battlefield-2042

[gleaming oriole]

Also just some of the objective layouts for breakthrough. That's the only difference aside from graphical

Because according to dice it's unfair if we turned off crossplay and played against controller users.... But apparently it's fair for PC . So idk

[frigid matrix]

Couldn’t they just simply have it so if crossplay is on, then you can have mk on but if crossplay is off, then mk option is disabled? Idk how difficult that would be since I’ve never worked on aaa games or anything like that

[gleaming oriole]

That's what I don't get. I use a mouse and keyboard it's cheating. PC players use mouse and keyboard it's fair play.

[obtuse harbor]

Tinfoil hat opinion: So PC players have an objectively better time (dominating firefights), making them think the game is more fun than it is

[elfin coral]

there really needs to be a console only crossplay and a crossplay with pc option

[pine roost]

not true

[fervent rose]

aluminium foil hat opinion: every other crossplay game has broken aim assist and we are lucky 2042 isn't like that

[pine roost]

it's still possible to be a great player on controller

[chilly jacinth]

apparently not

[obtuse harbor]

It’s true my dad works for DICE

[pine roost]

ok

[gleaming oriole]

Oh I know. I am one. But you can't deny the very clear and blatant advantage m&k has over controller.

[frigid matrix]

Agreed. I’ve played controller my entire life and I’ve still gotten a ton of elims and near topped lobbies with controller against PC players

[violet sinew]

🎲

[obtuse harbor]

Anyone got controller setting tips

[frigid matrix]

Also facts. You’re aim is way more precise on m&k

[pine roost]

I can't attest for it since I don't use one, all I know is to not assume that being on a controller means it's impossible to be good, because as you know that isn't the case

[obtuse harbor]

I’m having skill issues fam

[fervent rose]

you get 33% less recoil, hipfire assist, aim slowdown, and snap aim when you use a controller on bf2042

[violet sinew]

look it up on youtube homie

[obtuse harbor]

Lol

[fervent rose]

controller players are fine

[robust vapor]

damn fnb is fun

[obtuse harbor]

I’m fine as hell thanks

Hey Google, how do I git gud

[cosmic dragon]

Yeah it’s already pretty high normally

[gleaming oriole]

Oh I never said that. On new gen I top the team regularly. I'm not saying you can't compete. But you are at a disadvantage. I run a solid 1.7 and climbing against PC players.. doesn't mean it's enjoyable

[quiet shell]

Wow whoever makes the layouts for FNB, good job. You managed to make rush on reclaimed actually worse than breakthrough

bra-fucking-vo

[cosmic dragon]

But idk it just feels better

[chilly jacinth]

theres always going to be someone better than you

its just how it is

[obtuse harbor]

I just want MnK support on console fam

[cosmic dragon]

I was playing the finals recently and the ttk was so slow on it

[fervent rose]

the finals looks hella mid

[pine roost]

the finals is pretty fun, I'm glad they finally added ads fov

[gleaming oriole]

I agree. You're right. But if you put two players of equal skill against each other. One on mouse and keyboard and the other on controller... The mouse user is going to win a majority of the time

[fervent rose]

3 player teams and that ttk.. ugh

[obtuse harbor]

[chilly jacinth]

if theyre equal skill i dont believe that for a second

[obtuse harbor]

Boyfriend 2042

[chilly jacinth]

they should be trading blows

[fervent rose]

positioning is more important than aiming in 2042, a great console player will frag even the best pc players if they use their noggin

[chilly jacinth]

not getting steamrolled

[gleaming oriole]

It's not the skill that's a factor. It's the tools at their disposal. Mouse will always be more accurate than a thumbstick in a shooter. And in a shooter accuracy wins every time

[chilly jacinth]

and if theyre equal skill they should have equal aim

[obtuse harbor]

[gleaming oriole]

So if two players of equal skill are playing. The one using the tool that allows the better accuracy the advantage.

[obtuse harbor]

I think the point is, you have to have higher skill on controller to match average skill on MNK

[chilly jacinth]

doesnt matter

[fervent rose]

sounds like its working as intended, considering mnk is 100% raw input

[obtuse harbor]

Cuz the controller is a handicap

[chilly jacinth]

theyre equal

[obtuse harbor]

Give it to me raw

[chilly jacinth]

which means theyre equal in everything

[fervent rose]

controller isnt 100% raw input

[chilly jacinth]

skill wise

[obtuse harbor]

Bruh the Titan sub was steered using a controller - tells you everything you need to know

[gleaming oriole]

It does. A mouse is more accurate. Easier to control recoil, has more customization for key bindings. You don't have to take your thumb off your thumbstick and not be able to aim so you can reload, switch weapons, etc

[spare quest]

the controller was the smallest problem

[chilly jacinth]

you need to learn claw grip

no need to move anything

[fervent rose]

Or buy an elite/custom controller with extra buttons

[obtuse harbor]

The thumb stick <<< mouse

Flickadawristw

[gleaming oriole]

I played claw during my competitive halo days. Shit hurts my knuckles now.

[arctic grove]

c clamp grip the controller

[obtuse harbor]

Kinect

[chilly jacinth]

[fervent rose]

and if it were the other way, that would be a problem

like how COD and Halo work

where 80% of pc players on cod switch to gamepad

[obtuse harbor]

Halo was built for controller though

[fervent rose]

and all of the pc mnk halo players quit

fun times

[obtuse harbor]

[ebon pilot]

when are they gonna add the 12G Auto to AOW it's literally better than the MCS-880

[gleaming oriole]

CoD and halo are outliers. They aren't an accurate representation of what most shooters would look like with PC playing against console. There are very few shooters with aim assist and bullet magnetism that even come close to a fraction of what those games have

[fervent rose]

Lmao

[fervent rose]

i'd love to use the bfv 12g again in AOW

[fervent rose]

that thing got so much hate in the bfv chat

[obtuse harbor]

My thumb stick

[copper ice]

i miss the drilling

[fervent rose]

thats the only one i rarely used

pump and 12g were nasty for me

and then they just added a better than everything model37

[copper ice]

I tried the others but drilling was the only consistent one to me

[gleaming oriole]

People genuinely think controller is so much better than m&k.... Lol let me ask you this. If controller is so good and so much better then why does everyone choose mouse and keyboard. Just seems funny how everyone wants to pretend controller is better yet willingly puts themselves at an alleged disadvantage when they have the option to use it too

[copper ice]

Also it was just sexy

[fervent rose]

fps is best played on mnk

like how racing games are best on a wheel

or fighting games with a joystick and buttons

[gleaming oriole]

Because let me tell you. If I had the ability to use mouse and keyboard... I would be. Because it's better than controller.

[fervent rose]

or 3d action games with a gamepad

or rts with mnk

i could go on

[gleaming oriole]

There are few games id actually prefer playing on controller. And those games are souls likes. Mouse and keyboard doesn't feel right

[fervent rose]

2d platformers are much better with a gamepad too

[unreal blaze]

COD2042?

