battlefield-2042

[fervent rose]

cosmetic wise. but theres a LOT to buy

[finite whale]

are the monetized stuffs strictly cosmetics like in valorant? or is it weapons with better spread or attachments?

[lone wren]

[remote kiln]

yes

[fervent rose]

yes all cosmetic

[finite whale]

Phew

kk

[remote kiln]

theres no advantage for purchases

[finite whale]

do you ea. i just won't buy them

[fervent rose]

not exactly true

[finite whale]

oh no

[fervent rose]

they sell battlepass skips and the bp always has an op gun or two

but like i said seasonal content is over in 6 months

[remote kiln]

dude thats in the free track

[lone wren]

I don't feed the ea anymore

[fervent rose]

skips

please read what i said

skips allow for problematic interactions where payers have advantages

[finite whale]

oh i guess it's a time limited grind. kk. so not quite like the old days where you can miss nothing.

[fervent rose]

its not a HUGE problem, but its dumb

[remote kiln]

least of the potential problems

[finite whale]

kk sounds fair.

[radiant prism]

Yeah but that’s not the same as a straight up paywall

[fervent rose]

like if you are playing with an AK24 right now you are going to get clowned on in duels vs rm68 users

[finite whale]

I just noticed battlepass after a match and was like "oh no."

[fervent rose]

rm68 is not balanced

[radiant prism]

It’s getting nerfed

This week

It’s getting an extra BTK I think

[finite whale]

do they do this on purpose (release op weapons while people will buy / grind for them, then pull back?)

[radiant prism]

No

[remote kiln]

no

[fervent rose]

what do you think

[finite whale]

kk

[finite whale]

i've played riot games. don't know what to thin

k

[radiant prism]

I mean if you wanna spin it that way go for it but it’s clearly not the intent

Unlike a certain other FPS out right now

[finite whale]

as long as they fix stuff like that quick we gud

[radiant prism]

I mean they nerfed the SPH last week and the RM is getting nerfed this week

[severe igloo]

I have played 3 matches, and still the Tor is locked, while I have met the requirements. Where do I report this issue?

[remote kiln]

the RM nerf better not be significant

[radiant prism]

Alongside a RPT-31 buff ;)

[finite whale]

sigh; i'm trying to give battlefield a chance, but it seems like every release, it's like a year until the game's stable enough to play. this time there's so much around to take my attention away.

[radiant prism]

It’s I think one more BTK

[finite whale]

(i remember battlefield 4 launch omfg)

[remote kiln]

meh thats fine

[fervent rose]

its definitely at the "stable" point

but the content is lacking. maps in particular

[finite whale]

yah; i noticed this season it's way faster and way less buggy

almost playable.

[severe igloo]

Where do I report bugs in bf 2042

[finite whale]

but the maps are GIGANTIC

[copper ice]

too big

[fervent rose]

they make hamada look sensible

[radiant prism]

At least they’ve been cutting down on it recently

[remote kiln]

!!support

[tender pendant]

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[copper ice]

I never thought id miss fucking hamada

[severe igloo]

Thank you

[radiant prism]

Breakaway went from mostly dead space to a pretty nice map

[finite whale]

my advice to dice. make norshar canals tdm an official game mode.

[remote kiln]

its in portal

[copper ice]

idk, breakaway bt got significantly worse imo

[finite whale]

yo. may give it a shot for the memories.

[radiant prism]

I like it way better personally

[fervent rose]

it was basically a 0 though

awful old breakthrough layout

[copper ice]

defence is a nightmare

constant vehicle bombardment

not that that doesn't apply to all BT maps, but breakaway consistently gives them the high ground

[radiant prism]

I mean it’s battlefield, I feel like vehicles should be expected

As should large maps IMO

But I admit I’m a bit of a hardliner there

[acoustic seal]

your wish has been granted, the maps are large AND empty

[radiant prism]

Wouldn’t say empty

Not anymore

[eager spire]

Vehicles should be expected but vehicles should also be designed properly with effective ways to deal with them

[finite whale]

sigh; i've always been an infantry player and I've played battlefield since 2

[radiant prism]

I mean I’m an infantry player too

[eager spire]

I feel like that's not an unfair expectation of DICE

But then again maybe it is because DICE failed to give tanks APS for over a year.

[radiant prism]

I don’t disagree

[copper ice]

I have no issue with vehicles if there are countermeasures

[finite whale]

there could be 100 tanks at spawn, and I'd still run across the map and complain that they're too big lol

[radiant prism]

Man crazy it’s almost like everyone bitched about classes for a year and now that they actually exist no one wants to actually use them

Vehicles are usually only really a problem when no one does anything about them

Which is frequent

[finite whale]

classic bf players wanted classes back, but they jumped ship because the game was such a mess. makes sense.

[radiant prism]

That’s…not at all what happened, but ok.

If that’s the narrative you wanna go with I won’t stop you

Problem is people just don’t use AT weapons at the end of the day

The people that do use the Javelin which is just shit

Because lock on AT weapons are a waste of time

A Recoilless will do the same job with half the effort and twice the speed

[finite whale]

I mean it's where I landed. I'm just now caring even a bit about the game. It was so horrible bugged, and the operators made so little sense, I stopped playing while the beta was free on EA play.

[radiant prism]

I mean if you completely disconnected from the game before it even launched that’s not my problem

[eager spire]

I mean the only Engineer character people played after the Classes update was Lis and that's because all the launchers including hers got an incredibly unnecessary buff under the assumption that less launchers = should be more powerful

And Lis basically looked at most of the air vehicles and was like "fuck you, you don't get to play the game anymore."

[radiant prism]

And now they’ve changed that

Quite effectively

[eager spire]

yeah only after people complained for ages.

Except now there's no effective AA because they've failed to create some.

[radiant prism]

Ages? It was like a few weeks lol

[eager spire]

I mean Lis was always a problem on a conceptual level.

[radiant prism]

sigh

[radiant prism]

And yet people still complain about vehicles being too strong.

[finite whale]

I gotta say that part of the problem for me is content creators. Was kinda disappointing seeing them use kid gloves with EA when the game was absolutely bugged. When I tried it after watching a few Levelcap videos where he described it as not so bad, I was like ... ... ... I'm out.

[eager spire]

Likely due to lackluster anti-vehicle gadgets and also the fact that Irish counters like, most of them.

[radiant prism]

This is why I tell people not to listen to them. The only way you’re gonna be able to tell if you truly like a game is playing it and deciding for yourself

Make your own opinions, don’t reshape others

[finite whale]

this. gotta say that right now, the game's like 10000% better than at launch.

[radiant prism]

AT gadgets are fine, the recoilless is easier than ever to use. Once again, locking them to certain operators made it so that no one wanted to use them

Lis cant, because TGM-84, and people don’t like Crawford or Boris

Even though they’re fine as operators

[eager spire]

I've only ever seen the Recoilless effectively used against infantry.

[slow tulip]

Seems like Hazard Zone is dying

[eager spire]

Hazard Zone has been dead for ages

[radiant prism]

Personal experience I presume

Don’t tell me what you’ve only ever seen unless you’re playing the game now

[slow tulip]

BF2042 doesn't have a manual server selection unlike the previous battlefield games

[radiant prism]

I haven’t forgotten

[eager spire]

yeah it's never had that

unless you count portal but that would imply it actually has servers you'd wanna join

[slow tulip]

I can't get into matches at certain times and in certain locations

[radiant prism]

Is crossplay on or off?

[slow tulip]

Takes forever or just end up with bots

[slow tulip]

On

[radiant prism]

Weird

I almost never have that problem

[shell ermine]

10,000 x 0 = 0

[radiant prism]

Funny.

