battlefield-2042

[dawn cedar]

not everything has to work

[safe bramble]

Specialist are just aspects of classes hardcoded into a person

[humble helm]

What did they do that worked

[dawn cedar]

not everything has to be the greatest achievement ever or be the new pioneer of mechanics

[humble helm]

Tell me

[dawn cedar]

i feel like you are not listening at all

[humble helm]

One thing they did better than their usual

[dawn cedar]

and just want to argue

[safe bramble]

This guy clearly never played a good cod

[humble helm]

A good cod smacks the absolute shit out of 2042, a bad cod still competes

I say this as someone who isn't even a fan of the series

[dawn cedar]

because they refuse to go against the established formula

hello?

[humble helm]

Because their established formula is what people like

[dawn cedar]

they also release one every year

[copper ice]

specialists feel like they were designed for hazard zone and poorly retrofitted into standard gameplay; they give off the distinct scent of trying to copy hero shooters because those skins sell better so it's driven by profit rather than being a well done game mechanic
The.. what, the tornado? The thing thats exactly the same on every map and poorly implemented with no other events because they immediately gave up on it? Yeah conceptually not a bad idea but good god they fucked the execution up so badly it just makes me wrinkle my nose at how poorly it's done every time I squat on the ground because of another nado
the zones are objectively stupid because you're just split running between two flags apart from you dont even own the obj without both of them. its where all the action is but it's literally always tactically more viable to ignore them for single flag objectives, which makes for boring gameplay

[safe bramble]

Not a surprise 2042 went against battlefield expectations and then got shit on for it

[sturdy socket]

RAILGUN TANKS WERE NECESSARY YES

[dawn cedar]

i will fight you

[copper ice]

there's something to be said for good ideas with poor execution; thats generally how i describe BFV

2042 feels like bad ideas with bad execution on top

[humble helm]

Mario, one of the most if not the most popular franchise in history, almost entirely focuses on similar formulas to their previous games, but can actually put a fun spin on the mechanics

[sturdy socket]

ENJOY AIR AND GROUND POWER BEING FUCKED IN THE ASS WITHOUT LUBE BY A TANK THAT WINS EVERY FIGHT

WOOOOOOOOOOO

oh and you can't aps its shots

gl

did you put paint in your fucking cereal instead of milk or something

[copper ice]

i really want 2042 to be decent but it doesn't even try to utilize its unique points well

the game feels like it's embarrassed of itself

[humble helm]

Battlefield did it right from the start, granted it had hiccups but every other one but 2042 is great in its own way

[sturdy socket]

while it was a great and necessary step, the removal of post-game voice lines are a good example

[copper ice]

i cant agree with it being great in its own way unfortunately, it's got (somewhat) polish and basic qol of new games compared to shooters from 20 years ago but literally every other aspect of it is a 2/10 for me

[dawn cedar]

i wouldnt say expectations, people have the weirdest love boner for bf4 even tho it was broken on release for 7 months, if you are a vehicle player, your game is in black and white for 99% of the time, every gun was a laser, you can igla relock to bypass flares, etc etc

[humble helm]

Because the game didn't stay bad

[copper ice]

what the fuck were they even thinking with those lines though? How do they fit the setting? The atmosphere? Why do they exist? What on earth were they fucking doing???

[sturdy socket]

I'm not overconfident! I'm just better than everyone else.

[humble helm]

It wasn't fundamentally dogcrap like 2042

[sturdy socket]

no fucking idea what they were doing but removing them entirely was a very good idea

[dawn cedar]

more people would be playing it if were good

[sturdy socket]

new does not automatically equal good

[copper ice]

They set up some hardcore climate earth fuckery with intense merc action and then they have this stupid fucking holly jolly after round schlock like its generic f2p shooter number 5 million

It blatantly contrasts it's own design

[sturdy socket]

"the game is bad because it doesn't have that many people playing it"

that's not sound logic

[humble helm]

Not considering how many sequels there are

[sturdy socket]

bf4 still plays great today

[dawn cedar]

thats literally the guys own logic, scroll up to the whole tf2 conversation

[copper ice]

Really makes me feel like they had a bunch of people from higher up giving orders for shit based on whats profitable in the industry currently

[safe bramble]

Dude is making a population argument against a 10 year old game lmfao

[humble helm]

Granted I use the same logic but it even comes down to people's feelings on the game

[safe bramble]

Bro bc2 had more fun than 2042

[humble helm]

Tf2 is beloved and negative talk about it usually isn't more than a few things

[dawn cedar]

bc2 was hot garbage dude, fun for its time sure, but its a giant mess

[safe bramble]

LOL

[humble helm]

With 2042 it's hard to say anything that isn't a complaint

[sturdy socket]

what do you mean, don't you enjoy tanks in 2042? where you get constantly focused by people who lock mackay and sundance to c5 you?

and where rockets are overabundant?

without thermals?

[copper ice]

i wish i could compliment 2042 but i cannot think of a single area of the game that i dont have issues with

the soundtrack is pretty nice i guess

[sturdy socket]

you must just suck at the game if you can't deal with 64 people spamming the same c5 at an elevation you can't return fire at

like jeez

[humble helm]

Not a good thing in this game a previous game couldn't do better

[carmine rover]

meow

[safe bramble]

Yea, pretty nice for setting the music slider to 0

[dawn cedar]

the previous game was bfv what are you talking about

[sturdy socket]

i already muted the music like 2 months ago

i despise that main menu track

[copper ice]

I have a million issues with bfv but I love fortifications and reinforcements and I can see the concept behind a bunch of stuff it did that I enjoy even if I think it was executed horrifically badly

[sturdy socket]

WoooOOOOOO woooooooOOOOOO

[arctic grove]

same here

only thing I admire was AI bot

[sturdy socket]

woooOOOOOO woooooo WoooOOOH

[humble helm]

Bfv is better in every way but exploiters and I'll stand by that

[arctic grove]

but that's tossed aside

[humble helm]

At least the poorly implemented features weren't awful even on paper

[copper ice]

I can't name a single thing in 2042 that I think is even conceptually a good idea and then it's executed badly on top of that

[sturdy socket]

should have just put an electric guitar variant of the bf4 theme and called it a day

because the music is atrocious

[copper ice]

no actually good point the main menu theme sucks

so i guess thats my only positive turned into a negative also

[sturdy socket]

if there was a setting lower than mute I'd use it

[thick wharf]

SHUT THAT OFF, NO ONE LISTENS TO THE MUSIC

[copper ice]

decent map themes or whatever dont matter if your main menu music sucks because thats 90% of what people will hear

especially when you return to the main menu EVERY SINGLE MATCH

[sturdy socket]

i know i shit on this game a lot and so does everyone else, but there are both so many things missing from this game that it needs for balance and yet has so many things that entirely shouldn't exist

people are pissed for a reason still

tor is a prime example of what SHOULDN'T exist

thermals on vehicles is a good example of what SHOULD

[humble helm]

Specialists too

[copper ice]

the tor is fantastic because i cant imagine it balanced in any way while functioning as a railgun tank

[sturdy socket]

you're telling me futuristic tanks like the m1a5 DON'T have thermal sights, yet old tanks like the M1 Abrams do in 4

[copper ice]

it just doesnt work

[humble helm]

BFV's combat style mechanic was leagues above it even if it wasn't great

[sturdy socket]

i do like that the actual tanks in 2042 are squad friendly and 4 seaters

[elfin coral]

this season's music on the other hand

[sturdy socket]

but the fact it gets completely outmatched by a tor makes it never worth using

[elfin coral]

[sturdy socket]

you can have a full tank of 4, in a fair fight where both players have APS, the tor will always win

[elfin coral]

[sturdy socket]

1v4, the 1 wins because his railgun shots always pierce APS

and because the tor has access to aps as well, whose systems CAN block normal tank shells and anything the tank can throw at it

