battlefield-2042

[proven kestrel]

You’re just bad @limpid pond

[calm bison]

Yes

[viral oasis]

in time for your grandkids

[limpid pond]

No I'm better than you

[viral oasis]

they’ll play it in 2042

[proven kestrel]

I highly doubt it

[limpid pond]

I could put money on it

[calm bison]

I don’t understand how you look at maps like Orbital and Manifest, especially after their reworks, and go “nah they’re shit”

They were already good maps before the rework

They’re just better now

[inland cave]

im not really tbh, maps is sorta a clusterfuck

[proven kestrel]

Dread you couldn’t hit a broadside of a barn and you’re over here saying you’re better than me

[latent widget]

@viral oasis excuse me at that long i will have great grandkids and a family tree army

[acoustic seal]

adding sandbags didn't address the core problems of waaaay too much open space between objectives and waaaay too much verticality

[limpid pond]

My aim speaks for itself

[ebon pilot]

but verticality is cool

[calm bison]

This is the first time I’ve heard verticality be a problem in a battlefield game

[proven kestrel]

Prove it

[viral oasis]

orbital makes it into running simulator

[acoustic seal]

look at the rocket building on orbital and tell me you can check and clear all 10 floors of that

[formal imp]

I heard there is going to be an Arby’s and Battlefield collab. Is that true or is it just a rumor?

[calm bison]

What version of Orbital are you playing

[inland cave]

idk why but flashpoint just feels super messy

[viral oasis]

the same one as the other 123 players on the map

[calm bison]

I don’t need to clear all 10 floors because there are like 2 floors that people use

[proven kestrel]

Dread I hate to rain on your parade but manifest and orbital are dogshit and if you like those maps then that just means you’re bad, sorry to break it to you

[calm bison]

Then how is it a running simulator

[eager spire]

yeah but if there were anyone on any other floor you wouldn't even notice

[calm bison]

These objectives are decently spaced

[viral oasis]

just

rent a server

[viral oasis]

we’re arguing about moot points

[latent widget]

flashpoint is the correct name an amalgamation of shit a group spawn in and hordes of enemies you have to fight through

[limpid pond]

The sad part is you're talking to a controller player who doesn't use aim assist

[proven kestrel]

I highly doubt that

Controllers in general get lower recoil

[viral oasis]

flashpoint feels like a longer version of TDM LMAO

[limpid pond]

Now the excuses

[proven kestrel]

It’s been proven by Enders

[limpid pond]

I already said I'd put money on it

[kindred flint]

Controllers can crouch spam too

[acoustic seal]

lower controller recoil wouldn't be a problem if snap AA wasn't in the game

[latent widget]

Flashpoint: Breaking Bad Deal Gone Loco

[acoustic seal]

it's getting snapped and THEN deleted by controller svk that feels bad

[proven kestrel]

Exactly

[kindred flint]

unironically sighting enders

yo dawg thats some straight cringe

[calm bison]

Enders has some decent content

[eager spire]

why, it's true. it's factual information.

[calm bison]

I like his 2042 experience videos

[proven kestrel]

What’s cringe is your shitty spelling bud

[latent widget]

This is why I play on the PS6 I need the PC performance.

[calm bison]

But overall he’s sort of the Ben Shapiro of Battlefield

[limpid pond]

Enders and me already went at it

[latent widget]

But controller.

[inland cave]

i kinda like the 3rd breakthrough point

[limpid pond]

We are mutual

[inland cave]

but the last ones suck

[kindred flint]

not even ben is that much of a malding twat

[calm bison]

He can mald pretty hard

He made Diehard: Kids edition in order to own the libs

[limpid pond]

Mnk isn't hard for bf either

[acoustic seal]

dude's predicted pretty much every issue with the game on the dot and you're gonna fault him for being pissed about it?

[limpid pond]

Enders proves that

[eager spire]

imagine hating someone that gets mad at a bad game. crazy.

[proven kestrel]

Enders is right on everything about 2042 honestly there’s no denying that

[calm bison]

I’m not even that mad at him

[inland cave]

this game isnt bad though

[limpid pond]

Dudes a gobbler

[eager spire]

it's not, the gunplay is basically very easy since the recoil bug was fixed.

[calm bison]

I just find he can kinda come off as whiny

That doesn’t mean I hate him

[latent widget]

Flashpoint map is so barren desert and boring shithole, I may have seen Hank Schraders blood on the ground, when he died.

[eager spire]

they haven't addressed recoil after that, they just left it.

[acoustic seal]

i'm still waiting for input to work correctly, idk how you can say this

[limpid pond]

Exactly my point. It's not hard

[calm bison]

I thought they took significant steps to fix input delay

[proven kestrel]

The fact that you said the game isn’t bad makes me incredibly concerned for your mental health

[calm bison]

Game feels responsive on console

Like very responsive

[limpid pond]

The only maps that are trash in 2042 is hourglass and breakaway

[eager spire]

address it, but it's not fully fixed.

[calm bison]

Breakaway ain’t that bad anymore

It’s not the best

But it ain’t shit

Hourglass is arguably the worst

[limpid pond]

Breakaway imo is worse now than it was before

[calm bison]

Not even the stadium can save it

[calm bison]

How

Just how

[proven kestrel]

Sounds like you’re just bad at the map Dread

[kindred flint]

who thought giving one team massive high ground advantage with vehicles was a good idea

[proven kestrel]

Skill issue perhaps?

[calm bison]

I don’t know I never thought the height difference was too bad

[inland cave]

lmfao what? its a reasonbly enjoyable battlefield game

[limpid pond]

The only person saying skill issue is the same guy who didn't respond to my money offer

Sounds like more of a troll than a argument

[inland cave]

lmfao

nice

[proven kestrel]

are you actually fucking serious?

Oh my god

This kid is whacked

[inland cave]

damn bro

[limpid pond]

Says blasco enjoyer

[calm bison]

2042 is actual pretty decent though

[safe bramble]

only battlefield title that has the most jerky form of sensitivity known to man

[calm bison]

Got a good map pool size

[safe bramble]

2042 makes my mouse feel like it has cement

[inland cave]

it cant be healthy to go around being mad at a video game all day

[eager spire]

eh, it has a lot of significant issues with balance, and also just has a lot of bad gameplay decisions.

[calm bison]

Has a good amount of vehicles and weapons

[proven kestrel]

Dread you didn’t even mention the offer tell me what you said

So cmon big boy

[limpid pond]

50$ 1v1 bro to prove who's better

[calm bison]

Overall I’d recommend 2042 now

[acoustic seal]

the planetside defender has bizarre opinions on battlefield too, i'm shocked i say

[safe bramble]

i still wouldn't

[proven kestrel]

50$ cmon I’m not some whore

[safe bramble]

core aspects like vehicle balance and most importantly, soflam is fucked

[arctic grove]

no boats

[limpid pond]

50$ is 50$

[kindred flint]

dudes over here trying to be the discount discord version of enders ..no one cares how dissatisfied you are with the entire game

[eager spire]

i'd say it's worth like $20, or maybe trying it on Game Pass or something but i would not recommend anyone pay full price for this game.