[finite whale]

it's still no battlefield 4

[slow tulip]

I travel between countries so sometimes it's a problem

[eager spire]

that's not hard considering the game launched in a state of Literally Nothing Working Properly

Where as now it's in a state of Some Things Work Properly

[finite whale]

am i remembering correctly that hovercraft were driving up buildings

[slow tulip]

The only way to get into a match is through VPN at certain times

[eager spire]

yes

that was a thing

[radiant prism]

Dunno why we’re saying that, I haven’t encountered a major frequent bug in months

[finite whale]

omfg, i thought i misremembered

[radiant prism]

Then again I guess you wouldn’t know

[finite whale]

only thing making me no lmao at that is the state of bf4 at launch. it was so bad, but it turned out amazing.

[shell ermine]

Its funny how the two great modern Battlefield games, BF4 and BFV both launched in bad states but ended up fantastic (partly because the core stuff to be great BFs was there at launch) but the one recent BF game that launched in a decent state turned out to be a really bad BF game, BF1.

And you have 2042 which both launched bad and lacked the core BF mechanics.

[finite whale]

I have hope

[eager spire]

I donno about BFV being a great modern BF game

[radiant prism]

Agreed

[eager spire]

like i guess it's technically better than BF1

but it being a great BF game?

ehhh

[shell ermine]

Best Frostbite Battlefield yes

[finite whale]

sigh, bf1 lost me because of the no weapons (compared to modern combat games)

[eager spire]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[shell ermine]

Previous title holder was Battlefield 1943

[eager spire]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[radiant prism]

While I love it personally it was messed up for a long time

[shell ermine]

I got a thing for WW2

[drowsy shuttle]

Macarenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[finite whale]

but levelution

[radiant prism]

It’s only great by its current stage

[eager spire]

ehhhhhhhhhhhh

[copper fulcrum]

A lot of things holding me back from playing Battlefield V, one being that it's quite restrictive to play

[eager spire]

to be fair i don't think anyone who actually plays the games cares about Levolution for more than like, a couple minutes

like it's a cool thing for trailers

[shell ermine]

Shanghai was worse with the tower down

[eager spire]

and maybe neat to look at for a few seconds then it's just something that happens

[copper fulcrum]

The only positive thing that bringing the tower down did was cover the smoke in a fog

[eager spire]

bold of you to claim that Shanghai is somehow better with elevator campers on C flag

[finite whale]

tbh, i was longing for titan mode (an actual game mode where the objective changes) when they pulled levelution. they were amazing map changes, but the objective was pretty much the same, but ... it was so cool.

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah but fighting in just "rubble" is honestly a worse flag

[shell ermine]

Plus it makes the entire map smoky

[copper fulcrum]

I like the map looking smoky ngl

[eager spire]

I'd take that over having to deal with dipshits camping the elevators.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[copper fulcrum]

If every player didn't use thermals/flirs it'd be better

[shell ermine]

No wonder DICE can't figure out how to make a well loved Battlefield game. The community doesn't have a shred of consensus outside of some basic stuff

[copper fulcrum]

I mean, look at Bad Company 2, no one knows why they like it

they just do

[proud gorge]

True mostly

They listen to the community they add changes the community wanted

[eager spire]

What would you say there's a consensus on?

[proud gorge]

Then community cries and dice is left confused

[vagrant basin]

Hey sorry to interupt any discussions going, just a quick question again, can you bring all weapons/vehicles/specialists to Tier 1 in solo/co op mode or do you have to do it in an official multiplayer match?

[arctic grove]

I think that the community made it pretty clear that they want specialists gone

[copper fulcrum]

You can get all attachments but you can't do T1 in solo/co-op

[shell ermine]

Classes = Yes
Conquest = Yes
Server Browser = Yes
Squad Management = Yes

Off the top of my head

[tidal trail]

I think it's fair to say that destruction is on top of the list

[vagrant basin]

Okay, thanks. 🙂

[eager spire]

fair enough

[eager spire]

eh, destruction, i could take it or leave it

[copper fulcrum]

destruction is hard to balance

[eager spire]

to be honest i feel like it hurts map design more than helps it

[copper fulcrum]

It's cool to have but have too much then it's bullshit

[finite whale]

Commander Mode,Cross Squad comms 🙏

[copper fulcrum]

Look at Bad Company 2, as time goes on in the match the maps become worse to play on

[eager spire]

we have cross squad comms, it's called Team Chat

[finite whale]

I remember a time when squad leaders could coordinate with the commander directly via voice.

[eager spire]

i don't remember a time when anyone actually used voice chat in Battlefield.

I also don't remember a time when the leader of a squad would actually have anything useful to say.

[finite whale]

I think it all comes back to 2142 for me. It was pretty common in matches I was in .

[eager spire]

maybe it's cause i didn't play 2142.

i started this series with Bad Company 2.

[finite whale]

ah

[shell ermine]

I'm not even sure why BC2 worked. BC1 didn't that much.

[eager spire]

yeah tbh i don't see why BC2 is liked that much either.

like it was fine for the time, but past BF3 and especially BF4, I don't see any appeal in it.

[shell ermine]

Momentum for me from BF2: Modern Combat (PS2) and 1943 I think played a big part.

Waiting for the big B F 3

[arctic grove]

Yea

[finite whale]

was bc2 the one with a tonne of destruction and a sorta story? didn't play either that much.

[eager spire]

yes

[arctic grove]

This too

But I literally always type a book about that so

I’ll just reply to your message and leave it at that for now

[finite whale]

is bf2042 gonna be the start of live service? or are they planning another full game?

[arctic grove]

V was live service as well

If I am understanding you correctly

[finite whale]

just wondering if they plan on consolidating the player base or just continuing to release a new battlefield every few years and hoping for the best.

[arctic grove]

Another game is definitely also in the works tho but there’ll be nothing meaningful to show for it for at least another year or so. Like right now I’d imagine they’re still getting certain core things down

[misty halo]

https://youtu.be/bWYtCpCyhuI

[copper fulcrum]

Considering it's a AAA franchise, expect more and more to come

[misty halo]

nah

its dice

they're gonna update the game until its playable like they did with battlefront 2 and then leave it

[proud gorge]

I miss battlefront 2

[finite whale]

damn; they're so good at taking a completely broken launch and turning it around. wish they'd just give themselves more than a few years to work within the same ... everything, battlefield-wise.

[copper ice]

they need to stop fucking the launch up

[proud gorge]

They could but like they always on a scedual

[arctic grove]

EA will continue to time crunch them because they’re smoking that good shit

[proud gorge]

Quick teaser in summer then launch in the fall

[copper ice]

fucking up the launch always kills players they could have otherwise retained, which leads to the next project faster

[proud gorge]

Beta in September/October

[mental delta]

Hopefully it doesn't feature specialists at all

[arctic grove]

Agreed my brudda

[finite whale]

like the engine has gotten to the point where they could release a solid campaign in this engine as a purchase, and just keep improving multiplayer without plunging it into the puts with a new release.

[shell ermine]

The 2005 game? Yeah...

[misty halo]

lmao yeah i got 2042 right before they added the class system and i didnt realize they had been replaced with specialists i was sitting there like wtf

[mental delta]

I hope they go back to something immersive and more balanced with less cosmetics

[proud gorge]

@edgy oriole @next onyx found out Casper drone does major dmg to rangers (you can 2 shot them with EMP blast)

[proud gorge]

Nah the recent one

[fervent rose]

that would be a gigantic financial failure imo

[proud gorge]

Never played the 2005 one

[copper ice]

they'd make less money than a whole new game

it's always focused on money

[fervent rose]

aint nobody buying campaign add ons 2+ years later for 2042

[shell ermine]

The 2017 game coming after the disaster of BF1 should've been a sign that something was seriously wrong at DICE.

Its frankly a miracle BFV ended up so good

[finite whale]

I wonder how financially successful 2042 was lol.

