battlefield-2042

[next onyx]

Yeah the shorty and RM are not fine.

RM is broken with the short barrel.

[balmy basin]

Theyre fine

[next onyx]

Shorty shouldn't have the draw time it does considering its ease as the best shotgun in the game.

[wide shore]

Should I be using it with that?

[balmy basin]

Neither of them are that bad

[wide shore]

I think the shorty is fine

[balmy basin]

RM too

[glacial quarry]

yes

absolutely

[wide shore]

I don’t feel like I get disproportionately killed by it. If anything the G57 still heavily clears

[glacial quarry]

i would also use cqb rounds unless ur playing long range mostlyy

faster reload is so good

[wide shore]

I usually play mid to long

But I’d be willing to try

[glacial quarry]

standard would be better for you in that case

just take this into account:

cqb is 4 shot till 30m, 5 shot till 100m. standard is 40m/150m

fire rate is p much almost the same just the reload speed

[wide shore]

So really it’s the reload speed more than anything

[glacial quarry]

yeah

[wide shore]

Hmm.

[glacial quarry]

i use cqb rounds mostly

cqb rounds have a bit less recoil too

but doesnt matter

[wide shore]

Good to know. I’ll try it with the short barrel. Probably gotta unlock it tho

[glacial quarry]

the 4 shot TTK is the same, 5 shot ttk cqb round is faster by 22ms but not too important

i just dont find 30m vs 40m 4 shot kill much of a diff so i go cqb

its really the 100 vs 150 ur after

since rm68 can still nail people past 100m

with the standard

im also much more familiar with 30m/100m since lcmg is the same

[small marsh]

sometimes i like 2 wear a cowboy hat on my head when i play

[summer crescent]

So now this game is starting to get hackers

[glacial quarry]

“starting”

asia has hackers everywhere since launch

[summer crescent]

This one is some guy with a bunch of “I”’s and 1’s

[edgy oriole]

yeah been playing since launch

the guy you are talking about crazy

[summer crescent]

So much for anti cheat

[edgy oriole]

ive gotten 2 cheaters banned but they cant catch him for some reason

prolly made his own cheats is my guess

[glacial quarry]

link his profile in #stats

[carmine rover]

this is a glorious day for ntw enjoyers (me)

finally .. a legendary skin

🥺

[edgy oriole]

its a mix-match of 1 and l. so only way to do that is if they recorded the game and wrote it out

someone did put a video of him in here the other day tho but i cant remember who

[arctic grove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1044606080388444210/1092596795412074606/8mb.video-LXe-7sdfS1OY.mp4 cod moment

[glacial quarry]

hes prolly just really good or something usually hacks are very obvious

[edgy oriole]

no he a auto aimer, speed hacker and insta headshotter

like i said he prolly made his own ccheats

[glacial quarry]

oh

[edgy oriole]

my first time with him he was headshot spawn killing me and teammates through smoke. only time we could kill him is the close quarters of the map bc cheaters suck at that for some reason

[arctic grove]

Cheaters gonna cheat gooey

They obviously have skill issues since they have to cheat.

[edgy oriole]

@glacial quarry this him. video too blury for me tho

this the same guy

i wish i could cheat

i mean

[carmine rover]

whos cheating

[glacial quarry]

rofl

i never see speedhacks here yet its all just aimbotters

[copper ice]

that's more the other shotguns being awful imo

there's no reason the shorty should be outperforming the MCS

other than very poor balance

[balmy basin]

I mean there isn't too many guns in this game that are absolutely terrible honestly it's just a matter of building them properly

[tall bridge]

Have yet to use the shorty. Is it really that bad?

[arctic grove]

how to open scoreboard

[ebon pilot]

tab

[arctic grove]

cap

[copper ice]

no because it's still a shotgun in 2042 and subject to horrible random spread that causes it to fail to kill under 5m and sometimes ohk at 20m

it's just a secondary so you have an actual alternative to use most of the time

[copper ice]

that's because everything feels very samey

building them barely matters with how little impact most of the attachments have

[hybrid totem]

pull trigger, bullet go far. All guns same

[tall bridge]

Yeah that was mostly what I was expecting it to be. Shotguns are weird and figured this one would be no different. Still, a nice alternative to the pistol selection

[copper ice]

1.25x or thermal on most things, biggest mag on most things, ubgl or laser sight, short barrel or wrapped suppressor

congrats you've built every single gun in the game

there's a handful of guns that don't adhere to this and 60% of them are sniper rifles

for having the plus system be their gimmick they've done an awful job at actually having impactful attachments

[frank sequoia]

Not to be political but, Mackay>

[copper ice]

they've also done a horrible job of balancing specialists

mackay being the forefront of that

[frank sequoia]

Would be cool if they did a system like battlefront 2’s heroes. Like each squad has the opportunity to take over squad leader picking a hero after some points. Like Bad Co 2 portal games can sometimes get the campaign protagonists/ antagonist with slightly better traits or something

[copper ice]

that would just lead to the best players stomping even harder

alternatively, that already exists with vehicle mains

i was very fond of the reinforcement system in bfv

[frank sequoia]

I mean you’d lose the character once you died, I can imagine ea could take notes from the ups/ downs of battlefront 2’s heroes

[copper ice]

swbf2 had utterly horrendous hero balance for a very very long time

i dont trust them to not fuck it up at all

[eager spire]

it wouldn't work here because the way it works in Battlefront 2 is that all of those hero characters are recognizable and iconic characters. Battlefield does not have those.

also what chunky said

[copper ice]

currently you lose vehicles once you die as well, but they just don't die if they're remotely careful

[tall bridge]

Pass on getting melted by boba fett flying through the air

[copper ice]

imagine an assault with 300 health that's got all the passives and gadgets of every assault spec

no thx

[arctic grove]

Yesterday, somehow, an anti tank mine killed an air transport

[acoustic seal]

one bursting idiots across the map with the battlefront 2005 burst rifle 😌

[hybrid totem]

I really do want a grappling hook/wingsuit specialist

[copper ice]

dont give them any ideas i beg you

[arctic grove]

There is already a grappling hook

[hybrid totem]

and a wingsuit! Gimme both in one pls

[arctic grove]

lol

[tall bridge]

That's Thanos levels of power

[hybrid totem]

remove the grenades and strafe speed, idc, I just wanna fly around from anywhere

[heavy vine]

yo for some reason all of a sudden I can't mouse aim whilst zoomed in on jets. Has anyone else had this problem? I haven't touched any of my settings

[tall bridge]

At that rate, might as well make one specialist a pilot from Titanfall in some obscure crossover event

[copper ice]

ok THAT i can get behind

[hybrid totem]

yes we also need battle mechs, good call

[copper ice]

i am actually horrendously disappointed at the lack of mechs

[arctic grove]

Make bf2042 titanfall 3

[tall bridge]

Has ability to ride ranger

[copper ice]

why does the jet and condor have vtol mode instead of mech mode

they dont need to hover, they need LEGS

[arctic grove]

Elgs

[copper ice]

jet does a strafing run and then drops onto the obj and starts punching people

[acoustic seal]

i'm already more scared of the mav than i was of the tf|2 mechs

[arctic grove]

WWE

[copper ice]

that was the beautiful thing about titanfall! the mechs actually died

[hybrid totem]

and vehicles should be able to pick up and throw other vehicles

[copper ice]

no fucking repair tools or anything

best you could do was eat a battery which was like 33% of a single health bar and a temporary shield

the titans dying was part of the flow of combat

[arctic grove]

Yep

[copper ice]

meanwhile in bf you have tanks going 125 to 0

[arctic grove]

Depressing

[copper ice]

the game would genuinely be more fun if it was cranked up to be more like titanfall imo

[tall bridge]

Eh

[arctic grove]

We need tf3

[copper ice]

vehicles dying faster but having higher firepower and lower respawn times

half of them dont even feel good to use or fight against currently

[arctic grove]

Sitting in spawn with a tank is unpunishable and very easy

[copper ice]

the coaxial machine gun on every tank is ass, the hmg on top of most vehicles is pretty ass, clunky movement

[acoustic seal]

anti tank options are really good already, it's just that nobody is using them

[copper ice]

the only good anti tank option is c5

if it's out of c5 range it doesn't die

[arctic grove]

What about corner sitting?