[proven kestrel]

50$ is too low dread

[limpid pond]

Casual

[calm bison]

That still doesn’t change the fact that it still has a good amount of vehicles. My original statement isn’t wrong

[safe bramble]

$10 until they fix SERIOUSLY bad issues, like mouse inputs

[limpid pond]

This sounds about right for someone who isn't good

100% a troll

[calm bison]

Never pay full price for a game

Ever

[proven kestrel]

Increase to 200$

[safe bramble]

an fps with fucked mouse sensitivities is a joke

[arctic grove]

idk man,
no naval combat seems like a chunk of missing content

[eager spire]

fair enough yeah

Naval combat sucks ass and is boring

[calm bison]

It does suck and I do hope that DICE gets around to adding it

[eager spire]

who gives a shit if you like that go play world of ships or something.

[limpid pond]

200$ for a 1v1 when I can lose to a sfar

[calm bison]

Bad take

[limpid pond]

I'm good

[proven kestrel]

Dread you have severe brain damage if you truly believe manifest and orbital are good maps

[calm bison]

BF1 naval kicked ass

[inland cave]

yea agree on the balance stuff. but it plays very smoothly compared to other battlefield games IMO, little bit faster paced. i like the cahgnes they made

tbh

[limpid pond]

That's the casual of me saying bet 1000$

[calm bison]

I would kill to play more of it with new maps and modern equipment

[arctic grove]

why not have both titan assault and carrier assault

[acoustic seal]

it sucked shit in bf4 and it sucked shit in bf1, no point in letting them try a third time

[safe bramble]

bf2142 player spotted

[calm bison]

How did it suck in BF1

[limpid pond]

50$ is literally fair

[proven kestrel]

Dread

[limpid pond]

If it's gonna be easy accept the 50

[proven kestrel]

50$ is too fucking low do I need to spell it out for you

[limpid pond]

Free cash if you're so confident

[proven kestrel]

It’s

Too

Low

[limpid pond]

Yeah that's a troll

[fervent rose]

boats in the older games are like the flying gunships in 2042. obnoxious.

[calm bison]

Alright blasco and dread

Here’s my solution

[limpid pond]

Dudes 1Q is 10

[proven kestrel]

Okay dread

[calm bison]

You both suck

Fuck off

[eager spire]

I don't appreciate the changes they've made, i don't appreciate the forced animation after landing from a parachute, i don't appreciate the tripping animations, I don't appreciate the absolute lack of skill and effort the gunplay takes in this game, basically making it so people have to worry about getting beamed from 100 meters away, i don't appreciate the excessive explosive spam

[proven kestrel]

Drey fuck off

You ain’t in this

[acoustic seal]

big farm carriers with no counter other than hoping they're too stupid to notice you coming at them with a torpedo boat

[limpid pond]

Never heard a dude reject money who isn't even known

That's a new one

[calm bison]

BF1 had carriers?

Damn

[limpid pond]

Taking face selfies with half his face covered

[proven kestrel]

Dread all I’m saying is 50$ is too low

[limpid pond]

Nah 50% for a 1v1 in a game that's broken isn't low

[inland cave]

explosive spam was much worse in bf3 IMO

[limpid pond]

Cause if you lose you'd blame it on ping or some shit

[calm bison]

I don’t understand why the both of you are so upset over who is better

[proven kestrel]

Dread you play on roller

[calm bison]

It’s a fuckin video game

[limpid pond]

It's a broken game 50$ makes sense

[proven kestrel]

I’m sure you’d be the one bitching and moaning about ping and shit

[limpid pond]

All I've seen are excuses

[fervent rose]

holy fuck just pm each other

nobody cares

[eager spire]

Nah, BF3 didn't have people with essentially infinite explosives(zain) and everyone able to equip a grenade launcher on their gun at any time mid life

[safe bramble]

"its a video game" - a guy who never has a good opinion or take on anything

[limpid pond]

Nah im.good point was proven

[proven kestrel]

Nobody cares yoyo be quiet

[calm bison]

Alright everyone shut up. I’ll go grab the popcorn and we’ll watch Dread and Blasco fight

[inland cave]

thats true

im probably just remembering how cancer metro was

[fervent rose]

spamming a discord with some 1v1 bullshit

[eager spire]

It's worse in this game, there's just no meatgrinder maps in this game.

[fervent rose]

like holy fuck shut up

[eager spire]

If there were, nobody would be having fun.

[limpid pond]

A 1v1 chall for 200$ when the game isn't even worth 1/4th the price

[calm bison]

STARES AT BT STRANDED

[proven kestrel]

Yoyo just block us if you’re that butthurt over conversation

[calm bison]

Just move it to DMs

[fervent rose]

nah im gonna tell you to shut the fuck up

shut the fuck up

[proven kestrel]

You shut the fuck up yoyo

Annoying ass

[fervent rose]

i will if you will

[safe bramble]

dude made an alt just to feel powerful lmao

[eager spire]

you all are annoying

[calm bison]

Based

[inland cave]

idk 2042 feels like a bf game designed for 2021, fast, approachable, easy. if you want something authentic i think squad or arma are much better at filling that niche

[limpid pond]

What's your ign

[calm bison]

TBF, 2042 is arcade while Squad and ArmA fill the milsim void

[eager spire]

That's not what I want. I want a better designed game that doesn't have shit designed to appeal to people who can't aim or play video games at all.

[calm bison]

Kinda hard to compare the two

[inland cave]

i wouldnt consider squad milsim v0v arma is though

[calm bison]

Those games are fine but if you’re looking for something that’s closer to battlefield Squad and ArmA are not the places to go

[inland cave]

squad literally started as Battlefield lmfao

[long quartz]

I pray for the day when they move the trash that is the bolte to light transport so they don't waste a team's transport slot

[calm bison]

The bolte isnt actually that obnoxious anymore

Fuckin autocorrect

[arctic grove]

What is the use of ribbons exactly?

[calm bison]

Points

[eager spire]

giving you XP

that's it

[calm bison]

Show you that you played the objective

[safe bramble]

yea when is the attack heli also not gonna be shit

apache specifically

[eager spire]

what do you mean

[arctic grove]

aha I thought collecting them gives some awards i see

thanks

[safe bramble]

i mean an attack heli shouldn't take 3 strafes to kill a tank, even if you land a tow + all your rockets first pass

[limpid pond]

I asked for the ign

[calm bison]

The attack helicopters have always kinda been shit ever since the stealthy boys were added

[limpid pond]

Where he go

[safe bramble]

that's also assuming no aps

[long quartz]

There is no point in levelling up after reaching level 100

[calm bison]

Brazil

Ohio

Wyoming

Take your pick

[eager spire]

you sure there wasn't an APS near it?

