battlefield-2042

[queen crown]

it was great to use it with the wrapped suppressor but after those got nerf I stopped using it

[torpid wadi]

Aks74u

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

It just sucks in general

But it looks good and I’m a firm believer in fashion over function

[patent pivot]

I'm a 412 rex user

[uneven ibex]

Posted

Battlefield (@Battlefield) ✧

Weapons on the #Battlefield are about to feel more unique and powerful with the improved Visual Weapon Recoil system coming in S7.

🔫 A new range of recoil animations to help you feel the difference between different weapons. For example, a sharp Assault Rifle, and a punchy LMG.

𝕏 | 🎬1 · Mar 6, 2024, 4:00 PM

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[patent pivot]

Same

Bloody 44 can't even one shot

Which I think is the point

Or at least drop hp below 10

[pine roost]

I see recoil. God please don’t go too far

okay, so it's just more rotation in weapon models. Although it does seem to add more dot shake

not much though

Does this embed it I wonder

no

[frozen loom]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventure-shonen-jump-machine-gun-tommygun-joseph-joestar-gif-24178648

[vocal tusk]

BOT grind for weapons is too easy to not do, for how much better weapons get with later unlocks. Just do solo/co-op breakthrough on stranded and youll hgave enough kills for all unlocks in 2/3 rounds.

[glossy lava]

FUCKING FINALLY VISUAL RECOIL

A MIRACLE

[vocal tusk]

I dont think this means spread is going away

Or maybe im mistaken

[uneven ibex]

Posted

Battlefield Comms (@BattlefieldComm) ✧

As we get closer to the reveal of Season 7 for #Battlefield2042, we wanted to begin touching upon some key gameplay changes set to take place!

First up is Weapon Recoil, take a look below to see how Assault Rifles, SMGs and LMGs will be feeling different in the upcoming Season.

𝕏 · Mar 6, 2024, 4:14 PM

[vocal tusk]

If they are removing spread for weapon specific recoil/patterns...that indeed is a big change

[patent pivot]

Can't even make things easier when team switch doesn't exist

[vocal tusk]

What relevance does this have to my comment

[patent pivot]

I grind on redacted

Things end too fast as attacker

[pine roost]

Nah it’ll purely be model rotation

And fortunately you can still see where you are shooting

Think back to the subtle camera rotations they did a little while ago

[chilly jacinth]

seems like your camera now "follows" the recoil

cant really tell how different this will feel

[vocal tusk]

True, its too hard to know how it will work/feel from a video

[olive horizon]

How can i send videos

[chilly jacinth]

step 1

send

step 2

done

[vocal tusk]

You cant if you mean file sharing. Only server boosters, or regulars can send/share files

[chilly jacinth]

cant you still send

but you dont get any embed

[amber kelp]

maybe the gunplay wont feel more dated than battlefield 3

[dusty sparrow]

@viscid boneWhen is the reveal though

Eller ska jag ta de på svenska?

[naive quiver]

another dok

https://tenor.com/view/duck-yeah-gif-20435370

[cosmic dragon]

new weapon changes look good

[wanton mural]

New recoil is kinda litty

[chilly jacinth]

It's not as obnoxious as cod

[pine roost]

I don't see much wrong with it from the offset, but when it's in our hands will be the real test

[chilly jacinth]

So that's nice atleast

[pine roost]

Yeah my heart skipped a beat when I saw that post, but I'm glad they've found an inbetween

Although if recoil still stays the same functionally it shouldn't cause any issue

although total did say they may be using this as a balancin technique

[patent pivot]

Recoil in 3 or 4 feels good

2042 feels non-existent

[amber kelp]

an in between isnt exactly hard, 2042 has some of the stiffest feeling guns in the franchise

[royal swan]

W update, gun feels more gun

[amber kelp]

well we wont know that until we actually get our hands on it

It could just make it seem like theres more spread like what happened with BF1's gun shake

[royal swan]

I think the visual does enough on how we would expect it

[amber kelp]

its the visual on 2 guns and it seperated from our actions.

[royal swan]

There were three lmg, ar, and smg

[amber kelp]

ah theres a 3rd video.

still anything may be better than launch anims I suppose

[royal swan]

https://vxtwitter.com/battlefieldcomm/status/1765410756420313431?s=46&t=fuGYL00LkSO5VymYKy1E3A

It looks less smoother

Barely

[amber kelp]

wait a minute why does the second video have more real bullet spread?

compare the bullet holes in the before and after

the second one has more SIPS wtf. Is it just luck or do these anims somehow effect the bullet trajectory

[remote kiln]

no it's just luck

spread is not static it is random

they are broadly the same

[amber kelp]

No theyre not. They both have the same max spread, but the second one starts that spread much faster.
Which may still be luck

[remote kiln]

yes it's possible that there have been other adjustments outside e.g. balance but there's nothing inherently different here between boths spread pattern

if the magazine is different post update this will influence the spread behaviour

[amber kelp]

tbh I kinda hope so the lazer beam smgs feel like ass

[amber kelp]

good catch.

[royal swan]

Man smgs were done dirty

[small eagle]

lmg shoots a bit slower as well in the video

[royal swan]

You're shooting bullet sponges with smgs, they are so dogshit

[torpid moon]

Any particular reason I'm not getting spots anymore with Paik? I've tried all modes now

[royal swan]

When was the last time you used paik

[remote kiln]

Paik hasn't awarded spot assists for wall scans for ages

[amber kelp]

Im gonna make my most controversial take: pdws dont really have a place in modern battlefield games.
Carbines just fill that niche better, are more fun to use, and are much more common in modern militaries. Few militaries even use PDWs or SMGs in the infantry anymore, these days its just Germany and a couple others. . Pdws have to be either dogshit or buffed to silly degrees to make them work. They should be like the tanker weapons in BF1 or something.

[dusty sparrow]

What is the point of yxtwitter even?

[remote kiln]

carbines and pdws have always been in the they don't have a identity era since they existed in 4

[torpid moon]

What do you mean? I was getting regular spots until yesterday when they removed the season thing

[royal swan]

That is indeed the most controversial take

[torpid moon]

When the game got back to "vanilla" I stopped getting spots.
I've only been playing for a couple of weeks too

[royal swan]

That's more hot than saying shotguns shouldn't be in the game or any game

[remote kiln]

yes you don't get spot awards, event criteria and that aren't the same, paik does not grant spot assists

[amber kelp]

Well yes but no. Carbines only don't have an identity in 4 when playing assault. For the rest carbines are a fun, viable option.
I see 0 reason to run PDWs in 4 ever when I can run a Carbine. Theyre still great in those close spots and Im not handicapped to cqc

[torpid moon]

Then how am I going to get her to full mastery?

[remote kiln]

by killing people lol

like a normal person

[remote kiln]

yes but it doesn't also help they were generally subpar and overshadowed by ARs in just raw power, arguably deliberate in 4 either, so they generally didn't have any niche in the assault class

[royal swan]

That will go crazy out of context

[torpid moon]

I'm talking about the mastery that requires enemies spotted with the scanner and eagle eyed trait

[patent pivot]

Remember when carbine existed

[torpid moon]

Aren't those things linked?

[royal swan]

They still do, they just had a gun gender change, they are either smgs or ars.

[amber kelp]

so they generally didn't have any niche in the assault class
Its almost like theyre better as the engineer exclusive weapon. Hmm

[remote kiln]

engineer weapons were ass though that's why

[amber kelp]

wetching someone call an AK74 U an smg makes me physically ill

[royal swan]

Am40 is a carbine, then made a assault rifle

[amber kelp]

at least there is like, some conceptual overlap there.

[torpid moon]

Are you sure we're talking about the same thing?

[cyan veldt]

https://x.com/Vladno1pilot/status/1765420054445695401?s=20

[amber kelp]

why are they going on about this new coalition as if theyre going to be playable?
We all know it will be US v Russia

[timid depot]

this but actually

[quiet shell]

All this lore teasing of factions clashing. But in the end it'll always be US vs RU but not even their actual militaries

[lilac dust]

Arica harbor is shown in the gameplay changes video. Foreshadowing that one of the season 7 maps will be arica harbor reskin

[royal swan]

Teasing skins

More skins

[amber kelp]

always more skins

[olive horizon]

No

[chilly jacinth]

yes

[hardy crest]

What do u think about new recoil

[olive horizon]

Recoil

[lilac dust]

Recoil

[dusty sparrow]

Recon

[amber star]

Good change. The recoil felt so goofy like an amateur animator made it.

Completely unimmersive

[amber kelp]

the more i think on it the more I question if recoil has anything to do with 2042's stiff gunplay
BF4 feels way more smooth and its recoil looks like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1BC7eH2bjw

[remote kiln]

lot of bf4's smoothness is due to the camera work the game has

[amber kelp]

interesting. What do you mean?

