battlefield-2042

[copper ice]

thats why i mentioned the mag size and rof of m5 and am40

there's minimal recoil on anything in 2042 and smgs are the only guns with spread in the game

along with ass headshot multiplier

[next onyx]

The velocity makes the spread even worse.

[scenic badger]

yeah if we're talking about best guns in the game overall i think AC42 is basically gonna win hands down, but its all situational

[next onyx]

M16 is definitely up there for the best gun.

Unironically.

[fiery shoal]

i dont get this argument that since recoil is minimal in general that suddenly means the differences in recoil doesnt matter...

[copper ice]

excuse me for slow response a spider jumped onto my face from the ceiling and i spent a minute screaming

[scenic badger]

M16 is hilariously good, i just T1'd it and had a great time with it

[next onyx]

Lolrip

[copper ice]

i genuinely would not be able to tell you the difference in recoil between the smgs

it's so low i can't tell

[next onyx]

I'm 800 off 10k m16 I think.

[fiery shoal]

balance is always relative, same with recoil

[shadow hazel]

M16 and 416 are amazing

[fiery shoal]

if everything is a laser with slight differences those slight differences still matter

[copper ice]

the spread is the only thing i've noticed in it actually losing me kills and it's the main reason i hate the k30 and mp9

[scenic badger]

I just started using the M416 right after the M16A3 and its basically just a good, slightly slower and more accurate in full auto rather than using burst a bit

i want to hold off til 5.0 for the attachments though

[fiery shoal]

spread differences is marginal between smgs and something like the am40 though

[next onyx]

It's quite big.

Am40 has better spread over say... a close combat PBX.

That's the most comparable smg.

[fiery shoal]

.25 vs .28...

[copper ice]

i can't tell you stats exactly since idk how out of date those values are on sym but they're not in smgs favour

[next onyx]

Nvm the fact that it has doubled velocity which assists in accuracy.

Your rounds will hit sooner therefore giving them less space to fly around.

[copper ice]

they're pretty bad on k30 and that's 6btk at minimum

[next onyx]

Plus yeah if you're looking at symptic, assume somewhat same but massive differences between there and now.

[copper ice]

ass on mp9 and that has literally half the velocity of am40

[proper vapor]

Do we know anything ab next seasons character and map?

[copper ice]

we aren't getting more characters

[proper vapor]

Damn.

[next onyx]

P90 better than the mp9.

[fiery shoal]

so do we have actual numbers or are we just making up numbers?

[next onyx]

50 round mag with no drawbacks.

[fiery shoal]

if we are ignoring sym.gg

[copper ice]

i'm going by sym but idk what's changed

[next onyx]

I'm taking it seriously but I'm open to the fact that things have changed.

[fiery shoal]

according to sym theres marginal differences in most of the talking points so far other than velocity, and its not double either

[next onyx]

What's close combat velocity again?

[copper ice]

judging by gameplay i haven't noticed spread screwing me over on ARs outside of long distance while i've definitely noticed smgs totally failing to hit their targets at much closer ranges though idk if that's spread or hitreg failure

[fiery shoal]

no way to tell afaik

[next onyx]

Oh fuck wait I was thinking of mp9 velocity.

It should state.

[thorny oracle]

Hi

[copper ice]

if mp9 velocity hasnt changed it's 340 for cc

[next onyx]

I know that close combat velocity is 320 and am40 standard is 640.

[fiery shoal]

where are you getting this info?

[copper ice]

says 680 for am40 as well on sym

but idk whats changed

and god knows the fucking game won't tell us anything relevant

[fiery shoal]

currently looking at sym and theres no way to see velocity with attachments

[next onyx]

It would of been symptic I looked at it ages ago.

Erm check starting velocity.

[thorny oracle]

Um

[copper ice]

if you go on the comparison page you can put attachments in

[thorny oracle]

What weapon do I get for max damage

[next onyx]

When I get dressed I'll get it ready.

[fiery shoal]

that doesnt show velocity though...

[copper ice]

this is very vague

[fiery shoal]

only btk and ttk changes...

[next onyx]

Vss if you want damage.

[copper ice]

it does at the bottom

[thorny oracle]

For level -60

I haven't unlocked every weapon yet

[copper ice]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1011411316331786241/1108125888849125427/image.png?width=642&height=342

[next onyx]

Weird. I know it shows velocity. You can find this easily find this by having say a high powered and close combat PBX side by side and you'll be able to see the numbers.

[thorny oracle]

What's that

[next onyx]

Vintorez.

[thorny oracle]

Idk if I've unlocked it or not

[fiery shoal]

i see nothing on velocity unless its named something different than "velocity"

[next onyx]

It's a dmr that can be run in full auto and has high damage.

[copper ice]

It's initialspeedz

[acoustic seal]

i have no idea what went on here but the average engagement range in 2042 is 70m unless you're in one of the box trap hellmaps like stranded

[copper ice]

I guess to represent movement on the Z axis?

[fiery shoal]

why on gods green earth would they name velocity "initialspeedz"

[copper ice]

Or just it's name in the files

I remember it bugging me in bfv lmao

[fiery shoal]

sym.gg for bfv actually let you see the differences with attachments on the "weapon charts" page

[thorny oracle]

Earth isnt completely green lol, more blue

[next onyx]

Most likely because of drag.

[copper ice]

I think sym gave up on making their 2042 page functional

[copper ice]

i miss the bfv charts they were very nice

[acoustic seal]

game is so shit they gave up back in season 2 yeah

[copper ice]

super easy to use all relevant information in one small rectangle with easy attachment additions

[fiery shoal]

the topic is sym.gg... not the game itself...

way to miss the topic completely just to say "lul 2042 bad"

[thorny oracle]

What's that

[acoustic seal]

my brother in christ why do you think they stopped supporting the game stats halfway

[fiery shoal]

site for weapon stats

[thorny oracle]

Oooo

I need

[acoustic seal]

the game was functionally dead and a mechanical nightmare

[fiery shoal]

god youre desperate for karma "lul 2042 bad"

[odd yew]

[slow tulip]

https://kotaku.com/battlefield-2042-ea-dice-toxic-harassment-community-pc-1850436395

[slow tulip]

Is it going to be campaign focused?

[acoustic seal]

are we talking about sym or not? this is about sym dumping the game

[copper ice]

it is kind of impressive that 2042 made the dedicated battlefield stats site stop updating itself though

[next onyx]

The topic on hand was about smgs and ars not that.

I mean they stopped cheat developers for a small time.

Which is hilarious.

[fiery shoal]

i mean.. are we certain thats the source of that situation?

for all we know the guys data diving this stuff died...

[next onyx]

If you head to the discord they hate the game.

[slow tulip]

Ironic

[next onyx]

It's a shame there isn't any more ammo in close combat VSS. Would of been a great alternate option.

[slow tulip]

Bf5 is filled with cheaters

[fiery shoal]

and dont want to give access to people who like the game enough to update the stats?

[copper ice]

The guy who datamined it is on a "hiatus", ostentatiously because he thinks its poo

Apparently it's really hard to datamine and no one else has come up willing to do it that knows how

[fiery shoal]

one of the guys who helped with datamining was a regular in this server.. he had horrible takes

[glossy storm]

I hope they announce a Y2 for 2042 soon.

[arctic grove]

sup crispybacon

[copper ice]

tfw close range bsv is better than some smgs

[thorny oracle]

What's the best assault weapon for most damage and ammo capacity

[odd yew]

[glossy storm]

They can't just end if after S5.

[fiery shoal]

didnt they indirectly already announce it with season 5?

[copper ice]

sfar

[next onyx]

Could just use the scar h.

[fiery shoal]

its not though...

[frigid violet]

M16

[cold beacon]

I love S-Far

[next onyx]

M16 is good too.

[thorny oracle]

The one with smoke/frag/armor grenades?