[copper ice]

if it's in c5 range it dies

it's a horrible way to play the game for both sides

[tall bridge]

Liz's TGM is decent

[copper ice]

it's an irritancy

[acoustic seal]

tanks do that because... wait for it... anti tank options like lis are really powerful

[copper ice]

can't dodge it as a tank but the damage is low enough that it very rarely kills unless you're a solo tank vs multitudes of lis

[arctic grove]

You can out damage it with 2 engies

[copper ice]

if you survive the initial 2 shots she takes like 30 seconds to recharge another rocket as well

[acoustic seal]

c5 is a horrible bar to go by because you're given enough to solo a tank

[copper ice]

that's another silly balance thing

3 c5 is insane

but since you don't get a launcher alongside c5....

we have no anti tank nades that deal damage

it's very all or nothing

[arctic grove]

BFV had the type 2 mines

[tall bridge]

Well in a squad with a least one liz, one other rocket guy and a c5 as the third.... pretty nasty for dealing with ground vehicles and can easy chase off air

[arctic grove]

And boomstick

[copper ice]

lis is the only spec in the whole game with a launcher and a gadget that doesnt suck and she's still like 80% of engies

and she still can't confirm kills if the vehicle is remotely careful or has a single repairbot

[tame cobalt]

Lis is too effective against ground and too ineffective against air

[copper ice]

1 person repairing outdoes two engies with launchers

1 irish aps negates all launchers entirely

[tall bridge]

^

[copper ice]

and its a lot easier to get a coherent squad focused on a vehicle with randoms than a coherent squad focused on anti-vehicle infantry

i hopped in a wildcat one time to try and counter a couple of condors that were very fucking annoying and two lis's stuck to me like magnets

enemy had over 5 lis focusing me and the 2 friendly lis just repairbotted me through all their damage

i didnt even have to try and dodge

[tall bridge]

RAM has a decent short range AA

[tame cobalt]

Reduce lis rocket damage against ground vehicles and make the rocket handling slightly easier to improve effectiveness against aircraft

[copper ice]

it's way way way balanced in favour of the vehicles currently

don't reduce any lis effectiveness while boris and crawford are still this dogshit

[tame cobalt]

[copper ice]

boris is literally the worst spec in the game and crawford isn't far behind

[tame cobalt]

yes

[kindred flint]

Boris rework before servers are shut down?

[tame cobalt]

Irish would've been a fun engineer

[copper ice]

i dont even want a rework just turn his turret into a fuckin sfar with 40mm AP

[tame cobalt]

The placeable shield imo

[copper ice]

irish is already the designated tanker

if he had repair tool as well i'd have uninstalled literally immediately

[tame cobalt]

Kek

[copper ice]

tank squads consisting of 4 irishes no thank you

get through 2 barricades and 6 APS

then get through 3 repairbots

absolute hell

[tame cobalt]

Nightmare fuel

[copper ice]

i literally cannot imagine a worse experience

maybe if you could stick an APS on the top of a transport heli

[hybrid totem]

and the vehicles are already shadows of their former selves.

[copper ice]

thats about the only thing i can think of

[hybrid totem]

Except nightbirds

[copper ice]

just makes me gladder i didn't pick the game up at the start

[hybrid totem]

Why, because you'd be happier now, knowing how it used to be?

[copper ice]

coming into the game a month or two or three ago as a fresh experience, it still felt horrendously poorly balance

like if THAT was the release state i'd have still wanted a refund

and that's a year after release

so much for learning from bfv

or learning from swbf2

or bf1

etc

[hybrid totem]

...that's literally DICE's MO

[acoustic seal]

i'll say it again, specialists as they are right now are balanced for 5v5 not 64v64

[hybrid totem]

We make fun of it every single time they release a game

[eager spire]

Counterpoint: Lis would've been better balanced even after the massive buff she got if she didn't have TV missiles, and instead had the SRAW from BF4.

[copper ice]

lis is in a fantastic place where she's both incredibly irritating to play against and incredibly irritating to play

[tame cobalt]

but tv rocket fun

[copper ice]

which is literally the worst design possible

tv missile on infantry is a horrible idea i agree and yet somehow it got in

[eager spire]

but the concept of giving an infantry player TV missiles is fundamentally unbalanced and should not have even been considered.

because it's stupid.

[carmine rover]

hiii lycan

[eager spire]

hello

[copper ice]

unsurprising considering they then made an almost hitscan tank designed for anti-vehicle purposes

they do not care about stupid

[eager spire]

maybe they should

if they did then they'd probably make a better game.

[copper ice]

god im glad i uninstalled

[clever marlin]

congrats?

[copper ice]

better game doesnt sell sick skinz

[eager spire]

YES IT WOULD BECAUSE MORE PEOPLE WOULD BE PLAYING IT

[copper ice]

omggg look at that tank it shoots railgun thats so kewl i need 6 skins now

[eager spire]

AND ACTUALLY ENJOYING THAT EXPERIENCE

INSTEAD OF JUST OVERDOSING ON FUCKING COPIUM 24/7

[hybrid totem]

you uninstalled? Do you have a condition that will trigger a reinstall?

[copper ice]

lycan you're my favourite bf discord denizen

[acoustic seal]

i dare say it could've considering the drop from launch to 3 months in

[carmine rover]

i got a new cool frog pin that says they/them with the nb colours 🥺

[copper ice]

devs showing even a modicum of concern about balance would probably suck me back in

[eager spire]

👍

[carmine rover]

meow.

[copper ice]

the thing that triggered the uninstall was totalfps telling me they needed more time to balance the APS

[hybrid totem]

So you're still on this server talking about how much you dislike it?

[next onyx]

I'm glad I've been avoiding the cancer lobbies for the majority of the time and enjoying the game.

[copper ice]

yes, in the hopes it changes so i can actually like it

i like battlefield a ton conceptually

[clever marlin]

So your arguement against using the railgun tank is that you need skins to play well in it?

[hybrid totem]

What are you playing in the meantime?

[copper ice]

my argument against using it is that it is a fucking nightmare to balance when it's fundamentally going to shit on aircraft with velocity that high whatever you do but you can't nerf the velocity without it not being a railgun anymore

[eager spire]

I like BF's infantry gameplay, it's relatively fast paced while being distinct enough from CoD to not just be like that on large maps, even though it is really just an arcade shooter with large maps, let's be real.

[copper ice]

it's a horrible idea conceptually if you think about it for literally 1 minute

and they just crammed it in the game anyway

[next onyx]

Can just say it's a heavier round (using maul) - increase the charge needed & lower the velocity.

[eager spire]

can't lower the velocity, it's a railgun

[clever marlin]

Not really because it’s a good counter to the flying tanks that are the super hind and condor

[copper ice]

having to pick a broken shit to counter the other broken shits is not good

should not be picking a tank to counter helis instead of the dedicated AA

its like rock paper scissors apart from scissors pierces rock and paper blunts scissors

[next onyx]

Don't care that it's a railgun.