[remote kiln]

the game has a lot of 'visual' attributes that folk may not immediately notice that contribute to how the game feels in relation to how the camera reacts to the gunplay of the player model, for example the ADS transitions for weapons is a lot fluid whereas in 2042 it transitions faster, how the weapon model looks during sprinting/walking is more visible in 4 than 2042 which causes the core centre point the person looks at to deviate to the weapon itself, it's a lot of these subtle design choices which have a big influence on how people perceive a game's gunplay

[calm bison]

I do like that the recoil animations look a bit less refined

I know that these changes aren’t really necessary and are long overdue

But I’d rather them at least be here now instead of never

[remote kiln]

there's also a subtle vignette effect to give off the impression of atmosphere to the camera, etc

[vocal tusk]

My main issue with recoil ATM, is that camera does a good job of following the reticle on upward recoil, but when your weapon drops after recoil, the camera and reticle de-sync. I wonder will this change/fix that.

[remote kiln]

it'll probably mask it more than anything because it's not tightly linked anymore

[amber kelp]

thats super interesting. Do you have experience in animation cause I would not have picked up on some of these differences.

[vocal tusk]

You can extremely notice it in the game ATM by firing an LMG uncontrolled, then stop firing once peak recoil has been reached and it resets

The camera lags behind on the drop, where as before changes last season, it lagged behind with both recoil and camera reset after recoil

[remote kiln]

I have read and listened to way too many interviews DICE have had over the years in relation to the games where they detail their design methodology, a lot of it is going on a decade or more old especially with 3/4, but yeah it's done that way so players don't notice but feel immersed, if they were to notice it would take them out of that, and vice versa

[amber kelp]

Ill have to dig those up some time

[remote kiln]

that's arguably the trickiest part with making the player feel immersed, trying to trigger subconscious behaviour but in a way that isn't so explicit to drag them out

call of duty does it well with their weapon design as they take the more literal, soldier route with how the gun feels, that takes a lot more effort

[amber kelp]

well its not just immersion, 4 guns just feel better to shoot than 42

[remote kiln]

unfortunately yeah that part of 2042 was non existent which is why I presume DICE have been trying to fix for the last few seasons

one part of a shooter is critical, the game structure mechanics itself, the second is how a player feels in regards to being in the game, if one is good and the other sucks it causes a feeling of something is off to occur

[amber kelp]

Im not sure either are good rn

[slate jolt]

Interesting new weapon recoil

[remote kiln]

I mean for 2042's case the game was just that bad at launch that some of it will never be fixed with the first, they can do a lot with the second though to make up for it

if they tried to fix the games structural problems it wouldnt even feel like the game it is now

[plain meadow]

ayo bois

what's the new meta for weapons atm

[neat garnet]

Nothin’

[plain meadow]

damn

[slate jolt]

Damm

[neat garnet]

PP20 is always meta tho

[remote kiln]

if the new weapon leaks are true the meta will be obvious in the next season

[slate jolt]

Interesting

[plain meadow]

you mean the new zooka?

true

[slate jolt]

Mp7 as a new weapon

[remote kiln]

nah, primary weapons

[plain meadow]

hmm

yeah.

[amber kelp]

2042 weapon stats are usually nonsense compared to the stats in 4 and 1, so it might not.

[plain meadow]

if it's like vhx

at launch

[remote kiln]

it's been discussed before but when you have half the maps being as big as the Atlantic ocean and the other half being like older games it causes a massive warping in how the guns deal damage

[slate jolt]

For sure the new season arrives tomorrow.

[quaint vector]

[fiery shoal]

chat always gives me a chuckle whenever there are changes to the game

[elder meteor]

is easter egg over?

[amber kelp]

no its not just that. 4 and 1 had a consistency to them. If weapons were the same type and caliber they had the same damage curve, if weapons were bullpups they consistently had more recoil & slower reloads but better hipfire, etc

[drowsy shuttle]

just wait for the new(s) OP weapon(s) in the upcoming season

[plain meadow]

u right

[drowsy shuttle]

compound bow and tomahawk axe throws would be really fun additions to the game.

[patent path]

new visual recoil looks amazing

[torpid wadi]

Aye looks nice

[bitter mulch]

Yeah, hope it feels better too

[torpid wadi]

Aye I agree with that

Some of the guns feel terrible to use

[bitter mulch]

It feels too arcade

Its like playing the old cods

[drowsy shuttle]

yep, this is definitely a step into the right direction to make the game feels less arcady

but lets wait and see how it feels in the game, but looks nice

[bitter mulch]

Exactly

[calm bison]

Step in the right direction for guns that feel 'weighty'

[patent path]

yeah, while the animations are already good, there's currently barely any visual recoil, guns just feel not exciting to shoot

[bright canopy]

Meanwhile streamers getting mad about the recoil changes

[vocal tusk]

It all depends on what the change actually is.

** Good change** - If we get visual recoil, but recoil matches where your bullets go (Instead of random spread)

Irrelevant change - If we get visual recoil, but its just more gun shaking, with no bearing on control or weapon readability

[bright canopy]

I don't know man, I looked at the clips and the reticles seemed to be still perfectly aligned

The gun just animates more

If you suddenly can't hit anything in S7 then idk it's a you issue

Gun shoot where point

I assume it'll make shooting an M5A3 and a SFAR actually feel noticeably different

instead of just fast dakka vs slow thunk thunk

[wicked shell]

I don't want to overstate or overhype but I'm really excited for you guys to play it and try all the weapon and sight combinations :)

[bright canopy]

oh gladly

and don't listen to people being mad about it, it';s like they haven't even watched the videos

Some people hear "visual recoil" and think it basically moves your entire gun around randomly now

Doesn't look like it at all

[slate jolt]

I'm capable of throwing three handfuls at my desk for finally.
But it turns out that I break my hand
So I don't.

[amber kelp]

Ill be honest: BFV's spread to recoil feels terrible. Yeah its more accurate but it results in the gun making very unnatural, jerky movements, especially on low recoil weapons like smgs.

[bright canopy]

I like gunplay in BF V but agreed

[wicked shell]

(Currently, for example, when using a scope it kind of overrides certain characteristics of the gun's movement and recoil - so M5 and SFAR with the same scope do feel quite similar - but with this change, yes, those differences between weapons will be more present regardless of which scope you are using)

[pine roost]

Well it’s not irrelevant if the latter is true. Just like how after the infantry movement camera changes people came here and said it felt better, despite having no bearing on gameplay. If it can provide something to those who feel the ‘weight’ is lacking at the moment, without taking away from the clarity of the sight picture now, it’s a win win

[bright canopy]

When the point of aim decouples from center screen in BF V... ehhhh

[amber kelp]

StoR doesnt even remove randomness. Unless you are a hacker or the flash youre not going to conteract spread to recoil much more than regular spread

[slate jolt]

Very true

[amber kelp]

I dont even bother ADSing with smgs half the time cause it feels that bad to use.

[pine roost]

So are these changes coming with the intent to act as an additional method of weapon balancing? While the physical recoil systems won’t change, the visual effects can have an impact if you aren’t honed in on aiming screen centre. Will certain weapons be given higher shake values in an attempt to make them less potent?

From that tiny clip, it looks like additional reticle shake is only minor, which is good, but I’m just curious as to how far this shake goes on other weapons.

[vocal tusk]

Id imagine they want weapons to feel /behave like actual weapons, and not airsoft guns. (As is the case now)

Ill personally wait and see how it feels, and air grievances if its bad once its in my hands.

[mental delta]

Here's the deal, I give you 50€ by PayPal and you give me season 7 infos

This is fair trade to me

[vocal tusk]

Players absolutely will complain about this ("Why my 4x scoped SFAR no longer a laser cannon!!!!"), when in reality this change could have potential to further deepen weapon pool feeling/variety.

[remote kiln]

it has things, you now owe me money

[naive quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-a-scam-david-acosta-evil-the-demon-of-memes-its-fraud-gif-26018518

[mental delta]

That's unfair, you tricked me

[lucid goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/wyaking-gif-9712475764034023502

[wicked shell]

I don't want to give too many specifics, but yes, that has definitely been part of the intent when fine-tuning the weapons - for example when looking at DMRs, even with technically the same degrees of maximum spread/recoil, the way they shake and move between shots can affect how effective they are, so you can for sure affect their performance like that. Or rather, make it require more skill to reach the performance ceiling :)
Part of the intention has also been to have more differences between weapons, and for example reticle shake can be a bit different too. Some weapons might bob more up and down around the reticle but rotate less, others be more stable pitch-wise but shake or rotate more, etc. So personal preference for this kind of thing could be a bigger factor now when picking a loadout

[amber kelp]

Or rather, make it require more skill to reach the performance ceiling
what skill is involved with dealing with screen shake?

