battlefield-2042

[tame crow]

no we need a full vietnam game

[tawny carbon]

Meh 😒 I’d take it but BC2 did amazing with it as a dlc

Modern games is simply better and more fun

[sullen violet]

More suited as DLC rather than full game

[fresh lintel]

I mean i'm biased for 2142 stuff and against Cold War era stuff but having more content regardless would be good.

[sullen violet]

Cooler and more fun toys to use

[tame crow]

you cant do a full vietnam game? what is your reasoning for this?

[tawny carbon]

Yes, and more ideas for the devs to play at with

[sullen violet]

Of course you can. But i think the modern current time would be more liked be majority

[sullen violet]

[tame crow]

we have 2042 and it sucks

[fresh lintel]

2042 isn't really true modern

[tawny carbon]

Look at BF4 they had futuristic tech in it. 2042 is modern with futuristic tech in it.

[fresh lintel]

If we had a game more like 3 or 4 we'd probably see a comeback in the playerbase.

[tawny carbon]

Explain?

[sullen violet]

For the DLC, forgot which one. You had like the hover tanks

[fresh lintel]

2042 is Future Modern? Or Pseudo Future?

[tawny carbon]

The snow dlc

[tawny carbon]

It’s modern theme with futuristic tech, just like bf4

[fresh lintel]

It has alot of "Modern" guns but it also has shit like the World nearly coming to an end and weather weapons

And A.I Androids/Cyborgs.

Its almost like Black Ops 2, IMO.

[tawny carbon]

2142 is a futuristic title. 2042 is not

Black ops 2 is modern theme with future tech

[fresh lintel]

It is, i'm just saying 2042 is stuff we Could see just like Black Ops 2 whereas Battlefield 4's last stand was more like a last "Hoorah" than an actual canonical thing

But theyre both future stuff

[tawny carbon]

Look at today, that’s 2042

[fresh lintel]

We're getting there. Not gonna lie.

[sullen violet]

https://youtu.be/0o10jSodGFA?t=81

This tank is scary

[tawny carbon]

BF4 was today when it was that era, with actual futuristic tech like hover tanks

[fresh lintel]

Railgun tank is silly and I love it

[sullen violet]

Same tbh

The sounds it makes are pretty cool

[fresh lintel]

And yeah I guess thats fair. I just think people consider "Modern" to be what we saw in 3 and 4 (outside of Final Stand)

And not 2042

[tawny carbon]

Ngl, to me the tank is a downgrade from BF4 hover tank

BF4 hover tank is op asf

[fresh lintel]

I woulda loved a hover tank option

[sullen violet]

Personally i would be fine without it

Also cant you like lower this tank right?

Lowrider

[tawny carbon]

BF4 hover tank, I can hover on the water and still kill anything I want

[sullen violet]

[fresh lintel]

Plus also you cant hit my back if i'm looking at you 24/7 😤

[tawny carbon]

Where the small guards come out on the sides of the treads. 2042 you can change yes. But hinders your mobility

[fresh lintel]

The TOR in siege mode is genuinely the scariest thing you can face

[tawny carbon]

It’s scary but great when your using it from the dis

[fresh lintel]

You round a corner and its already just lobbed the Maul shell at you and is about to do it again before you can shoot and reload.

If you can drive past it, its gonna die but yeah. At a distance you're not gonna win.

[tawny carbon]

I just camp and use it. But I normally use the mobility mode thingy when I’m driving around freely

[sullen violet]

Ngl think this is taking abit far

Pancake

[fresh lintel]

Deadly pancake

[tawny carbon]

Ngl. I like it a lot. I use it to fly up to a building or ,use it to fly around and eject in air very handy

[fresh lintel]

I like the pondhawk because of the radar ability. So much XP lmao

[tawny carbon]

Fucking sucks when a wildcat is around

[fresh lintel]

Thankfully they dont focus pondhawks all that often

[placid echo]

Hehe TV Guided Missile go EEEEEEE

[tawny carbon]

Wildcat needs a nerf, I always said I hate when they keep buffing the fucking wildcat every since the stupidly insane buff they gave it

#FuckWildcat

[fresh lintel]

I mean they did take away the one cannon that lets it disregard its purpose.

Which is a blessing and a curse.

[tawny carbon]

The range buff is heartbreaking to see as a lil bird player

700m away and you get dominated from spawn

[sullen violet]

Fair enough

Damn Ea anticheat messing with shadow play, cant even record video

[tawny carbon]

Oof

[fresh lintel]

Nah even I feel bad for LB pilots at this point. However AH players? They get focused first.

It takes one AH pilot to ruin a team.

[tawny carbon]

I normally use the overlay from Nvidia, never had an issue

I do small clip captures

[sullen violet]

Had problem ever since new anti cheat tbh

[tawny carbon]

Sheesh 🙄

[light quail]

Who looking for a squad player

[sullen violet]

Got it working now

[tawny carbon]

Bro, they nerfed us over and over again and love wildcat. All because the community hates aircrafts mainly lol bird.

Fuck the community to do this

[sullen violet]

clips only are like1 seccond

[tawny carbon]

You can extend it up to 5mins

[sullen violet]

Ea anticheat

[tawny carbon]

I only use 30secs

[sullen violet]

I try to record manual it instantly stops recording

[tawny carbon]

Mmm 🤔 odd. I can hit record and it don’t do it. Unless it’s a certain amount of time

[sullen violet]

🤷

I would expect it too be no problem tbh

[tawny carbon]

I mean it’s a anti cheat

Can’t expect much

That goes for any anti cheats

It either works or it don’t

[fresh lintel]

I mean I hate the little bird but thats mainly because No one shoots at it.

[next onyx]

Too bad the TOR is just braindead.

[fresh lintel]

So many pilots get so close to the ground and i'm like "If i had a mouse you'd literally be magnum fuel for me"

[tawny carbon]

I miss when my lil bird had the laser guided missile to this day

[fresh lintel]

TOR has no reason to get close. Theres very little urban combat scenarios for it where it can and will basically be an Annihilator for Battlefield

Turn around a corner of an apartment complex and see the light of god flashing before your eyes and all you can do is reverse

Little bird is in a spot that isn't super oppressive as I felt it used to be

But now the Attack heli is basically that oppressive force if no one takes it out

[sullen violet]

Only this game

Completelly blocks out shadowplay

Also would expect it to be whitelisted and function 🤷

[tawny carbon]

That’s very weird tbh

[sullen violet]

🤷

[tawny carbon]

Did you try restarting the game/pc

[fresh lintel]

Smh smh why you gotta cheaaaat 🤭

[sullen violet]

2 times

[tawny carbon]

Oof

[sullen violet]

Didnt restart pc, happened last time i was gonna record in that game too

[sullen violet]

Shadowplay

Shame, was gonna show funny clip

[fresh lintel]

Cheeeeeater!

I'm joking i know its a recording program 🤭

[tawny carbon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/126vncv/does_anyone_have_issues_with_shadowplay_still/

[sullen violet]

https://tenor.com/view/smh-laugh-gif-19892494

[fresh lintel]

Oh its been a long time then, goodness.

[sullen violet]

I'll stay quiet and not say anything for now

[fresh lintel]

Hey i'm just a xbot okay 😭

[sullen violet]

Talking about the anti cheat

[fresh lintel]

Oh

[sullen violet]

Why did they make their own even?

[tawny carbon]

Try reinstalling GPU driver

[fresh lintel]

Which one were they using before?

[sullen violet]

Just installed a new one the other day

[tawny carbon]

Because Easy Anticheat is ass

[sullen violet]

EAC

[fresh lintel]

Oh. I thought that was the current one ;v;

[sullen violet]

lol but how we know this one better

[tawny carbon]

They updated it around S5 or something

[sullen violet]

Current one is ea anti cheat. BF1 will get soon aswell

[fresh lintel]

"EA Anti cheat" oh no.

[tawny carbon]

I mean 😪 it’s better on modern releases than past games

[fresh lintel]

Its probably cheaper for them to make and maintain their own. But i'm highly biased against EA as a company

[tawny carbon]

Prob the main reason why

[fresh lintel]

Like they have the money to make it worth while but at the same time, its EA. I dont trust them very much

[tawny carbon]

It works very well on 2042 ngl

BFV works better than Easy Anticheat but still ass since it’s old game

They prob made EA anti cheat so they can update it more than before compared to having Easy anticheat. More secure than left in the dust.

[fresh lintel]

I mean hey if it works better, then thats good. But if its causing non issue programs like shadowplay from being used..

[tawny carbon]

Idk y, it works for me just fine but other people have shadowplay issue like klikard

He’s not the only one

[fresh lintel]

That is strange. Technology is weird

[sullen violet]

From what i know there isn't a section on AHQ to provide feedback on the anti cheat. So might be hard for AC devs to be aware of certain issues. After 1 year i do think it should have been noticed though 🤔 🤷

[arctic grove]

What do you guys think is the wost weapon in battlefield 2042 In your opinion?

If your opinion.