[copper ice]

mordhau is the closest i can get to widespread combat where i feel like a faceless part of a mass that's still arcadey and casual

[carmine rover]

rorsch needs a buff

[hybrid totem]

yes the AA 30mm cannons should be buffed, agreed

[copper ice]

i've tried stuff like hell let loose etc but it's too hardcore for me

most of the vehicles dont even feel good to use honestly

[hybrid totem]

Next up - Wildcat get s a new cannon - and it's railly familiar

[copper ice]

the 30mm cannons on wildcat feel like shit compared to every other 30mm in the game

they have no aoe and are like an 8 hit kill on infantry

which is insanely bad

double 30mm should be tearing through infantry like butter

the coaxial tank machine gun is better at killing infantry and that's STILL SHIT

[hybrid totem]

are you... now advocating for a vehicle buff?

[next onyx]

Oh yeah stealth chopper 30 mm's yeah that wasn't a good idea.

[copper ice]

i'm advocating for both a vehicle buff and nerf

alongside infantry

because they're skewed in multiple directions

[clever marlin]

if any vehicle needs a nerf, its the nightbird

its WAY too quick

[copper ice]

vehicles are a nightmare to kill and dont feel good to use because lots of their weaponry is poor

[eager spire]

The transport helis still exist you know

[copper ice]

infantry launchers suck and c5 having a 3 stack by default is nuts

[clever marlin]

which is fair, but they are slow in comparison to the nightbird

[copper ice]

tor absolutely annihilates all vehicles and is completely worthless against infantry with it's shoddy aoe and inability to adjust aim while charging

[clever marlin]

well yeah, the tor is an anti tank tank

[hybrid totem]

vehicles are a nightmare to kill AND being able to kill them with one haul of c4 is nuts? I'm having trouble following now

[copper ice]

yes

they're borderline immortal outside of c5 range and made of paper within c5 range

a single person can toss 3 c5 in under a second and a half

you spawn with 3 c5

[hybrid totem]

I mean they are meant to be a reckoning force on the battlefield. Do you want them to become as easy as infantry to kill?

[copper ice]

they can't be a proper reckoning force because they die immediately to c5 when they get close so they just camp and blow the shit out of you from 50m - 400m away all round instead

i would like them to be significantly easier to kill alongside having more kill ability themselves

vehicles do actually get blown up irl

[copper ice]

it's still ass to have absolutely minimal anti-infantry capability

sit on a hill 500m away all game and make sure no one in a heli gets to play

too rock paper scissors

you just wait for a vehicle to show up and fuck them

[hybrid totem]

Either that or let the heli run free all game making sure no one else in the air gets to play

[copper ice]

tiger in bfv had dedicated "shit on other vehicles" role but it could still tear up infantry

i had a match of flashpoint bt defence prior to the initial changes where I went wildcat 30mm to deal with their transport heli

after taking it down, i'm now basically useless because the 30mm is shit against all ground targets

but i cant just ditch it because it's a vehicle so i have to hang around and wait for the heli to come back

feels like ass to play

the heli came back with 50mm and fucked me because the balance is also

[hybrid totem]

that's another bit, these maps all need a lot more cover from aircraft

[copper ice]

so i respawned in a tor and fucked the heli, then again i could barely do anything to the infantry and had to wait for an angle to hit their vehicles

[arctic grove]

„cod killer“💀

[copper ice]

being dedicated anti-vehicle is one thing but they're fucking AWFUL at killing infantry

[fervent rose]

the tor is so fucking stupid

[copper ice]

like i could get out and shoot with my AR and do a better job

dual 30mm should not be worse at killing infantry than a fucking glock

from both a realism and balance perspective

[spiral folio]

Yea thats what happens when things get stupefied for gameplay

[copper ice]

it doesn't even feel good for gameplay though

it feels awful

[fervent rose]

the reason why 30mm doesnt fuck up infantry is because theres other seats that are way overtuned

wildcat 60mm mortar

[spiral folio]

You wouldnt need infantry if 30mm did 30mm damage

[copper ice]

i still have to unlock that bloody thing

turns out it's hard to get kills to unlock things that get kills when the default is things that dont get kills

i love progression

[copper ice]

the jeep should not be doing better than the wildcat man

i'm not saying make the wildcat obliterate everything, it shouldn't have aoe, but it shouldn't be an 8 hit kill

especially with it's spread

killing infantry well while being totally unable to kill them in cover is fair (ignore 60mm mortar 60mm mortar doesn't exist)

[arctic grove]

Nobody said that

Vanguard contender tho

[copper ice]

every single time i've used the wildcat i've felt like i could get out and kill infantry better with the glock

[spiral folio]

Hypothetical game where the hellcats 30mm does 30mm damage though at that fire rate.

Jeep comes not knowing about the approaching hellcat.

Comes around the corner
Bobobobobobob the jeep is swiss cheesed. Literally nothing left. Fist sized holes torn through the engine instantly.

[copper ice]

and that is a fundamental failure

[copper ice]

i'm okay with this.

half jk

[hybrid totem]

what is this ,a bee flying into the sunrise?

[copper ice]

for balance purposes it can still be ass against ground vehicles

but it kills helis faster than infantry

that's insane

[spiral folio]

Infantry hiding behind sections of ships on discarded. The hellcst sweeps its gun at 3 feet punching holes through the half inch thick ship sections obliterating anyone behind them

[copper ice]

i would KILL for penetration in 2042

[fervent rose]

i'm okay with 30mm cannon not being great vs infantry. however it just makes the avg bad player remove the 30mm cannon

[arctic grove]

Black hole consuming the laughing emoji

[copper ice]

stop i'm missing bfv again

[spiral folio]

M1a5 fires a shot from 2 miles away piercing the hellcats turret destroying the crew entirely

[hybrid totem]

I... What? I mean I know I can't see them, but I have no idea how that's a black hole

[copper ice]

game has no stats for vehicle weapons so people use the 30mm cannon, see it's shit against infantry, remove it first chance possible

[hybrid totem]

⚫

that's a black hole

[arctic grove]

The blackhole consumed the laughing emoji itself

[hybrid totem]

I think I would be better served by askign what you meant in that context?

Is it metaphorica;?

[copper ice]

idk why the thing with dual 30mms would perform worse than a single 30mm against infantry

[arctic grove]

What, by vanguard contender?

[copper ice]

especially when the single 30mm is on the most basic transport vehicle

BALANCE

i hate dice

[spiral folio]

Yea it enters the realism rabbit hole fast because the hellcat would 100% stop all infantry with that fire rate

[hybrid totem]

I guess. is that emoji supposed to indicate... I'm baffled

[spiral folio]

In afghanistan they'd use the bradleys gun to punch holes in 2 foot thick mud brick house walls

[hybrid totem]

I always knew emojis would stop making sense to me eventually. Emoticons are superior anyway :p

[arctic grove]

you shouldve seen twitter before this released

[copper ice]

It doesn't need to be literally irl performance

[arctic grove]

Fair enough. Pre launch hype was all over the place

[fervent rose]

30mm is fine, they just need to remove the other options because bad players opt for them, hamstringing their AA ability

[spiral folio]

So like 4x30mm guns at loke realistic power would be an outrage. And youd need something equally potent to put an end to it

[copper ice]

There is a midground between penetrating everything in the game and killing all infantry in one shot while having 1200rof and being worse at killing infantry than the glock at all ranges

[arctic grove]

Thought you were referring to someone here

[copper ice]

it could just.. be better than the glock

[fervent rose]

or they need to rework the vehicle and remove a seat or two

[hybrid totem]

just replace the 30mm cannons with dual glocks with extended mags

[copper ice]

this would unironically be a buff

especially if you give it AP ammo

[fervent rose]

the driver shouldnt be an infantry slaughterhouse with how theres bonus seats with a mortar involved

[hybrid totem]

That's what I was just thinking, AP ammo for sure lol

[spiral folio]

In a realistic situation if an enemy rolled in an AA gun unloading it on infantry. They'd run til a javelin could be brought in and 1 shot kill the sob

[copper ice]

the mortar is the issue!