[lyric snow]

they should remove recoil

[amber kelp]

[remote kiln]

I do not agree with using visual recoil as a means of "enhancing" a weapons characteristics, this should be handled through innate attributes that the weapon has like recoil, it mostly serves as a distraction for gunplay engagement

yes it can be used to distinguish weapons of the same category from one another in terms of being used but it's artificial

[lyric snow]

fr remove recoil

[quiet shell]

So to make a impromptu example, the DM7 would be a preferred pick for some because it has better readable recoil vs say the G428?

[plush hollow]

are they doing any vehicle changes for S7?

[amber kelp]

My concern is that visual weapon shake can cause players to think there is more spread then there really is.

[amber star]

I’m honestly looking forward to the recoil. The old animations were super rigid and not immersive at all.

[vocal tusk]

Can you confirm/deny that this change is a pure change to visual recoil only. AKA which of these is true:

1. There is simply going to be more recoil shown, but where the bullets go wont match where your weapon/reticle is looking at.

Or

2. There will be more visual recoil, but your bullets will always go where your reticle/weapon is aiming at.

[wicked shell]

you will have to trust me on that, I can guarantee you when I remove all visual interference it is way easier to shoot :P but if you don't feel a significant difference after trying the update that's alright too, the point is not really making the game way harder or anything, on the contrary. Bursting and so on should feel better

[remote kiln]

the only problem is you just need to activate a monitor crosshair and visual recoil disappears, I think this will promote the opposite of what you're hoping for

[amber star]

@wicked shell is it purely aesthetic or does it actually affect recoil? From the video it just looks like there’s more kick and sway at the stock of the gun.

[wicked shell]

it's a complicated mix of both :) It doesn't have 0% effect on where bullets go, but spread is not being removed

[vocal tusk]

Damn, well thats a shame

If thats the case I feel this will be received negatively (In my honest opinion)

[amber kelp]

so I wasnt crazy the SIPS was different in that second video

[amber star]

I’m glad we’re finally getting these changes. There were some goofy mechanics in the game at launch. Gravity was too light, no camera shake, now recoil

Tbh I still think the running and tac sprint animations are way too rigid but I think this games almost at its end so it doesn’t really matter anymore

[amber kelp]

well yes but no. If there is no skill to counteract that, then its not increasing the skill ceiling, its just flat out harder.
Which is welcome, tbh. 2042 feels too easy to beam people

[remote kiln]

are you saying that dispersion is changing to be more random effectively than the current system with continuous fire to factor in visual recoil?

[wicked shell]

I get what you mean. But we really do feel it is a major improvement :)

(gotta go to an iracing session guys will read you later)

[quaint vector]

[amber star]

I’m surprised how controversial it’s seeming to be. I was really happy to see it

[naive quiver]

major improvements

[calm bison]

Honestly I just like that the recoil animations look more human

[amber star]

Agreed

[naive quiver]

Should be remove the AI

That’s major improvements

[amber star]

I’m curious if the second map will be released mid season. Probably will be tbh

[remote kiln]

it's very easy to negate visual recoil and implementing more promotes that behaviour, I just don't agree with what's being tried here, but that's just my opinion

[calm bison]

Personally I do hope that S7 marks the beginning of bigger and more expansive seasons

Personally I’m going to hope that they can stretch this out to S10

[vocal tusk]

If as you say, this change adds more variety/consistency between weapons...aka as you say using different zoomed scopes on the same weapons has similar/the same attributes to recoil, then perhaps it will be a good thing. Will have to wait and see to judge it myself. 😄

[amber star]

It’s hard to explain but the way when you’re running (non tac sprint) and your soldier arm and gun just sways side to side with no real variation it’s pretty unimmersive

[amber star]

S10 sounds stretched. S8 wouldn’t be too far fetched

[remote kiln]

yes but none of that matters when all it takes is to activate a monitor crosshair and you can totally ignore the visual animations and have dead centre accuracy, this change will indirectly move players to these form of systems

[amber kelp]

but they did say it actually does effect where your bullets go

[vocal tusk]

To what degree we will have to wait and see

[remote kiln]

^

I do not imagine it's to a significant amount

[amber star]

I wish this game got a proper urban map. I don’t think that’s happening. I wanted something siege of Shanghai esque. (Kaleidoscope doesn’t count)

[remote kiln]

and if it's not, then it promotes removing it even more

[amber star]

Although the Chile map seems decently urban

[calm bison]

Honestly with them ramping up with seasons it’s not out of the question

S8 is definitely likely

[amber star]

Natural and organic maps made a ton of sense in the last 2 BF games. Not in 2042. In 2042 it just seems lazier map making because it’s obviously less work.

[calm bison]

With the addition of the PAC to the game I don’t think they’re just gonna cut the content short

[amber kelp]

ramping up with seasons
it has been 5 months since the last season

[amber kelp]

This is just a way to sell skins.
Theyre not adding a new faction

[amber star]

Is it really gonna be a new faction? Tbh I am betting on the same old themed skins for existing factions.

[remote kiln]

we don't know

[calm bison]

We will just have to wait and see

[amber kelp]

We know through the innate human ability of common sense

a new faction doesnt even make sense, there is very little difference between in game factions

[amber star]

The higher ups at EA making the decisions seem to counter basic common sense with their choices

[remote kiln]

they continue to support this game, so that's not true

[vocal tusk]

Highly doubtful there will be a new faction. As said above, lets use common sense. There will be 2 factions (Visually only), same as all past seasons. Skins for specialists based on those factions.

[amber star]

Likely out of desperation for the franchise

[amber kelp]

^

[amber star]

Rumors of BF6 having a BR and then cancelling respawns game only proves they have no idea what people want

[remote kiln]

why would they continue supporting a title theyre barely making money off, out of desperation?

[amber star]

Weren’t devs told to “copy what’s popular” for 2042 in early development? Pretty sure Henderson said that.

[calm bison]

Henderson is cringe

[remote kiln]

no, infact DICE themselves said the battle royale was their idea

[vocal tusk]

Almost everyone I play BF with want a "GOOD" BF BR game

[calm bison]

Dude’s reliability is the fuckin dumpster after 2042

[spare quest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/1b86kp2/maximum_sight_deviation_from_screen_center_with/

[amber star]

He was huge in leaking 2042

[remote kiln]

it's easy to say what Henderson got wrong, but people don't mention what he got right either

[amber star]

lol

They’re 6 years too late to battle royale

[amber kelp]

Henderson is a reliable leaker and got many things right about 2042 that could not be simply guesses.
The problem is people dont realize that leakers are not reporting on thing set in stone.

[amber star]

Even warzone is losing popularity

[remote kiln]

there's no time as too late lol

[amber kelp]

Lol I dont want that shit.

[calm bison]

Either way I’m in a believe it when I see it mode for this stuff

[amber kelp]

Why would I boot up BF to play a BR when I could just play a BR

[vocal tusk]

I dont play with you then obviously.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[amber star]

The fact that 2042 was going to exclusively be a BR is disturbing

[remote kiln]

because they did it before, and it was actually pretty decent

[amber kelp]

It was mid

[remote kiln]

which is why they are trying again

[amber star]

Tac sprint makes no sense. It’s clearly a feature that was copied from COD and meant for faster travel in the battle royale.

[remote kiln]

well yeah

not sure why that's very surprising

[amber star]

It’s not

No one said it’s surprising

[vocal tusk]

Tac sprint was added to make traversal across the much larger maps faster. I dont particularly like it either, but it did server a purpose.

[remote kiln]

TS is not a inherently bad feature, it is required for how big the maps in 2042 are, if it wasn't you wouldn't be reaching a single objective

[amber star]

It makes less sense not having a cooldown of some sort

[remote kiln]

you can't have a cooldown with how big the maps are

[amber star]

Having another form of sprinting that’s just slightly faster with no disadvantage makes no sense

[amber kelp]

Yeah theres little reason to do a normal sprint over a tac sprint

[bitter mulch]

TR is good, Just the animations for it are really really bad in this game

[amber star]

Only disadvantage is what, slightly slower ADS?

[amber kelp]

Im not even sure that is true tbh

[amber star]

Yea

[remote kiln]

yes, depending how you put it, it's a medium/big disadvantage

[next onyx]

It looks to feel so good dude. I'm looking forward to what else is there.

[amber star]

BF4 gunplay, BF1 atmosphere, BFV movement. Recipe for a perfect battlefield.

