#battlefield-2042

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wide shore
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You gotta add them using their EA account ID. If they don’t have one. Have them make one and link their PSN account to it. Their login name on EA’s website is the name you need to add them with. Not their PSN ID

clever marlin
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Was that more of a consumer issue or the actual adapter issue

remote kiln
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er it's both in a way

clever marlin
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I know that people were unintentionally blowing up their connectors because they failed to seat the connector properly

remote kiln
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the voltage regulator wasnt designed to accommodate the connector being in that way that's correct

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but it should have been because that's an obvious oversight

spiral folio
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What specifically did they find was the problem with those cards that had heat/fire issues

remote kiln
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consumers aren't bright, and if you don't include consumer errors in your specification, it will (literally) blow up

spiral folio
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My older brother is generic joe-consumer. He almost bought a new mower twice once because tthe sparkplug was bad. Another cause it needed a throttle spring

remote kiln
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it's why 16 pins are designed the way they are, to avoid consumers unintentionally setting their cards on fire

wide shore
celest horizon
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yikes

wide shore
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But

spiral folio
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The connector housing is also really important in maintaining both fitting within tolerance and proper materials

clever marlin
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I guess that’s always going to be a problem when going to a new standard of power connector

remote kiln
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and tldr is it caused it to set alight due to the extreme heat

spiral folio
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If you use an inferior material it can also give you a poor fitment causing improper angles and stress

remote kiln
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would generate something insane like 150 degrees of heat because of non contact

celest horizon
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are we talking about the 4000 series cards with their pins melting or what

remote kiln
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yes

spiral folio
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Basically creating alittle point-welder

celest horizon
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that was a manifacturer/design error

radiant prism
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damn that sounds cool

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I should do that

celest horizon
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watch jay2cents video's on youtube

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simple

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or gamers nexus

mental delta
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You mean someone who uses a selfie as profile picture

cosmic sequoia
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God I hope they fix the game launching issue

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Shit is ridiculous

celest horizon
clever marlin
radiant prism
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what

celest horizon
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they will probably have us pay €5 every time we want to launch the game

radiant prism
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I just assumed it was my computer, happens with all my games lol

cosmic sequoia
spiral folio
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Well unfortunately manufacturing error is vague. Like you could get this with a lot of issues
Poor tolerances either contacts or connector body, inferior connector body material

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You can save time/money skimping on any of those

mental delta
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I played the old gen version of BF2042 yestarday it was horrible

celest horizon
cosmic sequoia
tired quest
cosmic sequoia
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Imagine if they just had to optimize for 128 players and like current gen

mental delta
spiral folio
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I cant do videos right now

celest horizon
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these 2

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explain it simply

spiral folio
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Such as both of those

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Great i CANT watch either

celest horizon
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its not consumer error its manufacturers error. design flaw.

spiral folio
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Design flaw is vague i was asking specifically

mental delta
# tired quest shit looks like ps2

I was kinda surprised if you want to know lol, the last game I've seen who had that kind of difference between old and next gen versions was BO3*

celest horizon
spiral folio
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And neither can i watch

tired quest
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i totally forgot about bo3

celest horizon
radiant prism
spiral folio
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Situation

radiant prism
celest horizon
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what

mental delta
radiant prism
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Yeah BO3 last gen is egregious

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I hope they drop last gen for the next BF game

spiral folio
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I mostly say things whike waiting on our network to stop being stupid butni cant watch videos

radiant prism
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Trying to develop for two generations is just a waste of time

mental delta
pastel loom
radiant prism
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yea

next onyx
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Ah.

radiant prism
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leave

spiral folio
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At the connector company i worked for we used glass filled nylon to loke 0.003" tolerance. Some used "DAP" which is one of those high temp plastics thatll crack if you smash it

next onyx
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A studio getting fucked over a publisher. Very new yes.

pastel loom
celest horizon
# spiral folio Situation

too much to explain. has to do with the wires, the connectors have a 12 pin connector, but it only has 8 wires leading to it. and inside the pin connector the wires are attached in a dumb way etc etc

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just watch the videos

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whenever you can

next onyx
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You can still say last gen bo3 was shit but it's because of that.

spiral folio
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Yea huh

next onyx
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At least the game was playable but.

radiant prism
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Playable but my god the reload animation comparison was fun to watch

spiral folio
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Guess they were using the extra pins as stabilization

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Or hoping it would

radiant prism
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I still play BO3 though

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Zombies is still fun

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Solo'd the Der Eisendrache EE the other day

spiral folio
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Zombie modes seem like what you do with an old game. Its weird CoD has em off the bat

celest horizon
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too complex to explain here + its not linus tech tips server.

radiant prism
spiral folio
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Well each pin adds X amount of mating force

celest horizon
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you're saying words but its not correct

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just watch the videos lad

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simple as

spiral folio
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Literally wont be able to for about 7 hours

celest horizon
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well watch it after 7 hours then

spiral folio
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I'll definitely forget by then

celest horizon
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just dont

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😛

radiant prism
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time to play 2042 in class with no audio

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(i will not go positive)

clever marlin
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the joys of pc gaming

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and the joys of playing a game with the fans at max

radiant prism
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laptop gaming

clever marlin
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🫰

radiant prism
sour dock
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Hello everyone!!!

radiant prism
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BMOC

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(Big Makxrov on Campus)

spiral folio
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I found an article on it at least

When i saw 12VHPWR i was like "shit please dont be my conpany" cause they name connectors like that

sour dock
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Woopwooop

remote kiln
spiral folio
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It doesnt really go into detail though

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But i mean
Thin connector
Cable stress

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450W

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My company used machined contacts anyway so its not ours

remote kiln
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the 12VHPWP is designed to handle up to 600 watts without issue

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that's on the factory specification

spiral folio
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Yea and that's like ideally connected without rotational stress

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They showed a render of the fixed card and its 90deg mounted

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You could alternatively supply a 90deg ended cable

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But this is easier i guess

remote kiln
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the cable wouldn't work

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there is no standard that can handle that level of current reliably

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aside from ATX 3.0, which basically no extensions have implemented until the start of the year

spiral folio
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Well like there are but that vendor probably figured this would be the most expedient solution

robust aspen
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Is the new specialist ability even useful?