[copper ice]

to be perfectly honest this is my ideal battlefield

[fervent rose]

that whole seat shouldnt exist

or should just be a 7.62

[spiral folio]

Or have a f35 engage it from 2 miles away

[hybrid totem]

so... hardcore mode?

[copper ice]

shitloads of vehicles that tear up house and die incredibly quickly

[next onyx]

Lol I defibbed a defuser.

[hybrid totem]

Chunky it really sounds like you'd love hardcore

[spiral folio]

Or a tank would 1 shot ot

[copper ice]

reduce respawn speed increase damage across the board

[copper ice]

noo because that increases infantry damage against each other

i like standard infantry vs infantry

i just want vehicles to be glass cannons

[arctic grove]

But that literally just sounds like we’re teetering towards milsim

[copper ice]

titanfall spoiled me

[fervent rose]

also it makes vehicle damage hilariously broken

[spiral folio]

Yea unfortunately theres no way to hardcore vehicles

[fervent rose]

he just wants vehicle vs vehicle and infantry AT to be better

[copper ice]

i have no issues with infantry combat being exactly the same and tanks dying in one rocket

[fervent rose]

hardcore sucks

[copper ice]

i would take tanks dying instantly a thousand times over people going 125 - 0

a single match where a vehicle never dies is an indicator balance is fucked to me

let alone consistently happening

[arctic grove]

That is disgusting, in general tanks as vehicles do not perform nearly as good to justify that with their maneuverability

It’s also not that common to see tanks going 125-0 so balancing against that possibility is just going to hurt everyone else

[copper ice]

that's why i said crank them up too

[fervent rose]

i'd also love to see more mobility

make them faster, but easier to kill

[copper ice]

^

shit, remove the treads on the tor and let it float

hovercraft tank

[cyan sundial]

Anyone know the bullet velocity of the gol magnum?

[arctic grove]

I’d rather see tanks the way they are now. Capable damage output but an actual time to kill, even in 64p tanks dying in 1 rocket is fuckin crazy

[fervent rose]

nah at most it should be 2 rockets in the rear

[copper ice]

i dont think they should die in literally one hit but currently they take over 8 rockets if they have even a single repairbot

[fervent rose]

but the current balance is trash

[arctic grove]

2 to the rear is fair

God that sounds weird

[copper ice]

and that's in quick succession

while 3 c5 kills them instantly

[spiral folio]

Battlefield isnt expansive enough for realistic combat. Even i can see that

[arctic grove]

That’s another balancing issue but should definitely be resolved imo

[copper ice]

like, they literally already die immediately

just at close range

which is stupid in its own way

[spiral folio]

You coukd have realistic infantry combat but not realistic vehicle combat

[fervent rose]

yea and the tank angling stuff in bfv was very immersive, but it didnt help the flow of the game

[arctic grove]

Self instant repair should just die, replace it with Vs system or force vehicles to retreat for auto regen anyways

[copper ice]

fast death at close range with poor mobility just makes everyone camp

bfv proved this to death and back

and then 2042 made it WORSE

[hybrid totem]

A moment for the history books, ladies and lads

[fervent rose]

but bfv had the repair button

tanks were truly 130hp

unless you instakilled em

[eager spire]

Realistic infantry combat with unrealistic vehicles would suck ass.

[spiral folio]

Realistic modern vehicle combat would require like full tank and armor battalions cause you dont just send 1 tank in.

Its like platoons of 5 tanks each supported by light armor supported by infanty companies

Then repeat for multiple battaliond

[copper ice]

i am definitely biased because i idolise titanfall infantry/vehicle interaction as my favourite in any shooter but i still think it holds up as an actual argument

[arctic grove]

Yea but you had to hold it to repair, in 2042 you can instantly press it to repair HP but in V vehicles pull back and wait

[fervent rose]

V had both

[spiral folio]

Yea but titanfalls mechs had tiny weapons

[copper ice]

2042 repair takes place over a couple of seconds and can be interrupted

bfv had literally instant repair button

[fervent rose]

quick repair was the best button in bfv tanking

[copper ice]

fucking bane of my gameplay

2 dynamite 3 piats anti tank nade and it's still LIMPING

[arctic grove]

Oh shit really? Sorry about that then, I haven’t touched tanks much but I noticed the extended repair thing

[copper ice]

Yeah i talk about the bfv good times but I was complaining about it even more than i complain about 2042 at the time

it had a lot of really dumb shit

[spiral folio]

Bf1 was peak vehicles balanced vs infantry

[fervent rose]

bfv is full of wack choices. just look at the aircraft

dogfights were doing circles around a resupply point

[copper ice]

tbh i'd take any titanfall weapon for a vehicle over anything currently in the game

[eager spire]

Infantry combat sucked in BF1.

[copper ice]

i do actually like vehicle human interaction in bf1

[spiral folio]

If you balanced bf vehicles compared to titanfall weapons though

[copper ice]

launchers required bipod but tanks actually did die

[fervent rose]

bf1 infantry vs vehicle is fine

[spiral folio]

A titan would struggle against a panzer4

[fervent rose]

bf3 did it best

[copper ice]

apart from arty trucks because fuck mortar vehicles

[arctic grove]

Yeah I’d agree about BF1s infantry to vehicle balancing

[fervent rose]

bf3 is easily peak vehicle vs infantry

but even then jets were op

[copper ice]

scorch for warcrimes baby

napalm on a nice fresh tank

[spiral folio]

Panzer4 75mm high velocity anti armor cannon is already bigger than a titan carries

[arctic grove]

The high velocity rockets required you to prone which was pretty vulnerable. Otherwise it was time to chuck out anti tank grenades

Notice how the only ranged AT option had you in one spot while in use…..

[copper ice]

you even get to reuse it after you scoop the insides out

[spiral folio]

Set up 5 panzer4s at the edge of town over an open field 1 mile wide

[hybrid totem]

Wasn't northstar basically the TOR with legs and a bigger scope?

[spiral folio]

Titan has no cover and a 40mm at largest

[copper ice]

northstar was how to do the tor but not badly

because there were no fuckin flying titans

railgun tank is never going to work in a game with aircraft

unless it's got a tight restriction on looking up

and that makes it feel like shit to use on slopes

[hybrid totem]

you mean aircraft is never going to work in a game with the TOR?

[copper ice]

which just leads to more camping

[spiral folio]

Well not in a game where aircraft arent stealth and cant engage from 500m out

[copper ice]

a battlefield game i should specify

[fervent rose]

the aircraft v tor interactions in this game are comical

[copper ice]

a game where aircraft actually engage at aircraft ranges and not 10m off the ground is a little different

[solid imp]

ah yes.. this guy

my favorite of all time

[fervent rose]

i saw a clip of him

speedhacking asshat

[copper ice]

seems like the average tor player to me

1 assist

how do accounts like that not get banned immediately

[dapper river]

wow! he must be a 20+ year battlefield vet!!