Give*

I see. They are actually underrated I love the DMR and the BSW.

In YOUR OPINION What’s the best weapon in the game. If you can give an answer.

I just want to collect info on the BF2042 community’s what weapon do they think that’s the worst and the best!

I see, thanks for your input.

[pearl ridge]

The M93 or whatever that BF3 machine pistol is called

It's fucking awful

I have three kills with it and they're all on bots

The burst fire is uncontrollable and the single fire is hilariously weak

It gets outdone by just about everything, especially the G57

[midnight mesa]

how does one get to 2042's config files

[arctic grove]

Thanks for you input.

[uncut belfry]

It's been 2 years but i WILL be back on the BF!

[robust vapor]

Prone is bad @fresh lintel

Do not prone in the presence of D0K

[fresh lintel]

PUNISH THE PRONE

[tame crow]

riot shield needs to never be in another BF game however

[willow grail]

Happy Friday Battlefield Community

[naive ember]

AI is OP

[ebon pilot]

M5A3. Most versatile and all around weapon. Can be basically anything. Also has an underbarrel shotgun

[naive ember]

AM40 and PP-29

Use Blasco and top 3 is ez

[pearl ridge]

Caved in a dude’s skull with an unexploded 40mm

[vale barn]

Bruh my game doesn't laynch

After months I try to play it and it doesn't fuckin launch

Avarage dice

[vale barn]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-stiles-middle-finger-flip-off-pocket-wliia-gif-159684692316565681

🖕

[vale barn]

I see this being used only in dice games and no where else lol

No fucking where else

[tawny carbon]

Are you on steam or EA app?

[vale barn]

Steam

I actually wanted to play it man

I have to resort to bf 1 now

I spent hours updating it and everything

For shit sake man MAKE A SMALL FUCKING GAME IT DOESN

Aaaaaaa

[tawny carbon]

That explains a lot

I only use EA app, I don’t use Steam for ubi or ea games

[vale barn]

It uses ea app to launch it

It doesn't matyer

Matter

[tawny carbon]

Still uses Steam

[vale barn]

??

????

[tawny carbon]

People have more issues when they use Steam for ea/ubi games in general

Compared to ea/ubi launcher alone when they bought the game

It’s something with steam end

[vale barn]

Bro it used to work

Why wouldn't it work now

Beavuse of a shitty steam download or whatever

Fuck this

[tawny carbon]

Have you tried verifying files

Restarting pc

Redownloading gpu driver

Making sure windows updates is to date

Clearing cache in Steam/ea

Redownloading the game

[vale barn]

I don't care I am playing bf1 now

Will do though

Wait

AAA

Idk whay ro do man

Bf 1 is boring now

[naive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-gif-43566467168609839

[tawny carbon]

There is many factors to try to fix the issues

[naive ember]

Screw bf1 just fix 2042

[tawny carbon]

I’m just saying people encounter more issues more frequently form steam than using the official launcher at the end of the day

[vale barn]

Why fould it just not work

Ic

[tawny carbon]

Tiny bit of looking from the internet

Crazy how Google works sometimes

[pearl ridge]

The dedication the devs had towards porting only the worst maps of each game is staggering

Except for Caspian I guess

[vale barn]

It just gets stuck in the battlefield screen

Oh nvm

It works

LOL

[tawny carbon]

It’s great for its official era with the map, but ass with 2042 era

[pearl ridge]

Canals is just a bad map altogether

[tawny carbon]

Definitely

But the best with it’s actual BF era tho

As soon 2042 era is on it, terrible all together

For any portal maps imo

[naive ember]

Should've did Caspian BT

[fiery solar]

Does anyone else not see a performance increase or decrease no matter what graphic settings you’re at. Besides with ray tracing on/off

Like even when I change my resolution my fps is the same

[naive ember]

I noticed a performance increase when playing rush xl in redacted

[pearl ridge]

I don't get people who T1 stuff

I feel like I'm overusing something when I get it to mastery 12

I just got my GVT to mastery 24

[chilly jacinth]

Not over using when you get everything to T1

[amber kelp]

I feel that, in a franchise where there is such a wealth of gadgets, vehicles, and general things to do, the progression systems hyperfocus on racking up kills with weapons specifically is a bit of a shame. It encourages people to only play in a specific way

[chilly jacinth]

All the things have a T1 badge

[amber kelp]

Im more talking in general, not even just 2042. 2042 having it for most things is better but I still cant help but feel that the checkbox nature of it is limiting.
Like emplacements for example. They can be fun to use but to do so sacrifices progression on whatever T1 you're grinding.

BF1 currently has neither weapon progression beyond service stars, and some of the most creative map interactables in the franchise. I have to wonder if those would have gone ignored if every weapon had a kill based list of attachments to grind.

[fiery shoal]

whats the suggested alternative?

[amber kelp]

Id say xp with a weapon equipped is probably a better alternative.

[fiery shoal]

so even if you suck with a gun you can progress said gun?

[amber kelp]

I dont think youre gonna get very far with that.

[fiery shoal]

i dont even think of this as a major aspect of the game to begin with, its just a little bonus for getting kills with a weapon

some people really focus on this for some reason though, which have at it, but i dont think its really a concern for the devs to change it considering it essentialy does nothing

[amber kelp]

incentives effect how people play. Personally I dont give a shit about weapon progression, but I cant help but feel that tweaking the system would lead to a lot of people having a better experience

[fiery shoal]

ehhh, if youre suggesting a change that will make people play more team/obj oriented i dont see that happening, the concept of "t1" is new to bf and previous titles had a bunch of people fucking about as well

[amber kelp]

not more "team or object" oriented per say, just less tunnel visioned on doing one thing in the match.

[fiery shoal]

bfv had the gold skins behind doing relevant things like get kills while capping and what not and i wouldnt say bfv played any better than 2042 in terms of randoms suddenly playing "correctly"

[fiery shoal]

theres not much else in the game outside of getting kills and playing the objective..

[amber kelp]

yeah, but in how you go about that there's a myriad of ways. And people will not do a certain one not because it isn't fun or effective, but because it doesn't reward some attachment or badge.
I dont see much wrong if it switches to an "xp with item equipped system" and I think doing so would let people engage with the sandbox more without having to think about some progression tradeoff

Like, say youre grinding an M4 and you find an abandoned tank. You could steal that tank, go on a rampage, but doing so would mean you lose time on that m4 youre grinding. My question is, should players have to make that sacrifice? Is that incentive creating the most fun experience for them?

[ivory canopy]

GVT was my first T1

[pine roost]

While conceptually I can see that being a nice concept, as you’d be pushed to level up weapons by performing more tasks like healing etc, that also means it’s not really a demonstration of your proficient with a weapon, which even though it can be cheesed id say is the main draw of mastery tiers or service stars

[dire hawk]

Why ? 😅

[pine roost]

But then again I don’t really care what they choose to do, I stick to default skins regardless

[dire hawk]

It’s not really good imo, how do you make it work ?

[empty sand]

I want to find a portal to unlock xfad-4 draug attachments, anyone have any experience code for that?

[ivory canopy]

Because I am crazy

[amber kelp]

idk if the current system is a demonstration of proficiency either. Maybe in the first few months after a game's release, but anyone can get a T1 given enough time.

I could only see that being an issue for a meme weapon like the kolibri or something

[pine roost]

Yeah it’s not a direct correlation, but someone who had to get 1000 kills would inherently know more than someone who uses resupplies to get that final skin and not as many kills

[amber kelp]

they should but someone who slaps together a meta setup from a yt vid an 0.7 k/ds their way to 1k kills isnt exactly an expert.

they'd be impressively patient or persistent, I'd give them that

[pine roost]

No, but still they’d know slightly more than the resupply point farmer

All in all I don’t feel there is a definitive best way to do progression

Kills is fine for me cause I do all the other stuff naturally anyway, don’t really need any incentives to play objectives, heal etc

[amber kelp]

my main question is "which progression systems lead to the most people having the most fun". I'm not too concerned about prestige unless its something like an Elo ranking, and I'm not too concerned about pushing player to do support more.

[pine roost]

In that case probably exp then

While I get the point of the bfv gold challenges was that it’s meant to be a challenge, it wasn’t particularly fun

Exp would be the best of both worlds then yeah

[amber kelp]

Personally I think the support issue is more down to class design. You give the medic an ar and a grenade launcher, and people who just want to frag or play as a standard rifleman will pick medic. If you design the whole medic class around being a medic though, then you can be sure the people playing that class have the full intention of healing and rezzing.

[fiery shoal]

eh each bf has played with roles for a while now, as i suggested earlier, nothing youre gonna do is gonna influence players to play as a team/obj in any meaningful way

its a large scale casual sandbox shooter, as long as that definition stands (it should since they are core values on a bf game), then people are just gonna pick whatever class is most fun for them, which typically means getting kills

[amber kelp]

exactly. Thats why I think the classes should be designed with this in mind, instead of fighting against it. If only a few people want to play medic, then design medic with the intent that theres only a few people on the server. Cause bribing people to play medic with a grenade launcher just results in a GL kit that can heal itself.

bf has been shifting around the roles for a while not, but tbh they may have some success if they take another shot at the 7 class system from bf2.

