battlefield-2042

[kindred flint]

i cant view the missions or anything..wtf happened to my game

[next onyx]

It's pretty good for the most part. Except for the TR heli spam.

[thick shadow]

What audio preset you guys going with?

[next onyx]

Stereo I think.

[arctic grove]

There’s the objective pathing which isn’t horrible, then there’s ALL of the vegetation which conceals the campers and flankers in between, so you just get shot and half of the time don’t see who did it

Or in my case, you just get frustrated with the games crap console aim assist

I probably just have to break it in though, I’ve never really played the bc2 maps if I wasn’t deliberately playing portal

[thick shadow]

Wait I think I'm not asking it correctly

I meant audio mix

[next onyx]

I'll screenshot my audio settings.

[thick shadow]

Like I'm playing 2042 but It doesn't feel like I'm getting the most out of it

[next onyx]

Ah I'm using 3d headphones.

[arctic grove]

do not tell me I was about to load into a match and got a black screen

(AGAIN)

[karmic egret]

ive been playing since 4

[thick shadow]

Why and what would you recommend 3d headphone for

[karmic egret]

well i only played the campaign cuz my parents were part of that video games cause violence bullshit

[spiral rose]

Irony is me getting the attachment glitch on the only attachment I actually want

[kindred flint]

lmao wtf i restart the game and the BP shit is back ... what kind of bugs are in this game

[arctic grove]

I don’t know but 4.1 has quite a lot of them

I honestly thought I’d be getting a lot of matches with low wait times playing conquest 64, but okay I guess

[karmic egret]

yes all of them

[next onyx]

I use it because of my frustration towards me not hearing footsteps earlier on the game's lifecycle.

[thick shadow]

I see

I really miss the war tapes chaos like we had in bfbc2 and bf4

Is the rpt 31 any good?

[abstract otter]

Best lmg

Its big and nice

[thick shadow]

Can I make pancakes with it

[drowsy shuttle]

Avancys entered the chat

[arctic grove]

the ak 24 looks kinda like the ak 12

[abstract otter]

Idk it aint busted like before

Never used it much tho

But the rpt is a laser beam it’s a nice heavy hitter

[ruby saffron]

I been thinking

2042 reminds me of a really old game

Tom clancys endwar. Good rts similar setting

[thick shadow]

I just had this Uber in 2042

Spawned on his heli but we all got deleted

[jolly gust]

been playing since hardline!

[grand gulch]

I think the avancys and lcmg are better than the rpt 31 and people claiming it had good recoil are missing that it just shoots slower

It’s like w/e

[jolly gust]

2042 was bad when it first came out but know its fixed so.....

[thick shadow]

Bro either the rpt 31 has literally no recoil or I can maintain recoil control

[arctic grove]

RPT 31 is pretty friendly with recoil even with its HP rounds

It’s just awful to play cause the sprint to fire and general movement debuffs

And 2042 is too fast placed to lay down with them so they’re like the meh weapons category in this game for me

[abstract otter]

I still win playing it explain that

[arctic grove]

Playing the RPT?

[grand gulch]

You can still do that

[arctic grove]

I just don’t prefer it for these two reasons is all, but that’s fine

[grand gulch]

It’s not dogshit just lcmg is still more damage and fire rate with cc rounds and short barrel

[abstract otter]

Yessir

[arctic grove]

I think it’s also the fact that I lowkey noticed the recoil bug the most with LMGs for some reason

Like I didn’t know for a fact it was the recoil bug cause it wasn’t known about but they just felt awful to shoot with over other weapon types

you guys like the 12m auto?

[abstract otter]

Busted gun

[arctic grove]

12m was funny to abuse

is it like good for defending objectives?

[abstract otter]

Still busted

[arctic grove]

Yes

[abstract otter]

Just be extremely aggressive

[arctic grove]

what about the bsv?

I assume it’s hard to balance semi auto shotguns tbh, unless you really really screw their range up and make them useless

[abstract otter]

Mid

[arctic grove]

and the ak 24?

[abstract otter]

Run outta bullets in 1 minute

[abstract otter]

I like

Its a good beefy all rounder

[arctic grove]

I never cared for the BSV tbh, I didn’t care to be tortured just to level it up to it’s broken attachments so I missed out on it

[abstract otter]

Its still ok

[arctic grove]

Do you even have to aim with the 12mm?

12m*

[thick shadow]

I think the weapons itself don't really feel off at dmg and handling, it's just the clunky animations that make it feel off lmao

[arctic grove]

Probably now since I think they changed the shotgun crosshairs

tbh i wont lie

Why wont they just name it the saiga 12

cause thats exactly what it is

[abstract otter]

Dola bills

Need to license it

[arctic grove]

Also

is it just me or does the ak 24 look similar to the ak 12

Licensing ye

[abstract otter]

It’s essentially the same gun

[arctic grove]

So they just can t call it ak 12?

[abstract otter]

I think in every bf I’ve played people really dont hipfire enough

[abstract otter]

They’d have to pay

[arctic grove]

MW19/MW2 has the best replicas to real life counterparts but even those have to get small details and their names changed, just how these contractors and companies do. Bell got DICE back in 2013 for the same thing but with vehicle models

You know

I really wish theyd buff the vault weapons

Give us more attatchment choices

[abstract otter]

Yeah acwr is underpowered

M39 is a worse svk

M16 m416 p90 and mtar tho those are quite good

Again hipfiring the p90 in close combat will net you hella kills

Especially on those tight cqc breakthrough objectives

What attachements do you guys use?

Generally

[next onyx]

Oh yeah in the beta client you can give the Osprey back its propellers.

[arctic grove]

I personally don’t like using any of the vault weapons even despite their stats, simply cause they use a completely separate recoil system for no actual reason, which is bound to happen when they were stitched into AOW

Imagine if they added self propelled artillery tanks to BF

[next onyx]

I'm gonna assume there was legal trouble in that because they had to change the main mode of propulsion to jet engines.

[abstract otter]

Huh

The more you know

[abstract otter]

They had them in bf4 and they were bs

Like mortar in old games

Or the ucav

[arctic grove]

Really?

I think theyd be fun

just harass a point

For no particular reason I want that lol

[abstract otter]

Yeah when youre using them

[arctic grove]

Just seems more familiar although the condor is a cool looking vehicle itself

[abstract otter]

When you’re on the receiving end its less funny

[arctic grove]

When I see the condor

I legit think of the first terminator film

and i think of the terminator theme

[copper ice]

the bsv isn't mid it's stupid good

[thick shadow]

It's not 2042 without seeing people getting launched into the sky when killed

[abstract otter]

I mixed it up with the nvk shotgun

[copper ice]

That thing is mid ill agree LOL

[thick shadow]

Imagine a meme mode playlist where every sound is replaced with memes lmao

[arctic grove]

The other thing too is that EA doesnt want Battlefield to be like a mil sim. Battle field is very far from a mil sim. If it were a mil sim the first thing that would happen is if a tank got hit by a javelin itd be near over for them. Just look at whats happening to the tanks in ukraine right now

[next onyx]

Have a gun that screams out angel when you fire it.

[thick shadow]

ANGEL

[abstract otter]

Yeah but that would not be fun

[timid mauve]

How can we morally judge anyone for any action they do if, according to physics, all things can be predetermined/calculated, or if you consider quantum mechanics as a true randomness factor, how can we morally judge anyone for arbitrary action ultimately determined by a superposition collapsing?

[abstract otter]

Bf is far from being a milsim

Its like a war hero movie

[copper ice]

if your actions are predetermined then so is your judging

[thick shadow]

Dawg what

[copper ice]

if they're functioning on the same level then it works

[next onyx]

Battlefield takes real life toys into video game form.

For the most part.

[arctic grove]

its a FPS game

[abstract otter]

Conciseness might be explained by quantum physics as we have yet to pierce that mystery

[arctic grove]

not a mil sim

Squads a milsim

Squads very unforgiving

[thick shadow]

I've always wondered what would happen if everyone in a 128 server detonated their c5 all at once

[copper ice]

boom

[thick shadow]

Like all the aircrafts and vehicles put together

[abstract otter]

Ever play hell let loose

[next onyx]

Basically. I meant to expand on that.