remote kiln
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there isn't, no cable until Q1 2023 was built to ATX 3

spiral folio
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90deg mounting solves both issues

remote kiln
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the cards were launched in 2022

remote kiln
spiral folio
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No im saying theyd have to build a whole new cable

remote kiln
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oh well, yeah, but they couldn't even if they wanted to

spiral folio
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Which probably require more paperwork approvals etc

remote kiln
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the spec launched during Q2 of 2022, was way too late

celest horizon
# spiral folio But i mean Thin connector Cable stress

the connector plate is tiny compared to the wires attached to it, so a lot of resistance is on the place causing heat. that combined with the 3 bundles of wires which is really short cause stress on the connection when bend sideways ( as it is intended to bend). which results in the outer 2 connectors becoming loose. the solder brakes and it causes a loose connection which generates heat and melts the pins

remote kiln
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^

spiral folio
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Yea rotating the cards connector solves both issues immediately

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And without additional testing and approvals

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Likely if they produced a new cable youd have to have it tested and itd take months

remote kiln
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they can't rotate the connector

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unless there's a change to the internal PCB, that's impossible

celest horizon
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^

spiral folio
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Id show the picture if i could

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But you know censorship

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I was referring to the card render in the article i saw

remote kiln
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it wouldn't work

fickle wharf
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rampage ??

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tl:dr

remote kiln
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the connectors all have exclusive connections to voltage regulators inside the card

spiral folio
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Instead of the connector horizontal, they rotated it 90deg downward

remote kiln
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which would cause the inner PCB wiring to break

spiral folio
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So that it runs perpendicular to the pcb

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Id have to see the pcb itself to say if it requires a change there

remote kiln
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it does..

spiral folio
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Depending how the contacts wire to the pcb

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90 deg mounted connectors tend to have additional mounting hardware too

celest horizon
remote kiln
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again, rotating it without adjusting the wiring that connects to the voltage regulators will break the card

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or set it on fire

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probably the second

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there is no room for messing with the integrity, it's too volatile

spiral folio
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I'm going by if the angular stress is the cause of the thermal anomaly going beyond spec

Not if the connector itself is just flawed.

remote kiln
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it wasn't beyond spec

uncut bay
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wtf where did my loadouts go

spiral folio
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Dead

remote kiln
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the specification for 12VPH was built with that consideration

uncut bay
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did they remove loadouts entirely?

spiral folio
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... how long have you been gone

uncut bay
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i stopped playing in s2

spiral folio
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And you still have regular rank

uncut bay
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i didn't stop being in this server

remote kiln
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Kato has talked here before

uncut bay
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just muted this channel

remote kiln
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quite extensively

spiral folio
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Ah other rooms

uncut bay
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but yeah wtf

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no loadouts

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what am i gonna do now

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confined to 4 classes

spiral folio
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Yea they nerfed everything by adding classes

uncut bay
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i thought it'd be a superficial change but they went and got rid of loadouts like half a year after release

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that's absurd

spiral folio
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Some unclean masses like classes cause it tells them what to do

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Loki "this is your natural state"

remote kiln
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meh I prefer them simply for balancing reasons

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outside of that don't care

uncut bay
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really not a fan. I had all 10 loadouts set up and i used all of them

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now i actually have to switch individual things per class

spiral folio
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Yea making a loadout for a task and/or purpose?! What is this sorcery!

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No we cant have that

remote kiln
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don't know why DICE got rid of them to be honest they could have just reset them

uncut bay
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yeah, classes and loadouts can coexist

spiral folio
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My favorite part of the hurdur is that recons have both the soflam and the tracer dart. Of which only the engineer benefits from the tracer dart but god forbid they carry one

uncut bay
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i understand resetting them because of the gadget and weapon clashing but

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removing them altogether was dumb

spiral folio
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I think like a major part of why they did classes was specifically preventing squirrel girl and mackay from using spawn beacons

remote kiln
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they were correct in not giving the engineer tracer darts

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it doesn't solve anything that wasn't already a problem

spiral folio
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Engineers are the only people thst benefit from them. It makes no logical sense to not give it to them other than trying in absolute desperation to force people to teamwork

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And shocker
It doesnt happen

remote kiln
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yeah that's what they're trying to do

spiral folio
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Teamwork will never be forced.
It either happens by accident
Or by incentive

remote kiln
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it's also why they gave Rao hacks the ability to be locked on aswell

uncut bay
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man i was almost ready to come back to 2042 and check out new maps and guns but no loadouts will keep me away for some more time. I cba to figure out the classes

spiral folio
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If you got frigin Bcoins per tracer kill. You bet your ass every recon would use em XD

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But just like
Not letting engineers use it. Nah

remote kiln
formal garnet
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Is tactical compensator the best muzzle

remote kiln
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yes

remote kiln
spiral folio
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Theres ways around classes. I ditched my other builds i just play lis with a railgun now

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The lis rocket solves the fact you'll never get ammo for an AA rocket or m5 or javelin

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And the rail holds like a billion rounds

formal garnet
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M5a3, idk what weapon accuracy means

spiral folio
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The rounds usually over by the time i need ammo

remote kiln
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oh idk about the M5 not used it in ages

glacial quarry
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any gun that has short barrel, use it

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zero penalty to accuracy and recoil

spiral folio
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M5 recoilless

frank sequoia
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Vcar goes hard

spiral folio
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Some playstyles didnt really see a change

next onyx
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Weapon accuracy is of its spread.

next onyx
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Arcom is what you want on most assault rifles.

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Other is short barrel with the STNR laser sight.

glacial quarry
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still dont know diff between stnr and mgr

spiral folio
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Short tungsten nitride rifle :v?

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"The blue one" or "the red one" would also work

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For a laser

sour meadow
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question

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MAV or Brawler

spiral folio
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The jawa crawler is ugly

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And badly designed

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I assume the brawler is the wheeled guy

copper ice
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brawler because the driver actually gets abilities

sour meadow
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"jawa crawler"?