[chilly jacinth]

cod is on its 69420th game now

[copper ice]

Joystick is better for movement, mouse is better for precision

[chilly jacinth]

get it right

[copper ice]

precision is more relevant in fps basically universally

[gleaming oriole]

Exactly. Because precise will always beat speed.

[fervent rose]

people could make console only Portal servers if its truly a big enough problem

[next onyx]

NTW is cheese.

[chilly jacinth]

anyone know how bad the 1911 is?

[copper ice]

very

[next onyx]

I do.

Cause I got it to tier 1.

[chilly jacinth]

fuck

[next onyx]

I hated every.

Single.

Second.

Like ok it was decent in HIPFIRE.

But it's like.

Gimme my p125.

[cosmic dragon]

2042 needs more tanks

[fervent rose]

i think i have less than 20 kills on that shitty gun

[cosmic dragon]

per map

[fervent rose]

i refuse to use ultra bad options

[next onyx]

I destroy little kids dreams with the p125.

[chilly jacinth]

man this 1911 has 2 attachments

thats sad

[cosmic dragon]

at least 6

on most maps

[gleaming oriole]

That's why it's shit. No utility

[ebon pilot]

2 attachments, 7 rounds that do like 20 damage each

[fervent rose]

the deagle is so much better than the 1911 its comical

[copper ice]

[fervent rose]

dual 1911s is the only way to balance them

[cosmic dragon]

because 2 is just dumb

[chilly jacinth]

deagle is like the best sidearm

[arctic grove]

lmao

mods

[copper ice]

did they ever nerf the glock

[arctic grove]

I have a question

[gleaming oriole]

M44 is pretty cracked too

[fervent rose]

yes its very icky when you ADS and spam the gun now

[next onyx]

DEAGLE./

[chilly jacinth]

nerf did nothing to the glock

[arctic grove]

can I send an invite to mw2 here :))))

[fervent rose]

but for the most part it still hipfires like a champ

[chilly jacinth]

who even ads with the glock

its a laser hipfire

[copper ice]

with that hipfire it doesn't need ads

[fervent rose]

they nerfed hipfire range too

[copper ice]

no...

[obtuse harbor]

What’s the META

[fervent rose]

g57 no longer feels like playing counterstrike

it's still maybe the best sidearm either way

[obtuse harbor]

Gew 46?

[arctic grove]

i love how in casual shooters hipfire makes bullets magically go diagonally out of the barrel

btw I can do this

but Im gonna delete that

[fervent rose]

not just casual shooters have spread

[pine roost]

can't believe you'd invite me to play call of duty modern warfare 2

[arctic grove]

illegal ik

[arctic grove]

idk every other tactical shooter I played had proper bullet logic when hipfiring with just more recoil

[quiet shell]

You know a change I would love to see? Instead of your character spawning when you click deploy and leaving you defenseless until the camera moves down from the overview, your character spawns when the camera finishes moving down

[arctic grove]

nah we need a 10 minute cutscene where ur character drops in from a helicopter every time u respawn

[fervent rose]

what about cs

thats the original tactical shooter

[arctic grove]

idk seems casual to me

[fervent rose]

lmao

[arctic grove]

has hud, big ttk

[fervent rose]

cs is anything but casual if you're playing against good players

it's arcade, not casual

[arctic grove]

wait yea

[pine roost]

so you mean milsim games then nikel?

[arctic grove]

I mixed words up

[true goblet]

yo so is there any way to turn the graphics really low on console? pc has a "low graphics" setting but that doesnt exist on xbox for some reason

[obtuse harbor]

America’s Army the real GOAT

[gleaming oriole]

Yeah counter strike you couldn't ads though unless you had a sniper... So the bullet spread couldn't be crazy inaccurate from the hip like in most shooters now

[fervent rose]

nah they optimize the hell out of xbox's specific settings

[arctic grove]

deal with it

[true goblet]

my game runs fine, im just kinda weird and like the look of older games

[gleaming oriole]

Unfortunately no

[true goblet]

tuff

[chilly jacinth]

there are basically no console games that let you change settings like that

[gleaming oriole]

I wish every game has a graphics or performance mode

[pine roost]

I don't get why consoles don't

[copper ice]

big ttk

[obtuse harbor]

[pine roost]

it just seems illogical

[fervent rose]

its becoming more normal to have multiple FPS options thankfully

[obtuse harbor]

Ye

[fervent rose]

30 fps locked console days were.. not ideal

[pine roost]

why not let someone change settings for better fps if they want

[true goblet]

well its bc console games are optimized to run well on the consoles so devs prob just assume "why would they want low graphics"

[gleaming oriole]

No on Xbox series x there are a lot. You can get increased frames and resolution with a performance/graphics mode. It's been a thing for a while now

[chilly jacinth]

not the same thing

[fervent rose]

because they optimize for those specific settings and its more work to allow options

[pine roost]

that's the bare, bare minimum for graphics options

[chilly jacinth]

i meant like pc obviously

[true goblet]

i swear bfv had a low graphics mode on console

i remember turning it on so the grass would dissappear

[obtuse harbor]

BFV is GOAT

[true goblet]

bc ppl liked to lay in it

[obtuse harbor]

Actually, SIMS 1

[next onyx]

60 FPS shoudl be minimum. Reliable 60 frames.

[gleaming oriole]

Yeah. But it's there. That's the point. Consoles will never have the customization a PC has options wise

[pine roost]

I don't get why not but at least there is something

[true goblet]

lmao as someone who played bfv on release and remembers the initial reaction i find it hilarious how ppl talk about it now

[next onyx]

Customisations wise what do you mean, People'll run the same CPu and GPU combo.

3080 with at least an x3d CPU for this game.

[true goblet]

battlefield effect really does exist

[copper ice]

that was just bfv

[arctic grove]

3080 with a pentium 3

[fervent rose]

if they make a game worse than 2042, 2042 will also be treated this way

[next onyx]

Talking about hardware. My room is HOT.

This game really warms you up.

[fervent rose]

thats how it works, you make a worse game every time, the last game gets praised

[next onyx]

Which is good in the DEAD OF WINTER.

[arctic grove]

checks out cuz ur an aussie

[pine roost]

not good for me in our 25 degree heat

[next onyx]

Quiet Russian you can literally open your window and your computer is set without a fan.

[arctic grove]

its 24 degrees outside

C

[next onyx]

Yeah and you are MELTING.

[true goblet]

2042 will get better and next bf theyll call this peak

trust

[gleaming oriole]

What I mean is settings in games. Like for instance 2042 on console has a cap on vehicle turrets speed. That cap doesn't exist on PC. You can have higher sensitivity and FoV than console players can.

[next onyx]

35 is beautiful.

[slow tulip]

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/battlefield-2042/user-reviews?page=26

[fervent rose]

only if the next game is even worse than 2042 which would be an achievement

but its dice

[true goblet]

said the same about bfv

[arctic grove]

HAHA

I can see that happening

absolutely

[slow tulip]

Looked at bf2042 metacritic reviews after a long time, recent reviews aren't good

[pine roost]

turret turn rates are the same between consoles and pc

[fervent rose]

yes but they actually went and made a worse game after bfv

[true goblet]

hell, anyone remember bf4 on launch

[arctic grove]

35 what :0

[fervent rose]

topping bf2042 would be astounding

[true goblet]

and we know how much people love to ride that game

[gleaming oriole]

The delay yes. I'm talking about reticle speed

[true goblet]

but by the time the next game is out, this game will be in a good state with the seasons

and the next will release contentless and buggy

and the cycle will repeat

[fervent rose]

2042 in a "good state" is still shitty

[ebon pilot]

The high today is 37c

[pine roost]

like in third person?