[thick shadow]

C5 explosion would be so big that the impact pushes the game back to beta version

[timid mauve]

typical npc response

even ur pathing appears to be coded

[thick shadow]

What npc says dawg

Tell me

[abstract otter]

Get outta here

[timid mauve]

GOTEEM

[arctic grove]

No but some of those milsim games are so hard and you gotta be thinking super tactically or youre so dead

[abstract otter]

Pseudo intellectual bs

[thick shadow]

WHAT NPC SAYS DAWG

[abstract otter]

It’s cool if youre into that stuff

But it’s got a steep learning curve

[thick shadow]

My mind is fried man

I need angel to throw me a medpack

[arctic grove]

This is probably a very dangerous mindset I have relating to milsims but like, I’m sure I’d be fine if I just ADSd every corner

I mean theres also a lot of those things you wont learn about in video games example from what ive heard from former service members is that the scar is actually a hunk of crap

I’d really like to try something like Squad out. Gotta use your map and coordinate attacks, defend an area, organize an ambush, etc. shit seems really cool tbh

[thick shadow]

It is cool

[arctic grove]

Sniperoo sees you

but you cant see them

[thick shadow]

I'm more like a special forces type of guy when it comes to tactical games

Love to get ready or not once I have a pc

[abstract otter]

You’ll have a blast

[next onyx]

Most hardcore I played was battlebit and I just abused people with the SCAR there.

Realised those kinds of games are not my thing.

[thick shadow]

I don't doubt it one bit that I'll enj2it

[arctic grove]

I liked playing sapper on squad we'd lay land mines all over their supply routes and they were mad but IRL if you cut off peoples supplies its harder to fight

Oh man I love the videos I’ve seen of ready or not. That’s also one I wanna pick up

[next onyx]

But SCAR is appreciated nothingtheless.

Oh yeah isn't ready or not a spiritual remake of SWAT?

[abstract otter]

Essentially

[thick shadow]

I heard that ready or not is quite brutal that it's a perfect representation of what real life death situations are

[placid echo]

It needs some time in the oven regarding AI but it's still a good experience

[abstract otter]

Perfect might be stretching it a bit

[next onyx]

Fuuuuck I need to play original ghost recon again.

My mum loved that game to bits.

[thick shadow]

Mw2019 clean house mission got me into the special forces stuff since it felt so nervewrecking

[placid echo]

I am getting Ground Branch

[thick shadow]

It could be a bit stretching yeah but it's for sure a great representation of real life situations

[arctic grove]

You can t simulate IRL stuff. You get shot in the face with 7.62 IRL its more than over. I mean heck you get shot by 7.62 most places you aint moving

[copper ice]

you can simulate that by dying in one hit

[abstract otter]

Like the og future soldier?

[arctic grove]

Fair enough

[arctic grove]

Clean house on the first play is amazing

[thick shadow]

Yes you can simulate it, it's just that games tend to have this super soldier stuff where you can take more hits

If you'd die by one hit then you'll either have to be really patient or any sort like that

[abstract otter]

Didn’t expect that from a cod campaign for sure

[thick shadow]

Imagine dying by your own frag while trying to clear a room

Lol

[copper ice]

I've tried a couple of games like that and just got tired of dying instantly to a pixel in a bush 300m away

[abstract otter]

Yeah for real

[copper ice]

I am hella not patient enough

[abstract otter]

You need like 24hr just to understand the basics

[shell ermine]

I tried Hell Let Loose when it first came to PS5, didn't like it.

[thick shadow]

I think arcade game are just the sweets pot for most people

[abstract otter]

Didn’t know it was on console

[shell ermine]

Hell, even Red Orchestra 2 was too realistic for me

[abstract otter]

Dyou ever try war thunder?

[shell ermine]

The most "hardcore" shooter that I ever played and enjoyed was the SOCOM series

[copper ice]

I don't mind hyper realism if its pve but that isnt common

[next onyx]

No. The very first ghost recon.

[shell ermine]

Yes and fuck that, not supporting p2w f2p shit

[thick shadow]

Realism pve is like a fun thing

[abstract otter]

I played that game way too much but i had nothing to do during covid

[thick shadow]

Even if there are realistic pve shooters I wouldn't know the name

[shell ermine]

I enjoy playing Sniper Elite on realism, but that's it

[abstract otter]

Still think air realistic is good before you get to the jets

[abstract otter]

I did not like the new one

[thick shadow]

SE5?

[abstract otter]

Yeah

[placid echo]

Have you heard of Ground Branch?

[shell ermine]

Frankly since 3 it's just all been the same game, new levels

[next onyx]

No.

[abstract otter]

Yeah

[thick shadow]

What did you not like about it?

I was planning to pick it up soon

[shell ermine]

I'm fine with that

[thick shadow]

Repetitiveness?

[abstract otter]

SE5 feels extremely rehashed

[placid echo]

Aims to be like Ghost Recon, the original one.

On sale on Steam atm

[thick shadow]

In terms of level design and such?

[abstract otter]

Like i liked 3-4 but 5 really didn’t bring enough

[shell ermine]

Like I don't get the obsession with players wanting devs to reinvent the wheel with sequels. If I liked the previous games I just want more of the same

[abstract otter]

UI graphics etc

[abstract otter]

I get that stick to the core of what made the game good

But paying that much for essentially just new levels and a rpg like progression system idk

[thick shadow]

Yikes

[copper ice]

why not dlc instead of new game

[abstract otter]

They should have done like hitman honestly

[arctic grove]

Final thoughts is its probably a good thing BF aint like any of those games. Cause a lot of vehicle people would be pretty dang upset to find out what happens you drive a t-90 and a drone drops a grenade in your tank hatch or what happens when you get hit by a anti tank rocket

[abstract otter]

Yeah you def couldn’t use tanks like we do in bf

Without infantry support and such

[arctic grove]

Ive seen clips from whats goin on in certain parts in the world

and those t-90s are getting blown sky high

[shell ermine]

Battlefield is frankly the sweet spot for me for pvp fpses. Some years less so (like BF1 and 2042), but it's generally been consistent. COD runs in after the dog sometimes, but I've never been more than a 1.5kdr player and some years just feel awful to play if I'm not sweating every match

[abstract otter]

Well overall modern armies are ill equipped to face each other because there have been no major wars in between “tier 1 nation”.

[abstract otter]

Yeah sbmm absolutely ruined cod for me

Can’t just relax and chill with your lads

[arctic grove]

activisons gone to crap

and they dragged blizzard down with them

[ruby saffron]

I will say, id much rather play 2042 than mw2 these days

[abstract otter]

I’m not a ow guy but apparently its micro-transactions are horrendous

[abstract otter]

Yeah one of my best friends is big into cod and he ditched it for bf

[wide shore]

I miss forced voice chat modes.

[ruby saffron]

Its so baaaaaaad

The maps are the worst since like forever

[hasty hound]

This game has seen better

[wide shore]

You don’t even gotta be in voice chat for Search and Destroy anymore. That’s so awful.

[next onyx]

Black ops 2 SnD moments.

[wide shore]

Those 3 AM games of Black Ops 1 SnD were unmatched

[arctic grove]

a lots of kiddos wouldnt survive what people say back in the ay

day*

people are too soft

[abstract otter]

It kinda feels like gaming just got worst with all the super agressive micro transactions

[wide shore]

In an age where communication is so vast and varied. It feels like games are less social than ever.

[ruby saffron]

Mw2 og xbox live lobbies

[arctic grove]

Micro transactions are okay when it comes to skins although they’re a very big focus for live service games for obvious reasons

I think the problem is live service being abused to provide poor content

[next onyx]

The irony is that I am not a combative person yet I made someone scream at me for using the S12 in Free for all.

[abstract otter]

Yeah man you gotta pay 20$ for a armour in halo

[arctic grove]

it depends on the skin though

[ruby saffron]

Im surprised they havent just outright made 2042 f2p, i know its on some sups but still

[abstract otter]

That stuff used to be free

[abstract otter]

It’s making somewhat of a comeback

[arctic grove]

like in mw 2019 they had a skin that was so freaking hard to see if someone was using in warzone

or SnD

[abstract otter]

And they made it 15$ for a week

[ruby saffron]

I mean i remember when steam player count was around like 1000, its chillin around 10k during the day now days

[wide shore]

One thing that pisses me off about live service right now, is that you gotta pay for a battlepass in a full priced game. But you also have to pay the same price for a battlepass in a free game. Why do we gotta pay for a battlepass in a PAID game. It should just be free. It’s free in Fallout 76 for Christ sakes

[ruby saffron]

Not bad at all for a bf game

[arctic grove]

2042 will not be F2P, DICE will shut the servers down for it way before that

[copper ice]

all f2p is much harder for server strain and cheaters

[arctic grove]

Hardline isn’t free, 2042 most certainly won’t be

[abstract otter]

Think it’s nearly at 20k now

[arctic grove]

World of Warcraft is terrible its pay to win

[next onyx]

I don't mind live service but generally it's just used an excuse to bring out an unfinished game.