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oh

copper ice
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plus full team spawn

sour meadow
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star wars

copper ice
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same reason RAM > wildcat

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spawn beacon

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tactically they're just drastically superior

spiral folio
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Til you need to kill a chopper

copper ice
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horrendous balance failure to not add those capabilities to the previous models in the vehicle tiers

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if its got 50mm you're still losing

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not worth picking something that's only good against air and dogshit against both vehicles and infantry instead of something that just performs well

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ram howitzer fucks infantry and its missile launcher fucks vehicles

spiral folio
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The 30mm + AA missiles is really the only way youre gonna kill a hind

copper ice
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superior mobility, spawn beacon, even a sexy bonus gunner slot that gets AT/AA missiles

copper ice
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which is beyond stupid but thats current game balance

spiral folio
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The 30mm keeps em damaged then the AA missiles deplete their flares it also keeps them doing more things

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You basically overwhelm the pilot

copper ice
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If the hind has 50mm it just wins

sour meadow
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vehicle balance is dogshit in 2042

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Across everything

spiral folio
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Well the hind is like almost broken

clever marlin
spiral folio
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A mildly adequate pilot can keep one in the air most of the battle

clever marlin
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the 40mm gl is broken af

copper ice
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Wildcat harrasses hind better than any alternative yeah but giving up all ground capabilities to not even guarantee air kills without them messing up is an insane trade

spiral folio
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Default build wildcat on defense, ram on offense

copper ice
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this is testable

clever marlin
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id love for tanks to have AA capabilities

sour meadow
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are we also assuming the hind doesn't have reppers

clever marlin
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all of the vehicles to some capacity have AA

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EXCEPT tanks

spiral folio
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Some idiot bailed his noob build wildcat and i took the hind out he struggled with all game

copper ice
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40mm is better for infantry farming but the 50mm literally kills the anti air vehicle before it kills your heli

sour meadow
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boob build

copper ice
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30mm wildcat should be drastically better vs infantry

sour meadow
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no we don't need anymore losers using AA to kill infantry

spiral folio
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Yea i hate the trope of
"Big guns shouldnt hurt infantry to discourage their use"

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But that's battlefield

copper ice
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non-lock AA has historically always been good against infantry due to either massive exploding flak rounds or 8 billion machine guns

arctic grove
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I literally just spent the last few days grinding out the assignments to unlock Crawford, Lis, and Zain. Are you kidding me?

sour meadow
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rip

sour meadow
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at least you progressed the bp

arctic grove
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Also buff Crawford's turret, worst specialist

copper ice
arctic grove
spiral folio
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The thing i kinda hate is besides the wildcat... what other AA is there

copper ice
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boris and Crawford are the special duo that are the only specs to get access to rocket launchers and are probably also the worst 2 specs in the game

sour meadow
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idk

copper ice
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another dice moment

spiral folio
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Theres no map AA

sour meadow
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i just hate seeing friendly teammates trying to snipe infy with AA

spiral folio
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AP ammo is basically worthless

copper ice
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the aa launcher :^)

sour meadow
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like you're doing nothig

spiral folio
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Yea the AA rocket js basically a button that uses the enemy flares

copper ice
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literally just activates it for them

spiral folio
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And you get 2

copper ice
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lmao

spiral folio
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Two!

sour meadow
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i've heard the arguement that the AA launcher is meant to make pilots fuck off instead of just killing them

copper ice
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that's a silly argument when we have Literally No Alternative

sour meadow
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if that's the case why not just make it a device that manually pops their flares

copper ice
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If the ONLY aa option we have is the launcher then it needs to kill them

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From a design perspective that's the only thing that makes sense

spiral folio
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Yea like if you wanna damage a helo
Use lis
If you wanna use their flares up, use the AA launcher and spend the whole battle looking for ammo

sour meadow
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or play Rao

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"i'll hack them so they can't flare"

copper ice
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I have more heli kills with the fucking 40mm AP underbarrel nade launcher than literally anything else

sour meadow
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pops flares. fucks off behind building

spiral folio
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I havent counted hiw many pilot kills ive got

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Its what keeps me going

copper ice
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lis being picked so much does suck ass when you're in a vehicle but like, fuck, can you BLAME them? wtf else are they supposed to do

spiral folio
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Yea its the only way to deal with hinds and tanks

copper ice
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flares negate all decent aa options and hipfiring the m5 into the air is like trying to land a nat 20

spiral folio
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Otherwise APS eats your rocket and ....
Welp
Thats my rocket for the game.

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-redeploy-

copper ice
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and even if you land the m5 you have to land Three More Shots

sour meadow
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why can't DICE ever balance aircraft

copper ice
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4 dumbfire rockets to take out a fucking helicopter

sour meadow
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like what is so hard

spiral folio
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Yep
And god forbid you get 3 whole rockets

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Oh and god forbid somebody drops an ammo box

copper ice
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in this case it's a vestige of trying to balance vehicles for 128p servers where everyone could use every gadget

sour meadow
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everyone running assault with C5

spiral folio
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Aps broke vehicle balance more than anything id say

copper ice
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if the entire 64p enemy team was running aa launcher then they thought you needed a strong defence

copper ice
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this hasnt changed despite 64p and classes now existing though

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so they're just woefully overtuned

spiral folio
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Like lack of ammo
Lack of damage to vehicles
All points to aps

Then when it comes to the hind
Its just flat broke.

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Takes as many hits as a damn tank while flyin

copper ice
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7 second reloads on the launchers when the vehicles have so many "lol no" buttons

spiral folio
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Yea

sour meadow
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yea what's the point

spiral folio
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Either a button or an always-on unlimited-ammo forcefield generator next to em

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I use the thermal on my lis railgun to look for aps pods but if theyre camping behind cover i csnt reach it

copper ice
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ok you shot one rocket but they smoked/flared so it missed
7 seconds
ok you shot and hit them and they pressed repair and negated all your damage
7 seconds
ok you shot again but you missed because they expected it and moved
7 seconds (and a resupply)
you go to shoot again but their smoke/flares are back up and also they were waiting for you and you're dead now

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fucking insanely interesting gameplay going on here

granite island
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Buff lis (again)

copper ice
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let me try getting on the stationary weapon instead- oh wait, we don't HAVE any

sour meadow
copper ice
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it's not a fucking sandbox if you have one tool and it doesnt even fucking work

granite island
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Just dodge the missiles

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Their fault for standing still

sour meadow
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"what do you mean i can't farm infantry"

copper ice
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i cant get around it

sour meadow
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it's crazy but i think bfv had better vehicle balance than 2042

copper ice
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from a balance perspective it's a fucking nightmare and they literally just will not do anything about it

sour meadow
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the tank gameplay in V was awesome

copper ice
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bfv had fucking horrendously imbalanced vehicles and i still agree with you