(or probably 6 since I dont think the spec ops role is ever returning)

[ebon pilot]

One of the things I see with weapon restrictions is it reduces my versatility. Past games weren't really that fun because while I want to play medic and heal people, or play engineer and shoot tanks, it often means I can't shoot players as effectively because a whole selection of weapons are locked to another class.

2042 has been really enjoyable for me because I can use any weapon for whatever range I want to engage from and play medic or engineer for whatever specialization I want to take. Believe it or not, most of what happens in this game is shooting infantry. Just the context in which you focus is slightly different depending on role

[fiery shoal]

sadly i think A LOT of people like the weapons being open, because personally i do like completely locked loadouts

i think thats why 2042 got boring for me faster, i just make my ideal loadouts and see what i can do, im not concerned with the classes strengths and weaknesses really

[ebon pilot]

i don't really think the classes have specific weaknesses though. it's more of "you can choose to focus on one of these 4 things, but no more"

[fiery shoal]

in previous titles i would say so, at least in terms of their weapons

recon has generally been ass at anything but range, smgs ass at range, etc

[ebon pilot]

oh i definitely mean in 2042

in past games there were definitely specific engagement weaknesses of the classes

and that fuckin sucks for me

[fiery shoal]

yea just preferences, i personally hope they go back to locked loadouts but eh

[tawny carbon]

Everyone use the same weapon

[hoary sentinel]

bf1 with locked loadouts, the real ww1 experience

[patent pivot]

Back in my days....

We just pick an engineer cause shotgun

Battlefront

[hoary sentinel]

[amber kelp]

I kinda wish they had this as a modifier for 1 and 5.
(and wish 5 actually had a weapon for each faction per class)

[amber kelp]

id be suprised if they didnt. I think theyre gonna want to bring back a bunch of older systems to try to gain good faith from the players.
The question is whether there will be all-class weapon types

[fiery shoal]

i dont believe that first sentiment of getting back good faith, those people are likely still playing old titles, not looking to buy the new bf regardless (unless it was literally a remaster or something close to it for the title they like)

that playerbase is also a small percentage of sales, these games sell millions just off the name and trailer alone, they dont have to please or win back old heads by any means

[amber kelp]

I mean a big reason they are still playing those is because they prefer them to 2042 or 5, not to mention the good number of people who just stopped playing the franchise and went to other games, hoping the next one is better

[fiery shoal]

id argue that the only thing that would bring in that kind of playerbase is essentially a remaster or something close to it though, like anything less just wouldnt be THEIR version of the bf they want to play

[amber kelp]

I dont think theyre as picky as you make them out to be, they just dont like 2042 or V.
Though I do supect we're getting something like that, if Henderson is to be belived theyre playing it safe.

[fiery shoal]

its weird you say they arent that picky but hate on v (i might even extend that to 2042) because these are still squarely bf games

especially V, like the only problems with it were a bad trailer and not showing bad flag everywhere?

[amber kelp]

I dont enjoy 5, personally. I dont find the gunplay fun and I think the art direction is all over the place. To me it doesnt provide anything BF1 doesnt do better.
For most people thats the problem. A bf doesnt need to just be "good enough", it needs to be more worth their time then the previous.

[fiery shoal]

and a trailer doesnt even have to do with the game itself.. so really the only complaint about bfv is lack of bad flag and atmosphere?

eh, i just dont see how any bf other than 2042 is even close to being drastically different than any other bf title and yet people act like bf/dice/ea kick their dogs when a new title releases

i genuinely think the playerbase we are talking about ARE just that picky

[amber kelp]

i just dont see how any bf other than 2042 is even close to being drastically different
Thats the thing, whether 5 is "drastically different" or not isnt really the point. For most people who rejected it, it was just lower quality, it was either not as fun or immersive or both.
The game needs to be more than serviceable to be worth a lot of people's time. Its not about checking the boxes of "what is a bf game" and ensuring that nothing is so bad its intolerable, the game needs quality.

[hearty kiln]

Any idea when more portal vehicles are being added to aow or that's still tbd?

[amber kelp]

idk about that chief

[hearty kiln]

Yeah I figured. Guess I can try and become a better jet pilot in the mean time. The gameplay loop of jets is kind of boring to me though since you have to kill vehicle users. At least the bomber doesn't have same caveat

[amber kelp]

I mean that is kinda the point of a fighter jet

[fiery shoal]

thats kind of the point though isnt it? its not drastically different, could be lower quality, id argue its not, and if it were its marginal, but people wont play it because its marginally "worse"? sounds picky to me

[amber kelp]

noones under an obligation to play it. Like yeah if you locked these people in a room and that was the only thing to play, they'd probably play it. But that is not the real world, most people have a bunch of games in their library, often including other bf games, and only so much time to play. The game needs to be worth that time

You always respond to the people critical of these game with reasons that they should or could tolerate the issues they have. I've only rarely seen you actually push for or articulate why something is good. Youre right that they can be tolerated, that the games arent completely unplayable. But this approach is just out of touch with what the average consumer wants and has available to them.

Tell me, why should I play 5?

[fiery shoal]

i feel like this isnt addressing the original talking point and starting to pivot.. i could directly answer all this but that still doesnt change my original point of the people you are saying need to be won back DONT actually need to be won back and are likely just going to keep playing old titles because of a myriad of reasons we have already discussed

to just vaguely touch on your last 2 sections so no one claim i just cant answer it, id say the logical main priority of playing an online fps game (to shoot others in the face), the mechanics that bfv have TO shoot people in the face are the best the series has had. if you dont value the main purpose of a games mechanics being the best and question if thats enough for you to try it then idk what to tell you

basically the only thing bfv lacks has to do with secondary priorities to an online fps title like atmosphere or historical accuracy

and lets be honest, im mostly not talking to the people being critical, but the people that are being unreasonable

when they say "Bfv is dogshit" and i say "no its not" theres not really a need to "articulate why something is good"

[amber kelp]

Its not a pivot. Your idea of what these people are like is, simply put, an out of touch delusion. You brand people as picky or whiny or hopelessly nostalgic, or bitter, but when confronting them you only push for them to have lower standards. You only tell them why the game is tolerbale.

I have plenty of games where I can shoot people in the face. Many of them, including older BF games, are much more fun and satisfying to shoot people in than BFV. Why should I pick 5?

[fiery shoal]

imo thats either a complete miss of the interactions i have with those people, or just an intentional misinterpretation to try to have a better case

[exotic ocean]

i play with ai conquest with bots, how i do /* stop for them to spawning on my vehicle?! -.- omg

[fiery shoal]

"but when confronting them you only push for them to have lower standard"

another sentence that i feel like is an intentional misinterpretation, how else am i supposed to see that when i literally just pointed out in the case of bfv i think the main things that matter to an online fps shooter are the best of the series.. thats not telling anyone to accept less

you also keep applying subjective aspects like "its more fun" like thats universal

[amber kelp]

You just said that it is the best. Not why its the best. Ive seen where that argument goes before, you simply say that the less spread makes it "modern" then call me a boomer. But no amount of backflipping is going to make the past matches of BFV I've had suddently, retroactively fun. It is subjective, many people prefer 5's gunplay, but if someone doesnt then theyre perfectly reasonable to not play the game.

[fiery shoal]

and your argument is just a subjective "its more fun" written like a statement and not a personal take

do i have to say "bfv is more fun" to counter your point?

[amber kelp]

Correct.
That is what matters. Its not an argument to be won. Its not pickyness or boomerism or any other excuse. It is simply not that fun to me, or many other players. There is no "objectively better" gunplay.

[fiery shoal]

why when i give reasons why bfv is better you dont accept it and say "tell me why" even though you know why but just negate it because you personally dont like it, but you can just say 'its more fun' like thats somehow a better argument?

do you need me to convince you to make you accept these statements?

[amber kelp]

because I play games to enjoy them, Nyphon. If its not enjoyable, I am not going to play it, it is simply not providing me value.

[fiery shoal]

topic has never been otherwise...

that sentence reads "convince me why bfv or any modern bf is worth MY time" when my topic has been "old heads (not you) wont be won over by a modern bf because its likely not exactly what they want and dice/ea likely know that and wont even try"

ive never said theres no subjectivity to what bf people want to play or that they cant play those titles..

and somehow thats your conclusion? k i guess?

[amber kelp]

old heads (not you) wont by won over by a modern bf because its likely not exactly what they want
Because you fundamentally misunderstand why people dont play the newest games. Because you have this complete misconception of what motivates people to play a game, and have instead internalized them as these cartoonish contrarians.