[abstract otter]

Yeah

[copper ice]

also reflects badly on the brand

[abstract otter]

Hazard zone should have been f2p tho

[wide shore]

It’s also an excuse to put out less post release content.

[ruby saffron]

Bf games have always had a smallish player base

[wide shore]

“Oh but it’s free” is the plague of gaming rn.

[arctic grove]

I tried out this xpac on my feral druid went to get my Best in slot legendary saw that they were selling it for 40k gold and I was like no thank you

[copper ice]

gotta pay for them to finish the other half of the game somehow

[abstract otter]

They’ve always had a dedicated player base

[wide shore]

Maybe they should sell cool skins more often then

[ruby saffron]

Bf hardline died the fastest of all of them sadly, i liked hardline

[wide shore]

Most of the store is dogshit

[shell ermine]

Not exactly an inspiring choice either way

[abstract otter]

Aint nothing free in this day and age

[wide shore]

And it’s 500 boins for a gun charm

Who decided that

[copper ice]

people who buy skins will buy it regardless of quality

[arctic grove]

Live service is basically just bloated with the fixes the game needed to launch with, + a tiny bit of content to keep things new. The thing about DLC is not only is there a higher profit to be earned (thus more care when making the DLC content), but you can’t exactly make people pay for and ship out fixes only when the DLCs drop

[copper ice]

stores are mainly funded by whales

its something like 20:80 in ratio

[ruby saffron]

I wonder what the next bf will be, hopefully not set in the past

[arctic grove]

I mean EA started it though

Not saying I think we should go back to DLC but just talking about how live service is treated with CoD and BF

with the money stuff

[wide shore]

Trust me I know. I’ve made content for the Minecraft store.

[next onyx]

Micro dlc yields even higher sales which is why they're keeping to it.

I just wish we got at least three maps per season.

[copper ice]

you got some big ass whales out there

[next onyx]

One map per month.

[abstract otter]

That’s funny

[ruby saffron]

Them bedrock players will buy anything

[next onyx]

That's all I want.

[hasty hound]

I’m glad some people make farming modes for this game

[shell ermine]

I've got 1300 hours in Fallout 76, more than the last 4 Battlefields combined. They are doing something right

[wide shore]

[abstract otter]

They for some reason refuse to reuse assets to make new maps

Like back in the day

[wide shore]

Free battlepass in a full priced game is one of ‘em.

[abstract otter]

3-4/theme

[ruby saffron]

Fo76 was a great comeback story

[wide shore]

I love 76. I have a few hundred hours on it myself. Their battlepass isn’t perfect by ANY means. It’s incredibly grindy. But it’s free

[hasty hound]

I don’t seem to like vehicles that require teammates to be used

[shell ermine]

Run West Tek 50 times

[wide shore]

Daily ops drove me to consider the bottle

[arctic grove]

look lets just all be happy this isnt current mw2 where they release 1 patch and nearly break the damn game. Activisons ran by the interns and bobby kotick staring at them laughing knowing how many dumb 12 year olds will spend money on 20 dollar skins

[ruby saffron]

2042 and fallout 76 were in a similar boat, horrendous launches, bugs out the ass, but got patched up into shape and is decent fun, wish that wasnt the norm for gaming these days tho

[abstract otter]

Vehicles are always better with your squad imo

[shell ermine]

I almost never do them anymore

[ruby saffron]

Hate waiting a year for a game to be finished

[hasty hound]

I’m talking about ones that don’t have a gun you can shoot on your own

[wide shore]

I haven’t done the last few passes at all. Even though I really liked the Nuka stuff last season. I tried to get some of it.

[copper ice]

the last update did break the game for a large amount of people

[shell ermine]

I actually skipped the entire Pitt season since I found it so boring

[wide shore]

The Pitt was so disappointing

[arctic grove]

The games always been broken

[shell ermine]

I've finished every other pass except the Pitt

[arctic grove]

they released the saiga 12 in that game

and they straight up destroyed their own game

[copper ice]

2042 is still missing shitloads of basic stuff; if it released in its current condition people would be mad

[wide shore]

I did like the first, 4 ish completely.

[ruby saffron]

Oh the one bug where you cant equip attachments?

[arctic grove]

I got dragons breath for that saiga 12 and just ran down hall ways mowing people down

[ruby saffron]

That ones funny

[abstract otter]

You couldn’t launch the game

[shell ermine]

I'm like at 85 on the current one

And it runs through May lmao

[copper ice]

The bug where you cant unlock anything and tons of people not being able to even open the game

[wide shore]

I haven’t even touched it

[ruby saffron]

Thats crazy

[wide shore]

Is there cool stuff? I know it’s cryptid related. Love the cryptids

[abstract otter]

I hope they learn form this game’s misgivings but they didn’t learn anything from bfv

[copper ice]

There was someone in here earlier who contacted ea support and they told him to just wait

[wide shore]

The learned that squad revive and throwing grenades back were cool

[ruby saffron]

Ive always suspected the reason 2042 is the way it is is because they recycled a half developed battle royale game and repurposed it into a bf game so its just total spaghetti code

[shell ermine]

Mutated public events come every other week which really gets servers lively and working together

[wide shore]

That like the mutated daily Ops?

[shell ermine]

Yeah

[copper ice]

I don't think they were trying BR again after bfv, looks more like that bootleg tarkov mode

[wide shore]

Interesting.

[abstract otter]

Yeah but squad points, crouch sprinting, the mouvement and the build mechanics were all abandoned

[copper ice]

Same shit really

[shell ermine]

You get really damn good rewards

[ruby saffron]

Gotta say tho, 2042 has some insane particle effects

[abstract otter]

Course it a dice game

[shell ermine]

It's an off week right now but next Tuesday starts another week of Mutated events

[ruby saffron]

Even compared to the usual

[next onyx]

Lack of a proper scoreboard and all that are evident this game was meant to be something else.

[ruby saffron]

Cant go 5 seconds without ten billion particles blasted into the players face

[copper ice]

None of those made money; specialists mean more cosmetics to sell and 128p means EVERYONE gets to see your cool cosmetic bro dont you want to look good buy our skins buy them now

[arctic grove]

These triple a studios don’t care about players anymore it’s an industry make top dollar. Halos a ruined series now because of that fact halo infinite was fun for an hour

[abstract otter]

They’re always pushing in game physics/graphics

[ruby saffron]

See the problem is 128 is a great idea and all but it was handled so badly

[next onyx]

Appeal to the stock holders not the players playing your game.

[shell ermine]

2042 was and still is the worst Battlefield game, and that's saying something after Battlefield 1.

But its still a Battlefield game (almost) so it's less frustrating to play than COD this year

[wide shore]

At least we don’t have SBMM

[abstract otter]

Look at battlefront 2015 that game is ridiculously beautiful for today’s standard

[next onyx]

No sbmm makes the game cruisy.

[ruby saffron]

Id say its better than bf5 at the moment, i hated bf5

[arctic grove]

I think they shed off the movement just for the pace of this game, although I saw no problem with BFVs skins so I really question why they didn’t just keep that, like fuck, it would’ve especially been perfect for 2042 with the nopat lore the way BFV did customization

[next onyx]

Provided you're in the right region.

[wide shore]

Yeah it’s not always like that in the states

[abstract otter]

Bf1 was a divisive game to be sure

[copper ice]

no scoreboard no server browser 128p

portal gets standard classes and server browser

looks to me that they were pretty clearly trying to shovel all the people willing to shell out fat bucks into the main game who dont care about quality and just like chaos wahoo with 128p for mindless fun and consuming and then shovel all the older vets of the series who give a toss about anything into portal and segregate the two for perfect moneymaking

[ruby saffron]

Bf1 at least tried something new ill give it that

[abstract otter]

But i gotta say it’s ambiance is still unmatched

[copper ice]

it obviously went horrendously poorly because they fucked it all up

[wide shore]

BF1 goated WITH the sauce.

[next onyx]

Bf1 was the start of when their games became more and more casualised.

[copper ice]

turns out basing a game around how much money you can squeeze out of people isn't conducive design for an enjoyable experience

who would have guessed

[ruby saffron]

I prefer 2042 to the historical bf games just because ww1 and ww2 dont interest me as game settings

[shell ermine]

I cut my multiplayer teeth on the 2005 Star Wars Battlefront II (on the PlayStation 2!).

So I compare everything after to it.

Great maps, class system, old school Conquest, server browser, server hosting and rentals...

[next onyx]

I don't mind casualisation to a degree but there's a point where you add so much cheese to your game is becomes unbearable.