[copper ice]

bfv was very much all over the place

[mental delta]

Lmao might have been a brutal return to reality

[fervent rose]

it probably made enough money because the marketing was actually good

[misty halo]

bf1 imo had better gameplay than bf2 i liked shooting people with that ttk more than bf2

[fervent rose]

unlike the bfv nobody buys the game meme

[finite whale]

the shit thing is they keep pouring more money into games 2y after launch because they keep rewriting everything and it ends up buggy af

[copper ice]

it just had really good concepts and some solid map design

[shell ermine]

BFV's only lacking was content. The core Battlefield experience was there and was solid

[fervent rose]

but the marketing made nobody even buy it at launch

[proud gorge]

I sorta liked BF1

[fervent rose]

they fucked it right up

[copper ice]

the only thing 2042 learned from bfv was marketing

[fervent rose]

yup

[copper fulcrum]

I enjoy BF1 more than V only because there's more shit to do in it

[copper ice]

it dropped all the good parts of bfv

[copper fulcrum]

There's like nothing to do in V lol

[copper ice]

🥹

[proud gorge]

^

[copper ice]

idk what you mean by more shit to do

[shell ermine]

Yep, SWBF 2015 had much better gunplay and movement mechanics compared to SWBF2 2017.

Ruined 2017 for me with how they messed with the gunplay

[proud gorge]

And Grand Operations

[fervent rose]

the good modes in V were all temporary

[copper ice]

build that sandbag

[misty halo]

does anyone else find it extremely annoying how the miniguns on the transport choppers do nothing but get a billion hitmarkers against ground infantry

[fervent rose]

like you cant access the fun modes in bfv today

sad state of gaming

[mental delta]

New BF game probably won't release before 2025 at least

[copper ice]

when they announced they were removing frontlines as a permanent game mode i lost my shit

[proud gorge]

2024 most likely

[arctic grove]

BF1 is only going to give you problems if you’re a seriously competitive player, besides that the experience is enjoyable

[copper ice]

that was 99% of my enjoyment

[proud gorge]

Unless dice keeps going after season 6

[copper fulcrum]

BFV has like no memorable moments you can really perform in it
2042 is the opposite with things being much more sandboxy

I don't need to do a 1 second animation where all my inputs are restricted because I wanna switch to one seat in a car

[finite whale]

like no cap, bf4 is objectively more fun than 2042. slightly improving that or making a straight remake would have been more financially viable than whatever they ended up doing, and they'd be able to move onto the next thing sooner.

but maybe it's rose coloured nostalgia speaking

[copper ice]

no memorable moments? Not sure i can agree with that

[shell ermine]

I pretty much play Conquest for 98% of my Battlefield playtime so BFV was great for me

[arctic grove]

This is probably a byproduct of how many things were animated, which I’m not opposed to personally but I’d assume that’s why you feel that way

[proud gorge]

@copper fulcrum 2042 is kinda goofy

[fervent rose]

2042 feels more "same game every round" than bfv

[copper fulcrum]

And that's a good thing, it's a video game

[proud gorge]

Ya character gets guy your about to takedown all the way up

[copper ice]

there isnt anything memorable to do in 2042 because everything is the same always

[proud gorge]

Just to do some fancy animation

[copper ice]

the rounds all feel the same and the maps all feel similar

[trim sail]

can someone help me i just buy the game playd 2h and now i cant start the game i rinstaled it rstartet the pc i dont know how i fix it

[proud gorge]

When in BFV they did not stand the guy up to murder them

[mental delta]

Idk some dude told me 2024, moreover they announced their campaign started development less than 1 year ago and MP experiences just started their preproduction

[copper ice]

same vehicles on every map doing the same things

[arctic grove]

Honestly imo battlefield 2042 should become the gta V of battlefield they make money out of transactions and keep updating the game until it dies

[copper ice]

guns are all very samey

[arctic grove]

BFV is still the most boring BF game imo 🛌💤

[fervent rose]

and the guns are way too samey

yep

[arctic grove]

That game puts me to sleep everytime

[copper fulcrum]

You are describing all of my thoughts of BFV, chunky

[arctic grove]

2042 has some fun even if the maps are shit

[proud gorge]

BFV cause the the Ghillie suit 1944 German outfit I had rocking

[arctic grove]

2042 takedowns were a mistake. The animations themselves would be fine for contextual melee animations where you’re behind an enemy player but removing all of the contextual melee kill anims was just depressing

[copper ice]

the animations in bfv were over the top yeah but i appreciated not getting instablasted by someone teleporting out of a tank when i have my rocket launcher out

[proud gorge]

BF1 for grand ops

[finite whale]

this. wouldn't even be mad if they made a platform out of this, and slowly pulled the player base up to that release.

[mental delta]

Whole game has been a crappy simulator before at least season 2 and even season 3 came out

[copper ice]

2042 has dogshit melee in general

[proud gorge]

The takedowns are disappointing

[fervent rose]

exit animations were a truly awful choice in bfv. like the attrition

[copper ice]

theyre not gonna gtav 2042 because the playerbase wont keep going up

[arctic grove]

2042 isn’t built on a foundation to allow it to have actual content put into it for any more than like MAYBE a year after Y1

So definitely not doing a GTAV lol

[fervent rose]

2042 does vehicle entry/exit much better

[proud gorge]

The blunt force one was a default takedown in BF1 and V if you had a hammer

[copper ice]

should have been on tanks but not transports imo

[fervent rose]

thats one thing they did improve on

[proud gorge]

Locked behind season 2 BP lol

[fervent rose]

i think vehicle entry/exit is genuinely perfect in 2042

[arctic grove]

I don’t think any Battlefield is perceived by EA as being worth something like 2 yrs

[finite whale]

yet they keep maintaining a player base in most past battlefields instead of doing anything to convince them to upgrade.

[fervent rose]

bf is too fast for exit animations. i want to send a jeep over a ramp and exit so i can quickscope some nerd in midair easily, not be stuck in an animation

[copper ice]

fhe thing they did that convinced me to upgrade was ruin bfv

[finite whale]

lol

[arctic grove]

I kinda feel like they should just combine the takeaways of 4, 1 and V for this reason

Like I mean the real big ones, what you almost always hear when those games are mentioned

[copper fulcrum]

It also takes away many of the memorable Battlefield moments like Jihad jeeps

[copper ice]

The ttk changes and removing frontline genuinely made me drop bfv

[copper fulcrum]

Rendezooking is impossible in V

unless you land a fucking plane

[fervent rose]

those were still doable in bfv. and you could halftrack ram underneath tanks as germany

[arctic grove]

Lmao jihad jeeps

[fervent rose]

i got so many halftrack dynamite kills on the german side

[finite whale]

I really genuinely hope their split focus isn't why each new release is so lacking.

[next gulch]

BFV was boring because of the maps, most snoozefests

[arctic grove]

I remember improvising a multi kill challenge by driving a latv4 rigged to the teeth of c5 into like 5 guys

[next gulch]

pacific maps were all golden though

[fervent rose]

the tankers never expect to die to a halftrack

[finite whale]

if they went modern combat in bfv with that engine, it would have been perfect

[copper fulcrum]

If you tell me Hamada is a good map, I'm duct taping your mouth and sending you to a mental correctional facility

[arctic grove]

I’d be down with this

[finite whale]

i totally thought that was the intent, but it was like virtually identical to bf1.