You've acknowledged that fun is subjective but also continue to reiterate that BFV's gunplay is "the best". The point of the argument is that I dont have a good reason to play bfv. So I dont play BFV. And that is perfectly reasonable

[fiery shoal]

no i undersatnd why people dont play certain games, been explaining it this whole time. you choosing not to accept it or need an essay to be convinced doesnt change that. theres been several points about why people dont play modern titles or dont like modern/better gameplay mechanics, im sorry you seemingly cant comprehend them?

[amber kelp]

modern/better gameplay mechanics
You still pose this contradiction. You cannot simultaneously acknowlege the subjectivity of this while also reiterating the idea that a gameplay change is "objectively better"

[fiery shoal]

thats not a contradiction

[amber kelp]

it fundamentally is. The point of the gunplay is to be fun. If fun is subjective, then the gunplay is subjective.

[fiery shoal]

nor was i personally applying subjectivity to those mechanics

not like subjective taste has any bearings on objective quality

[amber kelp]

what makes a gunplay system "objectively better" exactly?
how can something be objectively better when its goal is to provide something fundamentally subjective?

[fiery shoal]

i loathe tomatoes, doesnt mean the best tomato soup is suddenly shit because i like the canned tomato soup more because it tastes less like tomato

[fiery shoal]

less rng, more emphasis on mechanical skill than knowledge, more consistency

[amber kelp]

And why are those "objectively better"?

[fiery shoal]

though mechanical skill vs knowledge could be a bit subjective

[deft tinsel]

this is of topic, but aesthetics-wise bf2042 does a lot of things right

i wish they improve upon 2042 and use what they learned for the next bf title, but i have almost 0 hope

[fiery shoal]

imagine asking why less rng and being more consistent is better...

humor me, why is the opposite better?

[deft tinsel]

btw does 128 conquest still get a lot of players or is it pretty much a dead mode?

[amber kelp]

I am going to ask that. You take it for granted, but when one game has more rng and is providing a more fun experience for me, then I have to question why I should even care about what is "objectively better"

[fiery shoal]

youre honestly the only person ive seen say 2042 has good aesthetics, what about it do you like?

[deft tinsel]

the graphics style, despite the glaring issues like TAA being utter dogwater, is really good imo

the weapons & vehicles strike the perfect balance between sci-fi and grounded

the colours of the UI are good, though the UI itself is questionable at best

[amber kelp]

There is no way to square that circle without detatching the system from the purpose of the game it exists in. If the metric isnt rooted in how well the game is providing value to its players, then the metric is fundamentally arbitrary.

[fiery shoal]

ah so it seems like the near future setting? idk, i dont think bf6 is going to be near future personally

[deft tinsel]

yeah most likely not, but if they decide to go even further i hope they don't muck it up

we'll most likely get something modern day though

[amber kelp]

a lot of the weapons are more modern than they may look. The M7 for example is a real rifle the US is making standard

[fiery shoal]

i fully expect bc3

though i said that with 2042 as well

[deft tinsel]

yeah, it's a good blend of sci-fi and modern

[fiery shoal]

but man, it just seems like a low hanging fruit to get sales and have some sort of name to garner hype

[deft tinsel]

this time i think it's very possible, 2042 was a huge stain on the franchise

what better way to make everyone forget it than bc3

sprinkle in even more nostalgia bait

[fiery shoal]

tbf i feel like unless they have an absolute hit, ill always expect the next bf title to bf bc3

[amber kelp]

My suspicion is that the next BF game will be heavily inspired by the Ukraine War. Trench warfare, drones, the like.

[deft tinsel]

too early

[fiery shoal]

yeaaa that seems a bit insensitive

[deft tinsel]

i think they'll def go with something like the modern warfare reboot of cod

[amber kelp]

not set in the war, just inspired by it. Like how BF3 is in a fictional war in Iran but takes queues from Iraq

[deft tinsel]

"realistic" gritty, modern day

[amber kelp]

Probably somewhere in the Balkans, if not a worldwide conflict

[deft tinsel]

right, but bf3 released in 2011

the hottest part of the iraq war was years before that no?

[deft tinsel]

nah, but it'll def be good ole usa/allies vs russia

[amber kelp]

yeah absolutely. My main point was that theres still a massive difference between a game like that and a game actually set in iraq if that makes sense.

[deft tinsel]

part of me hopes they set it further on after 2042 when the weather stuff is really starting to hit

still grounded sci-fi, not like 2142

[amber kelp]

almost certainly. I only suggested the balkans because of that casting call a while back

[deft tinsel]

use some of the themes from 2042 but make it not shit

[deft tinsel]

hmm maybe a fictional country or something, tho i don't recall battlefield doing that before?

i only started with bf3 so idk

[amber kelp]

Henderson leaks also suggested PMCs and modern technology play a big role which strikes me as ukraine inspired.

[amber kelp]

nah theyve never done that. Tho they will make fictional factions or alliances, or they will euphemize real factions

like how BF3's PLR is a pretty clear euphemism for the Iranian IRGC

[deft tinsel]

they may vaguely borrow stuff from it, but i really don't think they'll go very far with ukraine inspiration

too risky for a pr hit, esp after 2042 tanking the franchise name so hard

[amber kelp]

Itll be a fictional conflict, possibly in a slavic country like Serbia, that will incoporate elements of modern war. Thats about as far as I think they'd take it.

[deft tinsel]

wait holup is there a new weapon or something

what's this dfr thing

[amber kelp]

the last weapon they added

[deft tinsel]

is it under assault weapons?

[amber kelp]

its an lmg iirc

[deft tinsel]

nvm found it

yyeah

interesting

is it good?

[amber kelp]

idk i barely play 42

[deft tinsel]

i took a months long break from it and just now returned

[amber kelp]

honestly it could be good for PR if they can get this serious tone that is missing from the AAA fps space atm. So long as its not too overt with the inspirations or trying to be silly

[deft tinsel]

nah even if they somehow manage to pull it off, the discussions about them taking advantage of an ONGOING huge war in europe will be huge and not positive

dice doesn't have the balls at all

[amber kelp]

at the same time a game set in modern war would be wierd if it doesnt acknowledge that modern war completely flipped on its head

up until recently modern-war games were in a mostly speculative scenario, but now we know exactly how this plays out.

[deft tinsel]

i very much doubt dice will give you control of an fpv drone to drop nades on soldiers lmao

[amber kelp]

i think the fpv drone will be the litmus test for whether or not its based on real modern war. Either it wont be in the game, or itll be front and center

but when the leaks say that modern tech is an outright theme of the plot, then I lean towards them showing up.

[deft tinsel]

nah, and if they do it'll be as far from real life as possible

a prototype drone swarm type of thing maybe

[amber kelp]

if it was then you'd think they'd be leaning more towards the future
(though personally I think a drone swarm is a much more grim and very plausible reality)

[deft tinsel]

it'll be the classic fps modern day stuff of the golden age of bf/cod

hell, they might even set it in the 2000s for extra nostalgia points

[amber kelp]

they could do that though something tells me they wont. Even 3 and 4 were set in the near future so they could have more options with gadgets and whatnot

[deft tinsel]

wow, had a balanced and tough breakthrough game for the first time

both teams played well and organised

just barely won by a hair, as attacker

did very well too, for my noob standards

[placid echo]

You might have the chat hidden

[north sage]

Any one trying to squad up?

[fiery shoal]

!!lfg

[tender pendant]

ℹ Looking for Players to play with?
Head over to the Looking For Games channel category.
Please remember to state your region when looking for players to play with!
#lfg-crossplay #lfg-pc #lfg-xbox #lfg-playstation

[nimble sky]

Anybody playing conquest 128 rn?

[granite light]

Umm. This is the wrong thread. But this applies because you pc players dont setup your controls ANY WAY!

[tawny carbon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WAUx4Ay7FTw?si=JwNj5ZyKgcVCPtnT

grandpa putting in some work

[vital quail]

7 kills a match 🔥

[warm garnet]

Idk if u guys remember me

But that issue I had where the game wouldnt use my dedicated gpu

There is two fixes

1: lower Uma buffer size

Or if u don't want to do that for stability reasons, open the EA app so u can launch the game
From there , open device manager, go and disable your integrated gpu before you start the game

Then quickly enable it

Works

[vital quail]

I've redeployed instead of opened squad screen so many damn times

[runic quarry]

lol i can feel the pain

[tame crow]

game is so unplayable on weekends in OCE when all of the low bf iq wagies get on lol. i am seeing some special moments in this game rn lmao.

you gotta love when someone driving a vehicle is just so oblivious to someone repairing them. the amount of drivers i am seeing getting stuck is hilarious.

oh and barely any randy squadmates will spawn on you. especially if a PS logo next to their name lol

however i did squad wipe with repair tool so i mean the oblivious nature works in my favour too lmao

[fiery solar]

silly fact some players still play the open beta for some reason. the last time someone played it was february 8th 2024 according to steamDB

[pearl ridge]

Ah yes the worst beta I have ever played

Jesus that was a fucking disaster

[naive ember]

I still play the alpha

[low timber]

@next onyx did you T1 all the vault weapons?

[next onyx]

All guns yeah.