[arctic grove]

BF1 is fine, it sets out to portray WW1 with its atmosphere while also having simplified movement and gunplay, not fun for seriously comp players but that reflects a small group of players anyways

Battlefield is an arcade shooter franchise but apparently that’s a problem when it comes to BF1

[wide shore]

BF1 is my favorite fps game and favorite battlefield game ever. And I really doubt that’s gonna change judging by current trends.

[abstract otter]

Ngl i prefer the historic games

[copper ice]

i was not fond of 70 mag smgs and mortars in bf1

[abstract otter]

They’ve always got the best atmosphere

[arctic grove]

god I hear bf1 and become a broken record but like

[ruby saffron]

Fair, i just like modern stuff

[arctic grove]

BF1 was a passion project and perfect opportunity at the same time

And dice delivered well

[wide shore]

Indubitably my friend

[copper ice]

i still think bf1 has the best atmosphere and visuals of any of the bf games which does do a lot for it

[wide shore]

They couldn’t have released it at a better time.

[shell ermine]

And yet Infinite Warfare still ate its cake

[next onyx]

Bf5 released at a good time for me and I loved it despite its flaws.

[abstract otter]

Apart from the 6 month content drought at launch

[next onyx]

But now I'm done with that game.

[arctic grove]

The SMG 08 right? Terrible recoil all around. Useless outside of almost point blank range anyways, mortars yeah those were broken haha

[next onyx]

And I don't really want to play it again.

[copper ice]

bfv exists in the horrible grafix zone with weird ass wonky gameplay but some genuine heart buried under there somewhere

[wide shore]

Pre buff SMG08 was better

Sleeper gun

[arctic grove]

CoD could release a literal piece of poo and that would still sell more, it’s not about gameplay quality because IW was hated

[shell ermine]

War in the Pacific is unmatched for me with atmosphere

[ruby saffron]

I could never get into it

[hard geyser]

Bfv was pretty great at the end. It was top notch. It sucked it dropped with eol

[wide shore]

Iwo Jima breakthrough was a hell of an experience

[next onyx]

Biggest issue with bf5 was its shit attrition and fighter balance round the end.

[abstract otter]

Iwo jima was everything i wanted it to be

[arctic grove]

I don’t always agree that sales don’t correlate to gameplay quality because I don’t think ‘bad’ games sell a lot, but IW outselling BF1 means genuinely nothing

[next onyx]

Fighters were stupidly powerful in the end.

[abstract otter]

Absolutely kick ass in breakthrough

[copper ice]

when im covered in 8 clouds of gas and there's 15 mortars landing on my head the last thing i want is watching someone mow down 10 guys in front of me with a bottomless smg while i have a dmr with literally 5 bullets

[arctic grove]

And I played both, BF1 has the better gameplay

[hard geyser]

Something about breakthrough on ww maps felt a lot better

[abstract otter]

This man don’t miss

[copper ice]

imo vehicle balance got even worse after pacific

[hard geyser]

Doesn't feel as good on 2042

[wide shore]

It fit those battles better

[shell ermine]

What's the old South Park gag? Giant douche and turd sandwich?

[hard geyser]

Def agree

[ruby saffron]

2042 is a lot more casual

[arctic grove]

IW was still in that period of time for CoD where you could pay to get broken ass weapon mods and guns so it’s kinda meh with multiplayer gameplay. One plus for IW is it definitely toned down what AW sought out to do with its movement

[wide shore]

Modern war is seldom a war of attrition and moving the line as WWI and WWII

WWI especially

[hard geyser]

Idk gunplay in 5 is better imo. I hated bf1 gunplay so much.

[copper ice]

2042 lacks atmosphere and also generally has poor map design, pair that with poorly balanced vehicles and breakthrough just doesn't feel nice in 2042 at all

[arctic grove]

IW campaign though >>>>

[wide shore]

Those fools sent 50 to the grave for an inch of land.

[shell ermine]

I'm a vehicle player so BFV >>>>>

[hard geyser]

Other then the maps on bf1 I wasn't really a fan tbh

[arctic grove]

Well, I mean, don’t play too close when using semi auto rifles…

[wide shore]

But the FT17 with the infantry fighter package.

[abstract otter]

It just doesn’t flow either a you steam roll or you get obliterated

[copper ice]

idk if its my lack of attachment to any war scenarios in general, but it didnt compare to bf1 at all for me

[shell ermine]

Also the M1 Garand is legitimately a fantastic gun and I can and do outshoot Assault rifle and SMG users regularly with it

[ruby saffron]

Which is why i love when modern bf games do breakthrough, in reality they would just dronestrike the sites to hell and then drone strike them again for good measure before sending anyone lol

[next onyx]

Semis were broken in bf5.

[arctic grove]

In that scenario if I were you I’d pull out any assault gun, the gas grenades and smoke mask won’t mean anything cause assault guns are hipfire based anyway so you don’t lose much except visibility that nobody else pretty much has either

[copper ice]

i was also mad at like. everything. which probably didnt help me immerse myself

[next onyx]

So you know. Not like it was difficult.

[hard geyser]

Strong? Like that carbon was crazy lol

[wide shore]

Garand was great solely for its fire rate.

[next onyx]

Broken strong yeah.

[wide shore]

You could spam that fucker

[shell ermine]

BFV is the only period shooter that actually has viable semiautomatic rifles

[wide shore]

Loved it

[ruby saffron]

The jungle carbine is the only reason people played medic in bfv

[shell ermine]

Where you aren't kneecaping yourself to use one

[hard geyser]

I never used it cause the first few times with the garand I got slapped tbh

[copper ice]

i wasnt close! they could just push indefinitely because 70 bullets is a hell of a long time to go without needing to reload

[wide shore]

They were very viable in BF1 too.

[hard geyser]

The carbine I was a lot better with

[wide shore]

Even with the bloom

[next onyx]

Yeah in bf1 they were genuinely viable too.

[wide shore]

The RSC 2 shot kill was unreal

[shell ermine]

SMGs own the day in BF1

[hard geyser]

Bf1 was king of single tap guns

[wide shore]

Not on every map tho

[copper ice]

bfv had super stronk semis

good in every scenario

[next onyx]

Semis were still viable in model 8 extended and the selbstlader 1916.

[hard geyser]

That's why I hated it tbh. I didn't really enjoy semis til recently and I stopped rushing all the time

[ruby saffron]

Shot a dude driving a transport in the head with the ghostmaker

[abstract otter]

That annoyed me like in a ww1 game it felt strange to have so many smgs

[arctic grove]

It makes sense that BFV has the better semis since the gunplay is different while still probably retaining their strength

[hard geyser]

When you play passive semis kinda fun

[wide shore]

RSC, m1907 extended if you count that

[copper ice]

jungle carbine was so silly

[next onyx]

Bf5 semis like the turner, mas, m1a1, etc broke the game when you knew what you were doing.

[shell ermine]

Like good luck using semis in COD WWII or Vanguard

[copper ice]

20 mag turner was hell

[wide shore]

Oh, the the General Liu, which was a fucking beast of a gun

[copper ice]

pre-nerf g1-5 was hell

[next onyx]

Beta turner smle with 20+1 rounds.

In the beta the turner could run a 20 round box mag.

[ruby saffron]

Battlefield: revolution

Set in 1776

[shell ermine]

Garand's 2 hit headshot makes short work of auto spammers in cqb

[abstract otter]

Yeah 2042 really lacks atmosphere

[ruby saffron]

Only guns are muskets that take a minute to reload

[wide shore]

The ability to turn your single action rifle into a straight bolt with the sniper damage was sick

[copper ice]

they'd still find a way to give it a fuckin gatling gun smg somehow

[arctic grove]

It’s bound to happen when they have to balance its gameplay and theme

[ruby saffron]

Truuuu

[wide shore]

What annoyed ME was people expecting BF1 to be a trench warfare simulator

[abstract otter]

Actually a guy made a box mag 7.62 assault riffle blueprint in Bosnia

[next onyx]

Americans are weird. Last time I flew in a west coast server some guy tried to flieger me and then tried to get into a plane to take me out.

[wide shore]

Like, c’mon bro it’s battlefield

[arctic grove]

We do some troleng

[next onyx]

Tunnel visionned hard onto me.

Literally.

[abstract otter]

For sure but smg spam was a bit much

[next onyx]

I'm just doing some casual flying and the guy just wants my ass.