[remote kiln]

if you want a bf1 atmosphere enjoy the maps being entirely flat lol

[next onyx]

Faster sprint is always good.

[amber kelp]

I struggle to even notice the ads time difference, if it exists

[amber kelp]

Bro did not play bf1

[next onyx]

It's not as noticeable on an smg or an assault rifle.

[calm bison]

Nah. BFV gunplay and movement BF1 atmosphere and choose the theme

[next onyx]

But try it on an lmg.

[amber star]

BFV had good movement

[next onyx]

The sprint to fire delay is BAD.

[amber star]

crouch sprinting was actually useful

[remote kiln]

the maps in battlefield 1 are designed to be flat to enhance the atmosphere.. it's central to the theme

[amber kelp]

do you mean the color palette or the terrain?

[remote kiln]

terrain

[amber star]

You know what I mean

[calm bison]

Literally just give us BFV’s gameplay and good immersion and people will eat it up

[amber kelp]

Youre gonna tell me Monte Grappa is flat?

[calm bison]

Hell you don’t even have to make good gameplay

You can just make it feel immersive and the masses will flock to it like flies

[remote kiln]

literally just look at the map layout, the geometry of the game doesn't change that the map itself is a flat design

[amber kelp]

Or caporetto? Or Argonne? Or Amien? Or Verdun Heights. Or Soisson. Or Lupkow?
These are "flat"?

[remote kiln]

you can have cliffs and still have a flat map

so yes

[bitter mulch]

Bf1 are so much better tho. I dont like it in bf2042 when they are doing 3 lanes maps like cod

[amber kelp]

What the fuck do you mean by flat dude?

[amber star]

Flat in what sense lol

Monte grappa isn’t flat

[amber kelp]

"you can have things be flat but not flat"

[calm bison]

Ok let’s review the flat stuff then

[remote kiln]

no you're not understanding the point

[amber kelp]

Im not understanding your point. What the hell do you mean by flat

[amber star]

I think you’re confusing flat with plain

[remote kiln]

the map objectives (sectors) are placed in the map to maintain a coherent flat layout to enhance the game's atmosphere, it has nothing to do about the design of the map itself

[vocal tusk]

I think what they mean...is for example maps like Hourglass and Kaleidoscope have verticality, but are essentially a flat map.

[calm bison]

I was going to make a list of BF1 maps that were actually flat but nvm

[remote kiln]

hourglass and kal do this too

[amber kelp]

Give me an example of a not flat map. Maybe that will help

[calm bison]

Rotterdam

[amber kelp]

I want to hear it from Deco

[remote kiln]

Rotterdam, exposure, etc there's tons lol

[amber star]

What about destruction? That is not a “flat” map. I want maps to have detail, feel war torn, not just be a big open grassy field with shipping crates scattered around.

[remote kiln]

battlefield 1 did it deliberately, it's not a criticism of the game, its just a intentional game design decision

[amber kelp]

Do you mean verticality? Like having many floors on the map.

[remote kiln]

yes that can be a factor, it's more to do with elevation/a mix of both

[amber star]

Because it’s set 100 years ago. Most maps are going to be in fields because that’s where battles took place, yet they still gave the maps atmosphere and personality. 2042 was lazy.

[remote kiln]

well yeah

[next onyx]

Mix of power positions.

[remote kiln]

can't exactly not do it

[next onyx]

Rotterdam had a lot of power positions. Bridge was a big one.

[calm bison]

Yes I will die on the hill that Breakaway and Orbital are the best 2042 maps (at least in conquest)

[next onyx]

It was a constant fight for those parts too.

[amber kelp]

Yeah I was going to say this, "flat maps" by this definition has more to do with the setting than the tone. Cant exactly have dense urban maps in the french countryside 1916

[next onyx]

We share the same braincell brother.

[remote kiln]

now you just need to activate god mode

[next onyx]

Reclaimed is an amazing map too.

[calm bison]

Modern breakaway is like actual map perfection on 128 player conquest

[remote kiln]

I'm still salty that they cut down spearhead like they did

the ends of the map looks way more interesting than the layout it has

[next onyx]

That would have been obnoxious.

[remote kiln]

probably but getting shot from the other spawn is worse

[calm bison]

I wish we could explore more of these factory buildings instead of the ground floor and vent systems

[amber star]

Exactly. 2042 was lazy. Kaleidoscope was advertised as being something similar to siege of Shanghai, but in reality was just a big field with inaccessible skyscrapers scattered around the map.

[amber kelp]

Nobody is defending 2042

[remote kiln]

I do not like snipers so Shanghai isn't my most favourite map but eh

[amber kelp]

Though, "lazy" is almost never an accurate description of why these things turn out bad.

[remote kiln]

the ground combat segment layout for vehicles also made 0 sense at all

cool map overall though

[next onyx]

By the way Deco. I was thinking with the new visual recoil make it'll make recoil more apparent?

As in.

It'll make things like horizontal recoil more apparent.

[remote kiln]

yeah it will just because the crosshair isn't lasered to the center someone's eye will naturally drift to it, I just despise artificial ways of modifying gun behaviour

it will work but, I don't like the approach

[next onyx]

We'll see. I think I'll judge it better in game when the time comes.

[remote kiln]

oh no I mean they will achieve what they're going for with design but it's just my disdain for this type of approach

[next onyx]

Oh yeah I see yeah.

[remote kiln]

since it's visual and fake you need to insert xyz random modifier to increase it feeling real, it just isn't a great factor logically speaking

mw2 took this to the absolute extreme

[amber kelp]

2nd hot take, add red orchestra 2 recoil system.

[next onyx]

I don't mind visual recoil entirely but I think they should remember that as long as the dot is centred or at least on the point where it fires and isn't fucking nauseating then it's fine.

[remote kiln]

I don't like indirectly promoting people to use monitor crosshairs, it's antithetical in general, but ig, the number of people even considering that are tiny

[pine roost]

The whole characteristics thing I can get, on that front I look forward to seeing how it feels. Ultimately it’ll be interesting when it comes out. You know more than we do about its implementation after all so we can only really be sure when we get our hands on it, but having played games where visual recoil is intrusive to the point where it harms the satisfaction and consistency of gameplay I do hope it manages to strike a balance. Ngl I liked how clean it was before, but as an animation nerd I also love juicy animations. So we’ll see :/

[next onyx]

As long as you're bursting it should be fine. But I guess you in particular hate the system to its damn neck.

Hey does it feel like z axis visual recoil isn't used a whole lot? @pine roost

[remote kiln]

I hated it in the finals, hated it in cod, so pretty much

[next onyx]

I was thinking said you're an animation nerd but I don't notice it a whole lot outside of sniper rifles.

[pine roost]

Which direction is the z axis to you

[next onyx]

Erm forward and back.

[pine roost]

I keep mixing mine around in my animations out of habit

[next onyx]

X is sideways y is vertical.

[pine roost]

Yeah I tend to put Y in the barrel direction lol

For the most part the actual distance moved isn’t too important but the curves involved. I know hipfire shots felt, for a lack of a better term, floaty because that shot recoil is often applied is over a longer time period on that axis rather than a big ‘bang’. It’s a mix across all weapons really

[next onyx]

For sure

I was thinking about it too with how much more jumpier it looks.

[vocal tusk]

Z axis definition differs depending on engine/studio 😛

In general Z = in/out tho, while X/Y = Left/right and Up/down

[pine roost]

And just the animator’s preference. I work for no studio, don’t make anything on a professional level or standard so as long as I stick to one rule in one project I’m fine

[next onyx]

I'm going to go into katilos dms and ask him then!

I'm not scared!

[pine roost]

Not a bad shout

[next onyx]

I just think z axis in terms of firing your weapons as it's digging into your shoulder making sense.

But who knows.

Maybe internally they have their guns sit on their stocks up.

[vocal tusk]

Same haha

[pine roost]

It’s all local anyways. The guns could be modelled upright for all we know, with z being in line with the barrel, but if it’s rotated that vertical z then ends up being horizontal

[next onyx]

Inb4 portal weapons are completely different.

[drowsy tide]

is it just me or do a majority of Portal ARs just feel like point and click adventure games?

[next onyx]

OH SHIT

What you mean.

[drowsy tide]

i feel like they're much easier to control compared to 2042 weapons

[next onyx]

Most likely intended.

[drowsy tide]

been working through all the weapons to unlock everything, some ARs like the A91 genuinely felt like it didnt bounce at all

noticed it last night as well with the aks74

[amber kelp]

do vault weapons have the same stats as their portal counterparts?

[next onyx]

They're completely different.

2042 m16a3 has a much, MUCH longer 5hk range.

[amber kelp]

no I mean do they have the same stats in AOW as they do in BF3 portal?