[cold beacon]

this gun is chef's kiss

[fiery shoal]

you cant base a weapons effectiveness in a given range PURELY on its ttk ASSUMING all bullets land...

[glossy storm]

All I heard about BF recently officially was that stupid 'new way' statement by Andrew Wilson.

[copper ice]

I'm basing it on the rpm as well

[frigid violet]

I’ve been using the ghost maker though it’s fun and rewarding

[copper ice]

980 rof is higher than half the smgs

[fiery shoal]

its still not though...

[next onyx]

I'd be inclined to agree about close combat vss being much better purely because of its HS multiplier being better.

And rpm.

[thorny oracle]

.

[next onyx]

I guess.

[fiery shoal]

lets face it though.. 90% of people are not landing headshots consistently for it to matter

its like skill level is a factor in weapons effectiveness too

[next onyx]

It matters when you mix it in randomly.

[frigid violet]

Vss is okay, I don’t really enjoy using it that much

[fiery shoal]

lets not confuse it being a factor, with it being a major factor

[thorny oracle]

Ugh

[copper ice]

it's got higher rpm than the mp9, same rof as ac9 with standard ammo, better rof than the portal smgs

[thorny oracle]

Why do people have to be so nerdy on a game, I don't understand this shit lol

[tardy tree]

me when people enjoy something

[fiery shoal]

g57 being able to one clip is a factor, doesnt mean you should walk around saying its broken because you 1 clip people

[tardy tree]

me when i hate when people talk about stuff

[copper ice]

it actually statistically has better rpm than the smgs outside of k30 and cc ac9

[fiery shoal]

thats just not a common scenario

[next onyx]

I don't try to think about aiming for the head. Often aiming for centre mass, those random jumps and hitting the head make all the world of difference.

[fiery shoal]

those random scenarios are not going to be consistent enough to apply a "quality" to said weapon

[thorny oracle]

🤦🏼‍♂️

I still don't understand what you're talking about

[fiery shoal]

going back to g57, only a fool would apply the "random chance to 1 burst an enemy" as a quality

[next onyx]

I would consider it if the weapons that I used like the m5a3, m16 and am40 I use dedicated for close range like an smg.

[copper ice]

tbh g57 being able to random crit is legit

[next onyx]

Yeah g57 it's so easy.

[frigid violet]

Yeah it’s funny af

[acoustic seal]

one bursting people with the glock is extremely common because they're within pissing distance of a gun with god tier hipfire

like you're just incorrect

[thorny oracle]

M5A3 vs am40

[copper ice]

it's won me fights i really shouldnt have won

[frigid violet]

G57 with suppressor and you feel like John wick

[fiery shoal]

ehh, i know my aim is well above average and i go for headshots with the g57, hardly happens, you feel like a god when it does happen, but its not a quality you would actually rely on

[next onyx]

M5a3 is more balanced am40 is more fucked up close up.

[copper ice]

like easily above 10% of my g57 kills are one bursts

[thorny oracle]

Am40 I feel like is bad at both close and long range

[copper ice]

it's not something i consistently rely on but it's definitely a bonus factor to an already good gun

[thorny oracle]

It's also extremely loud

[fiery shoal]

would love to see your stats on g57 and how they correlate to your statement being correct

[frigid violet]

Am40 can shred at all ranges

[next onyx]

It isn't. It's one of the best.

[fiery shoal]

i bet it doesnt happen

[fiery shoal]

100% the correct statement

which is the point ive been making

[frigid violet]

I like how this guy just complained about people being too nerdy and then continues to ask for min max advice

[next onyx]

Though I'd argue in this game it's not really difficult to hit that bonus.

[thorny oracle]

Not for me

[fiery shoal]

a BONUS is not a determining factor

[thorny oracle]

So what am I doing wrong

[frigid violet]

Skill issue

[copper ice]

it can be a determining factor if the guns are similar enough outside of it

[next onyx]

And with how smgs were murcked so shit it's definitely a factor considered.

[copper ice]

if one gun has the same stats as the other gun but has a bonus, why not use the one with bonus

[fiery shoal]

sure, but thats a rare scenario

[copper ice]

i've lost smg fights vs AR up close because they got a headshot

[thorny oracle]

.

[scenic badger]

correct. there was comms about that a while back and that's when Sorrow got more serious on doing his Sheet

[copper ice]

i would heavily argue it isn't in 2042 where most guns are very similar

[copper ice]

click on your enemy

[thorny oracle]

Wym?

[fiery shoal]

id argue if you think a lot of guns are similar, you arent deep diving the differences enough

[scenic badger]

of all the negatives this game has, they do a very good job of making each gun unique

[copper ice]

idk i'm a pretty religious spreadsheet gamer

[thorny oracle]

Wdym

[fiery shoal]

looked up my hs% with the g57, i know my aim is well above average and im going for headshots and using it as a primary weapon.. my headshot % is within standard %...

so this idea that the g57 gets random headshots more commonly that others is pretty baseless

[copper ice]

bfv had legitimate niches for every single weapon it had (with some being admittedly small to the point of uselessness (fuck sten and mp40))
i dont see any reason to use any smg other than pbx or pp40 with the ac9 existing if you want bigmag fast fire niche

[copper ice]

idk man it's 2042, recoil and spread are minimal

just click on them

[acoustic seal]

it works better if you aim it at them

[fiery shoal]

... what even is this comment?

[scenic badger]

the problem with G57 burst is the same as with the AC42. if you get one headshot in the three bullet, you have now killed them assuming your other 2 hits landed

[thorny oracle]

I need damage, accuracy, and ammo capacity

[fiery shoal]

you need 2 headhots and a body shot to 1 burst someone with the g57... a g57 burst is 3 rounds...

so no.. you cant 1 burst someone with just a single headshot

[copper ice]

its the same as the m5 with more bullets

and better reloads

[fiery shoal]

(assuming full health)

[copper ice]

statistically you should be doing good with the am40

[scenic badger]

ehh, it likely gonna be 2 tbh if you get 1

but you're right

[warm zealot]

Yes you can

[thorny oracle]

Am40 loud

[warm zealot]

(28*2) + 28 + 28

[copper ice]

put wrapped suppressor on it

[warm zealot]

The headshot multiplier is 2x

[near silo]

Wtf happened to CTF and domination

[fiery shoal]

you know the g57 is a 3 round burst pistol right?

[thorny oracle]

I can't get kills with it to get that attachment

[copper ice]

if it being loud is stopping you from getting kills idk what to say other than position yourself better

[fervent rose]

the glock bursts are very conducive to headshotting - if you aim upper torso the following two shots are extremely tight and take people's heads off

[warm zealot]

Yeah

[fervent rose]

one low, two high and tight

[warm zealot]

3 bullets

[copper ice]

those stats hold up for 3 bullets

[thorny oracle]

Dude it's the accuracy I need, silence, and accuracy, and damage, and ammo capacity

[scenic badger]

yeah actually it looks like its 28 base, so 56+28+28 = 112?

[copper ice]

this is 2042 dude literally everything is accurate

[scenic badger]

armor can save you

[warm zealot]

Nyphon doing fourth dimensional parallel universe math

[copper ice]

i just told you it has the same damage as m5 and more bullets with faster reloads

[thorny oracle]

Then what am I doing wrong

[copper ice]

i dont know

thats why i told you to click better

[fervent rose]

am40 wrapped works fine for its niche

[copper ice]

stick a 1.25x on it, pewpew people

[fervent rose]

the low velocity doesnt matter

[fiery shoal]

actually you just have the wrong damage values according to this

[copper ice]

the wiki is out of date

[scenic badger]

that is 100% wrong

[copper ice]

sym is also out of date

[fiery shoal]

so wheres the source that g57 is doing 28 dmg?