[copper ice]

Mix that with the da vinci tank and helicopter blueprints, full battlefield game ready to go

[ruby saffron]

Whats funny is the atmosphere is in the game, but its only in the solo mode vs bots, the bots dont have bad lines and they are always giving out callouts and have very immersive lines, but they couldnt bother putting that in regular mp

[shell ermine]

Yet, imo, they got the balance of weapon types right in BFV for what was actually used in the war

[wide shore]

I don’t really think it was that bad. I was a support main in BF1. Those LMGs were got tier.

[next onyx]

@arctic grove

[frank sequoia]

Sup folks

[next onyx]

Ketamine.

[wide shore]

A lot more leeway in WWII

[abstract otter]

Its the maps too they really don’t feel war torn

[frank sequoia]

Ketamine is for the horses

[next onyx]

During a bt match on pacific storm.

[abstract otter]

Feels like you’re fighting for nothing

[next onyx]

Cause haha zero a6m5.

[ruby saffron]

A few do, most dont tho yea

[abstract otter]

Although the s3 map kinda remedied that

[frank sequoia]

Makes you think… 😔

[next onyx]

I've played games for so long I don't even pay attention to the atmosphere.

[arctic grove]

TBF Bf1 experimented so much since… besides bolt action rifles, not much else was actually issued out for the factions

[next onyx]

Like wow we're given a map and this is its own story.

I just don't care. I'm here to shoot people.

[wide shore]

I know a lot of people hated the Hellriegel. I did too for a while. But the fact they brought that gun to life was awesome.

[shell ermine]

2042 not having factions is a real shitstain on the game that won't ever come out

[abstract otter]

You forget sometimes but it’s so damn important and usually dice nail it

[copper ice]

the atmosphere is lacking in 2042 because it has fucking shipping containers EVERYWHERE

[arctic grove]

I will always hate this about BF2042

[copper ice]

and you cant even dent them

[wide shore]

Seeing those insanely rare WWI weapons animated, and developed by a triple A studio, is again, awesome

[ruby saffron]

Spearhead is a great map

[frank sequoia]

Should add bf1 to portal, old bf1 planes so old can’t even get heat locks on em or emp affect

[next onyx]

I was just glad my BAR was in bf1.

[copper ice]

even lacking factions and everything else, watching a map get blown to smithereens is a battlefield experience (tm)

[shell ermine]

Why not make tanks out of the metal of shipping containers?

[frank sequoia]

Exposure is best, enjoy more of the valley and trees

[copper ice]

which doesnt happen in 2042 because you can only blow up like 5 things per map

[arctic grove]

Destruction I’m okay with taking a backseat but the genuine lack of any real sense of factions bugs me so damn hard

[wide shore]

BAR trench was one of my first fav guns

[wide shore]

Someone hold me back

[copper ice]

put wheels on the containers

skip the middleman

[abstract otter]

Thing is the atmosphere in the trailers for 2042 was so good

[arctic grove]

Like 2042 gameplay im fine with. Of course it has its balancing issues but it’s good, but I just don’t feel any immersion or sense of my faction besides what flag I see on objectives and my vehicles, I hate it

[frank sequoia]

Need more nature valley type maps

Love the trees

[abstract otter]

Fighting for the people who don’t have a voice preventing a ww3

[ruby saffron]

Spearhead has good destruction, the walls on the factories crumbling down is pretty good looking

[abstract otter]

But in the game it’s nothing like that

[wide shore]

They had ideas. And the ideas were great. But they literally just said fuck executing it. We can’t do that

[abstract otter]

It’d be perfect if one the cubes could collapse

[shell ermine]

BFV's weapon specialization system > 2042's attachments and BF1's variants

[copper ice]

part of what eternally pisses me off about 2042 is this; they knew the actual atmosphere of the game wasn't what was in the trailers and they did it anyway because they knew it would sell

[arctic grove]

Specializations should honestly come back solely because of the ADS speed one

[wide shore]

People really hated this system too. I kinda really liked it.

[copper ice]

thats not a good basis for a game

[ruby saffron]

As much as i like 2042 the trailers were straight up cap

[copper ice]

bfv specialisation system was definitely better especially with some tweaking to improve them beyond their initial game

the attachments in bf are horrendously poorly balanced

[wide shore]

The short film definitely is not anywhere near the game. But everything else is kinda up in the air.

[abstract otter]

Maybe the single player they’re working on will carry the spirit of those trailers

[copper ice]

bfv specs had some dud options yeah but you still had two clear builds with minor variation on basically every weapon

[ruby saffron]

Ill stick with 2042 until the next bf comes out, hopefully itll be in a better state

[shell ermine]

Making a singleplayer Battlefield still makes me think EA has no idea what makes players like the series

[abstract otter]

If it isn’t idk what I’ll do

[next onyx]

Wouldn't mind the effects of specialisations returning in one form or another.

Attachments and the plus system though is really refreshing.

[copper ice]

every single gun in 2042 is built exactly the same fucking way

[arctic grove]

Attachments are fine tbh

[abstract otter]

Bad company 1&2 campaign was gaz

[arctic grove]

Losing them does not fit a modern game at all either

[ruby saffron]

In all fairness every bf game has been broken beyond belief in recent memory

[shell ermine]

BF4 attachment spam was garbage

[ruby saffron]

I remember when 4 was literally unplayable

[copper ice]

1.25x sight, whatever mag has the most bullets, ubgl or laser sight, short barrel or wrapped

[next onyx]

Hell plus system should make a return with a few extra steps in the back ground.

[arctic grove]

A big part of modern guns is putting scopes or grips on them, specializations alone wouldn’t make up for that

[abstract otter]

Like halo 5 i stuck with but halo infinite hell no

[next onyx]

Give us hard attachments that we cannot change on the fly.

[copper ice]

just make the specs match the attachments

[abstract otter]

If the next bf is halo infinite level fucked man i wont bother

[shell ermine]

I hate modern guns

[wide shore]

A nice prime example is the ZK383. One side you got a big mag, slow firing SMG with solid damage. The other side you got a smaller mag high rof slightly less damage. Two different feels for the same gun. I like that

[next onyx]

And soft attachments like muzzle, mag, sight and under barrel being interchangeable at any time.

[copper ice]

i do not trust dice to balance this even remotely

[shell ermine]

Give me an alt history Korean War devolved into WW3 game

[next onyx]

So a gun can't do everything but you can make those minor needed adjustments.

[wide shore]

I like some. But most are boring derivatives of AR15’s these days.

[abstract otter]

Yeah the fact that bigger mag sizes still have no negatives isn’t right

[next onyx]

Honestly it'd be super difficult to balance cause there's even more to do.

[copper ice]

the t system is one of the largest failures of 2042 imo

[abstract otter]

I dont think they should ditch it tho

[copper ice]

as a concept not bad but executed horrendously poorly

[shell ermine]

So like all of 2042

[wide shore]

It would work better if every gun was built the same as the BSV or M5A3 pre nerf.

[next onyx]

I've found the plus system to not really change much in the larger scheme of things.

[copper ice]

tbh i consider most of 2042 poor in both concept and execution

[next onyx]

3x on the fly not an issue.

[abstract otter]

They shouldn’t make every gun an assault rifle ngl

[copper ice]

the nicest part of t system is having multiple sights i do like that

[arctic grove]

Modern guns are great but uh, WW1 era bolt actions are really growing on me lately

[shell ermine]

A war set during the apocalypse is good in concept... but we know how it turned out

[arctic grove]

And by an uncomfortable amount

[abstract otter]

The whole concept of the setting really could’ve been sick

[copper ice]

but then they have 4x scope with 1.5x zoom anyway, so...

[next onyx]

If you like the scope then you go for that.

[wide shore]

Any gun with wooden furniture gets me

[abstract otter]

It’s just isn’t in the game

[copper ice]

I do actually like the setting of 2042

[arctic grove]

I’m the exact same way but with tan that modern guns keep using lol

[copper ice]

It doesnt feel reflected in gameplay literally at all though LOL

[next onyx]

I used the hamr hybrid on my scar for a while which I had to stop because I realised I was over relying on a ranged scope for my scar.

[abstract otter]

Exactly

[arctic grove]

Clone wars are the biggest reason for this. At least if 2042 had MP factions, I’d care more about the online lore. But wtf man lol

[copper ice]

If I wasn't paying attention to any of the trailers for 2042 and just went straight into playing it, i would have literally no idea it was an apocalypse with nopats fighting for fractured countries

[abstract otter]

Feels like you are just fighting for the sake of fighting

[copper ice]

it feels like a fucking flash game level of r v b

[next onyx]

If they at least had faction specific cosmetics it would of helped the identity a bit more.

[wide shore]

I hate how stupid suppressors are in 2042. In-fact, I hate the mechanic of showing up on the minimap when you shoot. It felt SO GOOD in BF1 and BFV to be able to shoot and remain hidden.