[copper ice]

tor gunner gets an emp nade too

[sturdy socket]

that too

[copper ice]

so he can shut the enemy tank down entirely

[sturdy socket]

and air power is just a joke

there will always be some s400+ fucknut camping on a hill in his own spawn just entirely shutting down air

and there's nothing you can do about it because he's in his spawn

you can't even cheese with c5 because you have 10 seconds to leg it or get shit on and he's so far back in his spawn you don't have a chance

it blatantly ruins game balance and should not be in the game, period

[copper ice]

what if we gave a tank the highest velocity of any weapon in the entire game and also made it fucking annihilate anything it hits in 2 hits maximum

[sturdy socket]

i don't care how many losers grinded to tier 1 and cry because they can't go 60-0 while camping the back of the map being unkillable

it should not fundamentally exist

[dawn cedar]

sounds like MAA crayon munchers

[copper ice]

maa is inferior to TOR

the pinnacle of balance

[dawn cedar]

MAA is for when you are to low for TOR

[sturdy socket]

at least you have a chance of destroying them, SOMEWHAT

maybe if the attack heli had TV's for the gunner it'd be a lot better

unless you're referring to 4

[copper ice]

MAA is genuinely worse than TOR for MAA purposes

[sturdy socket]

^

[thick wharf]

wHY DOES IT CRASH SOME TIMES IN BETWEEN ROUNDS?

[copper ice]

your range is drastically lower with MAA

[dawn cedar]

Attack Heli has to land 10 zuni's + 1 Tow to kill it, good luck with that, if you dont kill it on your first strafe then they are at full hp again on your next

[thick wharf]

Why dx12 errors?

[copper ice]

tor gets better the further away it is

[sturdy socket]

i can do it all the time with my pilot

assuming he hits his tow

but at least you have a chance and don't get oneshot out of spawn before you can even react

[copper ice]

good luck landing any rockets on APS tor lmfao

[dawn cedar]

or Irish

[sturdy socket]

he's referring to MAA i think

is he

[dawn cedar]

but yes im talking about MAA

[copper ice]

thats my point, MAA doesnt get APS outside of irish

[sturdy socket]

don't fucking give the devs ideas

[copper ice]

tor gets it on top just to really rub it in

[dawn cedar]

every MAA main runs irish

[humble helm]

It's like they're throwing random ideas into water, but their ideas are hydrophobic

[sturdy socket]

it's already aids enough to not have TV's and have to kill AA's even with a heli duo

in an apache or hokum

[copper ice]

every vehicle main runs irish because he is hilariously overpowered for vehicles right now

the nerf isnt going to change that

[humble helm]

Removing specialists could help

[sturdy socket]

makes me wonder why every tanker in 4 didn't use support + aps

[dawn cedar]

im sure there will be a day 1 exploit of picking it up and placing it down to reset it

[sturdy socket]

oh wait

VEHICLES DIDN'T HAVE ONBOARD REPAIR

mp-aps in 4 is basically never, ever used

you NEED the repair tool to stay alive

[humble helm]

Even in bf1 at least tanks couldn't move all the while

[sturdy socket]

not to mention, anything that wasn't a rocket or shell didn't damage tanks in 4

[dapper river]

nah they'll just make it so you can't pick it up and have to wait for the ability cooldown to place another

[sturdy socket]

unlike this game where people spam the sph and their grenades because it deals damage for some reason

meanwhile in 4 the 40mm for Assault will deal like, 12 on a rear hit at max

[copper ice]

1. You are absolutely correct holy fuck
2. You don't even need to do that because you can still place 2 APS at once; put one slightly behind the other, the first one will cover you for 5 seconds, the next one will cover you while the first recharges

that leaves a 2.5 second window where you're vulnerable

where you can use your vehicles APS to cover it or just take the damage and repair

if they even have any fucking rockets left to shoot at you lmao

lis sure wont since she only gets 2 rockets before a 30 second recharge

[dawn cedar]

they never do 😦

[humble helm]

Dice: "use the time wisely"

never balances the game

[dawn cedar]

if they ever give nightbird a tow, i will lose my mind and that will forever be my main vehicle lol

[copper ice]

this is assuming everything goes perfectly for the attackers as well

[sturdy socket]

gotta love also how they made the only dumbfire in 2042 the equivalent of the AT4 in 4

it flies unbelievably fast

you hardly have to predict shots anymore

[humble helm]

They should just make guns hitscan at this point

[fiery shoal]

I’ll be honest. I have no idea who you are

[copper ice]

high velocity rockets just make everyone feel bad because they're consistent for chip damage but dont do enough damage to confirm kills and the bigger issue you have to be BORIS

[jovial tusk]

remember when we ahd the argument with somsoen complaiing about

[dawn cedar]

https://i.imgur.com/hcYuosv.png just a salty vehicle main

[jovial tusk]

sundancee with c4 was more op

[fiery shoal]

That’s daily for me

[jovial tusk]

then a helicopter xD

[fiery shoal]

Uhh vaguely remember that now

[fickle wharf]

ay yo masterkey slaps

[jovial tusk]

yea

[fickle wharf]

i thought it was garbo

[jovial tusk]

i added u n yea

[copper ice]

2042 is a magic game because it manages to make vehicles both horrendously overpowered and feel bad to use at the same time

[sturdy socket]

you'd love the gunner seat in the apache, brother

where your shots don't hit where you aim

and the shots that do hit deal like 38 max

good luck killing 2 people without overheating

oh and no thermals either

[copper ice]

why use an attack helicopter when the transport heli exists

[dawn cedar]

i think they were only op at very start, and it was limitied to the nightbird rocket pods.

[copper ice]

30mm cannon? pssshhh fully automatic 40mm nades

[sturdy socket]

you make a good point, but anti-vehicle purposes

actually scratch that

stealth heli just beats it anyway

[copper ice]

what were they thinking what were they THINKING

[sturdy socket]

:)

[copper ice]

surely they're paying someone to think

[sturdy socket]

i liked the side miniguns in 4 on the transports

they actually SHREDDED if you could aim right

[dawn cedar]

atleast the 30mm's could kill someone, now it takes the entire overhead just to kill a single guy

[sturdy socket]

but the 2042 minigun is so gross

[dawn cedar]

overheat*

[dapper river]

miniguns don't need to spool up to fire in real life, they can fire immediately. why do games keep doing this?

[dawn cedar]

balance

[copper ice]

the tor is horrendously OP, all helis are too strong because flares exist and dumbfire damage to aircraft is limited to other vehicles or lis, lis is a massive pain in the ass and also has shit dps, its all just bad design compounding on other bad design that makes everything worse

the shit overflows and mixes with the garbage

[sturdy socket]

what do you mean? don't you love a helicopter flaring, locking on, firing, and the helicopter having enough time to flare before the rocket even hits?

[dawn cedar]

flares dont realy matter being strong when the only one that it matters for is the nightbird, else there is nothing you can do about wildcats and their 650m lockon and stinger spam

[dapper river]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[dawn cedar]

the rest of the helicopters are literally dead if you are caught in any area without flares

[copper ice]

lock on to heli
lock on is interrupted by invisible wall
lock on to heli
fire
it flares
wait for flare to run out
wait for flare to run out
lock on to heli
fire
it flies away at almost the same speed as the rocket
flares before rocket hits it

[fierce gull]

the death animations feel goofy

[copper ice]

this is insanely time consuming as infantry and gives you literally no pay off

[dawn cedar]

so you are stuck in a super engaging loop of pop flares, hide till they are back up, pop up for a split second and flare again

[humble helm]

I would've preferred source engine ragdolls

[copper ice]

with flare recharge being so fast thats no biggie

[dawn cedar]

i can assure you that flares do not regen as fast as you think they do

[copper ice]

you can pump your load and dump flares every recharge

i have stolen multiple enemy hinds and not died while sitting in the open because they recharge fast enough that i can facetank shit

its a lot better with the health nerfs, i have to actually sit behind a wall for 3 seconds before the flares recharge now

and still are conpletely untouchable

[sturdy socket]

this video is still so relevant today, man

[copper ice]

yeah you cant tell me flares dont recharge as fast as i think when i watch that

[granite island]

Wdym they're perfect

[keen karma]

try again

[humble helm]

Only flares every 15 seconds, no foreseeable issues

[granite island]

Turn Into a ragdoll and slide across the map

[dawn cedar]

that video is old. but ok

[humble helm]

It's still like that

[copper ice]

it's still like that

[dawn cedar]

you dont play the game

[humble helm]

Maybe you're not playing the right game but idk

[copper ice]

i have done that multiple times in helis

[humble helm]

The game is called Battlefield 2042, developers DICE, publishers EA

You play that one?