[copper ice]

they buffed it since both of those

for some ungodly reason

[fiery shoal]

when?

[fervent rose]

sorrow's google doc is a great resource

[copper ice]

idk! you can test it in game

[warm zealot]

Why are you being dumb Nyphon

Do you even play the game

Turn on damage numbers

Shoot the glock

[copper ice]

one headshot and two bodyshots will kill

[warm zealot]

Observe 28 damage

Profit

[copper ice]

god knows why they buffed it

dice moment

[warm zealot]

Shoot the Glock in the head

[fervent rose]

the 2x headshot was a random change too. around spearhead

[warm zealot]

Observe 56 damage

Profit

[fiery shoal]

being dumb? i have a kid now so i havent played much games at all for a while...

[acoustic seal]

purple names have this weird problem where they spend a ton of time in here and still don't know anything about the game

it's an epidemic

[arctic grove]

Bro don't expect everybody to be a nerd

[near silo]

Here we go

[thorny oracle]

Exactly

[copper ice]

you see, smg is not a weapon deserving of reward for good aim, but pistol deserves to one burst with a single headshot while also having the best hipfire in the entire game of any weapon and also a 36 round mag

[fiery shoal]

nah ill admit to not knowing there was a HIDDEN BUFF to a gun since i last seriously played the game

[arctic grove]

frfr

[fiery shoal]

fuck me right?

[fervent rose]

dice does stealth buff / change a lot

its fun!

[copper ice]

the g57 is genuinely better than some smgs

balance

[fervent rose]

g57 is easily the best sidearm ive ever used in a bf title

[thorny oracle]

I like just sitting there shooting AI's with it lol

[copper ice]

g57 would have been a killer primary in bfv

imagine the streaks

[warm zealot]

No it's literally better

Because of the 2x multiplier lol

https://streamable.com/hy4zip

[fiery shoal]

yea last i played with the g57 you couldnt 1 burst with a single headshot, sorry that changed, i didnt know (which is reasonable considering hidden changes and i hardly play 2042 anymore)

[copper ice]

to be fair to nyphon it is entirely reasonable to assume they would not buff g57

[fiery shoal]

even doing more nerd shit than most and looking up 2 sources doesnt help since they are wrong

[copper ice]

it is unhinged to imagine buffing the secondary that has been called OP since the start of 2042

[warm zealot]

I really hope the upcoming nerf is reasonable

[fiery shoal]

22 dmg i wouldnt call op, still the best sidearm though that challenges most smgs

but yea, with 28 dmg thats just busted

[warm zealot]

Maybe it shouldn't have a burst mode to begin with

[copper ice]

replace boris turret with a g57 on a stick

[fervent rose]

the burst itself is fine

the damage/hs multi/rpm is not

[solid imp]

legit just lol'd at this, and I'm at the office today dang you

[warm zealot]

If they keep the burst and the same burst timing I think the best move is to either lower the hs multiplier to 1.25x or keep the multiplier the same while lowering the base damage to 18

[fervent rose]

in 1 patch, boris becomes the most op

i shudder

[fiery shoal]

dmg has to drop no matter what

[copper ice]

boris turret would genuinely be better if it was just a g57 tied to a stake in the ground and a motion detector laser sight that pulls the trigger

[fiery shoal]

burst is fine, if anything a defining feature of the g57

[copper ice]

burst is nice for qol

i hate spamming the trigger for shit over 450rpm

[fiery shoal]

im keen on keeping things unique to weapons but changing values elsewhere to balance

[fervent rose]

they could make it a full auto that's less accurate but pf51 already exists so idk

[fiery shoal]

otherwise you just end up with all weapons being similar enough

[fervent rose]

since theres 2 other burst pistols now

[warm zealot]

The PF51 is a peashooter

[copper ice]

the other burst pistol is bugged

[warm zealot]

15 max damage lmao

[frigid violet]

The nvk is not as good as the g57 tho

[fervent rose]

ye pf51 launched as a primary sidearm and got mega nerfed

[copper ice]

and the portal burst pistol is just a shit g57 after they fixed the bug

[fiery shoal]

now i wanna know when they buffed the g57...

[warm zealot]

I think the M1911 would be awesome with an extended mag

[fiery shoal]

thats absurd

[copper ice]

nvk doesnt cycle bursts correctly

[fervent rose]

i dont recall when the damage changed

[frigid violet]

It should have a 30 round extendo

[fervent rose]

but pistol hs multi was Spearhead patch

[copper ice]

so it's either worse than single fire or is full auto

which is absolutely not as intended but they released it in that form anyway

just like they did with the portal burst pistol that cycled bursts so fast it was always full auto

why make gun work when you can fix it 6 months after release

the sad part is that actually made the m93r actually worth using for a while

[warm zealot]

They still haven't fixed the Reflex RDS on Vault weapons being too bright

PPL pointed out this bug in the beginning of Season 2

[copper ice]

They're fixing it by replacing all sights with 2042 sights now

simple feex

[fiery shoal]

i found a video that suggests the g57 buff was 5 months ago, about the time i stopped seriously playing fps games in general

[copper ice]

still an absolutely bizarre buff to make

[scenic badger]

it was buffed sometime in 3.0 ish

[fiery shoal]

it was a bit too good for a sidearm with 22 dmg...

[copper ice]

it doesn't help that the game gives us literally no damage stats

[scenic badger]

i remember memeing about "buff glock" for weeks leading up to it cause of a tweet where they said it was underperforming and then it just became a reality

[copper ice]

so we cant verify this shit easily at all

underperforming LMAO

compared to fucking what? the primaries?

[fiery shoal]

i wonder how they verify that...

because i used the g57 as a primary at 22 dmg and my kpm was towards the higher end of my primaries...

[copper ice]

im assuming since its the default secondary it gets a massive pickrate, and then blueberries swap to it when they're panicking and miss all their shots

and devs go WOW look at this data its so shit thats crazy

[next onyx]

I've given Alex that feedbacck as well pretty much but if I had to guess how this patch handles it we'll see what they do.

Cause Didn't Alex say they're adjusting its burst?

[copper ice]

rather than using a brain and going wow most of our players suck lol

[fiery shoal]

like if they just looked at kpm and said its lower for g57 compared to other sidearms.. well yea.. because people dont normally use other sidearms as primaries like we use the g57 for

[next onyx]

Its 35 round drum is a bit of a problem.

[copper ice]

balancing based on data like that is so dodgy

[next onyx]

Ok I need to quickly get food.

[copper ice]

it can be entirely dependent on whoever is using it

[fiery shoal]

and how its being used

my kpm for g57 is based as a primary, like out holding it all the time

[next onyx]

Primary p125 was fun LMAO.

[fervent rose]

every noob uses it because they get rolled by it a bunch, monkey see monkey do

[next onyx]

No it wasn't, Patially

[fiery shoal]

vs other people might have a higher kpm than me just because they actually use it as a secondary and only pull it out for a couple of seconds which inflated KPM stats

[copper ice]

extendo g57 is still like 27 bullets as well

even if you nerf drum its got an easy backup option

the only thing it doesn't have is UBGL

[warm zealot]

Wait we are critiquing DICE balancing decisions in this discussion... careful we do not get banned

[next onyx]

I reckon if they were to go primary g57 the stats wouldn't change much.

[copper ice]

g57 could be the first pistol carbine

[fiery shoal]

literally has never happened

not a bad idea

[next onyx]

I've criticised Alex dozens of times and I haven't been banned.

[copper ice]

i'd actually like a pistol carbine as a primary

g57 already fits

[fervent rose]

give me akimbo glocks as primary with no ADS

[copper ice]

it just has to be made a primary

[fervent rose]

and no drums

[fiery shoal]

i always like when people associate their "game dogshit" comments as "just criticism"

[next onyx]

Would you call the VCAR a pistol carbine?

Chunky.

Cause it's kinda like one.