[next onyx]

If ru cosmetics were more Gray and u.s were tan you'd instantly know instead of relying on lights. Which are great for visibility.

[abstract otter]

The easter eggs kinda help with that imo but like they’re easter eggs

These events should be part of the actual levels

[copper ice]

ohh the americans have a ship those dirty capitalists go shoot them

ohhhh the russians are attacking our special cube factories go kill the reds wahey

[abstract otter]

Yessir

[cyan trout]

Had no idea there was lore

[copper ice]

this isnt an apocalypse future this is every single dogshit fps in the last 20 years

[wide shore]

But the fact that 2 of the suppressors only work at 20+Meters, and the other two work at all ranges. But most of the SMGs in this game don’t have access to the suppressors that work at all ranges really makes me question reality.

[arctic grove]

I will never forget how the people who made the AI are more than likely the same people who designed the Specialists, the contrast is so evident it’s genuinely insane

[abstract otter]

They made a whole cruise missile blowing up a cube into a secret easter egg instead of an event whilst playing

[copper ice]

Attachments in this game are given out willy nilly to weapons, it doesn't seem to be logical

[copper ice]

i would kill to see some of these bastard cubes get annihilated

i hate those fucking cubes

[arctic grove]

You have to accept the cubes

They care about you

[copper ice]

horrible giant indestructible featureless cubes

[next onyx]

Ironically the heavy suppressors are more of a downside in the end but I know what you mean poetic.

[wide shore]

Just make all the suppressors work at all ranges. Or don’t put them on the game at all.

Have them affect velocity, and that’s it. Cause suppressors affecting damage is stupid as hell and there’s a reason everyone uses the wrapped suppressor.

[copper ice]

they suck at balancing any of the attachments

[abstract otter]

Well depends on what youre using

[copper ice]

short barrel is so free its not even funny

[next onyx]

It really does depend on the weapon you're using for the suppressors.

[abstract otter]

Like i don’t use wrapped on snipers

But ig that’s it

[copper ice]

They dont even provide the information necessary to make this decision though

You have to use sym to get the exact numbers

[wide shore]

Well, for that I get. But lowering damage on a sniper doesn’t matter much

[next onyx]

But yeah if there's one attachment that's a massive problem it's the short barrel. Doesn't really give any downsides.

[copper ice]

not just no downsides but increased rof is a colossal upside

[wide shore]

Short barrel should increase spread. Logically. But people aren’t ready for that convo.

[copper ice]

thats flat out faster ttk

[next onyx]

6ku is weird because you need to know the weapon if you want to utilise it at its fullest.

[abstract otter]

Yeah like heavy supp + suppressed rounds are supposed to remove hit indicator but that’s a straight up lie

[copper ice]

extended barrel comparatively sucks for the same reason

[next onyx]

Scar, Ak and rm277 benefit from the 6ku the most.

[wide shore]

Turns the indicator from > to ), lmao. What an upgrade

[copper ice]

they aint gonna fix subsonic because no one is using them LOL

not a single gun has extended subsonic

you're just gimping yourself

[arctic grove]

I assume they did it to not bloat ammo options

[abstract otter]

So subsonic is just useless

[wide shore]

BSV does no?

[next onyx]

Subsonic is whatever. The heavy suppressors provide more downsides than what they're worth.

[copper ice]

bsv is a unique scenario

[wide shore]

True

[next onyx]

Yeah vss has sub high powered extended.

[copper ice]

where they made subsonic not shit by giving it extended and high power options

no other gun gets this

[wide shore]

Still don’t use them anyway

[copper ice]

bsv is also always suppressed even with short barrel

and yeah theyre STILL inferior LOL

[wide shore]

Cause high power extended is still the best cause subsonic makes your bullets slow as shit

[abstract otter]

Suppressors were my jam in older bfs it was awesome to get flanks with them

[next onyx]

Eh subsonic on the vss isn't so inferior anymore at least.

Versus heavy.

[wide shore]

I haven’t tried really

[abstract otter]

But now everything is so convoluted like i just don’t use them

[copper ice]

It's definitely better than on any other weapon

[next onyx]

Generally subsonic isn't a bad attachment to go for. Standard is generally the better option overall.

Depending on the gun.

[copper ice]

in a game with the T system? where all the other options have bloat?

more bullets is more valuable almost always right now

[wide shore]

Standard is still locked on my RPT

I’m very upset

[copper ice]

even if you wanted the sidegrade from subsonic or the flat out shitter AP rounds, not a single fucking gun has extended variants of them

making them ass

[abstract otter]

50 rds on a lmg like 💀

[copper ice]

the only relevant subsonic guns are smgs and pistols where the default is close combat and subsonic provides the only range increase, like the glock

[next onyx]

Subsonic short barrel m5 is weird but it's not a bad combo.

[abstract otter]

Yeah but that’s just the ammo sys. being stupid

[copper ice]

which 1. Is fucking stupid design, and 2. Isn't shown in-game; you have to check sym for the stats because this game is allergic to giving you any fucking information about the tools youre using

[arctic grove]

Def agree, im just thinking of it from a UI perspective is all

[next onyx]

While I'm not excusing it. In game stats on battlefield have generally been bad.

The ui stats part.

Really the only part that works semi reliably is the rof.

[copper ice]

Bf1 had damage drop charts

They don't even have those anymore

[abstract otter]

Generally speaking he’s right tho

Like how many time did attachments straight up lie in their description

[copper ice]

I agree from a UI standpoint but its the one attachment section that would actually benefit from more options unlike all the chintz in the other sections

[arctic grove]

For sure, for sure

[copper ice]

literally all of them in 2042

[abstract otter]

Classic dice

[next onyx]

The descriptions for the attachments themselves are more reliable than the stats themselves.

[copper ice]

look out guys putting a grenade launcher on your gun will drop your handling by 30

thats sooo baaad

[arctic grove]

I’d absolutely love more ammo options, the UI isn’t our fault to deal with nor have to miss out on options because of

[abstract otter]

Yeah like wtf is even accuracy

[next onyx]

I know that in the past grenade launchers and scopes would affect ads times.

[abstract otter]

And firepower

[next onyx]

Spread of the gun.

That's usually the accuracy stat in battlefield.

[copper ice]

it says ubgl affects ads time but it doesnt seem perceptible

[wide shore]

Firepower I guess is damage maybe

[copper ice]

certainly not a goddamn 30 drop of handling

[abstract otter]

yeah but it’s linked to rds/min

idk why the made it like that

[copper ice]

firepower doesnt make sense

it doesnt correspond to actual stats

[abstract otter]

Just tell me per buller ffs

[wide shore]

Who knows man. I don’t even think they know how the stats work

[copper ice]

its just random

[next onyx]

Oh yeah how putting a scope on a bf5 MG would increase your ads speed to 300 ms without quick aim.

[copper ice]

the stats dont work because they literally dont correspond to anything in the game

[next onyx]

Ughhhhh

[copper ice]

those bars are made up for atmosphere

[abstract otter]

Yeah that’s why you go by cool factor

[wide shore]

They finish making a gun and throw a dart at a piece of paper and that’s it

[abstract otter]

If it looks cool on the gun it’s bound to do something

[copper ice]

pp28 has lower firepower than the assault rifles but higher actual damage

[abstract otter]

because its petite of course

[copper ice]

pbx has the fastest kill time in the whole game under 20 metres and its got like 25 firepower

doesnt make a lick of sense because its literally just made up

god that makes me so heated thats such an insult to ui design

Flat out lying to the player

Complete bullshit

[abstract otter]

It’s been a nice convo but i got a bio lab exam tomorrow i gotta catch some zzz

[copper ice]

It would be one thing if it did that as a baseline for people who just want to play and they had an option for more detailed stats for everyone else but they dont

You get the lying stat bars and you have to sniff around online for actual relevant stats

[arctic grove]

Good luck man, peace

Yeah UI needs a big rework tbh

[copper ice]

Feels like it gets worse with every game

[arctic grove]

Hell, 4/1/V pretty much use the same one right?

I love their UIs tbh

[narrow night]

hey guys, what is the total size of battlefield 2042?