[arctic grove]

I’d never stfu about a game that’s like V but just has a modern skin. You’d all be annoyed of me

[copper ice]

ww2 worked for easier implementation of fortifications probably

[next gulch]

Hamada is a good map.........when you're in a plane

[copper ice]

hamada is the best 2042 map

its just in the wrong game

[arctic grove]

Twisted Steel 😴

[next gulch]

DICE even made Hamada the comparison map to show us how YUGE 2042 maps were

[fervent rose]

dont you put hate on twisted steel's name

[arctic grove]

I am going to base my objective opinion of Hamada off one game where my Birds Eye fov and my absolutely helpless team made me 1st on my team with 10 kills and 10 deaths where I couldn’t see enemies in rubble

[fervent rose]

grind on the bridge was the coolest shit in all of bfv

[next gulch]

twisted steel and arASS were the only 2 truly good maps

[copper ice]

64p on that tiny ass bridge

[next gulch]

in the vanilla game

[copper fulcrum]

Twisted Steel shows that you can't just put a big structure in the center and work around it for a map design

[fervent rose]

yea the conquest and breakthrough were bad

[copper ice]

you can, just not for conquest

[fervent rose]

but holy fuck grind was dope

[copper fulcrum]

Grind, a mode that existed for

A FUCKING WEEK

[arctic grove]

I can only mention aerodome on this subject and maybe it’s just in Breakthrough but ohmuhlord

[next gulch]

Bring back grind

[arctic grove]

Was not a very fun time

[copper ice]

twisted steel conquest was pretty ass and the BT was very mid with those fucking vehicles but it was legit on the other modes

[copper fulcrum]

and they completely repaired the bridge for that mode too

[copper ice]

aerodrome was a 2042 map flat out

[fervent rose]

yea explain that shit, they make the coolest version of twisted steel with custom assets

and its in the game for 4 weeks total out of the 3 years i paid attention

gj dice

[copper fulcrum]

At least grind is still technically playable in 2042

The map layouts are in the game still

[finite whale]

ea should just feed this chat into chatgpt and come out with the design for the next battlefield.

[copper fulcrum]

You just get andjuishduhgaduiwdasgduiagdw

[arctic grove]

Lmfao accurate ngl

[next gulch]

Fjell 652 is underrated though, that's a good map. Being able to bomb the whole round was fantastic

[fervent rose]

someone ban stralgarr

[copper ice]

remove jets, make helis out of paper with mini-nukes

[next gulch]

you mean promote to mod

[fervent rose]

or let me fliegerfaust him into a timeout for 2 minutes

[next gulch]

I know what people want

they want mortars

[copper ice]

fjell being pseudo-air map was agonising in conquest

i liked it in the other modes though

[fervent rose]

after fliegerfaust it became kinda cool

semi playable map

[next gulch]

JU-88 bomber before DICE nerfed it several times, was the most fun I've ever had in BF

[copper ice]

man bfv had so many maps that were ass in some modes and then great in others
2042 maps are just universally ass

[copper fulcrum]

By the way, I find it funny that 2042 has Air Superiority and V doesn't... the War that really made dogfighting a real, popular thing

[fervent rose]

first year of the game i hated fjell with all of my being

[copper ice]

this is the devil speaking

[eager spire]

BF1 had Air Superiority. I don't know why.

[next gulch]

nah bro it was amazing, especially when you could wipe the enemy team when the round began

[copper fulcrum]

BF1 air assault makes sense though

Red Baron, the London Air Raids

[eager spire]

In fact there were like 2 maps in the Apocalypse DLC that were for Air Superiority, and I've not seen a single soul ever playing that mode in my life.

[copper ice]

It was because the bfv team knew that air superiority was actually the most ass game mode in the world

[copper fulcrum]

Why not put it in a World War 1 game?

[eager spire]

well i donno why not make the WW1 game good

[copper fulcrum]

Better question, yeah

[ivory canopy]

I am quite close to T1 on the DXR tbh

[next gulch]

air superiority in BFV sounds miserable, just be turning the entire round

[eager spire]

👍

[copper fulcrum]

At least the air fighting in BF1 was actually not that bad. There were some BUSTED builds though

[eager spire]

to be fair, turning is something you do a lot in planes anyway.

[copper fulcrum]

Technically, you are always turning 100% of the time, including right now.

[next gulch]

true, but that's how all dogfights in BFV worked, you turned until the other guy just got sick of it

[arctic grove]

Too bad it was in maps no one really knew about in ww2

[pine roost]

I'm going insane

[copper ice]

i preferred that tbh

i hate doing the same famous maps in every game

[fervent rose]

bfv's air resupply thing was such a horrendous experience

[next gulch]

it was amazing at launch though

[fervent rose]

doing circles around your or their repair resupply forever

inventive

[next gulch]

instant resupply every 15 seconds or so

[copper fulcrum]

Players want the memorable scenes of World War 2, like Normandy and shit

Not a small assault on a small city block

[copper ice]

That's 4 bombs every second!

[copper ice]

I don't want these tbh they're boring

[fervent rose]

people do want the city block thing too

[copper fulcrum]

That has the power to hit 4 football fields

[copper ice]

They're in every ww2 game ever

[fervent rose]

fuckin stalingrad needed to be in bfv

[next gulch]

you mean you didn't enjoy the well known and cinematic WW2 battle of rotterdam?

[eager spire]

to be honest i want a good game but nobody ever gets anything they want anymore.

[copper ice]

I like the ww2 setting just make good maps and not cheap replications of irl scenarios

[copper fulcrum]

EAT YOUR PEA

[fervent rose]

we needed an eastern expansion with a bunch of city fighting

[eager spire]

:(

[fervent rose]

[copper ice]

you will have rotterdam and you will like it

[copper fulcrum]

Provence was only a good map because it was an urban fight with Americans and Germans

[arctic grove]

That’s something I’m particularly interested in the idea of for V, would’ve been a good opportunity

[copper ice]

look on the bright side! look at all the grand cities we have in 2042

admire the many houses we have

with stairs

and windows

breakable walls

[next gulch]

yeah the couple of skyscrapers were pretty kewl

[copper ice]

🥹

i HATE skyscrapers

[copper fulcrum]

Welcome to the modern day

[fervent rose]

welcome to bf4 map design

[copper fulcrum]

Welcome back to the stage of history

[next gulch]

DICE could massively improve Hourglass, just make every skyscraper siege of shanghai

[fervent rose]

2042 really went with bf4 map design but with 0 flow or idea

[eager spire]

To be honest skyscrapers are stupid in games because it's literally just either the top floor or the roof

there's no inbetween.

WHY MAKE THE BUILDING TALL

IF THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO INBETWEEN

JUST CUT THIS SHIT OUT OF THE FUCKING GAME

[copper fulcrum]

Hardline did this

[fervent rose]

the building has to be incredibly tall in a game with helicopters, mackay, sundance, and beacons or its not fun

[copper fulcrum]

and it was annoying

[arctic grove]

Which is why we need a purely skyscraper map which has a secret levolution that collapses it and ends the game

[dapper river]

Illegal emoji (removed due to copyright)

[eager spire]

yes, one of the few things i didn't appreciate about BFH, fortunately i don't think it happened that often.

[eager spire]

Or, consider this: They don't.

[copper ice]

the other side of this is that insanely large building in orbital

that orbital thing sucks fucking ass

its like 80 storeys

[fervent rose]

well then you get the manifest situation

[arctic grove]

I hate that building in Breakthrough

[next gulch]

only thing I appreciated about Hardline was it didn't do well so EA stopped bothering to make shitty BF spinoffs

[eager spire]

the manifest situation could've been solved by not allowing people on top of the fucking cranes

[next gulch]

too bad BF Mobile didn't make it RIP

[eager spire]

but nobody wants to hear that because WHAT ABOUT MY PLAYER FREEDOM

[arctic grove]

Actually no cause I think they changed orbitals BT layout.