[safe bramble]

nah the 2042 jets are a joke compared to 4

[safe bramble]

pretty sure, 2042 tells you if an aps blocked your projectile

[calm bison]

I was referring to the Huron and Hannibal but ok

[eager spire]

i'm pretty sure it doesn't actually

[safe bramble]

yea those are no dignity helis though

[acoustic seal]

jets were only good when you could ram them into an entire team in their spawn

[inland cave]

project reality was a battlefield mod is what i mean here

[calm bison]

Cringe opinion

Jets are actually pretty useful if you know how to use them

[safe bramble]

2042's dogfights are also the most unsatisfying thing ever

[calm bison]

Take 25mm rounds and ATGMs

[safe bramble]

4s jet fights albeit infuriating sometimes were great

and heli v heli was skill based

[calm bison]

25mm for shredding infantry and enemy air power

[acoustic seal]

atgms were removed from the game when they added the jammer

[calm bison]

ATGMs for the tanks

[safe bramble]

2042? guess your rockets and whoever has the f35 wins

[calm bison]

I literally have yet to run into a tank that stands within the jammer

Usually they just pop thermal smoke or APS and are safe for a bit

I don’t understand how the night bird has remained relevant

[long quartz]

Well the attack helis can definitely fuck a Brawler in seconds even with APS

[calm bison]

Also I feel Crawford MG is slept on now

Thing does damage to vehicles

[fringe spire]

I'm getting a recurrent crash and error, can I get some help with that ? I would post the screenshot of the error popup but idk in what channel I should put it

[calm bison]

Especially condors and hinds

[limpid pond]

Bruh he was a troll

I'm done with this chat lmao I got bamboozled

[safe bramble]

idk why i bother dogfighting in 2042

[limpid pond]

It's not worth it

[safe bramble]

when every loser is like "im losing a dogfight! activating vtol mode!"

[rocky bear]

just run

[inland cave]

isnt it amazing, we had a whole all disagreement without 1v1 challenges or personal attacks, i didnt think that was possible

lmfao

[limpid pond]

Play bf5 for dogfights

[proven kestrel]

Dread that’s not even my account dumbass

[limpid pond]

What's your ign

[proven kestrel]

Do you seriously not know how to search someone up on the tracker

[safe bramble]

not to mention AA in 2042 that scrapes you for 10 hp

in 4 that would've been 3 max

[copper ice]

barely, and it makes you a big fat target for vehicles

[hexed reef]

Anyone know if dice plan on adding settings for aircraft's that don't effect eachother ? like vehicle aiming effects both thr heli and the jet whats up either that 👏

[inland cave]

we should go back to having battle log cause that was so great for bf3

[pine roost]

nightbird can be fun, it's weapons are definitely in a better spot now, but it's mechanics heavily disincentivises flying like you would in 4. Trying to strafe side to side while maintaining shots on target is so much harder than it needs to be to the point where it's just more beneficial to let the heli auto rotate and aim that way

[proven kestrel]

I’ll show you myself you can’t be trusted to search the right thing up anyways

[safe bramble]

not to mention the horribly centered guns

shit never aims at the crosshair lmao

[limpid pond]

OK show it then

[safe bramble]

makes dogfighting in helis cancer

[pine roost]

It's strange but at least it's something you can learn to a degree

I 100% wish it was the way it was before

[safe bramble]

devs could learn to copy bf4, like the crosshair actually functions as a crosshair

[fringe spire]

Please I need help 🙏

[wanton magnet]

I thought it was just me. Shit never aims at the circle

[pine roost]

going down has the bullets fire way above the crosshair, and when strafing to the side it moves diagonally up and to the right if you are left for instance

[eager spire]

fair enough

[pine roost]

which makes no sense because if anything your momentum would have them fire to the left, so I don't get why they go right

[safe bramble]

it wouldn't make sense period, legit vehicles now a days have auto pylon

pilot would never have to compensate for that, ever

[fossil flax]

Bfv still have more players lel

[limpid pond]

Bf5 is also a 3yr + old game

[fervent rose]

not on pc lmao theres like maybe 2 servers

[safe bramble]

bf4 is a 10 year old game and still has like, 3k

[limpid pond]

Bf4 also had the worst launch out of all titles

[inland cave]

bf4 is older than i thought, fuck

[fossil flax]

Bf4 has squads and server browser and maps rather than drip content

[safe bramble]

lmao this game

another jet dogfight, guy tries to active me in 1run, missiles

[fossil flax]

Gaming has turned into an obsession over cosmetics

Caus grab

[pine roost]

server browser and squads don't make a game good if it's core isn't

[fossil flax]

Cash*

[safe bramble]

proceeds to lose to my speed control, instantly vtols

great game

[inland cave]

lots of bad games have server browsers

[fringe spire]

is there a specific channel in this server to get technical support ?

[fossil flax]

Battlepass and half asses games

[viral oasis]

what’s up

no there isn’t

just mention ur issue

[pine roost]

although it's more like the notion of having to wait more than a year to get a fundamental feature like squad management is the part that gets people

[safe bramble]

JUST SQUAD MANAGEMENT?

[viral oasis]

this this this

[fringe spire]

I have reocurring crashes with a directX error, I looked up solutions and tried to do some troubleshooting but it still hapens.

[viral oasis]

have u reverified the game files?

which windows?

[rocky bear]

more cosmetics yay

[fringe spire]

something something directX couldn't allocate memory, E_outofmemory

[fringe spire]

yes, also reinstalled twice on different drives, win10

[viral oasis]

what’s the RAM on your machine

[fringe spire]

16 gigs RAM, 8 gigs VRAM

I checked the game's system requirements when I bought it and I should be good

how do I post a screenshot in here

[limpid pond]

@proven kestrel you got the picture??

[pine roost]

It's like voice chat. Nobody uses it, but a game that emphasises squad play and teamwork lacking one on launch was a big talking point

[viral oasis]

16GB is fine

[viral oasis]

nah squad management is much more used than voip

idgaf about voip, i use it but nobody on bf does

it’s always been like that

[pine roost]

definitely. Most useful when trying to actually play with friends

[viral oasis]

that’s why pinging, squad management etc.

[pine roost]

But since none of my friends want to play, I don't really mind

[limpid pond]

Eventually he won't dodge me

[viral oasis]

non verbal comms has always been #1 priority in bf

[safe bramble]

and legit removing teamwork orientated gear in the process, like soflam

jfc

[copper ice]

lack of squad management shows that they clearly intended it to just be 128p running around like ants

fundamental design decisions

[limpid pond]

I honestly might as well wager the 200$ at this point

I got bamboozled

[fringe spire]

done, you can check dms

[shell ermine]

Honestly I've barely used voice chat since I started playing Battlefield in 2005.

[viral oasis]

Nobody uses voice chat

[shell ermine]

As long as the commo rose is good you don't need it imo

[viral oasis]

But I did used to kick and create squads with friends

and invite and lock squads

and just be on my own in before BF games

[pine roost]

yeah I use the quick comm wheel but only voice on occasion

[viral oasis]

they’ve had the logic in every bf game?

i don’t see why it’s hard

i just don’t

[pine roost]

the main reason I use it is if someone in my squad has ammo but hasn't drop it, i'll call out their name and ask for ammo

[fervent rose]

just being able to navigate out of the 3 sniper squad and find some people who are moving is what i want squad management for

the "random squad change" thing is so awful

[copper ice]

It isn't in 2042

[pine roost]

it is, it's just a bit eh

[viral oasis]

THIS

i literally said this in game today

[copper ice]

it's a direct downgrade from bfv

[viral oasis]

i can’t keep running from the edge of the map

to objectives especially when the team is shit

[shell ermine]

So is everything else in 2042

[eager spire]

i can't imagine anyone ever liked the concept of not being able to choose what squad you get put into

[copper ice]

it also has like a 5% to come up when i ping someone and thats incredibly fucking irritating

[fossil flax]

Lol

[eager spire]

Which makes the concept of them leaving that in the game for over a year very confusing.