[copper ice]

V felt like a step down from 1

Lots of fiddly things and too many button presses for basic things

the lack of loadouts in bfv was fucking insane i cant believe they never added any

[acoustic seal]

72.6gb plus another 2-4gb of cached shaders it's going to dump in your documents folder

[copper ice]

They didn't even add more combat roles for bootleg loadout options

[arctic grove]

Oh damn for real about the loadouts? I never noticed that

[narrow night]

ty sir

[copper ice]

Combat roles were the loadout replacements

And they literally never touched combat roles after it released

No new roles

No adjustments to the current roles

Horrendously poorly implemented

[jade stratus]

It’s not my favorite game but I’d say a major improvement is the removal of random bullet deviation

that is something I do not like

[acoustic seal]

spread to recoil conversion was about the worst way they could've done it

[copper ice]

The roles had minimal effect on gameplay but just enough that it felt bad to use it as a loadout and not try to match it to the point of the role, which led to lots of situations of me trying to adjust my loadout before spawning because i needed a different gun and gadgets and nade and i couldnt just have a loadout for it because there were only 2 damn options

awful awful awful awful for qol

[copper ice]

In terms of ui i mean

I prefer bfv gameplay to any other bf

[jade stratus]

Ah

sure yeah but the atmosphere of 1 is unparalleled

[copper ice]

Spread to recoil left most of the automatic guns suffering compared to semi autos yeah but they felt chunky to shoot because of that so im okay with it

[arctic grove]

Wait

oh nvm

[copper ice]

I also agree with this

[arctic grove]

I read random bullet deviation as spread to recoil

[copper ice]

I dont even care about atmosphere in multiplayer games normally but bf1 forcibly pulls you in

[arctic grove]

I don’t HATE spread to recoil, it keeps weapon ranges appropriate and if you really wanna shoot at someone further away with an AR you’ll tap fire

And on Console it’s nowhere near as bad so that adds into that too I suppose

[acoustic seal]

you know what else kept weapon ranges appropriate? spread

[copper ice]

bfv felt a lot better on console

[jade stratus]

like the screaming and all the little details like

[acoustic seal]

bf1 used spread to great effect to keep weapon ranges appropriate

[inner roost]

People cry about spread so much when it actually was countered by simply tap firing

[copper ice]

casuals dont like spread because me crosshair on enemy but no damage?? game bad refund wtf

[arctic grove]

BF1s atmosphere makes up for its lax gameplay compared to previous and post titles, it’s just not for a rather select group of players

[copper ice]

spread to recoil fixed this by never having your crosshair on target

which casuals also complained about

[inner roost]

2042 engagements are so bad for this reason, no spread on guns so you're constantly getting shot from 200-300m away by ARs and LMGs

[copper ice]

so now we have 2042 where nothing has recoil nor spread and every gun feels like the same piece of toast

[arctic grove]

I hear ya, although we all know spread gets iffy. If it were up to me, modifying it to kick in but only after sustained firing would be fine. Don’t give me a genuinely uncontrollable recoil pattern that goes vertically and horizontally

[copper ice]

and all the maps have incredibly long sightlines to boot

[inner roost]

BFV had same long ass sightlines but didn't suffer from the same getting shot from everywhere problem that 2042 has

[arctic grove]

Like with real guns, if you fire for long enough, you generally will have more bullet dispersion. Another example of how realism can be used for gameplay balance as well!

[jade stratus]

no engagement range, no sweet spot for snipers, barely noticeable recoil

[arctic grove]

do not mention sweet spot here mkay

[jade stratus]

explosive spam

there

oh

not a fan?

[inner roost]

Your gun is a laser beam up to 300m recoil doesn't exist so boring

[arctic grove]

Honestly, sweet spot is there so you might as well abuse it, but it wasn’t implemented correctly at all

[copper ice]

2042 doesnt even have nice burst firing because initial recoil exists so most people are magdumping because initial recoil is causing them to miss their first ten shots and then they pull the next 20 on target because no spread

its stupid

sweet spot was ass because theres no counter to it

[jade stratus]

I am one of those who think one tapping with a martini henry is soooo satisfying

[copper ice]

you have to move forwards to reach obj and doing that puts you in instant death range

[arctic grove]

A lot of times sweet spot worked in favor of players accidentally, plus the ranges it activated in. You were better off just going for ordinary headshots

[acoustic seal]

i keep forgetting IRMs are in 2042, so much work into such a stupid mechanic with almost no end result

[jade stratus]

true

[arctic grove]

I love the martini Henry

Seems so broken dude lol

[copper gale]

takes like 5 minutes to walk anywhere on the 2042 maps lol

[copper ice]

so either you have irritating snipers camping at 1hk range or people sometimes just accidentally crit you in an fps

[copper ice]

i have no idea why they are it doesnt match up with the rest of the gunplay at all

[inner roost]

5 minutes to walk across field with massive sightlines while being shot by weapons with no recoil

excellent game pacing

[torpid wadi]

Martini henry my beloved

God such a beautiful sounding gun

[copper ice]

which leads to smoke spam because you need 15 smokes to get anywhere without getting shot to fuck and back

and smoke spam sucks because there's no counter

so its just smoke fucking everywhere and firing into the dust and its LAME

its LAME

[jade stratus]

no it required at least some skill to use, with the one bullet, range where you compete with some smgs, lmgs, and semi automatic rifles, and a bullet speed of a snail compared to the competition

[inner roost]

Just throw your excessive explosives into smoke guaranteed a few kills

Everything is just horribly balanced

[jade stratus]

look, it’s improved but it still has a long way to go

[arctic grove]

Truee, i just always remembered it feeding me one shots

[acoustic seal]

people who complained/are complaining about the martini-henry have no idea that the SMLE carbine is the same thing but with pre-nerf damage and a magazine

[arctic grove]

I definitely loved it tho

[copper ice]

pick irish
take ammo box
smokes
put down aps and barricade
smoke front of barricade
fire infinite 40mm HE into smoke

[arctic grove]

This is a persistent problem with DICEs meat grinder map design

CQB doesn’t necessarily mean Locker or Metro

[jade stratus]

Not even

[copper ice]

cut the middleman and run any assault

more explosives than bullets

[arctic grove]

Meat grinders are okay but I definitely remember Locker stalemating so damn badly

Unless you flanked you’d literally be sitting on either side of the Panopticon while people spammed flares and smokes

[inner roost]

put down blasco gadget
Confuse enemy team
Pick Zain + SPH
Kill everyone

[jade stratus]

Zain, auto resupply air burst, Sfar or AK 24, sph launcher, and frags

[copper ice]

zain is a fucking nightmare

[acoustic seal]

they can't even make meat grinders anymore, we get stupid shit like C1 exposure where it's a box defenders spawn in with a grand total of three doorway-sized entrances

[inner roost]

Zain + SPH + frag grenade infantry clearing nightmare

[jade stratus]

Yeah I always went outside and capped E or A

[copper ice]

Nine 40mm nades, auto regen airburst, sph, frags

[jade stratus]

And he can equip sph launcher

[inner roost]

Don't forget every vehicle has explosives too

I love being blown up

[acoustic seal]

i was playing zain earlier on defense stranded and i would get at least 3 kills every time i fired at the rock on the hill next to first cap

such a fucking stupid addition

[copper ice]

shoot 5 airburst, reload, swap to ubgl, dump, swap to SPH, dump, airburst has recharged so swap back, swap to different ubgl, dump, toss frag, swap to SPH, dump, airburst has recharged

[jade stratus]

Like at least lis can’t equip rockets and I think that Zain shouldn’t be able to use sph

[inner roost]

That would require brain from balance team so it's not going to happen

[copper ice]

a single ammo box can give you 3 UBGL nades, 2 SPH nades and a frag

[copper ice]

Simply walk out of range of the projectile you cant see coming because you are behind the wall

[inner roost]

The breakthrough experience summed up right here

[copper ice]

[jade stratus]

And then there are transportation vehicles

[inner roost]

Ah yes the super hind what a fantastic vehicle has been op for months without being touched

[copper ice]

what if we put infinite range high aoe cannons on the transport vehicles

this could surely not backfire

[acoustic seal]

the only thing those jeeps are transporting are 30mm shells directly into my mouth

[inner roost]

Oh but we had to nerf the tracer dart which no one used definitely

[copper ice]

fuck the 30mm so much

so much man

agonising

camping jeepa

a battlefield game where the transport vehicles are camping to be ghetto artillery

entire balance team should fire themselves

[inner roost]

Literally we had one good patch where we had almost viable anti-air and heli mains cried so much dice ruined game balance

[jade stratus]

bruh breakthrough on exposure on the third objective once had two latv4s camping on the helipad mining our team with 50s

couldn’t do crap cause they were blascos

[copper ice]

[jade stratus]

and an Irish

[copper ice]

blasco means you cant lock on irish means all your dumbfire gets eaten

what counter is there

nothing

[inner roost]

Transport vehicles and fucking Jeep's shouldn't have splash damage

[jade stratus]