I'm pretty much done.

[low timber]

Nice, yesterday got T1 EMP grenade

[next onyx]

I haven't done specialists but I don't care.

[low timber]

Only grenades I have left are Concussion, knives and the AT grenade, but I won’t even try to front the AT grenade though.

[next onyx]

Haha

[low timber]

It needs 400 vehicle damage per mastery level, so 16 000 total and you only carry one of them, it’s only for engineer, damage output is so low and iirc the throwing animation is so slow.

[delicate sable]

hi

[obsidian tide]

Hello. New bug found.

The BF2042.exe executable can suffer a Game Stall or Crash event on certain map changes, e.g. to Exposure or otherwise, and cause a BSOD with a DPC Watchdog Violation stop code.

Examining related crash and stall minidumps in WinDbg reveals this is due to the game executable stalling out on an !IsGlimpseEnabled parameter and memory object. Glimpse may be the Glimpse ASP.NET modules used for debugging ASP.NET applications in Visual Studio.

[chilly jacinth]

You really need to post these on their forums

No one here will ever see them

[obsidian tide]

Clearly, but I wonder whether doing it there would offer much added success.

[pine roost]

Well it’s a direct line to the developers, so yes it would

[vapid notch]

unable to connect to EA servers

is killing me

[pine roost]

Devs only really look here right when a big update drops, when there’s a feedback forum active or when one is just chatting. Post it on their forums and they’ll actively be looking through it

[naive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/eyeroll-steve-harvey-steve-on-watch-omg-what-gif-16746944

[obsidian tide]

The mods did not have to remove that prior post, unless it was self-deleted.

[mighty holly]

The mods here have no power over the game

Especially the admin

[low timber]

lol, got a Concussion (grenade) kill

[pearl ridge]

I think I once blew up a tank with an EMP grenade

[low timber]

I’ve killed a Bolte with the drones EMP, that was before any map reworks though.

[radiant talon]

[manic mango]

Specialist is gonna take awhile unless your lucky

[manic mango]

Thank gosh I don't play on pc

[obsidian tide]

On one hand, it gets RTAO.

On the other hand, there are still users experiencing issues with it depending on the system.

[manic mango]

I'm on xbox series s

[obsidian tide]

Do you get the XL and 128 modes?

[manic mango]

I just sent u ss's

[obsidian tide]

Only Conquest 64, then?

[manic mango]

No it takes me 30 secs to get into any lobby

[obsidian tide]

Oh, I see. That seems typical for PC users, too. A little, at least.

I should note that the matchmaking server locations are sparse depending on region.

[sullen violet]

Talking about RT, wonder if the next game gonna have that 🤔

I mean full ray tracing seems to come to more and more games tbh

[obsidian tide]

Expect it. It is already standardized for DirectX 12 Feature Level 12_2.

The real question is what the minimum feature level and Shader Model will be, given the rise of SM6.6.

[vocal tusk]

Hopefully it has more than RTAO. RTAO is one of the most disapointing RT features (For me)

[sullen violet]

Would be nice if they had AO as in indirect lighting i think it would be called 🤔

[vocal tusk]

RTGI and RT Reflections would be good

[sullen violet]

They already have that kind of though, but probably voxel based GI and AO

[sullen violet]

Full ray tracing better

Path tracing too fry your gpu

Some years ago i would say is overrated and not worth the performance impact. But it's getting better and devs are making better use of it than before

[manic mango]

Why does that look like the game home front

[sullen violet]

🤷

Could be it, just found an example on google

[spiral coral]

128 bots? I thought max was 64

[jovial wasp]

Hewooo I am new I play any game mode 😄

[sullen violet]

Thought 12_1 made support for DXR and nothing changed in 12_2 as for DXR, but i dont know much about that tbh. But we'll see what the next game brings

[obsidian tide]

Global Illumination, as in RTGI?

[sullen violet]

Yes

But that in the picture is just ambient shadowing

[obsidian tide]

You are thinking that the room interior shot is something from Homefront: The Revolution.

[obsidian tide]

12_1 coexisted with the DXR spec, and can use it with driver support and maybe Agility SDK. 12_2 is the formal integration.

[pine roost]

Yeah that would be cool

turns all graphics settings to low anyways

[sullen violet]

I play all games on max though

[pine roost]

Nah I kid. I turn down settings that might impact performance a fair bit and ones that introduce more visual noise, but I do care about things looking good

[sullen violet]

Wondering how much of an upgrade the graphics gonna be, pretty curious to know tbh

[sullen violet]

https://tenor.com/view/pc-pc-explosion-pc-burn-pc-fire-computer-gif-2323271670262777828

[vocal tusk]

Hopefully little to none, just better maps and art direction

[sullen violet]

Why wouldnt they upgrade graphics for next game though? 🤷

[vocal tusk]

Chasing "Updated graphics" is how AAA gaming is where it is

[sullen violet]

I mean, you might say its better to work hard other places

Gameplay always will be most important, but graphics helps also imo. Specially if it's great graphics

[vocal tusk]

2042 already looks more than good enough, engine capabilities wise

[pine roost]

I can't see how graphics can get any better

[sullen violet]

2042 looks pretty decent, but i did expect a bit more from it tbh

[sullen violet]

Of course it can

[pine roost]

if bf1 is considered to be superior in looks due to it's artistic direction over pure visual quality, i'd rather they just keep the individual graphical aspects to what we have now and just try to improve how it's used

[obsidian tide]

What it requires now is some destruction restoration a la BF1/V, given the competitor had a bit of those.

[pine roost]

I mean, we've already got insane shadow resolutions, texture quality, global illumination, facial animations, partcles etc. I just don't know what else can really be done

[sullen violet]

BF1 looks pretty good but it's behind

[vocal tusk]

Good level and game design from day 1

[pine roost]

sure if you look at the individual elements, but the sum of it's parts is far greater

[sullen violet]

Many things, but one thing that suprised me most was lacking in 2042, sub surface scattering. Even battlefield 4 had great skin rendering

Everything adds to the overall

[vocal tusk]

You never get close enough to other characters for it to matter

And 2042 had no campaign, so again, literally doesnt matter. Unless you feel it be important to lose 5% performance to have your hands look like light penetrates them

[sullen violet]

I mean, you are right but main menu 🤷

[pine roost]

I can understand the desire for quality, but i'd actually like to be able to run games without an upgrade every 3 years, and more can be done with the tech of today

[vocal tusk]

Imagine how incompetent a dev team would need to be to add that for previews on a main menu tho.

[sullen violet]

SSS should be pretty light i would expect

[vocal tusk]

What PM would approve that addition hehe

[sullen violet]

Overall

[vocal tusk]

I do hope they make it look a bit better, but nothing drastic. All I want from the next game is better level design and a bit more destructions. Both of these things at the same time will compliment each other

[pine roost]

I've just not really seen much in the way of recent graphical improvements that drastically changes the presentation of a game any more than good art direction from a few years ago could do

[sullen violet]

Cyberpunk, alan wake 2

[pine roost]

but then again enforced TAA just makes everything look worse

[vocal tusk]

The tech sided things those games added will not be possible for a long time in a MP game

[pine roost]

one thing I hate about modern games

[sullen violet]

I am confident they gonna try their best on all areas this time tbh, specially if you think about the backlash form 2042 if its good enough is another thing

[vocal tusk]

And AW2 being listed here is more a level design adn art direction request than a pure tech focused improvement

AW2 looks as good as it does because of superb art direction

[sullen violet]

Should be more open minded, could have made the same statement 5-10 years ago. Systems getting stronger and stronger and more and more games use fancy rendering features

[pine roost]

all in all though, they could make the most spectacular water shader, leaf particle physics, global illumination but if it's just plonked in random places just because they want to push tech over visual direction, I don't think i'd want that

basically, make it look good and don't make my pc chug

[vocal tusk]

The next game for sure needs to run on a lot of systems, and REALLY shouldnt require a higher spec to run that 2042 does.

[timid mauve]

HI CHAT can one play offline bot mode if one doesnt currently have internet?

[pine roost]

nope

[timid mauve]

wtf

[pine roost]

need internet to play with bots

[timid mauve]

dats dum

[pine roost]

cause it still spools up an official server

[timid mauve]

thx for being real with me

[pine roost]

with a god awful tickrate lol

[sullen violet]

There is graphics settings and newer consoles will come

[mental cave]

I remember everyone complaining here about optimization when they were running bottlenecked 20 series GPUs. I still dont think majority of PC players are even on a 30 series yet

[sullen violet]

CPU requirement in 2042 was kind of high. Don't forget it's 128p where the problem is, needing the extra cpu. I do think 128p is problematic for both gameplay and map feels, just overall tbh

[vocal tusk]

Its not the only problem. Even in 64P matches, a CPU with less than 8 cores can stutter and struggle

[sullen violet]

I didn't have a 6c cpu when playing 2042 so can't really comment on that. But i wouldn't be too suprised at same time

[vocal tusk]

the amount of people who report issues related to input being totally busted when using lesser, still relatively modern CPUs, like the 3600, 5600 is nuts. Thats the type of thing they need to fix, not making the game look better (Obviously engine tech and engine upgrade teams are different, but they all add to the same package)

2042 is entirely broken when trying to use a CPU with 8 cores and no threads for example.