Attackers used to be able to headglitch the rocket assembly building and shoot down at defenders and it was just annoying as hell

[eager spire]

What about my freedom to play a decent fucking round without rat dipshits

what about that freedom

[copper ice]

Bring back twisted steel grind but make it located entirely within the orbital superstructure

[arctic grove]

Rats don’t get very far in this game anyways

[dapper river]

Actually its about 48 stories

[arctic grove]

Just let them be, they’re easy to pick off anyways sitting on top of a crane

[copper ice]

twisted steel but vertical instead of horizontal

[shell ermine]

BFV Conquest Map Rankings:

S-Tier:
Wake Island
Iwo Jima
Pacific Storm
Provence
Arras

A-Tier:
Rotterdam
Devastation
Solomon Islands
Mercury
Al Marj (5 flag version)

B-Tier:
Panzerstorm
Al Sundan
Hamada
Twisted Steel

And then the rest

[copper ice]

i miss al soondan

[dapper river]

Cool but this is the 2042 chat 😎

[slender isle]

B TIER?!?!?

[fervent rose]

iwo s tier is maybe the funniest thing of the bunch

good laugh ty

[arctic grove]

Iwo is, interesting. I kinda don’t like it in breakthrough tho

[eager spire]

I can't speak to BFV maps. From what i've been told a lot of them are not that great

[copper ice]

people love pacific

for some reason

[fervent rose]

75% of bfv maps are meh, 25% are awesome

[copper ice]

even the meh ones normally had good layouts on other modes

[fervent rose]

yea they are miles ahead of 2042 maps

[snow badge]

Mercury in A-tier? Tf

[copper ice]

squad conquest hamada ruled because it cut out 90% if the map

[fervent rose]

even as "meh" maps for bfv

[arctic grove]

Iwo in breakthrough is fun until you get to the tank cave factory part where the Japanese get to shoot you from above that cliff and the cave entries are being stalked by MMG players

[eager spire]

I just know that BF4 has a lot of bad maps, BF3 has some decent maps but it also introduced Metro, and Hardline, I can't say much about because i've not played most of them. What i've played of it was mostly fine, the DLC maps seemed pretty neat.

[copper ice]

yeah i would literally kill for hamada in 2042 and i fucking hated hamada

[slender isle]

Hardline probably had the most consistent quality of maps

[arctic grove]

I kinda wanna play the BF3 armored kill maps ngl. They added the Stryker which is a cool vehicle, so that’s largely why

[fervent rose]

hamada would probably be even worse since helicopters

[rough lance]

How do u get 0 recoil in 2042?

[eager spire]

pull down

[dapper river]

47 wins!

[fervent rose]

i pull the mouse down at the correct pace

[rough lance]

All these youtubers get 0 recoil while I am getting an insane amount

[eager spire]

pull down.

[fervent rose]

turn "ADS FOV" on

[shell ermine]

Honestly outside of Shanghai, Paracel, Zavod, and Golmud I can't name you any BF4 launch maps

[eager spire]

also that

[arctic grove]

Check your FOV. YouTubers are usually playing on high FOV with ADS FOV enabled too

[rough lance]

I do it but it is not even close to the ones of the youtubers who Lazer people

[arctic grove]

They have muscle memory

[fervent rose]

have you considered that they are good

[arctic grove]

And you’ll eventually learn it too

[eager spire]

S Tier: Locker, Zavod, Pearl Market
A Tier: Gulf of Oman, Dawnbreaker, Flood Zone
B Tier: Operation Firestorm, Lancang Dam, Siege of Shanghai
C Tier: Propaganda, Rogue Transmission, Dragon Valley 2015
D Tier: Lumphini Garden, Sunken Dragon, Caspian Border, Operation Metro, Hainan Resort
F Tier: The Entire Naval Strike DLC, Golmud Railway, Zavod: Graveyard Shift

here's my tier list

[fervent rose]

your sens could be too fast, making it easy to over adjust. who knows

[shell ermine]

All BF youtubers play on PC too so they get the massive benefit of pixel perfect aim

[arctic grove]

Hell I feel like that’s most of em anyways. I think flood zone is a launch map too tho

Put operation firestorm in F tier

I’ll never forget that damned A10 spawn camping my team

[shell ermine]

I didn't like the North Korea DLC

[eager spire]

To be honest i think i was drunk when making this tier list

[arctic grove]

Or the frustration trying to unlock that GOL magnum

[eager spire]

because I don't know why the fuck i put Operation Firestorm or Lancang Dam in B Tier.

...actually fuck that i'm remaking this

[fervent rose]

i dare say no bf4 map is s tier in the grand scheme of bf franchise

the maps were weak overall

[shell ermine]

The best BF4 maps were the Second Assault maps (except Metro)

[slender isle]

Lancing dam, flood zone, dawnbreaker, rogue transmission

I think that’s it

[arctic grove]

I was never much of a fan of flood zone and rogue personally

[slender isle]

Locker too

How tf did you miss locker

[arctic grove]

Which is strange cause I liked golmud

[slender isle]

As a sniper I was

[arctic grove]

Same dude

[slender isle]

Golmund I despised

Like not touching that map

[arctic grove]

We need 128 Metro and Locker

I will always remember those sniper only golmud servers. Either that or screwing around in vehicles, I was decent on tanks

[eager spire]

S Tier: Operation Locker(On a decent server with Shotgun bans), Pearl Market
A Tier: Gulf of Oman, Dawnbreaker, Flood Zone
B Tier: Propaganda, Dragon Pass
C Tier: Dragon Valley 2015, Rogue Transmission, Lancang Dam
D Tier: Operation Locker(Without Shotgun bans), Sunken Dragon, Hainan Resort, Zavod(Both versions), Siege of Shanghai
F Tier: The Entire Naval Strike DLC, Golmud Railway, Lumphini Garden, Caspian Border, Operation Metro

[arctic grove]

I used to use the artillery barrage truck and people would mald and seethe and seek to destroy me

[arctic grove]

I sucked with it

[arctic grove]

Bro it was pretty easy to use tbh

Doubling as driver and gunner I never got positioning down just right

What do Ground Troops see when Rao hacks vehicles?

[eager spire]

it's painted like a soflam

[arctic grove]

Thanks!

[shell ermine]

I miss rental servers where you could set your own map rotation and still catch matchmaking blueberries if your rules were within a certain margin

[arctic grove]

Badmins were compensated by knife only servers

[eager spire]

Matchmaking sucks. I don't know how it worked in BF4, i think you had to not be running any plugins. I do know in BF1 matchmaking only worked if you had a certain number of people actively in the server.

[shell ermine]

I could avoid all of the cqb maps

[slender isle]

Most of the BF4, BF1, and BFV maps suck absolute ass

[acoustic seal]

2042 map tier list:
C - spearhead
F - the rest of them

[slender isle]

🤔🤨

[eager spire]

BF1's maps can be okay, it's just that the game sucks so it doesn't matter

You can have the best maps on earth but if the gameplay sucks it doesn't matter

[shell ermine]

Orbital, Renewal, Exposure, and Spearhead.

Solid C maps, the rest are F

[slender isle]

Russian and naval dlc have not 1 good map

[eager spire]

Of course the naval DLC doesn't have a good map

it's the fucking Naval DLC.

[copper fulcrum]

Boats are boring

no big surprise

[eager spire]

But Apocalypse does have good maps

[arctic grove]

Orbital is solid like

B tier. I only don’t like the south side of the map because the vegetation

Makes it easy to get scoped from that damn forest with all the verticality thrown in too

[eager spire]

and actually while i'm thinking about it, i might as well try and rate the Hardline maps, at least the ones that i've played.