I think that eventually those are getting removed so it’s just mini gun and maybe 40mm gl but still

prob not gonna happen till s5

and then there are jets that are shadows of their former selves

[inner roost]

Basic balance changes going to be delayed for months fantastic, we still don't know when hind will be nerfed

[jade stratus]

like bro I need 313 back

313 dice, 313

[copper ice]

i uninstalled because totalfps told me they needed more time to nerf aps

[inner roost]

Lol

[jade stratus]

nice

aight I’m going grind peacekeeper for an awakening

[inner roost]

No point really you either farm noobs or get farmed by flying tanks rn

[sturdy socket]

need to be able to de-select maps while queueing up

[copper ice]

exactly

[sturdy socket]

i do not want to play flashpoint

[copper ice]

not fun at all

[copper ice]

sorry that would be player agency

we don't do that here

the only agency you have is deciding what skins you're going to buy

[inner roost]

We don't even get to select what squad we want to be in, and this game has been out since Nov 2021

[arctic grove]

I don’t think deselecting maps from the queue is good for any BF game tbh

Like the closest to that is a server browser which…. RIP

[jade stratus]

this may be off topic but I like what opinions there are: what’s your least favorite maps in bf (excluding 2042 because we all know how cool they are)

[arctic grove]

Eh

I usually adapt to every map

[jade stratus]

ah

nice

[arctic grove]

It’s common to hate Golmud but like………. Just use a jeep

Maps are a bit difficult to really form an objective take on for me. A good game will make me love a particular map

[next onyx]

I just wish portal was better utilised cause that would of been a decent alternative.

[arctic grove]

Let me get real lucky and go like 40-10 I’ll be praising a map, lemme die a few times to some dude camping I’m calling a map shit

[next onyx]

I have a bit of a theory on why they can't/ don't use its server browser but I'm not sure.

[arctic grove]

What’s that theory?

[next onyx]

The fact that there's technically two different studios working on it and some weird shit between them.

It's baseless but.

It's the only thing that makes sense in my head.

On why there isn't skins for portal weapons.

Because that's a dice LA thing. Not a dice SWE thing.

[acoustic seal]

better question would be which maps people actually like, at this point i hard requeue for all of the base game maps

[next onyx]

Clearly you're not playing hourglass.

[hasty hound]

I really don’t like how flares work in this game

[arctic grove]

God when it comes to 2042 it really depends… like objectively I can’t get behind the unreworked versions of any map

Rework maps are about the assets and cover stuff added and how you personally utilize it

[arctic grove]

Ah I see what you mean

[jade stratus]

Paracel storm, st Quentin scar, aerodrome, anyone?

[jolly gust]

anyone play only friday night?

[next onyx]

Oh yeah I just found out I had an ancestor who died in the battle of Mt St quentin.

[arctic grove]

For instance, kaleidoscope and renewal have the weaker reworks, but some like Orbital, Manifest and Breakaway are really not that bad

It also depends on game mode too imo

[next onyx]

Manifest and kaleidoscope are the only remakes that in my experience the map hasn't changed too much.

But yeah.

[acoustic seal]

oh i skipped over the part where you said "not 2042" my bad

[jade stratus]

It was just making them smaller and condensing the action

[next onyx]

Making them more linear.

[jade stratus]

ah, doesn’t matter

[arctic grove]

I mean honestly I really like the BF1 maps in general

[acoustic seal]

least favorite maps in bf1 are fuckin... sinai? all of the russian maps?

[jade stratus]

also the little details are fun to see no matter what you feel about the game

[next onyx]

Was about to say. The only bf1 map I dislike is Sinai.

The Russian maps for the most part weren't too bad except for one. I think it was galicia?

[arctic grove]

Galicia ye

[next onyx]

The big open one.

[acoustic seal]

galicia probably takes the crown for the worst bf1 map and it's STILL better than 2042

[arctic grove]

Galicia is horrible on Operations

[next onyx]

Galicia in general is a bad map.

Just no cover.

[jade stratus]

The only reason I like it is because I still don’t have the sawed off yet

[next onyx]

I go back playing ordinary hourglass and I remember how fucking boring it was.

[jade stratus]

so easy 20 multi kill

[arctic grove]

saying Galicia is better than 2042 maps irks me

like is that a meem take or

[jade stratus]

it had atmosphere

[next onyx]

I hate saying x is worse sometimes.

Cause in the end of the day it's still bad.

[jade stratus]

imagine being there in 1916 or whenever

[acoustic seal]

no, galicia still has more cover and spots to hide than something like hourglass, orbital last sectors, discarded

which is really sad

[next onyx]

I will admit I was a bit disappointed that orbital didn't utilise the hills in bt.

[arctic grove]

hmm hourglass I see what you mean

[next onyx]

That would of been cool.

Through the tunnel.

[arctic grove]

When comparing Galicia and hourglass Galicia really suffers in having a lack of terrain that goes up and down. It’s literally one entire flat field, hourglass sand dunes at least do it the justice of doing the opposite

[jade stratus]

In orbital I really don’t like the rocket, it’s cool the first 10 or so times in 4k but eventually it gets annoying and sometimes kills you

[arctic grove]

Hourglass - way too big, objective travel time doesn’t exist on infantry, makes vehicle farming easy

Galicia - way too flat, genuinely unplayable for anything that isn’t snipers half of the time

[jade stratus]

I just like taking the tankgewehr and one tapping from 250+ meters

[arctic grove]

Galicia is only slightly better because the only vehicles happen to be the Muryomets and train

[jade stratus]

best map for atmosphere in every game?

Including 2042

[arctic grove]

Verdun heights is S tier atmosphere

[jade stratus]

Really? I like passchendaele more

Cause it’s GREEN

[arctic grove]

Both are actually good tbh, it’s just I played Verdun heights recently

[jade stratus]

yes same

[arctic grove]

The smoke pushed everyone into smg range and it was fookin epic

[acoustic seal]

verdun heights is cool because the terrain (burning in the pits of hell) matches the gameplay (absolute fucking meatgrinder slog)

[arctic grove]

Stick drift decided to crawl it’s way into existence again

Coincidentally when I want to play FPS way more

thank you sony for purposefully designing shite controllers (people spend launch game prices for a controller every year)

[next onyx]

I wonder if the low life of controllers is just a side effect of us using the controllers more.

[arctic grove]

Funny enough my controller just has it sometimes and then it’ll disappear after a bit

[next onyx]

I had a good controller but then the LS click in stopped working.

[acoustic seal]

it's gotta be a construction problem, i have some beat to hell dualshock 2s that never developed problems

[next onyx]

Yeah. I overused that controller to shit so it makes sense.

Then I've had two controllers that only lasted three days cause the little ball disconnected from the joint making the joystick unusable.

[jade stratus]

This is why I use Xbox, they have never failed me

Whoops wrong link

whatever

[next onyx]

I was on xbox too.

[jade stratus]

I don’t think those controllers have ever drifter

[charred stag]

I just realized that only seasons conquest is 128 player. Are they getting rid of 128 player conquest?

[next onyx]

No.

[jade stratus]

nope just replacing it

[next onyx]

It's just a weekly rotation.

[charred stag]

Ah

[scenic badger]

I've been driving jeeps, hovers and Bolte's in 2042 with a Logitech racing sim rig for the past 2 hours. Its been a fun experience, gotta assign a few more buttons for primary weapons next time, but gonna chop a few clips up

[charred stag]

Hey guys,not sure if I'm late to the party but I just realized that one of the skins we got from season 2, specifically for the F35,is called flashpoint. And 2 seasons later we end up getting a map called flashpoint

[copper fulcrum]

WOW

[arctic grove]

I feel like battlefield games are the only shooters I've ever played where people actually use smoke grenades

And that's not a bad thing

[charred stag]

I think it's because they serve more of a purpose here than in other games. I can't say anything about games like warface or insurgency,or even rainbow. But in call of duty they serve no purpose

[arctic grove]

Smoke grenades are good in CoD ground war/invasion

[charred stag]

Meanwhile in battlefield games you can use them to avoid far range snipers,or to revive a fallen teammate,or to avoid a vehicle that sees you

Invasion maybe but not ground war. In both it's purely just people sitting on roofs with snipers out. The difference in invasion being there are bots

[arctic grove]

The only call of duty game I ever liked was Modern Warfare 3 and the only mode I liked which they seem to have never brought back was Drop Zone

Where the objective you had to hold would change places throughout the match and random care packages/kill streaks would drop periodically inside the drop zone

[static prairie]

Dropzone was in mw2019 aswell

It was very fun gamemode in mw3

[mild crystal]

Any tips for a new heli pilot?