[fervent rose]

idk if cheaters actually get banned in 2042

[solid imp]

oh nice lol and he's chatting to global 😄 😄

[copper ice]

the next 3 highest players having 10 kills between them because everything is a fucking assist since he's eating the entire enemy team

[spiral folio]

Bf1 sometime has the invisible cheaters. I got one killed repeatedly by following him around using him for cover

[copper ice]

the old games are all full of fuckign cheaters

[fervent rose]

we had a lucky time where so few cheaters were aware that 2042 had a playerbase, but its coming back

[copper ice]

they normally do slightly better at vetting their active game

i played bfv on console so i dodged all of that, but i remember people knowing the top bfv cheaters by heart back then

[fervent rose]

and theres at least 1 guy whos been cheating the entire time ive played. ran into him a few times

[limpid pond]

What's worse is there multiple accounts with that or ililililililililililililililili as the username that all cheat

[copper ice]

shit like this man

[solid imp]

lol

[copper ice]

just shouldn't happen

[solid imp]

it takes a special kind of basement dweller

[limpid pond]

Damn well at least all chat is confirmed

[arctic grove]

Just looks horrible with how the font formats 1’s lololol

[hybrid totem]

Totall asshat, but it is funny that he found a way to allchat

[solid imp]

it's one's, el's, and pipe's

[arctic grove]

Oh wait nvm, Is and l’s…. Why did he add 1s?

[hybrid totem]

Do you think that means it already exists and he enabled it for himself, or did he hack into the game and... I don't even know?

[solid imp]

nah he was doing that ages ago, but then again maybe all chat was there in the background ages ago 🙂

[copper ice]

wait

you mean literally all chat

LMAO

[solid imp]

lol yea

[hybrid totem]

yeah see his name is red

[copper ice]

holy fuck

[fervent rose]

probably always been a thing, who knows though

[copper ice]

[solid imp]

Admins in portal can all chat so the structure had to be there

[copper ice]

structure is definitely there and he's just tapping into it

[solid imp]

from day 1 really

[hybrid totem]

It wouldn't surprise me if they disabled it by default before release

[copper ice]

which makes you wonder why it's taken them so long to add it back in since it's clearly functional

[acoustic seal]

cheaters have been able to type in any channel since at least bf1

[copper ice]

another thing to add to the list

[fervent rose]

its almost a guarantee they can just turn it on. but they have to slightly fix the cycling through chat channels

[hybrid totem]

Yeah the amount of... hacking... that would need to be done to enable allchat seems ludicrous to me

[fervent rose]

a tiny bit of work

[solid imp]

I'd be more curious if a hacker could always all-chat in an AOW mode

Portal has always had all-chat for admins

[fervent rose]

thats the first time ive seen the all chat hack

[solid imp]

and RushXL is portal

[fervent rose]

could be due to the new chat update

[copper ice]

that seems to be the sticking point for dice usually

[balmy basin]

They were afraid of toxicity

[hybrid totem]

in our cities?

[next onyx]

GOL kinda fun.

But the pain is almost over.

[limpid pond]

What's going on with the servers?

[fervent rose]

i think they were trying to make bf nice and sanitized. cant bother other people, like you cant join a specific persons squad either

but all chat is fun. and squad management is more useful than they realize

[limpid pond]

2042 won't let me log in?

[balmy basin]

I mean even the slurs and stuff is funny

For example a couple of weeks ago man a group of people were using in game voice chat in COD because we were all on different systems, as soon as the game ended some 15 year old edgelord machine gunned hard R from the moment cross team chat started till it ended and we just fucking laughed our asses off

That kind of stuff is hilarious

[fervent rose]

i can do without that, i just want general bullshitting and of course hackusations are always hilarious

[arctic grove]

No it’s not

[next onyx]

Swears are fine, Slurs are not.

[low timber]

Gol your current project?

[next onyx]

Yeah.

40 kills left.

[arctic grove]

Every time all chat is brought up notice how it’s inevitable someone mentions slurs in some capacity. It’s almost like DICE really did intend something useful with removing all chat

[fervent rose]

gol is just a simple good sniper

[low timber]

Need 61 MP28 and 25 MCS-880 kills to get them both to T2 myself

[fervent rose]

a portal weapon that works

[next onyx]

I haven't used it for a long time.

[dusk falcon]

wait what why is he red

is all chat in the game

[low timber]

And then all 2042 weapons are minimum T2

[fervent rose]

hackerman stuff

[dusk falcon]

how tho

[fervent rose]

idk im not a hackerman

[dusk falcon]

its this guys pov

either the hackerman messed with the files

or idk

[fervent rose]

the guy in red is a cheater

[dusk falcon]

expectable

look at the name

[charred hound]

Does anone know how to get the alternative look for the super hind?

[fervent rose]

sure but theres some normal people with those names

[dusk falcon]

is it a skin?

[charred hound]

doesnt seem so

atleast ists not lsited

[dusk falcon]

then you mean the fire swarm skin

it was in season 1

you cant get it now

sorry

[copper ice]

reward for playing the game when it sucked

[dusk falcon]

man i want that lis level 100 skin so bad

[charred hound]

sadge...

[dusk falcon]

i wouldve bought the battle pass just for that skin

literal muscle mommy

[next onyx]

Welp that

That's the GOL done.

[arctic grove]

I used to hate the pre season weekly skins being a specific skin for one vehicle/weapon

[hybrid totem]

40 kills in 7 minutes?

[dusk falcon]

how do yall even tier 1 weapons

[low timber]

You did 40 in 6 minutes?!

[dusk falcon]

i cant stand playing the same weapon again and again

[next onyx]

It's not hard.

[hybrid totem]

40 kills in 7 minutes apparently

[dusk falcon]

so boring

[low timber]

Oh yeah, OCE has low player count enough for bots

[dusk falcon]

whats oce

[arctic grove]

Well when the guns are absolute farming machines like the SFAR and RM68 you don’t mind using it till 1200 kills

I commend those with ghost maker or GVT tier 1 cause I’m never touching those shits

[dusk falcon]

only guy i tier 1'd was the rm68 cause its going to get nerfed into oblivion

better do it now than never

[next onyx]

I also needed 22.

Not 40.

I thought I needed more so.

[hybrid totem]

I t1'd the NTW when it was awesome

[low timber]

I have all 2042 weapons in T1 except MCS-880, MP28, PF51 and Super 500

[carmine rover]

ntw is still awesome

[dusk falcon]

ntw feels too slow for me honestly

[balmy basin]

They are 100% lol

[dusk falcon]

rahter use the sws

[next onyx]

I've got all the rifles done I just need the m44 done and that's all precision guns done.

[low timber]

And if those 4 two are already in T2 and two are close to T2

[carmine rover]

m44 was such a pain getting t1

[arctic grove]

I hated when the NTW was a semi viable anti armor option. Anything infantry can spawn in with that can damage vehicles should absolutely be limited unless it’s C5 and stuff like that

[carmine rover]

i got lucky and found a high damage tdm server in portal and just no lifed it for a day and got t1

[arctic grove]

You’re the only one with that bad take

[carmine rover]

every shot was an insta kill

[balmy basin]

The m44 is the revolver right?

[low timber]

Yes

[balmy basin]

No.

[low timber]

Somehow it was my first sidearm that I got to T1

[hybrid totem]

maybe the only one here, but the prevalence of this attitude is likely what got allchat banned in the first place

[arctic grove]

Well, besides you and the other insensitive “you wouldn’t last in a mw2 lobby” players

[carmine rover]

getting the m1911 t1 was so frustrating

[balmy basin]

I don't know if it still is but the m44 is scary in some cases

[low timber]

Ohk headshot up to 100m, so it is scary in the right hands

[carmine rover]

its scary if your on kbam

[arctic grove]

It was justified imo, these games aren’t moderated once DICE leaves and that just leads to people saying stupid shit just cause.