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they felt nicer to use as well

sour meadow
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the mosquito with the big delete button bomb

spiral folio
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Yea i literally quit bf5 for its vehicle balance

copper ice
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2042 vehicles arent even enjoyable

spiral folio
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Namely the planes

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Without planes bf5 was fine

copper ice
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the jubba was very silly

spiral folio
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With planes, intollerable

sour meadow
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2042 jets are unbearable

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hot take, i know

copper ice
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the best part of bfv was that it had maps with no fucking aircraft though

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2042 doesn't have this

sour meadow
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oh god

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the fjell map

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actual hell

copper ice
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every single 2042 map has Every Fucking Vehicle on it

spiral folio
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And after bf1 where you could kill a plane with a pistol if you got a good shot

copper ice
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i cant believe they went through bfv and then made aircraft even harder to kill in 2042

sour meadow
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i just fucking hate aircraft in bf

copper ice
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at least the jubba had to recharge it's nuke capabilities

umbral sparrow
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Is there a reason i have lag only when playing 2042?? No other game lags for me

copper ice
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the helis have bottomless ammo

remote kiln
umbral sparrow
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Latency

granite island
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Mirror's edge?

spiral folio
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They wont go back to module damage like bf1. Ie breaking the machinegun pods and such

remote kiln
sour meadow
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OH GREAT

spiral folio
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The most they do is like engine/movement damage

torpid ember
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Anyone else get it where Battlefield 2042 just won't launch at all, does the EAC startup screen and closes.

copper ice
spiral folio
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Forgot 1943 existed

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At first i was like wow they still have the first battlefield on.. ohhh the other one

copper ice
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what if we remove single player game from purchase because old

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👍

sour meadow
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what if we just gathered all copies of the games and bury them

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what if we erase all traces of these games existing

copper ice
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they're preparing for NEW and IMPROVED (tm) experiences

sour meadow
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oh i can't wait

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i've never played these games but straight up removing them from online storefronts is fucking ass

copper ice
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i guess this means sequels to both bad company and mirrors edge are coming heeheehoohoo

granite island
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Yeah they're never coming

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Best they can do is a reference

sour meadow
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"remember when times were good"

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get ready

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the review bombs are coming

copper ice
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can they remove the transport helis alongside those games

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i think my biggest issue with the vehicles is that they feel like they're balanced for a different game

sour meadow
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fuck it

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remove all games

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revert back to cavemen era

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get your clubs ready

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club royale

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unga royale

copper ice
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the infantry get meatgrinded fucking constantly in battlefield but it's entirely plausible for the vehicles to die less than two times in an entire round

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they just shouldnt be that sustainable

spiral folio
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They could solve the hind in a lot of ways

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Longer flare cooldowns
Slower throttle response
Less hp

copper ice
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make vehicles more vulnerable (like in real fucking life lol) but also crank up their damage capabilities

spiral folio
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Increase likelihood the engine/rotors are damaged

copper ice
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its more fun when attack is high and defense is low

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high defense low attack just makes dealing with them a fuckin nightmare

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it's not rewarding to be doing 25 damage in the 30% chance you actually land a rocket

spiral folio
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I really hate aps too. How its just "at X distance delete missile"

copper ice
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aps flat out shouldnt exist for vehicles

sour meadow
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i've always played tanks in bf. i love tanks

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i could give less of a fuck about tanks in 2042

copper ice
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the grenade spam for infantry is insane and i understand it's purpose on foot but negating all rockets just because your tanker is Irish is just ridiculous

spiral folio
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The only way around APS on vehicles ive found is with lis. Like dont aim at the tank and then turn hard into the tank

sour meadow
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the BALLS on DICE to make it so tank shells can't one shot transport helis

copper ice
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crank up vehicle agility, aoe, make the coaxial machine guns better, reduce repair rates, increase smoke cooldown/decrease duration, increase damage taken to sides/back of vehicle

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titanfall had the right idea

spiral folio
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Remove self repair

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And the ability for passengers to repair

copper ice
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they come in frequently and they're designed to be destroyed frequently

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there's no reason to have the same tank last all match when you have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of infantry deaths

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you could even reduce the respawn delay on vehicles so their uptime is higher even if they're dying more often

#

gives more people a chance to use them as well

mental delta
copper ice
#

theyre too afraid to announce anything because people will stop buying 2042

#

its a marketing strategy

#

dont suggest an alternative when the current product exists

#

same shit happened with bfv

#

just have to wait for the shambling corpse to rot first

frail sparrow
woven acorn
#

The fact that nothing has really been added to the portal experiences but they're removing bad company 2 from the store front and closing servers is kind of insulting

mental delta
twin pewter
woven acorn
#

I'd honestly still be playing bad company 2 to this day if the netcode wasn't so garbage. The ping is insane

mental delta
umbral sparrow
#

Bruh seriously why do i only have latency issues on 2042 and no other online game

frail sparrow
crisp sentinel
#

how long will dice support BF 2042? like add stuff to it?

frail sparrow
crisp sentinel
#

lol this studio is a joke

royal trail
#

i only think they have talked about up to season 5 , but theres rumors about a full year 2

orchid prairie
#

I cant find any players lmao

crisp sentinel
#

cuz they will probably cook up and sell the next battlefield scam

frail sparrow
#

they mention they wanna go to do gadgets for ze classes instead of specialists tho

slender hare
#

yeah

#

??

#

weird

#

guys what's your favorite specialist?

copper ice
#

falck

dusk falcon
#

paik

love the free aimbot

#

and spawn beacon for flanking

slender hare
#

welcome then!