[copper ice]

people who play battlefield dont THINK

[fossil flax]

I love watching all the 2042 players get hard farmed by heli sweats

[copper ice]

just buy skins and shoot guns

[fossil flax]

Like legit 141 - 1

Kd

[arctic grove]

i do

[eager spire]

clearly the people who make it don't think either

[copper ice]

thats because all AA in the game is dogshit

[fossil flax]

Only one kid in lobby tries to do anti air

As the helicopter farms 20 kids per minute

[pine roost]

the AA is never chosen, that's why

[copper ice]

why bother trying when you're going to get farmed either way

[fossil flax]

Yeah cause little kids with no brains

Are 90% of community

[copper ice]

you can spend a very unfun 15 minutes trying to counter heli and getting blown up or you can spend a decently unfun 15 minutes killing infantry and still getting blown up

[viral oasis]

they can kiss their income goodbye if they release the next BF broken asf

[copper ice]

people will still eat it up

[viral oasis]

Nah

I don’t think so

Not w this cost of living

nobody is spending money on shit

[copper ice]

thats exactly what people said about 2042 after bfv

[fervent rose]

all they have to do is call it Bad Company 3

millions of preorders

[eager spire]

or you can just leave

[shell ermine]

Even when you had plane farmers in BFV it didn't really disrupt the match

[viral oasis]

2042 released in 2021

[copper ice]

If i was smart enough to leave every game with a heli I would uninstall 2042

[viral oasis]

during lockdown?

i think still

[shell ermine]

I've won plenty of BFV matches with like 3 enemy pilots going 40-0+

[eager spire]

BFV didn't have helis in it

[copper ice]

The planes had to do bombing runs

[shell ermine]

Of course I've done the same...

[copper ice]

The helis can just hover and fuck you

[eager spire]

because Helicopters didn't exist in WW2

[fossil flax]

Me too

[shell ermine]

Thankfully

[pine roost]

gustav 'em

[fossil flax]

Because flieger and towable aa

Does something

[shell ermine]

One reason I hate the modern setting for Battlefield is because of helicopters

[fossil flax]

And having 1 or two platoon mates that can fly

[copper ice]

Jubba mains would kick the shit out of you but their uptime is low because they have to go regen bombs

[pine roost]

one reason I like it is because of helicopters

[fossil flax]

Can shut down most plane sweat

[copper ice]

Helis just have horrendous uptime

[fervent rose]

transport helis only work if you can shoot out all of the players

[pine roost]

just not how they've implemented them here

[eager spire]

tbh i don't know why you don't

[copper ice]

Neither do I tbh

[shell ermine]

The SPH is kinda good for this

[copper ice]

Someone asked me about 2042 today and I told them about all the poorly balanced infantry vehicle interactions and they asked me why I was even bothering to try

[fervent rose]

but how does that matter for the condor gunners for example

[viral oasis]

fuck all of this

give me squad management and fix that shitty blurry TAA

i could care less about core game me mechanics

over and done w it

it’ll never change

[arctic grove]

screw this shit

[copper ice]

when i told them irish blocked anti vehicle rockets they asked me if i was fucking with them like 5 times

[arctic grove]

give me back my commander

[viral oasis]

just give us basic features then keep the servers running

[pine roost]

It's the only fps I can think of that isn't a br that I can play right now. If I leave I'll just be stuck in the abyss without a game to play

[viral oasis]

then go and build your next broken game

[eager spire]

screw this shit. just screw this shit i'd rather just play Quake.

like not quake champions just quake

[copper ice]

tbh this is mostly it for me too

[arctic grove]

I can't find commander mode

[copper ice]

i like big things where i feel like part of a pack without having to go hardcore on comms and shit like squad

[arctic grove]

only in the ea branch, they let blind people develop games

[safe bramble]

good features are excluded from 2042

[pine roost]

and I need myself a multiplayer shooter that actually rewards my time and effort that I can feel satisfaction in learning

[viral oasis]

give me warzone resurgence back on verdansk 😂😂😂

[shell ermine]

I've been retreating into Fallout 76.

Yes I'd rather play Fallout 76 than 2042

[copper ice]

mordhau is the closest but medieval setting is pretty different to guns

[viral oasis]

EA devs should go to COD HQ for a week

[pine roost]

god no

keep them far away from cod

[limpid pond]

Yes let's make the game worse than it is

[pine roost]

don't need any of their ideas seeping any more into battlefield

[viral oasis]

no no

[arctic grove]

F it , sign me up in the military 🪖 let's go get this skin

[fervent rose]

go to mw2 headquarters to learn what not to do

[copper ice]

Is that... possible?

[viral oasis]

so they can teach the COD devs

how to do COD better

[fossil flax]

Mw2 killed 2042

[pine roost]

in THAT case, sure

[fossil flax]

Just saying

[limpid pond]

Yes if we have cod devs

[eager spire]

Imagine this game with visual recoil and slower movement.

[pine roost]

if it's the other way round

[shell ermine]

The sad part is I enjoyed Ground War in MW19 for the most part, but they completely ruined it in MW2022 by adding guess... TRANSPORT HELICOPTERS

[eager spire]

THAT WOULD BE WORSE

[fossil flax]

2042 feel floaty no weight

[fervent rose]

@fossil flax no, 2042 destroyed itself

[pine roost]

correction - mw2 killed fps gaming

[viral oasis]

yes i’m sure Activision can learn a few things from EA devs 💀💀💀

[limpid pond]

Mw2 is the worst cod done

[fervent rose]

mw2 sold because of mw19 and warzone. its a bad game

[viral oasis]

‘oh wow you did COD better than us’

[pine roost]

what have the mw2 sales numbers been like so far?

[viral oasis]

no wonder activision blew EA out of the water with their sales

[arctic grove]

do you think mw19 is still better than 2

[fossil flax]

Ground war is more fun to me than 2042

[eager spire]

it sold because people were expecting better and then it came out so everyone's just on pure copium or are youtubers that can profit off of being mad about it

[pine roost]

based on that mad launch earnings i've not heard much since

[limpid pond]

Mw19 and warzone were good. Mw2 and warzone 2 are utter trash that appeals to skillless rejects that need help further inna video game

[limpid pond]

This dude 100% camps with a sniper

[acoustic island]

Why is the flashpoint 24 7 playlist 32v32

[fossil flax]

You had me at warzone

[fossil flax]

Run and gun

[shell ermine]

Warzone 2 is more or less dead

I've never liked battle royales but they lost the magic of Warzone 1

[limpid pond]

I'd have to see proof

Won't believe it till I see it.

[fossil flax]

Proof

See it

I spelled it out

[limpid pond]

Yeah that's what I figured

Dude calls moving 10 feet to prone in a new area run and gun

[pine roost]

mw2 doesn't have run and gun, it's simply not designed for that kind of gameplay

[limpid pond]

Let me guess favorite cod is bo2

[pine roost]

basically every other cod I've seen promotes it to some degree, but now it's slowed to a literal crawl

[fossil flax]

Smg smokes dead silence

Slide on em

[limpid pond]

Yes this is cap

Sliding in this game is terri le

In mw2 I meant

[eager spire]

you can't even shoot while sliding, in fact there's a delay between you sliding and you being able to actually shoot

[limpid pond]

That's why it's bullshit

[pine roost]

it's objectively the worst implementation of sliding to date

[eager spire]

sliding mid-fight or around a corner is a death sentence.

[eager spire]

I KNOW THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING IT

[shell ermine]

Eh, I'm fine with this

I never liked the addition of sliding to FPSes

[eager spire]

of course you are.

of course you don't.