[copper ice]

this would genuinely be horrendously OP and that sounds like the most fun shit in the world

[mighty holly]

truly makes you wonder am I right

[next onyx]

DUAL WEILD P90'S WITH EXTENDED MAGS.

150 ROUNDS BEFORE RELOAD.

[fervent rose]

we goldeneye now

[fiery shoal]

its middleschool levels of thinking

like.. youre not clever

[copper ice]

I was a firm advocate of pistol carbines in bfv, VCAR is too straining for my finger to be a proper pistol carbine

[fiery shoal]

granted actual middle schoolers are likely making those comments...

[copper ice]

its like fuckin 520rpm for single fire with short barrel

i cant click that fast

[warm zealot]

I heard somewhere that if you say "Ghost Gaming" 5x in a mirror while holding a candle with the lights off, Kevin Johnson will immediately appear behind you and issue you an account ban

[meager girder]

True

[copper ice]

why would you turn the lights off on your candle

[mighty holly]

Ngl I really wanna ask you a question nyphon but I’ll be disrupting the chat topic

[meager girder]

The candle isn’t lit

you just hold it

[fervent rose]

well keltec calls it a .22 magnum carbine. idk if they would call it a pistol though

[scenic badger]

VCAR was supposed to get a 20 round full auto mode.... woulda been nice

[copper ice]

i would love a magnum carbine

[fiery shoal]

i wish the vcar was consistent, i think the spread screws it from being good like the g 1-5 was in bfv

[copper ice]

sawn off svk

[fervent rose]

semi autos are very poor feeling compared to bfv gigagod guns

[copper ice]

i cant use the vcar to save my life it just makes my hand hurt

[summer lake]

DMRs are a little underpowered

[copper ice]

bsv and SVK are still insanely good though

svk especially

[fervent rose]

bsvm on single fire is pretty excellent

svk i dont care for its shakey fire effect

[fiery shoal]

why would you single fire it?

[copper ice]

svk is like everything good from the semis in bfv combined

[scenic badger]

SVK is great, I would rather melt the DM7 down and use it as a commode than fire it

[fervent rose]

because it has better stats in single fire for medium / long range

i dont always single fire, i full auto it plenty

[fiery shoal]

what stats change?

[fervent rose]

lemme look it up

[fiery shoal]

i was under the impression it was the same

[copper ice]

2hk out to 100m, 15 + 1 mag, 250+ rof with short barrel (if it's not broken like sorrows spreadsheet says it is)

[fervent rose]

"0.8x FSM
0.8x VRec
0.8x HRec
0.8x SIPS
0.8x Min. Spread
0.8x Max. Spread"

burst/semi does that ^

[copper ice]

it gets fucking AP ubgl

[fiery shoal]

huh, never knew values changed depending on fire mode

[fervent rose]

its a weird 2042 thing

[copper ice]

most guns get better values in single fire mode but their full auto has higher rof to make up for it

[fervent rose]

it made some guns WORSE in bfv to go single fire

[meager girder]

yup

[copper ice]

bsv just has the same rof regardless

[meager girder]

it’s actually quite realistic

[fervent rose]

bsv is a laser when tapped in semi

[fiery shoal]

ehh i never care about realistic in games

[copper ice]

yeah bsv is fucking nutty

[fervent rose]

it used to be a laser in short barrel full auto

but it has real bloom now

mp9 and bsvm are like the only two guns i feel spread on

k30 too i guess

[copper ice]

it deserved that spread

[fiery shoal]

i love bsv

any word on rm68 nerfs? because yea...

[copper ice]

it used to be 245ms ttk out to 75m with fucking minimal spread and 490rpm

[blazing pike]

Ive repaired the game 3 times, on PC, But the game just wont work. I reinstalled.. same issue. It was working fine before hand.

[copper ice]

that was INSANE

[scenic badger]

v5.0

no details

[fervent rose]

instakill people out to 150m you mean

[copper ice]

the headshots

dont remind me

[fervent rose]

i had many 100+ 2 taps and it was funny as fuck every time

[next onyx]

Wasn't the RM nerf coming in 5.2?

[copper ice]

[fervent rose]

the battlepass isnt over

[next onyx]

Cunt I'm so fucking sick of the Rm277 please tell me I'm wrong.

[scenic badger]

i'm assuming it gets nerfed the same day more weapons come out is all

[fervent rose]

rm68 will be balanced after bp ends

[copper ice]

are they spacing their fucking balance patches out now? lmfao

[scenic badger]

but they said next season

[fervent rose]

fun right!

[blazing pike]

is anyone else having launch issues? 😦

[copper ice]

someone always is

game is inconsistent

[fervent rose]

they've just done the slow nerfs to the seasonal op gun every time

[copper ice]

pick a god and pray

[next onyx]

I'd say mag dump the m5a3 with short barrel without any sort of spread modification at people 70 to 80 metres beyond but uhm.

[fervent rose]

rm68 nerf will be slight

[next onyx]

[copper ice]

way we all know that actually works

i've seen your clips

[fervent rose]

yea the m5a3 is a beamatron

[next onyx]

You don't know what it's like for the other 9500 kills!!!!!!!!

OH YEAH THAT REMINDS ME.

[fervent rose]

I've been using it more lately

[scenic badger]

RM68 better include nerfs to short/silenced damage dropoffs

[next onyx]

I beaming some dude 120 metres away with the m16 illegal?

[copper ice]

mp9 gets spread at FIST (is this acceptable modbot) distance

ok no block this time

[next onyx]

LOL.

[copper ice]

what a time to get bonked by the bot

[next onyx]

Gen nae nae'd.

I had a stroke.

[low timber]

Do you smell burned toast?

[arctic grove]

the game is consistantly inconsistant

[remote kiln]

I do it's the amount of people ranting about how bad specialists are that they forgot to check the toaster

[radiant prism]

Im gonna miss having the esports lounge around

my computer chugs on this game lol

[scenic badger]

the inconsistently is largely in part to crossplay between 3 gaming networks and poor quality servers

[arctic grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/762780139209359380/1107446963626061924/trim.AEDC568A-68EF-439B-AAC4-98E61D3BD364.mov

[peak turtle]

has anyone else been having an issue where the game just shows only the background of the title screen and can't proceed further?

[scenic badger]

yea...

patch day, always

[peak turtle]

patch day?

i've had this since s3

[scenic badger]

how are you launching the game typically

[peak turtle]

just the ea app

i've been having better luck with linux ironically enough, it shows the image before the title screen and then shows the elements overlayed on the background

at least that way i know what the intended behaviour is

[scenic badger]

one thing that i know is an issue is that if you run EA app at startup, it will often times try to log into the servers before you have a valid IP/internet connection. i would suggest exiting the app and try manually signing in, but yeah, idk

[peak turtle]

i don't have it running at startup so definitely not that

[scenic badger]

that screen is typically about confirming credentials i believe

was getting stuck there a lot when the servers were crap last week

[peak turtle]

on my end, just this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/882000205321469962/1108142699292397609/image.png

just the background of the title screen

[scenic badger]

yea, i know whatchu mean, endless loading

[peak turtle]

doesn't even seem to be loading

[scenic badger]

do the little verify game files option on the game via EA app is best suggestion

[peak turtle]

tried that, uninstalled and reinstalled quite a few times too

[scenic badger]

if you have onedrive enabled to backup your local libraries, disable/uninstall and try it again, last thing i can offer 😦

[peak turtle]

nah i don't use it

i was able to get it running off an ssd but space is valuable there and plenty of others have the game running off a hard drive

so i don't know what to do other than clear everything again just for a game i'll likely uninstall again

[quiet shell]

Been thinking about what Straatford said to GhostGaming.
What goodwill is he talking about?
Does he think the positive reception to fixing the game and making decent content is goodwill from the community?