[copper ice]

flare first rocket, fly opposite direction, pop flare again before second rocket hits me, facetank third rocket because they're out of ammo now and i can just heal it

[dawn cedar]

then you must be so much better than me, teach me a thing or two

[copper ice]

they achieved making me move sideways for a bit while they wasted a whole minute they could have been killing people or doing obj

im not good at flying helis

95% of my heli deaths are crashing into shit

because nothing else can kill you in them but wildcat and tor

[humble helm]

What I find funny is that you're the only one who has rose tinted glasses for the game

[copper ice]

infantry being this bad against aircraft is horrible

[spare quest]

skill issue

[dawn cedar]

you just sit here trolling in a section you dont even play

[humble helm]

Although I do

Strange how that works

[copper ice]

nothing he's said this conversation has been trolling at least

[dawn cedar]

they have been at this for hours, every day

[copper ice]

yeah but he's not doing it now

idk what he's like normally

[humble helm]

If I wanted to troll I'd compliment everything about the game

[humble helm]

I usually just have remarks about the game, good or bad

[copper ice]

a crime punishable by having 2042 in your life

[humble helm]

I defend it because I like it, but I also understand that it's super goddamn flawed and won't deny it

[copper ice]

i wish i could like it

[humble helm]

It's got potential but it would take years to be as good as Achelous says

I don't play it as much as I talk about it but I know I'd hate it if I did

[copper ice]

that would require them also making those changes

the Irish change is enough for me to know it's fucked

they didn't fix the vehicle camping issue with this nerf at all

its worse but not nearly enough

[humble helm]

I've got confidence it'll eventually be good

[haughty compass]

any chance helis will get somne speed boost

or manuverability?

[copper ice]

god fucking no lmao

[haughty compass]

attack choppers are like flyuiong turds

and those railgun tanks sniping from base as well

[dawn cedar]

prob only in going up and down

attack chopper loses the verticality game for whatever reason

[haughty compass]

those things are coded by some son of indigo conceived in moonless night on cannabis field with broken condom

[dawn cedar]

but yeah if someone has a hardon for you with locks you cant play the game with attack heli's

[haughty compass]

you cannot even get to target quickly like you used to in BF4

when diving and skimming the ground would give you more speed

this thing just flies vertically

90 degree angle

7th grader knows that much physics

[dawn cedar]

just play nightbird

[sturdy socket]

the apache/hokum needs it

the other helis, no

[spare quest]

skill issue

[sturdy socket]

right now the helis lose a bit too little altitude when dropping lmao

not to mention the flight assist

needs to be a toggle optionn

absolutely gross

[safe bramble]

After 2000 hours of intense apache in field experience, I have had the pleasure of taking my skills to 2042 and finally becoming super hind bait, because they can outclimb me

[spare quest]

again, skill issue

[safe bramble]

Blocked issue

[spare quest]

[chilly jacinth]

i mean it has super in the name

of course its better

[safe bramble]

Yes a transport vehicle outperforming a attack vehicle mmmmm yes

[spare quest]

he just can't get good

[keen karma]

when season 5

[chilly jacinth]

3 weeks

[sturdy socket]

shitty bait

[spare quest]

I didn't know that he's so sensitive

[sturdy socket]

you really couldn't be more unfunny if you tried

anywho

it's definitely no secret that the balance is skewed lmao

[spare quest]

[cosmic sequoia]

when do we get season 5? any word

[spare quest]

we don't have an exact date yet

probably a few weeks after this season ends

[cosmic sequoia]

when does the season end?

[spare quest]

in 17 days i think

[cosmic sequoia]

gotcha, thanks

[kindred flint]

its may 20th and PEOPLE ARE STILL RUNNING THE 50MM ON TRANSPORT

[arctic marsh]

Such quick
I thought it will happen somewhere in august 😄

[spare quest]

Nah

They wouldn't let us wait that long

[humble helm]

Because tinnitus isn't fun when it isn't 50 times in a row

[low timber]

There, got my first T1 vehicle, EBLC-RAM

[arctic grove]

delete SPH rn @.DICE

[kindred flint]

I barely even see it tbh

maybe im just killing all the assault sweats before they can use it

look its not my fault theyre stupid and walk into my stream of rpt bullets

[meager girder]

Cus it’s broke

[arctic grove]

[kindred flint]

for 90% of the pilots in the game, its a trash weapon for them

spawned into a transport over the B cap on 64p breakaway and had probably a dozen enemies i could have farmed with the nade launcher

[spare quest]

if you wanna farm kills as transport heli gunner you need the grenade launcher

[kindred flint]

randoms cant fly well enough to let you use the 50 🤷‍♂️

[spare quest]

fact

[kindred flint]

couple with no splash, long reloads...cant see it actually being worth ever having equipped on your heli

[spare quest]

the 50 is great against other helis or jets

[meager girder]

and tanks

[kindred flint]

not to mention you can chunk enemy vehicles with it so for balance reasons it shouldnt exist on a transport

[meager girder]

ofc

[fiery shoal]

ive not played a whole lot recently, but i can only recall dying to it like... twice a game

[spare quest]

it used to be much worse

[meager girder]

But the devs are insistent on long ranging the shit out of vehicles

[kindred flint]

so yes i hate to use it because its annoying af, but also its just dumb for balance

[meager girder]

same reason why most tanks and latvs can sit in the back

Tank gameplay in 2042 resembles wot more than actual gameplay

[kindred flint]

dice should really think about adding a second engineer to the game in s5 ngl

lis is lonely in that category

[spare quest]

Lis is the perfect engineer

[meager girder]

No they shouldn’t

[spare quest]

AT mines + TV rockets

just op

[kindred flint]

with how little i see ammo boxes/angle crates...i just cant run another engineer lol

plus guided rocket is balanced.tm

[spare quest]

yeah it's fine rn

but i wouldn't mind a 50m+ range buff

[kindred flint]

lets settle on an even 100 just to make it nice

whats the longest distance corner to corner on a map?

yeah make the rocket fuel last about 10m shy of that

[still vault]

currently leveling Lis to tier 1 before DICE regrets making her T1 obtainable 😄

[spare quest]

I had her T1 long before they made it easy

[arctic grove]

That’s thanks to two friendly specialists

[sour meadow]

i can't wait for all the war thunder players to migrate to bf for vehicle combat

[spare quest]

was a fun grind

[sour meadow]

mfs gonna use wildcat's 30mm to try and kill tanks

[arctic grove]

“Why isn’t this ammo racking them bro wtf”

[sour meadow]

"this game trash. i can't instantly kill an MBT with 30mm"

gaijin literally telling their playerbase they're idiots

oh well

more free kills for us

[keen karma]

I played war thunder and got bored

[sour meadow]

how much we wanna bet season 5 teaser is shown this week?

[sour meadow]

i never played it but i watch a lot of videos about it. apparently the devs just came out and did some really shitty stuff

[arctic grove]

War thunder is the game ever

[sour meadow]

indeed

[keen karma]

what is the point

[arctic grove]

Very grindy in later tiers that pushes you to buy premium but it’s the only game with the selection and mechanics it has

[kindred flint]

gaijoobles currently annoyed theyre shitty game is getting review bombed

[sour meadow]

market cornered
now monopolize

[kindred flint]

dice/ea -"first time?"