copper ice
slender hare
dusk falcon
#

falck is best for beginners

#

unlimited med pens will keep you alive forever

slender hare
copper ice
#

falck is consistently useful

slender hare
dusk falcon
copper ice
#

take ammo box and you can heal + resupply everyone

slender hare
#

heal the team and yourself

dusk falcon
#

*she

she has a pistol that heals people and revives twice as fast than the other medics

copper ice
#

Comes with a gun that shoots healing darts and revives faster

slender hare
#

the hacking thing does almost nothing

dusk falcon
copper ice
#

rao is ass against vehicles with a 2.25 second hack time and no gadget that can actually hurt them

dusk falcon
#

and when you kill a hacked enemy it will spot other enemies around them

#

if you know how to use him hes great

slender hare
copper fulcrum
radiant prism
#

prevents quick repair and flares too

dusk falcon
#

oh amd when you get damaged the enemy that shot you gets spotted on the minimap for everybody

copper fulcrum
#

Just hacking someone spots everything around them

#

You don't need to kill the hacked person anymore

copper ice
#

it's better against aircraft because the range goes from 100m to 250m but it's still nothing but a vague irritant and takes up a bunch of your time you could be shooting or spotting instead of fiddling around with your armband

dusk falcon
mild crystal
#

Balls man

slender hare
dusk falcon
#

rao isnt easy

#

but hes very rewarding when you master him

mild crystal
#

Tell them to fix jets amd bring back bf4 smaw

copper fulcrum
#

Three C5 for one kill lol

radiant prism
#

C5 needs to be nerfed against infantry

dusk falcon
#

c5s are meant for vehicles imo

radiant prism
#

they should be

copper fulcrum
dusk falcon
copper ice
#

hack is just an emp nade that spots and target locks (for a short duration)
the spot is irrelevant when pressing Q exists, and the target lock is irrelevant because 90% of engies are running lis and flares persist through being hacked

radiant prism
radiant prism
slender hare
copper fulcrum
#

picture goes hard ngl

slender hare
frail sparrow
dusk falcon
copper fulcrum
#

Latest bundle yeah. Sundance on the right isn't a part of it

dusk falcon
#

that would be nice

copper ice
#

reduce sph rof, increase reload slightly, increase time to explosion, stop giving everyone so many fucking explosives

copper fulcrum
#

The Sundance skin on the right is a part of the BP

dusk falcon
#

they should add gas grenades

copper ice
#

like hell

radiant prism
#

oh god no

copper fulcrum
#

Which makes me wonder how many Battle-Pass skins are actually just hints for store bundles coming up

dapper night
radiant prism
slender hare
radiant prism
#

That backpack doesn't look like Sundance's

dapper night
copper ice
#

no one has engineer as their favorite class when boris and Crawford exist

limpid pond
#

If you guys like chicken nuggets you're lame

radiant prism
#

I mean I'm already lame

#

so its fine

dapper night
copper ice
slender hare
limpid pond
copper ice
#

ah, utilising the Crawford mounted gun for its correct purpose; being a sideways Irish barricade

lime mango
#

I like how decent(easy) the battlepass is to grind compared to call of duty's battlepass...

limpid pond
#

Crawford Is rarely used

#

Except on bt

copper ice
#

boris players don't understand what they're doing

limpid pond
#

Exactly my point

radiant prism
#

Crawford can be quite effective if you know how to use him

limpid pond
#

Which is why they choose boris

radiant prism
#

But also

#

he's def mid

lime mango
#

I dont even know what boris his special thing is

copper ice
#

i don't think you can ascribe humanity to them, they're like random electrical impulses

radiant prism
#

Boris's special is making his turrets better when you're close

edgy oriole
#

i only use crawdad bc of his ability

limpid pond
#

Really digging raos gas mask skin

edgy oriole
#

faster repair when vehicle is almost dead

copper ice
#

boris is literally the worst spec with 0 redeeming features

lime mango
#

I use the healing lady alot

limpid pond
#

Wish they had the same mask for falck

radiant prism
#

Me with T1 boris

lime mango
#

Falck is the one i use

dusk falcon
lime mango
#

Combined with smoke launcher

copper ice
#

Crawford has the repair boost (it shouldnt exist) and his stupid lame incredibly situational turret

#

run ammo box with falck and you have infinite smokes

clever marlin
#

Or just use Angel because he’s a better falck

copper ice
#

lol no

lime mango
#

Ngl thats why i prefer battlefield more, im too unskilled for call of duty

dusk falcon
#

ffa is the fastest mode to finish hence you get more tokens faster

copper ice
#

angel is worse than falck because his tossed ammo is garbage since it doesn't refill gadgets and his crate requires interacting to refill

#

and medbag < falck pistol

radiant prism
#

yes but

dusk falcon
#

bring me back to the days when angel gave people armor

radiant prism
#

Angel

dusk falcon
#

angel with armor bags was so fkn good

radiant prism
#

I don't see wide falck anywhere

copper ice
#

ammobag works easy as fuck and syringe pistol allows for constant heals

edgy oriole
#

id only use angel for when i wanted to focus ammo regen, but im more of a healer so i run double heal falck

copper ice
#

armour angel was great because armour was fucking stupid and shouldnt be in the game

#

ammo regen is solved by just taking ammobag with falck

#

couple of ammobag falcks and a medbag Irish and you're set

#

angel is irrelevant

#

swapping loadout is pretty worthless now gadget choice is so limited

#

most guns are decent in all scenarios

#

angels passive is useless

edgy oriole
#

i use his loadout to refill everything. better than ammo bag imo. unless you got 4 people that are feeding you ammo bags at the same time

#

which is as rare as someone using his loadout

copper ice
#

what do you have that constantly requires full charges

edgy oriole
#

rockets

radiant prism
#

tru

copper ice
#

ammobag has a low cooldown by itself, can be thrown again once that recharges to get another regen and stacks with others

#

rockets are poo in 2042

#

7 second reload gives ample time for the ammobag to regen lel

radiant prism
#

rockets are bad if you don't know how to use them

copper ice
#

angel also cant run rockets himself so you have to be following someone else around

edgy oriole
#

or. you can full refill an AA crew with 1 loadout and just keep unloading on vehicles.

radiant prism
#

The Javelin sucks

#

But the M5 recoilless is god tier

copper ice
#

an aa crew is meaningless because flares exist

edgy oriole
#

which im pretty sure the cooldown for loadout and ammo bag is the same thing

copper ice
#

the amount of ammo is irrelevant

edgy oriole
#

flares dont counter m5 unless its locked on

copper ice
#

the stinger could have infinite ammo and flares still negate it

limpid pond
#

64p conquest is to slow

edgy oriole
#

stingers are shit bc you require lock on. situational and bad. m5 better

copper ice
#

having to use the dumbfire rocket for anti-air purposes is not very sustainable against anyone who can actually fly

#

and its still the best option which sucks

limpid pond
#

Idk why they made 64p conquest the only cq mode you can play

edgy oriole
#

im talking anti armour in general not just helos

copper ice
#

for a dedicated anti tank squad that's doing nothing but firing m5s from the same position yeah I'll give that one to angel