[edgy oriole]

prolly means they havent recieved deaththreats in awhile

[quiet shell]

Goodwill from the community would be 50k players daily with active user space on youtube that isn't just talking about the state of the game and DICE doing wayyy more for the community than the bare minimum

[remote kiln]

I seen the video, his end conclusion is clearly emotionally challenged from the situation

[edgy oriole]

thats what i thought too

[forest snow]

all the pointless drama could end up effecting if they carry on with a full year 2

[remote kiln]

saying that "it's scary to creators to be thought of as nothing more than business" is exactly the wrong idea

because that's all it is

and all its ever been

[karmic egret]

EA exists for one purpose only, to make money

[forest snow]

like any business?

[radiant prism]

The creator network literally exists for business

[karmic egret]

That's what all corporations exist for

[radiant prism]

That’s the explicit point of the creator network

[karmic egret]

Ye

[arctic grove]

Goodwill is DICE admitting they have a skeleton crew working on 2042 and the reason why the updates are painfully slow.

[forest snow]

the updates are coming a lot faster then V

[odd yew]

Haven’t heard that in awhile

[radiant prism]

Slow updates? What?

My brother in Christ we had an update last week

[arctic grove]

Fair but Updates =/= content. At least bfv released more content with the updates.

[radiant prism]

Ok well then say content when you mean content lol

Slow updates is just false

[arctic grove]

Fair

[radiant prism]

At this point, anyways

[fervent rose]

how many months has the hind/condor been shitting on defenders in BT

[forest snow]

not much of it decent only pacific and the summer update before they moved on to 2042

[fervent rose]

it's been quite some time since the air vehicle reworks

[odd yew]

Lol

[radiant prism]

They tried to patch that two updates ago

[rocky sentinel]

Is it worth buying the battlepass as a new player right now? and is that the only way i can use the rm68?

[radiant prism]

Problem is people still don’t want to do anything about it

[arctic grove]

Yeah no point going full circle. It will be interesting to see how PR fixes this relation.

[fervent rose]

It didn't stop the random deaths from above, so I don't consider a 20% hp nerf a fix.

[radiant prism]

You don’t need to buy BP to get the gun

[remote kiln]

no it's not

all items that aren't cosmetic are free

[rocky sentinel]

thanks!

[radiant prism]

20% was never gonna stop it

The idea is to give both parties a fighting chance

[pure merlin]

What does the HUD Accent Color Change? I cant see a difference.

[quiet shell]

I'm willing to bet they'll try activisions way of handling things. Ignore it and put more shiny cosmetics on the store until people forget about it

[fervent rose]

i have no fighting chance when the hind hovers over me with a 40mm gl

i die

it's broken

[next onyx]

The transport heli nerf only affected minor forms of chip damage.

It wasn't that big of a change.

[pure merlin]

What does the HUD Accent Color Change? I cant see a difference. Im really curious what it does

[quiet shell]

DICE will do everything to nerf the transport heli but actually nerf it.
I.e. removing the underbelly turret that can accept 50mm cannons and mortar pods

[next onyx]

Noo don't you dare bring up mortar pod and tr helis. That sounds awful!

Like actually. That sounds even worse HAHA.

[radiant prism]

Ok sorry for the abrupt subject change but why did MWII add a full auto deagle

That’s the most cursed shit

[errant scarab]

Put 2v2 jets

[radiant prism]

Literally more damage to your wrist than the enemy

[fervent rose]

sounds like cod

[radiant prism]

Tbh

[quiet shell]

they needed another item but ran out of assets that they ripped for MW3 so they did some recoding to a regular deagle and called it a day

[radiant prism]

Lol

[brittle forge]

Memes. Not kidding, it’s a complete meme weapon

[quiet shell]

No unironically if you rip the game files and find the new deagle, it's the exact same asset list but spelt daegle instead of deagle

[arctic grove]

Definitely alot cheaper

[fervent rose]

thats what we call efficiency

[brittle forge]

put akimbo on those and magdump an enemy 5 feet in front you will miss like every shot, it’s hilarious

[radiant prism]

Yeah it just sounds fucking cursed lmao

[brittle forge]

DICE does like MWIIs model of “at least one new seasonal gun is completely busted, keep it like that until the season is almost over” though, gotta admit

[remote kiln]

ehh

[karmic egret]

Eh the Season 3 weapons were pretty balanced

[brittle forge]

both of the games even have the same op weapon right now too which is funny

[quiet shell]

in Season 2's case the guns spent half the season unusable because they managed to screw up the headshot multipliers

[remote kiln]

sorta? it's not really by design, just the portal guns are heavily outclassed

it's not a one and done they do it on purpose

it's nowhere near MW2 levels and comparing them is a disservice

[brittle forge]

Alright I’ll admit season 3 was ok. But season 1 had the bsvm (was busted), 2 had the advancys (was busted) and 4 has RM277 (can be argued that it’s not as oppressive as the previous two but it’s busted)

[brittle forge]

Nah it’s completely fair tbh outside of S3

[remote kiln]

no, it's absolutely not lol

the game literally has paid advantages for items seasonally

you're comparing 2 different dystopias

[brittle forge]

I’m talking about weapons not DMZ packs

[quiet shell]

the second most op weapon of season 1 was Liz's tv missile. You could literally navigate that thing through interiors

[karmic egret]

Idk the RPT is pretty powerful

[remote kiln]

they still matter

you can compare it to BF4 power levels for dlc weapons which heavily outclassed the base, but not MW2

[brittle forge]

I mean I hate the DMZ pay 2 win shit as well but you’re saying attacking my point about op seasonal weapons with an unrelated point

[karmic egret]

Compared to content per season we are getting more content per season than MW2

[remote kiln]

no I never said the point was wrong

[ancient peak]

Lis missiles are still way too maneuverable in boost man'

[remote kiln]

I said the comparison with mw2 is flawed and well, wrong

[ancient peak]

Either that or their hitbox is huge

[karmic egret]

The hit box is pretty big

[fervent rose]

the launch rorsch was far from ok

railgun was fucked.

[ancient peak]

Just saying maybe the stupid thing shouldn't have as much range

[remote kiln]

it was fine(ish)

[fervent rose]

no, it wasnt, that's why it got a bunch of nerfs

[ancient peak]

So you can fire that thing from way behind your lines like some remote guided artillery

[remote kiln]

the main balance issues with the weapon weren't infantry, it was vehicle

[brittle forge]

I don’t think you were understanding what I was comparing. I wasn’t comparing the entire games, I literally said “both of them share the new seasonal gun was completely busted approach ”. That’s a very specific aspect

[fervent rose]

it's still op, 20 shots per reload on a near hitscan sniper

[brittle forge]

and a fair comparison imo

[remote kiln]

I mean fair enough I just don't agree

[brittle forge]

Forgot about the Rorsch, yeah s3 had a busted gun too

[fervent rose]

busted Tank too

[remote kiln]

rorsch would have been the best gun in history if we got the trailer version before the update

[brittle forge]

I could only remember the shotgun and the pistol

I like that pistol tbh

Although op pistol will probably always be the G57 so can’t blame the seasonal guns there

[remote kiln]

the tor?