In any environment where there’s no real censorship for certain content, you’re bound to cultivate a community around it

[balmy basin]

Imagine caring what people say online lol, as much as I dislike the guy Tyler the creator had a fair point

[arctic grove]

It could fuck right off and stay gone imo. There’s better legacy features to add

[balmy basin]

Like entertainment value oh wait that comes from the players

[arctic grove]

Insinuating I do care and I’m not moreso concerned about people cultivating a community around insensitive and toxic ideologies

[balmy basin]

Who cares if its insensitive if it's funny

[hybrid totem]

...

[arctic grove]

Right, so again, you and the other “mw2 lobby” guys are the only ones with that take

[balmy basin]

Ohk?

[low timber]

One hit kill

[hybrid totem]

With everything you say, I become more glad that you are not involved in DICE's decisions

[balmy basin]

I remember one time I pulled a head shot on a guy on the zipline with that thing

[hybrid totem]

Besides returning allchat won't remove the censor

[tame cobalt]

Certain players really get off on being toxic for some reason

[balmy basin]

Yeah i know, wont make the guessing game not fun though

[hybrid totem]

Don't have much else going on in their lives (or heads)

[balmy basin]

Nah some people just know how to not take things seriously

[fervent rose]

the guns with ap ubgl are honestly better, except at really long range

[arctic grove]

You sure it’s that? Kek

[hybrid totem]

Life must be very simple for you, I'm jealous

[balmy basin]

But yeah anyway the m44 is super effective if you know when and how to use it

[tame cobalt]

I do enjoy the occasional teabag tho all in good fun tho

[balmy basin]

Yee

[arctic grove]

I love those little ubgl AP grenades

[fervent rose]

if everyone used ap ubgl guns ground vehicles could never move, those things are very strong

[tame cobalt]

Well there's a difference between taking a teabag seriously and taking a slur seriously

[balmy basin]

It is, i dont have to worry about what i say most of the time because it doesnt matter till a thin skin gets involved

[hybrid totem]

I'm only jealous until you get to the "find out" portion tho

[balmy basin]

Not really, its essentially the same thing in the online space

[tame cobalt]

lol

[arctic grove]

People only justify saying slurs and shit “cause MW2 lobby”, mind you a game that came out during a time where shock/stereotypical “humor” was still an actual thing lmao, doesn’t make it right or everyone else wrong

[fervent rose]

it isnt and you should do some self reflection on why

but you wont

[balmy basin]

There never is a find out for me

[hybrid totem]

Continue on your merry way then

And I'll be sure to leave your squad when you start screaming expletive slurs into the mic

[next onyx]

Would rather not be abused by people online I haven't done anything to.

[balmy basin]

Nah I never do it into the Mic (on purpose anyway) because I know how many thin skins are online nowadays

[hybrid totem]

...so you do have to worry about what you say most of the time after all

[balmy basin]

No most of the time I'm quiet or ive muted myself anyway so

[hybrid totem]

...so you're advocating for others to use slurs when you won't?

[balmy basin]

I never said I won't

I just don't typically have my mic on

[hybrid totem]

would you like a silver shovel, or is bronze working for you?

[balmy basin]

What?

[hybrid totem]

for that hole you're digging yourself

[balmy basin]

I'm not digging a hole though

[snow estuary]

Is it just me or is that god damn RM68 broken as hell

[balmy basin]

I'm simply just stating fact

[fervent rose]

every season has a broken gun @snow estuary

[hybrid totem]

I see bronze is working just fine then

[acoustic seal]

hackusations were funnier when people could call me slurs at the same time

[fervent rose]

bsvm, avancys, rorsch, now rm68

[balmy basin]

It's perfectly fin

[balmy basin]

Ahhh a friend

[snow estuary]

Idk about that one

I stg that gun is bs even when shooting first

Too early in the BP to even try it myself and give an opinion

[arctic grove]

Less recoil but the same damage drop off and stuff as the SFAR I believe

[balmy basin]

Nah the gun is perfectly balanced

[fervent rose]

faster ttk, no recoil

[acoustic seal]

it's a scar that shoots faster, gets short barrel, and has less spread

[fervent rose]

rm68 is so overtuned

[snow estuary]

Is there a gun ttk chart out there?

[acoustic seal]

along with whatever mess that integrated suppressor is

[arctic grove]

……

yeah about that

[snow estuary]

Enlighten me

[copper ice]

[arctic grove]

Those USED to be in the game menus themselves, believe it or not

[snow estuary]

LMAO

[acoustic seal]

the only real stats resource out there was symthic and they stopped updating it in season 2

[balmy basin]

The RM68 is perfectly balanced and in need of no changes

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-the-last-airbender-war-basingse-hypnotized-brainwashing-gif-17917884

[hybrid totem]

there's this one but it stopped at season 2
https://sym.gg/index.html?game=bf2042&page=charts

[snow estuary]

i hate the ingame stats, they are awful

[copper ice]

the sym discord has a Google docs pinned

[acoustic seal]

the ingame stats are completely fake made up numbers

[copper ice]

with more up to date stats

[snow estuary]

Also no way anyone uses the barrels that slow down your fire rate, RIGHT?

[balmy basin]

The gun kill ones seem to seem to not track properly

[acoustic seal]

you would be shocked

[snow estuary]

I am

I slapped the one on the uhhh ar15 looking azz gun and my rof is almost 900 😂

[dusk falcon]

you mean the long barrel

i use it on snipers to hit shots better

anywhere else useless

[arctic grove]

Long barrel is good for really long range stuff although you don’t really need it since ARs can reach out to 100 meters

[snow estuary]

But

800+ rpm

[dusk falcon]

ARs are busted at medium to long range

zero spread whatsover

[snow estuary]

I just unlocked the scar

I wish i could get rid of the ugly ass launcher tho

[dusk falcon]

ù2nd best weapon in the game rin fan

[snow estuary]

I can tell lmfao

0 spread

Unironically

[fossil flax]

Rin is hot

[dusk falcon]

the scar is just as explosive as rin herself buddy

[fossil flax]

Best thighs in anime

[dusk falcon]

the underbarrel launcher goes crazy

[hybrid totem]

I want the grenade launcher on my NTW damnit

[acoustic seal]

there was a bug where the launcher wouldn't equip for a while and it looks sexy underneath there

[carmine rover]

i want no bipod on my ntw

[fossil flax]

Bipod on tactical knife

[arctic grove]

I think I’ve got an old clip of exactly that happening to me

[dusk falcon]

i still dont get why theres no attachments on the scar

[carmine rover]

it blocks half of my screen when im running

[snow estuary]

Idk i dont think the game is bad anymore but its just missing so much imo

[acoustic seal]

i guess they wanted to make it a dedicated GL platform before the plus system put GLs on everything?