[mental cave]

For CoD they pretty much made cutscenes into youtube videos so there's no load, they could go that direction in the next battlefield to cut corners

[sullen violet]

Dumbest i have heard

around 100 fps no problem in 128p

[vocal tusk]

??

Youre saying what im saying is not true?

[sullen violet]

Absolutelly

[vocal tusk]

Right, chat later then

100% is true, this game does not work as expected on a CPU liek the 9700k

[sullen violet]

I didn't have any problems 🤷

[vocal tusk]

"Works for me, so its not real"

[sullen violet]

You just said 8 core no threads 🤷

[vocal tusk]

And what is your CPU

[sullen violet]

i9 9900k with HT off

now 7800x3d

[sullen violet]

No problems at all

[winter hearth]

Hey

[vocal tusk]

And you actually played with HT off for an extended period on this game?

[sullen violet]

Yes

Why else would i say its fine

[pine roost]

that's the main thing for me, they can keep pushing scale and graphical elements as much as they want, but if it tanks performance as a result and doesn't look any better as a coherent visual style then I don't know if I want it

[vocal tusk]

Because ive spent so long trying to help people fix issues with their 9600ks and 9700ks that I had to make a YT tutorial for them to speed up the process of fixing it

[sullen violet]

🤷

[vocal tusk]

classic reply

[mental cave]

game is still CPU heavy? i thought they fixed that

[sullen violet]

Probably yes

[vocal tusk]

Not at all, they optimized it a bit, and made shader compilation happen pre match and async during...but it is still VERY CPU heavy

[sullen violet]

Said all i could say

From my experience*

[vocal tusk]

You can and will still max out 8c/16t in this game tho, even in a 64P match

[mental cave]

I was fine back then anyways cus I had a 12th gen i7 but i remember my nvidia said like 80% CPU lol

[vocal tusk]

Hopefully all the next games maps dont need to be remade anyways. Credit where its due for them doing that for 2042, but I hope its somethign that never needs to happen again

[sullen violet]

Let me check with my current cpu, havent checked. Cache probably really helpfull

It is 8c 16t

[vocal tusk]

You wont saturate every core/thread, but you will use all 16 threads

Cache doesnt really help 2042 all that much.

[sullen violet]

I see 🤔

[vocal tusk]

At least from my experience. I get roughly the same performance on 7950X3D with both CCDs locked at the same clocks

[sullen violet]

Better than my old i9 9900k at least

[sullen violet]

In some too many cases the 7800x3d is better in games though

[vocal tusk]

It can be yeah, and also at lower power, which is the main reason I like the 3D CPUs

[daring mica]

bf2042 is the best of its kind right now because of bots

imo, its the only shooter i can go like 50 and 1 lol

[sullen violet]

@vocal tusk

128p

I am pretty sure cahce doing something 🤷

[vocal tusk]

high FPS is not cause enough to tell that cache is doing something

[sullen violet]

No but still

[vocal tusk]

You'd need to comapre the CPU, to the same CPU at the same clocks without the cache (Which the 7950X3D is in a unique position to do)

[sullen violet]

Yeah would probably get most accurate cache results

[vocal tusk]

As far as I see, there is not much difference. I only tested in a pre setup bot match...but 2042 is too random for results in live player/bot matches to be accurate anyways

[sullen violet]

But as for 8c16t being a problem in the game is not correct. Same with old i9 9900k without HT

[sullen violet]

I supposed you could say that too some extent

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/5299vs3334/AMD-Ryzen-7-7800X3D-vs-Intel-i9-9900K

Cores are stronger on the 7800x3d though

[vocal tusk]

Cant compare a 9900k with HT disabled to an actual 8 core CPU tho

[sullen violet]

i9 9900k only managed to get 100 fps in the game

[sullen violet]

9800k

[vocal tusk]

?

[sullen violet]

Intel cores have been about same power for ages, maybe improved abit

Also ht didnt make much diffrence if i remember correctly, been a while since i tested

[vocal tusk]

Different CPUs, differing cache amounts, different cache speeds and frequencies.

You cant just say a 9900k with HT off is the same as an 9700k or a 9600k

All they share is the same TDP

[sullen violet]

Probably single core performance aswell, but don't know that

Anyway point being 8c no ht not being enough isn't quite true

[vocal tusk]

From being here and doing support/help over the past years I can say it is and/or can be. but im bot going to try to change your mind

[sullen violet]

Just going off your statement earlier

[vocal tusk]

there are many statement sliek this, both here, in YT comments, on reddit ETC since this game released

#battlefield-2042 message

CPU constantly at 100%, game feels sluggish, low GPU usage, ETC. All caused by a CPU with only 8 cores

[sullen violet]

I see 🤔 Was the cause found?

[vocal tusk]

their CPU is the cause

You can ask @remote kiln (If they are active) as they have seen and tried to help many such users with similar issues, on similar CPUs

[remote kiln]

no it is

[sullen violet]

That cpu getting eaten alive

[remote kiln]

a 4c 8t is the same as a 8c 8t

it's not enough and hasn't been for eons

[sullen violet]

As for the 9900k it was fine, didn't get 100% gpu usuage though but most of the time around 100fps. HT didn't make much diffrence either on that cpu

[remote kiln]

a 9900k is very different to a 9700k

it's just maths people can't expect unlimited frames and processor utilisation not to follow, he can either cap the framerate at like 60 and not have the issue or upgrade the processor, just how it works

a 3070ti and a 9700k is an insane mismatch to begin with

[sullen violet]

Seen some videos of the 9700k getting slayed, but guy said 8c no ht struggle so i shared my experience

[remote kiln]

the myth of that processors don't matter needs to die with people thinking their one from 6+ years ago is perfectly fine for today

[sullen violet]

I will be honest, i am suprised the performance loss of 9700k compared too 9900k in that game

Video i saw the cpu was struggeling to keep even 70 fps

[remote kiln]

double the threads its 2x the available count shouldn't be that surprising

[vocal tusk]

This game having no way to cap FPS max is also not helping such CPUs haha

[remote kiln]

run a game from today like black myth wukong and you'll get a similarish experience

[sullen violet]

Without HT on the 9900k

Couldn't push gpu too 100% but would stay around 100fps for most part in 128p

[remote kiln]

well yeah turning it off is akin to removing a crutch with a broken leg

the 9900k is the absolute last processor you can get away with today from that era purely because it has hyperthreading

[sullen violet]

Tbh it didn't do much diffrence though

[remote kiln]

it does, just not in a way you can see

utilisation doesn't mean anything in particular anyways

[sullen violet]

As in terms of fps

No unatural stuttering etc...

[remote kiln]

yeah, it does do something in that the frame times is much smoother than with it off

framerates aren't the be all, they're rather arbitrary nowadays in terms of judging processors, except if it's a x3d specifically

if youre on something like 9th gen you're going to be ipc limited anyways

[vocal tusk]

This is a video a user with some of these issues posted here as refernce before

https://youtu.be/2quMSXx_Pdk?si=_drfLv7EW-a4KZ_Q

[remote kiln]

hope he enjoys some 40 frames probably on most games today

[vocal tusk]

Obviously not visible in a video, but they also said that due to high CPU usage, their input would also randomly stop working

[sullen violet]

Rip

[remote kiln]

Alan wake 2 will absolutely destroy that type of config as will black myth wukong

[sullen violet]

How long 9700k gonna survive

[remote kiln]

nevermind the new star wars

[vocal tusk]

9700k was obsolete when it launched

[sullen violet]

Lagging when hovering over raytracing options

10fps

[remote kiln]

probably

[sullen violet]

When it launched?

[oblique vigil]

I could have sworn my Bizon killed an enemy with one bullet

Or was it my panic knife that did it?

[remote kiln]

yeah it was vaporware when it launched

nothing changed to today

[oblique vigil]

Because it said [PP-29]

[remote kiln]

the 9th gen series was all a scam except for the 9900k

all gimped in their own way

[sullen violet]

Also again, i did reply too your statement in mind, not spesific cpu as an example. Kind of suprised the 9700k this bad also. @vocal tusk

[vocal tusk]

It was an experiment by Intel, to see how much they could segment and cut up their prodct tiers

[sullen violet]

🤡

[remote kiln]

^

which is why 10th gen is radically better lol

[vocal tusk]

Yeah, when it launched I always advised everyone talking about it to stay away. It was very obviously not going to age well

In an era (the last 4 years) where even consoles have 8c/16t...a CPU with only 8t is not going to do well

[sullen violet]

This made me want to test my cpu on low graphics see how much frames it can push out in that game

Some dlss too, to making extra challenging 😛

[vocal tusk]

IIRC, you will get even higher frames on 2042 with AMD GPUs.