[fervent rose]

thats the only new tank

[remote kiln]

how is it busted it's still horrid against infantry

it's barely changed since it came out

[fervent rose]

okay deco you're right its perfectly balanced that MAUL cannon 2 shots all ground vehicles

1 shots a brawler at 75% hp

[brittle forge]

I honestly haven’t seen the tor that much

but the people who do use it are really good with it

[remote kiln]

it's literally never used cause infantry is the most powerful form of combat lmao

aside from the transport heli

[fervent rose]

"never used" the last three times i spawned a brawler on flashpoint, i got maul'd at 75% hp

[brittle forge]

Bout to say that’s total bs cause of literally nigh unkillable flying tanks

[fervent rose]

i take a bit of chip damage and the BLAM 1 SHOT

[brittle forge]

They were bad before the repair tool became common place to which is funny

[remote kiln]

yeah but it's still never used statistically compared to literally every other form of vehicle

[fervent rose]

it's not fun

[remote kiln]

there's more MBT users than there are tor

and that speaks for itself

[scenic badger]

they actually increased the hitbox a while back after Lis 2.0 was reverted

[remote kiln]

there are some undiscovered ones atm

[brittle forge]

lis kinda needed to be arguably op since the stinger is literally completely useless against air for anything other than temporarily annoying pilots

you can make them fuck off for 25 seconds but good luck actually killing anything with the stinger

[fervent rose]

this is not how game balance works man

[remote kiln]

ah fair enough

[scenic badger]

yes, everyone gave up on the stinger forever ago, i have like 3 total kills with the stinger yet 600+ with the Lissile lol

[fervent rose]

the stinger needs a buff or aircraft need flare changes

[remote kiln]

I'm curious what the undiscovered ones are

[brittle forge]

I mean yeah that’s how you should do it but the stinger has been trash for a long time.

[karmic egret]

At least DICE still retains some easter eggs

[remote kiln]

BFEE discord atm are trying to find the undiscovered ones

[scenic badger]

stinger still does not go straight into the air iirc? just paths linearly to the aircraft?

[brittle forge]

The Javelin is good but ground targets weren’t the problems anyway

[brittle forge]

the last time i played the stinger still had trouble hitting targets that don’t even flare sometimes. Which has been a problem since launch. And I’m not talking the pilot pulled off some crazy maneuver and it missed, the missile would just randomly fly off

[fervent rose]

its also pretty slow

[remote kiln]

this randomly appearing on orbital

[dapper river]

Season 5 color confirmed purple??? 🤯

[solid imp]

This has been there for at least a few weeks.. maybe a nether portal

[edgy oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-boy-yeah-spider-man-spider-man2-tobey-maguire-tobey-maguire-spider-man-gif-24273193

[remote kiln]

it only appears if you.. orbit around

[oak gulch]

where is this spot exactly?

[remote kiln]

jungle

just over the cliffside

[odd yew]

Purple

[karmic egret]

I want an infantry only map

[remote kiln]

so IFQ?

[oak gulch]

i want strike at karkand

[scenic badger]

we deserve an infantry map with nothing but civilian vehicles like the RZR, 4x4, tuk-tuk and the other Polaris thing

[kindred flint]

daily questioning why people are so trash at the game

[oak gulch]

cuz console assist isnt busted like in cod

[mighty holly]

Speaking about daily question can I question you

[scenic badger]

and also that stupid machine gun drone from Arica Harbor

[kindred flint]

like....mother fuckers cant even capture anything or hold it

also vehicles ruin the game

[arctic grove]

I love thw balck people in battle field bc thay have a big pp

[kindred flint]

and teammates that give away your vehicles....or pilots that literally fly in a straight line and get 2 tapped by missiles, sooo many spawn instant deaths that match

[karmic egret]

Nah I want achi baba 2

[oak gulch]

i skiped bf1 so idk

bf2 maps>all

👌

[mighty holly]

Hear me out

[dapper river]

no

[mighty holly]

Every map that has ever existed

[dapper river]

[mighty holly]

[kindred flint]

lowkey amazed dice hasnt milked out a 2042 karkland

seeing how much they fucking milked out wake island over the years

[crystal marsh]

do you guys think dice should just drop the game after next season ?

[kindred flint]

...you mean what theyre planning on doing currently?

[oak gulch]

karkand need more work than all the current bf2042 maps togheter

[dapper river]

they can't do wake island in 2042 cuz it's underwater

[kindred flint]

i thought about that after posting that...perfect excuse why dice didnt include it in their love letter mode

[oak gulch]

they gonna die from overwork if they try to remake karkand

[crystal marsh]

I don't think the can make players happy with this game

[kindred flint]

and the next BF will be better? lmao

[mighty holly]

Doesn’t 2142 have wake island

[oak gulch]

it does

[kindred flint]

dude they fundamentally failed at making the core of the game

[crystal marsh]

no next battlefield

just drop it

[kindred flint]

basically what they did with this title tbh

[crystal marsh]

make something new that they want to work on

[mighty holly]

Ngl I want a battlefield game that has no special characters

[oak gulch]

i want a new bf that have bf2 maps reworked

[kindred flint]

HoW Do wE SeLl SKinS fOr ThAt GamE?

[cold beacon]

Why isn't ban/kick option coming into the game anyways?

[mighty holly]

[oak gulch]

cuz is toxic

to kick ppl

[fervent rose]

because locking squads / kicking players is TOXIC

[cold beacon]

Oh right

[kindred flint]

women on mic? instant vote kick

[cold beacon]

The feature body complained about in prev titles

[fervent rose]

1 toxicity and i am dead

[cold beacon]

Hell yeah boys

[mighty holly]

Child on mic? Instant vote kick

[kindred flint]

dude....holy shit all the console people with hot mics

[dapper river]

how else would they sell legendary cosmetics then? you think a game would just ALLOW you to pick different uniform parts and gear and equipment and let you kitbash your own character? what do DICE look like to you. miracle workers??

[kindred flint]

id be abusing my kick function

[jagged otter]

ahem, insurgency sandstorm

[cold beacon]

Maybe I would like to Play with mu friends and not have a random in my team?

[mighty holly]

I’ll tell you what I think dice is

Unbased

[cold beacon]

My*

[kindred flint]

ok wild idea though......just make 1 team use green glow sticks, and the other uses red

[mighty holly]

My team is better then your team

[kindred flint]

who got the most rave sticks on them??

new portal game mode

every time you kill someone, you get another glowstick on your character

by the end there is just a nuclear fusion character happening

[dapper river]

and give each character a distinct look and backstory..... then clone them and repeat it across 128 players

[cold beacon]

I Remember that "all chat" was supposed to be toxic

[dapper river]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-meme-gif-22672438

[crystal marsh]

we want battlefield 4 gets a remake wtf is this slow ass game

[next onyx]

I will become a toxic glowstick creature.

[kindred flint]

bf4 was pretty trash

[mighty holly]

ngl I enjoy bfv

[cold beacon]

Yet its a funny way to talk to an enemy, most people are just funny Goofy ahh boys/girls

[mighty holly]

not because of kamikazes but because of it

[kindred flint]

way, please explain how a pp29 outguns an rpt at range???

[dapper river]

a moment of silence for punctuation, proper sentence structure, and a coherent thought 😔

[next onyx]

When touched with the glowstick powers I will transfer the power of autism onto you.

[scenic badger]

yea allchat has been nothing but good times since it came out for me. i especially loved the one time i teabagged someone in revenge and he immediately called me a slur

[next onyx]

Fucked if I know.

[cold beacon]

Hell yeah

[scenic badger]

feels good man lol

[crystal marsh]

sry dad I stupid

[cold beacon]

All chat is fun

But it was supposed to be "toxic" as DICE stated

Well some people are and u cant just change it lol

[scenic badger]

if anything its mostly just one team laughing at something stupid the other team did, and everyone agrees it was indeed stupid, yet funny

[odd yew]

Then just play BF4

[next onyx]

Reminds me of this.

@scenic badger

For some reason.

[cold beacon]

Maybe someone doesnt want some kid sluring in vc and now the whole pack of friends Has to create new team?

[crystal marsh]

kids

[cold beacon]

Like it barely makes sense to make "kick" option unavailable

[kindred flint]

dice doesnt use AI to detect slurs on voice?

microsoft and blizzard are doing that already

[cold beacon]

Bro they have problem with implementing a working anti cheat

[next onyx]

O they are?