[gleaming oriole]

Yes.

[true goblet]

idk why people still hate 2042. i played early and yeah it was buggy and lame but now it's legitimately fun

[pine roost]

does the turret sensitivity and vehicle sens option do nothing?

[pine roost]

bugs weren't the main issues

[gleaming oriole]

Yeah ik right. People act like 2042 is the only battlefield to launch shit.

[fervent rose]

i don't "hate" the game

[true goblet]

they seem to have completely forgot bf4 fr

[fervent rose]

but the launch maps are still shitty

[true goblet]

which is now considered the best in the series

[fervent rose]

the balance of specialists is still shitty

[arctic grove]

I never faced any problems with 2042

my luck is maxed

[gleaming oriole]

On console turret turn sensitivity caps at like 45.

[true goblet]

i have hope for 2042, and ive heard they have big plans for it so im in for the ride

[zinc glade]

I wish they'd allow more than 1 tank at a time on the map(64 player conquest).

[pine roost]

maybe suggest that to them on the forums if it's not enough

[fervent rose]

pc players get negative acceleration on first person turret control

[arctic grove]

I hate the fucking view sensivity on jets

[copper ice]

it feels awful

[fervent rose]

it's not 1 to 1 mouse movement

[arctic grove]

but it's manageable

[copper ice]

mordhau did turncap much nicer

negative acceleration feels terrible

[arctic grove]

I would like to believe that a human head moves faster than 10 degrees a second

[pine roost]

at least it's not as bad as how squad handles turrets, goodness me they feel awful

[true goblet]

only sweats hate 2042 atp. playing casually, this game is loads of fun

[copper ice]

[pine roost]

playing casually literally anything can be fun

[true goblet]

the added specialist mechanics just make for more goofy gameplay (you can still put c5 on drones btw)

[copper ice]

i have to play as a sweat to kill tanks

[true goblet]

launch 2042 wasnt

[gleaming oriole]

And console players get a slow drag from start to finish. At max sensitivity a PC tank user can shoot me twice in the time it takes my turret to angle 45°

[copper ice]

if i play as a casual i get exploded 900 times

[true goblet]

i disliked it and didnt play again till season 3

[copper ice]

launch 2042 only loosely counts as a game

[arctic grove]

nah shut up

[true goblet]

nah, put 3 c5 on a drone and fly it over to their camping spot

[arctic grove]

launch was fun as hell

[fervent rose]

are you swapping to 3rd person to do large movements?

[arctic grove]

in what

[fervent rose]

because thats the only way i can move my turret fast

in the tank

[copper ice]

do you have any idea how slow it moves with 3 on

[true goblet]

well if the tank isnt moving itll work

[copper ice]

yeah if no one shoots it

[fervent rose]

if i stay in first person for the entire duration of the game i am not moving the turret quickly

[true goblet]

its in the back of the map bro

i drone strike wildcat campers all the time

[gleaming oriole]

Doesn't matter. Yeah my reticle moves faster in 3rd person but I still have to wait for my turret to rotate it's slow ass into alignment

[arctic grove]

I hate that it moves slow but I also understand a fast moving drone with 3 c5's on it would be annoying as a vehicle player

[true goblet]

wildcats get tbagged ALWAYS

dnc

[fervent rose]

it does matter though, swapping to 3rd for large macro turret movements is what i have to do on pc

[arctic grove]

im back from the shitter

[gleaming oriole]

Bro C5 drones were cancer

[pine roost]

that isn't a problem with the turret sens then since that's just the speed of the turret

[fervent rose]

^ yea theres a max turret speed and we all share it

[arctic grove]

anyways add m16a1 and I will actually play this game

[arctic grove]

thats what I said, I understand why they're slow but I hate it 😎

[next onyx]

Yeah vehicles on roller isn't any different on PC due to capped turn rates on both ends.

[gleaming oriole]

It might make a difference for you. But when you do it on console you still have to wait 2/3 seconds for your turret to catch up to your reticle.

[arctic grove]

YOUR SKULL IN THE JET DOESN'T NEED A CAP

[arctic grove]

on turning speed*

that sounded more extreme than what I wanted to say

[copper ice]

I wouldn't have an issue with this if APS didn't exist

[next onyx]

Lol what?

[naive quiver]

Hmmm 89.99 for nitro yearly is worth it ?

[arctic grove]

the first person sens :c

[fervent rose]

back then nobody abused APS anyway because of air vehicles. the c5 drones on top were a nightmare for ground vehicles

[copper ice]

no

[gleaming oriole]

You can't do it anymore iirc

[arctic grove]

ain't there like ways to get it cheaper or smthn (official ways not scammers)

[copper ice]

excellent

[fervent rose]

nah it was even worse, air farming

[copper ice]

wait you're right

[fervent rose]

god the air farming

[copper ice]

horrible

[true goblet]

whos idea was it to put flak on the latvs man

[copper ice]

a genius

[true goblet]

spammable ass jeeps

kill one and 3 more spawn in

[copper ice]

fuck them aircraft

[arctic grove]

Anyone played Fallujah btw?

[fervent rose]

any thing that kills aircraft is excellence

[arctic grove]

Felt pretty raw to me

Had to refund

[true goblet]

bro just let me do my nightbird mastery in peace

[copper ice]

no

[fervent rose]

that game's youtube hype is hilarious. it looks so fucking bad

[copper ice]

you chose violence

[gleaming oriole]

They need to nerf the grenade launcher on the transportation heli and the condor.

[true goblet]

i was 22-0 in my bird the beginning of my last game and went down to a JEEP

a JEEP

why god

[copper ice]

what else is going to kill a nightbird

[true goblet]

clearly you havent played as a nightbird

[copper ice]

god knows infantry cant

[true goblet]

oh yes they can

[arctic grove]

Ig ppl like it cuz theres no other recent authentic middle eastern shooters on the market

[gleaming oriole]

I feel I speak for everyone here when I say FUCK NIGHT BIRDS

[true goblet]

nightbird gameplay is literally a bullet hell

lissiles from all angles

i still hear them

[arctic grove]

but jets

[true goblet]

i have flashbacks

[pine roost]

it's something the realism fanatics can go and play

[true goblet]

how can you hate us birdie pilots when those nasty stealth copters exist

[copper ice]

and like a bullet hell anyone who can fly trivialises lissiles

[arctic grove]

a realisitc stealth jet in a video game would be unbalanced to say the least

Either way I was disappointed and just played it with a feeling of "Wow is that it"

[gleaming oriole]

Because jets are still garbage that's why

[arctic grove]

got like 54 minutes on it and requested a refund

[fervent rose]

players in nightbirds must suffer the same fate as the rest of us. they get to die randomly to things outside of their control

[true goblet]

then the lockons, and the jets, and the wildcats, and now even the goddamn JEEPS

[next onyx]

Yo Chaos'd SCAR is fucked.