[limpid pond]

I did the little bit of smg rushing in mw2 there was and you just end up dying after 2 kills

[magic bloom]

I somehow managed to Drop A gunship cause I got a bot lobby

[shell ermine]

Slide canceling in MW19 and Vanguard was caustic bullshit

[limpid pond]

Last cod with run in gun was vanguard

[eager spire]

it added depth and some form of skill gap to those games.

[shell ermine]

No, it was basically a "buy a Scuf or use KBM and win" mechanic

[pine roost]

made them actually enjoyable to play when there's something you can learn that gives you an edge

[magic bloom]

I simply use a Shotgun

[eager spire]

maybe if you're bad

[magic bloom]

They can’t dodge a wall of lead because the spread on them is so awful

[shell ermine]

Slide canceling was damaging to regular controllers to do

[limpid pond]

I never bought a scuf

Called claw

Its also called adapt

[magic bloom]

Never saw the Point of claw

[shell ermine]

Yes, abusing a glitch in the movement engine is adapting

[eager spire]

yes.

[limpid pond]

It is

[magic bloom]

I mean they never banned it from pro league

So it probably wasn’t a glitch

[eager spire]

It's not like it prevents you from hitting someone who's doing it. It just takes more effort to do so.

[magic bloom]

Shotguns fix this issue ^

[shell ermine]

It broke hitboxes

[eager spire]

no it didn't

you were just missing.

[shell ermine]

No, it broke hitboxes

[eager spire]

no it didn't.

[limpid pond]

No it didn't

[shell ermine]

Yeah it did

[limpid pond]

It broke cameras

There's a difference

[eager spire]

no it didn't.

[clever marlin]

Please

[pine roost]

wdym by that exactly?

[limpid pond]

Cameras and hitboxes are different

[idle lion]

Unless you had some packet loss or ping

[limpid pond]

If someone slid into you you could lose track of them

[idle lion]

Then yes maybe youd hit someone but it wouldnt register

[magic bloom]

I used to love breaking peoples ankles It was epic

[eager spire]

CoD equivalent of someone breaking your ankles in basketball.

[pine roost]

well that's not something breaking in the game, that's just logic. If they zoom through you, you have to turn around

unless I am mistaken

[shell ermine]

IW doesn't know what it's doing, they fixed the movement in MW2022 but added a ton of visual recoil and released some pretty awful maps

[clever marlin]

And?

[eager spire]

they don't mean it literally, it's an expressional statement.

[magic bloom]

The visual recoil is the dumbest part of the Game These operators literally let their guns beat the shit out of them

[fervent rose]

mw2 "movement" is not fixed

[clever marlin]

Also

[fervent rose]

game is clunky

[eager spire]

MW2 movement is gimped and slow and stupid and only people who never move like it.

[clever marlin]

At least the weapons are about 90% accurate

And sound good

[eager spire]

to be frank that doesn't matter if the game plays like shit

[magic bloom]

One thing I’ll give cod is giving obscure weapons a light such as the AR57 (FSS Hurricane in mw2)

[pine roost]

With random recoil that has the same decoupled from centre system as bfV they are not accurate

[eager spire]

why would i care if the weapons are accurate and sound good if actually playing the game and interacting with them makes me wanna die?

[fervent rose]

2042's gunplay is easier than cod now honestly

since the recoil fix, its all beams

[magic bloom]

Also the one shot Head Shot Taken Away From snipers Is bullshit

[shell ermine]

Raven/IW wanted to fix slide canceling in MW19/WZ for a long time but weren't able to do so

[clever marlin]

Except the SMG situation

The problem with smgs is that they feel weak

[pine roost]

Tf? You playing gundam evolution or something?

[limpid pond]

Smgs are weak in this game

[fervent rose]

pp29 is arguably the best gun in da game

[clever marlin]

And I get why the developers wanted them to be weak

But literally

[eager spire]

well they clearly didn't know what they had. people genuinely liked the mechanic and the increase in skill gap it added to the game.

[limpid pond]

Wym

[clever marlin]

The only good smgs in the game are the ones with the fast fire rates

WITH the EXCEPTION of the PBX

[pine roost]

You are a tall lad in that clip

[safe bramble]

and extended drums

[rocky bear]

k30 supremacy

[radiant prism]

AC9 is quite good

[clever marlin]

K30 is still amazing

[radiant prism]

K30 is good

PP-2000 is underrated

[clever marlin]

The AC9 is going to get nerfed hard

[safe bramble]

smg + drum mag is the bf4 equivalent of aek and g18

[radiant prism]

AKS is decent too

[safe bramble]

honestly can't wait for it to get the liz treatment, never being touched again

[fervent rose]

mtar and am40 fit that better

[shell ermine]

It was incredibly easy to consistently slide cancel if you had a controller with back paddles, it was an abuse of a glitch that added a pay2win element to the game

[magic bloom]

The new AR Is about to be nerfed to the ground I can already see it

[limpid pond]

Ac9 supremacy

[shell ermine]

I hope to god it never comes back

[clever marlin]

The thing is we need the transport heli to take less than 4 Lis rockets to down

[magic bloom]

I don’t care if it does or doesn’t have fun slide cancelling This dragons breathe to your face

[eager spire]

except it was possible on normal controllers as well, so you're not even correct about that.

it's not a "pay to win mechanic".

[clever marlin]

The fact a transport heli has as much hp as a tank is stupid

[fervent rose]

i wish dice would look to their past games and recognize how out of place the flying tanks are in breakthrough

[magic bloom]

I miss my old transport helis where I get to Drop the Boys off and peel out of there as fast as I can

[rocky bear]

sph supremacy

[shell ermine]

It wasn't consistently performable on a regular controller without some serious contortions of your fingers that frankly wasn't physically possible for a lot of people

[magic bloom]

I did it with a regular controller

It wasn’t that hard

My friend plays on a god damn Walmart controller and can do it

[eager spire]

It shouldn't have been removed without adding something in it's place to allow a skill gap to still exist.

[shell ermine]

I guess the point is, I and people like myself won the fight.

[clever marlin]

Slide canceling is pretty easy tbh

[copper fulcrum]

I'm sure I can do it on one of these things

[magic bloom]

I just never slide cancelled cause I didn’t need it

[eager spire]

The point is that you're factually incorrect on everything you've said regarding the topic and the only reason you "won" is because IW catered heavily to shitters that hated the fact that slide cancelling existed.

[magic bloom]

If I couldnt win the gunfight by my aim alone slide cancelling wouldnt help

[clever marlin]

Also

[copper fulcrum]

How dare movement controls exist in my shooting game

[shell ermine]

I've been factually correct on everything I've said and you can't prove to me without a shadow of a doubt otherwise

[magic bloom]

The 40yo dads corner camping with lmgs Are happy which Is Good im glad they have a Game they can Play but still

[eager spire]

You can't even prove the shit you've said!

[copper fulcrum]

You can't even prove that you have shitted!

[eager spire]

You've literally just said shit with no proof!

[hexed reef]

im guilty of playing this game like its apex legends I sprint slide jump every were and I hate myself

[clever marlin]

Tbh both games have had horrible movement (hitbox) tracking over the years

[magic bloom]

If it was an exploit they would’ve banned it from use during pro league matches

That fucking simple

[clever marlin]

Literally, bf4 jumping was so broken

[eager spire]

BF4 jumping wasn't as broken as people think it is.