[dapper river]

me every day immediately after waking up

[kindred flint]

pretty sure microsoft is using that on xbox

[cold beacon]

And you have such high expectations?

[next onyx]

It's my favourite thing to do.

[kindred flint]

maybe overwatch just does a really good job time stamping the report with in a game so a GM can listen to it and ban people

[cold beacon]

Hell ye

Sluring on friends after waking up is such a mood

[kindred flint]

i mean with you people though calling someone a cunt is like saying hello...so is really a slur?

[cold beacon]

Anyways lads, gtg sleep now, cya

[arctic grove]

Soldier camera motion is an interesting change

[bitter skiff]

ok peckerhead!

[next onyx]

People argue It's a slur when here It's as bad as a swear.

Americans seem to get super offended though.

[kindred flint]

i mean people being stupid isnt exclusive to the US

[arctic grove]

Cunt? Being a slur? Lel

[kindred flint]

UK uses it the same way too

[next onyx]

You say it in a peaceful neighbourhood and some mother with a cross is bound to be nearby and to have a mental breakdown over covering her children's ears.

Here It's just a fact of life!

I just remembered things I shouldn't have.

[kindred flint]

that you live in australia and the earth is trying to kill you?

or that you just have shit internet?

[next onyx]

Still safer than living in the states!

[low timber]

Way, did you ever play BC1?

[next onyx]

Multiplayer no. I played the campaign for a bit.

[kindred flint]

bc1? sounds like some console trash tbh

[next onyx]

Fight me on console big boy!

[kindred flint]

using a joystick in an fps is a sin

[low timber]

I did DM you pics of the Rush maps

[odd yew]

Don’t run into my blades

[scenic badger]

fr?

[karmic egret]

Man Bring back the composers from Battlefield 1 all the soundtracks in the OST and DLC slap

[ebon pilot]

are you proposing we have classical music as the tone for the future?

[lavish stag]

Its epicer (yes it is a word)

[ebon pilot]

I think music helps define eras, and I think the modern era is not defined by classical instruments and composition

[scenic badger]

tries to think about previous future-based game with classic music

i think i prefer the industrial synth most of those era game have, this soundtrack is just kinda hit or miss in some cases

[ebon pilot]

It leans so hard into setting the uniqueness of each map's tone and environment it kinda loses focus on the fact that it's supposed to still kinda feel epic or suspenseful and in a few cases it doesn't really work. Or it's muddled in the massive amount of effects applied to each of the sounds that are supposed to represent the pieces that make up the environment of the map. It works with something like Hourglass like, you can feel the sand and glass in the soundtrack for the map but then there's others like I feel Manifest I can't actually tell what the original sounds were or are supposed to be from.

[bitter skiff]

I love 2042's soundtrack...FWIW

I still turn it down to like 5% tho

[odd yew]

It ain’t that bad

[ebon pilot]

it requires a certain ear that I don't think a lot of people have frankly

[bitter skiff]

LMAO

[acoustic seal]

it's fine, it was just made for a totally different game than the one we got

[humble helm]

It has a soundtrack?

Im not gonna lie my brain couldnt even recognize there was music because Im too focused on how my aim suddenly becomes dog crap when I play this game

[ebon pilot]

that's true too, at launch the tone was everywhere. one half of the company was making a big epic sandbox and the other half was trying to make a serious glimpse into a possible future

[placid echo]

I like the manifest beat

[humble helm]

I cant explain it but I go from chaining heads from a mile away in bfv to not being able to hit a shotgun shot from 5 feet away in 2042

[fervent rose]

that artist's work on chernobyl is amazing. 2042's is.. something. and it doesnt fit the gameplay at all

[scenic badger]

i like a lot of the songs in general, but there always seem to be one segment or two that are just too gritty, not musical enough

[humble helm]

It can be noted that Im only able to turn in increments of like 5 pixels on any sensitivity here on mnk, so when a body is 15 across it becomes insanely hard to even dare hit a head

Would there happen to be aim smoothing

[scenic badger]

industrial synth done right is something like Half Life's soundtracks, or NIN

[kindred flint]

it actually got renamed, its maamifest now

[ebon pilot]

ok ok, here's the thing, Hildur Guðnadóttir did work on 2042, but I think the soundtrack was primarily lead by her husband, Sam Slater. If you listen to any of Sam Slater's personal compositions, it sounds a lot like what we have in 2042.

like, listen to his most recent album "I do not wish to be known as a Vandal" and you'll hear it immediately

[humble helm]

The fact that medics can get to the top of the leaderboard just by reviving yet most dont provides the argument that they actually deserve their position for actually doing their job

[acoustic seal]

if you revive someone who gets no kills, did that revive create any value?

[edgy oriole]

you dont lose ticketws

[humble helm]

I'm struggling to find a role in this game

Everyone does the exact same thing as infantry and vehicles in general feel as good to control as using a motorized sander in place of toilet paper

[kindred flint]

give ammo and heal...be the best support you can be

[humble helm]

Click teammates and click teammates more, how fun

[kindred flint]

ok...be good at the game and kill a shit load of people as falck, res with smokes, and heal constantly

[humble helm]

At its worst the game is awful and at best its just got too many flaws to compare to a majority of shooters, I want to give it the chance though

[edgy oriole]

i have the most fun being a medic. so i spend most my time dying to give other people health.

if i dont wanna heal ill be engi/anti tank

[kindred flint]

this fucker in my match earlier...is sitting in the open, with an APC looking in his direction and he keeps spamming the revive me request

like wtf dude ill get shot

[edgy oriole]

i dont think just farming inf as inf is too fun.

[ebon pilot]

how are you farming inf as inf?

[scenic badger]

Exploit the game's OP mechanics to make it more fun for you and worse for others 🫠

[edgy oriole]

just flank

[ebon pilot]

are you sitting in one place waiting for people to run by you or are you pushing up on everyone

[edgy oriole]

its dumb easy to get kills in the game

so id rather play as support and be in the middle of the meat grinder

[humble helm]

There's something wrong with aiming I dunno

I'm god awful with precision weapons in this game and don't like most if any automatics

Any settings I could use for improving the crunchy aiming?

[ebon pilot]

the what

[arctic grove]

Is uniform soldier aiming on for you?

The game also has a firing input bug, any time you’re shooting your fine control drops out

[humble helm]

With scopes the smallest possible movement is a chunk of your fov instead of 1 degree like other games

[arctic grove]

There’s unfortunately only so much you can do

[edgy oriole]

if you playing on pc there is a setting in the files called DOF i changed that to 0 and i swear the gunplay feels better

[humble helm]

DOF, I'll check it out thanks

Depth of Field?

[edgy oriole]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfKl3Kg_3oU&t=92s

i have zero idea

i copied this dudes settings and it was all pretty similar until the dof

[warm zealot]

Mouse input broken

Don’t bother

[arctic grove]

Firing input has become so unbearable I just don’t bother with playing rn, haven’t even finished the battle pass despite being like 20 tiers away

But I’m lowkey still excited about those camera motion changes the podcast talked about. Always like a nice presentation with animations n stuff, so that’s progress

[karmic egret]

I'm on trial for aggravated tom foolery

[scenic badger]

Only thing worse than firing input delay is parachute opening delay

Or closing

[arctic grove]

Oh yeah that still exists

It got SLIGHTLY better a few months back

[scenic badger]

Yeah it did, but I find I have similar issues with Sundance aerial animations now that I'm using her again

[humble helm]

I sure do love not being able to trust the one thing that will let me go down quicker

[acoustic seal]

me when "holding 3 with falck is faster"

[ebon pilot]

when the spam ping

[humble helm]

I would genuinely prefer sticking a certain part of myself into a blender over flying air vehicles

[ebon pilot]

what control scheme are you using

[humble helm]

mouse and keyboard

[ebon pilot]

for flying

wasd + mouse?

