine]

BFV did so much right

[pine roost]

Since assault was the one with good guns in 4 aswell, they probably made that balance decision because so many people would play as them

[dapper night]

That what I like in BF3/4 where Medic players throw alot of medpacks around the floor due to the slow healing factor but at the same time teammates passing around may also be healed

[fervent rose]

its one of those cases where they were already spammed so i dont know why they made them more necessary to the core gameplay loop

[chilly jacinth]

To kneecap all the other classes

[fervent rose]

i do not believe attrition was ever the right call for bfv and its something that holds it back to this day

[dapper night]

If there's one thing that I was pissed that they brought back for 2042 was the ability to grab Ammo and Medic pack towards Medic and Support players

[chilly jacinth]

Truly one of the best mechanics ever added

[dapper night]

The next Battlefield game needs this mechanic

[shell ermine]

The way attrition launched as was bad, but the patched version is great

[chilly jacinth]

Still trash

[dapper night]

It really was bad during launch

[fervent rose]

it was god awful during the beta

[shell ermine]

I'm okay with not having it for infantry (except for healing) but I think it's needed for vehicles

[fervent rose]

having to run to health crate every life to have a spare heal

they were not thinking at all

forced teamplay isnt a good idea

[shell ermine]

You have to nudge it a bit

[fervent rose]

the vehicle attrition also did nothing positive

[shell ermine]

Give everyone two health packs max, need a medic to get more

[fervent rose]

it made flying air vehicles into a stupid loop around the repair site

and it made tanks hang back

[shell ermine]

What, it was a hugely positive thing

Vehicles were powerful but they could be forced off of the front line either by running out of ammo or by damage.

[dapper night]

I kinda dig what they were doing tbh but it just need alot of tweaking and balancing to satisfy both players

[shell ermine]

I hate how it works in 2042 with infinite healing and infinite ammo

[fervent rose]

you had zero incentive to push as a tanker, it increased your downtime

thats bad design

[river zinc]

Already did that, now it just meant they have to b in 1 spot to get ammo/health back rather than just wait for auto resupply

[shell ermine]

It prevented tanks from going in alone and steamrolling objectives. You needed infantry support.

That's how it should be

[chilly jacinth]

Even without attrition you need that

[fervent rose]

bfv tanks would have never been able to do that with infinite ammo

[shell ermine]

Teamplay needs to be forced a bit, especially with modern gamers

[fervent rose]

so how does that matter?

they werent bf3/bf4 tanks, those were insanely fast and powerful

the fast tanks in bfv could be melted

[shell ermine]

I loved the angle of attack system too

[fervent rose]

which they completely gutted

[shell ermine]

Glancing hits and all that

[fervent rose]

that system got annihilated

[shell ermine]

Not really

I still play BFV daily, it still matters

[fervent rose]

they never published the patch notes on how they redesigned that system

it was gutted

[dapper night]

Speaking about Vehicles, the OG Vehicle Spawn should be back

[shell ermine]

The only bad thing they did with the vehicle system in BFV was nerfing the fliegerfaust

[dapper night]

I hated how the current Spawn System works and the Vehicle Categorization

[river zinc]

Bro....

[shell ermine]

They overnerfed it

[river zinc]

No they didn't

[shell ermine]

It was too strong at first yeah, but they made it too weak after

[dapper night]

Like I'm still confused why the EBLC Ram is still in the Heavy Armored Category when it should have it's own like a IFV same as what they did to the Wildcat

[river zinc]

It still 1 taps fighters, 2 tap bomber (at full hp)

[shell ermine]

I really liked the vehicle specialization system too

[fervent rose]

nah the 5.2 patch sucked for vehicles

[shell ermine]

Frankly specializations overall was a great system

[fervent rose]

tank v tank fights were so much better prior to 5.2

[shell ermine]

They walked back almost everything they did in 5.2 with the next patch.

I'd take specializations over attachments again tbh

[pine roost]

I don’t really mind either way regarding gun customisation

I’ll usually find one thing and stick to it indefinitely anyway

[fervent rose]

no, they didnt. and i just looked it up to confirm. 6.0 was a tiny patch

[robust gorge]

Can we all agree that Garrison's speech in Battlefield 4 was PEAK

[fervent rose]

look here if you dont believe me on how extensive the 5.2 vehicle changes were: https://www.reddit.com/r/BattlefieldV/comments/e2whwb/tank_overhaul_complete_breakdown_update_52/

[robust gorge]

Hope we have more of those in Battlefield 2025

[shell ermine]

To me tank combat is great as it is now in BFV

[buoyant dock]

Any news on battlefield 2143v

[mental delta]

I hope next game isn't set too far from BF4 so we actually get to see the consequences of BF4 events on some countries

[pine roost]

One thing about attrition for vehicles is how it also made people just camp hillsides where resupplies are, which just as annoying

[buoyant dock]

All I want is 24/7 opération locker and metro

:.)

[shell ermine]

Better positioning of resupply boxes would fix that.

[buoyant dock]

I can’t believe they didn’t rerelease any of those maps

[chilly lichen]

what weapons are meta rn

[buoyant dock]

DGE strife

[shell ermine]

As long as we don't have the ridiculous attachment spam that we had in BF3 and 4 again

[robust gorge]

Apparently 2025-2030

[chilly lichen]

what guns is meta rn

[robust gorge]

if Tom Henderson is to be believed

[dapper night]

Honestly a game centered around the year 2030-35 wouldn't be bad

[buoyant dock]

Dfr strife

[shell ermine]

Modern is so boring

[robust gorge]

2025-2030 would be better no?

[mental delta]

Yes please get us a Metro 2025 with some flooded parts

[pine roost]

If the goal is to have them work alongside infantry, perhaps just implementing a lower threshold for how much passive regen heals you to then have you manually repair as you did in bf1. Best of both worlds

[mental delta]

I hope so lol I'm tired of semi-futuristic shit

[robust gorge]

me too

[mental delta]

Too close from BF2042

[buoyant dock]

Fr

Bf3/bf4 era

[dapper night]

I prefer 2030-35 since the affect world be drasticly changed

[buoyant dock]

Like some of the guns on 2042 look dumb trying to look futuristic

[shell ermine]

The only thing semi-futuristic in 2042 were the railguns

Otherwise it was bog standard modern

[pine roost]

And some of the specialist gadgets