Like 7900 XTX will get for some reason a lot more than a 4090

[remote kiln]

it wont

[vocal tusk]

I have seen it with my own eyes

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sullen violet]

Interesting, but i forgot to mention i didn't use ray tracing earlier

[remote kiln]

it only does because AMD cards perform better in CPU limited situations that's all

card for card they're not close though

[vocal tusk]

I have just seen some really odd performance coming from the 7900XTX in 2042. I want to borrow one from a friend to test it myself vs my 4090

[remote kiln]

what it's exposing is that almost no processors except the absolute top can utilise the 4090 to it's full extent

[vocal tusk]

Even 9750X3D can have occasions where you are CPU limited on this game TBH

[sullen violet]

Without dlss low settings

[remote kiln]

you can get the same behaviour for example a 6800xt can outperform a 4070 if you run some ancient processor like a 6th gen

just the driver overhead on NV more or less

[dire hawk]

I had a xeon E5 2667 v4 (8c 16t from 2016~) and it ran fine, it's 16 thread tho

[vocal tusk]

What is the GPU here?

[sullen violet]

Ultra performance dlss

[sullen violet]

4070ts

[vocal tusk]

looks like 40 series, but cant tell fully

Ah, cool!

[sullen violet]

[dire hawk]

at 8k it's great, at 8k

[vocal tusk]

Do you get the exact same performance, but less W usage and heat of you power limit your GPU like I do?

[spare quest]

Isnt 2042 still using dlss 2.5

[dire hawk]

it looks alrightish

[vocal tusk]

You can update DLSS yourself

[sullen violet]

🤷

[dire hawk]

much worse than 3.1 or whatever version is the latest but dlss 2.5 look fine, I guess

[vocal tusk]

Do you have the Nvidia app installed?

[oblique vigil]

The PKP is pretty good

[sullen violet]

nope

[vocal tusk]

kk, cool. Its just easy to set power limit with that app

[oblique vigil]

What? It is, isn't it

[spare quest]

3.0 won‘t work with 2042 afaik

[vocal tusk]

3.0 and newer of course will

[dire hawk]

it won't yeah

[remote kiln]

yes it will

[vocal tusk]

People confuse DLSS version and Nvidia marketting 3.5 terms

[sullen violet]

Havent touched anything

Also gz @remote kiln saw you hit the news

[dire hawk]

3.0 is Frame Generation, 3.5 is actual DLSS

[vocal tusk]

It is not

[remote kiln]

^

[remote kiln]

yeah it's still strange tbh

how popular it is it's way outside my purview

[sullen violet]

Seems like a convenient tool tbh

[remote kiln]

it's far from done, this is just the start

I wasn't expecting this sort of reception though

it's been v positive, just going to be a hassle to maintain

[oblique vigil]

What's the best gun for destroying aircraft.

[sullen violet]

Rocket gun

[dire hawk]

what's DLSS 3.5 then? I'm genuinely curious

[remote kiln]

3.5 is just the number for the DLSS version

[oblique vigil]

Which category is it in

[sullen violet]

I am sure you'll manage it, dont you think

[remote kiln]

there is no number it won't work with, they just include features with them

[spare quest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/15f6rmt/dlss_has_been_updated_from_v25_to_v31/ look what totalfps wrote or is this outdated

[sullen violet]

It is press button rocket fly in air then big explosion

[vocal tusk]

People should try to learn that the terms nvidia uses in their marketting terminology (DLSS 3 frame gen, DLSS 3.5 Ray Reconstruction) are just buzzwords they use to enter the mindshare of the general public. Software versioning and these buzzwords are entirely separate.

Here is the version of DLSS BF2042 is using for me currently (3.7.10.0)

[remote kiln]

maybe, idk, right now I'm bottlenecked by time to push out stuff

[oblique vigil]

Ahhhhh I get it now

[remote kiln]

no he's talking about the 3.1 feature stack

[spare quest]

oh

[dire hawk]

if a game supports less than DLSS 2.0, you can't upgrade it to DLSS 2.0 or higher because it's not even the same tech/AI Algorithm or whatever

[remote kiln]

yes

[sullen violet]

Jokes a side though, probably rocket launchers. Doubt the rifles etc... does much damage

[remote kiln]

<2 is non upgradable

the popularity of the tool is kinda too much rn I wanted a free weekend, I'll get back to the messages on monday

142 stars on the repo fml

doubled in 24h

[vocal tusk]

TBH, youre better off to ignore 99.99% of messages and just develop as you always intended.

[remote kiln]

not an option unfortunately, I need user feedback

[vocal tusk]

If people want to open issues, let them...and see to these issues in due time

[remote kiln]

mainly to identify which games break and some other things

I've got big plans for it but it's going to take well time

[sullen violet]

Without feedback it will be a slow death to it Negative feedback always best. Also nice to hear good things

[vocal tusk]

True, but burning yourself out trying to fix everything will also be slow death

[sullen violet]

Yeah

[dire hawk]

wait Deco is the actual developer of DLSS Swapper ?

[remote kiln]

I won't burn myself out, it's just mainly feature integrations

[dire hawk]

or are we talking about something else ?

[remote kiln]

updater not swapper

[dire hawk]

oh okay

[remote kiln]

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/100263/dlss-updater-is-free-tool-that-updates-all-games-to-the-latest-version/index.html

[dire hawk]

so you're telling me it works on any game higher than 2.0 ?

I'll definitely check it out

[remote kiln]

yes

well

[dire hawk]

can it get you banned ?

my last question, promised

[remote kiln]

no, what it might do is block DLSS on some anticheat games

I'm working to identify and whitelist them over time

[dire hawk]

🫡

[remote kiln]

you can force them in that case with dlsstweaks, it's out the purview of my tool rn

I've had some engineers reach out with some ideas but it's a one man operation thus far

next week will have support for the frame generation dll and ray reconstruction, bigger things will take longer

[dire hawk]

Nice !

[remote kiln]

I'm not used to this sort of reception it's kinda eerie tbh

[vocal tusk]

At least you have social skills and know how to deal with general public haha

[remote kiln]

they'd kill me if I didn't lmao, I'm glad I didn't publish my discord though

[vocal tusk]

the tool being easy to use and almost idiot proof is also a pretty great thing

[remote kiln]

yeah its engineered to be "even an idiot" can use it

[dire hawk]

I don't if it's that similar but it's a bit like when you're a content creator and people will yell at you/insult for the slightest mistakes or just because they don't have the same opinion as you

[remote kiln]

I'm pretty happy with the software architecture, saves a lot of hassle

[vocal tusk]

I say "Almost" as regardless of how well you make it, nothing can ever be totally idiot proof 😄

[remote kiln]

I have had negative feedback, which is fine, I just ignore it mostly unless it's valid criticism/a bug etc

[dire hawk]

but anyway good job ! I would have no idea where to even start to develop that sort of software (or any software tbh :p)

[remote kiln]

the software is very scalable automatic updates saves a whole lot of "go here to download xyz thing" when it just does it itself and a lot of other things

[remote kiln]

tbh the logic is very manual heavy engineering

[vocal tusk]

Do you have a restore original ability?

[remote kiln]

even I don't understand half of it truthfully

[dire hawk]

hmm "manual heavy engineering", I see, hmm

[remote kiln]

as of now not yet, I'm planning on a soft restore option, it's a bit tricky to do in a elegant way

I want to maintain interoperability with DLSS swapper so I'll use the same formatting scheme

[sullen violet]

Not too be that guy but i think ideally this conversation turned into #technology . I'll admit i am at some fault for this

[vocal tusk]

Functionally im guessing it would entail backing up any files being replaced, and essentially saving the location they came from in the same folder as the function is being executed from

[dire hawk]

fair enough

[sullen violet]

Personally off topic is fine unless it goes full blown off topic

[remote kiln]

ill respond in the other channel since it's heavy logic based

[stone cradle]

FSR updater when

[remote kiln]

never

[stone cradle]

[spare quest]

thanks for this btw had some outdated stuff

even 2042 with dlss doesnt look that blurry anymore

[remote kiln]

np

[clever axle]

James Hetfield

[tacit crown]

Kinda stupid that the strife doesn’t have the 1.25 thermal

[fiery shoal]

blows my mind i could not play a bf game (or similar fps) for months and still top leaderboard, people really are just that bad

[tame crow]

your stats to the right of the k/d are not that impressive ngl

barely a revive

barely a resupply or repair

no spotting happening

[tawny carbon]

KD isnt what to look forward to btw

[tame crow]

like the whole top of nyphons team (including nyphon) are nothing compared to the teamwork at the top of the opposition team

cod v battlefield in a screenshot lol

[tawny carbon]

Bruh, it’s just a casual game

[tame crow]

ptfo

[tawny carbon]

Let it be and move on already

[tame crow]

cant complain about others without helping team

i am helping

[tawny carbon]

I’ll let you be in your special world

[tame crow]

lol cope

what i am saying is pretty standard for bf champ

the only time you can call your team bad is if you are supporting them with revives/resupplies/repairs/spots

[pearl ridge]

How the hell did you manage to go all that way and only have two assists

Do you just... not spot?