[next onyx]

I just answered that.

[amber kelp]

Not 2042 vs normal bf3

Oh ok, sorry

Misread

[next onyx]

I'm not sure how much classic weapon tuning changes it up though.

I know it modifies spread and recoil.

In the case of a bad co 2 it'll increase its damage.

[drowsy tide]

i wonder how LMGs will compare to assault rifles post change

since at least in my experience they kinda feel worse in every way pre patch

even when playing a little slower to facilitate their clunkier handling

[next onyx]

I have an idea for you.

Try avancys with a wrapped suppressor as crawford.

[remote kiln]

they said for portal weapons they essentially rebuild the gun from the ground up

[next onyx]

With a bcg grip.

[drowsy tide]

hmmmm, ill give it a shot once i unlock it

i already play crawford whenever i play engi so thats easy

[next onyx]

Deco that doesn't change their actual values. Portal weapons were made with different specifications to DICE.

Their actual blueprints are different.

[next onyx]

Remember to get into the habit of crouch firing.

Sprint normally.

[remote kiln]

no yeah that's what I mean

[next onyx]

But the instant you get into a fight crouch and burst.

[drowsy tide]

ive definitely died to tac sprinting with lmgs a bit too much

[remote kiln]

they need to rename Crawford to Andrew tate

[next onyx]

Unless you need to leg it, don't super sprint.

[drowsy tide]

i think in general i need to work the habit of tac sprinting too much

[next onyx]

Pelican here being an lmg main kinda just helped me realise that.

If you catch your self super sprinting in a fight unless you REALLY need to then you can start improving.

[drowsy tide]

ive been focusing a lot more on playing cover and preventing sillouetting lately

its made my infy play a lot more consistent at least

[next onyx]

Hug cover. Yes.

That's good.

[remote kiln]

be aware of your utility

what you can and can't do aswell

[drowsy tide]

i used to be much better at it in bf4 but stopped playing with thought so fundies decayed a bit

glad to notice they're improving again

[next onyx]

God I miss pre nerf m16 in this game.

[drowsy tide]

i think in general tho, my fps fundies suffered kinda hard when i full sent learning destiny 2 pvp

[remote kiln]

every gun now is just the m16

[amber kelp]

the fact that youre even aware of sillouetting puts you above most players.
Ive seen tons of milsim players who dont understand this concept

[remote kiln]

it unironically wouldn't even be that good compared to the top stack if they added it directly over

[next onyx]

M16 was amazing.

24 Max damage at close range therefore armour was disregarded.

[drowsy tide]

considering how simple of a concept it rly is, its surprising its not something thats commonly recommended in these like "X quick tips to improve at Y shooter" videos

[next onyx]

Brilliant ranged accuracy.

Who cares if it had a 30 rounder.

Just click click cock your m16 and you'll be set.

[remote kiln]

only problem is it's a portal weapon so it would have the eternal portal weapon bugs

[pine roost]

I first learnt about it from milsim games.
It’s not all bad

[next onyx]

Wtf is silhouetting.

[remote kiln]

showing your shadow

[next onyx]

My mind probably process it as something else.

[pine roost]

When you are on a hill and your body contrasts with the background a lot

Hence ‘silhouette’

[drowsy tide]

its the concept of preventing your sillouette from standing out in a sightline

[amber kelp]

making sure you do not cast a sillhouette on the skyline.
Dont stand on top of hills or rooftops at angles that will make you easy to spot

[drowsy tide]

think someone cresting a hill

[next onyx]

Oh I see.

[pine roost]

Or yeah, a skyscraper sniper

[drowsy tide]

^^^^^^

[pine roost]

Those are dead easy to see

[next onyx]

I just assume.

[remote kiln]

all snipers should be kicked from a game 30 seconds after staying in the same location

[next onyx]

"I'm helping"

[drowsy tide]

its insane how many free kills you can pick up by just walking around the dunes in uuh forgot the Qatar map name

[pine roost]

Sand

[remote kiln]

hourglass

[pine roost]

It’s called sand

[mental delta]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-sand-noises-angry-angry-sand-sand-people-angry-sand-people-gif-15181576

[drowsy tide]

BY THE WAY, i swear Hourglass attracts the most useless rooftop sniper players consistently

its worse than Kaleidoscope i swear

[next onyx]

Worst thing I've done was sit on a roof top with a 12x rorsch.

For a fucking marksman challenge.

[drowsy tide]

i just dont understand how someone can enjoy going 1-7 in a 30 minute cql game while prone on a rooftop at the edge of the map

[next onyx]

I dunno either.

[drowsy tide]

like part of me understands, its the dopamine of hitting that 1k marksman shot once every 20 games

[quaint vector]

Why can't I play even 1 full round of BT....

Team are so bad...

[drowsy tide]

but after getting farmed by the enemy attack helis for the Nth time id expect someone to move

[pine roost]

For the most part i'd say it's just the lack of any real risk

Considering how many people I find scared to run in, they probably find it somewhat chill to be back there

[drowsy tide]

thats fair ig

then again im a big sucker for actually pushing myself to improve at games i enjoy

and playing aggressive just kinda feels natural in that process

[pine roost]

titanfall has conditioned me to run in as much as possible

[drowsy tide]

sure i'll feel bad for going 10-20 for a game or 2 but dropping a 50-10 the next 3 just kinda counteracts that tilt

[pine roost]

I often feel really let down if I don't get a decent ratio

[drowsy tide]

i never played titanfall sadly, been on my radar for ages but it had the security risk at the time of me being super interested

[next onyx]

Oh no that wasn't dog slobber that's actuall rain.

[pine roost]

huh

[drowsy tide]

and now i just dont rly feel like investing the time to pick it up

[next onyx]

Oops wrong chat.

[pine roost]

you know what, I'm not even going to ask

[amber kelp]

the joy of smoking a bowl and equipping a x20

[next onyx]

LMAO

[drowsy tide]

AHAHAHA

fair point

[next onyx]

I can explain ok.

Nah.

[drowsy tide]

just know i WILL be yelling about you in the vc with my friends XD

[amber kelp]

man I can barely read words youre not getting to me

[pine roost]

It's the only game where I simply have fun and feel like it rewards my time and commitment

[drowsy tide]

ahahahahha valid

[next onyx]

Thanks to hardline it's conditioned me to be passive aggressive it's weird.

But ever since I got on PC I kinda don't have to play like that.

Even though I still prefer to use a scar and go aggro.

If there's one game that's helped me with my movement I reckon I'd credit it to ultrakill.

[low timber]

What are you? Way 2.0?

[next onyx]

Since the slide jump there is very similar it actually translates really well.

Yes.

One thing I need to remind myself sometimes is that I can't ground pound the ground and fling myself into oblivion.

[drowsy tide]

ill always have to credit Destiny 2 for my movement tbh, 7k hours on that game made my movement decision making 10x faster

[next onyx]

On this game.

You should play ultrakill!

Join us.

[amber kelp]

7k hours on that game
Im so sorry

[drowsy tide]

my friends have been hounding me to play ultrakill XD

[next onyx]

Bullet and I can attest to that.

Do it.

[amber kelp]

Do it

[drowsy tide]

im sure its a great game, i just have a hard time getting into new stuff when im currently invested in bigger games

my pipeline over the past few months has been rather tight, going from destiny to the Finals with some bf4 in between, and now 2042 and Eternal Return

[next onyx]

That's fair.

[drowsy tide]

i am unbelievably hyped for the new horizon game hitting steam in 3 weeks tho

refused to buy a ps5 for it cus i was convinced it would get ported eventually

until recently i was admittedly in the camp that wouldnt rly give 2042 a fair chance cus of it's launch

but im glad i picked it up

[next onyx]

All the games I'm looking forward to are release are coming out in 2025 kek.

[drowsy tide]

been having a blast

the only '25 launch im kinda hyped for atm is the new pokemon

but i havent rly kept up with gaming releases so idk whats been revealed

[next onyx]

YeH that's one big game for me.

[low timber]

Like what? GTAVI?

[next onyx]

A big game is projected to be released midway through 2025 and I'm looking forward to it.

Nah

I don't really care much for gta 6 if I had to be honest.

[drowsy tide]

for now horizon forbidden west and Elden Ring DLC are my short term hype

[low timber]

Blasphemy!

[slow tulip]

Crysis 4, splinter cell remake are coming out in 2025

[amber kelp]

Games that try to take as much of your time as possible are never worth your time.
(ultrakill is also like, 6 hours tops)

[remote kiln]

you have said the most controversial statement for march

[next onyx]

I've been playing tonnes of modded terraria as of late and I'm currently on my fourth playthrough.