[copper fulcrum]

One of Hardline's maps was just a cemetery iirc

[sturdy socket]

lmao

[copper fulcrum]

Fitting for a dead game

[sturdy socket]

ever game I start doing good in a vehicle it's always usurped by some guy mad he got killed by me and just hops in a tor tank with the maul and oneshots me

[clever marlin]

all right

[sturdy socket]

maul shouldn't exist or at least shouldn't oneshot shit

[clever marlin]

this is the second time since season 4s launch now that i have to uninstall and reinstall bf2042

[arctic grove]

S3 was just crutch shit being added with the rail gun and tor

At least with how they’re balanced

[acoustic seal]

exposure would be a lot better if they deleted the first BT sector and expanded the mountain complex insides

[arctic grove]

Pistol and shotgun weren’t interesting to use for me

[ivory canopy]

Crashed twice after end of match - wtf

[arctic grove]

[next gulch]

remember the desert map that had no water at all, was included in the BF1 naval DLC

and is terrible

[eager spire]

S Tier: Alcatraz, Black Friday
A Tier: Chinatown, The Docks
B Tier: Growhouse, Derailed, Everglades, Hollywood Heights
C Tier: Bank Job, Backwoods, Code Blue
D Tier: Dust Bowl, Night Job, Riptide
F Tier: Downtown, Thin Ice

[arctic grove]

This is why I hate D on Exposure conquest. The tunnel and stairway entry to it are so predictable

[eager spire]

I'll say it. I liked Alcatraz when i played it in Hardline.

[arctic grove]

Stairway is hella narrow

[eager spire]

plus the idea of a BF map taking place in a mall is neat.

[safe bramble]

i have atleast 5 instances of people going into tor tank after losing to my heli after being shit on in a stealth heli or jet

[acoustic seal]

surely you're not referring to achi baba?

[next gulch]

no I was referring to something else clearly

[arctic grove]

Achi is a weird map

[safe bramble]

one instance of that happened 5 minutes ago

the bf4 equivalent of running stinger/aa while tanking

salt vehicle

[next gulch]

Half of Achi Baba is alright, the other half(the wide open bit) is garbage. I just don't understand to this day, why that map was included in a DLC called "Turning Tides"

[echo yew]

flashpoint kinda mid

[arctic grove]

Achi is just airburst mortar simulator

Forbid you get that map in Breakthrough

[echo yew]

seems like it's the worst post launch map

[unkempt hawk]

PKP good?

[eager spire]

PKP ok

[fervent rose]

no reason to use pkp if you have the new rpt lmg

but pkp is ok ye

[unkempt hawk]

oh cool

im 1 stage away from the rpt

[fervent rose]

it needs the upgrades just fyi it feels very mid with the default setup

attachments make it really good

[shell ermine]

I completely skipped Hardline, thought it was a bad concept for a Battlefield game. Plus SWBF was right around the corner and BF4 was still getting content

[unkempt hawk]

yeah iron sight is annoying to use

[fervent rose]

i think they are buffing the default rpt ammo this week

less of a painful grind

[karmic egret]

man is DICE working on some ui changes in the map menu cuz i keep clicking on the wrong thing instead of clicking on the thing I want

[shell ermine]

2042 is awful about having usable ironsights

[arctic grove]

Iron sights in general tend to suck in games and I have no clue why

[fervent rose]

well you lose sight of your target with how most of them are designed

its not a good feeling compared to the red dots

[arctic grove]

True, I wish they’d appear smaller on screen

I really like playing marksman rifle is this game but they are so bad compared to pretty much any other guns

Use the SVK

Trust me

Right now I just started playing so Im only level 11 so I havent unlocked it yet was mainly basing this on the first marksman rifle being very bad in terms of ttk

So the SVK is good?

[fervent rose]

dm7 is very mediocre

svk and bsvm are good

vcar is aight too

[arctic grove]

Great thanks! Honestly marksman rifle are so fun I dont have nearly as much fun with other guns tbh

[fervent rose]

i dont really have any experience with the two vault ones idk if they are good

[arctic grove]

Oh ye BSV for sure is also good

[small shoal]

idk if its a normal thing but there has been two matches where point blank shooting someone in the back and the player didnt take any damage, and just now played a match where i died to an invisible player. i watched him take out our whole squad and no one could see him. Bugs or hacks?

[oak sequoia]

anyone manage to fix the game not launching via steam? still havent been able to play today...

[slender isle]

How dare you diss downtown

[oak sequoia]

updated EA app, validated files, running as admin, game still wont launch

[slender isle]

Laucnh it from EA app. Or, close EA from task manager

that how I fix it

[arctic grove]

Tsardom of Bulgaria

[eager spire]

Downtown is that low for one simple reason: C Flag.

[slender isle]

😡

[oak sequoia]

wont launch from EA app for me, i press play and it says launching game... and then nothing happens

[slender isle]

So Force quit EA App in task manager

[oak sequoia]

closing down EA in task manager and then launching from steam also does nothing

[eager spire]

I do not like elevator camping, and C Flag is a prime place for that to happen. I don't like Siege of Shanghai C flag for that same reason.

[slender isle]

Then open form desktop

[slender isle]

Understandable

but also, Bank is a C tier?

[eager spire]

Roof campers and the fact that i find how the Blood Money gamemode plays on that map to be lackluster.

[oak sequoia]

when i do this and launch from steam it just reopens EA app and then nothing happens

[slender isle]

Oh jeez

Open a support communication with EA on the forums, they should hhelp

[tidal trail]

You have to close steam and EA app or launch it from the folder

[oak sequoia]

so close both steam and ea app and launch from folder?

[ivory canopy]

Starting to get a bit annoyed with the game seemingly not counting stats from matches

[tidal trail]

no xp for u

[weak cloud]

Can I level up my heli in portal?

[unkempt hawk]

Sundances grenade is so funny in tight spaces

funni firecracker

[royal trail]

i just got a skin for blasco saying that i got it for getting kills with her even tho ive never used blasco

lol

[remote kiln]

rush in a nutshell

[limpid pond]

So in the recent debate about microsft acquiring Activision the Sony fan base has now called taking xbox games and making them better the "Sony effect" destiny is trending currently more now too than it ever did with microsft

With that being the case I feel this should prove Microsoft is in fact not a monopoly and inferior to Sony therefore allowing them to acquire Activision

[prisma sphinx]

Wish there was a metro map for 2042

[weak cloud]

Lightfall made me feel hollow

😦

[prisma sphinx]

After this update I kinda like the game now

[arctic grove]

Who really gives a fuck.

[limpid pond]

Idk what that means

[prisma sphinx]

It’s a filler dlc really , too bad

[limpid pond]

The entire Sony fan base

[weak cloud]

D2 expansion

It just feels like shit

[weak cloud]

Def explains it

Cant wait for root raid

[limpid pond]

It's been trending recently as Hugh quality

High?

[weak cloud]

Anyone whos played it

Says the complete opp

[prisma sphinx]

the price tag doesn’t reflect its quality 🤣

[arctic grove]

Who cares about those losers

[weak cloud]

Including me

[limpid pond]

It has a 71% positivity rate

[weak cloud]

Imagine if it had some of witch queen's polish

Just SOME

Strand is alright though

[limpid pond]

Well I don't. Just thought it was interesting to talk about

[keen sinew]

Turns out BF2042 server was dead 3 hours before because of BFV maintenance

really interesting

[weak cloud]

Hold up

Gotta ask

[limpid pond]

It makes for an interesting topic how when cod gets taken away from playstation off all a sudden ps people riot tryna claim they'll have nothing

[weak cloud]

Is there ANY way I could get attachments for my heli

In portal

[limpid pond]

I seen today that bf 2042 had 21k players on steam

That's not including consoles

[weak cloud]

ps+ has free bf2042

Living their best life

[limpid pond]

So does game pass

[keen sinew]

thats good to hear

[limpid pond]

Yeah it was interesting inlud8ng the positivity rate when up a bit

[prisma sphinx]

Yeah it did good to the game. Wish it would released like this when it did come out

[keen sinew]

maybe i can play bf at 9am JST

[weak cloud]

But its not free.99

[keen sinew]

or KST whatever

[weak cloud]

Sadly

[placid echo]