[fervent rose]

so is chaos 12m lmao

[true goblet]

if ur a jet losing to a bird skill issue

[fervent rose]

that thing is fucked

[arctic grove]

Chaos'd SCAR?

[fervent rose]

chaos mode

[arctic grove]

what's chaos mode :(

[fervent rose]

you get bonus velocity on every gun

things BEAM

[arctic grove]

oh increasing bullet speed?

[fervent rose]

theres also increased player movement speed

and a few other little tweaks i dont remember

[arctic grove]

adhd gamemode

[gleaming oriole]

Jets are ass. Night birds have way too much mobility for the lethality they have. No other air vehicles outrun AA missiles

[fervent rose]

vehicle hp i think is increased

[arctic grove]

your strafe sucks :D

[true goblet]

little birds are so overhated. theyre only good in good hands, and even then you cant fly for 30 seconds without getting locked on by some glue muncher

[arctic grove]

I disagree.

How many seasons does this game have now

[true goblet]

5 soon 6

[fervent rose]

they are properly hated and its nice to see a battlefield have options to destroy those nimble fuckers

[arctic grove]

1 more confirmed 2 maybe

Do you guys think incendiary launcher is worth it on Mav or Crawler? I love using it but thats just me

[arctic grove]

And whats new

[gleaming oriole]

Jets can't strafe..... Lol

[arctic grove]

go up look down WHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[true goblet]

feels like a new game from launch, they readded classes, new vehicles, lots of maps

[arctic grove]

Very nice

[true goblet]

pretty steady bf game rn

[arctic grove]

Im glad ure enjoying

[true goblet]

idk what kinda birds you play against that outrun missiles

lockon is a death sentence for a bird, low health pool

[gleaming oriole]

You do realize jet steering still hasn't been fixed... Your jets randomly stalls out and you can't turn at all

[arctic grove]

wow

[fervent rose]

jet aiming is also horrible the reticle is way off

[true goblet]

if you dont have flares your only hope is to drop low behind something and hope the missles hits a tree

[arctic grove]

I really don't understand what you mean by that :|

[arctic grove]

wdym

[fervent rose]

some guy made a portal mode that proves it

[arctic grove]

Ya know those AA LAV were quite fun when I tried them

[fervent rose]

the in game jet reticle is way off

[arctic grove]

I play jets regularly and I don't see these problems

[true goblet]

i dislike you

[arctic grove]

Whys that

[gleaming oriole]

When you fly a jet. The controls will lock up randomly. You won't be able to turn or anything. It causes most to crash. Jets aren't even useable right now

[true goblet]

i am the lardass and i speak for the nightbirds

[quiet shell]

I just noticed some of the skins have sound effects tailored to them.
Falk and Crawfords skins with Exo-legs have robotic sounds as you run

[arctic grove]

WHAT this hasn't happened to me

[arctic grove]

Whats a nightbird?

[quiet shell]

and McKay's scraping skin with metal toe covers makes a clinking sound as you run and walk on hard surfaces

[fervent rose]

https://twitter.com/HiebDE/status/1670888642653351944 check that out

[naive quiver]

Dice removed jet but keeps specialists, what’s the toxic thing is it

[true goblet]

the best part of 2042, you can rain hell and fire upon the rice fields

[arctic grove]

I spawncamped all the enemy aircraft in a game, quite fun

[true goblet]

can dice do something about jet ramming

[arctic grove]

@true goblet I thought u said the game was solid

[gleaming oriole]

Lol jets are terrible right now. They suck ass

[arctic grove]

Whats going on

[true goblet]

solid like a shit

[arctic grove]

Hmm I guess I have seen myself adjust to where the bullet is actually going a few times

[gleaming oriole]

Fuck night birds and jets being broken are the few things me and yo agree on

[arctic grove]

I never thought it was a reticle issue 🤔

[arctic grove]

At least it isnt like that soft baby shit

the family photo

[fervent rose]

its like no wonder people are missing their strafe runs with jets

[arctic grove]

https://youtu.be/RtJ2iWVUsBg

[fervent rose]

the basic crosshair doesnt work

[gleaming oriole]

I can garuntee it's not intentional. Jet steering is broken right now

[arctic grove]

That

[arctic grove]

I don't know this one.

[true goblet]

OH YES IT IS

ur telling me a jet does 3 flybys and barely misses my heli

unintentionally

4th time it hits me and we both go down

[arctic grove]

idk what it is but if you hit them just right you get away alive and they die

[gleaming oriole]

No it's not. The steering will literally stop working in jets randomly. I've crashed into trees because the game wouldn't let me put up.

[true goblet]

ping does that sometimes to my helis

i start doing flips and shit

[gleaming oriole]

I loved jets in 3&4. They suck so much ass in 2042

[reef cedar]

battlefield moment

[arctic grove]

i absolutely HATE how you can never tell if you can break/gothrough a tree or not

because the trees you can break/gothrough and can not look the same

(helicopters)

[gleaming oriole]

The equivalent to the building in Shanghai dropping on your tank and you don't die but get shoved through the map

[next onyx]

That's annoying.

If my team actually held out I would of hit a 200 bomb.

[rocky kraken]

yo so

when is alex gonna add a suppresor to the ntw

🙂

Big fricking suppresor needed for the BFP

[dusk falcon]

that blows up killing you with the debris

[rocky kraken]

that all people within 20 meters

[dusk falcon]

nah you die but they take damage

[rocky kraken]

just by pulling it out

[arctic grove]

Everything feels like ass compared to BF3 and 4, and the game is like 10 years newer wtf 💀

[rocky kraken]

i thought they were gonna like completley rework jets

but no

[runic maple]

Guys

[rocky kraken]

yes bloby

[kindred flint]

Kinda a skill issue tbh ngl

[runic maple]

Idk if this is a glitch

Or very good timing but

Can you tell me how i got these first two kills

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/VAE4MC6YHF

[rocky kraken]

way is showing me de wae

t1 BFP

:0

[runic maple]

Bruh

[chilly jacinth]

what are they even doing

[rocky kraken]

theres also quite a significant bug

in the game

[next onyx]

Humping the ground.

[runic maple]

Did you guys see my clip

[chilly jacinth]

human centipede

[runic maple]

Please explain to me

Wth happened in it

[naive magnet]

Is that number in the top left corner your ping? The game seems really laggy to me

[rocky kraken]

lel

netcode gave you the first kill

[chilly jacinth]

you hit em in the head

[runic maple]

It dousnt feel like it

[next onyx]

Desync.