[humble helm]

There is not an existing configuration I would like, its the physics of it

Like on a helicopter there's no definitive way to go forward, you've gotta be pressing 2 buttons at a time with 1 additional to angle, and precise angling requires the mouse

Then there's jets which just feel god awful

[ebon pilot]

for helicoptors there's flight assist which is what's causing you to have to continuously press in a certain direction to maintain the angle

if you turn off flight assist you just look down and it continues to look down until you pull back

[humble helm]

Even then there's the issue of how many inputs it takes to switch directions, oiled boiling butter is easier and less painful to control

I don't like them, it's an all or nothing kind of deal with driving them I guess

[acoustic seal]

(he lacks the critical information)

the flight assist toggle is bugged and turning it off doesn't do anything

[humble helm]

Working or not its still my least favorite controls in gaming

Like games designed around having god awful movement as a challenge are a little easier than helis

[acoustic seal]

battlefield 1

[humble helm]

Oh yeah back when it was actually fun to fly

[acoustic seal]

oh i was thinking about post-slide nerf infantry movement

"awful movement as a challenge" yknow

[humble helm]

I'd take another movement nerf in bf1 than dare to fly a helicopter

It's that bad

[karmic egret]

haha 2042 physics go brrrrrrr

[humble helm]

I hate them

"It's better than nothing"
it isnt

[crimson wasp]

I'm not the biggest fan of aircraft in BF2042 either tbh

they feel too light to control 👁️

[acoustic seal]

i'll comment on it when it's not bugged

some day™️

[copper ice]

the jets look like how the starfighters in swbf2 fly

which they probably shouldnt do considering they dont go into space

[humble helm]

Its a little comedic

Theres more regional full servers in bf1 and bf5 than 60+ player servers as a whole in portal, and thats the only place you can browse for low ping servers

[dawn cedar]

Previously the felt like flying boats

[kind token]

RushXL is back lfg

[odd yew]

[granite island]

RushXL but it's launchers only

[warm stirrup]

Anyone see overwatch 2 pve mode was cancelled?

4years of work scrapped

https://youtu.be/nmY2RH08IZ8

[neon igloo]

Just reached 3.0 K/D

[crimson wasp]

man's a gamer

👏

[odd yew]

I have a .69 KD

[edgy oriole]

i like to get to 2kd then tank it by being an aggressive soflam user for 2 weeks.

[odd yew]

I will snipe soflam users

[edgy oriole]

cant catch me. i break dance while soflaming

[odd yew]

C4s don’t miss

[tepid agate]

Is 2042 not extending their seasons? After the recent Facebook post, quite a few comments speculating and hoping it's not going to stop. 🧐

[odd yew]

What Facebook post

[tepid agate]

The released a small trailer advertising a bundle you can buy in the store.

[odd yew]

Oh

[wide shore]

I mean there was that accidental message about a year two. But we have no info past season 5

[odd yew]

Or unless the year 2 gets scrapped

[edgy oriole]

ive heard temp has datamined stuff all the way to season 8

[tepid agate]

How soon do they often advertise new seasons during the current one?

[odd yew]

[edgy oriole]

last week or 2 of current season

[tepid agate]

How long left in this one?

[edgy oriole]

they started talking about season 5 like a week or so before season 4

3 weeks starting today

[odd yew]

Season 5 BP for free

[tepid agate]

Ah, so they should update in the next 2 weeks. But hour glass still needs it's rework right? So that should be in season 5.

[arctic grove]

It’s plausible dice wants to draw out a full year 2 reveal since they only confirmed anything related to post y1 content mid season 3, that’s just how they are

[edgy oriole]

really the only thing i know of season 5 is there is a gadget they are excited about. and possible remake or reimagine of a bf4 map

hourglass should be season 5. unless they need more time. to fix that mess they prolly had to remake the map completely

[odd yew]

A gadget that one shots vehicles

[arctic grove]

are you serious?

[odd yew]

No

[arctic grove]

I was about to implode

[odd yew]

[edgy oriole]

they wont give any details other than they are excited about it

alex said in here there is a weapon with 50 in the name

[odd yew]

50 Cal V2

[edgy oriole]

and idk where i heard about the new map being a remake/reimagine of bf4

[tepid agate]

Isn't that their final launch map to rework though? Then they can focus all on new 2042 content and deliver more.

[karmic egret]

Make bahkmut a map

[edgy oriole]

yeah but idk how much they are gonna drop. i think right now them and another studio is making maps. so maybe we will get 2 new maps per season after.

[arctic grove]

2 maps a season is reasonable

[edgy oriole]

or a new map and a portal map

[odd yew]

And then we get BF7

[arctic grove]

They’re split between reworks and making maps for 2 generations of console rn but I’m like pretty sure they can manage 2

[tepid agate]

I look forward to bf7.

[arctic grove]

Considering their other implications as well

[edgy oriole]

they should end the life of last gen now.

imo

[arctic grove]

BF7 doesn’t even have to be massively new. If anything it deadass just needs to combine old things

[arctic grove]

Agreed, since new gen consoles are going into more supply

[white geyser]

Disappointed from them and since no PvE mode in OW2, they can fuck off for ripping off the fans who enjoyed playing OW2

[odd yew]

Battlefield 7 next gen only, drop old gen support

[arctic grove]

next BF being new gen seems reasonable

that’s like what, 2024/25, so ye

[tepid agate]

Wonder if bf7 will support ps5 controller resistances.

[arctic grove]

hopefully

[odd yew]

That’ll be cool

[arctic grove]

I’m disappointed with 2042 still lacking basic mkb console support

At the least they could’ve given us haptic triggers

[tepid agate]

I was surprised playing mw2 and feeling it for every weapon.

[arctic grove]

but tbf this game was made during the PS5s release, so I get it

[arctic grove]

It changes? That’s cool, I’ll probably check it out. I usually put fire and aim on r1/l1 so I never really did anything with it

[copper fulcrum]

I'm the kinda guy that turns it off

[arctic grove]

idk why one thing Sony changed with the PS4 was putting aim and fire on the bottom triggers

[odd yew]

[lavish stag]

Won't it release on ps5 (and ps6) like bf2042 did...

[tepid agate]

Every weapon has different resistances on the controller.

[odd yew]

The PS6 won’t be until 2027 or 2028

[copper fulcrum]

PS6 is quite a distance away from here

Through backwards compatibility it might lol

[tepid agate]

It should do

[copper fulcrum]

that is if Playstation doesn't get rid of the feature with the new console lol

[warm stirrup]

They basically could have done everything rn in an update

[arctic grove]

oh yeah backwards compatibility. Why the hell don’t we have that man

[lavish stag]

That's what I'm saying it'll come out after the world cup

[odd yew]

[arctic grove]

I know there’s PS now but damn

[copper fulcrum]

Remember to buy the new Ratchet and Clank to see our new storage device reading speeds

[odd yew]

Yeah

[edgy oriole]

psnow doesnt even have ps3 games i think

only ps1, 2 and 4

[arctic grove]

It has some, I know for a fact it has grid 2013

which is kinda cool, but it isn’t really playable because it kinda breaks at a certain loading screen

[copper fulcrum]

Meanwhile Nintendo

[tepid agate]

They should remake The Darkness.

[copper fulcrum]

Nintendo getting rid of emulators as best they can, giving lawsuits and shit. It wouldn't surprise me if they try to recall the classic NES/SNES consoles at this point lol

[ebon pilot]

perfect emulation hard

unless you just include the whole system inside the system

[twin ibex]

K30 with extended or drum mag?

[ebon pilot]

I prefer extended personally. I'm reloading every time why not make it faster

[arctic grove]

Nah I get it, I just feel jealous of Xbox

[kindred flint]

lmao why the fuck did i start the game again

fucking 43 pt loss on kale, team just throws away the victory per usual

[odd yew]