[clever marlin]

Eh, to a point

[pine roost]

The corner jump hitbox should have been patched, that part simply isn’t fair. But everything else is simply down to how they programmed movement

[magic bloom]

Explosive buckshot fixes any issues I had in bf4

[copper fulcrum]

The only type of jumping that was looked down upon in BF4 was the one that sorta desyncs the model and hitbox

[clever marlin]

The counter strafing was pretty abysmal

[eager spire]

airstrafing is good

[shell ermine]

You can literally go look at the Trello board for MW19 and see slide canceling being listed as a known issue

[magic bloom]

Send a screenshot rn

[hexed reef]

Is first person finishers a thing in this game ?

[clever marlin]

Slide jumping is probably my favorite thing to do in bf4

[limpid pond]

Ac9

[clever marlin]

Basically you slide then cancel by jumping in the air

[magic bloom]

Shotgun superiority.

My Boom Stick

[pine roost]

Especially when you get in your enemy’s face and just dance around them

[clever marlin]

No

[shell ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/439132278170320897/1082100420396187748/cod62.png

[clever marlin]

Shotguns are over rated

And tbh, they are pretty much only used for room clearing

[eager spire]

"fixed in a future update" lol.

[magic bloom]

Explosive buckshot absolutely fucked

[clever marlin]

Now, the 4570 on the other hand

[eager spire]

that is funny

[copper fulcrum]

also a different game lol

[clever marlin]

THAT is a skill gun

[radiant prism]

its no different than any other sniper

[pine roost]

The next card will say ‘fixed in future dlc’

[magic bloom]

You know the ultimate skill gun was the crossbow with normal bolts

[clever marlin]

Compared to the sws yes

[pine roost]

I love that thing

[clever marlin]

But it’s a high risk high reward gun

[sturdy socket]

when do the challenges for 2042 get cycled again

i wanna get the cav brawler

[radiant prism]

tuesday

[magic bloom]

It’s amazing

[sturdy socket]

fuck

[magic bloom]

It’s my new favorite vehicle

[clever marlin]

It is a good vehicle

[eager spire]

Just tried to check that claim

Hmmm

[remote kiln]

immovable objects

[magic bloom]

The MAV got fucking replaced instantly

[clever marlin]

Also I didn’t realize the RM68 was at lvl 40

[eager spire]

Literally cannot see the MW19 trello because it's a private workspace

so I can't possibly know if you're lying or not

[magic bloom]

The RM68 is gonna get cucked in in a few weeks

Gonna get nerfed to the floor

[clever marlin]

There’s some spots on stranded that are like this

[shell ermine]

It was open when the game was new, when I saved that screenshot

[clever marlin]

No because it’s a 6.8mm round

Of course it’s gonna hit hard

Besides I usually run the sfar with a silencer

[magic bloom]

They don’t care

I think it’s Fine the way it Is with it’s low cap mags

[shell ermine]

Raven wanted it gone for a while
https://twitter.com/JustTeddii/status/1520964497413795845?t=RDZO71FlOBhEnHMR5qxhXw&s=19

[eager spire]

right, but your screenshot claims it was fixed in a future update. Evidently that never happened, now I wonder why that would've been.

[clever marlin]

I so checked the stats of the rpt

It looks… alright

[radiant prism]

The RPT is quite fun to use

[clever marlin]

It looks like a worse LCMG

but that’s not a bad thing

I should add

[radiant prism]

Its good at range

[clever marlin]

I’m guessing the recoils not too bad

[radiant prism]

Yeah its decently light

[proud gorge]

almost all guns from this BP do high dmg and little recoil

well the AR and LMG that is

[clever marlin]

Makes sense

[arctic grove]

urban map wen?

[remote kiln]

rao is legion

[proud gorge]

in season 6

[arctic grove]

is that when breakthru 128 is a thing again?

metro

[proud gorge]

nah 128 comes in Season 12

[arctic grove]

metro was fun at this point

[clever marlin]

Also I was doing some testing

[proud gorge]

Source :Trust me bro

[arctic grove]

128 player metro

[proud gorge]

[clever marlin]

I think breakpoint has a funny little clientside issue

I played conquest on both spearhead and breakpoint

And my game after 2 matches of spearhead didn’t crash

I couldn’t make it through one on 128p breakpoint

[proud gorge]

just add some of the BF2/3 maps to MP or make it a permanent gamemode

was fun to play them (i know Portal but eh)

[eager spire]

it seems like this is presenting slide cancelling as more of an accessibility problem than an exploit problem. Feel like this would've been more easily fixed while maintaining the mechanic and the skill gap it added by having the option to rebind controller buttons in-game. That existed for KBM.

[pine roost]

Wait controllers can’t already?

[eager spire]

I donno if they could in MW19.

And looking at the replies it seems like they couldn't.

[pine roost]

If not that’s mad

[eager spire]

because there were people asking for that feature.

[pine roost]

It’s 2023, keybind remapping is essential

And basic

[eager spire]

maybe it was less essential in 2019. for some reason.

[idle lion]

[pine roost]

I know some old games I played on my 360 had different presets

[eager spire]

I know MW19 had different presets for controllers but i don't think they allowed you to remap controller buttons manually

[pine roost]

But I always assumed you could manually change them. Are there other games that don’t allow remapping?

[eager spire]

Most FPS games on console

[pine roost]

Oh really

[eager spire]

genuinely just controller presets for all of it

[pine roost]

That’s a surprise

Just, why?

[eager spire]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pine roost]

I can’t tell why when keyboard has that option readily available, and a controller is the same thing just with some analogue sticks and triggers

[eager spire]

I donno.

[limpid pond]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[eager spire]

But like I said, from that perspective, the issue was still solvable, while still retaining the skill gap that slide cancelling added to the game. It didn't need to be removed.

It shouldn't have been.

[pine roost]

What inputs where actually needed for slide cancelling

[eager spire]

I believe it's sliding and then hitting slide again mid-slide? correct me if i'm wrong.

[pine roost]

Eh

Hitting the same button is too difficult

I have a feeling that might not be right

You can’t say it’s too hard when it’s just pressing the same button again

[eager spire]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WvHcV9SPD78

Tac sprint, slide, slide again, and then jump. I'm not sure if jumping is strictly necessary, though, i've seen people slide cancel without jumping.

[pine roost]

So where are the jump and slide buttons on a controller

[copper fulcrum]

Why does he look afraid to speak in that thumbnail

[copper fulcrum]

The two presets people use are either A and B or A and Right Stick

[eager spire]

I don't know, I picked the first video i could find that was actually a tutorial and not "HOW TO SLIDE CANCEL IN MW2"

[copper fulcrum]

or X and O or X and R3

[pine roost]

I don’t know where those are exactly

[drowsy shuttle]

I also did slide cancel in cod... i slided to mw2 in season 1, then i cancel that shit out of there in season 2.

[copper fulcrum]

R3 is the thumbstick

[pine roost]

Why is it r3 when there are 2 sticks

[copper fulcrum]

X being Jump usually, unless you're using something like Bumper Jumper

[eager spire]

The triggers are R1 and R2

[copper fulcrum]

You got the wrong stick, unless you mean for sprinting

If you're using Left Stick to slide, you're a menace to society

[pine roost]

I honestly have no clue

[eager spire]

I thought you clicked the left stick for sliding mid-sprint. I may be stupid though because i don't use a controller.