I don't pay for Game Pass, technically

[limpid pond]

It's free on gamepass. Game pass is paid like ps+

[weak cloud]

True

[prisma sphinx]

Neither PS plus , both are subscription based services so

[weak cloud]

Yeah my bad

Forgot that PS+ was for

Paied

[prisma sphinx]

Hope Nintendo won’t include any subscriptions like this 2

[limpid pond]

Yeah

[placid echo]

I just do a little bit of Microsoft Rewards everyday and it autorenews my Game Pass Ultimate for me

[prisma sphinx]

I don’t want to pay for another subscription 🤣🤣🤣

[placid echo]

So I don't pay for Game Pass or pay for Xbox Online

[limpid pond]

Back when I bought a ps5 I bought a yearly subscription of ps+ premium cause it was on sale at Sam's club for 59.99

[prisma sphinx]

Where are you from?? In my country rewards aren’t available sadly

[limpid pond]

I then sold the console a month later due to not gaming and then another month went by and I bought a xbox cause no ps stock

[placid echo]

United States

[prisma sphinx]

Ahh I see

[weak cloud]

what

[limpid pond]

Microsft rewards top tier

[prisma sphinx]

Too bad we don’t have Microsoft rewards here

[limpid pond]

I got 62k points rn

[weak cloud]

I had no idea that was a thing you could do

[limpid pond]

Currently on a 34 week streak

And a 179 day streak

[weak cloud]

God damn

[limpid pond]

It's simple you could do it on your phone too

[prisma sphinx]

At least we have PS plus stars here but it’s not the same level as MS rewards sadly

[vestal pawn]

can anyone explain why im only ever getting put on the US team??

[placid echo]

If you flip a coin again and again...

[limpid pond]

You get 100 points for searchs on the mobile app and points for dailys

[weak cloud]

On solo conq?]

[limpid pond]

You also get like little quests on the mobile app

[vestal pawn]

yeah

[weak cloud]

Nothing you can really do

[placid echo]

Doing these things every day is pretty easy

[vestal pawn]

its so stupid bruh

[placid echo]

All of that is almost 200 points

[limpid pond]

Did you download the mobile app?

[placid echo]

Yeah

[weak cloud]

I fucking hate it too

[keen sinew]

jesus

[placid echo]

I play one round of Jewel a day :v

[keen sinew]

its like season pass of xbox

[vestal pawn]

is it possible to get on russia at all

[keen sinew]

keep matchmaking

[vestal pawn]

like by queing and then leaving queue

okay

[keen sinew]

thats unfortunate

[prisma sphinx]

Yes I have been on RU team 3 times in a row in Soloq

[placid echo]

Don't gotta pay a dime for Game Pass or Xbox Live

[prisma sphinx]

That’s nice

[weak cloud]

Damn

Thats nice

[vestal pawn]

i see

ive been queing and canceling it for like 15 minutes only getting usa

[placid echo]

Do you mean the AI Battles mode?

[ebon pilot]

when did they update the menu voice lines for sundance

[placid echo]

4.0

[ebon pilot]

knew it

[vestal pawn]

yeah

[placid echo]

Yeah the map determines what team you'll be on

[keen sinew]

Oh you mean AI

[vestal pawn]

oh shit

what map has russia

[placid echo]

I don't remember all of them but I think Kaleidoscope does

[proud gorge]

You play as Russia on Kaleidoscope

[placid echo]

Orbital might too. I don't really play that mode I don't remember

[vestal pawn]

oh okay bet

[prisma sphinx]

Exposure

[ivory canopy]

92 to go on the DXR-1 to T1 it

[vestal pawn]

bet

[proud gorge]

It mean

It can work

[mental delta]

You broke your game Deco bravo

[proud gorge]

@mental delta if you are educated what’s 9+10

[mental delta]

I would say something equal or superior to 15 ?

[proud gorge]

Twenty one (funny old meme)

[keen sinew]

good luck with backfire on that thing

[eager spire]

hmmm

[slender isle]

"Neutralize or capture flags on flashpoint" 😐

This map plays just like ass on 64p

[remote kiln]

still got it

[eager spire]

well yeah i'd like to know what other options there are

[arctic grove]

Does portal affect stats and kd and that type of stuff?

[mental delta]

Your game runs in ultra or high ?

[remote kiln]

ultra/high

[mental delta]

Ha I see

[arctic grove]

Does portal affect stats and kd and that type of stuff?

[slender isle]

Imagine designing a map around 128p then thinking it'd work as 64p with 900 vehicles

great game design

[mental delta]

Depends

[eager spire]

ah so the other option is to leave the game, fair enough

[slender isle]

Yep. it'd be an easy thing on the other maps, but flashpoint you have 3 heavy vehicles up your ass within 6 seconds of spawning in, then you have 2 helis and a jet that just love to take out infantry

Don't forget the jeeps and hovercrafts that sit on top of hills with 30mm

[remote kiln]

skill issue

[acoustic seal]

i like the part of flashpoint where the attackers get to sit on flank hills that are out of bounds for defenders

[slender isle]

Flashpoint is basically, "Unless you have C5 or a sniper, good luck having fun"

SMGs = useless

on a close quarters map...

tf is up with that

[mental delta]

I still think a lot of maps should have never gotten any air vehicles

[slender isle]

Spearhead, stranded, and flashpoint

easy

no air vehicles and boom, a 10x better map

[ivory canopy]

Stranded feels very cramped for jets

[acoustic seal]

no air vehicles and boom, a 10x better map game

[ivory canopy]

Can't have this game w/o vehicles with maps of this size

[mental delta]

Air vehicles on Spearhead are either useless or a nightmare for people on the ground

[slender isle]

I mainly refer to the fact the air transports just make front lines non existent in maps like these

"Oh you just captured 3 objs and are halfway in the map, wrong, you're being backcapped"

[mental delta]

You mean the tiny versions of AC-130 gunships which were made to transport 6 people but who can instead destroy the whole map ?

[slender isle]

Correct

[slender isle]

That's why you get more light transport vehicles but less air vehicles

[mental delta]

Transport vehicles in this game are a joke, they should have made normal transport like UH-60 or things like this

[slender isle]

I would've been fine if we just got a futuristic black hawk

I mean, transports would not be as bad if they just removed all the explosive capabilities on it

[mental delta]

Me too

The explosive is shit

And it doesn't make sense

[slender isle]

Mini guns = oh no I'm getting shot at
explosives = Oh- and I'm dead

[mental delta]

Lmao

Basically yeah

Ground transports shouldn't have any too

Like a 50mm on a jeep is certainly not a good idea

[slender isle]

Mav is fine I reckon, maybe a mortar nerf but outside of that it's fine. Jeep and craft don't need them

[mental delta]

Yup

[slender isle]

I think they initially did that so they were at the same level as the Bolt

[mental delta]

But jeep is shit as well

Like WTF is that turret lol

[fervent rose]

i hate the mav on rush

mav is wack on that mode

[mental delta]

Ho bolte...

[slender isle]

Rush with a MAV is kinda stupid

Breakthrough on stranded is the best breakthrough just due to the lack of vehicles

[oak sequoia]

anyone else on steam still not able to launch game?

[limpid pond]

Did yall know that 68% of the children killed in American alcohol related crashes were in the same car as impaired drivers

That's why alcohol is bad don't drink it

If you do call a cab

[hybrid totem]

Sounds like an anti driving campaign

[limpid pond]

Nope

Just don't drive

And drink

Together of course

[hybrid totem]

Or an anti children campaign

[limpid pond]

That'd be a Trojan commercial

[slender isle]

Or any commercial with kids

[limpid pond]

That's true too

My point is don't drink and drive it's bad for you and others

[slender isle]

I’ll keep my drinking and driving to F1 22

[tepid agate]

Something wrong with severs flashpoint can't fill up

?