[runic maple]

Ohhhhhh

[chilly jacinth]

its cause moving and shooting the deagle makes the bullets go out the barrel weird

[rocky kraken]

theres a bug where if you do a tactical reload, you can still reload another mag after

[runic maple]

That actuely makes a lot of sence

[rocky kraken]

unless that has been there

[quiet shell]

Okay did DICE actually nerf the G57 cause I CANT TELL

[rocky kraken]

they did

[quiet shell]

Literally performs the exact same as before

[chilly jacinth]

you reload another round for your barrel

not a bug

[rocky kraken]

has that always been a thing

[chilly jacinth]

yes

[runic maple]

Guys

I think i have a weird problem

[rocky kraken]

season6 two maps

[chilly jacinth]

since like bf3 or 4

maybe even before that

[runic maple]

I cant hit anything exept drones

[fervent rose]

yes, the burst groupings are less tight

[quiet shell]

I don't believe that for a second

[fervent rose]

i wall tested it

you can believe whatever you want

[rocky kraken]

i can feel it

its worse

still good tho

[next onyx]

Chaos just doesn't feel earned.

It feels like the SCAR is a 3HK.

:|

[runic maple]

Does anyone know how to get good at sniping

[chilly jacinth]

point and shoot at the head

[runic maple]

X-box sniping

[fervent rose]

lt rt

[chilly jacinth]

not any different

[runic maple]

https://www.xbox.com/play/media/BKUTGCJD84

This is my sniping tho

[next onyx]

Guess the reason why everything kills so quick is because of the velocity.

[runic maple]

Sniping is hard

I feel like being a level 119 should make me atleast a bit better at hitting heads

[next onyx]

I'm a rank 381 and I'm still bad at sniping.

[runic maple]

Huh

So sniping is just hard

[next onyx]

It's really not easy to get in to.

It's fun to learn but it's a lot of pain.

[runic maple]

Do you atleast have a gun for me to start at

[next onyx]

I usually resort to it if it's really needed.

[arctic grove]

who tf is buying so many boins

[fervent rose]

i like the gol magnum the most

[next onyx]

As in like a sniper to start off with or just a gun you can get in grips with.

I'd heavily recommend the GOL because it just works.

[sick eagle]

the ram without the top turret looks cursed

[fervent rose]

but the new xce bar is basically the same thing

[runic maple]

Sniper

Ok gol it is

[next onyx]

SCAR is the way.

[runic maple]

Whats a good secondary

[patent path]

boinilionaires

[next onyx]

The GOL just works better the TTS Exceed.

p125 if you have a good trigger finger.

Shorty 12g if you don't want to put into any effort.

[arctic grove]

nah but like what are they spending it on lol

[robust vapor]

https://streamable.com/en9sjt
I found a potential advanced player 🙂

[arctic grove]

there's like 5 good skins in total

[next onyx]

Deagle if you can hit your shots.

[fervent rose]

deagle, g57

shorty 500 is cheese but it works

[runic maple]

Ok here we go

Day uno of only sniper

Ill give you guys markers of my progress on sniping

Wish me luck

[copper ice]

use sws and masterkey and you'll forget you were even sniping

[fervent rose]

also if you're gonna be doing silly long shot sniping on conquest i suggest the railgun Rorsch

why compensate for bullet drop when you can aim right at their head

[copper ice]

rorsch is better than other snipers in most scenarios tbh

[fervent rose]

haha railgun

[copper ice]

20 mag, no bolting, just click hold click hold click hold

gets 6x thermal

what more do you need

the pressure from a rorsch guy plinking at you is higher than a boltie

[kindred flint]

Slow wifi but let me guess, sweating with an unbalanced SB M5 while molesting the crouch key which somehow doesn't massively throw off your accuracy?

[next onyx]

IT'S THE SCAR.

And it was chaos'd.

So it flew a little faster?

I dunno.

[fervent rose]

he crouched like 4 times max in that whole clip

that's nothing

[copper ice]

way only crouching 4 times ? Did you shatter your kneecaps

man the deagle is nutty

look at that beast

[fervent rose]

if 4 crouches in 11 seconds bothers people i should never record my crab walking

[copper ice]

pocket ZH

macro to spam crouch

[fervent rose]

that would trigger the slowdown if its a max input spam

but i guess you could macro crab walking at a slower rate. idk i dont use macros

[copper ice]

All natural crab action

[quiet shell]

DICE refuses to nerf this gun

[next onyx]

It's Chaos'd.

It's why its damage is all wonky.

And velocity is super fast.

And they were injured.

[fervent rose]

chaos makes all the guns basically Rorsch bullet velocity

[jovial jay]

anyone just got disconnected?

[fervent rose]

scar when it's nearly hitscan is disgusting

[jovial jay]

I got d/c and Game ended, all players disconnected

[proven obsidian]

damage wise, same as before

just added a weird "sway" while continued bursts

still the best side arm

[copper ice]

wait

they didnt stop it from 1 bursting with a single headshot?

[proven obsidian]

🙂

[copper ice]

of all the fucking things to chang

they dont do the most relevant one

[proven obsidian]

Don't count on DICE to much for actual and proper nerfs - they either don't wanna listen to the issue or will apply nerfs here and there while avoiding the point

like

nerfing the whole ARs

[copper ice]

it is actually insane the decisions they've been making with 2042

did you see the videos showing how the blanket AR nerf broke the ac42

[proven obsidian]

nope

can you link me ?

[copper ice]

lemme finf them again

[chilly jacinth]

it should be working properly now

[robust vapor]

Kar 98 Sniper is quite painful to play

:))))

[copper ice]

that it broke at all was ridiculous

[chilly jacinth]

kar feels awful to use

[copper ice]

showed they didn't test or just thought it was acceptable to completely shitter a gun

[robust vapor]

it feels better with iron sights instead of scope

[glossy chasm]

Honest question : are people still playing this game ?

[robust vapor]

at the very least it has a better bullet velocity compared to No.4

[limpid pond]

Love how they finally added the gas mask skin I've asked for but added it for mackay

[robust vapor]

but the bullet drops real quick

[proven obsidian]

Playing is a strong word brotha

Suffering* is better suited

[glossy chasm]

Lol

[proven obsidian]

It is like... sad to say but...2042 is the best FPS at the moment

i'm not even kidding ...

[arctic grove]

nah minecraft is the best fps 😎

[proven obsidian]

Players needs to raise their standards back up

the genre is already shitting itself -

[next onyx]

@copper ice You talk about testing. I thought of an idea.

You know how the CTE is technically no longer.

[fervent rose]

yes unfortunately it still does an insane 28 damage out to 30

[arctic grove]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-server-this-is-now-an-armored-core-themed-server-gif-26370378

[fervent rose]

ac42 does seem fixed tho

[proven obsidian]

i'd love them to make a good BF. Not a mid one, not a bad one. A good one. It is not complicated really...
Also bringing back the CTE will help them tremendously

but hey.. it is what it is

[remote kiln]

decent amount of people yeah

[next onyx]

What if there was an in game - game mode that would give us a test of the changed content outside of maps and actual new content?

Then it'd be pointless.

[arctic grove]

enough play it that even in my region you can get a match without problems :D

[next onyx]

But I was thinking some sort of in game test.

[remote kiln]

maybe in season 1, it's way too late

[next onyx]

And reasons for us to play it.