[sour meadow]

gaijoobles lol

gai-pubels

i think a season 5 reveal will be this week or the next

[iron light]

I love playing Rush XL

[keen karma]

and

[sour meadow]

they love playing rush xl

[iron light]

It’s great for T1 farming

[vast igloo]

AAAAA I don't know whether to pay for an Ea play subscription to continue playing bf 2042 or buy a new game.

[copper ice]

this happens every 10 hours with war thunder

[keen karma]

I love that the squad management will not be able to kick players

[copper ice]

new game

[spare quest]

portal t1 farming even better

[copper ice]

god i cant believe they won't buff boris

[keen karma]

helicopter farm 50,000 xp per game dont kill

[spare quest]

xp is worthless

also farming t1 also gives you lots of xp

[keen karma]

Hardcore and xp farm servers the great experience

[spare quest]

no need to join public farms

[dawn cedar]

so after doing some testing with the attack heli, since the tow only does about 30 damage to tanks, you literal best option is to just sit at range and spam smart rockets, since they do the same damage as zuni's just lower fire rate lol...

[vast igloo]

@copper icewhy

[arctic grove]

I use 127mms for light vehicles and infantry

AA missiles for cheeky jets and other helis

[copper ice]

if you buy a game you will own it

[arctic grove]

Air vehicles are a no go to try to kill in tanks in general

[dawn cedar]

yeah but the attack heli's main role is anti armor

attack heli cant dogfight without tv's

[arctic grove]

if only we had those

[spare quest]

it can

[iron light]

Portal doesn’t work for me, none of the kills count 😢

[dawn cedar]

i dont consider spamming IR's dogfighting lol

[spare quest]

it does work with certain codes

[arctic grove]

TVs were a bit annoying in BF4 for dogfights tho cause you could basically 1 shot

[copper ice]

good

The easier things die the better

[arctic grove]

I’d say it is better if they at least put ya down from full HP to critical

[iron light]

I’ll probably only do the portal maps when I’m going for my Throwing Knife T1

[safe bramble]

thats what they did

tvs did 90 dmg to helis

not 100

[arctic grove]

Oh okay, mb

[foggy hazel]

hm

[safe bramble]

its why heli duos ran ecm/fire extinguisher combo

[dawn cedar]

but yeah, as it stands, you literally cant do anything about stealth heli's or nightbirds in attack

[copper ice]

attack is the bottom of the pile

[dawn cedar]

if they get on you, you dead. cant even out climb them

[copper ice]

Loses to all vehicles and isnt good against infantry

[dawn cedar]

i mean, they are supposed to go for vehicles not infantry

bf4 they just happened to be stupidly op

[copper ice]

dice design moment

they should have a missile for the gunner position

[dawn cedar]

as i see it, attack heli's = anti armor, littlebird = anti infantry

[copper ice]

30mm just puts it in a weird place

[chilly jacinth]

as it is

littlebird is anti everything

[dawn cedar]

ye

[chilly jacinth]

and attack heli is a free kill

[dawn cedar]

i have almost 7k kills in a nightbird for a reason lol

[haughty compass]

regular attack choppers

are simply stupid with manuvering

[copper ice]

tfw the transport heli has better gunner position than the attack heli

40mm mulches infantry 50mm dunks on vehicles

[dawn cedar]

maybe they will make some changes to it in season 5, who knows

[haughty compass]

and being gunner on thos e2 is just waste of time

there will be no season 5

[copper ice]

attack chopper 30mm is a shit midpoint

[haughty compass]

4 seasons + post season

[copper ice]

they've said something about vehicle loadout changes

[dawn cedar]

yeah on one of the podcasts

[haughty compass]

but that railgun tank

needs rework as well

it's just stupid

ppl camp on vbase w it

[copper ice]

you can camp anywhere with it

[spare quest]

https://twitter.com/BFBulletin/status/1658934356348395522 do you mean this

Battlefield Bulletin (@BFBulletin)

DICE is looking to provide more details on how they're addressing the "prevalence of explosive weaponry" in #Battlefield2042 starting with the vehicles next week. The first changes will come from there. They're aware there are other areas they can improve down the road.

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Twitter · May 17, 2023, 8:35 PM

[copper ice]

it's horrendously long range

[dawn cedar]

railgun tank wouldnt be an issue if we had attack jets and tv's

just sayin

[copper ice]

I didn't see this lmfao

jeez

I'd love to see those details considering they opened the "prevalence of explosions" by nerfing irish

[haughty compass]

think I'll just DL good old BF4

and go play that

[fervent rose]

its gonna be a funny fucking month with irish nerf

[haughty compass]

even maps here suck

[fervent rose]

not nerfing the explosives too

[haughty compass]

map design is horrible

[copper ice]

irish nerf dozer buff

the only way to survive is the shield now

[fervent rose]

sph is still some of the dumbest shit of all time

[haughty compass]

when is next BF title coming out?

[copper ice]

all dozers 24/7

[ebon pilot]

nobody nose

[dawn cedar]

he says as he downloads bf4 to sit on golmud 24/7 servers

xdd

[fervent rose]

its gonna be a while

[haughty compass]

never liked golmud.

or metro

but even golmud is way better compared ot these maps

you can at least fly away from AA

not crossing border

😄

here you have to leave combat area to dodge it

and who came up with idea of 2 AAs per team? 😄

guess someone got harassed hard by heli in prev titles 😄

[copper ice]

They tend to be good at that

[haughty compass]

and still no changes to squads 😦

how hard is it to fix GUI and squads?

like spend less time on drawing skins and spend some on fixes?

[spare quest]

imagine

[arctic grove]

They do, have you read how long patch notes tend to be?

[haughty compass]

mate

[ancient peak]

Fucking Tors man

[haughty compass]

it's s4 ending

and we basically beg for funcionality that been there since day 1

[arctic grove]

That’s true, but they have absolutely also been fixing bugs

[haughty compass]

damn

we need old bf dev team

😦

[safe bramble]

POV: you played attack heli and lived for more than 5 minutes, now the enemy has an AA and TOR sitting in spawn

legit cant do shit at that point, its so gross

[haughty compass]

ti's not about me playing heli

[safe bramble]

2042 is the embodiment of infantry players coping over the AEK not one shotting tanks

[haughty compass]

even when I go out to C4 that mofo

I cannot do it

[arctic grove]

Once you get someone to deliberately start targeting you it’s all fucked

[haughty compass]

coz guy simply sits on his spawn

[arctic grove]

Especially with how much range the Wildcat has now

[safe bramble]

yup lmfao

[copper ice]

2042 is one of the worst games for infantry anti-vehicle tools

[arctic grove]

600 meters of fuck off range

[safe bramble]

can't count how many times i raped an AA player just for them to use liz at random points

[copper ice]

asides from lis who lives in this weird realm of shit dps vs tanks and transport helis but one shots the other aircraft

[safe bramble]

i don't think its a coincidence the tor, AA, and stealth heli users all abuse lis when they get shit on by a better heli player

dice probably disabled any meaningful server mods in servers since all of them would be removing tor and lis, and we wouldn't want that for balance!

[copper ice]

remove tor and lis and aircraft shit on everything other than wildcat

theres layers to dices godawful balancing

op tool beats op tool beats op tool shits on infantry

[safe bramble]

nah wildcat and heli should be on equal footing like bf4

it depends who has the better aim / tactics

not "haha i lock aa, suck dick in spawn all day"

thats toxic

[copper ice]

wildcat is overtuned for sure right now but it's also shit vs infantry and vehicles

[safe bramble]

it should

bf4 aa couldn't do shit against any ground armor either

[haughty compass]

but it was decent against infantry tbh

[arctic grove]

It’s a miracle the wildcat gets 2 anti armor and infantry cannons, bf4 AA just had the normal 25mm cannons

25/30 I think?