[arctic grove]

For the most part it works. But it has persistent issues, core design flaws and missing features/mechanics

[snow estuary]

My biggest issue is just everything feels FLOATY

and the gunplay feels easier than ever

[dusk falcon]

just like how rin misses her chances by being a massive tsundere, but just like her, this game has its strong points still

[compact zealot]

Any downside to playing using older era battlefield weapons and stuff

[acoustic seal]

yeaaaaah that's all the same, it's just that people lowered their standards enough to accept it

[snow estuary]

Lack of attachments

[compact zealot]

Is it just older weapons in the game or is there other older stuff too

[copper ice]

yes, most of them actually have recoil and spread

[dusk falcon]

theyre made by ripple effect

thats it

[arctic grove]

Vault weapons get less attachments, and the ones they do get are mid, plus a totally different recoil model that’s so different from the AOW weapon recoil model you might as well stick to normal AOW guns themselves

[snow estuary]

I wanna use the acr but ita awful

[compact zealot]

So when it comes to older era stuff in bf2042 is it just weapons that are available

[dusk falcon]

yeah theyre just

there

[copper ice]

there's a couple of gadgets

[compact zealot]

Ok so if I am new to franchise, probably best to stick to the 2042 stuff

[copper ice]

eod bot is buggy as fuck

[dusk falcon]

but very fun to use

[arctic grove]

Yes. But the M16 is a good vault weapon

[dusk falcon]

especially on rush

[dusk falcon]

oh yeah the range on that thing is crazy

but the m5a3 is better imo

[arctic grove]

Yea, it’s one of the vault weapons I’d actually suggest players go for. The rest are eh

XM8 LMG is cursed

[compact zealot]

Also just watched video from level ap gaming and he mentioned something I ran into last night…

[dusk falcon]

the new aek doesnt even come close to its bf4 predecessor

[copper ice]

there's a couple of good portal weapons but they are the exception

[eager spire]

that's because BF4 doesn't have visual recoil while the 2042 AEK does.

[dusk falcon]

the GOL is just a sws with less attachments, id still get it cause its the GOL

[compact zealot]

Do I have to learn Vehicles to be successful at the game? I feel like I would need a controller right next to me just in case I jumped in a vehicle

But there was a tan and a helicopter that were very devastating to fight against

[robust vapor]

the SFAR is great

you got a vehicle coming your way? EMP it

and AP nade it

[snow estuary]

Fighting vehicles just requires coordination

But imo

[dusk falcon]

Most vehicles are easy to use in this game on a controller, practice in ai lobbies or portal servers

[arctic grove]

You don’t have to, I’d suggest learning the anti vehicle tools first

[compact zealot]

And he said even with rockets, they don’t go down immediately

[arctic grove]

But practice vehicles in solo co-op

[snow estuary]

No one in this game works as a team lmfao

I find myself the only one shooting vehicles

[dusk falcon]

the transport heli? tell me about it that thing is a flying fortress

[robust vapor]

that's funny dude

[compact zealot]

So when in vehicle, can I shoot and move like in a helicopter

[robust vapor]

when i'm in the vehicle

the enemy team works together

[dusk falcon]

theyre reworking it though

[snow estuary]

RIGHT LMAO

[robust vapor]

mine on the other hand are teletubbies

[compact zealot]

Or do I need to have another person

[pliant nexus]

I do enjoy this game, but something feels missing. I prefer the modern setting over ww1 & 2, yet bf1 felt a lot more hectic

Atmosphere was better

[snow estuary]

Something something thats just how it is sometimes quote

[arctic grove]

Graphics, voice acting, map design, etc. it’s not just you

[dusk falcon]

yes you can shoot and move, some helis also have passengers seats with weapons of their own that when paired in coordinations can be devastating.

[compact zealot]

I don’t know if it’s me, but breakthrough seems to be more chaotic than conquest

[dusk falcon]

try rush xl then

[robust vapor]

you will like rush xl

[copper ice]

vehicles are hell to kill in this game with anything apart from c5

[robust vapor]

cause it's the true chaos out there

[compact zealot]

Well this YouTuber was saying if you have someone who can heal vehicles as a passenger it’s almost unstoppable

[snow estuary]

My pc cant handle rush xl

[compact zealot]

You can repair vehicles while your in them?

[snow estuary]

Barely hovers at 70 fps

[wide shore]

Least it’s easier to kill tanks than BFV

[compact zealot]

Is that different than someone who repairs one by walking up to it

[copper ice]

Depends on the vehicle, some yes some no

[compact zealot]

In general…how many tanks are in this game?

[dusk falcon]

yeah its true, DICE said theyre reowrking the transport heli so hopefully this cant happen anymore

[copper ice]

i half agree with this and half vehemently disagree

[robust vapor]

not much tank variety

[copper ice]

Bfv had anti tank cannons

[compact zealot]

So 1 tank?

[copper ice]

Stationary weapons

[robust vapor]

I'd say 2 tanks

1 for common

[compact zealot]

Any major difference between them

[robust vapor]

which is the TOR

[spiral folio]

I liked towing the cannons to neat locations in bf5

[dusk falcon]

not really

[robust vapor]

the other is M1A5

and T28

[copper ice]

If you hit a tank you could fuck its systems and it would need to repair or be gimped

[robust vapor]

both functions the same

except TOR, that one is for both teams

[compact zealot]

Both look the same

[copper ice]

Hitting a tank in 2042 means nothing if it doesn't die

[compact zealot]

Basically

[wide shore]

They also took a million rockets though.

[compact zealot]

Like any regular tank??

[copper ice]

So do 2042

[robust vapor]

TOR is a railgun tank

[wide shore]

It takes like 4

[robust vapor]

the M1A5 and T28 are the same

just difference in faction

[compact zealot]

What’s railgun? Like machine gun on top?

With a launcher

[wide shore]

Only 2 Javelins if it’s slightly damaged first

[copper ice]

Piat was actually good for casual combat unlike the m5 in 2042, and since you were assault you had good weapons etc

[robust vapor]

holy fucking shit i'll have a hard time explaining

[spiral folio]

I had some locations i could tow the AT guns to that could really hold up an assault on that winter map

[copper ice]

Playing engie in 2042 is ass

[robust vapor]

let me find it for you

[compact zealot]

It’s cool you don’t have too

The video did show a tank with a machine gun type gun shooting

And a launcher

Like any other tank has

[copper ice]

javs have to lock on and get denied by both smoke and the repair button AND aps

[compact zealot]

Cannon

[robust vapor]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjC0JhJRS6Y
@compact zealot

[wide shore]

The AT guns on Narvik were fucked

[robust vapor]

try solo co-op conquest

play with the tanks

[copper ice]

jav having higher damage than m5 means nothing when smoke counters jav and not m5

[robust vapor]

you'll find them functioning differently

[compact zealot]

So did that tank have lock on

Looked like it didn’t

[robust vapor]

no that tank does't have a lock on

it's manual

it

[compact zealot]

Appreciate the help

[robust vapor]

the projectile has almost a hitscan velocity at certain range

[compact zealot]

Yea right when he shot it

[robust vapor]

so you don't have to account for shell drop that much

[compact zealot]

The choppa exploded

[robust vapor]

it's a precision weapon so if you got 200% accuracy even infantries will get it

[compact zealot]

So with helicopters…same thing,

All have guns and missiles on them

[spiral folio]

Almost hitscan = 2000m/s apparently

Wait til you find out 2000 isnt that fast

[compact zealot]

Appreciate the help

[hybrid totem]

I've done headshots on infantry with the TOR. Gotta do something in between vehicle respawns lol

[spiral folio]

Not actually sure how fast the tanks projectile is

Probably not very

[compact zealot]

Right now I am running as support and basically just healing…had a match where I healed 2800 health

[copper ice]

2000m/s is pretty damn fast for the damage it has

[robust vapor]

yeah say it when you can snipe a nightbird 2.5 kilometres away from you in like 1 second after the projectile flew right out of the barrel

[compact zealot]

Any other suggestions for specialists I should try

[next onyx]

Zain.