#

the issue is that a single Irish negates all of them

edgy oriole
#

all vehicles not just tanks

copper ice
#

and a cohesive group like that is better off doing other things

#

m5 isn't consistently effective against air vehicles man

edgy oriole
#

like not going for vehicles and getting farmed?

copper ice
#

every ground vehicle has the health of a tank

edgy oriole
#

it is if you are good at it

copper ice
#

if the pilot is shit

#

it's reliant on the aircraft fucking up

edgy oriole
#

the lock on launcher is the worst against pilots that know simple maneuvering. m5 is the most viable option

copper ice
#

a group of m5s in the same place is also very juicy for a heli

copper ice
#

the m5 is still ass against aircraft

edgy oriole
#

but its the best bet

copper ice
#

infantry just dont have anything actually good against aircraft lel

#

its definitely the best option it just sucks that the best option is pointing the dumbfire launcher vertically and praying

dapper night
#

M5 has the highest velocity compared to past launchers iirc but it lacks ammo and a bit of damage

copper ice
#

they fucked up hard with flares

#

its got a horrendous reload speed

#

6.5 seconds

dapper night
#

Honestly I would like for DICE to buff the reload speed, ammo and slightly buff the damage in exchange for lowering the velocity of M5

copper ice
#

taking into account ads time and actually aiming at the target it's like 7.5 seconds minimum even at max rof on a stationary target

#

repairbots can just heal that

#

they buffed the velocity because engineers are supposed to be able to hit vehicles "even from their defensive positions"

chilly jacinth
#

Even if they suck

#

You mean

copper ice
#

what this translates to is Boris and Crawford have shit specialist gadgets that are only useful for defending (conceptually, because in practice they're not useful period) and they want engineer to somehow defend the base while also attacking vehicles

#

which doesn't make any sense

radiant prism
#

Boris used to be good for offense

dapper night
placid oxide
#

Isn’t it kinda hilarious how much higher my K/D is than you clowns 🤡

copper ice
#

which is what happens when you try and cram a bunch of specialists into a class system that was clearly not designed for them

radiant prism
#

Back when he would highlight enemies

copper ice
acoustic scarab
#

what is better SFAR or RM68 ?

dapper night
#

Iirc in BF4/3 you can’t solo tank but you can damage it enough that it will force to retreat

copper ice
#

they have no interest in making launchers decent against vehicles in 2042

edgy oriole
copper ice
#

or they'd have nerfed heli flares by now

cold beacon
copper ice
#

they're fine with them sucking

placid oxide
cold beacon
#

imo, S-FAR is better for me

acoustic scarab
cold beacon
copper ice
#

can you at least build into the baiting limit

cold beacon
#

I said

#

like

dapper night
copper ice
#

it wouldn't have hurt to at least pretend

cold beacon
#

See you on the Battlefield

#

to you

#

and I called you friend and u said we ain't no friends

acoustic scarab
#

the southpark joke? i'm not your friend, buddy?

cold beacon
#

oh

dapper night
cold beacon
#

I dont watch southpark xD

acoustic scarab
#

look at that quote

cold beacon
#

alright

#

xD

#

anyways, I think S-FAR is better

#

I tried changing to AK24 but I think S-FAR holds his throne

#

pretty tight

royal swan
#

It's been holding the throne since launch

placid oxide
royal swan
#

Sfar hasn't been dethroned for the few years battlefield 2042 has been around

radiant prism
#

SFAR was pretty bad at launch

fickle wharf
#

Muh extendo mag sfar

placid oxide
radiant prism
#

So not the whole time

#

but

spiral folio
#

What type of a thing is the sfar

royal swan
ebon pilot
spiral folio
#

I dont use it so..

placid oxide
royal swan
shell ermine
#

Oh fuck man

spiral folio
#

But all i use is lis now

chilly jacinth
#

Sfar=Scar

copper ice
#

sfar is 4btk to 50m kind of thing

placid oxide
shell ermine
#

They are shutting down BC1 1943 and BC2... fucking christ

royal swan
spiral folio
#

So it's not a sniper rifle

royal swan
#

I'm talking about the mortar equipment

placid oxide
royal swan
#

The one where you can fire in a arch behind cover

placid oxide
royal swan
#

No

placid oxide
#

Yes

#

Take the L and move on, camper

royal swan
#

Cry some more

placid oxide
#

Literally crying in your name tag

chilly jacinth
#

Are you one of those cringe heli pilots

royal swan
#

Cope

placid oxide
#

Add mortars 😭😭😭 I want to fight people who can’t fight back 😭😭😭

spiral folio
#

Lasers when

royal swan
#

Cope mate

radiant prism
placid oxide
#

Please don’t let me have actual engagements I want to hit people from out of range and behind cover 😭😭😭😭😭

radiant prism
#

interesting

copper ice
#

he's just baiting man

royal swan
copper ice
#

he's been doing it since his first message a few minutes ago

royal swan
#

Lmao

copper ice
#

not worth responding to him

royal swan
#

I figured

placid oxide
#

Gets proven wrong with facts and statistics “he’s baiting”

royal swan
#

Lmao

spiral folio
#

And then
"BAIT ACCEPTED"

placid oxide
royal swan
mellow wave
#

guys what happened to the flag notification you had saying the flag was being conquered or not?

spiral folio
#

Block em?

mellow wave
#

like when you are AT the flag it no longer appeared

spiral folio
#

It was fun for a bit but its getting stupid

royal swan
chilly jacinth
royal swan
#

Happens to alot of them

spiral folio
#

Like the odds of mortars being added frogconcern

placid oxide
#

Do you have any idea who you’re talking to ?

ruby saffron
#

Stopped playing a while ago, came back and saw a ai bot flying a jet, nice upgrade!