[safe bramble]

you could tell which guy got bullied in bf4 considering in a 128 server you can have 1 heli but 3 aas

[copper ice]

why should heli be on equal footing with AA when its also better against other ground targets and has drastically higher mobility

[safe bramble]

thats disgusting

[haughty compass]

it should not be on equal footing

but

[arctic grove]

Funny enough portal maps have more vehicles on smaller maps

[haughty compass]

it should not be flying brick

[dawn cedar]

There used to be 2 heli + nightbird in transport air slot, but infantry players bitched and moaned to much

[safe bramble]

helis are alot more prone to locks, have specific launchers targeted, lack the same cover and require alot of tandem tactics

[haughty compass]

right now attack heli is easiest air target to shoot down

[copper ice]

if wildcat picks cannons other than the 30mm then its shit against aircraft

[wide shore]

M5 recoilless go boom

[haughty compass]

I don't even need LIS to shoot it down

[fervent rose]

except when you abuse sundance and deliver c5 from the sky in a way that the vehicle player cant predict. gotta love that

[dawn cedar]

Like people forget about the whole soflam -> kit switch -> m5 shit you could do solo.

[haughty compass]

carl gustaf

[copper ice]

flares are ludicrously powerful right now
lock on launchers are the weakest they've ever been in any battlefield

[safe bramble]

flares aren't the issue, its the counters to them

[haughty compass]

nobody needs soflam when AA can cover entire map

[safe bramble]

flares take as long as ecm in bf4

[fervent rose]

the engineer launchers are terrible. and theres a major lack of ammo crates

[safe bramble]

but the counter options like javelin suck cock

[copper ice]

i dont really consider sundance infantry at this point, they're like.. a living 4000lb bomb from bfv

[abstract otter]

Sure but we have a man portable TV missile that’s infinitely refills

[wide shore]

Javelin can only lock onto aircraft with a soflam

[dawn cedar]

flares are active 7 or 8 seconds and recharge in like 15 after depletion

[safe bramble]

yea, and in bf4 that shit dunked vehicle whores

despite that 2042 soflam legit last for like, 12 seconds

[wide shore]

It dunks ground vehicles pretty well

[safe bramble]

yea, thats ecm stats lol

[dawn cedar]

ye just sayin for those that dont know ecm stats

[safe bramble]

without the top-down mechanics through terrain, soflam sucks dick on anything but aircraft

[haughty compass]

also gunner on those hellis is useless

[copper ice]

lis recharge rate is so slow that its genuinely better to redeploy yourself when you run out

[safe bramble]

but javelins are so slow that it sucks regardless

just a reminder

fuck

[copper ice]

what counters flare in this game? nothing

which makes flare the issue

[frail sparrow]

Time

[safe bramble]

SOFLAM, Stingers, AA, TOR.

[wide shore]

If only the tracer dart wasn’t affected by flares

[copper ice]

flare counters soflam

[safe bramble]

just saying

[copper ice]

flare counters stingers

[dawn cedar]

Jet pilot, Nightbird

[copper ice]

tor counters anything larger than infantry

[safe bramble]

also, in bf4 this wouldn't happen

"tor can't counter infantry"
coaxial machine gun:

[copper ice]

the coaxial is ok but not as good as it should be

[edgy oriole]

changed your online persona i see

[copper ice]

all the vehicles suffer from the coaxial being pretty poo

[haughty compass]

I miss good old jav+soflam combos

🙂

[dawn cedar]

the inf would have died the minute the peaked because hur dur shoot the white dot

[safe bramble]

what?

[dawn cedar]

regardless, the jav has the slowest rocket speed in the game

[fervent rose]

the jav is pretty non threatening when i'm in a tank

[copper ice]

the only genuine counters to flare at this point are things that ignore flares, which is just dumbfire/guided missile
helis mobility allows for it to dance around guided missiles better than anything and flares shut down all lock-ons which leave you with lucky recoilless shots, lucky lis shots, the horrendously overpowered TOR and the pretty overpowered against aircraft but poo against ground targets wildcat

[fervent rose]

stinger and jav could both be faster missiles

[copper ice]

jav isnt threatening to anything because lockons are ass in 2042

every vehicle has thermal smoke

[dawn cedar]

"helis mobility allows for it to dance around guided missiles better than anything" literally only nightbird can do this, if you are missing the other 2, thats skill issue

[copper ice]

i am not a good pilot and i could consistently dodge lis missiles in the transport helis

[dawn cedar]

skill issue lol

[copper ice]

not a 100% success rate but certainly enough to avoid dying

[dawn cedar]

most of these lis players dont even know you can push shift to boost the rocket

[fervent rose]

ye there has to be multiple really good lis players for it to be threatening

[frail sparrow]

I miss bfv amd bf1 where it was more skill/aim based infantry vs air instead of the lockon/counter spam

[fervent rose]

the hind dodges really well

[dawn cedar]

flieger?

[spare quest]

panzer

[copper ice]

condor is a much fatter target but can still swing itself sideways to dodge

small arms fire should hurt helis tbh

then you can go wild and give them higher damage

[arctic grove]

⁉️

[copper ice]

living in my dreamland where vehicles all die fast and make other things die faster

titanfall has ruined me

[frail sparrow]

Eject!

[fervent rose]

vehicles really should be glass cannons

[copper ice]

dumping a full AP lmg into a heli and having it do less damage than plinking a titan with the alternator makes me cry every time

[fervent rose]

the idea that anti vehicle weapons dont annihilate vehicles is weird as fuck to me

they do, actually

[copper ice]

either things dont do anything to vehicles or they fuck them irl generally

[fervent rose]

modern anti tank stuff rips right through tanks

[dawn cedar]

thanks, next game, all the jets are starscreem and can transform between titan and jet

you did this

[copper ice]

i unironically think 2042 would have been better in every single way if the aircraft turned into titans

imagine condor but instead of vtol mode it just landed and started punching things

[frail sparrow]

Hope they make a bf2142

[fervent rose]

the 2042 maps are unironically large enough for titans

[dawn cedar]

2143*

[copper ice]

the prototypes for titans were in the last bf4 DLC and we get NOTHING

[fervent rose]

a titanfall titan would have no problems navigating these maps

[copper ice]

It's heartbreaking

these maps would be a fucking tone paradise

[dawn cedar]

prob a gameplay nightmare, or intended to be behemoths like in bf1

[copper ice]

just more effort than it's worth

they barely had functioning vehicles on launch

the only thing they added was hovercraft and they fucked that up catastrophically

[frail sparrow]

We had litteral hoover tanks in bf4 dlc and now the most advanced stuff is some tonk able to sit down and play with magnets

[copper ice]

give it a year and they add the TOR, which is the most poorly balanced vehicle they've ever made

[spare quest]

remember the JU88 with 64 bombs

[copper ice]

It's agony, man

[frail sparrow]

Together with ze early spawns on arras it was glorious

[spare quest]

[copper ice]

the JUBBA wasn't a vehicle that was an act of god

[spare quest]

fun days

[copper ice]

The TOR mocks you with it's traditional tank shape and your belief you could just kill it .. somehow... if you could just get close...

you didnt even SEE the JUBBA

god decided you and the surrounding 50m radius no longer belonged on this earth

it taught you about the fragility of man and our inability to reach the heavens

until they added flieger and suddenly we could kill God

[spare quest]

panzerfaust was the best AA because it always kills in 1hit

[copper ice]

The flieger equivalent for anti TOR would have to be a railgun catapult that launches sundance covered in c5 at supersonic speeds

[dawn cedar]

imagine if we still had c5 drones

[copper ice]

the game would unironically be improved if they kept c5 drones

[spare quest]

i miss spawnkilling tanks

[copper ice]

camping tanks would be drastically less annoying

i am always a massive advocate for infantry being able to fight back against vehicles so i hated early BFV for that

but 2042 feels even worse for it

[fresh lintel]

At the same time, a non camping tank wont be a tank long.