[remote kiln]

a CTE in season 5 is a total waste of time

[fervent rose]

they talked about that in the last podcast Way, they have that internally at least

[copper ice]

they're not interested in our opinions on it

or internal consistency

[fervent rose]

but they dont wanna let us get in the weeds on that

[proven obsidian]

Yeah. 2042 is not the focus now. I was speaking about the new entry

[next onyx]

Oh yeah I stopped listening midway to the podcast.

[copper ice]

or they'd fix PBX cqc ammo

[next onyx]

The PBX will be fixed when they give it back its HS multiplier.

[fervent rose]

hush they need to fix other cqc ammos not ruin the pbx

!

[rocky kraken]

i dont think the topic was good for a 2042 podcast

gave us no info we wanted

[fervent rose]

pbx cqc ammo is the only thing going for it now

[rocky kraken]

which is kinda scary

[copper ice]

in a dream land where they make ammo actually relevant the pbx cqc would be the example by which to go by

dice would never do that though, which means it continues to be a drastic outlier

[fervent rose]

they dont understand how to properly add a CQC type to other guns

either its just busted or nobody uses them

[proven obsidian]

Maybe unpop opinion but ammo type were a mistake.

[fervent rose]

m5 and rm68 as examples for the former

[rocky kraken]

they werent a bad idea

poorly executed

and way to hard to distinguish between

[proven obsidian]

It adds so many layers to balancing - I don't like them. Stick to one type and balance it off like usual

[fervent rose]

plus system created a mess of content bloat and poor balancing

[next onyx]

Worst balanced thing is short barrel.

[proven obsidian]

I actually like the idea behind the Plus System but ... heh, doesn't fit this game at least

[next onyx]

I can deal with every other part.

Just not that.

[fervent rose]

i think putting a drum on a scarh is a very goofy decision

[copper ice]

which leaves us with 3 options:

1. They don't know it has the wrong values; this is bad because it would mean they have no fucking idea what their own game is doing

2. They don't care because the average player doesn't know; this would be bad as it means they make changes based on perceived public sentiment and that's an ass way to balance a game

3. They cant fix it; frostbite programming brother

[proven obsidian]

drum and not grip option...

like bruh my SCAR

😭

[next onyx]

If they just made it so that short barrel increases spread.

It'd be balanced.

That's literally all you need to do.

[copper ice]

sorry velocity only

[next onyx]

It's the reason why the RM is so fucking stupid.

[copper ice]

this is clearly a worthy trade

[fervent rose]

it technically does that but its so pathetically slight that factory barrel feels the same

[next onyx]

I only ran the stock suppressor on the RM because it just didn't feel cheese.

[fervent rose]

and then you try to use extended barrel with its horrible extra recoil.. nah

[next onyx]

And then the instant I hit 10K for it.

No mroe RM.

I stay SCAR enjoyer.

[copper ice]

like scar is much better!!

[proven obsidian]

The 2nd option - they don't value good players feedback as much as the rest. Besides some really broken things (mouse input or recoil bugs), they just don't listen. The RM68 is a good example of it. High skilled players told about it since the season playtest. Yet they waited S5 to "fix it" (still strong btw) and with that, nerfing the whole category by doing the wrong thing.

[fervent rose]

yea i think of them as the same gun for the most part

[copper ice]

the rm68 was transparently OP to get people to buy season skip

[runic maple]

Ok guys

[copper ice]

horrible business practice

[runic maple]

I did one match and i already hit a nice clip

[jovial jay]

Bruh the matchmaking system piss me off, its putting me in the same dead lobby for the 9th time

Wtf

[fervent rose]

they are tragically reliant on whatever internal data systems they use

[next onyx]

Could just say its pride but the SCAR just doesn't feel cheesy.

[copper ice]

just browse the server br- hold on

[next onyx]

If it had more recoil I'd be on board.

[rocky kraken]

quick question, does anyone know if suppresors sound different on differeng guns?

[jovial jay]

Lmao yea

[rocky kraken]

or are they the same sound

[edgy oriole]

when it does that its best to play a round of another game mode and it fixes. game forces me to play conquest 2 times a week minimum

[fervent rose]

uh, yea?

[jovial jay]

Had there been a server browser with Queue function it would have been nice

[proven obsidian]

I don't usually agree with that kind of statement. They make money nontheless. They are just...on high horses sometimes. Good players are at fault too (self included) because we are voicing STRONGLY our opinions and feedbacks. There is a way to do it. I know about it but I grown tired of it. Because i'm doing it since ...BF4.

[proven obsidian]

Yes. Unfortunately

[copper ice]

There is literally no way they didnt know the rm68 was OP

They made it, they have the stats

[next onyx]

Yeah Wrapped and 6KU sound different.

[copper ice]

On paper it is OP

[jovial jay]

I've been trying to do conquest 64... For 30 minute

[next onyx]

The RM is just the SCAR with a short barrel.

[jovial jay]

Same dead lobby

[next onyx]

Really that's just it.

And that pushed it over the edge.

[jovial jay]

BRUH CMON

[copper ice]

In practice it is OP

[fervent rose]

every season has had one OP gun, though this current one is just a sidearm

[next onyx]

I hate the pp29 but at least it doesn't have the velocity or the HS multiplier.

Is the deagle really that super bad? Hm, I guess taking 75 damage is really bad but I just don't feel like it's terrible.

[copper ice]

short barrel is fucking dumb

[next onyx]

Season 3 wasn't so annoying.

[proven obsidian]

I think taht they don't test it internally as much as the players do during season playtest for content creators. But still... they were aware from the start and waited too long to do something (and they did the wrong thing).

Classic DICE moment

[fervent rose]

well look at the deagle compared to bfv's mark vi revolver

[copper ice]

You don't need testing to know its OP

[next onyx]

245 RPM.

To 266.

[fervent rose]

more damage. red dot sight. higher 1 tap headshot range. more bullets per reload.

[next onyx]

Which...

[robust vapor]

https://streamable.com/ge3tz2
@topaz field I realized using the controller lets me have more kills for the DM7 as compared to using it on a mouse and keyboard

[next onyx]

Yeah.

[copper ice]

Rm68 is blatantly OP from conception to release

[proven obsidian]

Yeah pretty much

[next onyx]

I don't mind that side arms pushed the power levels.

[jovial jay]

They seriously need to bring back server browser for their main game mode

This is ridiculous

[copper ice]

The first wave of nerfs hit multiple other guns including the new SMG but not the rm68

[rocky kraken]

at least make map voting

[next onyx]

Sorry to excuse but at least the deagle isn't super spammable unless close range.

[rocky kraken]

for christs sake

[copper ice]

They were avoiding nerfing it on purpose

[arctic grove]

Can't wait for next season and battle pass skins and everything

[fervent rose]

again its a sidearm which keeps it from being less noticeable

[copper ice]

There's literally no logical explanation other than it was purposeful

[proven obsidian]

Took them 2 years to implement 64 / 128 p with the full rotation (not Exodus or some bs)

[next onyx]

G57 was so rampant.

[fervent rose]

it's nowhere near launch BSVM broken, but yes the deagle is broken in the sidearm category

[proven obsidian]

I'm sure we will never get back a server browser

[low timber]

Way, do you like the chair?