[drowsy tide]

same tbh

[amber kelp]

I gotta agree, could never get into GTAV or RDR2

[next onyx]

Get nae nae'd scot.

[remote kiln]

that is a way

[low timber]

I curse thee with LUMBAGO

[next onyx]

By the way I need help cause terraria has sucked up my entire months worth of playtime.

[drowsy tide]

terrarria just kinda does that

embrace it

[next onyx]

And I'm thinking of a fifth playthrough already.

In a row.

[remote kiln]

[next onyx]

I've done calamity on death mode on summoner twice, on solo and on co op.

[drowsy tide]

i absolutely cant stand terraria's early game so i only ever play it with friends now

[next onyx]

I deal with it by building to be honest.

I just cheat in blocks and build.

[drowsy tide]

fair nuf

[next onyx]

Early game isn't bad but it's kinda dull. Especially when you're used to zooming.

[drowsy tide]

exactly that

[next onyx]

Dude these magpies are so fat I love them.

[pine roost]

do it

[drowsy tide]

there are a bunch of games i wish i could replay as if it was my first playthrough tbh

[next onyx]

God my camera is bad.

[drowsy tide]

i would LOVE to reexperience Armored Core 6 again

[next onyx]

I hope I get my phone back soon ish.

[drowsy tide]

that game is so fucking good

[next onyx]

I'd love to re experience hollow knight again.

[drowsy tide]

oh ye same

[next onyx]

I played terraria all the way back at 2012.

So what I know terraria as it is now is radically different yet still the same.

[drowsy tide]

same with both Nier games, 0 escape, dead space

buncha others as well

[pine roost]

what else?

[remote kiln]

https://fxtwitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1765471073599193285?s=19 bfbulletin stalking the channel

[drowsy tide]

what time is the season supposed to drop?

[pine roost]

wait I need to read that paragraph again

[drowsy tide]

or has there not been any concrete announcement?

[next onyx]

You mean for anything in 2024?

[amber kelp]

So random shit is back in Battlefield
Does this person understand how gunplay works?

[remote kiln]

nope

most of the playerbase dont

[next onyx]

Oh yeah bulletkin.

[pine roost]

just, what else is coming out

[next onyx]

Oh.

[pine roost]

all I care for is monster hunter wilds

[drowsy tide]

YES

[remote kiln]

@limber raft come out of hiding

[next onyx]

There's ratatan, potentially silksong and just pokemon.

[arctic grove]

The only games I’ve really been looking at recently are helldivers 2 and squad

[drowsy tide]

silksong is an internet myth at this point

[amber kelp]

I guess it makes sense considering the number of people who swear by BFV's gunplay

[next onyx]

If you want a cute rhythm game by the way look up ratatan and patapon.

[remote kiln]

hes here

quick somebody say a season 7 leak

[next onyx]

He knows when you are sleeping.

[arctic grove]

I like bfv animations, sound design and that’s honestly about it for that games guns

[calm bison]

THEYRE ADDING A NEW DRONE IN S7

There’s your leak

[arctic grove]

I guess some of the guns are cool or funny looking as well but it’s unfortunate most aren’t as effective as meta options

[next onyx]

THE WEAPON IN THE ELITE EDITION POSTER IS TO BE RELEASED. (I think)

[pine roost]

I have been told by someone at dice that BT-7274 will make an appearance as the franchise's first crossover event

[remote kiln]

he's watching you all currently everybody act appropriate

[next onyx]

This isn't an actual leak by the way but I'm assuming it'll be added.

Gimme a cz805 you cowards.

[calm bison]

THEYRE ADDING THE CZ3A1

[amber kelp]

what happened was people started saying BFV has no randomness (this is false) and then started swearing by its gunplay on that principle alone.
5 guns feel like ass

[pine roost]

gimme a

uh

actually I have no idea what I want

[next onyx]

Hampter.

Florp.

[calm bison]

Hampter.

[arctic grove]

[remote kiln]

everybody wear a tie in accordance with the celebrity

[pine roost]

hampter who has lived through malevalon creek

[next onyx]

I was gonna respond to that with a slur.

[amber kelp]

Do it

[pine roost]

[next onyx]

I was so fucking close to responding with a slur to that.

[solid imp]

👀

[amber kelp]

Do it you wont

[next onyx]

Exactly. I won't.

[calm bison]

What your DBD monster says about you

[arctic grove]

Idek how people came to that conclusion. Was it sometime during bfvs life when the gunplay maybe was different (knowing dice changed shit every week during that games lifecycle )

[drowsy tide]

i feel like a few too many guns in this game just kinda feel the same, weirdly enough while bf4 had WAY more options, a lot of them also felt like they had more personality if that makes sense

[pine roost]

I recall there being some discussions about the game having patterns leading up to launch, but that was false from day 1

[calm bison]

People like BFV's gunplay because it's consistent. I'll take random recoil over bullet deviation because at least the bullets go where I aim

[pine roost]

So i assume people took that as gospel

[arctic grove]

I think bf4 having a lot of guns was a good thing as well, so same

[calm bison]

Yeah but how many of those guns were actually unique?

[arctic grove]

But if you want unique guns you’re looking at a severely small amount of gun content

[pine roost]

an 94 had funny mode

[amber kelp]

Its because of a fundamental misunderstanding of how BFV recoil works.

[drowsy tide]

a decent example imo would be the AEK and the Famas, both are high rpm shredders but they still felt unique enough to consider running both

[calm bison]

BFV is a good example of a high amount of unique weapons

unless its the panzerschreck

[arctic grove]

[amber kelp]

BF4's gun variety was "neat" but its only really viable for a sequel/clone game like BF4. They could just pull guns from BF3 to get that high number

[drowsy tide]

i feel like the world war battlefields in general felt pretty creative with their weapons across the board, given i didnt play bf5 at all but from what i saw in videos there seemed to be a lot of variety

[arctic grove]

I alternated between the sar21, m16, m4 aaaand this one 7.62 carbine that farmed headshot kills

[amber kelp]

I wish BFV had some samey weapons so I could actually use faction appropriate kit. Where is the springfield? Where is the M1A1 Thompson? Type 4 (rare but better than nothing)?

[pine roost]

fg 42 and the m5a657a1b21 were very unique

[drowsy tide]

SURELY thats not the actual name of the gun XD

[arctic grove]

That’s understandable, I guess I’m just confused because the spread to recoil conversion is its own randomness to deal with if that makes sense

[pine roost]

no it is https://battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Thompson/Battlefield_V

trust

[arctic grove]

Knowing us naming conventions in ww2 I would not doubt it to be honest

[amber kelp]

Every Battle Rifle in 5 plays exactly the same.

[calm bison]

Yeah this is something I agree with

[arctic grove]

There was like 5 different things named M1 back then

[calm bison]

We could have some samey weapons for the sake of historical iconography

[drowsy tide]

jfc LMAO

[drowsy tide]

ah thats kinda sad

[arctic grove]

And one is just useless (mas36)

[pine roost]

although it's probably one of my favourite guns

[calm bison]

The MAS 36 is a bolt action rifle and isn't in BFV

[pine roost]

though bfv was a sniper game for me

more than 70% of clips was just sniping

[arctic grove]

Oh shit my fault lol lemme figure out the name of this gun

[royal swan]

I do like the visual recoil change. It just looks right.

[drowsy tide]

played a decent bit of bf1 when it came out, rly liked sniping in that game as well

[arctic grove]

Been playing hoi4 recently so that’s the name that came to mind

[pine roost]

yeah it's solid

bf feels more fun since there's more movement options, but both are good

[amber kelp]

Mas44

[drowsy tide]

i think in general, sniping in battlefield always has felt kinda special to me

[arctic grove]

Mas 44 I believe it was

Yea

[calm bison]

But yeah the MAS 44 is pretty unremarkable

[drowsy tide]

something about it just ticks all the boxes

[calm bison]

I use it for my Japan assault since it looks like the Type 5 rifle

(Japanese Garand)

[pine roost]

just silly stuff like this feels so good

[drowsy tide]

perfectlycutclip

[calm bison]

Krag Jorgensen my beloved

[pine roost]

krag my king

[drowsy tide]

that sfx is snappy as hell holy

[calm bison]

It's crispy

[arctic grove]

The krag is very good yep

[calm bison]

Honeslty the US is the only faction I couldn't figure out a weapon for

Since I try to use accurate weaponry to a faction

[arctic grove]

Well there were some krags adopted into the marine corps if im not mistaken

[calm bison]

I use the Krag for my US recon

[pine roost]

I do find myself enjoying it more in v than 2042

still love my excitement at the end here

probably due to the maps in all honesty

[arctic grove]

There’s a 2042 krag?