[dawn cedar]

can you still put C5 on the EOD bot

[copper ice]

this is exactly my issue

in bfv you either needed 3 dynamite of the back of the tank (you only spawned with 2), 2 dynamite and a piat, or maybe even more if it hit the sides/front

[spare quest]

you could do that?

[copper ice]

in 2042 you spawn with 3 c5 and tossing them at the front of a tank kills it flat dead immediately

[fresh lintel]

You could always put C4 on a EOD

[dawn cedar]

yeah

[fervent rose]

the amount of random chip damage that keeps tanks from moving in 2042 is an all time high

but the main engineer launchers are also bad at anti tank

[copper ice]

which severely hampers their close range potential due to instant death threats from everyone carrying c5 and the chip damage from every single fucking explosion

but at range the engie launchers are dogshit at fighting tanks

[fresh lintel]

And the other issue being that there are characters that can get in close with ease (Sundance and Mackay) and then theres Rao who can at will: Disable your guns.

[spare quest]

now i have to listen to Melancholy, thanks for that

[copper ice]

emp disabling guns flat out should be removed from the game

[fervent rose]

rao truly is the best anti tank because he shuts down your APS

[copper ice]

absolutely horrible mechanic

[fervent rose]

but thats a genuine teamwork thing usually

[fresh lintel]

With no proper cooldown either so you can essentially just get permanently disabled.

Hell, Casper is more balanced in that regard.

He just shuts the tank down entirely.

Vision, Weapons, defensive tools, fucks with movement i think

[dawn cedar]

oh no, you dont remember when casper drone was the one disabling vehicles? lol...

[copper ice]

you need los and it takes a couple of seconds to proc

[fresh lintel]

I started playing Last season

[copper ice]

casper does it from safety

and caspers drone is like fucking 20fps or something its impossible to hit

[fervent rose]

moves around at 5hz

[spare quest]

Rao can make helicopers crash just by hacking them, some players panic and just crash into nearby buildings

[copper ice]

that thing exists in a different dimension

[ebon pilot]

it's like it's meant for ground vehicles or something

[fresh lintel]

Casper also is left exposed and has a cooldown whereas Rao is like

"Nightmare nightmare nightmare"

[dawn cedar]

hey! keep your logic outta this

[copper ice]

casper aint exposed what you talking about

[fresh lintel]

I meant like

[copper ice]

the bushsquatter 5000 is immune to all earthly danger

[fresh lintel]

Casper needs to hide and you lose control of yknow: Defending yourswlf

Rao can pull out his gun

[copper ice]

rao cant defend himself with his little armband up

if anyone jumps you you're boned

[fresh lintel]

Can you not just switch guns?

[copper ice]

yeah but they will have their gun out first

thats generally enough to win a fight in 2042

[fresh lintel]

I mean fair.

But also G57

[ebon pilot]

with the TTK time in this game if someone catches you without your gun out you're probably dead

[dawn cedar]

rm6 xdd

[copper ice]

ttk is super duper low

[fervent rose]

the instant deaths are at an all time high

[carmine rover]

the rm68 needs an ammo buff

give it a drum mag

[fervent rose]

rm68 needs a 100 round drum

[copper ice]

rao also has to like, be in los of the tank

[carmine rover]

ok. not that much

but something like 40

[copper ice]

which is generally not appealing due to tank issues

[fresh lintel]

G57 needs a 200 round drum and a lock on feature

[copper ice]

rm doesnt need any more bullets

less things should have drum mags

[fervent rose]

i should be able to dual wield rm68

[ebon pilot]

give us the smart pistol dice

[fresh lintel]

Drum mags should be banned

[copper ice]

go back to bfv where the model 8 had 5 bullets and strip clip reloads

[fresh lintel]

Yeah exactly pizza

[copper ice]

give me my krag reload back

the most satisfying thing in the world

[spare quest]

average krag enjoyer

[iron light]

Give me flamethrower in BF2042

[fresh lintel]

I wanna see a modern BAR in 2042

[fervent rose]

that works for the era, 2042 makes sense to have more bullets per gun

[copper ice]

boris turret replaced by two g57 wrapped to a stick

[fervent rose]

128 zergs are massive, too

[spare quest]

2042 clearly needs the mg42

[odd yew]

Flamethrower specialist in 2042

[copper ice]

we simply need more death per bullet

[fresh lintel]

We have the MG42 at home

[iron light]

Yes

[copper ice]

less bullets more death

[fervent rose]

oh god you want them to up the btk somehow

[mighty moat]

do we know if we are getting more seasons after season 5?

[fervent rose]

no pls

[slow tulip]

Bf2042 vs COD MW2 which is wrose?

[fresh lintel]

We better

[odd yew]

I don’t think we’ll get any more specialists though

[copper ice]

if you get a headshot with a sniper it bounces off into someone elses head

[fresh lintel]

MW2.

[dawn cedar]

mw2, pay to win skins 🙂

[iron light]

Flamethrower to counter Dozer

[copper ice]

if you shotgun someone their ragdoll flies into someone else and kills them

[edgy oriole]

i would say 2042 is more fun than mw22.

[slow tulip]

BF2042 VS black ops 4 which is worse

[fresh lintel]

And worse balance. And maps. And gameplaym

[spare quest]

wait what

[fresh lintel]

BO4.

[mighty moat]

its not the skin, it's the pack

[odd yew]

[fervent rose]

easily.

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-know-your-place-gif-12886026

[copper ice]

you are coming to the buffet and asking if shit coated garbage or garbage coated shit tastes better

[slow tulip]

BF2042 vs BF1942 which is worse?

[fervent rose]

mw22 core gameplay is poo poo

[dawn cedar]

some of the shit you buy gives you free advantages in the other modes, like starting with a UAV n shit

[spare quest]

lmao

[mighty moat]

you guys sound like an echo chamber when you say it like that. it only affects dmz

[spare quest]

cash grab

[odd yew]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-disrespect-dr-d-2time-back-to-back-champ-20000dollar-pc-5figures-gif-23956601

[dawn cedar]

still a paid advantage

[carmine rover]

please increase range on the 12m auto

[edgy oriole]

already did

[fresh lintel]

Too be fair you can buy gun blueprints which unlocks guns you needed to unlock in DMZ or raidsm

[slow tulip]

People said Hardline is better than bf2042, so COD comparison should be ok aswell

[copper ice]

what we need to do is cut the 880s in half and then give us three of them

[fresh lintel]

So its pay to win 🤷‍♀️

[odd yew]

[mighty moat]

and? it's an advantage for a free mode. i only play mw2

[fervent rose]

i do kinda miss cross mapping people with the 12m

[copper ice]

the comparison is fine they're all just awful games

[slow tulip]

Bf2042 is awful aswell right?

[copper ice]

give the 880s 50m ohk slugs

[iron light]

Try the NVK-S22, It’s a BEAST

[copper ice]

yes

[fresh lintel]

CoD hasnt been okay since Black ops 2.

[mighty moat]

yet people like 2042 in it's current state

[carmine rover]

the s22 reload speed is longer than the ntw 50

[mighty moat]

speak for yourself man

[iron light]

True

[fresh lintel]

I mean I say it as an old CoD fan.

Black ops 2 was the last good CoD.

[edgy oriole]

HARD agree

[fresh lintel]

Everything else has been Okay at best.

[copper ice]

some people like to eat poop
there's no accounting for taste

[slow tulip]

COD is better than newer bf games

[edgy oriole]

i stopped after blops 2 bc i didnt like the way they were taking the franchise

[spare quest]

the nvk-125 is better ngl

[fervent rose]

blops 4 was playable but hero abilities were dumb

[mighty moat]

SpEaK fOr YoUr SeLf

[copper ice]

however i can provide several very large paragraphs about why 2042 is poo

[fresh lintel]

?