[next onyx]

Chair feels good.

Did you see the clip.

[low timber]

No

[next onyx]

Oj wait.

[copper ice]

the webley in bfv was sick as fuck as well

[next onyx]

I meant to respond KEK.

Good lord Marse.

[copper ice]

the deagle being it but better in every way is nutty

[fervent rose]

and they gave us a webley 2.0

on crack

[low timber]

Lol, bot didn’t like that

[next onyx]

Deagle has massive spread and recoil at least and you can only spam it at close range.

That stops it from being overwhelming.

At least?

[copper ice]

266rpm on a 2hk sidearm is nuts

[chilly jacinth]

and even then bullets sometimes go into the void

[next onyx]

It's big.

[chilly jacinth]

even at close range

[next onyx]

Sounds like you're getting shot at by an SVK.

[fervent rose]

i dont understand why it has a 20m headshot range

[limber orbit]

the visual recoil if ads is nuts

so its fine

[next onyx]

Probably wanted to do something unique.

[copper ice]

because big pistol xD

dont you remember bf4

everyone loves bf4

[fervent rose]

i guess but the 75 damage to the body is unique enough

[copper ice]

use the gun from bf4

[next onyx]

Do I seem a bit too... apolagetic? I feel like I am but I'm just trying to add possible reasons.

[copper ice]

75m 2hk on a pistol is pretty fucking good

[next onyx]

As long as it disregards armour that's fine.

[fervent rose]

the m there was a typo

[copper ice]

obliterating heads on top is saucy

[next onyx]

it's already the best gun in the game.

[fervent rose]

whats its 2 hit range way?

i dont remember

[low timber]

Deagle?
Cqb 40m
Hp 50m
Iirc

[ebon pilot]

we lost this

[next onyx]

39 with close combat, 49 with high powered.

[proven obsidian]

Hmm the Deagle. Hot topic. I don't like the damage model on it but hey, at least i can play something else

[next onyx]

AH.

There's milki n my fireball.

xP

Ah spicy.

[proven obsidian]

Visual recoil on deagle is ass tho

[fervent rose]

also they made the fusion dot extremely terrible to use on the deagle

[next onyx]

It's not just visual.

It's massive vertical and horizontal with tonnes of spread.

[fervent rose]

for some reason

[copper ice]

49 is still nutty!

good grief

[patent prism]

You definitiely need to tell the whole story of how you lost that.

[proven obsidian]

Yeah there is a little kick but the visual one is waaaaay too strong

[fervent rose]

like when you turn quickly to the side the deagle's fusion dot does not stay close to sight center

its icky

[proven obsidian]

I'm still waiting to get my Red dot back on the M16

DICE pls

[fervent rose]

so i guess that at least makes it less easy

[proven obsidian]

They removed the portal one 😭 they just left the kobra

[patent prism]

What... I don't... Huh?

[ebon pilot]

nobody else knows either

It's the Jack of All Trades portal mode, the current mode was Conquest, and we were doing pretty good until suddenly it told us we lost

[proven obsidian]

Skill issue i guess ?

😭

[arctic grove]

a Dozer running at you is the scariest thing

[patent prism]

Time ran out?

[ebon pilot]

normally when time runs out in conquest whoever has the most tickets wins

[patent prism]

No comprende

[proven obsidian]

I find it funny how Dozer gone from the worst to one of the best specialist in one patch

[next onyx]

@copper ice

[ebon pilot]

could've pulled a s5 trailer moment and thrown your anti-tank grenade

[unique shoal]

ya'll played CE yet ?

[copper ice]

I thought you were about to kill someone with a harmonica in the thumbnail

[next onyx]

uwu hawmowonica

Lemme show you something hilarious.

[proven obsidian]

stop

[copper ice]

that rpg is beautiful

[ebon pilot]

#battlefield-2042 message

yeah

[proven obsidian]

You can't uwu while mod

[next onyx]

Look at how quick the fucking tank got annihilated.

[copper ice]

The hipfire on rpg looks so tight

[proven obsidian]

[next onyx]

Nor can you stop me.

[quiet shell]

"Dozers buff didn't make him OP"
Also Dozer: Clears out an entire entrenched position of 10+ people because he moves to fast to be shot in the back.

[next onyx]

Cunt took three rockets within a 2 second span.

[proven obsidian]

1v1 Rust

[copper ice]

My God

[next onyx]

Ok!

[copper ice]

It actually died

[fervent rose]

"omg why isnt the tank pushing"

[proven obsidian]

One of us will get his IP leaked

[quiet shell]

Tank won't push because DICE can't balance tanks

[next onyx]

I know you'd like this. I thought I was dead but he saved my ass.

[fervent rose]

new AT grenade has just increased the tank stay away phenomenon

[copper ice]

27 damage
24 xp for damage dealt

[ebon pilot]

are we posting all our "shoot enemy vehicles out of the sky with a rocket" clips?

[quiet shell]

I hope the way vehicles are designed are rebuilt from the ground up

[proven obsidian]

wait GODFIRE. Isn't that Dcisiv's people

[copper ice]

yeah as glad as i am to see more AT tools this was not the correct way to do it

[chilly jacinth]

why not

[fervent rose]

because why push out of the safety zone into instagib deaths?

[next onyx]

Why push when you can be a rat abusing HEAT anyways.

Fuck HEAT.

[arctic grove]

lMFAO

[copper ice]

rpg is clearly just a boon to the game though

[fervent rose]

the breakthrough boundaries completely protect tanks

[arctic grove]

if you spawn on a team mate

[copper ice]

this fills me with glee

[arctic grove]

when the match has ended

you can still fire your gun

freest 5 kills of my life

[quiet shell]

I'd love for someone at DICE to explain why the game prioritizes loading the enviroment before it loads the player models. Cause I just love joining a game and only seeing red dots

[chilly jacinth]

youd fall through the floor

if it didnt load

[copper ice]

half the classes have EMP, 3 of them have c5 and can solo you, Mackay and squirrel can instagib you, AT nade now is bonus AT burst at close range

[quiet shell]

ah I see, a classic from DICE. Can't get the game to load properly so it tells you to get fucked

[copper ice]

they should have reduced c5 ammo to 2 with the introduction of AT nades

[fervent rose]

or at least made it 2 of 3 max

if rpg is 2(3) why not c5 yo

[quiet shell]

That's too surface level of an oversight, DICE is all about oversights

[proven obsidian]

I do more work as a Recon with C5 that the whole 20+ engineers on my games - please don't 😢

[copper ice]

c5 had to be 3 ammo because the game had no AT nade on launch and your other gadget slot was a spec gadget which normally does minimal to 0 vehicle damage, so c5 was the only consistent close range damage dealer
with the introduction of more methods to damage, c5 should have been scaled back

this is basic game design

[copper ice]

this is also how bfv did it

because it just makes sense

god forbid dice does anything that makes sense

they get a foot in the door and then trip over it

irish APS still protects vehicles super well, rpg having less ammo on spawn makes APS even better vs them, but there's even more things to instakill you up close in a vehicle

[wild marlin]

double xp weekend?