[tame crow]

yea some people on here say they are not going to spot because nobody else does lol

[fiery shoal]

I was trying to cap the 3 other points my teammates weren’t at. 80% of them were on one point only so I went recon and tried to cap other points solo.

[fiery shoal]

Yes that’s what I did but solo because rest of team wanted to hold 1 point only and never move from it. We lost by like 400 points on infantry conquest

[tame crow]

where spots?

you are talking to a guy who in games before has put up 50 across assists, revives, resupply/repairs

the whole top of your team were bad tho in those areas

[fiery shoal]

Cool?

[tame crow]

yea a cool team player. some support stats trust me it can lift some deadweights up.

i had a game the other day where we turned it by spots

[fiery shoal]

It’s a casual game until the person you don’t like doesn’t have great stats across the board

[tame crow]

no just spot is all i am saying

spotting is key

[fiery shoal]

If you think so

[tame crow]

i dont care about the casual game excuse, it doesnt hold water with me. i play competitively monopoly with my family, idc what game it is i am putting in effort if i am putting in the time

[fiery shoal]

Post your stats then

[tame crow]

oh but i thought it was a casual game lmao

which is it?

[fiery shoal]

Not for you so you could post your stats to back up your stance

[tame crow]

i dont need to do anything to back up my stance on spotting lmao..... it just makes sense to give intel to your team

like what are you even saying????? lol

spotting ez too, super simple

seriously just add it to the mechanics of your reg gameplay and it becomes 2nd nature fr

[patent pivot]

You sound like a hardcore esport ranked player

[tame crow]

it is not about esport. it is just a good courtesy to give intel to team members

i mean game mechanics wise it is a crucial part of game but then it is also nice to give folks aheads up on enemy positions isn't it?

idk why people dont want to spot lmao.... like maybe bf not game for you if you cant do a basic press to spot lol

[patent pivot]

Even I really need bots in 3 to spot

[tame crow]

also asking people to spot is not asking them to play like some cracked fiend on the game

but anyways it is hard when SP attitudes infect MP experiences but it is what it is. at least my support stats be hittin the mark.

[patent pivot]

I just want an excellent solo mode in BF

[tame crow]

just know if i was your squad mate you are getting the ressurection hella quick, resupplied ad naseaum, vehicle repaired mechanic pro and i am gonna show you where the tangoes are

free of charge

[tame crow]

i mean the ai is starting to come along

[patent pivot]

In this game? No

[tame crow]

i mean generally in the gaming space. i think it will get there over time.

one benefit of the ai obsession is we might get some decent bots

[patent pivot]

Right now. I'm waiting for WR

To be available for BF4

[tame crow]

oh yea you the guy who plays VU a lot right?

[patent pivot]

Yes

VU is quite okay

Has some flaws here and there

But better than nothing

Deserting bf3

[tame crow]

yea i played VU awhile ago just to get some BF3 in

it was pretty fun but the bots were hella basic lol

[patent pivot]

Of course it is!

The whole AI core of the mod uses linear path

[tame crow]

i had the benefit where i had 8 mates on with me so we just split across the teams for some more spicy times lol

[patent pivot]

No fancy nav mesh

That's what holding back the mod

[tame crow]

yea fr

coz they just beeline for the obj the same ways

[patent pivot]

And you wonder why they suck at driving vehicles

That's why

[tame crow]

yea lol

[patent pivot]

I pray WR bots will be much more advanced

And is capable of doing almost everything

[tame crow]

they have been dev on that for awhile tho lol

they taking their time lol

big job

[patent pivot]

Worth it

[tame crow]

hey to keep locker alive haha i love that meatgrinder

[patent pivot]

Fulfill what VU failed

[patent pivot]

Bruh. Locker is popular enough

Give other underrated maps and game modes a chance

[tame crow]

oh i mean when bf4 servers eventually go

i mean yea right now you can get locker servers ez haha

[patent pivot]

That doesn't impact me

All I care about is pve

[vital quail]

Crazy to play a 20 minute match with half the enemy team being bots and people can't even get to 20 kills

[naive ember]

Bots are OP

[tame crow]

no they arent really lol

[tame crow]

fr i mean you can farm the bots

[vital quail]

Had 103 kills and next highest on my team was 29 and they said I was hacking 💀

Each team had half bots, not my fault people are too scared to shoot bots

[pearl ridge]

Bots are usually not much trouble, but they become a real bitch in numbers

They’re programmed so their first couple of bursts will miss, but then they start hitting, and hard

Some of their weapons, especially the PKP and SVK, hit like trucks

And if they get in vehicle gunner seats, they’ll rip you to bits without second thought

Bots don’t fight smart, but they’re downright unrelenting

[pine roost]

One reason why I don’t enjoy fighting them

You beating them isn’t down to strategy, just percentage chance

[pearl ridge]

Stadium never should have even been conceptualised

Complete waste of time and resources

Fucking awful map

Ughhh it’s like everyone today is going out of their way to fight in the most annoying ways possible

[blazing pelican]

Ps Squads ?

[naive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/wrong-drumpf-trump-stupid-gif-6220235

[pearl ridge]

Don't ever make me look at that fuck's head-mounted anal cavity again

[naive ember]

He's right though

Stadium is the best map

[pearl ridge]

It is literally the worst map in the entire series

The fucking spawns can shoot at each other, both indoors and out

The interior corridor is shithouse and makes Redacted look spacious

[naive ember]

No they can't stop lying

[pearl ridge]

The outside points are stupidly open

[naive ember]

Nothing wrong with that being open

I'm grateful they added one last Map and it's a classic

[pearl ridge]

You are so objectively wrong it's not even funny

When I say stupidly open I mean snipers don't even have to so much as leave their spawns to have free range

They don't have to take high ground to see over obstacles because there are no obstacles.

[tawny carbon]

Bro don’t play battlefield enough

[naive ember]

You don't play much 2042 do you?

[tawny carbon]

Bro live and breath metro and never see the light from the outside of the building

[pearl ridge]

We had three CQC maps in a row and they're all horseshit

Because I guess DICE outsourced their level design to someone even more incompetent than themselves

[tawny carbon]

The game changed to be build around 64p later on, they didn’t like 128p

[pearl ridge]

Literally the only map in the game that approaches the quality of those in previous games is Spearhead

And the problems with that mostly stem from 2042's stupid vehicle drop system

Because morons are always dropping our armour on top of the factories and wasting them because they can't hit jack and shit from up there

[tawny carbon]

That’s not a 2042 vehicle system problem, that’s the player base fault

[oblique vigil]

The world if LATV4s had parachutes:

[fiery solar]

https://tenor.com/view/future-ram-ranch-gif-18120355

[weak vector]

No, the skins they have are OP. I want those skins so much

And by OP, I mean dangerously amazing compared to the shit we have in-game

[fiery solar]

fuhhhk yeah

[stone cradle]

[gleaming plover]

Any body have clan I can join

[weak vector]

how did that even happen lol

[fiery solar]

i have this weird camera glitch sometimes when interacting with any vehicle. i got out of my jet because the glitch happened again and wingsuited as soon as i got out and this happened

[chilly pike]

Add me (Xbox) username : dean#3700
Anyone want to play now ?

[weak vector]

sometimes, bugs make Battlefield moments better xD

It's like back in BF3, where they had a bug where your character's neck would extend SUPER long while prone

[tidal nimbus]

What’s the most populated battlefield game rn

Bf 4?

[naive ember]

2042

[tidal nimbus]

It kinda ass tho

[naive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-stare-100-yard-stare-meme-gif-251436459491629941

[patent pivot]

By toxic players and servers? Absolutely

Game itself? Nah it's great

[oblique vigil]

People at the bottom of the leaderboard saying “Trash” after team loses

[patent pivot]

And that's why I'm waiting on WR to come out for the game

[oblique vigil]

What’s that

[patent pivot]

Warsaw revamped

A mod project for the game

[uneven ibex]

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[sullen violet]

Only in battlefield 0:22

[hoary sentinel]

its so zoomed in

[tidal nimbus]

Nah the problem isn’t the gameplay

It takes me 15 minutes to find a lobby

[patent pivot]

dont use quick match

nevertheless

[tidal nimbus]

I did every thing

[patent pivot]

change region

?

[tidal nimbus]

It puts me in lobbies with “waiting for players 1/64”

[tidal nimbus]

Ig I’ll try that tomorrow

What’s the most populated game mode

[patent pivot]

1. conquest
2. rush
3. TDM (maybe)

stil

that suckss ass

[tidal nimbus]

Feel like this game works for people who desperately want it to

[patent pivot]

and thats why i decided to stop playing the game and wait for WR to come out

[tidal nimbus]

Besides bf 2042 what’s good

Servers, players, gameplay the whole bunch

[patent pivot]

what, 4?

[tidal nimbus]

I see