[mighty moat]

quite frankly i didnt ask

[odd yew]

[slow tulip]

No need to, rather provide about EA itself and their love for live services and microtransactions

[fresh lintel]

Are you implying that one of the new CoDs is better than BO2?

[copper ice]

if you come to the discord for the toilet game you gotta be ready for poop discussions

[mighty moat]

black ops 3, infinite warfare, black ops 4, cold war, cod 16

[fresh lintel]

Seems like he came in to stir the fucking pot

[spare quest]

cold war was a banger

[fresh lintel]

Thats a big yikes

[slow tulip]

Mw2 is Better than bf2042 by miles

No comparison

[mighty moat]

multiplayer was

[spare quest]

zombie mode? even better

[slow tulip]

Single player makes COD stand out from the newer battlefield

[mighty moat]

no it wasnt. was one of the worst versions of zombies in the series

[violet dragon]

BO3 best zombies storyline and Easter eggs

[fresh lintel]

BO3 was a Hero shooter shitfest. Infinite Warfare was balance nightmare that tried to be Titanfall 2.

Black ops 4 was somehow worse than BO3.

2019 MW was simply bad. Regardless of how much has changed.

[slow tulip]

Black ops zombies was good

[spare quest]

Never had more fun unlocking dark aether

[copper ice]

throwback to cod copying titanfall

those jetpacks were stupid and felt awful to use on console

[fresh lintel]

And pay to win weapons. And a M16 out DPSing High tech space guns.

Or a Spin Fuzor.

[copper ice]

take your finger off the aim stick to hold jump for a whole second

[fresh lintel]

Because apparently its Tribes as well.

[copper ice]

god how was titanfall so perfect

why must god curse us to live in a world where the best game already exists and wasn't profitable enough to ever get a sequel

[slow tulip]

Because it's made by respawn

[copper ice]

this is cruel beyond measure

[mighty moat]

first off, your unpopular opinions are not only wrong, they are factually wrong. infinite warfare was developed off the back bones of advance warfare and black ops 3 (the only other 2 games in the series that has space/futuristic elements) titan fall came out after. titan fall is also a far worse game

[fresh lintel]

Respawn isnt respawn anymore

[copper ice]

respawn stopped being respawn when they made them make a singleplayer star wars dark souls instead of titanfall three; the titans get lightsabers now

[slow tulip]

Vince Zampella is still running the studio

[mighty moat]

respawn was headed by a seldgehammer employee for a minute there

[fresh lintel]

Onpopular opinions yet everytime I speak about CoD games in any friend group or discord its usually unanimously: Black Ops 2 was the last good one.

Advanced and Infinite were Titanfall knockoffs and quite frankly unbalanced piles of shit.

[mighty moat]

lol

you are digging yourself a grave here dude

you said "friend group"

[fresh lintel]

Again, it seems like you're here to stir the pot instead of actually discuss or.. Yknow.

[mighty moat]

you just outted yourself for being in an echo chamber

[slow tulip]

Ohh Vince Zampella now is the head of the BF series, how could he ruin the series. He was in charge of some of the COD games

[fresh lintel]

Did you read?

At all?

[mighty moat]

i'm not, i actually asked a question no one answered and you wanted to hold a conversation you knew was gonna piss people off

[spare quest]

echo chamber, nice item

[copper ice]

hmph. you make a good argument, but you had one fatal mistake; having friends

[fresh lintel]

Lmao rigbt?

[copper ice]

i activate my trap card, echo chamber

[fresh lintel]

How dare I have friends

[mighty moat]

yes yes, my favorite gun in 2069

[fresh lintel]

He reminds me of some Planetside players

[slow tulip]

Is COD better than BF?

[dawn cedar]

if ESF's made remotely any sense to pilot, i would play that game more

[fresh lintel]

I'd say no personally. But they both have their placem

[mighty moat]

depends on who you ask. i think bfv is the best playing game in the series and leagues better than cod multiplayer

[fervent rose]

modern cod? hell nah

but bf isn't amazing either

[copper ice]

i think they are both poo but the glory days of bfv were good

[fresh lintel]

Honestly once you get a hang of ESFs theyre basically the best part of that game

[copper ice]

and then they removed frontline and i never recovered

[fervent rose]

honestly referring to any part of bfv as glory days bothers me

[slow tulip]

COD has a campaign which became pretty much non-existing with the newer BF games

[mighty moat]

back to my question: has any seasons been announced after season 5?

[copper ice]

the glory days of bfv was a three day period before the ttk nerfs where frontline existed in all its glory and i forgot about every issue with the game on marita

[dawn cedar]

i cant get the hang of manipulating hover mode to do all the maneuvers. If they had something that strictly flew like a helicopter i would play that game non stop

[fierce matrix]

BF2042 is the only BF game w/o a campaign lol

[fervent rose]

only glory days were the 3 weeks grind was in the game

[copper ice]

bfv campaign was one of its worst aspect

[spare quest]

[copper ice]

i cant fucking believe grind was in it for such a limited time

[slow tulip]

They ruined it, the game became controversial

[fresh lintel]

Oh like getting into hover mode from flying straight?

[elfin coral]

everything before Bad Company would like a word

[fierce matrix]

well yeah but it was still a campaign

[iron light]

Imagine if the Recon or Engineer class could control the the Ranger they called in, similar to a Lissile or an EOD Bot.

[copper ice]

I remember grind so well

like the impact that mode had for how short it lived

goddamn

[mighty moat]

you can doubt it but i asked a yes or no question

[slow tulip]

Campaigns in bf1 and bf5 were like tutorials

[dawn cedar]

considering in the earnings call they mentioned battlefield, i doubt there will be any new content after what they have in the works is finished

[fervent rose]

i'd play twisted steel grind right now if it was up

they fucked up bfv so hard

[slow tulip]

Then the game is gonna die

[copper ice]

i miss that bridge

[mighty moat]

we dont know when that will be though

[slow tulip]

Classic EA

[copper ice]

i miss that bridge so badly

[fresh lintel]

I didnt play BF5

Or at least much

[copper ice]

it was actually so sad how they mangled bfv

[dawn cedar]

People dont play Bf1 or Bf5 anymore after the next game is release right?

[copper ice]

playing it now just isnt the same game

[fierce matrix]

I enjoyed the BF1 warstories but hardly played BFV campaign/multiplayer

[slow tulip]

COD is so good

[slow tulip]

Because of memorable campaign and good multiplayer

[mighty moat]

5 didnt have a campaign

[fresh lintel]

I'd rather play Quake or UT over CoD.

Or Titanfall over CoD but yknow

[mighty moat]

i think it also had war stories

[slow tulip]

Play Doom 1993

[fierce matrix]

which essentially was the "campaign" for lack of better words

[fresh lintel]

If they remastered BO2 i'd play the shit outta that again

[dawn cedar]

Im guessing we will get more info from it next year, depends on how long its been in the works.

[fresh lintel]

Yeha lemme pull out my old Lenovo Windows vista laptop to play Doom 1993

[slow tulip]

Black ops 4 sucked

[dawn cedar]

i would imagine it will be BC3, because people are forever stuck on modern military shooters

[copper ice]

titanfall is dead in the water and battlefield abandoned reinforcements and fortifications

its not FAIR

[sour meadow]

next bf will a text-based story game

[fresh lintel]

BO4 sucked indeed.