[copper ice]

they just can't balance more than 1 thing at a time so they'll never fix the game

it requires multiple things to change at once

[topaz breach]

Errands are done for the day

All that's left is to pass time with BF2042 until my new headset arrives

[fervent rose]

i find it very funny that they basically didn't nerf irish aps + tank much at all

[jovial jay]

holy crap I just made an arch nemesis of sort, I've been playing as wildcat, been shooting down this guy's nightbird like 3 time, then he got so pissed off he took a RAM and drove straight to me

[copper ice]

I do not

[fervent rose]

they should have made it one aps per irish

[copper ice]

the irish nerf was literally the worst possible way to nerf him

[jovial jay]

and continue to spawn camp any wildcat that appear, BF players are mad

[copper ice]

does almost nothing to change irish tank campers, gimps it severely for infantry purposes (where it's actually necessary)

[wild marlin]

that change was made cuz irish was too good at fortifying

[fervent rose]

irish aps is just conceptually terrible

the bf4 aps didnt block hand grenades

irish aps blocks EVERYTHING (except c5 and stuff people dont use like emp)

[wild marlin]

you wouldnt like battlefield 2042 without it tho

[quiet shell]

It was fine before, I don't know why DICE has to fuck with shit that isn't broken

[copper ice]

all they needed to do was stop it blocking launcher shots and maybe reduce it to 1 APS placed at a time

[wild marlin]

its actually kind of an inverse compared to bf4

[next onyx]

As messed up as it sounds.

I'm glad assault doesn't have EMP.

[copper ice]

it already had EMP countering it

[next onyx]

Because as a Zain I could abuse it hard.

[proven obsidian]

I killed 2 dude over and over on the same flag for 10 minutes straight while they were insulting me in some Italian - was funny as hell

[fervent rose]

nobody uses emp so its not much of a counter

[next onyx]

(Funny about the lack of balance huh)

[wild marlin]

it only takes 1 guy

who knows what hes doing

[proven obsidian]

Of course, the t-bag was deserved

[next onyx]

Well it is a hard counter but it's not a common one.

[wild marlin]

and the irish becomes ineffective

[copper ice]

i did as soon as they changed it to break APS and it helped a ton

the issue was they didnt mention it in the fucking patch notes

[fervent rose]

its just not a satisfying gameplay loop to be forced into running an emp nade specialist just so i can push into irish territory

[copper ice]

so no one changed because no one KNEW

[fervent rose]

might as well just run in as dumbass dozer

[quiet shell]

Balance doesn't exist at DICE. It's all about what lets them farm in the game. They even admitted to it in their inside battlefield

[jovial jay]

That dude drove full speed straight and shot all his missiles at me, it was quite a scary sight

And I was like on the other side of the map

[proven obsidian]

Vehicle players are the easiest to piss off

[inner ether]

Ah yes, Friday, when an already unbalanced mess becomes unplayable as every Battle Dad and soldier child comes online to play

[quiet shell]

Honestly the Inside Battlefield podcasts have been a huge rescource for seeing just how far DICE has to go to recover from their brain drain

[patent pivot]

have they even acknowledged bringing back old content

[proven obsidian]

If PC - remove crossplay but the average skill level is atrocious so prepare yourself to carry the game most of the time

[patent pivot]

aside from classes

[hot hazel]

vehicle players the second u shoot them they retreat to the whole other side of the map

[copper ice]

satisfying gameplay loop and 2042 don't go together

[fervent rose]

yes thats what i keep insisting

and its all specialist garbage related (besides the maps)

[inner ether]

To avoid Lissiles, you have to

[proven obsidian]

^this

[copper ice]

it really is all down to the specialists

[quiet shell]

You mean "Legacy" features? Yeah they do the bare minimum to bring them back

[copper ice]

such fucking awful decisions made for skin dollar

[patent pivot]

the future of bf is far beyond bleak

[limber orbit]

lmao

[inner ether]

vehicles have to be passive because there's a C5-carrying squirrel that can drop in on them at any time. And some madlad Canadian with a zipline.

[next onyx]

I have fun learning the SCAR again but... Nothing beyond that.

[copper ice]

c5 breaks vehicles fundamentally

[proven obsidian]

Waaaaaaaait, do you mean specialists were and still are one of the core issues ? NOWAY

[inner ether]

No, mobility of 2 specialists is the problem.

[copper ice]

they dont have the agility to dodge triple c5, let alone with squirrel and mackay existing

[fervent rose]

like why does irish aps block hand thrown smoke grenades

[inner ether]

C5 has been nerfed already, it used to be much worse.

[fervent rose]

someone explain that to me in a way that makes sense

[patent pivot]

at this stage, we rely on modders to make some absolute senses with the old games

[copper ice]

spawning with enough c5 to solo a vehicle is also an issue

it should be 2 of them not 3

[inner ether]

It'd be fine if it wasn't for the fact that they can FLY to you or ZIPLINE onto you

[copper ice]

nerfing it once doesnt make it balancrd

[inner ether]

If they couldnt then there'd be a risk involved

[copper ice]

it means originally it was just even worse

[limber orbit]

i guess that would encourage ammo crates

[inner ether]

C5 is fine. Sundance and McKay are not.

[copper ice]

being able to solo c5 a tank with 3 out of 4 classes is an issur

they are not fine

[quiet shell]

I hope Vince Zampella has done his research and knows exactly what we want from the next Battlefield game

[proven obsidian]

I maxed out all AR's now idk which one to play - playing some LMGs as I usually avoid them in any fps (RPT is busted)

[copper ice]

as a vehicle theres a 75% chance any infantry can shit c5 onto you and instagib you from max

[next onyx]

Try the RPL 20 as an Engineer.

And beam people.

[proven obsidian]

the what now

[next onyx]

Crouch and fire as an engineer.

Decreases the range.

Err.

Spread.

LOL.

[copper ice]

2 c5 would still do a ton of damage to vehicles, it just wouldn't be an instant death sentence without other damage on top

dedicated AT users could still bring emp nades or AT nades or AP 40mm

[proven obsidian]

Ohh right - the "class" passive. I mostly play Recon so erf. But I know how to pul down so it's fine.

[next onyx]

As someone who runs C4 purely for utility. I rarely get the chance to get close to a vehicle.

[fervent rose]

engineer's proficiency: crouch/prone give you bonus accuracy on LMG

[inner ether]

if you couldnt kill a tank with the C5 you carry there'd be no incentive to use it or even try to get close

[copper ice]

we have multiple methods of AT damage now

[jovial jay]

Also has conquest 64 always been featuring bf3 maps?

[inner ether]

Using it shoudl be a high risk thing because you'd normally have to run up to them on foot, but with Sundance and McKay it isn't.

[next onyx]

I can't rely on dickhead teammates.

[jovial jay]

I just took a break from breakthrough

[copper ice]

c5 already has mad utility, it doesn't need to solo tanks from the front armour

[limber orbit]

to my knowledge yes

[elfin coral]

“Ackhsually, it’s the RPT-31” ☝️🤓