placid oxide
#

I was the first to find the interactive hatch on stranded

#

Put some respect on it

placid oxide
#

My greatest achievement in life

royal swan
#

It's just your imagination

radiant prism
#

the bait is so prevalent I'm surrounded by fish already

royal swan
#

The hatch never existed

spiral folio
#

I am the hatch

#

I can confirm his story

#

I didnt want to make a big deal of it

#

My reluctance adds credibility

royal swan
#

you guys didn't... ew

spiral folio
#

But i am a sentient hatch on a map

royal swan
#

That's nasty

spiral folio
#

Nah i just was moved physically out of the way

#

Ordinarily people ignore me. So the attention was nice

radiant prism
#

they say jesus emerged from the sentient hatch on Stranded after the third day

mossy badge
royal swan
spiral folio
#

Man dont spoil the next update

#

Jesus is part of the new hidden classes update

acoustic seal
#

blatantly stupid infantry explosives are already in the game, it's called sph launcher

placid oxide
#

Observer is jealous of my K/d 😔

radiant prism
#

profound stuff as always vfc

royal swan
acoustic seal
#

year 2 is going to add one new infantry explosive each patch until everyone quits the game

spiral folio
#

Explosive rounds for the ntw

radiant prism
#

SPH is too powerful? Didn't realize it was unpopular opinion hour

placid oxide
#

Please don’t talk in this chat if your k/d is less than 3. High value takes only

spiral folio
#

Explosive knives

copper ice
#

I was foolish enough to think the sph launcher might be okay if it was targeted specifically at breaking walls to make entry points, and then i found out it had two shots per mag and reloaded in a second flat

spiral folio
#

Gonna put your kdr on your resume?

copper fulcrum
#

Love the salt, the devs added ONE explosive gadget that's exclusive to ONE class and people overreact lol

copper ice
#

Because it's horrendously powerful?

radiant prism
copper ice
#

They nerfed it immediately it was so obviously overtuned

royal swan
copper ice
#

And assault specialists already have a ton of explosives

spiral folio
#

Warn ya. If you put your battlefield stats on your resume. Better be the right game.

copper ice
#

Zain doesn't even need bullets at this point

placid oxide
radiant prism
copper ice
#

9 UBGL grenades, airburst, sph, frags

acoustic seal
royal swan
copper ice
#

i literally have gone entire matches with zain without using bullets

#

that was pre sph

radiant prism
copper ice
#

yeah if you stand in the open next to someone sure

radiant prism
#

I've taken Zain to T1. He's good, but get sights on a zain using his XM and he's done

copper ice
#

so you can just not do that

#

what kind of argument is "if the other player sucks you'll win every time"

#

no shit

acoustic seal
radiant prism
#

being seen in an fps game apparently counts as sucking

radiant prism
#

Its average range of use is probably 30-60m

copper ice
#

im pretty confident the average player is not full autoing the half of the zains head that's showing from 90m away behind cover before they get triple airbursted

acoustic seal
copper ice
#

airburst is horrendously strong right now

radiant prism
#

Nice thing about being 100m away is that its super easy to just, yknow, move? Where he's not shooting?

#

jesus christ use your wasd keys

#

actually wait this is BF no one does that

spiral folio
#

Boss "so you have a 3-1 kdr on battlefield... vehicle user?"
"Just the SCAR"
"Scar?"
"It's an assault rifle"
Bossmans expression drops. "I see.... any other interests? What's your favorite elite class"
"Elite class? Sir? Uh" You notice a case behind him with an old gas mask and a model biplane.

radiant prism
#

If my attacking teams on BT are anything to go by

royal swan
copper ice
#

i can count the amount of people who've gotten hit by my first airburst and not gotten killed by the two followups on one hand

spiral folio
#

Signed copy of 7 nation army on the wall

radiant prism
#

People need to realize the counter to Zain is literally to just move

copper ice
#

The aoe is huge and the minimum damage guarantees it's almost always a 3 hit kill

radiant prism
#

The thing is when someone is shooting at you from the other side of the wall is they can't track when you move

spiral folio
radiant prism
#

lmao

#

thank you znath

acoustic seal
#

JUST MOVE BRO THERE'S ONLY A SINGLE DIGIT NUMBER OF FLAG ENTRANCES AND COVER SPOTS ON EACH MAP

royal swan
#

Zain has a hard counter, fucking use it

hybrid totem
#

You can easily approach any flag from an infinite number of routes above

royal swan
#

If you don't use it you have no right to bitch

hybrid totem
#

Just parachute

placid oxide
#

I’m sick and tired of seeing all these low-skill player takes. Please dont chat unless you have at least a 3 KDR

spiral folio
#

Ive had zains pop airbursts in front of me at like 50m away

radiant prism
#

Gotta love vfc taking things out of proportion because thats the only way his arguments make any sense

spiral folio
#

Just kinda
That scene in toystory when woody opens buzz's visor and he starts choking

royal swan
copper ice
#

when someone is airbursting you from the other side of a wall you have to react incredibly quickly to avoid the third hit, get lucky with picking the direction you run in that he isnt firing in that direction, and also have more cover to move behind so you dont run out from the wall with 30 health left immediately into the open

spiral folio
#

Woodys expression when the visor fell

placid oxide
hybrid totem
hybrid totem
placid oxide
copper ice
#

i got triple hit by a zain behind a wall when i was already tac sprinting and he fired at the same place all three times because the aoe is just that large

hybrid totem
placid oxide
naive magnet
#

Im pretty sick of this inability to see cap percentage bug

copper ice
#

it doesnt consistently get 5+ multikills because it's a small aoe

placid oxide
#

No one else is allowed to though

naive magnet
#

Kinda ridiculous it’s been 2 weeks brown

copper ice
#

only two weeks

naive magnet
#

Of not being able to see the cap percentage in about half of games

copper ice
#

give it another 5

#

we had invisible soldiers in bfv for over a month

hybrid totem
naive magnet
#

Jesus

#

That’s not good

placid oxide
radiant prism
#

you and vfc both need to learn that hyperbole doesn't make a valid argument

royal swan
#

That's valid Gecc

acoustic seal
spiral folio
#

Mine rounds down to 3

#

I mostly like sniping and killing vehicles though

placid oxide
#

Way too many low K/D players in chat right now I can’t see the quality discussions

copper ice
spiral folio
#

Please dont criticize other peoples kdr if you have to round UP

copper ice
#

this isn't hyperbole

royal swan
hybrid totem
#

I think it's funny that I'm in the top .3% of roadkillers

placid oxide
radiant prism
#

I've never gotten more than 5, and I can count the amount of times I've gotten 5 kills in one burst on one hand.

placid oxide
copper ice
#

have you tried firing at the enemy

spiral folio
#

I once got a double kill with a lis rocket

radiant prism
hybrid totem
#

Uh, they're called magazines

radiant prism
#

If we went off my clips, I'd be a god tier player that hits the craziest clips 24/7