Left it late to do weekly missions

[slender isle]

What’re you trying to do? If it’s the cap the flag, do it in an empty portal server

[tepid agate]

Just work through weekly missions

Usually I just select first thing on the menu but it can't fill

[slender isle]

Try the season breakthrough

Flashpoint on 64p sucks so I found people don’t play it

[tepid agate]

Ok I'll try breakthrough

Well seasons break through crashing on the loading screen

If I can't get weekly done I'll just use my boins as I have never spent them before

Just use it for progression

[eager spire]

any particular reason you’re mentioning this?

[slender isle]

Save them for S5 BP

[tepid agate]

Is that the final season or have the confirmed it's going past season5?

[eager spire]

It has not been confirmed

[tepid agate]

Ok I'm into normal breakthrough can try now

[slender isle]

Well it’s not confirmed but DICE said during S1/2 that they wanna support this game for years

[hybrid totem]

2 is multiple

[tepid agate]

Wth now progression isn't counting everything I do

Does it have to be on flashpoints?

[slender isle]

No, only the final mission does I think

[slender isle]

But they also said after the S4 they want to continue supporting the gam

EA also stated prior to 2042s release they want to move the Bf schedule to 3 year + release cycle

[limpid pond]

Just because drinking and driving is bad is all. Just a simple point out to stay safe out there and watch out for others drinking and driving

[eager spire]

fair enough

[copper ice]

this was before they fucked up really bad with 2042

[slender isle]

Well they’re still in pre production so unless dev time is gonna be 12 months it’s 3 year release

[balmy cloud]

people are probably going to be very cautious of the next BF title

[arctic grove]

We will. Most casual people will not

[balmy cloud]

No, even casuals

BF2042 received crazy amounts of backlash

its still mostly negative on steam

[slender isle]

Well if they can actually support a game all the way through to where it has everything we’d want, then I wouldn’t be cautious.

[copper ice]

swbf2 fucked up, bfv fucked up, and 2042 still got insane results

[arctic grove]

^

It will literally never change

at least for a while

[copper ice]

If they market it it will sell

[balmy cloud]

Not sure about insane

[copper ice]

the average person just buys shit

[balmy cloud]

The playerbase isnt that great

[ivory canopy]

It comes down to the appalling state of the game it was in at launch

[balmy cloud]

The initial sales, yes

But the sustained playerbase is pretty bad

[ivory canopy]

First impressions are huge

[copper ice]

the initial sales are the issue

[balmy cloud]

not necessarily

yes, it sold a lot on launch

but did it make the microtransaction amount that EA wanted?

[copper ice]

and it shouldnt have done

[balmy cloud]

not really

and its because sustained playerbase wasnt that great

it wasnt an insane result

[slender isle]

Probably, I know 6 people who have bought literally everything 😳😳

[copper ice]

not saying in terms of what ea want, saying in terms of players just buying shit

[copper ice]

my condolences

[arctic grove]

I believe EA may have made a comment that 2042 failed to reach their expectations at some point

[balmy cloud]

right, im trying to say while the initial sales were good, the sustained microtransaction purchases were not great

the sustained sales arent really that great either

[tepid agate]

How to join a sqaud noone in my sqaud

[balmy cloud]

2042 is literally like 20 dollars atp

[arctic grove]

Really all they need is enough money off the launch sales to pay back shareholders or whatevs else, and mix it between servicing the current game + beginning development of the next one

[remote kiln]

right click your name on the squad selection, then change squad

[balmy cloud]

2042 didnt make an insane amount of money

[slender isle]

We do have to remember that 2042 dev team (and most of the other dev teams) are all switched around and different to what they were at launch

[copper ice]

bfv was half price like 2 weeks after release

[arctic grove]

Made enough

[tepid agate]

I'm on consal

[remote kiln]

then do that with controller lol

[tepid agate]

Ah done thanks

[balmy cloud]

idk about 2 weeks, but yeah it wasnt great

[tepid agate]

No right click with controllers

[balmy cloud]

it sold roughly half of what BF1 sold

[copper ice]

i remember getting it very soon after release for full half price

[slender isle]

It’ll be like x

[copper ice]

which is nuts

and it still made money

[balmy cloud]

not as much as they wanted though

[slender isle]

Then lost all its player base thanks to the ttk changes

[copper fulcrum]

I believe it's X or Y (Square or Triangle)

[balmy cloud]

they deemed both BFV and 2042 as being insufficient

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah in the scheme of Apex, FIFA and Madden

[balmy cloud]

2042 did a lot of bad word of mouth for the franchise

[balmy cloud]

No, just generally it did not reach what they wanted it to

[tepid agate]

Just want these missions out the way

Progress is working on flashpoint now

[slender isle]

Cant wait till update 5.1 with the squad changes and probably persistent servers

[copper ice]

it definitely didnt make nearly as much as it could have done

[arctic grove]

TLDR despite EA and DICEs 10+ year track record of releasing Battlefield games in broken or otherwise unpopular states, they always sell, which is relevant when the point is strictly concerning what you said about people being cautious of the next game

A marketing scheme based on nostalgia bait or “we’ve listened to your feedback” will sell

[tepid agate]

I wanna do this to go back to DMZ

[copper ice]

but enough for them to continue making new ones in atrocious conditions

[balmy cloud]

thats not the full story though

[arctic grove]

As far as how successful these games are for EA/DICE, they do the job intended

[balmy cloud]

the issue is that theyre not selling as well as they used to, BF2042 didnt really even get close to Vanguard

[copper ice]

5.1 until we get basic squad functionality, man

[tepid agate]

Just unlocked some electric pole

[balmy cloud]

theyre still selling decently, but not exactly well overall

[arctic grove]

It’s almost like CoD has been the largest selling FPS franchise for over 10 years

[copper ice]

they're still selling way better than they should be

[slender isle]

Never had got close to cod

[balmy cloud]

BF1 was decently close to IW

[copper ice]

the issue is that they're selling too much given what it actually is

[balmy cloud]

but other than that yeah

they have never been close

[slender isle]

Yeah, and remember how the public perception was for infinity war?

[balmy cloud]

but Vanguard was also COD's worst selling title since like IW which is why i used that

[arctic grove]

Ah gotcha

[balmy cloud]

as an example

[arctic grove]

Yeah CoDs a beast in the industry tbh, but Battlefield targets a different audience anyways

More people just like CoD more

[balmy cloud]

my point is that while yes they still sell decently, but public perception is only decreasing, and the sales are also not as good as they used to be overall

[arctic grove]

That’s all, really

[slender isle]

Even a crap cod woll sell better than BF

[balmy cloud]

which could prove dangerous for the franchise

that is what i mean

[copper ice]

how many decades is it gonna take

[arctic grove]

Too many

[copper ice]

dice have consistently been shitting the bed

[balmy cloud]

public perception of 2042 is still in the gutter

and of BF as of recently overall

[copper ice]

the state of the game is still in the gutter

[slender isle]

I love how reddit has liek 30 posts a day on “is 2042 worth getting?”

[balmy cloud]

the game has gotten much better, i enjoy the game, but like first impressions are very important

[copper ice]

this is the first bf ive uninstalled for just being shit and thats a year after release

[balmy cloud]

and i dont think they can pull a cyberpunk and have perception improve dramatically

[slender isle]

PS players are loving it

[balmy cloud]

cyberpunk on release was at least a good game, but a buggy mess

BF2042 was just

[copper ice]

easier to fake it til you make it with singleplayer games

[balmy cloud]

bad on launch

all across the board

bad performance, bad map selection, bad weapon selection, bad content, slow updates

bad specialist system

[copper ice]

im not sure about cyberpunk being a good game but it had good concepts and story to carry the rest of it

[cloud agate]

Staples are u saying 2042 is still trash by

??

[balmy cloud]

no