[copper fulcrum]

Sliding is the crouch button

[eager spire]

Okay so i guess i am wrong, sliding is the other stick. you press down on that.

[copper fulcrum]

or well "Change Stance" because the controller only has so many buttons

[pine roost]

Well if your finger is always on the stick used to aim, pressing that twice then jumping doesn’t sound like it needs any complicated tools

[eager spire]

no, it doesn't.

[pine roost]

Tbf slide cancelling is such a simple movement tech, removing it is just kind of petty

[eager spire]

it is and that's the entire issue

it was likely removed purely to be petty.

[pine roost]

You don’t move with any considerable speed, the hitbox only ducks down slightly and it lasts less than half a second it feels

[eager spire]

You could also use slide cancelling to bhop in MW19, which a lot of people did.

Guess what they also removed in MW22

[pine roost]

Bhopping yay

[eager spire]

yup

except it was possible in the beta but people complained so they removed it

[pine roost]

And guess what 2042 added

Bhopping (with ads this time)

[eager spire]

I don't think you even really slide cancel in 2042, do you?

[pine roost]

You don’t need to. Traversal sprint is infinite and you can shoot while sliding

That negates the need to

And you can jump anyway to use that speed to enter a jump of course, effectively doing the same thing

[drowsy shuttle]

Flashpoint 64p conquest feels empty af.. who had that idea?

[eager spire]

So basically 2042's movement and what you can do while moving is better than MW2019

that's depressing

[pine roost]

It took what mw2019 did and actually made it better. With a tiny bit of apex in the mix

That’s one of the things I like about the game, the movement

[eager spire]

it's a shame they did that in this game.

in a better game this movement would be great.

[pine roost]

Yeah. That spec of hope is overshadowed by… everything else

[eager spire]

yeah

[pine roost]

And who knows if they will return to this system in the next one

I pray it doesn’t do an mw2

[eager spire]

if it does that'll be very annoying

[pine roost]

I think that would be my breaking point where I will simply be forced to not play it

[coral veldt]

I hate the movement tbh

[pine roost]

I’ll get quake (something other than champions) and grind that instead

[coral veldt]

Everyone just slides and hops around

[eager spire]

that's fun tho

sliding and hopping is fun.

[pine roost]

That’s what makes it fun

If you don’t have any form of movement there’s no way to avoid fire in open spaces, counter corner campers and you’d simply have a worse time

[coral veldt]

Don't run out in the open?

[pine roost]

There’d be no reason to play if there isn’t a system that acts as something you can mechanically train

[coral veldt]

Use the equipment to reveal enemies

[eager spire]

"don't run out in the open" kind of hard to do that when most of the maps are "The Open"

to be honest

[pine roost]

Sometimes it’s unavoidable. But as a backup plan it’s beneficial

[coral veldt]

Progression and content?

[pine roost]

Finishing progression is where the game starts. Not where it ends

[coral veldt]

Lmao yes shid is open af

[shell ermine]

BFV Movement + Gunplay > 2042, MW19, VG, MW2022

[coral veldt]

Progression ie able to unlock things u didn't have like the vault weapon challenges

[eager spire]

learning how to utilize advanced movement mechanics effectively is part of progression, lacking that, there's nothing to keep more dedicated players interested.

[copper fulcrum]

What's the point of listing Vanguard when no one likes it anyways?

[pine roost]

There’s content progression, and self progression. I’d split them both into two separate categories

[eager spire]

BFV gunplay is bad cause spread to recoil conversion exists. if it didn't there'd be an argument to be made there

[coral veldt]

Ok but I'm saying the advanced movement isn't really a learning curve tho you can kinda just run jump and slide with zero penalty that doesn't take skill or mechanics ur literally just moving as the game intended

[final plume]

All of the newly added guns are 10/10.

[eager spire]

okay but being able to do that stuff effectively takes skill.

[copper fulcrum]

Can we just call it Random Recoil instead of "Spread to Recoil Conversion?"

[eager spire]

anyone can do it, but it takes effort to utilize those abilities well

[eager spire]

i mean it is that

[coral veldt]

Anyone can do it effectively just press the buttons

[eager spire]

That's not what i mean when i say doing it effectively

[copper fulcrum]

Which is why I'm saying Why not just call it Random Recoil lol

[shell ermine]

The recoil in BFV only applies if you are trying to run and gun with an automatic weapon, so it's not an issue for players who play properly

[eager spire]

I mean effectively utilizing those abilities in game to do well.

[coral veldt]

Right

[eager spire]

yes because clearly using a fully automatic weapon in BFV is just not playing the game properly and you deserve to be punished for that by having recoil that you can't possibly control. Wack.

just shut up, please. stop talking.

[pine roost]

I’ll admit the depth in this game is very lacklustre, seeing as there aren’t that many combinations of inputs that lead to different results, but there’s just enough to provide a learning curve in how you use those movements in different scenarios to your benefit

[shell ermine]

Use a semi auto, use a bipod, or get in close. Don't try to fight people out in the open with automatics at medium to long ranges

[copper fulcrum]

"Use a bipod" ah yes

[pine roost]

A mix of this system with bf4’s air strafe would add that extra complexity and depth

[copper fulcrum]

be completely stationary when firing targets

[radiant prism]

To be fair

[eager spire]

I think if you can control recoil, you should be able to be effective, you shouldn't be arbitrarily punished for shit like daring to use an SMG outside of 10-20 meters.

[radiant prism]

Saying BFVs recoil was impossible to control is just wrong

[copper fulcrum]

We're not saying that

[radiant prism]

Most of BFV's guns had like no recoil

[pine roost]

Random recoil is too vague a statement that encompasses a fair few types of recoil, it’s best to separate them this way

[radiant prism]

Lycan is

[coral veldt]

But honestly how do they do it? How much does Boris weigh with the turret? Should he be able to move that fast?

[copper fulcrum]

We're saying that the recoil ends up being random

[eager spire]

The spread to recoil conversion is by definition not controllable, because it's random.

[stiff pollen]

BFV’s recoil got worse at the higher FOV due to untethered guns

[shell ermine]

In a WW2 game you should be

[eager spire]

I am not going to argue about that.

[eager spire]

Shut up.

[copper fulcrum]

The Era shouldn't matter how the guns are controllable lol

[radiant prism]

yeah lol

[stiff pollen]

Because the guns in BFV were untethered to the crosshair the guns recoil was random and heightened at higher FOV’s

[shell ermine]

Otherwise the only way to make the most widely used weapons of the war viable is to make them like 2 hit kills

[coral veldt]

Weak arms probably

[radiant prism]

On paper yes. In practice it plays out differently

[copper fulcrum]

Why did 2142 have bigger spread compared to WWII guns? 🤔

[stiff pollen]

Different game design philosophy

[copper fulcrum]

Yeah that's what I'm saying lol

[coral veldt]

Everything is bigger in the future

[shell ermine]

Thank god DICE didn't fuck up BFV like they did BF1 where barely used automatic weapons dominated

[eager spire]

I mean it's just how things work, if things are random, you can't control them because controlling them requires knowing about them prior to them happening, and you can't do that if recoil is random because you're not given any indication of what the random recoil is gonna be like till it happens

[copper fulcrum]

Type 2a

[stiff pollen]

If you go into these games thinking that “oh this is this way because yada yada” no it’s almost always just their design philosophy

[copper fulcrum]

Welgun

M2 Carbine

That one LMG I forgot the name of

[eager spire]

yeah but according to SG here, by his logic, guns in 2142 should be absolutely accurate because he's saying that WW2 guns should not be accurate.