#

when I just don't

placid oxide
copper ice
#

the number of clips correlates to it being reproducible

placid oxide
copper ice
#

the more something gets recorded the more it happens

placid oxide
#

I’ll make an exception for you

radiant prism
#

It gets clipped because its rare

#

Once again

#

I've gotten Zain to T1 and think he's crazy strong

placid oxide
acoustic seal
#

it gets clipped because it's stupid and shouldn't be happening

radiant prism
#

but 5+ multikills are the exception, not the regular

copper ice
#

the average player doesn't get multikills so they clip them whenever they happen, which happens to be consistently with zain, because airburst is nuts

main orchid
#

Why cant i find not one rush xl match

spiral folio
#

You'd have a lot of trouble cramming 5 people in the blast radius of a zain popper

copper ice
#

not really

radiant prism
#

I see nothing wrong with multikills being possible through using a gadget properly against inattentive enemies

placid oxide
copper ice
#

the aoe is huge and the minimum damage is still 3hk

radiant prism
#

Because once again

#

literally just move

spiral folio
#

Like what a CF of people all NtB hiding behind one divider...

radiant prism
#

People in this game just haven't heard of spacing

copper ice
#

like ive said before, the aoe is so large and the minimum damage so high that people usually die even if they immediately react after the first shot

acoustic seal
royal swan
#

The rate of fire on Zain is slow enough that the victim can indeed just move

radiant prism
#

It fires so fucking slow

copper ice
#

you can still get killed by the two follow ups even if you react immediately

copper ice
radiant prism
#

can, if you're stupid.

copper ice
#

What happened to no hyperbole

spiral folio
#

If your face is over somebody elses shoulder...probably too close

royal swan
#

It's a skill issue for not moving, you have the reaction time to move

spiral folio
#

Like if you're seeking cover and you have to hold your arms to the side to fit... maybe bad idea

radiant prism
#

Definitions of slow aside, there's still plenty of time to react

copper ice
#

its 3 shots within a second and a half

spiral folio
#

I'm never within 100m of an ally let alone a zain so this doesnt effect me

royal swan
#

Apparently some people just have the reaction time of a PLANT

radiant prism
#

If you can't react within a second and a half I think I just feel bad for you

copper ice
#

the first shot isnt noticed until it blows up so that thirds the amount of time to react to it

acoustic seal
radiant prism
#

No it doesn't

copper ice
#

i have been in multiple scenarios where ive already been moving for other reasons when the first burst hits me and i still get hit by all 3

royal swan
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this is getting more delusional the more it goes on

radiant prism
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As dumb as the SPH is, oh fuckin well

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unlucky deaths happen

royal swan
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When I get stuck with the SPH I go, oh well, lucky shot, and I DEAL WITH IT

copper ice
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the minimum damage of the airburst shouldnt be 3hk

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not really lucky when its pinpoint accurate

radiant prism
copper ice
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sph is very easy to use

radiant prism
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damn still unpopular opinion hour

royal swan
spiral folio
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I dunno the radius but its a pretty small bomb way smaller than a grenade

radiant prism
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yeah but there's two of them

royal swan
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If you hate the SPH, play dozer, pretty simple

radiant prism
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SPH definitely needs a nerf

copper ice
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its smaller now it got nerfed but it blows up way faster than a frag

radiant prism
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yea

copper ice
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and two in quick succession

radiant prism
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I think the main fix it needs it less range

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More drop

copper ice
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the rof on it is really high

radiant prism
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Thats the big problem we have

spiral folio
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You cant cook grenades in this can you

royal swan
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Make it like a nade launcher yes

acoustic seal
copper ice
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the real answer is more irish spam

radiant prism
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I said it as a joke

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Even though its true

copper ice
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because good game design is making aps exist and doing nothing else

royal swan
copper ice
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simply take rao and disable their gadget usage

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wait no he cant even do that can he

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sorry i forgot how shit he was

radiant prism
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man you know what I miss

spiral folio
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Hes a recon saying hes shit is redundant

radiant prism
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being able to talk about anything besides the SPH and Zain

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because its all you two EVER talk about

copper ice
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i talk about irish more than those two

radiant prism
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like holy fuck deal with it

copper ice
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way more!

spiral folio
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Ive seen a massive drop in spawn beacons since they made em recon exclusive

copper ice
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you just get irritated by this more because you use it more than vehicles so you take it personally

radiant prism
copper ice
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beacons are getting used more often but breaking more often

spiral folio
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Still see em, just less

copper ice
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no more beacons hidden in bushes all round etc

radiant prism
copper ice
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lots of people dont know beacons break so they slap them down once miles away from fights and then forget it exists

acoustic seal
copper ice
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just deal with it bro

spiral folio
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I once saw like 4 beacons behind a barricade shot 3 at once

copper ice
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idk why people complaining about other people complaining say just deal with it

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like why not follow your own advice

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perhaps thats the logic it takes to play 2042

radiant prism
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because unlike you two, talking about it here is actually gonna do something

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And no one else is saying it

copper ice
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make us more annoying?

radiant prism
copper ice
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i dont think complaining about balance in 2042 has any impact on them making the game worse, they're doing that well enough by themselves

hybrid totem
copper ice
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im not sure telling someone to just deal with it has done anything other than make them more annoying, like, ever

radiant prism
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I think the thing that actually annoys me is that you two talk about it like its some profound thing

spiral folio
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I hate having myself show up as a repair source for tanks cause then the morons snipe next to me

copper ice
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not a very hard counter to annoying complaints im afraid

spiral folio
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Id 200% ditch it

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For anything

hybrid totem
radiant prism
copper ice
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press the teamwork button znath

acoustic seal
hybrid totem
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let me rephrase. Something tells me we'd enjoy playing together

copper ice
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while our complaints have no effect on anything dice do to the game

radiant prism
copper ice
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apart from when totalfps replied to me complaining to confirm they needed more time to balance APS because a year wasn't enough

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that was great

acoustic seal
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it was complained about for MONTHS at launch before all the half decent players left the game

arctic grove
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Nerf advancys and scar

radiant prism
copper ice
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it was a thousand times worse during bfv

radiant prism
royal swan
copper ice
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im actually kind of surprised the amount of people talking in here consistently is so low

radiant prism
acoustic seal
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"it was fixed" when? point to it

royal swan
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The only input issues I see is the auto nade throw not being instant

acoustic seal
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because it's still happening

copper ice
hybrid totem
copper ice