[slow tulip]

No, install DOS

[mighty moat]

nawh, i think a campaign would be a congruent beginning to end where here we just got a collection of missions

[kindred flint]

join in progress match with a terrible team...23-4 with rpt holding mouse 1 again

[fierce matrix]

LMAO I thought BO4 was fun

[spare quest]

cod ghosts was the last good cod

[copper ice]

why would you show us a glimpse of heaven and take it away

[slow tulip]

No campaign

[dawn cedar]

nobody plays the campaigns

[slow tulip]

Hardline is better than Bf2042

[spare quest]

https://tenor.com/view/the-goon-cod-warzone-call-of-duty-hurry-up-jump-on-gif-17162875

[copper ice]

Give it back to me

[slow tulip]

Better than bf2042

[spare quest]

yee

[copper ice]

How do you make a predecessor to 2142 set in the near future and have NO MECHS

[fresh lintel]

I just found BO4 to be a shittier hero shooter than BO3.

Which BO3 was "Oh i got a minigun and kill you in 0.1 seconds" or "Oh you died to HIVE instantly have fuuuun"

[copper ice]

WHERE ARE MY TITANS

[spare quest]

call of duty finest hour

[copper ice]

GIVE THE TOR LEGS

[fresh lintel]

BO4 was just.. Boring

[copper ice]

[dawn cedar]

a lot happens in 100 years

[copper ice]

They had mech prototypes at the end of bf4

Where are they

Give them to me

[arctic grove]

2042 is unironically a better game than MW22 and MW19 because there’s no SBMM

But gun customization, general gunplay, and movement in MW19 and MW22 is significantly better and more in depth

[slow tulip]

Ohh yeah there is a mod that lets you play bf2 multiplayer with real players without gamespy

[copper ice]

Get that ranger piece of shit out of here give me a MECH

[fresh lintel]

But everyones experiences is different so i'm not going to tell you if you enjoyed it or not.

Or if you're wrong lmao

[arctic grove]

You WILL appreciate Ranger

[mighty moat]

i'm actually glad bf2042 doesnt do sbmm

[fresh lintel]

Ranger is a good boi

[copper ice]

Ranger is the most halfbaked piece of poo they've added to battlefield in ages

[fervent rose]

monkeys paw: season 5 will have a mech but you'll get 2 shot by TOR

it will have the same level of 2042 mobility you have come to love

[copper ice]

I normally love ai assistance in online multiplayer but ranger is just so lame

[dawn cedar]

didnt they say 2 new vehicles in season 5

[slow tulip]

MECH in bf2042?

[edgy oriole]

ranger used to be a mini boss

[copper ice]

It is literally a hate crime to make me imagine this

[fresh lintel]

SBMM would make the game slightly more interesting on Last gens

But at the same time like 0.1% of the population on last gens have a brain

[iron light]

Whenever I call in a Ranger it NEVER hits its shots until I’m downed.

[arctic grove]

Same, I’m so disappointed with SBMMs existence because it’s the only thing that stops MW19 from being genuinely amazing

[fresh lintel]

Mw19 just needed to not be a fucking movement shooter

Like the people doing slide cancels and what not just

[mighty moat]

i might be the only one, but the decision to not lock guns behind classes was the best thing they did. lets me keep playing engineer without having to switch cause i like a certain gun

[copper ice]

Ranger has 30 degrees of spread but 30x the health of the average player, so ranger is useless until you get downed and people run up to your body

[fresh lintel]

Go play Titanfall.

[copper ice]

ranger is a fucking chainsaw up close

[slow tulip]

You endup with bad players

[arctic grove]

I really dislike movement shooters tbh, like I obviously believe in skill depth and stuff, but there’s a very select group of people who consistently want to deal with that ‘movement’ shit

[spare quest]

i already have ranger tier 1

[fresh lintel]

I dont mind movement its when it becomes a problem.

[copper ice]

The guns in 2042 all feel the same anyway, the bigger issue is that if theres a tank at a distance i have to play fucking BORIS

[iron light]

Ranger with a chainsaw YES

[fresh lintel]

I prefer positioning.

If a game has positioning favored mechanics but can be negated by going ape shit? Its not a good game.

[mighty moat]

i dont think that even a little bit

[copper ice]

Getting spawncamped by tanks isn't bad enough as is? You have to hurt me even more by making me play Boris?

[fervent rose]

theres guns that feel different in bad ways like the dm7 and acwr

[copper ice]

The game desires your pain

[fervent rose]

theres very little variety within the good guns

[arctic grove]

DM7 standard rounds really need a fire rate buff

[fervent rose]

most everything from standard 2042 is a laser

[iron light]

Hehe Mk4 go TCHTCHTCHTCH

[copper ice]

dm7 is just worse than the bsv

[mighty moat]

i literally dont share any of this opinion about the guns

[copper ice]

even if you buffed the rof its still worse

[fervent rose]

unusable in comparison. and i want to use dm7

it looks cool and sounds good

plays like shit

[arctic grove]

Agreed

[copper ice]

half of this isnt opinion its the flat gun stats

[arctic grove]

DM7 is based off one of my favorite guns but it’s only remotely viable with close quarters rounds

[copper ice]

most of the good guns have minimal recoil and high rof

[arctic grove]

Which defeats the purpose of a DMR anyways

[copper ice]

and feel the same because 2042 gunplay is very basic

[arctic grove]

2042 movement and gunplay is the ultimate embodiment of people complaining about everything BF tried in the past, IMO

[still mirage]

PLZ DICE 48 PLAYER TDM

[mighty moat]

i mean, it is though. if i use a gun and find killing people to be a fine time versus other guns then you are either a. experiencing something else, or b. just sharing an opinion i dont agree with

[arctic grove]

Nothing has depth. Movement is just super light, and gunplay is just lasers

People hated both random recoil and spread/bloom plus BF1/Vs movement for animations and how it was ‘too grounded’

[dawn cedar]

bf4 gunplay was just lasers

[mighty moat]

i hate how games like cod are doing super floaty and silding movement

[fervent rose]

the movement is clunkier than it should be for no good reason. strafing should be snappy and responsive

[copper ice]

i can have a fine time killing people with the pf51, it doesnt mean it isn't shit

[mighty moat]

2042 feels like a different pace for once

[arctic grove]

BF4 favored tap firing over longer distances

[mighty moat]

that

[copper ice]

its not an opinion to say statistically there are guns in 2042 that are objectively inferior

[fresh lintel]

Just like how you disagree with a commonly agreed apon opinion of: Black ops 2 was the last best CoD?

Being a testy bitch aside, theres a reason why guns are considered meta. You dont have to agree with it. But common consensus is: If a guns good. Its good. Even if you dont do good with it.

[dawn cedar]

an94?

[mighty moat]

that's fine but dont rudely state your opinion

[fresh lintel]

🤭

[copper ice]

its not an opinion that the dm7 sucks

it statistically sucks

[arctic grove]

I’m actually surprised that MW2 snaking is WAY better than 2042 snaking

Like, HOW

[copper ice]

its literally inferior to the bsv in all valuable metrics

[arctic grove]

Like as an example of how weird 2042 movement can be

[copper ice]

i dont want it to suck, i like the dm7s design, but it sucks

every time i use it i just think why am i not using the bsv

[fresh lintel]

Which even I agree with. As much as I dont have an issue with the DM7 and consider it fucking stupif balance wise

Its still inferior to the BSV.

[copper ice]

which sucks and kills my enjoyment of it

[arctic grove]

DM7 with a suppressor and the ELCAN looks so dope

[still mirage]

Depends if u hit headshot or not all don’t are just a aim thing

[iron light]

I absolutely enjoy Rush XL, for me I like how it teaches me how to deal with stressful gunfight situations, improve my aim and tactics, and fun T1 farming.

[copper ice]

if something has a niche i can trick myself into enjoying it even if it sucks everywhere else; i used a lot of pretty poo weapons in bfv that had a niche that made them fun

[still mirage]

Dm7 the best looking gun on bf2042

[elfin coral]

SVK is just yuck

[copper ice]

dm7 is just literally inferior to bsv at everything

[fervent rose]

dm7 has a boat load of spread while the bsvm hits the shots

[still mirage]

48 player tdm plz dice bring it back

[arctic grove]

DM7 and the M5A3 >