[robust vapor]

that projectile is fast

[compact zealot]

Prefer to have passive or simple abilities so I can focus on shooting and aim and movement

[copper ice]

zain, mackay, falck, camilla

Irish too

[compact zealot]

Out of those, which have more simpler gadgets (class and specialist)

Prefer ones with gadget that are not too in depth if that makes sense

[next onyx]

Zain can heal off kills.

[compact zealot]

So I can focus on movement….aim…gameplay

[next onyx]

He's great at survival.

[spiral folio]

Well consider the abrams fires 1750m/s

Estimated

[compact zealot]

Right now using AR for support

Thinking about trying Marksman

Sniper is too lonely

[robust vapor]

in a direct 1v1 uninterrupted confrontation between the M1A5/T28 and the TOR in a face off challenge

[compact zealot]

Sub machine too much recoil

[robust vapor]

even in Siege mode the TOR will lose

[compact zealot]

Any suggestions?

Don’t know if I should go marksman or battle rifles??

[hybrid totem]

first one, then the other

[compact zealot]

Can’t remember if it was this game or COD that had Battle Rifles

[copper ice]

zain gets airburst as gadget (very strong) and heals on kill for his passive
mackay gets grappling hook as gadget and increased movement speed when ADS for his passive
falck gets a healing pistol for her gadget that can heal herself and others and fast revives for her passive
camilla gets a jammer beacon for her gadget and is immune to motion based technology as her passive
Irish gets a placeable barricade and trophy system as his gadget and gives gadget ammo when reviving as passive

[robust vapor]

BFV has battle rifles

[next onyx]

Fuck it all I'm done for the night. My hand hurts.

[compact zealot]

I am using falck right now

[compact zealot]

I actually have been healing on all my matches

[next onyx]

Hip hip, Hooray.

[compact zealot]

And leveling up quick

[arctic grove]

[copper ice]

the svk and the bsv are incredibly strong guns in 2042 and are both marksmen

[next onyx]

You know I should use the m44 and mp412 badges.

VCAR is one of the best guns as well.

[edgy oriole]

[next onyx]

Ruins people up close.

[compact zealot]

So what does zains gadget do? The one he shoots

I don’t understand what it’s doing when I am trying to sim it

[arctic grove]

[compact zealot]

Aim*

Am I trying to tag vehicles?

[gilded wind]

It's a 4-shot kill up close with higher recoil, semi-only and way lower ROF than any of the 4-shot ARs, vcar is ass

[robust vapor]

that thing works on infantries only when they're hiding behind cover

[copper ice]

It's an airburst grenade launcher

[compact zealot]

So what does it actually do?

[robust vapor]

think of it as a grenade

[compact zealot]

Oh ok

[copper ice]

You press V to tag a distance, and the grenade will go slightly further than that difference and explode in midair

[compact zealot]

What’s the distance thing on it

[robust vapor]

that deals damage to weak covers

[next onyx]

VCAR is a 3HK within 30 metres with close combat.

Combine it with a short barrel and well.

Lots of death.

[remote kiln]

up to 100m

[compact zealot]

So press V on a barricade

And it blows up behind that distance

[robust vapor]

that said person must be hiding behind the barricade

[copper ice]

If someone is hiding behind cover and you tag the cover and shoot above it, the grenade will damage/kill them

[compact zealot]

Is it more launcher type ? Like mortar shot type at angle

Or just a straight shot

[copper ice]

Nah just flies in a straight line

[remote kiln]

it's straight

[copper ice]

It takes a little using to get used to it but it's very strong and useful

[fervent rose]

it shoots straight at the reticle, to whatever distance you set +1-2 meters

[gilded wind]

Had to double check but yeah you're right, my b. Maybe I'll give it another go. I wrote that one off early as doo doo

[compact zealot]

Well if I don’t know rhe game we’ll, the numbers are not gonna mean much though right

[dusk falcon]

you dont sound that happy, whats next?

[next onyx]

M44.

[compact zealot]

Just aim at structure with infantry behind?

[next onyx]

I don't like precision weapons.

I can make them work but they are not for me.

[fervent rose]

set the distance on the piece of cover and then aim above or beside it

[copper ice]

The numbers arent too relevant for actually using it; all you really need to remember is its max range is 100m

Anything under 100m, tag with V, shoot above and bobs your uncle

[next onyx]

Xm370 in a nutshell.

When you get into the habit of using it it's a great offensive gadget.

[fervent rose]

ugh

[compact zealot]

Can’t exactly remember, but when aiming with the reticle, it will tell me the distance of structure I am aiming at?

[fervent rose]

old exposure layout would be zain ruined

[copper ice]

The biggest issue with vcar is clicking at 600rpm all the time rather than it's actual performance

Hand hurt

[compact zealot]

Appreciate the help. Sorry don’t have game open right now. Gonna jump on in a little bit

[copper ice]

Yeah!

[next onyx]

If you look at my clip you can see that I manually aim at the piece of cover I want to blow around.

[copper ice]

If you fiddle around with it a bit it starts to make sense

[next onyx]

But yeah you can also re lock it.

[low timber]

Use a shotgun then

[next onyx]

Which helps if someone fucks up your aim.

[fervent rose]

yea it auto targets where you ADS

nifty

[next onyx]

AHHHH I FORGOT THAT THE 880 EXISTS.

Welp that's one more to do after the m44.

I can make it work. Probably.

And then never touch it again.

I got a 400 M headshot by the way Marse, With the GOL.

On Al Alamein.

[low timber]

I’m currently using the 880 so you got time for a wishful buff

[compact zealot]

Thanks

[low timber]

But I do recommend using the MP28 with it

[next onyx]

I've also got the MG's to do.

Which shouldn't be awful.

[compact zealot]

So you were just manually aiming at structure around the enemies

[next onyx]

Yeah.

[low timber]

And I’ve pretty much ran the MP28 as a primary and MCS-880 as the sidearm

[fervent rose]

whatever you initially ads at will set the distance

[next onyx]

You see enemy, they run behind wall, You aim at the piece of cover they are hiding behind and you shoot around it.

[balmy basin]

The revolver shotgun?

[low timber]

Also the spreadsheet I linked to you just added the shotguns there, thanks to me

[next onyx]

@low timber Did you see this?

[compact zealot]

So it’s kinda like a smart grenade in a way

But you have to aim accordingly

[next onyx]

Guess so.

[acoustic seal]

when the GLCK exists?

[balmy basin]

Revolver lever action shot gun

[low timber]

Yes

[compact zealot]

When I think traditional grenade, I think BOOM…

[next onyx]

I lost my phone because I passed out with a belly full of steak and booze.

Goddammit.

[balmy basin]

Lucky bastard

[fervent rose]

its just a very easy big aoe pew pew gun

[low timber]

MP28 can two shot headshots up to 75m even with the suppressor attached

[arctic grove]

wtf

[ebon pilot]

HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[low timber]

People are too fixated on the G57 to see how good the MP28 and P125 really are

[compact zealot]

Thanks for the help. Gonna jump in and play breakthrough. Really enjoy the game especially after keybinds became more comfortable. Seems like that makes any game more enjoyable

[fervent rose]

mp28 is good. glock is nuts

[compact zealot]

Thanks for the help.

[arctic grove]

100% the first thing people should do is always go into settings and do some testing. Will be way better for ya

[fervent rose]

dont zain too hard on the poor playerbase

[next onyx]

I will Zain all over them.

[arctic grove]

Zain should get a special restriction for SPH now that I think about it

[next onyx]

That sounds really fucking bad out of context.

[compact zealot]

Gonna switch back and forth from Falck and Zain maybe try Camilla

[next onyx]

SPH shouldn't be the way it is.

No need for it to be haha kill gadget we already ahve enough of those.