[pine roost]

FG?

[stiff pollen]

2142 is like 18 years old

It’s older than some people in this chat

[copper fulcrum]

FG42 is not an LMG, or at least shouldn't be classed as one

[eager spire]

but in terms of time period, it's way in the future compared to BFV

[coral veldt]

Lmao how did they hit anything in the civil war then?

[copper fulcrum]

They didn't

[stiff pollen]

Volley fire

[copper fulcrum]

They literally had lines of people standing still and firing muskets

and still missed

[pine roost]

Accuracy by volume

[eager spire]

there were just a lot of people shooting guns at once

[shell ermine]

Maybe untwist your panties and stop taking this personally, the choice to have recoil the way it is in BFV was a choice made to make balancing semiautomatic weapons and automatic weapons more equitable

[coral veldt]

Well folks just make firing lines in 2042 simpl fix

[rocky bear]

Extended mag nerf is gonna be you have to load every bullet into the mag individually

[copper fulcrum]

Hey I like that kind of animation

[stiff pollen]

The choice was a direct response to people disliking the randomized spread on BF1

[rocky bear]

It would look cool as hell I do not disagree

[copper fulcrum]

Of course not in an actual game lol

Maybe in like a menu

[stiff pollen]

Which is typical for dice because they always do knee jerk reactions

[eager spire]

I am not taking this personally i am simply saying that you're incorrect and i have sufficiently presented my case as to why i think that happens and also i think you just need to stop talking.

[rocky bear]

the specialist is reloading the mags before battle

That would be sick

[shell ermine]

Exactly. The way BF1 was balanced skewed heavily in favor of automatic weapons, despite being a WW1 game.

[rocky bear]

RDR2 campfire

[stiff pollen]

Mfw a casual af game that managed to pull cod players was biased towards auto weapons

[rocky bear]

with the split points

[copper fulcrum]

Suppression also helped the Automatic Weapon balance

[shell ermine]

God BF1 was awful

[copper fulcrum]

It was

[rocky bear]

I miss suppression

[eager spire]

except for the horrendous amounts of visual recoil relegating SMG's to basically being hipfire most of the time and sweet spot bolt actions existing

Fuck suppression

suppression was an ass mechanic.

[shell ermine]

The moderated version in BFV I miss

[rocky bear]

But my aim is ass so how else do I get points

[pine roost]

Recoil control in bfV is reactionary over pre-emptive. Although it isn’t too bad it’s annoying when suddenly your gun feels completely different in one spray due to random chance. I’d prefer to have some sort of consistency

[copper fulcrum]

Good reason why a good portion of Venice Unleashed servers have no suppression lol

[shell ermine]

Also attrition, particularly vehicle attrition

[rocky bear]

I only ever played V

[eager spire]

"boy i love not being able to hit anything because someone shot near me, i'm so immersed right now" -Nobody, ever

[rocky bear]

So I don't know

[stiff pollen]

You ever think dice purposefully made autos better than semis even though it’s a WW1 game because they knew people would be bored af if the game was actually realistic for the time period.

[rocky bear]

What I really miss is fortifications

[pine roost]

Probably yeah

[copper fulcrum]

Only the "MUH HISTORICAL ACCURACY" dudes use Bolt Action iron sights

[shell ermine]

Maybe, but then they must've realized how dumb that was and fixed it for BFV

[eager spire]

except they didn't really make them much better, unless you wanna count hipfire with trench variants. visual recoil alone limited the effectiveness of fully automatic weapons with the exception of LMG's.

[pine roost]

The majority of players can’t consistently hit single shot guns, autos would have made it more fun for most players

[rocky bear]

I should rephrase, I just miss the points from it

Less the mechanic itself

[pine roost]

I guess points would be harmless

[eager spire]

i mean of course you'd like being rewarded for not hitting anything

[rocky bear]

Of course

[eager spire]

but i don't appreciate being punished for you not being able to hit anything.

[rocky bear]

how else do I get on the leaderboard

[pine roost]

The mechanic itself, nah. Get that outta here for good

[rocky bear]

yea

[pine roost]

Revives, heals, resupplies, assists

[copper fulcrum]

I think suppression spotting as the machine gunner was an okay addition

[shell ermine]

I almost exclusively used the M1 Garand with ironsights in BFV

[copper fulcrum]

Since it was just a trait for one class

[rocky bear]

I mean I don't think it's unreasonable to get points for keeping someone pinned to cover

[eager spire]

I don't think it's reasonable to prevent me from hitting someone if they're shooting near me but can't actually hit me.

[rocky bear]

I agree

[radiant prism]

Suppression is dumb

[stiff pollen]

Suppression isn’t fun as a mechanic. Sure it’s realistic but in a game the main goal is fun

[radiant prism]

Except in BFV's case, it was a good way to do it

[stiff pollen]

If it’s not fun, what’s the point

[eager spire]

i donno. i'd ask MW22 the same thing.

[stiff pollen]

There’s a reason it was slowly toned down and then eventually removed

[copper fulcrum]

"If it's not fun, why bother?" - Reggie "My Body is Ready" Fils Aime

[stiff pollen]

[eager spire]

I feel like more games should just take that motto

and stop adding things that aren't fun

[copper fulcrum]

like Extraction Based Battle Royales

[stiff pollen]

“If the DLC character isn’t overpowered, then what’s the point?” - Sakurai when designing Steve

[copper fulcrum]

Sora

[coral veldt]

Suppression is good imo

As a non sniper player

[eager spire]

I don't agree with that sentiment and i've already explained why

[coral veldt]

K

[crude wave]

Lol anyone remember hardlines draw fire mechanic

[eager spire]

Nope.

[coral veldt]

Lol hardline

[copper fulcrum]

No one remembers most of Hardline

[stiff pollen]

Suppression players being rewarded for missing a shot and wasting 400 rounds on a dude on a rock 200 meters away: +10 suppression assist

[coral veldt]

5 people played that

[eager spire]

I played Hardline but i don't remember that.

[crude wave]

The one with the ballistic shield

[eager spire]

I never used the ballistic shield cause i'm not a BITCH

[crude wave]

Bro hardline deserves more recognition

[stiff pollen]

You mean the same mechanic dozer has rn

[copper fulcrum]

There's probably one server of Hardline right now and it's just two people teabagging and not firing since they're on the same team

[coral veldt]

Can't waste ammo with an ammo box

[radiant prism]

Dozer my beloved

[coral veldt]

Let dozer use the shd launcher behind the shield....

[crude wave]

HEY I ONLY USE IT IN SWEATY ROUNDS I NORMALLY USE AMMO CRATE AND LAUNCHER

[stiff pollen]

Let dozer drop a nuke

[eager spire]

god that is annoying just reading that, please stop

[crude wave]

bro dozer and Zain ruin rush/breakthrough

[coral veldt]

Ballistic shield that has protection rng is what it feels like rn

[crude wave]

Remove them

[radiant prism]

Its not RNG

[eager spire]

Surprisingly there is a single Hardline server in NA that's alive.