[calm bison]

nop

[drowsy tide]

sound design is actually so clean here, the difference between the echo inside and none outside just hits different

[next onyx]

Fg42 my beloved.

I need to dig up an fg42 clip now.

[pine roost]

sound design is definitely solid

[drowsy tide]

i just found the clip that defines my games on Hourglass.....https://streamable.com/cbtkh8

[pine roost]

the whispy-zip kill sound in 2042 is alright but the coin sound still tops it

[drowsy tide]

dont mind me ranting to friends in vc in the background

[arctic grove]

That’s what I miss from bf1 and v, like, in bf1, if you use the Gewehr 98 in a building it genuinely reminded me of my range experience just cause how deep the shot actually sounded

[calm bison]

I cast 5.2.2 TTK!

[pine roost]

k watching these clips makes me want to play bfv again

but I need to write this cover letter ;(

[drowsy tide]

i just wanted to play some 2042 after work tonight

but AAAAAH

[calm bison]

Also this aesthetic

[pine roost]

mmm, blue and orange

[drowsy tide]

ww2 torn europe is such a good aesthetic

for games

FOR GAMES

[calm bison]

I am going to kill you

(in-game)

[drowsy tide]

surely

[calm bison]

How to get the FBI off your back

[pine roost]

last one, but that final flick looked so odd

[calm bison]

Make a threat but end it with "in Minecraft"

[drowsy tide]

i wouldve probs missed that last one unless i was focusing LMAO

[chilly jacinth]

too bad it doesnt look like that ingame

[calm bison]

If I had a nickel for every ZK 383 BFV clip I'd have quite a few nickels

[glossy storm]

Those increased recoil animations are FINALLY being added.

[drowsy tide]

didnt even see that last guy until after you killed him

[glossy storm]

At this point, I'm not even surprised it took them this long to add it.

But keep doing what you're doing, DICE.

[pine roost]

as usual, it takes several years to add stuff but they do add stuff the community asks for

[drowsy tide]

Dice just kinda does this thing where they somehow manage to salvage rly rough releases and turn them into genuinely rly good games

[calm bison]

this community fuckin sucks ngl

[next onyx]

Dumbass net.

[drowsy tide]

it took 2 years but bf4 ended up being my favorite game in the franchise

[glossy storm]

Always.

[acoustic seal]

BFV DECOUPLED AIM ON 2042 BROKEN INPUT LOOOOOOOOOOOL

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[chilly jacinth]

are you ok

[calm bison]

Ever since Portal released my respect for the BF community has plummeted beyond the Mariana Trench

[next onyx]

If it weren't for suppression I'd enjoy bf4 a bit more.

But I just found bf4 boring as shit.

[drowsy tide]

fair point tbh

[next onyx]

Hardline was more fun.

[calm bison]

"Hey you wanna see a million 800% damage servers? No? WELL ITS TOO DAMN BAD!"

[next onyx]

I don't mean this as a jab by the way.

[drowsy tide]

suppression was definitely a bit overtuned

[strange sentinel]

Afghanistan WAR SIMMMM

[calm bison]

I LOVE XP FARMS

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-angry-shoutung-audience-gif-5898640

[drowsy tide]

oh no i didnt read it as such, everyone can have their own opinion, plus like, even with bf4 being my favorite, im not blind to it's problems

[strange sentinel]

BF portal is the most brainrotted area of the entire game

[acoustic seal]

*inhale* LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[calm bison]

Portal is the reason why the community doesn't make Battlefield games

If they did, it would fuckin suck

[strange sentinel]

There could've been cool modes and shit, if the game was good

And if they didnt completely abandon portal too

[pine roost]

are some people here using blank profile pictures or is my discord bugging

[strange sentinel]

had to rework all the release maps

[drowsy tide]

seems to be on your end

[next onyx]

Discords always buggy.

[pine roost]

everyone's pictures are just slowly dissapearing

your's has gone now

[calm bison]

This isn't a case of the game being good. At launch Portal had so much potential. DICE effectively gave players the keys to make their own BF game. And what did the players do? They did fuck all. They made bot farms and these godawful milsim servers

[next onyx]

Have you restarted discord.

[patent pivot]

I have 2 mods for discord

BetterDiscord and OpenASR

[next onyx]

K?

[calm bison]

Portal not having content isn't an excuse for the community to be uncreative. Portal launched with plenty to work with

[remote kiln]

cntrl + r to fix the issue

[patent pivot]

still missing one basic option like team swap

[pine roost]

no team swap for portal especially has been a big pain for me

[remote kiln]

just go through the portal

then you can go to the other side

[chilly jacinth]

team swap in real matches is simply shit

[patent pivot]

LET ME PLAY AS DEFENDER ON REDACTED

god damn

[chilly jacinth]

portal on the other hand

is silly

[remote kiln]

bt redacted is ass lol

it should be removed from the map pool

[calm bison]

DICE where is that Defibs vs Knives gamemode we saw in the trailer?

[drowsy tide]

part of me is kinda surprised that we STILL dont have rented servers tbh

[patent pivot]

nah

who the hell likes them

[remote kiln]

why would you want rented servers?

they literally give you them for free

[calm bison]

And they gave you persistent servers

[remote kiln]

^

[drowsy tide]

even for 2042 playmodes?

[calm bison]

Persistent servers as in the server will remain up for a time even when no one is playing

[remote kiln]

all portal servers are persistent as long as you have the battle pass and have a x player count for xyz time

[drowsy tide]

ic ic

i never rly looked into portal so im not familiar with the server structure for it

i just assumed portal only allowed player hosted servers for portal content

[remote kiln]

half of the featured gamemodes that are on the main page are/were/are inspired by portal created modes

[drowsy tide]

hmm

TIL

[ionic gale]

Mate, every gun in this game has a different damage model paired with spread and recoil, which means that many guns are rather unuseable because they are so different. I'd rather not take a chance with visual stuff, since I do remember how that worked out the last time in BF4, where it caused a huge darn misalignment between sight and center of screen. This was further enhanced by the reticle moving to and from the center when ADS moving

[fallow gulch]

Braindead idea to add visual recoil

[pine roost]

Oh hey Vincent

see you around a lot

[stray rock]

here is a controversial idea. SUPER CONTROVERSIAL actually. Copy the gunplay ONE TO ONE from Battlefield 4

people will not have an issue with that

at all

[remote kiln]

you cant lol

[stray rock]

Except you can

[remote kiln]

no, you cant, the gunplay in battlefield 4 works because the maps are very different, and smaller, to this game

you cant just transfer it over to this

[arctic grove]

Good idea

[ionic gale]

hey. I'd rather not be around a lot, because that would mean I have nothing to complain. 😄

[ionic gale]

You can and matter of fact gunplay is pretty close mechanic-wise to BF4. Also maps do not differ much, apart from general quality, either. Silk Road, Karelia, Dragon Valley, Hammerhead, Whiteout among others use exactly the same design premise as stuff like Panzerstorm, Hamada, Hourglass, Orbital etc..

[royal swan]

Side by side. Honestly I think there's an overreacting. I don't see how this would destroy gunplay. You can't even really tell the difference on the smg

[chilly jacinth]

its simply visual recoil

nothing has changed

[stray rock]

I can tell you for a fact that it would work. Compare someo of the maps that the 2 games share and 4's gunplay is miles better

[amber kelp]

does this really matter though?
Its not like the gunplay just didnt work in golmud railway. It people are less effective at range, then theyre just gonna get closer to eachother

[wide shore]

I don't think it's gonna make a massive difference. That said, it is funny how they're walking back on a lot of things they changed in BFV due to "community feedback."

Spotting - It's back
Spread - It's back
Visual Recoil - It's back

[stray rock]

The gunplay turns even more into a guessing game

[amber kelp]

(V didnt remove spread)

[remote kiln]

golmud railway is the biggest map in bf4, and over 80% of the maps are bigger than it in this game, so yes, they differ very drastically

[pine roost]

have you got a higher quality version of this anywhere?

[royal swan]

Nope straight from the 2043 server

[tawny carbon]

The visual recoil changes looks amazing. I’m glad they made it where it doesn’t affect recoil or spread.the one thing I don’t like about cod.

[stray rock]

Caspian border than

[royal swan]

The AR is very noticeable

I'm wondering how it will effect other sights

Like thermals

[stray rock]

Remember Visual recoil was removed from 4 after people complained about it

[royal swan]

Or sights with adjustable range

[wide shore]

Pretty sure it was replaced with random recoil patterns. They made a big deal about "bullets going where you're aiming" in V.

[royal swan]

Imagine this game had the random bullet deviation from bf1

Oooooh boy

[wide shore]

I mean, it kinda does now. Just not as egregious.

[amber kelp]

Nope. It was replaced with "spread to recoil", which is just spread except not your gun is doing looptyloops in your hands.
The spread calculation is exactly the same. And in hipsire its just normal spread

[stray rock]

Aka the "fuck your muscle memory" mechanic

[ionic gale]

size is of no relevance, because we still all fight at objective range, kill distances have not changed drastically even with these long sightlines and wide angles. Firestorm is a huge ass map, yet we only fight in a small relevant area. It is the same on Orbital or Kaleidoscope or Hourglass.

[next onyx]

Bf5 certainly had spread but not as much.

Random recoil was annoying but people treat it like the worst thing in the world.

[wide shore]

Perhaps previous titles just exasberated it with supression.

[remote kiln]

firestorm is not a huge ass map, the objectives are literally entirely in one section of the map and the spawns are at either side, trying to equate these with 2042 maps where the objectives are sometimes 200m apart is bordering on absurd sorry

[royal swan]

OOOH that should be the next change we didn't ask for. Suppression

[wide shore]

Pls no

[ionic gale]

I am rather concerned because it is individual to the weapon, and we had something like this before in BF4, with really big misalignment depending on the gun, sight and movement, that was basically removed after half a year.

[amber kelp]

BFV also removed spread increase per shot.
which really fucks up weapons effective ranges.

[stray rock]

O yep

[tawny carbon]

It wasn’t even that bad for me. I rather have spread over it either way.

[summer lake]

People are mad at the new changes for S7?

[pine roost]

Hard to see the dot but I slowed down the footage for a better look

[royal swan]

Wait is there bullet flinching

[ionic gale]

Yes travel distances are absurd in 2042, which is why the maps are shit. Take a look at Karelia or Silk Road from BF4.

[tribal cradle]

Why we adding this stuff back into Battlefield?

[royal swan]

Do we have bullet flinching in the game

[pine roost]

wdym by that

[next onyx]

Erm bullets causing flinch.

[royal swan]

You flinch when you get shot

[next onyx]

No.

[wide shore]

Like, flinch when you're shot

[next onyx]

Battlefield doesn't have flinch.

[wide shore]

^

[next onyx]

And should never do it.

[tawny carbon]

^^

[pine roost]

I see. Screw that

[wide shore]

Agreed, flinch is shit

[royal swan]

someone call dice, I got an idea 💡

[pine roost]

next thing you know you'll be asking for a stealth bomber

[tawny carbon]

Ayo?

[chilly jacinth]

nothing quite like shooting someone in cod and you flinch his aim onto your head

so you insta die

[royal swan]

Suppression + bullet flinching + buffing screen shaking

[tawny carbon]

Where’s my over pressured ammo from MWIII

[amber kelp]

I kinda like suppression tbh. But it needs to be LMG exclusive.

[wide shore]

So BF3

[pine roost]

I would rather die

[royal swan]

Considered as the best bf games. So not a bad idea after all

[next onyx]

Fucking up other people's direct aim is dumb.

[tawny carbon]

Facts

[wide shore]

Hey, I ain't saying nothing about the game itself. I love BF3

[next onyx]

Allow people to fight back. Don't reward monkeys.

[royal swan]

Get outplayed

[next onyx]

It's why I didn't mind mmgs as much in bf5 purely because as powerful as they were, you could actually fight back.

[tawny carbon]

Where my anti flinch gear at?

[wide shore]

mmmm MMGs

MG42 go brrrt

[amber kelp]

But it does do two things:
1 it makes the low mobility of LMGs viable without making them big assault rifles
2, more importantly, it levels the playing field against entrenched enemies. Even if you cant directly see someone you can try to dislodge or disadvantage them.

[wide shore]

But it also would cause unintended consequences for the player who shot first.

[pine roost]

Games that do that feel so dull cause it's just a first to see type situation. I actually like having proper gunfights with someone. If they don't get me by the time I turn around, that's their problem, then we duel

[amber kelp]

suppression?

[next onyx]

Yes.

[wide shore]

Oh, I thought you were talking about flinch lol

[amber kelp]

Oh no.
Flinch can rot in hell.

[ivory canopy]

Predictions for new weapons:

• New MG (maybe M250 or MG5)
• New SMG (preferably a heavily shortened rifle)
• New shotty (old fashioned double barrel preferred)

[next onyx]

Light machines ARE good in this game. Despite their niche not being so apparent.

With the engineer buffs they're super accurate.

[pine roost]

If they were to add another meme gun this season, what would you hope for

[royal swan]

A new smg is possible

[ivory canopy]

Zip 22 sidearm

Also what do you mean another meme gun?

[pine roost]

well, 'meme gun' is a bit harsh, moreso 'unorthadox'

[royal swan]

A gun that seems silly to be on the battlefield

[pine roost]

crossbow type

[royal swan]

Like the crossbow

[next onyx]

Just gimme bf5's bren gun back.

[royal swan]

I honestly believe they are no longer doing vault weapons

[ivory canopy]

I don't think the crossbow is a joke.

[ivory canopy]

Very sadge if true

[pine roost]

yeah I retract calling it a meme, I meant a weapon that isn't just a traditional gun as we all know

[amber kelp]

give me a musket with a full 20 second reload animation that you cannot move for

[ivory canopy]

BC2 got largely ignored in the vault weapon selecting process. There's, I think, 2 guns that were exclusive to BC2 portal.

They didn't touch any 1942 era weapons either

It was mostly BF3 weapons

[amber kelp]

for obvious reasons

[royal swan]

Honestly a one shot one hit kill flintlock would be better

With a long ass reload

[ionic gale]

Only the RPT and LCMG are relevant choices, especially the vault weapons are all around bad choices. The engineer trait also barely does much, we are likely talking about a 5% decrease of spread. This does not even offset the spread difference between the weapon classes.

[ivory canopy]

You really wouldn't want to see weapons like the STG44 and M1 Garand?

[amber kelp]

no.
Same damage model as a sniper. Headshot is the only viable kill. Make this thing unfathomably bad but still capable of meming on people

[royal swan]

And not so good accuracy because it's smoothbore

And hits the robotic dog

[ivory canopy]

Zip 22 would be the perfect meme weapon.

[royal swan]

I believe in the one hit kill close range bad accuracy and long ass reload

[ivory canopy]

Basically make it the Kolibri of BF2042

[drowsy tide]

bruh this is just sniping in destiny XD

[next onyx]

The crouched accuracy boost on engie is equivalent to a bcg stubby grip. Plus you forgot the avancys and to a minor extent the XM8.

[ivory canopy]

Avancys is kinda legendary tbh from what I've used of it.

[royal swan]

Avancys was so good

I believe it was the first gun I t1

[next onyx]

Avancys is much better balanced now and honestly my favourite lmg.

It beams people.

Wrapped suppressor and bcg stubby.

With engie you get shots you shouldn't.

And the ammo you recover is so good

[royal swan]

I wonder how the visual recoil will act on the avancys

[ivory canopy]

When I get the T1 on Sundance, I'm going straight to LMGs

[royal swan]

Don't forget to use bipods, they are really useful

[ivory canopy]

They are the only assault specialist I haven't T1'd yet

[ionic gale]

Both the Avancys and XM8 have a TTK of 312ms to 50m and 75m. This covers basically 75% of the kill distances in battlefield and is far from stellar. The BCG decreases spread by 8% for making hipfire 8% worse, a bonus that you will hardly notice, I highly doubt that the free engineer bonus that is working only crouched will even come near that ballpark. However soldier stance by default reduces recoil by 10%, which you will get alongside as well.

[next onyx]

I certainly feel the accuracy boost.

I dunno about you dude.

Avancys is a brilliant ranged MG.

[ebon pilot]

also called aim punch

[plain meadow]

can we post memes in here?

[stone cradle]

Maybe if we stay quiet they'll add crouch sprint and server browsers back

[royal swan]

If it's related to the channel yeah

[plain meadow]

where my meme channel at

no meme channel

[ionic gale]

If it works for you this is of course correct. Personal perception is important and can not be argued with. But objectively neither the Avancys, the stubby or engineer bonus gives a relevant bonus.

[stone cradle]

I post 2042 memes here all the time, you're fine from what I've seen

[plain meadow]

well, it ain't 2042

but though it was funny nontheless

[rotund kite]

post it anyways lol

[stone cradle]

#general

[plain meadow]

[wide shore]

That would so soooooooooo awffullllllll if they did that

[plain meadow]

see if i catch a 24 hour

imma delete it in a second doe

[rotund kite]

lol

[royal swan]

That would be relevant in general tbh

[plain meadow]

yeah, u probably right

idk seemed funny

[next onyx]

Huh